Mr. Eagles, that's mostly good, except I bet Darth Vader would be a more popular leader than Juncker by a mile.
If you leave out the throttlings, I'm sure he was an effective man manager. A wiz with spreadsheets too, I'd bet.
That said, the emperor was far more impressive - he manipulated into being a galactic civil war such that no matter which side won, he would be in charge and with more power, then ruled with an impressive degree of control for 20 years. It was a good run, brought down by a blindspot toward teddy bears.
Darth Vader was the greatest project manager of all time, don't even argue.
Mr. Eagles, that's mostly good, except I bet Darth Vader would be a more popular leader than Juncker by a mile.
If you leave out the throttlings, I'm sure he was an effective man manager. A wiz with spreadsheets too, I'd bet.
That said, the emperor was far more impressive - he manipulated into being a galactic civil war such that no matter which side won, he would be in charge and with more power, then ruled with an impressive degree of control for 20 years. It was a good run, brought down by a blindspot toward teddy bears.
Darth Vader was the greatest project manager of all time, don't even argue.
Mr. D, bah, Palpatine was a figurehead, Vader's the chap who actually got his hands dirty.
Mr. T, when Yorkshire was flooded in 2007 a chap got trapped. Foot in a drain or something. He didn't drown, he died from exposure (rescuers provided a snorkel, effectively, so he could breathe, but they couldn't free him and he was surrounded by water for hours).
Na, he was controlling Vader, right until the moment he wasn't
If Turkey join the EU tomorrow or next week, that's going to annoy a few voters.
And you think that neither Greece nor Cyprus would veto?
Really?
I mean, even if Turkey was willing to change to join the EU (which they're not), it is genuinely inconceivable that it would not be vetoed in Nicosia.
According to the editor of the Cyprus Mail "it would literal suicide for any Cypriot politician to accept Turkey in the EU". He wasn't talking about political suicide, he meant that a politician who accepted Turkey - which invaded Cyprus in living memory, and which has thousand of troops garrisoned there and which has never given any compensation to those who lost property (or worse) - would be killed.
Yes, that's bollocks. Turkey isn't going to join for 10 years at least.
LEAVE lied about that.
But Cameron lied about his attitude to Turkish membership, and he lied about "Year 3000".
And, more importantly, Turkey is very close to getting visa-free EU travel, the same Turkey which consorts with ISIS and various other jihadists in the ME, and shares a notably porous border with the Caliphate.
Visa free access to Schengen, not the EU. There's no such thing as an EU visa.
Mr. Eagles, that's mostly good, except I bet Darth Vader would be a more popular leader than Juncker by a mile.
If you leave out the throttlings, I'm sure he was an effective man manager. A wiz with spreadsheets too, I'd bet.
That said, the emperor was far more impressive - he manipulated into being a galactic civil war such that no matter which side won, he would be in charge and with more power, then ruled with an impressive degree of control for 20 years. It was a good run, brought down by a blindspot toward teddy bears.
Darth Vader was the greatest project manager of all time, don't even argue.
(Snip)
He's caused less damage than some project managers I know ...
I'm officially calling this referendum for Remain or Leave, no one else is going to win
You can't rule out the exact dead heat
If it's a dead heat, Remain wins.
If it's a dead heat they'll call for a recount.
I read elsewhere that there's no legal basis for a national recount
There are counting agents for both sides.
Surely they could ask for a recount. But there might be a time limit and only the last counting district would know it is a draw - Western Isles?
As I understand it the normal rules providing for local recounts don't apply. So it doesn't matter how close the result might be in Council X, the results are sent off to be added to the national count.
Surely there would be no point in having local counting agents if they could not request a recount?
Of course only the last district to count would have the chance to know national result would be a draw or close.
Local counting agents are there to oversee the counting process, confirm that there is no observable fraud, watch the counting of the votes and ensure that this is done correctly/challenge the counters on any observed errors, and identify any potentially doubtful votes for adjudication by the RO in consultation with the campaign agents. There isn't any provision for a recount AIUI.
Mr. Eagles, that's mostly good, except I bet Darth Vader would be a more popular leader than Juncker by a mile.
If you leave out the throttlings, I'm sure he was an effective man manager. A wiz with spreadsheets too, I'd bet.
That said, the emperor was far more impressive - he manipulated into being a galactic civil war such that no matter which side won, he would be in charge and with more power, then ruled with an impressive degree of control for 20 years. It was a good run, brought down by a blindspot toward teddy bears.
IMHO, for Leave to win, it has to be government policy. Having the governmental machine, together the popular press behind one argument is a very formidable combination.
I used to think that, but this referendum looks to be close enough to indicate that Leave could easily have won it (assuming that they haven't, of course), if only they'd been more serious about the economy.
They've probably thrown away the best chance in a generation, because of that error.
I think that any economic proposals put forward by Leave can easily be dismissed as unworkable by the Treasury. And a government can call in favours from other heads of government, all making the case that the economic proposals are completely unworkable. In my view, therefore, Leave had to fight with the best weapon it had - in this case public concern over large-scale immigration.
I disagree with that. By focusing on immigration Leave played to people who were in the main voting that way to start with. Families with mortgages and children needed reassurance about the future and that was notable by its absence. A big mistake.
If Turkey join the EU tomorrow or next week, that's going to annoy a few voters.
And you think that neither Greece nor Cyprus would veto?
Really?
I mean, even if Turkey was willing to change to join the EU (which they're not), it is genuinely inconceivable that it would not be vetoed in Nicosia.
According to the editor of the Cyprus Mail "it would literal suicide for any Cypriot politician to accept Turkey in the EU". He wasn't talking about political suicide, he meant that a politician who accepted Turkey - which invaded Cyprus in living memory, and which has thousand of troops garrisoned there and which has never given any compensation to those who lost property (or worse) - would be killed.
Yes, that's bollocks. Turkey isn't going to join for 10 years at least.
LEAVE lied about that.
But Cameron lied about his attitude to Turkish membership, and he lied about "Year 3000".
And, more importantly, Turkey is very close to getting visa-free EU travel, the same Turkey which consorts with ISIS and various other jihadists in the ME, and shares a notably porous border with the Caliphate.
Visa free access to Schengen, not the EU. There's no such thing as an EU visa.
Don't tempt them. Probably best you the moderators delete this comment incase the eurocrats see it and get the idea themselves.
I'm sure there must be a more unpleasant Sci-Fi villain than Vader. How about Donald Pleasance in the Fantastic Voyage? Or anyone that appeared in Weird Science other than Kelly LeBrock?
I can't actually imagine anyone much at all likes Juncker in the UK.
One of the highlights of the campaign for me has been the outstanding reporting of John Harris. Surprising perhaps for a thatcherite tory to be praising a Guardian journalist, but his writing has been excellent, and provides much food for thought for leaver and remainer alike. Remainers particularly.
Only because he was able to call on the authority of his boss.
Human Resources on the Death Star was a nightmare. The complaints, the bullying. The serious breaches of workers rights. Health and safety.
There was even a lengthy and expensive court case on whether using the Force to kill that admiral was technically murder. Vader simply claimed he never touched the guy.
I'm sure there must be a more unpleasant Sci-Fi villain than Vader. How about Donald Pleasance in the Fantastic Voyage? Or anyone that appeared in Weird Science other than Kelly LeBrock?
I can't actually imagine anyone much at all likes Juncker in the UK.
Only because he was able to call on the authority of his boss.
Human Resources on the Death Star was a nightmare. The complaints, the bullying. The serious breaches of workers rights. Health and safety.
There was even a lengthy and expensive court case on whether using the Force to kill that admiral was technically murder. Vader simply claimed he never touched the guy.
Health and Safety would have put some chicken wire over that vent opening, if they hadn't been dicking around...
Thanks everyone. I blame my lack of knowledge on the fact that Mrs J claims Dr Who is not real sci fi.
So in these quiet hours before the polls close. If: *) Cameron is Han Solo (always wins, but you wonder whose side he is on), *) May is Princess Leia (good administrator with a steel backbone) and *) Boris is Jar Jar Binks (joke character that should no be taken seriously who somehow gets power),
Never have I regarded politicians so low before in my life. Absolute vermin.
If it is a Remain vote then that's the last time I vote I think. I always believed that you should keep politicians/councils/governments accountable and on their toes, but what is the use when it is all going to be handed over to Brussels? Care about immigration - powerless to do anything about it. Care about taxation - increasingly powerless to do anything about it. Care about fisheries, agriculture, trade, defence - all going to Brussels.
I'll join the rest of the population who don't vote. EU membership has utterly carved out democracy and the only way to get it back will be via an extreme party a la Le Penn or Wilders and that's who i'll turn to. Call me a racist? nasty? you've already called us all that so who cares.
Thanks everyone. I blame my lack of knowledge on the fact that Mrs J claims Dr Who is not real sci fi.
So in these quiet hours before the polls close. If: *) Cameron is Han Solo (always wins, but you wonder whose side he is on), *) May is Princess Leia (good administrator with a steel backbone) and *) Boris is Jar Jar Binks (joke character that should no be taken seriously who somehow gets power),
I'm sure there must be a more unpleasant Sci-Fi villain than Vader. How about Donald Pleasance in the Fantastic Voyage? Or anyone that appeared in Weird Science other than Kelly LeBrock?
I can't actually imagine anyone much at all likes Juncker in the UK.
Balls. I think the Labour North West heartlands have come out in sufficient numbers to win this for Leave.
Based on one phone call just now
Well, **anecdote alert** from the North West.
Just overheard this on my way home from a quite elderly man with an England flag in his window: "if we go, the Tories will be making us work 60 bloody hours a week, and then they'll be going after the minimum wage"
Thanks everyone. I blame my lack of knowledge on the fact that Mrs J claims Dr Who is not real sci fi.
So in these quiet hours before the polls close. If: *) Cameron is Han Solo (always wins, but you wonder whose side he is on), *) May is Princess Leia (good administrator with a steel backbone) and *) Boris is Jar Jar Binks (joke character that should no be taken seriously who somehow gets power),
then who is Farage?
Surely, Farage is Jar Jar Binks - the most annoyingly punchable character in the whole damned saga?
Balls. I think the Labour North West heartlands have come out in sufficient numbers to win this for Leave.
Based on one phone call just now
This is going to sound SOoooooooooooooooooo cliche and all but I think DEMOCRACY is the real winner today.
It will be if whoever wins really takes to heart how important the opponents issues have been to nearly half the populace. So the EU has to really work hard at fixing itself, or equally an Independent Britain really has to make sure that it is an outgoing and embracing member of the world community. (You can choose these things, but the point is that lessons are there for the winner)
Balls. I think the Labour North West heartlands have come out in sufficient numbers to win this for Leave.
Based on one phone call just now
Well, **anecdote alert** from the North West.
Just overheard this on my way home from a quite elderly man with an England flag in his window: "if we go, the Tories will be making us work 60 bloody hours a week, and then they'll be going after the minimum wage"
Make of it what you will.
Despite being the ones introducing the living wage. Interesting.
Thanks everyone. I blame my lack of knowledge on the fact that Mrs J claims Dr Who is not real sci fi.
So in these quiet hours before the polls close. If: *) Cameron is Han Solo (always wins, but you wonder whose side he is on), *) May is Princess Leia (good administrator with a steel backbone) and *) Boris is Jar Jar Binks (joke character that should no be taken seriously who somehow gets power),
then who is Farage?
Surely, Farage is Jar Jar Binks - the most annoyingly punchable character in the whole damned saga?
"I was just on the phone to the volunteers in your area, and it’s looking like we could pull this off! Your neighbourhood is voting to Leave in far higher numbers than we ever dreamed of. People are voting who have never voted before, feeling proud about how they voted to Leave. I haven’t heard anything like it in my fourteen years of campaigning. But it will be close nationwide."
Would be better if no one had ever heard of mass e-mailshots.
Only because he was able to call on the authority of his boss.
Human Resources on the Death Star was a nightmare. The complaints, the bullying. The serious breaches of workers rights. Health and safety.
There was even a lengthy and expensive court case on whether using the Force to kill that admiral was technically murder. Vader simply claimed he never touched the guy.
Health and Safety would have put some chicken wire over that vent opening, if they hadn't been dicking around...
You do wonder how active the Unions were in the workplace and if 'leave's' vote disappoints then will it be it's the unions 'what won it'
If you read John Harris's piece, he claims that very few of the working people he interviewed claimed they were influenced by any political organisation. They were making up their own minds based on personal experience.
Balls. I think the Labour North West heartlands have come out in sufficient numbers to win this for Leave.
Based on one phone call just now
A big turnout in Merseyside and Greater Manchester will probably help Remain. Elsewhere in the North West, I'd agree it would help Leave.
Not sure that Merseyside will be all that wonderful for Remain.
Fair enough, not wonderful, but probably more pro-Remain than England as a whole.
It's very anti-establishment but usually that is towards Westminster. Someone reckoned Glasgow could be 72% Remain. Scotland of course and more inner city but the two places have things in common.
Turnout described as steady when I cast my friend's proxy vote for them in Oakmere Ward Potters Bar about 30 minutes ago. Will let you know about Parkfield ward when I cat my own vote before retreating to the pub.
You do wonder how active the Unions were in the workplace and if 'leave's' vote disappoints then will it be it's the unions 'what won it'
If you read John Harris's piece, he claims that very few of the working people he interviewed claimed they were influenced by any political organisation. They were making up their own minds based on personal experience.
None of the Trade Unions seem active in our hospital for either side. Chat to my clinic coordinator earlier. She reckons the office splits 60/40 for Remain.
Rather than picking lows of the campaign...there has been way too many...much harder picking the highs.
Self-congratulatory maybe but the highlight of the campaign for me is this site. A forum of highly intelligent people expressing different views. How can I not be engaged by it all? I have spent far too much time here.
You do wonder how active the Unions were in the workplace and if 'leave's' vote disappoints then will it be it's the unions 'what won it'
You put your left vote In, Your right vote Out, In Out, In Out, You shake it all about, You do the hokey cokey and you turn around, That's what its all about!
Adlestrop is clearly the centre of Britain - l'Angleterre profonde, as Edward Thomas knew, when he wrote this poem. A poem which seems somehow fitting today
Adlestrop
BY EDWARD THOMAS
Yes. I remember Adlestrop— The name, because one afternoon Of heat the express-train drew up there Unwontedly. It was late June.
The steam hissed. Someone cleared his throat. No one left and no one came On the bare platform. What I saw Was Adlestrop—only the name
And willows, willow-herb, and grass, And meadowsweet, and haycocks dry, No whit less still and lonely fair Than the high cloudlets in the sky.
And for that minute a blackbird sang Close by, and round him, mistier, Farther and farther, all the birds Of Oxfordshire and Gloucestershire.
Furthest point from the sea is Coton-in-the-Elms, Derbyshire.
In addition, I believe the narrowest point between west and east coasts in Scotland is just twenty miles; from memory between Bonar Bridge and an estuary on the west coast. Although the 'net says it is the Clyde-Forth gap at 25 miles.
If I had access to the correct 'puter I'd measure it ...
Adlestrop is clearly the centre of Britain - l'Angleterre profonde, as Edward Thomas knew, when he wrote this poem. A poem which seems somehow fitting today
Adlestrop
BY EDWARD THOMAS
Yes. I remember Adlestrop— The name, because one afternoon Of heat the express-train drew up there Unwontedly. It was late June.
The steam hissed. Someone cleared his throat. No one left and no one came On the bare platform. What I saw Was Adlestrop—only the name
And willows, willow-herb, and grass, And meadowsweet, and haycocks dry, No whit less still and lonely fair Than the high cloudlets in the sky.
And for that minute a blackbird sang Close by, and round him, mistier, Farther and farther, all the birds Of Oxfordshire and Gloucestershire.
Furthest point from the sea is Coton-in-the-Elms, Derbyshire.
In addition, I believe the narrowest point between west and east coasts in Scotland is just twenty miles; from memory between Bonar Bridge and an estuary on the west coast. Although the 'net says it is the Clyde-Forth gap at 25 miles.
If I had access to the correct 'puter I'd measure it ...
Is the correct 'puter an Apple ?
No, because it doesn't run the mapping software I use.
Which, despite having been written in about 1997, runs perfectly well on modern Windows PCs.
Thanks everyone. I blame my lack of knowledge on the fact that Mrs J claims Dr Who is not real sci fi.
So in these quiet hours before the polls close. If: *) Cameron is Han Solo (always wins, but you wonder whose side he is on), *) May is Princess Leia (good administrator with a steel backbone) and *) Boris is Jar Jar Binks (joke character that should no be taken seriously who somehow gets power),
then who is Farage?
Surely, Farage is Jar Jar Binks - the most annoyingly punchable character in the whole damned saga?
For me, that is Boris.
Then again, I wasn't a fan of his before his volte-face.
Turnout described as steady when I cast my friend's proxy vote for them in Oakmere Ward Potters Bar about 30 minutes ago. Will let you know about Parkfield ward when I cat my own vote before retreating to the pub.
I voted at St Marys Church Hall on The Walk about an hour ago - seem to recall that's also your polling station.
All 10 names either side of mine on the sheet were marked as having voted. Polling staff said turnout steady but looking at the sheet as a whole it looked as if at least 50% had already voted.
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oh hang on, not the smash 80s classic from KLF
Peter Mandelson is the Master, clearly.
Farage as Colin Baker
I can't actually imagine anyone much at all likes Juncker in the UK.
He is the anti-Polly.
As to whether she is safe....
Human Resources on the Death Star was a nightmare. The complaints, the bullying. The serious breaches of workers rights. Health and safety.
There was even a lengthy and expensive court case on whether using the Force to kill that admiral was technically murder. Vader simply claimed he never touched the guy.
Middlesborough ?
Based on one phone call just now
I think remain or at least TSE are losing their focus.
Class Wars: The Hope Awakens.
EDIT overtaken by the edit!
So in these quiet hours before the polls close. If:
*) Cameron is Han Solo (always wins, but you wonder whose side he is on),
*) May is Princess Leia (good administrator with a steel backbone) and
*) Boris is Jar Jar Binks (joke character that should no be taken seriously who somehow gets power),
then who is Farage?
If it is a Remain vote then that's the last time I vote I think. I always believed that you should keep politicians/councils/governments accountable and on their toes, but what is the use when it is all going to be handed over to Brussels? Care about immigration - powerless to do anything about it. Care about taxation - increasingly powerless to do anything about it. Care about fisheries, agriculture, trade, defence - all going to Brussels.
I'll join the rest of the population who don't vote. EU membership has utterly carved out democracy and the only way to get it back will be via an extreme party a la Le Penn or Wilders and that's who i'll turn to. Call me a racist? nasty? you've already called us all that so who cares.
Just overheard this on my way home from a quite elderly man with an England flag in his window: "if we go, the Tories will be making us work 60 bloody hours a week, and then they'll be going after the minimum wage"
Make of it what you will.
The Death Star Conspiracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEPazLTGceI
https://youtu.be/9jK-NcRmVcw
http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/the-west-wing-election-night-81936
That was me moments ago.
"I was just on the phone to the volunteers in your area, and it’s looking like we could pull this off! Your neighbourhood is voting to Leave in far higher numbers than we ever dreamed of. People are voting who have never voted before, feeling proud about how they voted to Leave. I haven’t heard anything like it in my fourteen years of campaigning. But it will be close nationwide."
Would be better if no one had ever heard of mass e-mailshots.
Will let you know about Parkfield ward when I cat my own vote before retreating to the pub.
Your right vote Out,
In Out, In Out,
You shake it all about,
You do the hokey cokey and you turn around,
That's what its all about!
or the UKIP board
Which, despite having been written in about 1997, runs perfectly well on modern Windows PCs.
Don't EU want me baby, don't EU want me ooohhhhh
Then again, I wasn't a fan of his before his volte-face.
as Dave addresses the empty conference hall
All 10 names either side of mine on the sheet were marked as having voted. Polling staff said turnout steady but looking at the sheet as a whole it looked as if at least 50% had already voted.
Does this street in Beverley hold the record for the most @vote_leave signs in any street in the country? https://t.co/A1O4s1Mw3D