Astute! Those Yes voters in Scotland who thought they were robbed of a victory blamed old people for being fearful of their pensions. In any case, they are half way into their grave and their opinions shouldn't count! The fact that half of every other part of the population also voted No was neither here nor there.
Just received the expected must vote remain blurb from our CEO. Having discussed this with 10/11 other employees all except one found this unacceptable and will be voting Leave, most probably were in fairness. I wonder what difference, if any, these types of communication from the hierachy have on normal, everyday, hard working people?
I'm really not sure how effective this is.
It reminds me of pre-secret ballot when the landlord would instruct his tenants how he wanted them to vote.
Just received the expected must vote remain blurb from our CEO. Having discussed this with 10/11 other employees all except one found this unacceptable and will be voting Leave, most probably were in fairness. I wonder what difference, if any, these types of communication from the hierachy have on normal, everyday, hard working people?
That's so bloody patronising! Probably even worse, i.e. more threatening and directly targeted, than having some half-wit sports or showbiz luvvie trying to tell me how to vote.
This seems to resonate with the views of some REMAINers.
"Millionaire comic and achingly right-on Labour moderate Robert Webb has deleted this late-night tweet calling Leave voters “thick people”: Before clarifying that actually he was only calling half the Wembley audience “stupid“:" http://order-order.com/2016/06/22/luvvies-say-leavers-thick-idiots/
He could change it to - "Half of Wembley audience "Not Stupid"
The damage is done. Basing a campaign on an overtly racist premise doesn't mean everyone who supports LEAVE is a racist but it does mean they've been happy to give their support to a racist campaign.
We'll all know much more about our neigbours than we do at the moment and by the same token the rest of the world will know much more about us.
If we vote Leave can you fuck off to France please? They are much more tolerant than us I guess.
Hopefully, this is not the country we will become once Leave have won.
A couple of my EU medical and nursing colleagues are becoming rather restless, all this hostility to EU migrants is making them fairly uncomfortable. One or two are talking about going back, or to Germany if we Leave.
Just received the expected must vote remain blurb from our CEO. Having discussed this with 10/11 other employees all except one found this unacceptable and will be voting Leave, most probably were in fairness. I wonder what difference, if any, these types of communication from the hierachy have on normal, everyday, hard working people?
The senior partner at work has kept his opinions to himself for that reason-all senior staff have been asked (but not told) to keep a low profile on the matter
As we know, different people react in different ways. I am sure there are plenty of EU nationals who are not at all worried by the Leave campaign or upset by it. Others are. I was merely reporting one such case. Dr Fox was reporting another.
SO, thanks for your and Dr Fox' anecdotes. It is important for the UK as a whole to recognize and reflect on how upsetting this whole campaign has been.
However, I am optimistic that for 95% or more of the population, this rancour will subside almost immediately the vote is done and dusted, and the talk of immigration will revert to normal levels.
At an individual level, I am sure that those already here will find a post-Brexit vote pretty much as welcoming as the one that existed 4 months ago. Hopefully your partner's wife will then be comfortable, and any relocation decisions are based on what is best for the family and the business.
For all the nastiness of this campaign, on both sides, the UK is, in my experience of traveling around the world, about as pragmatic and tolerant a place as exists.
The damage is done. Basing a campaign on an overtly racist premise doesn't mean everyone who supports LEAVE is a racist but it does mean they've been happy to give their support to a racist campaign.
We'll all know much more about our neigbours than we do at the moment and by the same token the rest of the world will know much more about us.
As I said yesterday, this is about the most stupid meme in existence. If all ideas espoused by any evil or nasty person were to become untouchable by association, it would not be acceptable to hold any decent or good idea. It is a world in which, essentially, no idea is acceptable.
So, because a racist person gives money to St Jude's, we are all supposed to stop giving money to St Jude's ...
Roger, you are capable of thinking, so think.
I'm talking about THE CAMPAIGN The banner behind which ALL leavers are marching. If you you can't understand the difference between A CAMPAIGN and a few isolated people with disparate views then it's not me who has comprehension problems
Not all people with a view march under the banner. What is your comprehension problem with that?
Because Jimmy Saville runs A CAMPAIGN for Stoke Mandeville, if I give money, which I would have done totally separately from THE CAMPAIGN, I am condoning child sexual molestation?
Even you can see how stupid that position is.
PS Perhaps you are also saying that, because the Borgias were Popes, all Catholics are tarred with their crimes? And perhaps more pertinently to you personally, because you supported Labour and help elect in Tony Blair, you are responsible for the Iraq War.
A complete non sequitur. I thought you lectured on marketing. You are seriously arguing that the campaign aims are irrelevant?
Vote Nazi because they make the trains run on time is quite a different appeal than vote Nazi because they'll clear Europe of Jews.
Just received the expected must vote remain blurb from our CEO. Having discussed this with 10/11 other employees all except one found this unacceptable and will be voting Leave, most probably were in fairness. I wonder what difference, if any, these types of communication from the hierachy have on normal, everyday, hard working people?
I'm really not sure how effective this is.
It reminds me of pre-secret ballot when the landlord would instruct his tenants how he wanted them to vote.
Depends how they do it. I think its is OK as long as they stress that they are not telling employees how to vote and that all voting decisions are private ones and they keep their remarks to a factual discussion of how the outcome is likely to affect the business.
During Scotland's indyref almost all businesses decided to take a neutral stance on independence even though most owners and managers thought it would be detrimental to their businesses. They left the way clear to an outfit called Business for Scotland, effectively a front organisation for the SNP, that were able to claim to represent business in the vacuum caused by the omerta of real businesses.
Just received the expected must vote remain blurb from our CEO. Having discussed this with 10/11 other employees all except one found this unacceptable and will be voting Leave, most probably were in fairness. I wonder what difference, if any, these types of communication from the hierachy have on normal, everyday, hard working people?
There have been missives for Leave too e.g. the chairman of JCB sent a letter to employees backing Leave
Just received the expected must vote remain blurb from our CEO. Having discussed this with 10/11 other employees all except one found this unacceptable and will be voting Leave, most probably were in fairness. I wonder what difference, if any, these types of communication from the hierachy have on normal, everyday, hard working people?
There have been missives for Leave too e.g. the chairman of JCB sent a letter to employees backing Leave
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It reminds me of pre-secret ballot when the landlord would instruct his tenants how he wanted them to vote.
Probably even worse, i.e. more threatening and directly targeted, than having some half-wit sports or showbiz luvvie trying to tell me how to vote.
Lets what the boss of the BDI (German equivalent of CBI) really thinks:
Brexit bringt keinerlei Vorteile
Ein Brexit bringt weder für die britische noch für die deutsche Wirtschaft einen Vorteil.
Translation: A brexit is of no benefit whatsoever to either the British or the German economy.
He and I are both Leavers
However, I am optimistic that for 95% or more of the population, this rancour will subside almost immediately the vote is done and dusted, and the talk of immigration will revert to normal levels.
At an individual level, I am sure that those already here will find a post-Brexit vote pretty much as welcoming as the one that existed 4 months ago. Hopefully your partner's wife will then be comfortable, and any relocation decisions are based on what is best for the family and the business.
For all the nastiness of this campaign, on both sides, the UK is, in my experience of traveling around the world, about as pragmatic and tolerant a place as exists.
Vote Nazi because they make the trains run on time is quite a different appeal than vote Nazi because they'll clear Europe of Jews.
During Scotland's indyref almost all businesses decided to take a neutral stance on independence even though most owners and managers thought it would be detrimental to their businesses. They left the way clear to an outfit called Business for Scotland, effectively a front organisation for the SNP, that were able to claim to represent business in the vacuum caused by the omerta of real businesses.