Even funnier, it shows you have no idea of how factories work.
I know how the Peugeot factory at Ryton works.
Oh, wait...
Yes a function of the EU.
Close the UK plant and move it to cheap labour Slovakia. And it's all so easy because we're in the big market and no-one can protest.
Have you seen the Ryton site now? It's amazing. All warehouses.
I bought a new Peugeot in 2003 to show my support for Ryton and within months it had all closed down. Lots of Southam neighbours lost their jobs. Big Leave win there, for sure.
BMWs next most popular model is the Mini which is made in Oxford.
...for now
Even funnier, it shows you have no idea of how factories work.
ScottPaste didn't understand (or believe) the Monty Hall problem after half the forum tried to explain, and linked most of the well known explanations, I think you are optimistic about factories
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Just caught the end of the breaking news but it really is going global involving many countries around the globe. Still waiting for full details but it apparently is her birthday
There will probably be next to no coverage at all outside the UK, there was a statement from Hillary after the killing and a Canadian MP in Parliament and some coverage on the continent but few international news agencies will cover a minor rally outside their own country
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Ludicrous and entirely politically motivated to keep the tragedy in the news cycle
Of course
it's timed for the maximum referendum shroud waving on Wednesday, whereas Thursday the one week anniversary would make more sense.
Remain must be pumping this as their best chance to swing votes, but risky as it has the potential to backfire by pissing people off.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Ludicrous and entirely politically motivated to keep the tragedy in the news cycle
Of course
it's timed for the maximum referendum shroud waving on Wednesday, whereas Thursday the one week anniversary would make more sense.
Remain must be pumping this as their best chance to swing votes, but risky as it has the potential to backfire by pissing people off.
Boris to be PM by 1st Jan at 8/1 seems tasty. But I've lost enough this year so far, so unless there's an upturn with my remaining POTUS related bets I'll probably not go for it.
Correct decision ...... Boris ain't going to be PM by 01.01.16 or at any other time, he has nowhere near enough supporters amongst the Tory MPS to give him any realistic chance of winning. Btw, many thanks for the link to the earliest declaring councils as regards the referendum vote. You mentioned 2 or 3 of the contenders incl my own area, Wandsworth, but once again it seems Sunderland look virtually certain to win this race by a country mile. The big question, from a betting perspective, is what exactly can we take from their result?
If Sunderland is less than 53% for Leave then Remain will win, from demograhic profile. At least that was the verdict when discussed on here a week or two back.
Apparently a Voodo poll in the Sunderland echo has leave on 70%. I will watch those results with interest.
Though does the Sunderland counting area include some places outside the city?
No idea.
I'll be at a count I suspect, but will be watching Sunderland, Hartlepool and Newcastle with interest.
If it's heavy one way or another we will at least have a feel of the night.
I would expect Sunderland to be 6-8% more friendly to Leave than the country as a whole. If it wasn't for Nissan, I'd say 12-15% more friendly.
If it is then the WWC are going to deliver Cameron a h**l of a thumping.
I think that is inevitable, irrespective of whether its 51% to Leave or 49%.
I have no idea how it plays if England votes out and the Scots keep us in. Of course, I appreciate that Cameron will play the One Nation card, but even so. That would be ghastly.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
I have no idea how it plays if England votes out and the Scots keep us in. Of course, I appreciate that Cameron will play the One Nation card, but even so. That would be ghastly.
If Britain votes Remain by a small margin, then there will be many demographics which people can say "kept us in".
Two that spring to mind are London residents and Muslims.
Sorry, but a boat sailing down the Thames to the Houses of Parliament? A political rally in Trafalgar Square the day before the most important vote since 1975? Remain are not putting their thumb on the scales; they have tipped them over.
What a childish, emotionally incontinent nation we have become.
If Sunderland is less than 53% for Leave then Remain will win, from demograhic profile. At least that was the verdict when discussed on here a week or two back.
Apparently a Voodo poll in the Sunderland echo has leave on 70%. I will watch those results with interest.
If Sunderland is more than 60% for Leave, I think we can reasonably assume a Leave victory. (85%+ probability).
On the other hand, if it's below 50% for Leave, I'd flip it, and assume a similar likelihood for Remain.
I would point out that local papers' voodoo polls do not have a good record. I remember in the famous battle for Bedfordshire North in 1992, when the local newspaper had the Labour candidate Pat Hall on something like 50%, with the Conservatives on 35% and the Alliance Social and Liberal Democrats on about 10%. The eventual result did not look anything like that.
I agree. The only caveat is that I would say 53% plus for leave is good.
Voodoo polls are voodoo polls. For amusement only. Just thought I would mention it for the sake of amusement.
For that reason, I think 55% is the vote share where Leave should become overall (51%) favourites.
It seems PB Bettors should be sitting with their calculators at the ready awaiting that all 8important +/- 55% vote for LEAVE in Sunderland!
The truth is however that if the exit poll, presumably again on the stroke of 10.00pm, is anything like as accurate as for the 2015 GE, then unless the result is very close indeed we can all go to bed, instead of having to wait up for a further 4 - 5 hours of sometimes very boring, repetitive and partisan discussion. Btw is another all-night pub party being planned this time?
There will be no exit poll as there was not for indyref. However yougov did a post vote poll which came out at 10pm which was just 1% off for No and Yes and they will probably do the same on Thursday
One of the pollsters explai ned why there was unlikely to be an exit poll. It isn't a question of asking people for they voted and then presenting the percentages because the sample will be skewed. You compare how they voted with what happened last time and then project to a new figure. As referendums are one offs there is no historical data to refer to
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Ludicrous and entirely politically motivated to keep the tragedy in the news cycle
Of course
it's timed for the maximum referendum shroud waving on Wednesday, whereas Thursday the one week anniversary would make more sense.
Remain must be pumping this as their best chance to swing votes, but risky as it has the potential to backfire by pissing people off.
But Thursday is not her birthday, Wednesday is
Two points:
1) At your age, don't try to feign naivety.
2) Try to use punctuation properly. More people will read what you post.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Just caught the end of the breaking news but it really is going global involving many countries around the globe. Still waiting for full details but it apparently is her birthday
There will probably be next to no coverage at all outside the UK, there was a statement from Hillary after the killing and a Canadian MP in Parliament and some coverage on the continent but few international news agencies will cover a minor rally outside their own country
It is reported there will be rallies in all the participating countries at the same time and co-ordinated and networking through the broadcast media worldwide
Even funnier, it shows you have no idea of how factories work.
I know how the Peugeot factory at Ryton works.
Oh, wait...
Yes a function of the EU.
Close the UK plant and move it to cheap labour Slovakia. And it's all so easy because we're in the big market and no-one can protest.
Have you seen the Ryton site now? It's amazing. All warehouses.
I bought a new Peugeot in 2003 to show my support for Ryton and within months it had all closed down. Lots of Southam neighbours lost their jobs. Big Leave win there, for sure.
Ive avoided Ryton for about two years until they fix that darned roundabout !
It's a tragedy for the family and a sad loss to Parliament, but it's getting over the top now,
I thought Bowie was bad enough.
It's been a few days, over the weekend with no other major national news to push it off the agenda.
I cannot stand overdone or overextended displays of sadness, that's just my personal view, but it has not been that excessive, I think if anything people are getting too defensive about the supposed excess.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Dan Snow and Eddie Izzard if the 2014 rally is anything to go by
Even funnier, it shows you have no idea of how factories work.
I know how the Peugeot factory at Ryton works.
Oh, wait...
Yes a function of the EU.
Close the UK plant and move it to cheap labour Slovakia. And it's all so easy because we're in the big market and no-one can protest.
Have you seen the Ryton site now? It's amazing. All warehouses.
I bought a new Peugeot in 2003 to show my support for Ryton and within months it had all closed down. Lots of Southam neighbours lost their jobs. Big Leave win there, for sure.
Ive avoided Ryton for about two years until they fix that darned roundabout !
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Ludicrous and entirely politically motivated to keep the tragedy in the news cycle
Of course
it's timed for the maximum referendum shroud waving on Wednesday, whereas Thursday the one week anniversary would make more sense.
Remain must be pumping this as their best chance to swing votes, but risky as it has the potential to backfire by pissing people off.
I agree that this is quite likely to have the opposite effect to what Remain wants.
I have no idea how it plays if England votes out and the Scots keep us in. Of course, I appreciate that Cameron will play the One Nation card, but even so. That would be ghastly.
If Britain votes Remain by a small margin, then there will be many demographics which people can say "kept us in".
Two that spring to mind are London residents and Muslims.
And the London, multiculti Meejah...
I'm not watching Sky until Thursday at this rate. They've been acting like the Queen died for days already.
While I know I'm in a minority of one on here, I think we overestimate the fragility of the Eurozone, and underestimate the fragility of the UK.
Whether we are looking at current account, budget deficit, or private sector debt, pretty much every Eurozone country is in much better shape that 2008. We, on the other hand, are in much worse shape.
Shhhhh.
Leavers don't listen to experts
That post is anti the people you shill for Scott. Do try to pay attention.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
Sorry, but a boat sailing down the Thames to the Houses of Parliament? A political rally in Trafalgar Square the day before the most important vote since 1975? Remain are not putting their thumb on the scales; they have tipped them over.
What a childish, emotionally incontinent nation we have become.
Did you miss the Diana stuff?
I was too young to really understand what was going on. I just thought it was sad that a princess died in a car crash.
If Sunderland is less than 53% for Leave then Remain will win, from demograhic profile. At least that was the verdict when discussed on here a week or two back.
Apparently a Voodo poll in the Sunderland echo has leave on 70%. I will watch those results with interest.
If Sunderland is more than 60% for Leave, I think we can reasonably assume a Leave victory. (85%+ probability).
On the other hand, if it's below 50% for Leave, I'd flip it, and assume a similar likelihood for Remain.
I would point out that local papers' voodoo polls do not have a good record. I remember in the famous battle for Bedfordshire North in 1992, when the local newspaper had the Labour candidate Pat Hall on something like 50%, with the Conservatives on 35% and the Alliance Social and Liberal Democrats on about 10%. The eventual result did not look anything like that.
I agree. The only caveat is that I would say 53% plus for leave is good.
Voodoo polls are voodoo polls. For amusement only. Just thought I would mention it for the sake of amusement.
For that reason, I think 55% is the vote share where Leave should become overall (51%) favourites.
It seems PB Bettors should be sitting with their calculators at the ready awaiting that all 8important +/- 55% vote for LEAVE in Sunderland!
The truth is however that if the exit poll, presumably again on the stroke of 10.00pm, is anything like as accurate as for the 2015 GE, then unless the result is very close indeed we can all go to bed, instead of having to wait up for a further 4 - 5 hours of sometimes very boring, repetitive and partisan discussion. Btw is another all-night pub party being planned this time?
There will be no exit poll as there was not for indyref. However yougov did a post vote poll which came out at 10pm which was just 1% off for No and Yes and they will probably do the same on Thursday
One of the pollsters explai ned why there was unlikely to be an exit poll. It isn't a question of asking people for they voted and then presenting the percentages because the sample will be skewed. You compare how they voted with what happened last time and then project to a new figure. As referendums are one offs there is no historical data to refer to
I think that's right. The GE exit poll uses bellweather polling stations and notes the change in voting pattern from the previous election. On Thursday there is no 'previous election' and so no baseline data.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Just caught the end of the breaking news but it really is going global involving many countries around the globe. Still waiting for full details but it apparently is her birthday
There will probably be next to no coverage at all outside the UK, there was a statement from Hillary after the killing and a Canadian MP in Parliament and some coverage on the continent but few international news agencies will cover a minor rally outside their own country
It is reported there will be rallies in all the participating countries at the same time and co-ordinated and networking through the broadcast media worldwide
I have no idea how it plays if England votes out and the Scots keep us in. Of course, I appreciate that Cameron will play the One Nation card, but even so. That would be ghastly.
If Britain votes Remain by a small margin, then there will be many demographics which people can say "kept us in".
Two that spring to mind are London residents and Muslims.
I'm not so sure about the Muslim vote. Has anyone seen a poll? (Not a Pole.)
In multicultural Leicester it is my Hindu and Asian Christian colleagues who have been Leave inclined. The Muslims that I know are either Remain or voice no opinion. On the other hand they are rather preoccupied with Ramadan etc at present so all rather tired and grumpy. Long muggy days are pretty gruelling when fasting, and also the focus is on the spiritual world rather than the secular one. I would forecast a fairly low turnout from that community, though putting up Sadiq Khan for Remain in the debate may spark interest.
An Italian friend said they'd recently done an article in corriere della sera on the strange referendum phenomena of immigrants who wanted to close the door behind them.
Sorry, but a boat sailing down the Thames to the Houses of Parliament? A political rally in Trafalgar Square the day before the most important vote since 1975? Remain are not putting their thumb on the scales; they have tipped them over.
What a childish, emotionally incontinent nation we have become.
Did you miss the Diana stuff?
I was too young to really understand what was going on. I just thought it was sad that a princess died in a car crash.
We are a country of weepists and have been for 20 years.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Ludicrous and entirely politically motivated to keep the tragedy in the news cycle
Of course
it's timed for the maximum referendum shroud waving on Wednesday, whereas Thursday the one week anniversary would make more sense.
Remain must be pumping this as their best chance to swing votes, but risky as it has the potential to backfire by pissing people off.
I agree that this is quite likely to have the opposite effect to what Remain wants.
Isn't that wishful thinking? There do seem to be an awful lot feeble-minded drippy people in Britain. They are probably over-represented amongst undecided voters.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Ludicrous and entirely politically motivated to keep the tragedy in the news cycle
Of course
it's timed for the maximum referendum shroud waving on Wednesday, whereas Thursday the one week anniversary would make more sense.
Remain must be pumping this as their best chance to swing votes, but risky as it has the potential to backfire by pissing people off.
But Thursday is not her birthday, Wednesday is
Two points:
1) At your age, don't try to feign naivety.
2) Try to use punctuation properly. More people will read what you post.
One point - try to patronise less, more people will read what you post.
Actually that's a lie, the same numbers will, but that was still a pretty uppity way of telling someone they'd used punctuation incorrectly, I don't see what benefit it adds when done in that manner.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Just caught the end of the breaking news but it really is going global involving many countries around the globe. Still waiting for full details but it apparently is her birthday
There will probably be next to no coverage at all outside the UK, there was a statement from Hillary after the killing and a Canadian MP in Parliament and some coverage on the continent but few international news agencies will cover a minor rally outside their own country
It is reported there will be rallies in all the participating countries at the same time and co-ordinated and networking through the broadcast media worldwide
Oh really you think most foreign media are going to give big coverage to a rally attended by a few hundred to a thousand or two for a British backbencher most of their viewers had never heard of and in the middle of the week? Of course not. I have a lot of sympathy for Jo Cox's family but this rally will be an 'and in other news' story at best
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Ludicrous and entirely politically motivated to keep the tragedy in the news cycle
Of course
it's timed for the maximum referendum shroud waving on Wednesday, whereas Thursday the one week anniversary would make more sense.
Remain must be pumping this as their best chance to swing votes, but risky as it has the potential to backfire by pissing people off.
I agree that this is quite likely to have the opposite effect to what Remain wants.
At another level you have to ask if the family have have thought this through.There's nothing better the UK press like to do than build them up to knock them down.
Dave, Tony and Bono won't be there when the reptiles turn up and start name blackening.
If it was me I'd have kept it private which isnhow I thinkn grief should be.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Just caught the end of the breaking news but it really is going global involving many countries around the globe. Still waiting for full details but it apparently is her birthday
it's as daft as giving Obama the nobel peace prize.
Hey now, he made some really good speeches to earn that prize.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Just caught the end of the breaking news but it really is going global involving many countries around the globe. Still waiting for full details but it apparently is her birthday
There will probably be next to no coverage at all outside the UK, there was a statement from Hillary after the killing and a Canadian MP in Parliament and some coverage on the continent but few international news agencies will cover a minor rally outside their own country
I was surprised at the amount of international coverage her death got. It tied into a narrative of a referendum that had got very nasty. That might explain part of it.
Jo Cox's death was horrible. It's at least arguable there's some kind of link to the referendum (though whoever did it is guilty, no-one else), but a Trafalgar Square rally and worldwide celebration? Please, no.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Ludicrous and entirely politically motivated to keep the tragedy in the news cycle
Of course
it's timed for the maximum referendum shroud waving on Wednesday, whereas Thursday the one week anniversary would make more sense.
Remain must be pumping this as their best chance to swing votes, but risky as it has the potential to backfire by pissing people off.
I agree that this is quite likely to have the opposite effect to what Remain wants.
Isn't that wishful thinking? There do seem to be an awful lot feeble-minded drippy people in Britain. They are probably over-represented amongst undecided voters.
At this point I have no idea what is going to happen one way or another.
It's been clear to me for years that I don't grok a huge swathe of our population. Maybe it's a generational thing, maybe I'm just acculturated.
You're waiting for a train, a train that will take you far away. You know where you hope this train will take you, but you don't know for sure.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Ludicrous and entirely politically motivated to keep the tragedy in the news cycle
Of course
it's timed for the maximum referendum shroud waving on Wednesday, whereas Thursday the one week anniversary would make more sense.
Remain must be pumping this as their best chance to swing votes, but risky as it has the potential to backfire by pissing people off.
I agree that this is quite likely to have the opposite effect to what Remain wants.
It would be mildly amusing if it joined the long list of Remain vote losing big events. Its after the last few days of doom and gloom in the Remain camp it must be about time for another round of gloating and being convinced they have it in the bag... well until the next set of polls come out anyway.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No the odd photo was her, her husband and her two small kids sailing towards a brawl on a river.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Ludicrous and entirely politically motivated to keep the tragedy in the news cycle
Of course
it's timed for the maximum referendum shroud waving on Wednesday, whereas Thursday the one week anniversary would make more sense.
Remain must be pumping this as their best chance to swing votes, but risky as it has the potential to backfire by pissing people off.
But Thursday is not her birthday, Wednesday is
The conspiracy theorists are going to have a field day!
I cannot wait to see how people end up deciding which major plays by the opposing side in the final week will be categorized as 'Will have the opposite effect leave/remain want' and 'will have no effect as no one will notice' - years of following politics, I'm yet to determine how people decide in what way to dismiss things, and indeed sometimes they can manage both somehow.
Personally I tend to stick with a 'probably won't have much of an effect' approach for everything, as a sitting on the fence kind of approach, as I can be wrong on the significance, but technically not wrong about having an opposite effect if one occurs.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No the odd photo was her, her husband and her two small kids sailing towards a brawl on a river.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
I don't think she was on the boat with her children and I think it was Boris's Sister Rachel with Geldorf
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No, she was in a RIB with her husband & kids (ages 3 & 5), being sprayed with river water by a LEAVE boat....so much for peaceful protest, eh?
Sorry, but a boat sailing down the Thames to the Houses of Parliament? A political rally in Trafalgar Square the day before the most important vote since 1975? Remain are not putting their thumb on the scales; they have tipped them over.
What a childish, emotionally incontinent nation we have become.
Did you miss the Diana stuff?
I was too young to really understand what was going on. I just thought it was sad that a princess died in a car crash.
We are a country of weepists and have been for 20 years.
Yes. But apparently we are supposed to be surprised every time.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
She's a bad mother now......how was she to know LEAVE wouldn't let it be a peaceful protest?
I have no idea how it plays if England votes out and the Scots keep us in. Of course, I appreciate that Cameron will play the One Nation card, but even so. That would be ghastly.
If Britain votes Remain by a small margin, then there will be many demographics which people can say "kept us in".
Two that spring to mind are London residents and Muslims.
I'm not so sure about the Muslim vote. Has anyone seen a poll? (Not a Pole.)
In multicultural Leicester it is my Hindu and Asian Christian colleagues who have been Leave inclined. The Muslims that I know are either Remain or voice no opinion. On the other hand they are rather preoccupied with Ramadan etc at present so all rather tired and grumpy. Long muggy days are pretty gruelling when fasting, and also the focus is on the spiritual world rather than the secular one. I would forecast a fairly low turnout from that community, though putting up Sadiq Khan for Remain in the debate may spark interest.
An Italian friend said they'd recently done an article in corriere della sera on the strange referendum phenomena of immigrants who wanted to close the door behind them.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No the odd photo was her, her husband and her two small kids sailing towards a brawl on a river.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
I don't think she was on the boat with her children and I think it was Boris's Sister Rachel with Geldorf
Is Geldof going to turn to camera and say "get your f***ing votes out"?
If Sunderland is less than 53% for Leave then Remain will win, from demograhic profile. At least that was the verdict when discussed on here a week or two back.
Apparently a Voodo poll in the Sunderland echo has leave on 70%. I will watch those results with interest.
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If Sunderland is more than 60% for Leave, I think we can reasonably assume a Leave victory. (85%+ probability).
On the other hand, if it's below 50% for Leave, I'd flip it, and assume a similar likelihood for Remain.
I would point out that local papers', with the Conservatives on 35% and the Alliance Social and Liberal Democrats on about 10%. The eventual result did not look anything like that.
I agree. The only caveat is that I would say 53% plus for leave is good.
Voodoo polls are voodoo polls. For amusement only. Just thought I would mention it for the sake of amusement.
For that reason, I think 55% is the vote share where Leave should become overall (51%) favourites.
It seems PB Bettors should be sitting with their calculators at the ready awaiting that all 8important +/- 55% vote for LEAVE in Sunderland!
The truth is however that if the exit poll, presumably again on the stroke of 10.00pm, is anything like as accurate as for the 2015 GE, then unless the result is very close indeed we can all go to bed, instead of having to wait up for a further 4 - 5 hours of sometimes very boring, repetitive and partisan discussion. Btw is another all-night pub party being planned this time?
There will be no exit poll as there was not for indyref. However yougov did a post vote poll which came out at 10pm which was just 1% off for No and Yes and they will probably do the same on Thursday
One of the pollsters explai ned why there was unlikely to be an exit poll. It isn't a question of asking people for they voted and then presenting the percentages because the sample will be skewed. You compare how they voted with what happened last time and then project to a new figure. As referendums are one offs there is no historical data to refer to
Jo Cox's death was horrible. It's at least arguable there's some kind of link to the referendum (though whoever did it is guilty, no-one else), but a Trafalgar Square rally and worldwide celebration? Please, no.
I think it depends what tone it takes. If it's a genuine "celebration" of her work and life then fair enough.
If it basically evolves into an "eve of poll referendum rally" then it could backfire spectacularly (someone had better keep Kinnock quiet, LOL)
Did PB really think REMAIN would try not to win the referendum? Did it think all its enemies were as easy as Ed Miliband? How naive.
Yes, it was rather naive of many (not me) to think that our grotty elites would stand for their pension scheme being obliterated by an insignificant detail like the democratic wishes of the British people. But I am surprised that you see this contempt for you as a voter as a cause for celebration.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No the odd photo was her, her husband and her two small kids sailing towards a brawl on a river.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
I don't think she was on the boat with her children and I think it was Boris's Sister Rachel with Geldorf
It didn't look like Rachael Johnson - the lady had dark hair and looked remarkably like Mrs Cox. There's nothing wrong with her being aboard, of course.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No the odd photo was her, her husband and her two small kids sailing towards a brawl on a river.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
I don't think she was on the boat with her children and I think it was Boris's Sister Rachel with Geldorf
here's her twitter account, shes claiming it;s her husband and kids in that small dinghy.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
She's a bad mother now......how was she to know LEAVE wouldn't let it be a peaceful protest?
Point of order: It was Leave's rally. Remain decided to cause trouble.
Jo Cox's death was horrible. It's at least arguable there's some kind of link to the referendum (though whoever did it is guilty, no-one else), but a Trafalgar Square rally and worldwide celebration? Please, no.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No, she was in a RIB with her husband & kids (ages 3 & 5), being sprayed with river water by a LEAVE boat....so much for peaceful protest, eh?
Children have no place at political protests, particularly so young and in a boat on a large river. How is that responsible?
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No, she was in a RIB with her husband & kids (ages 3 & 5), being sprayed with river water by a LEAVE boat....so much for peaceful protest, eh?
She was not in the rib as far as I know, it may have been a family friend - was she not in her constituency
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No the odd photo was her, her husband and her two small kids sailing towards a brawl on a river.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
I don't think she was on the boat with her children and I think it was Boris's Sister Rachel with Geldorf
She was on a small RIB with her family - as her widower tweeted: So this is the moment the #VoteLeave lot started hosing my kids with river water. Nice friendly lot #floatilla
I have no idea how it plays if England votes out and the Scots keep us in. Of course, I appreciate that Cameron will play the One Nation card, but even so. That would be ghastly.
If Britain votes Remain by a small margin, then there will be many demographics which people can say "kept us in".
Two that spring to mind are London residents and Muslims.
And the London, multiculti Meejah...
Surprising comment from someone from the vibrant multi cultural and VERY cultural city of Liverpool.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Just caught the end of the breaking news but it really is going global involving many countries around the globe. Still waiting for full details but it apparently is her birthday
There will probably be next to no coverage at all outside the UK, there was a statement from Hillary after the killing and a Canadian MP in Parliament and some coverage on the continent but few international news agencies will cover a minor rally outside their own country
It is reported there will be rallies in all the participating countries at the same time and co-ordinated and networking through the broadcast media worldwide
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No, she was in a RIB with her husband & kids (ages 3 & 5), being sprayed with river water by a LEAVE boat....so much for peaceful protest, eh?
Children have no place at political protests, particularly so young and in a boat on a large river. How is that responsible?
I'm not one for ceremonies at all. But proper measured recognition is in order. Above all this is a time for traditional British obduracy. It's a strength.
This line of posting will not end well. See y'all on the next thread.
RIP Jo Cox, I didn't know you though you sounded lovely. But you sure didn't deserve your death being turned into a politically motivated three-ring circus.
If Sunderland is less than 53% for Leave then Remain will win, from demograhic profile. At least that was the verdict when discussed on here a week or two back.
Apparently a Voodo poll in the Sunderland echo has leave on 70%. I will watch those results with interest.
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If Sunderland is more than 60% for Leave, I think we can reasonably assume a Leave victory. (85%+ probability).
On the other hand, if it's below 50% for Leave, I'd flip it, and assume a similar likelihood for Remain.
I would point out that local papers', with the Conservatives on 35% and the Alliance Social and Liberal Democrats on about 10%. The eventual result did not look anything like that.
I agree. The only caveat is that I would say 53% plus for leave is good.
Voodoo polls are voodoo polls. For amusement only. Just thought I would mention it for the sake of amusement.
For that reason, I think 55% is the vote share where Leave should become overall (51%) favourites.
It seems PB Bettors should be sitting with their calculators at the ready awaiting that all 8important +/- 55% vote for LEAVE in Sunderland!
The truth is however that if the exit poll, presumably again on the stroke of 10.00pm, is anything like as accurate as for the 2015 GE, then unless the result is very close indeed we can all go to bed, instead of having to wait up for a further 4 - 5 hours of sometimes very boring, repetitive and partisan discussion. Btw is another all-night pub party being planned this time?
There will be no exit poll as there was not for indyref. However yougov did a post vote poll which came out at 10pm which was just 1% off for No and Yes and they will probably do the same on Thursday
One of the pollsters explai ned why there was unlikely to be an exit poll. It isn't a question of asking people for they voted and then presenting the percentages because the sample will be skewed. You compare how they voted with what happened last time and then project to a new figure. As referendums are one offs there is no historical data to refer to
Indeed but yougov will do a poll
Would you admit to voting leave in this sort of climate. Remember what happened to anyone who didnt support the diana emoting in 1997
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
She's a bad mother now......how was she to know LEAVE wouldn't let it be a peaceful protest?
Point of order: It was Leave's rally. Remain decided to cause trouble.
By attending? Did they spray young children with river water?
I think a general election mandate to leave the EU is more likely. Probably the Conservatives with a Leave supporting leader.
No. No. No. The Conservatives are THE EU Party. The Tories took us in. The Tories are now in the process of keeping us there forever. No Tory leader will ever stand on the platform of taking us out of the EU... Or if they do it will just be a pack of lies.
Conservatives = The EU. Was forever thus.
Now, I rekon the chances are good that when we join the Euro it will be a "Tory" government that brings us to end game... Given it was a Tory government that started it off all those years ago.
In some ways this is logical, it's that Nixon goes to China situation. The Tories are certainly portrayed as more eurosceptic than labour, and so they can get away with integration. At the same time, a Tory couldn't get away with nhs reforms that labour have done, labour are the nhs party and so have more scope. I wonder if we would have initially joined the euro if the Tories had won in 1997? Bearing in mind uk euroscepticism of the Euro was a lot lower back in early 2000's...
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No the odd photo was her, her husband and her two small kids sailing towards a brawl on a river.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
I don't think she was on the boat with her children and I think it was Boris's Sister Rachel with Geldorf
It didn't look like Rachael Johnson - the lady had dark hair and looked remarkably like Mrs Cox. There's nothing wrong with her being aboard, of course.
Rachel Johnson was with Geldorf, Jo Cox was not on the rib or with Geldorf - assume she was in her constituency
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No, she was in a RIB with her husband & kids (ages 3 & 5), being sprayed with river water by a LEAVE boat....so much for peaceful protest, eh?
Children have no place at political protests, particularly so young and in a boat on a large river. How is that responsible?
Another 'Jo Cox was a bad mother'......
Would you do it? The Thames is a very large and fast moving river.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
She's a bad mother now......how was she to know LEAVE wouldn't let it be a peaceful protest?
"She's a bad mother now."
Well clearly that's your suggestion,
But It's the kind of thing lots of parents would get pulled up for and prosecuted.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No the odd photo was her, her husband and her two small kids sailing towards a brawl on a river.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
I don't think she was on the boat with her children and I think it was Boris's Sister Rachel with Geldorf
She was on a small RIB with her family - as her widower tweeted: So this is the moment the #VoteLeave lot started hosing my kids with river water. Nice friendly lot #floatilla
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No the odd photo was her, her husband and her two small kids sailing towards a brawl on a river.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
I don't think she was on the boat with her children and I think it was Boris's Sister Rachel with Geldorf
She was on a small RIB with her family - as her widower tweeted: So this is the moment the #VoteLeave lot started hosing my kids with river water. Nice friendly lot #floatilla
Jo Cox's death was horrible. It's at least arguable there's some kind of link to the referendum (though whoever did it is guilty, no-one else), but a Trafalgar Square rally and worldwide celebration? Please, no.
Stiff upper lip is no more.
The family seems to have shown plenty of stiff upper lip. It's others. It's not their tragedy. We can all be shocked and sad, we should be. But there comes a point when we should withdraw. What happens next? The public demands the kids are wheeled out? No thank-you.
Sorry, but a boat sailing down the Thames to the Houses of Parliament? A political rally in Trafalgar Square the day before the most important vote since 1975? Remain are not putting their thumb on the scales; they have tipped them over.
What a childish, emotionally incontinent nation we have become.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No the odd photo was her, her husband and her two small kids sailing towards a brawl on a river.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
I don't think she was on the boat with her children and I think it was Boris's Sister Rachel with Geldorf
She was on a small RIB with her family - as her widower tweeted: So this is the moment the #VoteLeave lot started hosing my kids with river water. Nice friendly lot #floatilla
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
She's a bad mother now......how was she to know LEAVE wouldn't let it be a peaceful protest?
Point of order: It was Leave's rally. Remain decided to cause trouble.
By attending? Did they spray young children with river water?
They knew it was Leave's rally, and they deliberately went there to disrupt and protest.
Therefore your claim that "how was she to know LEAVE wouldn't let it be a peaceful protest" is false, since she herself was going there to cause disruption. She knew the risks.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No the odd photo was her, her husband and her two small kids sailing towards a brawl on a river.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
I don't think she was on the boat with her children and I think it was Boris's Sister Rachel with Geldorf
It didn't look like Rachael Johnson - the lady had dark hair and looked remarkably like Mrs Cox. There's nothing wrong with her being aboard, of course.
Rachel Johnson was with Geldorf, Jo Cox was not on the rib or with Geldorf - assume she was in her constituency
The River was on Weds.
I suspect she was on Geldofs boat and took the picture from it as he family sailed past, the put it on her Twitter.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No, she was in a RIB with her husband & kids (ages 3 & 5), being sprayed with river water by a LEAVE boat....so much for peaceful protest, eh?
Children have no place at political protests, particularly so young and in a boat on a large river. How is that responsible?
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No, she was in a RIB with her husband & kids (ages 3 & 5), being sprayed with river water by a LEAVE boat....so much for peaceful protest, eh?
Children have no place at political protests, particularly so young and in a boat on a large river. How is that responsible?
Another 'Jo Cox was a bad mother'......
Would you do it? The Thames is a very large and fast moving river.
Surely we trust the parents to make the right decisions. Should they have anticipated Leave supporters would spray their children with water? Were they mistaken to believe that adults would not act in that way?
Jo Cox's death was horrible. It's at least arguable there's some kind of link to the referendum (though whoever did it is guilty, no-one else), but a Trafalgar Square rally and worldwide celebration? Please, no.
Stiff upper lip is no more.
The family seems to have shown plenty of stiff upper lip. It's others. It's not their tragedy. We can all be shocked and sad, we should be. But there comes a point when we should withdraw. What happens next? The public demands the kids are wheeled out? No thank-you.
There is no public demand; it is our political establishment exploiting events in a desperate attempt to keep our current oligarchic system in place.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No the odd photo was her, her husband and her two small kids sailing towards a brawl on a river.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
I don't think she was on the boat with her children and I think it was Boris's Sister Rachel with Geldorf
She was on a small RIB with her family - as her widower tweeted: So this is the moment the #VoteLeave lot started hosing my kids with river water. Nice friendly lot #floatilla
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It e vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
She's a bad mother now......how was she to know LEAVE wouldn't let it be a peaceful protest?
"She's a bad mother now."
Well clearly that's your suggestion,
But It's the kind of thing lots of parents would get pulled up for and prosecuted.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have bvent before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
She's a bad mother now......how was she to know LEAVE wouldn't let it be a peaceful protest?
"She's a bad mother now."
Well clearly that's your suggestion,
But It's the kind of thing lots of parents would get pulled up for and prosecuted.
Is the law just for the little people ?
She lived in a barge in London with her family and no you do not get arrested for peacefully protesting
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
No, she was in a RIB with her husband & kids (ages 3 & 5), being sprayed with river water by a LEAVE boat....so much for peaceful protest, eh?
Children have no place at political protests, particularly so young and in a boat on a large river. How is that responsible?
Another 'Jo Cox was a bad mother'......
Would you do it? The Thames is a very large and fast moving river.
Surely we trust the parents to make the right decisions. Should they have anticipated Leave supporters would spray their children with water? Were they mistaken to believe that adults would not act in that way?
The kids were wearing life jackets - but as ever, for some reason LEAVErs seem determined to dispute facts 'It wasn't political/He didn't say Britain First'.......why is that?
If Sunderland is less than 53% for Leave then Remain will win, from demograhic profile. At least that was the verdict when discussed on here a week or two back.
Apparently a Voodo poll in the Sunderland echo has leave on 70%. I will watch those results with interest.
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If Sunderland is more than 60% for Leave, I think we can reasonably assume a Leave victory. (85%+ probability).
On the other hand, if it's below 50% for Leave, I'd flip it, and assume a similar likelihood for Remain.
I would point out that local papers', with the Conservatives on 35% and the Alliance Social and Liberal Democrats on about 10%. The eventual result did not look anything like that.
I agree. The only caveat is that I would say 53% plus for leave is good.
Voodoo polls are voodoo polls. For amusement only. Just thought I would mention it for the sake of amusement.
For that reason, I think 55% is the vote share where Leave should become overall (51%) favourites.
It seems PB Bettors should be sitting with their calculators at the ready awaiting that all 8important +/- 55% vote for LEAVE in Sunderland!
The truth is however that if the exit poll, presumably again on the stroke of 10.00pm, is anything like as accurate as for the 2015 GE, then unless the result is very close indeed we can all go to bed, instead of having to wait up for a further 4 - 5 hours of sometimes very boring, repetitive and partisan discussion. Btw is another all-night pub party being planned this time?
There will be no exit poll as there was not for indyref. However yougov did a post vote poll which came out at 10pm which was just 1% off for No and Yes and they will probably do the same on Thursday
One of the pollsters explai ned why there was unlikely to be an exit poll. It isn't a question of asking people for they voted and then presenting the percentages because the sample will be skewed. You compare how they voted with what happened last time and then project to a new figure. As referendums are one offs there is no historical data to refer to
Indeed but yougov will do a poll
Would you admit to voting leave in this sort of climate. Remember what happened to anyone who didnt support the diana emoting in 1997
The Diana sentiment was real for a time the monarchy was in danger but this is undecideds shifting not committed Leavers
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It e vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
She's a bad mother now......how was she to know LEAVE wouldn't let it be a peaceful protest?
"She's a bad mother now."
Well clearly that's your suggestion,
But It's the kind of thing lots of parents would get pulled up for and prosecuted.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have bvent before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
She's a bad mother now......how was she to know LEAVE wouldn't let it be a peaceful protest?
"She's a bad mother now."
Well clearly that's your suggestion, eople ?
She lived in a barge in London with her family and no you do not get arrested for peacefully protesting
each to their own of course, but I wouldn;t bring my kids to a fractious demo.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
madness
Just caught the end of the breaking news but it really is going global involving many countries around the globe. Still waiting for full details but it apparently is her birthday
There will probably be next to no coverage at all outside the UK, there was a statement from Hillary after the killing and a Canadian MP in Parliament and some coverage on the continent but few international news agencies will cover a minor rally outside their own country
I was surprised at the amount of international coverage her death got. It tied into a narrative of a referendum that had got very nasty. That might explain part of it.
Our media covered the Anna Lindh and Gabby Giffords shootings not any minor memorial rallies after
Sorry, but a boat sailing down the Thames to the Houses of Parliament? A political rally in Trafalgar Square the day before the most important vote since 1975? Remain are not putting their thumb on the scales; they have tipped them over.
What a childish, emotionally incontinent nation we have become.
A State funeral is required.
Serious Q - have her family even buried her yet?
This is unseemly.
Murder victims are seldom laid to rest quickly. It's another horrible detail for their families to deal with.
Sky news saying there is going to be a worldwide tribute event to Jo Cox centred on Trafalgar Square at 4.00pm on Wednesday 22nd June to celebrate her life's work and all she stood for.
Most of us are at work at that time. Aren't we? Lowlander's mum is going to explode.
I really hope not - It does seem to have been arranged for her birthday but to co-ordinate events worldwide so quickly is amazing. It will also be interesting who the many contributors will be and how they convey their tributes. It is the last big event before the vote
Contributors. Geldof,Sting,Bono(maybe just his hat), and Tony Blair. Afterall “She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
IIRC she was photo'd on Geldof's boat.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
She's a bad mother now......how was she to know LEAVE wouldn't let it be a peaceful protest?
Point of order: It was Leave's rally. Remain decided to cause trouble.
By attending? Did they spray young children with river water?
They knew it was Leave's rally, and they deliberately went there to disrupt and protest.
So only LEAVE are allowed to use the Thames?
And protest isn't allowed?
And only LEAVE are allowed to spray small children with river water.....
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I bought a new Peugeot in 2003 to show my support for Ryton and within months it had all closed down. Lots of Southam neighbours lost their jobs. Big Leave win there, for sure.
It's a tragedy for the family and a sad loss to Parliament, but it's getting over the top now,
I thought Bowie was bad enough.
Timeline of last few days:
"Jo Cox's attacker is just a lone madman - this isn't political"
**Revealed that several witnesses heard him shout "Britain first" during attack**
"But he wasn't ideologically driven, he is just a bit mad"
**Man charged for attack says his name is "death to traitors, freedom for Britain" in court**
"Ok ok, but that doesn't mean much either. Despite his past, he is just a crazed man now"
**It is revealed that when arrested he said he was a "political activist", and police found articles 'white supremacist’ material at his home**
Imagine being undermined every step of the way by the very guy you're trying to defend
Jolly cunning, these lizards.....
1) At your age, don't try to feign naivety.
2) Try to use punctuation properly. More people will read what you post.
I cannot stand overdone or overextended displays of sadness, that's just my personal view, but it has not been that excessive, I think if anything people are getting too defensive about the supposed excess.
“She was the people’s princess and that’s how she will stay, how she will remain in our hearts and in our memories forever,”
Instead, it looks like her hysterical mourners are going to try and bring down the referendum...
Actually that's a lie, the same numbers will, but that was still a pretty uppity way of telling someone they'd used punctuation incorrectly, I don't see what benefit it adds when done in that manner.
Dave, Tony and Bono won't be there when the reptiles turn up and start name blackening.
If it was me I'd have kept it private which isnhow I thinkn grief should be.
It's been clear to me for years that I don't grok a huge swathe of our population. Maybe it's a generational thing, maybe I'm just acculturated.
You're waiting for a train, a train that will take you far away. You know where you hope this train will take you, but you don't know for sure.
Say what you like but I wouldn't bring my kids to argy bargy on a river no matter how strong I felt.
Personally I tend to stick with a 'probably won't have much of an effect' approach for everything, as a sitting on the fence kind of approach, as I can be wrong on the significance, but technically not wrong about having an opposite effect if one occurs.
If it basically evolves into an "eve of poll referendum rally" then it could backfire spectacularly (someone had better keep Kinnock quiet, LOL)
clearly primary school kids.
https://twitter.com/jo_cox1?lang=en-gb
Point of order: It was Leave's rally. Remain decided to cause trouble.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck_1ihJWUAAme_P.jpg:large
But proper measured recognition is in order.
Above all this is a time for traditional British obduracy.
It's a strength.
RIP Jo Cox, I didn't know you though you sounded lovely. But you sure didn't deserve your death being turned into a politically motivated three-ring circus.
*quick edit for crimes against grammar*
Well clearly that's your suggestion,
But It's the kind of thing lots of parents would get pulled up for and prosecuted.
Is the law just for the little people ?
This is unseemly.
They knew it was Leave's rally, and they deliberately went there to disrupt and protest.
Therefore your claim that "how was she to know LEAVE wouldn't let it be a peaceful protest" is false, since she herself was going there to cause disruption. She knew the risks.
I suspect she was on Geldofs boat and took the picture from it as he family sailed past, the put it on her Twitter.
They will stop at nothing to win.
Add the missing h to Url
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And protest isn't allowed?
And only LEAVE are allowed to spray small children with river water.....