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  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,170
    Bingo :D
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    Little England Hurray!
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Never seen the lady in red before, very impressive.

    I'd love to be sat with the pb.tory remainers watching Sturgeon and Eagle abusing tories.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Rudd says Little Englander!!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,451
    tlg86 said:

    Gisela is brilliant, far too good for Labour.

    All those "Tories For Gisela" voters in Edgbaston knew what they were doing didn't they? :smiley:
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    Armstrong: "Overlooked part of Syria conflict is Genie Oil and all the oil found underneath the Golan Heights with Larry Summers and Dick Cheney on the board amongst others"

    http://globalriskinsights.com/2016/03/pressure-building-golan-heights/

    Hmmm: they are not on the board of Genie Oil & Gas, they are 'strategic advisory board' members.

    Genie Energy owns Genie Oil & Gas, which has a very modest ($8m of well costs in the first quarter) exploration programme in Northern Israel (aka the Golan Heights). They also have a Colorado Oil shale programme.

    I know Noble Energy very well (which has the massive Leviathan gas field off-shore Israel), and have been an investor in another Israeli oil & gas company. (Via the always excellent Martin Molyneaux at First Energy.)

    The Golan Heights and the rest of Northern Israel has seen lots of cores drilled over the years, and there's been a lot of seismic shot. While there is evidence of natural gas, I am told that the geology (it's been extremely well cooked) mean it's very unlikely there are commercial quantities of oil in the area. Tight natural gas formations are not something there is any particular shortage of at the moment.

    Genie Energy has a market capitalisation of $178m. If you really believe that uncommercial quantities of natural gas (that will be competing with cheap CH4 molecules from the Leviathan field) are a goer, you are welcome to waste your money.
    Thanks rcs1000. I bow to your greater knowledge over this - I've been meaning to look into this and haven't had time thanks to being so tied up with that notorious address. I mean to have a look at i when I get chance.
    Martin Molyneaux of First Energy probably knows more about the geology of Northern Israel than any man alive, and his advice helped make a lot of people a lot of money on Leviathan. If you want to talk to him, I can probably arrange a call, but my understanding is that any hydrocarbons locked under the Golan Heights have been too hot for too long, and therefore the long-chains (oil) have broken down into short-chains (natural gas).
    Thanks rcs1000 - I'd love to but just haven't got time at the moment - will take you up on the offer when times are quieter. Thanks once again.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    I missed little England. Was it Rudd?
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    FUCKING BINGO!!!!
  • midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112
    Danny565 said:

    I think all, bar Boris and Eagle, are doing quite well.

    Yep. Surprised how good Rudd is.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    I missed little England. Was it Rudd?

    Yes - not even in relation to Nigel or the Leave campaign
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,451
    PlatoSaid said:

    Rudd says Little Englander!!

    Drat! It needed to be Nicola! :(
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,740
    edited June 2016
    Q: Does Boris look like a PM on this?

    Con MPs (both Leave and Remain) will be considering the matter - this is one of the biggest auditions he will do.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,809
    Angela pointing or wagging her finger. Not good.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    A whopper from Eagle about trade unions.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Synchronised nod down to the notes from Boris and Gisela
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited June 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    Rudd says Little Englander!!

    Someone on the Remain team had to take on the 'take back control' steamroller - the new long term economic plan. Rudd is the only one capable of taking them on.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,809
    MikeL said:

    Q: Does Boris look like a PM on this?

    Con MPs (both Leave and Remain) will be considering the matter - this is one of the biggest auditions he will do.

    Yes
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    MikeL said:

    Q: Does Boris look like a PM on this?

    Con MPs (both Leave and Remain) will be considering the matter - this is one of the biggest auditions he will do.

    He doesn't look like he's auditioning for it - Amber Rudd on the other hand....
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    Boris looked hard then.
  • Angela Eagle thinks she is a blonde bombshell?!?!
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    We do not need the EU to guarantee our humanity - from Boris.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    Having a go at Little Englanders is not wise when the England flag is set to be flown everywhere over the next two weeks (until the quarter finals, probably).

    Come on (not so little) England!

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,261
    Boris: "we don't need the EU to guarantee our humanity"
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Turkey yet to get a mention other than in reference to Boris' ancestry
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Rudd keeps looking and sounding like a person who has just stood on a dog turd.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,170

    Angela Eagle thinks she is a blonde bombshell?!?!

    I think it was a quote perhaps from a previous PMQs session? I seem to recall it.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    Etch a sketch is letting the Remainers talk over Boris.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    Best critic of Boris by Nicola
  • Remain just trying to personalise this. It may work it may not, but its not debating the EU.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    I was expecting Eagle to be weak, but quite surprised at how weak Sturgeon is when she has colleagues...
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569

    Having a go at Little Englanders is not wise when the England flag is set to be flown everywhere over the next two weeks (until the quarter finals, probably).

    Come on (not so little) England!

    Maybe Dave will order the eu flag to fly above number 10 like sindyref and the St Andrew cross.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Oh my, Rudd now onto Farage.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    In before talk of white van man....
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    Great move by Leadsom on Sturgeon.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Andrea Leadsom staying above the fray and positively presidential. She is a real star!

    Massive applause just.
  • Andrea is simply superb. Next PM please.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Outrageous. Hear, hear Ms Leadsom.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,809
    Killer attack by Andrea on Nicola.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Leadsom Leadsom Leadsom she's the winner.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    If I kicked my ball over Leadsom's garden I wouldn't have the guts to ask for it back.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,170
    Leadsom eminently sensible.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,261
    FANTASTIC from Andrea Leadsom on voting Remain to get the EU to overrule the UK Government
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Leadsom Leadsom Leadsom she's the winner.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,756
    Looking at the comments on Sarah Wollaston's blog, I would guess that South Hams Conservatives are not a happy ship at the moment.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Another corker from Leadsom on Sturgeon wanting to overrule the HMG democratic vote
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Eagle sounds like a poor imitation of Liz Truss here...
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,809
    Fenster said:

    If I kicked my ball over Leadsom's garden I wouldn't have the guts to ask for it back.

    You've got the wrong lady.
  • handandmousehandandmouse Posts: 213
    REMAIN singularly unable to answer the question about what EU regulations they oppose. Nakedly evasive.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    edited June 2016
    Leadsom v Eagles is a mismatch
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Amber Rudd is making some disgusting comments which she will regret long term.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,261
    Rudd hasn't got it right with attacking Leave for being Farage rather than answering on women's rights IMHO
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    As I have said before Amber and Andrea miles ahead. Both doing their careers a lot of good
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited June 2016
    Fenster said:

    If I kicked my ball over Leadsom's garden I wouldn't have the guts to ask for it back.

    I would be very polite and I'm sure she'd help me find it

    I wouldn't dare ask Rudd - she'd give me a lecture.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    What are women's rights and gay rights like in Poland?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Gisela and Andrea are walking this.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    There are an infinite number of universes. In only one of those was Eagles a good choice to put on to this panel.
  • YossariansChildYossariansChild Posts: 536
    edited June 2016
    This started badly for Leave but Andrea and Gisela have swung it round.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Amber Rudd is making some disgusting comments which she will regret long term.

    What did Rudd say? I was out of the room.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,261
    Oh dear.

    (assuming that's representative)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    edited June 2016
    I still think Remain are going to win, but I'm encouraged that it appears that Remain have given no thought to tonight and left the three of them to get on with it.

    I know the government is not at stake (well, not technically), but right now, I know which three I would want to run the country.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    Sean_F said:

    Looking at the comments on Sarah Wollaston's blog, I would guess that South Hams Conservatives are not a happy ship at the moment.

    Picking up on some real local anger....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited June 2016

    What are women's rights and gay rights like in Poland?

    https://www.vice.com/video/rise-of-the-right

    And this lot are in the same group as the Tories in EU parliament.
  • 4-1 Leave - i'll call that a draw.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,809
    Ooh sovereignty!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,432
    edited June 2016

    Oh dear.

    (assuming that's representative)
    It's not, the last panel had 80% backing Leave before the Dave & Farage Q&A started
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    edited June 2016
    Freggles said:
    Crushing leave win. Crushing win for Gisela and Andrea!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    Julie is moderating this so well
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,592
    Rudd's deliberately confusion of Farage with every awkward UKIP comment is about as convincing as painting her as the author of Rivers of Blood.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Nicola knows her true enemies are to the left of her on that stage.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,432
    Betfair utterly unmoved by this so far
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    Sean_F said:

    Looking at the comments on Sarah Wollaston's blog, I would guess that South Hams Conservatives are not a happy ship at the moment.

    Picking up on some real local anger....
    Mutiny in Dartmouth and the South Hams on the cards!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,740
    edited June 2016
    Well that doesn't suggest people think Boris is performing at PM level.
  • There are an infinite number of universes. In only one of those was Eagles a good choice to put on to this panel.

    This is the Labour talent pool these days.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    3/1 Leave with Hills. Fill your boots.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    I'm really shocked at how poor the Labour Remain representative is in this debate.

    REALLY SHOCKED. I mean, what would Corbyn say?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,170

    There are an infinite number of universes. In only one of those was Eagles a good choice to put on to this panel.

    This is the Labour talent pool these days.
    There's a great one on the leave panel... hint hint :)
  • handandmousehandandmouse Posts: 213
    I make it 3-1 LEAVE, NHS being REMAIN's sole strong question.
  • Gisella is head and shoulders above everyone in Labour.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    hunchman said:

    Sean_F said:

    Looking at the comments on Sarah Wollaston's blog, I would guess that South Hams Conservatives are not a happy ship at the moment.

    Picking up on some real local anger....
    Mutiny in Dartmouth and the South Hams on the cards!
    I read the comments. They're pretty evenly split between angry and supportive. She's going to be fine. I don't understand why she did what she did, but it's hardly the end of the world.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,001
    The non-Tories seem to be Brexit's secret weapon - Stuart, Owen, Field. Why don't we see more of them?
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    hunchman said:

    Freggles said:
    Crushing leave win. Crushing win for Gisela and Andrea!
    But. Will "Leave" win?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    MikeL said:

    Well that doesn't suggest people think Boris is performing at PM level.
    I think Boris is being deliberately very measured, he's not rising to the bait and letting the ladies do the talking. I think it's working well.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Amber Crudd - the climate change warrior!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,261
    SeanT said:

    Betfair utterly unmoved by this so far

    Whenever you say something like that, I know REMAIN are having a bad moment.

    You're still gonna triumph on the 23rd, but let us enjoy these battlefield victories. So far this is an easy win for LEAVE.
    Exactly. That's TSE's way of saying "we're losing".
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    Leave have been much better but I am not sure that it may go on too long and lose focus and interest
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited June 2016

    There are an infinite number of universes. In only one of those was Eagles a good choice to put on to this panel.

    This is the Labour talent pool these days.
    Well look at the top table...Jahadi Jez, McMao, Watson, the farting commie the city minister....

    All the ones with brains either have left to work at the Beeb, International Rescue etc or keep themselves about as far away from anything Labour as possible.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,261

    Julie is moderating this so well

    Second that
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238

    Gisella is head and shoulders above everyone in Labour.

    In the HoC, I have noticed it falls silent before she is about to speak.

    Compare her to Jess Philips, the Labour party's own Louise Mensch.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Leave use of examples is tremendous. Must be rehearsed.

    Remain, meanwhile, sound like ministerial show and tell 'when I went to eurppe'
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Boris destroyed Crudd on the VW scandal there!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,432
    SeanT said:

    Betfair utterly unmoved by this so far

    Whenever you say something like that, I know REMAIN are having a bad moment.

    You're still gonna triumph on the 23rd, but let us enjoy these battlefield victories. So far this is an easy win for LEAVE.
    Bless.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Rudd floundering now and she knows it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,432

    SeanT said:

    Betfair utterly unmoved by this so far

    Whenever you say something like that, I know REMAIN are having a bad moment.

    You're still gonna triumph on the 23rd, but let us enjoy these battlefield victories. So far this is an easy win for LEAVE.
    Exactly. That's TSE's way of saying "we're losing".
    Whereas your comment of 'piss off' is a sign of Leave doing well?
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    hunchman said:

    Amber Crudd - the climate change warrior!

    Yep, that's going to persuade the type of voter she needs to win over.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    PlatoSaid said:

    MikeL said:

    Well that doesn't suggest people think Boris is performing at PM level.
    I think Boris is being deliberately very measured, he's not rising to the bait and letting the ladies do the talking. I think it's working well.
    Encouraging to see that Boris is a team player. Doesn't have to be scoring all the goals - not when he is putting pin-point crosses into the box for others to score.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,756

    Betfair utterly unmoved by this so far

    Betfair will only be moved if Leave are leading 55/45 at 3 a.m. on 24th June.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,790
    Not watching proceedings as high up in the Aragonese Pyrenees. But ...

    This thread clearly demonstrates why most TV political debates don't change many minds. It's like reading comments on a Spurs message board during a game.
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