Why are they only applauding personal attacks? I thought the public didn't like Punch and Judy stuff?
One of the myths of politics. Along with people appreciating compromise from their political leaders, appreciating leaders changing their minds after listening to the public, that we vote for candidates not party labels, by and large, etc etc
Boris has had a lot of bad press the last few months, but his "I agree with Gisela/Andrea" is simple and effective. We aint gonna here those lines from the Remainers.
Very surprised by Remain - they sound rattled and rude.
There is clearly something weird going on with those in the Remain camp. It could just be they expected to be 10-15% ahead by now and it is actually really tight. Or maybe private polling showing something else.
My best guess is that they underestimated how skeptical the electorate are now. I don't just mean with respect to the EU, it's everything.
People do not trust traditional power structures, they don't react as expected when the great and good make their appeals based on authority. It's not a UK-only phenomenon of course.
Boris has had a lot of bad press the last few months, but his "I agree with Gisela/Andrea" is simple and effective. We aint gonna here those lines from the Remainers.
The Leavers are smashing this. They've gelled well. Better arguments, better jokes, great teamwork. Wouldn't like to be in the Remain dressing room after this one. Dave will be kicking the sandwiches around.
I don't know exactly why it is, but I and virtually everyone I've spoken to (admittedly virtually 100% English) has a problem with Nicola Sturgeon. I suspect she's a liability to the REMAIN cause on a programme such as this.
Yes, question is whether she puts off Scottish unionists or not.
The Leavers are smashing this. They've gelled well. Better arguments, better jokes, great teamwork. Wouldn't like to be in the Remain dressing room after this one. Dave will be kicking the sandwiches around.
The Leavers are smashing this. They've gelled well. Better arguments, better jokes, great teamwork. Wouldn't like to be in the Remain dressing room after this one. Dave will be kicking the sandwiches around.
In debates my experience is that we do rather tend to prefer those we agree with.
Television-less I am probably talking through my hat.
In any case doubt that anything from this debate would prompt me to take down my "Remain" sign, or any of a couple of dozen friends bar one to vote otherwise.
The Leavers are smashing this. They've gelled well. Better arguments, better jokes, great teamwork. Wouldn't like to be in the Remain dressing room after this one. Dave will be kicking the sandwiches around.
Dave hitting the fags?
Hitting the panic button at being outed over corruption!
Armstrong: "Overlooked part of Syria conflict is Genie Oil and all the oil found underneath the Golan Heights with Larry Summers and Dick Cheney on the board amongst others"
Hmmm: they are not on the board of Genie Oil & Gas, they are 'strategic advisory board' members.
Genie Energy owns Genie Oil & Gas, which has a very modest ($8m of well costs in the first quarter) exploration programme in Northern Israel (aka the Golan Heights). They also have a Colorado Oil shale programme.
I know Noble Energy very well (which has the massive Leviathan gas field off-shore Israel), and have been an investor in another Israeli oil & gas company. (Via the always excellent Martin Molyneaux at First Energy.)
The Golan Heights and the rest of Northern Israel has seen lots of cores drilled over the years, and there's been a lot of seismic shot. While there is evidence of natural gas, I am told that the geology (it's been extremely well cooked) mean it's very unlikely there are commercial quantities of oil in the area. Tight natural gas formations are not something there is any particular shortage of at the moment.
Genie Energy has a market capitalisation of $178m. If you really believe that uncommercial quantities of natural gas (that will be competing with cheap CH4 molecules from the Leviathan field) are a goer, you are welcome to waste your money.
Leave talking to the voters. Remain talking to their supporters.
I'm cautious to write it down, but feeling more and more to me that Remain know this has slipped away and are trying to minimise the scale of the loss on the 23rd...
Gisela and her 'German' English voice helps to give her greater credibility in this whole debate. Leadsom very authorative and impressive - how my estimation of her has grown over the past few weeks.
Leave talking to the voters. Remain talking to their supporters.
I'm cautious to write it down, but feeling more and more to me that Remain know this has slipped away and are trying to minimise the scale of the loss on the 23rd...
Hm, that doesn't make sense. It's a binary outcome, so they should be going all out for a win, rather than trying to minimise anything.
Leave talking to the voters. Remain talking to their supporters.
I'm cautious to write it down, but feeling more and more to me that Remain know this has slipped away and are trying to minimise the scale of the loss on the 23rd...
I hate to kill the buzz, but remain will win. However, it's going to have dire aftershocks in the Tory party at the very least.
Leave talking to the voters. Remain talking to their supporters.
I'm cautious to write it down, but feeling more and more to me that Remain know this has slipped away and are trying to minimise the scale of the loss on the 23rd...
Armstrong: "Overlooked part of Syria conflict is Genie Oil and all the oil found underneath the Golan Heights with Larry Summers and Dick Cheney on the board amongst others"
Hmmm: they are not on the board of Genie Oil & Gas, they are 'strategic advisory board' members.
Genie Energy owns Genie Oil & Gas, which has a very modest ($8m of well costs in the first quarter) exploration programme in Northern Israel (aka the Golan Heights). They also have a Colorado Oil shale programme.
I know Noble Energy very well (which has the massive Leviathan gas field off-shore Israel), and have been an investor in another Israeli oil & gas company. (Via the always excellent Martin Molyneaux at First Energy.)
The Golan Heights and the rest of Northern Israel has seen lots of cores drilled over the years, and there's been a lot of seismic shot. While there is evidence of natural gas, I am told that the geology (it's been extremely well cooked) mean it's very unlikely there are commercial quantities of oil in the area. Tight natural gas formations are not something there is any particular shortage of at the moment.
Genie Energy has a market capitalisation of $178m. If you really believe that uncommercial quantities of natural gas (that will be competing with cheap CH4 molecules from the Leviathan field) are a goer, you are welcome to waste your money.
Thanks rcs1000. I bow to your greater knowledge over this - I've been meaning to look into this and haven't had time thanks to being so tied up with that notorious address. I mean to have a look at it when I get chance.
Amber Rudd is a bit scary, without her it would be 5-0 leave. Eagles is just so horribly party political and Sturgeon can't hide her contempt for the UK.
You may want to have a peak at the Guardian blog...
"Question 2 (Economy) - Snap verdict: The Remain team easily had the best on this topic. Eagle (who as shadow business secretary does this for her day job), Sturgeon and Rudd were all forceful and convincing, and Rudd deal with the “these experts backed the euro” claim effectively. Eagle’s jibe about Johnson’s ambitions was more successful than the one Rudd tried earlier, because in this context it seemed appropriate. The Leave participants quoted more figures, but their arguments about trade seemed arcane. Remain were fired up, but their passion sounded justified."
For all the Stuart fans (I'm one too).. her upward trajectory may be difficult, especially given the membership:
*Voted for introducing student top-up fees *Voted for Labour's anti-terrorism laws *Voted for the Iraq war *Voted against investigating the Iraq war *Voted for replacing Trident
Armstrong: "Overlooked part of Syria conflict is Genie Oil and all the oil found underneath the Golan Heights with Larry Summers and Dick Cheney on the board amongst others"
Hmmm: they are not on the board of Genie Oil & Gas, they are 'strategic advisory board' members.
Genie Energy owns Genie Oil & Gas, which has a very modest ($8m of well costs in the first quarter) exploration programme in Northern Israel (aka the Golan Heights). They also have a Colorado Oil shale programme.
I know Noble Energy very well (which has the massive Leviathan gas field off-shore Israel), and have been an investor in another Israeli oil & gas company. (Via the always excellent Martin Molyneaux at First Energy.)
The Golan Heights and the rest of Northern Israel has seen lots of cores drilled over the years, and there's been a lot of seismic shot. While there is evidence of natural gas, I am told that the geology (it's been extremely well cooked) mean it's very unlikely there are commercial quantities of oil in the area. Tight natural gas formations are not something there is any particular shortage of at the moment.
Genie Energy has a market capitalisation of $178m. If you really believe that uncommercial quantities of natural gas (that will be competing with cheap CH4 molecules from the Leviathan field) are a goer, you are welcome to waste your money.
Thanks rcs1000. I bow to your greater knowledge over this - I've been meaning to look into this and haven't had time thanks to being so tied up with that notorious address. I mean to have a look at i when I get chance.
Martin Molyneaux of First Energy probably knows more about the geology of Northern Israel than any man alive, and his advice helped make a lot of people a lot of money on Leviathan. If you want to talk to him, I can probably arrange a call, but my understanding is that any hydrocarbons locked under the Golan Heights have been too hot for too long, and therefore the long-chains (oil) have broken down into short-chains (natural gas).
As much as I want it to happen, anyone who seriously thinks Leave is going to win this referendum is too caught up in it all. Take a step back, and breathe.
As much as I want it to happen, anyone who seriously thinks Leave is going to win this referendum is too caught up in it all. Take a step back, and breathe.
They are not going to win, I am reacting to the debate tonight.
Leave talking to the voters. Remain talking to their supporters.
I'm cautious to write it down, but feeling more and more to me that Remain know this has slipped away and are trying to minimise the scale of the loss on the 23rd...
Hm, that doesn't make sense. It's a binary outcome, so they should be going all out for a win, rather than trying to minimise anything.
Slight victory makes it much easier to find compromise..:
To be fair to Rudd, she is trying to be patriotic - but is hectoring...
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Boris really quite impressive as a team player.
People do not trust traditional power structures, they don't react as expected when the great and good make their appeals based on authority. It's not a UK-only phenomenon of course.
*buffs nails*
Another personal attack on Boris by Sturgeon. Does she want to move into Number 10?
1) Leadsom
2) Julie Eltchingham
Television-less I am probably talking through my hat.
In any case doubt that anything from this debate would prompt me to take down my "Remain" sign, or any of a couple of dozen friends bar one to vote otherwise.
Genie Energy owns Genie Oil & Gas, which has a very modest ($8m of well costs in the first quarter) exploration programme in Northern Israel (aka the Golan Heights). They also have a Colorado Oil shale programme.
I know Noble Energy very well (which has the massive Leviathan gas field off-shore Israel), and have been an investor in another Israeli oil & gas company. (Via the always excellent Martin Molyneaux at First Energy.)
The Golan Heights and the rest of Northern Israel has seen lots of cores drilled over the years, and there's been a lot of seismic shot. While there is evidence of natural gas, I am told that the geology (it's been extremely well cooked) mean it's very unlikely there are commercial quantities of oil in the area. Tight natural gas formations are not something there is any particular shortage of at the moment.
Genie Energy has a market capitalisation of $178m. If you really believe that uncommercial quantities of natural gas (that will be competing with cheap CH4 molecules from the Leviathan field) are a goer, you are welcome to waste your money.
Rudd.
Note the difference at the end - 3 Leave support each other Remain ignore each other.
Has Cameron chucked his mobile yet?
Buy Amber
Sell Boris
Clearly a plan to get her to sum up.
"Question 2 (Economy) - Snap verdict: The Remain team easily had the best on this topic. Eagle (who as shadow business secretary does this for her day job), Sturgeon and Rudd were all forceful and convincing, and Rudd deal with the “these experts backed the euro” claim effectively. Eagle’s jibe about Johnson’s ambitions was more successful than the one Rudd tried earlier, because in this context it seemed appropriate. The Leave participants quoted more figures, but their arguments about trade seemed arcane. Remain were fired up, but their passion sounded justified."
*Voted for introducing student top-up fees
*Voted for Labour's anti-terrorism laws
*Voted for the Iraq war
*Voted against investigating the Iraq war
*Voted for replacing Trident
Sturgeon tells a porky in response: "we get ten times as much back as we put in".
To be fair to Rudd, she is trying to be patriotic - but is hectoring...