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Good post - this great site is becoming very intimidating but I will continue to discuss with either side in genuine debate but some posters who have become insulting will be ignored. It is a shame as many leavers do make good points, indeed persuasive points, but it is drowned out by antagonism others
I am sorry I must have completely missed your complaints about the multiple examples of abuse spouted by TSE, Nabavi and Meeks etc at LEAVErs.
But Richard it is leave who are being laughed at - and you are all talking to each other
But Big_G it is Remain who are being laughed at - and you are all talking to each other.
My advice is never to make a statement which can be reversed and used back at you.
I will make statements that I am content with and will stand by them.
So are you really trying to say people haven't been laughing at Cameron ?
No more than leave trashing every International opinion and threatening a broadcaster with an injunction
You're wrong and you know it and that's why you're blustering.
Are you really trying to claim people even know about a possible debate, let alone talking about it, let alone talking about who is saying what about it on the Leave side, let alone laughing about it ?
Stop telling silly lies.
As to 'international opinion' are you really trying to say that people are laughing at Leave's response to Obama when the polls moved to Leave in response ?
Stop telling silly lies.
Instead stop parroting from the CCHQ instruction sheet and do something different for a few days. I think you'll feel much better afterwards.
Yours is the kind of post I am calling out and appeal to more on this forum on both sides to inject respect. I do not lie and if my opinion causes you a problem I will only accept your argument if it is respectful.
Yes you did lie.
You said that people were no more laughing at Cameron's 'war speech' than they are at Leave's response to a possible debate.
That is a lie.
Your problem is that you've become so attached to the Remain side you can no longer see the difference between truth, shades of propaganda and silly lies.
Take a little time away and you'll see how infantile all the arguing is and be embarrassed at the part you played in them.
It is not a lie it is like most comments on here an opinion, an opinion that I agree with. What I find offensive is for someone to advise another poster to go away.
What a surprise you're agreeing with someone you agree with.
And we all can do with taking time away from this site now and again.
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I am surprised that the Remain campaign have not spelt out to the Over 65 dynamic that a vote to Leave will likely mean a cut to their pension. Indeed this could in theory be replicated for anyone who derives income from the state as a contracting economy in shock from an EU exit would likely mean public spending cuts. The Over 65’s have been insulated from much of the austerity of recent years but a Brexit would induce more painful cuts.
Brexit would have no impact at all on pensions.
There will be a Remain attack on Pensions.
I am close to guaranteeing this.
*** On Topic ***
OK, let's start preparing LEAVE's response, as my poetry skills rival that of the Vogons.
1. Public pensions based on final salary will be protected.....by that nice Mr. Cameron. Rest easy NPXMP.
2. State pensions will be protected by Mr. Cameron. He can hardly deny it, can he?
3. Pensions provided by insurance companies. Speak to Equitable Life pensioners about how much protection they got in the EU.
4. Company pensioners. Ask those in the pension protection fund how they are doing thanks to pro-remain Labour's policies. There are 22,000 BHS members newly admitted. I'm sure a few will oblige.
5. Ex-EU commissioners' pensions? Screw 'em.
Artificially low interest rates and negative interest rates are like a bomb crater for pensions. It doesn't matter what the result is on the 23rd June, the sovereign debt crisis will sadly leave many with no pension where they thought they would have one. New Jersey in the US is one of a number of states that has prioritised public pensions above state debt repayment following Illinois. The results there are not pretty to say the least.
Under such arrangements the ECB single interest rate would never be inappropriate for any one country; clearly this is not the case under current arrangements.
I am not an economist, but the certainty with which that case is stated does not seem right. The US has been an integrated economy at least since the Civil War, and yet there are still times when the Fed's monetary policy is not appropriate for one or more of the regions. Why would the EU be different, particularly given the vastly disparate starting points of the various regions across any number of economic and skills parameters?
I am surprised that the Remain campaign have not spelt out to the Over 65 dynamic that a vote to Leave will likely mean a cut to their pension. Indeed this could in theory be replicated for anyone who derives income from the state as a contracting economy in shock from an EU exit would likely mean public spending cuts. The Over 65’s have been insulated from much of the austerity of recent years but a Brexit would induce more painful cuts.
Brexit would have no impact at all on pensions.
There will be a Remain attack on Pensions.
I am close to guaranteeing this.
*** On Topic ***
OK, let's start preparing LEAVE's response, as my poetry skills rival that of the Vogons.
1. Public pensions based on final salary will be protected.....by that nice Mr. Cameron. Rest easy NPXMP.
2. State pensions will be protected by Mr. Cameron. He can hardly deny it, can he?
3. Pensions provided by insurance companies. Speak to Equitable Life pensioners about how much protection they got in the EU.
4. Company pensioners. Ask those in the pension protection fund how they are doing thanks to pro-remain Labour's policies. There are 22,000 BHS members newly admitted. I'm sure a few will oblige.
Sorry but having heard the interview your account is not biased, it is pure fantasy.
You would say that but it is becoming an unsustainable position that everyone is wrong and only leave is right. Leave will need a better narrative by the time of the debates to have any form of creditability
I never said everyone was wrong. I said that your account of what Longworth said is fantasy.
And the credibility gap remains with Remain. In case you noticed people are laughing at you not with you.;
No Richard - you are all talking to each other and convincing each other. I do respect your views but like several posters on here have said this forum is becoming very unpleasant and some are giving up until after the 23rd June. I do not want to do that but I will defend my points of view and hopeful argue with respect. Abuse (not you) as some are using indicates a lost argument
You really think people weren't laughing at Cameron when he made his claims of war and genocide if we left? The thing is that all this doom mongering simply isn't working because for some reason the Remain side have decided to go so far over the top that no one takes them seriously. People are laughing at Remain because they have jumped the shark and now everything they say is being viewed through that prism.
But Richard it is leave who are being laughed at - and you are all talking to each other
But Big_G it is Remain who are being laughed at - and you are all talking to each other.
My advice is never to make a statement which can be reversed and used back at you.
I will make statements that I am content with and will stand by them.
So are you really trying to say people haven't been laughing at Cameron ?
A few very committed Leavers have been laughing at Cameron. Most people have no idea he even made a speech.
The people I work with laughed at Cameron - the last time they did similar was about Corbyn's 'submarines without missiles' idea.
And I seem to remember seeing a poll on this site showing the response to Cameron's 'war speech'.
Some people might be having a laugh at Cameron..but we all roared and giggled at Blair and Brown..Remember WMD..and Boom and Bust.. Gulags for Slags..the Bigot in Rochdale..45 minutes to hit UK targets..Straight sort of guy..and after that lot along comes Corbyn..and his great Submarine joke....never ending stuff..hilarious..
I am surprised that the Remain campaign have not spelt out to the Over 65 dynamic that a vote to Leave will likely mean a cut to their pension. Indeed this could in theory be replicated for anyone who derives income from the state as a contracting economy in shock from an EU exit would likely mean public spending cuts. The Over 65’s have been insulated from much of the austerity of recent years but a Brexit would induce more painful cuts.
Brexit would have no impact at all on pensions.
There will be a Remain attack on Pensions.
I am close to guaranteeing this.
*** On Topic ***
OK, let's start preparing LEAVE's response, as my poetry skills rival that of the Vogons.
1. Public pensions based on final salary will be protected.....by that nice Mr. Cameron. Rest easy NPXMP.
2. State pensions will be protected by Mr. Cameron. He can hardly deny it, can he?
3. Pensions provided by insurance companies. Speak to Equitable Life pensioners about how much protection they got in the EU.
4. Company pensioners. Ask those in the pension protection fund how they are doing thanks to pro-remain Labour's policies. There are 22,000 BHS members newly admitted. I'm sure a few will oblige.
5. Ex-EU commissioners' pensions? Screw 'em.
Artificially low interest rates and negative interest rates are like a bomb crater for pensions. It doesn't matter what the result is on the 23rd June, the sovereign debt crisis will sadly leave many with no pension where they thought they would have one. New Jersey in the US is one of a number of states that has prioritised public pensions above state debt repayment following Illinois. The results there are not pretty to say the least.
Good to see you back Hunchman.
So when is your estimate of when the days of doom begin and what's your advice in how to avoid it ?
Greetings from the Troodos mountains. Went round the Kykkos monastery today which was beautiful. Well worth a visit if you get the chance.
Will you be able to go into the Turkish side. Mt Hilarion castle and Bellapais Abbey are spectacular, as is the crusader keep in Kyrenia.
Have been to kyrenia with the castle, harbour and Bellapais Abbey as well as Famagusta.haven't been to Mt Hilarion or the monastery at the tip of the kyrenian peninsular. My 4th time in Cyprus and lots of nooks and crannies to see on the island!
I am surprised that the Remain campaign have not spelt out to the Over 65 dynamic that a vote to Leave will likely mean a cut to their pension. Indeed this could in theory be replicated for anyone who derives income from the state as a contracting economy in shock from an EU exit would likely mean public spending cuts. The Over 65’s have been insulated from much of the austerity of recent years but a Brexit would induce more painful cuts.
Brexit would have no impact at all on pensions.
There will be a Remain attack on Pensions.
I am close to guaranteeing this.
*** On Topic ***
OK, let's start preparing LEAVE's response, as my poetry skills rival that of the Vogons.
1. Public pensions based on final salary will be protected.....by that nice Mr. Cameron. Rest easy NPXMP.
2. State pensions will be protected by Mr. Cameron. He can hardly deny it, can he?
3. Pensions provided by insurance companies. Speak to Equitable Life pensioners about how much protection they got in the EU.
4. Company pensioners. Ask those in the pension protection fund how they are doing thanks to pro-remain Labour's policies. There are 22,000 BHS members newly admitted. I'm sure a few will oblige.
5. Ex-EU commissioners' pensions? Screw 'em.
Artificially low interest rates and negative interest rates are like a bomb crater for pensions. It doesn't matter what the result is on the 23rd June, the sovereign debt crisis will sadly leave many with no pension where they thought they would have one. New Jersey in the US is one of a number of states that has prioritised public pensions above state debt repayment following Illinois. The results there are not pretty to say the least.
Good to see you back Hunchman.
So when is your estimate of when the days of doom begin and what's your advice in how to avoid it ?
Eight years ago and eject Brown from Downing Street.
Dreadful scare stories from Mme Lagarde today. ....but that's good for the leave campaign. The more and more desperate the lies become the better as far as I'm concerned.
I cannot believe there is anyone in the UK that doesn't realise leaving the EU would create short term financial pain for the UK as a famous tennis player once said "You can't be serious!". There may be some who think this is worthwhile in the long term, just like the Scot Nats in their referendum, but most people will vote with their wallet. The only way Leave can win is if it is a cold, wet day and my postal vote from Malaysia (where it is never cold but always wet) is delayed!
I am surprised that the Remain campaign have not spelt out to the Over 65 dynamic that a vote to Leave will likely mean a cut to their pension. Indeed this could in theory be replicated for anyone who derives income from the state as a contracting economy in shock from an EU exit would likely mean public spending cuts. The Over 65’s have been insulated from much of the austerity of recent years but a Brexit would induce more painful cuts.
Brexit would have no impact at all on pensions.
There will be a Remain attack on Pensions.
I am close to guaranteeing this.
*** On Topic ***
OK, let's start preparing LEAVE's response, as my poetry skills rival that of the Vogons.
1. Public pensions based on final salary will be protected.....by that nice Mr. Cameron. Rest easy NPXMP.
2. State pensions will be protected by Mr. Cameron. He can hardly deny it, can he?
3. Pensions provided by insurance companies. Speak to Equitable Life pensioners about how much protection they got in the EU.
4. Company pensioners. Ask those in the pension protection fund how they are doing thanks to pro-remain Labour's policies. There are 22,000 BHS members newly admitted. I'm sure a few will oblige.
5. Ex-EU commissioners' pensions? Screw 'em.
Artificially low interest rates and negative interest rates are like a bomb crater for pensions. It doesn't matter what the result is on the 23rd June, the sovereign debt crisis will sadly leave many with no pension where they thought they would have one. New Jersey in the US is one of a number of states that has prioritised public pensions above state debt repayment following Illinois. The results there are not pretty to say the least.
Good to see you back Hunchman.
So when is your estimate of when the days of doom begin and what's your advice in how to avoid it ?
Under such arrangements the ECB single interest rate would never be inappropriate for any one country; clearly this is not the case under current arrangements.
I am not an economist, but the certainty with which that case is stated does not seem right. The US has been an integrated economy at least since the Civil War, and yet there are still times when the Fed's monetary policy is not appropriate for one or more of the regions. Why would the EU be different, particularly given the vastly disparate starting points of the various regions across any number of economic and skills parameters?
Indeed.
That's why you have a strong central government with the ability to tax, spend and redistribute money so that the combination of monetary and fiscal policy is tolerable for as much of the country as possible.
And that's why the EU is inevitably heading towards EVERCLOSERUNION as it openly states.
Someone below mentioned th Europan hey for democracy. Would this be th Europe that has had dictatorship in pretty much every country in the last century, and several in the last 50 years.
Britain has taught democracy to Europe; they are not listening and prefer technocracy.
So you are saying that all the media saw exactly the same chance to twist it in exactly the same way in spite of the fact you claim it was never actually planned to be said? That is pretty remarkable.
Well, I go by the facts of what he said. That is what we know.
Generally the media copy each other, so I don't think the fact that several of them came out with something which turned out to wrong is very surprising.
Indeed it would benefit our media if they actually reported a speech after it was made rather than before! We constantly get reports on the news like "in a speech later today...". Very often it bears little resemblence to how it was pitched. The problem is the media wanting to be the news rather than just report it.
The ones which amuse me are when someone apologises for something he was reported to be about to say but never got round to so doing.
I wouldn't necessarily blame the media, I rather suspect spin doctors try to control the media response by pre-empting the speech.
Who could fail to be amused by Red Ed forgetting the deficit though ...
Thanks MD.having a great time. Swimming in the sea, morning runs, the Troodos today and tomorrow, there is a rose festival in the village of Agros tomorrow and looking forward to seeing Chandria which is another Troodos village where there were vines growing on a huge M shape trellis above the main road in the village which was amazing to see last time I was there . Also I remember seeing widowed women wearing all black outfits in the Troodos which is a custom in Cyprus too.
I am surprised that the Remain campaign have not spelt out to the Over 65 dynamic that a vote to Leave will likely mean a cut to their pension. Indeed this could in theory be replicated for anyone who derives income from the state as a contracting economy in shock from an EU exit would likely mean public spending cuts. The Over 65’s have been insulated from much of the austerity of recent years but a Brexit would induce more painful cuts.
Brexit would have no impact at all on pensions.
There will be a Remain attack on Pensions.
I am close to guaranteeing this.
*** On Topic ***
OK, let's start preparing LEAVE's response, as my poetry skills rival that of the Vogons.
1. Public pensions based on final salary will be protected.....by that nice Mr. Cameron. Rest easy NPXMP.
2. State pensions will be protected by Mr. Cameron. He can hardly deny it, can he?
3. Pensions provided by insurance companies. Speak to Equitable Life pensioners about how much protection they got in the EU.
4. Company pensioners. Ask those in the pension protection fund how they are doing thanks to pro-remain Labour's policies. There are 22,000 BHS members newly admitted. I'm sure a few will oblige.
5. Ex-EU commissioners' pensions? Screw 'em.
Artificially low interest rates and negative interest rates are like a bomb crater for pensions. It doesn't matter what the result is on the 23rd June, the sovereign debt crisis will sadly leave many with no pension where they thought they would have one. New Jersey in the US is one of a number of states that has prioritised public pensions above state debt repayment following Illinois. The results there are not pretty to say the least.
Good to see you back Hunchman.
So when is your estimate of when the days of doom begin and what's your advice in how to avoid it ?
Eight years ago and eject Brown from Downing Street.
I think the days of doom began when Brown entered Downing Street.
My pension returns have never recovered from when he started his great pension theft.
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Good post - this great site is becoming very intimidating
It'll blow over, I suspect. But the next few weeks are going to be brutal.
Someone below mentioned th Europan hey for democracy. Would this be th Europe that has had dictatorship in pretty much every country in the last century, and several in the last 50 years.
Britain has taught democracy to Europe; they are not listening and prefer technocracy.
Vote leave.
Apart from being nonsense (Ireland, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, and Switzerland have never been dictatorships). The fact that democracy and respect for minority rights are essential requirements for EU membership is surely a very good thing, and a sign of how influential we are in Europe.
I am surprised that the Remain campaign have not spelt out to the Over 65 dynamic that a vote to Leave will likely mean a cut to their pension. Indeed this could in theory be replicated for anyone who derives income from the state as a contracting economy in shock from an EU exit would likely mean public spending cuts. The Over 65’s have been insulated from much of the austerity of recent years but a Brexit would induce more painful cuts.
Brexit would have no impact at all on pensions.
There will be a Remain attack on Pensions.
I am close to guaranteeing this.
*** On Topic ***
OK, let's start preparing LEAVE's response, as my poetry skills rival that of the Vogons.
1. Public pensions based on final salary will be protected.....by that nice Mr. Cameron. Rest easy NPXMP.
2. State pensions will be protected by Mr. Cameron. He can hardly deny it, can he?
3. Pensions provided by insurance companies. Speak to Equitable Life pensioners about how much protection they got in the EU.
4. Company pensioners. Ask those in the pension protection fund how they are doing thanks to pro-remain Labour's policies. There are 22,000 BHS members newly admitted. I'm sure a few will oblige.
5. Ex-EU commissioners' pensions? Screw 'em.
Artificially low interest rates and negative interest rates are like a bomb crater for pensions. It doesn't matter what the result is on the 23rd June, the sovereign debt crisis will sadly leave many with no pension where they thought they would have one. New Jersey in the US is one of a number of states that has prioritised public pensions above state debt repayment following Illinois. The results there are not pretty to say the least.
Good to see you back Hunchman.
So when is your estimate of when the days of doom begin and what's your advice in how to avoid it ?
We're seeing the start of a collapse in confidence in governments worldwide everywhere now! Martin armstrong's models suggest January next year when the sovereign debt crisis really begins in earnest. Stock market excluding bank and insurance stocks will do well for institutional investors and gold for private investors but it needs to make a bottom ideally around $900 first of all. The failure at $1306 last week was very telling I think. USD seems to have caned out an important boron last week although the cycles suggested next week but a 1 or 2 week displacement is perfectly normal.
Greetings from the Troodos mountains. Went round the Kykkos monastery today which was beautiful. Well worth a visit if you get the chance.
Will you be able to go into the Turkish side. Mt Hilarion castle and Bellapais Abbey are spectacular, as is the crusader keep in Kyrenia.
Have been to kyrenia with the castle, harbour and Bellapais Abbey as well as Famagusta.haven't been to Mt Hilarion or the monastery at the tip of the kyrenian peninsular. My 4th time in Cyprus and lots of nooks and crannies to see on the island!
Indeed. I grew up there - 1965-72. Wonderful memories.
I've just been on the phone to HMRC's Stamp Duty helpline, with the simplest of all conceivable simple questions about Stamp Duty on shares. My question was: if you have a share sale where more than one class of shares is being sold simultaneously (same seller and same purchaser), and on one class of shares the value of the transaction is less than the £1000 cut-off below which Stamp Duty is not payable, does the whole thing count as one related transaction (so you pay stamp duty on the whole lot), or separate transactions where you pay stamp duty only on those classes of shares where the sales value is over £1000?
Answer (after putting me on hold to check with colleagues): They have been asked this many times before, and they don't know.
What really gets me about this sort of stuff is that they have the gall to threaten directors and company secretaries with criminal sanctions for getting this sort of detail wrong, but can't answer the most trivial questions themselves.
Probably if you sought professional advice (rather than calling HMRC) the answer would be "it depends"
By the sounds of the description, it's a private transaction so it is almost certainly a related transaction (i.e. aggregated). If it was a public company with different quotes for the different classes you could make the argument you were selling into the market
Thanks MD.having a great time. Swimming in the sea, morning runs, the Troodos today and tomorrow, there is a rose festival in the village of Agros tomorrow and looking forward to seeing Chandria which is another Troodos village where there were vines growing on a huge M shape trellis above the main road in the village which was amazing to see last time I was there . Also I remember seeing widowed women wearing all black outfits in the Troodos which is a custom in Cyprus too.
We used to call them LOLIBs. Little Old Ladies in Black
What a pity. When I was a youngster the English still had enormous pride in their country and it's history.
Now many English feel they should have been born anywhere but England. They lack pride and indeed, seem to hate their country. So much so, that they would like to make it a department of the EU, and bury themselves in it's amorphous mass.
For he might have been a Prussian? A French, or Turk, or Russian? Or - perhaps - Italian! But, in spite of all temptations To belong to other nations He remains an Englishman!
So you are saying that all the media saw exactly the same chance to twist it in exactly the same way in spite of the fact you claim it was never actually planned to be said? That is pretty remarkable.
Well, I go by the facts of what he said. That is what we know.
Generally the media copy each other, so I don't think the fact that several of them came out with something which turned out to wrong is very surprising.
Indeed it would benefit our media if they actually reported a speech after it was made rather than before! We constantly get reports on the news like "in a speech later today...". Very often it bears little resemblence to how it was pitched. The problem is the media wanting to be the news rather than just report it.
The ones which amuse me are when someone apologises for something he was reported to be about to say but never got round to so doing.
I wouldn't necessarily blame the media, I rather suspect spin doctors try to control the media response by pre-empting the speech.
Who could fail to be amused by Red Ed forgetting the deficit though ...
I've almost forgotten about EdM.
It seems amazing that such a complete lightweight nearly became PM.
Some politicians are good while others are bad and some you like while others you don't.
But EdM was so insignificant, so insubstantial, so vapid, so ephemeral.
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The Leavers have got their pitch forks out for any person or organisation that breathes a word of criticism of Brexit is going to get a dozen nasty comments from the usual suspects. I think most will gradually drop off till after June 23rd and leave them to it.
So you are saying that all the media saw exactly the same chance to twist it in exactly the same way in spite of the fact you claim it was never actually planned to be said? That is pretty remarkable.
Well, I go by the facts of what he said. That is what we know.
Generally the media copy each other, so I don't think the fact that several of them came out with something which turned out to wrong is very surprising.
Indeed it would benefit our media if they actually reported a speech after it was made rather than before! We constantly get reports on the news like "in a speech later today...". Very often it bears little resemblence to how it was pitched. The problem is the media wanting to be the news rather than just report it.
The ones which amuse me are when someone apologises for something he was reported to be about to say but never got round to so doing.
I wouldn't necessarily blame the media, I rather suspect spin doctors try to control the media response by pre-empting the speech.
Who could fail to be amused by Red Ed forgetting the deficit though ...
I've almost forgotten about EdM.
It seems amazing that such a complete lightweight nearly became PM.
Some politicians are good while others are bad and some you like while others you don't.
But EdM was so insignificant, so insubstantial, so vapid, so ephemeral.
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The Leavers have got their pitch forks out for any person or organisation that breathes a word of criticism of Brexit is going to get a dozen nasty comments from the usual suspects. I think most will gradually drop off till after June 23rd and leave them to it.
Anyone on here with specialist knowledge in brazilian politics and where they see things going from here?
It's been a pretty dodgy process - and the successors are at least as implicated in corruption as Dilma was. The most important issue is the survival of a functioning democracy and free press - fwiw, I think these things will survive. What is needed right now is a government that will take urgent action to address the country's severe economic problems, which have been pretty much neglected for the last six months.
To sight a referendum in full flow With all prognostication made extreme And evidence withheld from public show Is not debate but clouded acid dream
Yet more doom-laden shrieks Remain foretell As Leave deny authority its voice Cacophony of two competing Hells And voters left bemused to make their choice
But withered lying under both sides' feet The attribute they claim to make their own Democracy needs light, not too much heat For fragile mandate out of votes is grown
A win impelled but only out of fear Ensures another referendum near
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The Leavers have got their pitch forks out for any person or organisation that breathes a word of criticism of Brexit is going to get a dozen nasty comments from the usual suspects. I think most will gradually drop off till after June 23rd and leave them to it.
The Bexit referendum is essentially a Tory party succession battle, spilling over into the body politic, while onlookers are bemused. Only blues and purples are allowed at this fight.
Sorry but having heard the interview your account is not biased, it is pure fantasy.
You would say that but it is becoming an unsustainable position that everyone is wrong and only leave is right. Leave will need a better narrative by the time of the debates to have any form of creditability
I never said everyone was wrong. I said that your account of what Longworth said is fantasy.
And the credibility gap remains with Remain. In case you noticed people are laughing at you not with you.;
No Richard - you are all talking to each other and convincing each other. I do respect your views but like several posters on here have said this forum is becoming very unpleasant and some are giving up until after the 23rd June. I do not want to do that but I will defend my points of view and hopeful argue with respect. Abuse (not you) as some are using indicates a lost argument
no one takes them seriously. People are laughing at Remain because they have jumped the shark and now everything they say is being viewed through that prism.
But Richard it is leave who are being laughed at - and you are all talking to each other
But Big_G it is Remain who are being laughed at - and you are all talking to each other.
My advice is never to make a statement which can be reversed and used back at you.
I will make statements that I am content with and will stand by them.
So are you really trying to say people haven't been laughing at Cameron ?
A few very committed Leavers have been laughing at Cameron. Most people have no idea he even made a speech.
The people I work with laughed at Cameron - the last time they did similar was about Corbyn's 'submarines without missiles' idea.
And I seem to remember seeing a poll on this site showing the response to Cameron's 'war speech'.
Fair enough - I live in a parallel universe in which there is almost no referendum chat, let alone laughter. We haven't even seen any leaflets round here, let alone campaigning. I assumed my experience was a common one, but clearly not.
Anyone on here with specialist knowledge in brazilian politics and where they see things going from here?
It's been a pretty dodgy process - and the successors are at least as implicated in corruption as Dilma was. The most important issue is the survival of a functioning democracy and free press - fwiw, I think these things will survive. What is needed right now is a government that will take urgent action to address the country's severe economic problems, which have been pretty much neglected for the last six months.
Dilma has not been charged with anything criminal. Half of the MPs voting against her have corruption allegations against them.
Mr. EPG, whilst the atmosphere is tense, the dung is not flung in one direction only.
As for Labour and Green supporters, their numbers declined sharply following the General Election.
I don't think that is strictly true. This site is currently dominated by half a dozen Leave posters who post obsessively and try to intimidate anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Actually the claim that Northern Ireland will suffer particularly badly from Brexit is uncontentious, surely.
Yep, if we are going to be controlling immigration from the EU post-Brexit, full checks at the UK/Irish border will have to come into force. That should go down well.
Ireland isn't in Schengen
But it does have free movement for EU citizens, as does NI currently. That will not be the case post-Brexit.
That actually doesn't matter, there would still be need for physical border checks in Ireland unless they decided to join Schengen.
Different checks, though. We will be seeking to prevent people coming into the UK to look for work. Anyone from the EU can enter Ireland to look for work. Currently, if they then head up to NI it doesn't matter. Post-Brexit it will.
I suspect we'd just put checks on the mainland. I don't know how many EU migrants head for the bright lights of Belfast...but assume it's fewer than want to go to London
I've just been on the phone to HMRC's Stamp Duty helpline, with the simplest of all conceivable simple questions about Stamp Duty on shares. My question was: if you have a share sale where more than one class of shares is being sold simultaneously (same seller and same purchaser), and on one class of shares the value of the transaction is less than the £1000 cut-off below which Stamp Duty is not payable, does the whole thing count as one related transaction (so you pay stamp duty on the whole lot), or separate transactions where you pay stamp duty only on those classes of shares where the sales value is over £1000?
Answer (after putting me on hold to check with colleagues): They have been asked this many times before, and they don't know.
What really gets me about this sort of stuff is that they have the gall to threaten directors and company secretaries with criminal sanctions for getting this sort of detail wrong, but can't answer the most trivial questions themselves.
Probably if you sought professional advice (rather than calling HMRC) the answer would be "it depends"
By the sounds of the description, it's a private transaction so it is almost certainly a related transaction (i.e. aggregated). If it was a public company with different quotes for the different classes you could make the argument you were selling into the market
The taxation system is excessively and increasingly complicated.
I almost have sympathy for HMRC but they are far too willing to threaten businesses if forms are not completed in the required manner and required time and rarely willing to admit error and offer recompense for their increasing number of fuckups.
Greetings from the Troodos mountains. Went round the Kykkos monastery today which was beautiful. Well worth a visit if you get the chance.
The Troodos mountains are something of a holy site for geologists as they contain the ophiolite complexes - sections of the lower crust and mantle that were pushed up during the collision between the African and European plates. Very rare and a great insight into the interior of our earth.
Absolutely. A very special place. And wonderfully refreshing breezes today away from the heat on the plains below.
Nearly got sent there 60 years ago to shoot at the locals. Thank God for the EU!
There was a sly poster called Rod, whose forecasts seemed handed from God People roared with such scorn, but with their betslips all torn Rod grinned, on his tod, with his wad...
To sight a referendum in full flow With all prognostication made extreme And evidence withheld from public show Is not debate but clouded acid dream
Yet more doom-laden shrieks Remain foretell As Leave deny authority its voice Cacophony of two competing Hells And voters left bemused to make their choice
But withered lying under both sides' feet The attribute they claim to make their own Democracy needs light, not too much heat For fragile mandate out of votes is grown
A win impelled but only out of fear Ensures another referendum near
I am surprised that the Remain campaign have not spelt out to the Over 65 dynamic that a vote to Leave will likely mean a cut to their pension. Indeed this could in theory be replicated for anyone who derives income from the state as a contracting economy in shock from an EU exit would likely mean public spending cuts. The Over 65’s have been insulated from much of the austerity of recent years but a Brexit would induce more painful cuts.
Brexit would have no impact at all on pensions.
There will be a Remain attack on Pensions.
I am close to guaranteeing this.
*** On Topic ***
OK, let's start preparing LEAVE's response, as my poetry skills rival that of the Vogons.
1. Public pensions based on final salary will be protected.....by that nice Mr. Cameron. Rest easy NPXMP.
2. State pensions will be protected by Mr. Cameron. He can hardly deny it, can he?
3. Pensions provided by insurance companies. Speak to Equitable Life pensioners about how much protection they got in the EU.
4. Company pensioners. Ask those in the pension protection fund how they are doing thanks to pro-remain Labour's policies. There are 22,000 BHS members newly admitted. I'm sure a few will oblige.
5. Ex-EU commissioners' pensions? Screw 'em.
Artificially low interest rates and negative interest rates are like a bomb crater for pensions. It doesn't matter what the result is on the 23rd June, the sovereign debt crisis will sadly leave many with no pension where they thought they would have one. New Jersey in the US is one of a number of states that has prioritised public pensions above state debt repayment following Illinois. The results there are not pretty to say the least.
Good to see you back Hunchman.
So when is your estimate of when the days of doom begin and what's your advice in how to avoid it ?
Anyone on here with specialist knowledge in brazilian politics and where they see things going from here?
It's been a pretty dodgy process - and the successors are at least as implicated in corruption as Dilma was. The most important issue is the survival of a functioning democracy and free press - fwiw, I think these things will survive. What is needed right now is a government that will take urgent action to address the country's severe economic problems, which have been pretty much neglected for the last six months.
Dilma has not been charged with anything criminal. Half of the MPs voting against her have corruption allegations against them.
As I said it was a dodgy process. But don't shed any tears for her or PT: they presided over the Petrobras scandal which saw by some estimates 2% of GDP disappear into the pockets of their functionaries and supporters.
Just a comment on the leave reaction to these "reports". They need to gag the muppets who shout conspiracy etc. It makes them and by extension the leave campaign sound a little unhinged. They maybe but the leave campaign isn't.
The issue I have with these "independent" reports is that whilst they haven't been going each others homework, they seem to use the same starting point, same model and same assumptions so end up with the same result. Not a surprise. The thing to do is to point out that the assumptions are counter to what many leavers want; Firstly it assumes the regulations stay as is, we take an age to get a trade deal with the EU and then only start trade deals with others afterwards and then only slowly.
Assumptions 1 and 3 are not likely and that is being polite.
In other news I have a blog, where I have debunked the treasury and OECDs numbers on "GDP per household)
Mr. EPG, whilst the atmosphere is tense, the dung is not flung in one direction only.
As for Labour and Green supporters, their numbers declined sharply following the General Election.
I don't think that is strictly true. This site is currently dominated by half a dozen Leave posters who post obsessively and try to intimidate anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Whereas certain of the Remainers completely denigrate the intelligence of Leavers for simply disagreeing with them. Pot calling the kettle black.
I never said everyone was wrong. I said that your account of what Longworth said is fantasy.
And the credibility gap remains with Remain. In case you noticed people are laughing at you not with you.;
No Richard - you are all talking to each other and convincing each other. I do respect your views but like several posters on here have said this forum is becoming very unpleasant and some are giving up until after the 23rd June. I do not want to do that but I will defend my points of view and hopeful argue with respect. Abuse (not you) as some are using indicates a lost argument
no one takes them seriously. People are laughing at Remain because they have jumped the shark and now everything they say is being viewed through that prism.
But Richard it is leave who are being laughed at - and you are all talking to each other
But Big_G it is Remain who are being laughed at - and you are all talking to each other.
My advice is never to make a statement which can be reversed and used back at you.
I will make statements that I am content with and will stand by them.
So are you really trying to say people haven't been laughing at Cameron ?
A few very committed Leavers have been laughing at Cameron. Most people have no idea he even made a speech.
The people I work with laughed at Cameron - the last time they did similar was about Corbyn's 'submarines without missiles' idea.
And I seem to remember seeing a poll on this site showing the response to Cameron's 'war speech'.
Fair enough - I live in a parallel universe in which there is almost no referendum chat, let alone laughter. We haven't even seen any leaflets round here, let alone campaigning. I assumed my experience was a common one, but clearly not.
It seems similar to my world.
Which is why people at work laughing at Cameron's 'war speech' was so notable.
As I said, the last time they had a similar response was to Corbyn's 'submarines without missiles' idea. I don't think politicians being ridiculed once every four months makes my workplace a hotbed of political involvement.
There was a sly poster called Rod, whose forecasts seemed handed from God People roared with such scorn, but with their betslips all torn Rod grinned, on his tod, with his wad...
I have to say I am really frustrated at some of the leave campaign. It seems a no brainer, and fisking these "authoritative reports" isn't hard, but chewing the leg of the nearest table doesn't make you look good.
This child who was taken out of school for a holiday, was 6 years old.
Six. Years. Old.
And the authorities are complaining that she might lose out over her GCSEs...
... that she will be taking in 10 years' time.
And now the government wants to change the law as the parent 'got away with it'.
They really do think that "state knows best". No wonder they love the EU.
In most of the EU they would not be fined. This is a UK idiocy.
We should adopt European policy then.
We don't need to. The case was won by the parents not the school.
Not for long.
We need to leave the EU, and show people a documentary on how Switzerland works. They keep their politicians on a very short leash. Sounds like a good idea to me.
I'm a Boro supporter, and I had really wanted to see Brighton and Hughton get through the play offs (they've had a remarkable season), but after their monumental whinging about the (deserved) Stephens red card I really don't care anymore.
Anyone on here with specialist knowledge in brazilian politics and where they see things going from here?
It's been a pretty dodgy process - and the successors are at least as implicated in corruption as Dilma was. The most important issue is the survival of a functioning democracy and free press - fwiw, I think these things will survive. What is needed right now is a government that will take urgent action to address the country's severe economic problems, which have been pretty much neglected for the last six months.
Dilma has not been charged with anything criminal. Half of the MPs voting against her have corruption allegations against them.
As I said it was a dodgy process. But don't shed any tears for her or PT: they presided over the Petrobras scandal which saw by some estimates 2% of GDP disappear into the pockets of their functionaries and supporters.
Just a comment on the leave reaction to these "reports". They need to gag the muppets who shout conspiracy etc. It makes them and by extension the leave campaign sound a little unhinged. They maybe but the leave campaign isn't.
The issue I have with these "independent" reports is that whilst they haven't been going each others homework, they seem to use the same starting point, same model and same assumptions so end up with the same result. Not a surprise. The thing to do is to point out that the assumptions are counter to what many leavers want; Firstly it assumes the regulations stay as is, we take an age to get a trade deal with the EU and then only start trade deals with others afterwards and then only slowly.
Assumptions 1 and 3 are not likely and that is being polite.
In other news I have a blog, where I have debunked the treasury and OECDs numbers on "GDP per household)
Welcome back to PB Benedict.
Good points... Hopefully someone from LEAVE is tuning in tonight and sees this post.
I agree with this, and because I am Scot, with the extra perspective and complication of Scotland having equivalent issues. I am very sympathetic to the idea of being master of our ship, whether the ship is Britain or Scotland. But the world we live in is a globalised one. What problem are we actually solving, or indeed realistically can solve, through isolation? You go through a huge amount of hassle and end up with something less than what you have already or it looks very similar to what you have already.
Of course, it's not isolation that Leave are proposing.
As I said last night (I had to give a short speech) our home was built by an American who chose to move to London to use it as the base of his global commercial operation. The decorate is quite unique - drawing on our shared cultural heritage with both the US and Europe (Dumas and Hawthorne are two of the most prominent references) but outward looking as symbolised by the use of the Santa Maria as the weathervane.
Anyone on here with specialist knowledge in brazilian politics and where they see things going from here?
It's been a pretty dodgy process - and the successors are at least as implicated in corruption as Dilma was. The most important issue is the survival of a functioning democracy and free press - fwiw, I think these things will survive. What is needed right now is a government that will take urgent action to address the country's severe economic problems, which have been pretty much neglected for the last six months.
Dilma has not been charged with anything criminal. Half of the MPs voting against her have corruption allegations against them.
As I said it was a dodgy process. But don't shed any tears for her or PT: they presided over the Petrobras scandal which saw by some estimates 2% of GDP disappear into the pockets of their functionaries and supporters.
Isn't that standard practice in Latin America ?
It's a rather more diverse and complex continent than your post suggests. The powerful and educated middle class in Brazil have certainly played a crucial role in Dilma's downfall, and they will be keeping a close eye on her successors.
Just a comment on the leave reaction to these "reports". They need to gag the muppets who shout conspiracy etc. It makes them and by extension the leave campaign sound a little unhinged. They maybe but the leave campaign isn't.
The issue I have with these "independent" reports is that whilst they haven't been going each others homework, they seem to use the same starting point, same model and same assumptions so end up with the same result. Not a surprise. The thing to do is to point out that the assumptions are counter to what many leavers want; Firstly it assumes the regulations stay as is, we take an age to get a trade deal with the EU and then only start trade deals with others afterwards and then only slowly.
Assumptions 1 and 3 are not likely and that is being polite.
In other news I have a blog, where I have debunked the treasury and OECDs numbers on "GDP per household)
Welcome back to PB Benedict.
Good points... Hopefully someone from LEAVE is tuning in tonight and sees this post.
I've been trying to tweet some of them sense, too few are listening. Here is my reaction to the OECD and the treasury:
Just a comment on the leave reaction to these "reports". They need to gag the muppets who shout conspiracy etc. It makes them and by extension the leave campaign sound a little unhinged. They maybe but the leave campaign isn't.
The issue I have with these "independent" reports is that whilst they haven't been going each others homework, they seem to use the same starting point, same model and same assumptions so end up with the same result. Not a surprise. The thing to do is to point out that the assumptions are counter to what many leavers want; Firstly it assumes the regulations stay as is, we take an age to get a trade deal with the EU and then only start trade deals with others afterwards and then only slowly.
Assumptions 1 and 3 are not likely and that is being polite.
In other news I have a blog, where I have debunked the treasury and OECDs numbers on "GDP per household)
Welcome back to PB Benedict.
Good points... Hopefully someone from LEAVE is tuning in tonight and sees this post.
they seem to use the same starting point, same model and same assumptions so end up with the same result. Not a surprise
That is exactly right, and the list of dubious assumptions is longer still than you allow.
Just a comment on the leave reaction to these "reports". They need to gag the muppets who shout conspiracy etc. It makes them and by extension the leave campaign sound a little unhinged. They maybe but the leave campaign isn't.
The issue I have with these "independent" reports is that whilst they haven't been going each others homework, they seem to use the same starting point, same model and same assumptions so end up with the same result. Not a surprise. The thing to do is to point out that the assumptions are counter to what many leavers want; Firstly it assumes the regulations stay as is, we take an age to get a trade deal with the EU and then only start trade deals with others afterwards and then only slowly.
Assumptions 1 and 3 are not likely and that is being polite.
In other news I have a blog, where I have debunked the treasury and OECDs numbers on "GDP per household)
Welcome back to PB Benedict.
Good points... Hopefully someone from LEAVE is tuning in tonight and sees this post.
they seem to use the same starting point, same model and same assumptions so end up with the same result. Not a surprise
That is exactly right, and the list of dubious assumptions is longer still than you allow.
I'd be grateful if you could add to them as I am drafting an article for my *cough* blog. Did you know I had one?
I note someone asked if the IMF if their last forecast (against George Osbourne's policy) proved accurate. I would like to know the last time the IMF made an accurate forecast. (Or indeed the OECD or treasury)
The Remainers are sounding like the bloke who says to a woman:
Would have sex with me for £1m? I'll think about it OK in the meantime will you sex with me for £5? What type of woman do you think I am? We've already established that, now we're negotiating the price.
Actually the claim that Northern Ireland will suffer particularly badly from Brexit is uncontentious, surely.
Yep, if we are going to be controlling immigration from the EU post-Brexit, full checks at the UK/Irish border will have to come into force. That should go down well.
Ireland isn't in Schengen
But it does have free movement for EU citizens, as does NI currently. That will not be the case post-Brexit.
That actually doesn't matter, there would still be need for physical border checks in Ireland unless they decided to join Schengen.
Different checks, though. We will be seeking to prevent people coming into the UK to look for work. Anyone from the EU can enter Ireland to look for work. Currently, if they then head up to NI it doesn't matter. Post-Brexit it will.
I suspect we'd just put checks on the mainland. I don't know how many EU migrants head for the bright lights of Belfast...but assume it's fewer than want to go to London
Bloody good job too.
If all those Catholic Poles in the British Isles had headed for Northern Ireland they would have changed the political complexion of the province, which has only recently returned to "an acceptable level of violence."
Anyone on here with specialist knowledge in brazilian politics and where they see things going from here?
No specialist, but I live here and studied Political Science, so it may help.
What do you want to know?
To resume things here. Dilma was never a politician, Lula created her, so when she took the presidency she didn't know how to deal with what we call "coalition presidencialism", and she played down the importance that Congress has here, specially PMDB (the biggest party here).
She is suffering the impeachment not only because of our worsening economy, but because Congress is angry with the fact that they didn't have their demands fulfilled. Impeachment is essencially a political process and what she is suffering is political. Is it a coup? There are a lot of controversies here about this. Some defend that she did with budget deficit was always done, others think it's different.
The Supreme Court, until now, has said that things are being done as the Constitution says, but our Supreme Court is very political too.
What has happened here is something common in parlamentarism, when the prime minister loses support of the Parliament, there's a no vote confidence. The difference is that we are a presidencialism and the fact that she has lost the confidence of the Congress should not be an excuse for her impeachment.
Just a comment on the leave reaction to these "reports". They need to gag the muppets who shout conspiracy etc. It makes them and by extension the leave campaign sound a little unhinged. They maybe but the leave campaign isn't.
The issue I have with these "independent" reports is that whilst they haven't been going each others homework, they seem to use the same starting point, same model and same assumptions so end up with the same result. Not a surprise. The thing to do is to point out that the assumptions are counter to what many leavers want; Firstly it assumes the regulations stay as is, we take an age to get a trade deal with the EU and then only start trade deals with others afterwards and then only slowly.
Assumptions 1 and 3 are not likely and that is being polite.
In other news I have a blog, where I have debunked the treasury and OECDs numbers on "GDP per household)
Welcome back to PB Benedict.
Good points... Hopefully someone from LEAVE is tuning in tonight and sees this post.
I've been trying to tweet some of them sense, too few are listening. Here is my reaction to the OECD and the treasury:
Comments
I almost forgot the name of Perdiccas' brother earlier today (Alcetas, obviously). Loathsome when things like that slip the mind.
And we all can do with taking time away from this site now and again.
But why no clerihews or haikus?
I am not an economist, but the certainty with which that case is stated does not seem right. The US has been an integrated economy at least since the Civil War, and yet there are still times when the Fed's monetary policy is not appropriate for one or more of the regions. Why would the EU be different, particularly given the vastly disparate starting points of the various regions across any number of economic and skills parameters?
And I seem to remember seeing a poll on this site showing the response to Cameron's 'war speech'.
So when is your estimate of when the days of doom begin and what's your advice in how to avoid it ?
I am not an economist, but the certainty with which that case is stated does not seem right. The US has been an integrated economy at least since the Civil War, and yet there are still times when the Fed's monetary policy is not appropriate for one or more of the regions. Why would the EU be different, particularly given the vastly disparate starting points of the various regions across any number of economic and skills parameters?
Indeed.
That's why you have a strong central government with the ability to tax, spend and redistribute money so that the combination of monetary and fiscal policy is tolerable for as much of the country as possible.
And that's why the EU is inevitably heading towards EVERCLOSERUNION as it openly states.
Britain has taught democracy to Europe; they are not listening and prefer technocracy.
Vote leave.
My pension returns have never recovered from when he started his great pension theft.
There, that's got you worried now ;wink:
http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/review-last-of-us-remastered-ps4.html
By the sounds of the description, it's a private transaction so it is almost certainly a related transaction (i.e. aggregated). If it was a public company with different quotes for the different classes you could make the argument you were selling into the market
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/731197512015482882
Is that really the best argument from Labour to stay in the EU?
A French, or Turk, or Russian?
Or - perhaps - Italian!
But, in spite of all temptations
To belong to other nations
He remains an Englishman!
It seems amazing that such a complete lightweight nearly became PM.
Some politicians are good while others are bad and some you like while others you don't.
But EdM was so insignificant, so insubstantial, so vapid, so ephemeral.
Be nice. And if you feel grumpy, cheer yourself up with a comedy of some sort, perhaps written by a morris dancing F1 enthusiast.
Very good:
http://bigthink.com/videos/john-cleese-on-political-correctness
By the way, John Major was brilliant ! I remember we underestimated him 1992 and he suckered us.
http://www.cityam.com/241034/eu-referendum-former-prime-minister-sir-john-major-attacks-some-fellow-conservatives-for-morphing-into-ukip-with-immigration-arguments
This child who was taken out of school for a holiday, was 6 years old.
Six. Years. Old.
And the authorities are complaining that she might lose out over her GCSEs...
... that she will be taking in 10 years' time.
And now the government wants to change the law as the parent 'got away with it'.
They really do think that "state knows best". No wonder they love the EU.
With all prognostication made extreme
And evidence withheld from public show
Is not debate but clouded acid dream
Yet more doom-laden shrieks Remain foretell
As Leave deny authority its voice
Cacophony of two competing Hells
And voters left bemused to make their choice
But withered lying under both sides' feet
The attribute they claim to make their own
Democracy needs light, not too much heat
For fragile mandate out of votes is grown
A win impelled but only out of fear
Ensures another referendum near
Now that the locals are over, Labour is moving onto REMAIN in a big way. Apart from a few eccentric MPs, the party is united to REMAIN.
I don't think that is strictly true. This site is currently dominated by half a dozen Leave posters who post obsessively and try to intimidate anyone who doesn't agree with them.
I almost have sympathy for HMRC but they are far too willing to threaten businesses if forms are not completed in the required manner and required time and rarely willing to admit error and offer recompense for their increasing number of fuckups.
whose forecasts seemed handed from God
People roared with such scorn,
but with their betslips all torn
Rod grinned, on his tod, with his wad...
The issue I have with these "independent" reports is that whilst they haven't been going each others homework, they seem to use the same starting point, same model and same assumptions so end up with the same result. Not a surprise. The thing to do is to point out that the assumptions are counter to what many leavers want; Firstly it assumes the regulations stay as is, we take an age to get a trade deal with the EU and then only start trade deals with others afterwards and then only slowly.
Assumptions 1 and 3 are not likely and that is being polite.
In other news I have a blog, where I have debunked the treasury and OECDs numbers on "GDP per household)
Which is why people at work laughing at Cameron's 'war speech' was so notable.
As I said, the last time they had a similar response was to Corbyn's 'submarines without missiles' idea. I don't think politicians being ridiculed once every four months makes my workplace a hotbed of political involvement.
crocked.
I have to say I am really frustrated at some of the leave campaign. It seems a no brainer, and fisking these "authoritative reports" isn't hard, but chewing the leg of the nearest table doesn't make you look good.
Good points... Hopefully someone from LEAVE is tuning in tonight and sees this post.
As I said last night (I had to give a short speech) our home was built by an American who chose to move to London to use it as the base of his global commercial operation. The decorate is quite unique - drawing on our shared cultural heritage with both the US and Europe (Dumas and Hawthorne are two of the most prominent references) but outward looking as symbolised by the use of the Santa Maria as the weathervane.
They're each probably afraid not to meddle within their own 'territory' lest the other makes a meddle grab.
http://aconservatives.blogspot.com/2016/04/the-oecds-creative-accounting-on-brexit.html
http://aconservatives.blogspot.com/2016/04/osbornes-accountancy-is-very-creative.html
Not heard anything like the above from leave.
That is exactly right, and the list of dubious assumptions is longer still than you allow.
I note someone asked if the IMF if their last forecast (against George Osbourne's policy) proved accurate. I would like to know the last time the IMF made an accurate forecast. (Or indeed the OECD or treasury)
Excuse my excited stammer.
If all those Catholic Poles in the British Isles had headed for Northern Ireland they would have changed the political complexion of the province, which has only recently returned to "an acceptable level of violence."
What do you want to know?
To resume things here. Dilma was never a politician, Lula created her, so when she took the presidency she didn't know how to deal with what we call "coalition presidencialism", and she played down the importance that Congress has here, specially PMDB (the biggest party here).
She is suffering the impeachment not only because of our worsening economy, but because Congress is angry with the fact that they didn't have their demands fulfilled. Impeachment is essencially a political process and what she is suffering is political. Is it a coup? There are a lot of controversies here about this. Some defend that she did with budget deficit was always done, others think it's different.
The Supreme Court, until now, has said that things are being done as the Constitution says, but our Supreme Court is very political too.
What has happened here is something common in parlamentarism, when the prime minister loses support of the Parliament, there's a no vote confidence. The difference is that we are a presidencialism and the fact that she has lost the confidence of the Congress should not be an excuse for her impeachment.
Do I support it? Yes, but it's kind of a coup.