The Tory wets (for want of a more abusive term) need to find a Stop Boris candidate, acceptable to a Leave-dominated base. Once again, I refer honourable PBers to the answer I gave some years ago.
I suppose since in theory at least you are trying to make money out of betting then your obsessiveness about this is understandable. But excruciating.
Meantime if you want to know why we have a deficit then the Times reports - ''The Royal Bank of Scotland was given approval to shelter more than £1 billion in tax through “abusive” film-based avoidance schemes ... HMRC approved the claims despite several instances in which RBS applied for tax relief twice on the same movie, a controversial practice known as “double dipping”. By acting both as producer and “first acquirer”, the bank is understood to have sheltered about £800 million through just one Harry Potter film.''
What an idiot that George Osborne is I hear you say... ''Between 1999 and 2005, RBS bought rights to blockbuster movies from US film studios including at least three Harry Potter films, Batman Begins, Charlie & the Chocolate Factory and Eyes Wide Shut. The bank claimed tax relief on each purchase, which typically cost more than £100 million a time.''
All under Gordon Browns watch. And of course this is just one company. No wonder Osborne found our tax collecting in a total shambles when he entered the Treasury. Likewise what the tories found at the Ministry of Defence.
''RBS was allowed to avoid paying significant tax on several other blockbusters, including Eyes Wide Shut and the World is Not Enough, by selling the films to Eurotunnel, the operator of the Channel Tunnel.'' !!!!! No wonder RBS went bust if this was their idea of banking.
Gove polls worse than Osborne. If it is Remain Osborne will ensure he takes over on a joint ticket with Javid if it is Leave Boris wins
Glad to see that your views continue, like a graceful ship of state, not to be troubled by either events or emerging realities. In a changing world, HYUFD can be relied upon to repeat his predictions ad infinitem....
Well that is the reality, the result of EU ref will determine whether Osborne or Boris is Tory leader whether you wish to dismiss my views or not!
Disagree. Whilst the result of the vote may be the trigger for Cameron's departure, it will not be the simple either or that you suggest.
Actually, I think I would happily lay Boris and Osborne at the moment - events have suggested they are now less likely to win a leadership contest.
My book agrees with you, a big lay on George and a massive one on Boris from May when he was evens. My nightmare scenario is that the PCP put up George and Boris, I'm irrecoverably underwater if that happens
Don't worry. You are just relying on the good sense of the Tory bankbenchers
I'm sure they will see sense eventually! *starts backing outsiders and saving up some cash*
The Tory wets (for want of a more abusive term) need to find a Stop Boris candidate, acceptable to a Leave-dominated base. Once again, I refer honourable PBers to the answer I gave some years ago.
Which is?
Priti, naturally.
Ive been thinking that. She come across very well on radio yesterday.
The Tory wets (for want of a more abusive term) need to find a Stop Boris candidate, acceptable to a Leave-dominated base. Once again, I refer honourable PBers to the answer I gave some years ago.
Which is?
Priti, naturally.
As candidate for the wets? Che?
(I nearly replied with the single word "wet?" but I thought that might be too much for your blood pressure.)
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
Isn't the right characterisation "ineffectual petulant child"? Makes a lot of noise, achieves little, insults those who point out the emperor's lack of clothes, tries to humilate his opponents when he sees the opportunity even if it undermines his overall objectives. As any parent of toddlers knows, "brutal bully and wimp" are two characteristics the average 2 year old executes to perfection.
The Tory wets (for want of a more abusive term) need to find a Stop Boris candidate, acceptable to a Leave-dominated base. Once again, I refer honourable PBers to the answer I gave some years ago.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
tsk John, there are still 4 years to go, lots of chances for other entrants.
The Tory wets (for want of a more abusive term) need to find a Stop Boris candidate, acceptable to a Leave-dominated base. Once again, I refer honourable PBers to the answer I gave some years ago.
Which is?
Priti, naturally.
Ive been thinking that. She come across very well on radio yesterday.
Her view that we can reinstate the death penalty, as the justice system doesn't make mistakes, probably disqualifies her from high office.
If she'd been a bit more nuanced: say, "I support the death penalty for premeditated murder, because it is the most heinous of crimes. Of course, when one proposes the ultimate penalty, we need to be aware that our justice system - although among the finest in the world - will occasionally make mistakes. I am aware that additional safeguards, to ensure that we do not make a mistake that cannot be reversed, will be needed." Then I could have supported her. But...
Interesting what you say about Gove. Polling and my own anecdotal experience suggest he is very unpopular indeed. However the first isn't arguably not worth that much as most people won't know who he is and my experience may be misleading. If you were a Tory I would suspect you were just blinded to Gove's unpopularity by party loyalty but clearly that doesn't apply.
May has been the obvious choice for the Tories all along if they are focused on winning an election. They are not, though, as they think the election is unlosable.
I have a soft spot for anyone who has good manners and is mildly self-deprecating (and am allergic to flamboyant egotists), so I'm not a reliable sample. But I've heard others speak well of his prison efforts. And basically most people, as you say, have never heard of him.
I think his looks are slightly against him (he doesn't appear to be a colossus bestriding the stage), but that shouldn't matter and people will get used to them. There have been plenty of party leaders who aren't necessarily catwalk models.
The Tory wets (for want of a more abusive term) need to find a Stop Boris candidate, acceptable to a Leave-dominated base. Once again, I refer honourable PBers to the answer I gave some years ago.
Boris Johnson is a backbencher with no Cabinet experience. All he has done is be Mayor of London which puts him on a par with Ken Livingstone. In opposition a party may not have much option after General Election defeat, but in power why would it choose a backbencher ? And in the case of say Liam Fox why would it choose a former front bencher who when given an opportunity went and made a total tit of himself?
Indeed where is the eurosceptic right winger who is not an absolute tit?
The Tory wets (for want of a more abusive term) need to find a Stop Boris candidate, acceptable to a Leave-dominated base. Once again, I refer honourable PBers to the answer I gave some years ago.
Which is?
Priti, naturally.
Ive been thinking that. She come across very well on radio yesterday.
Her view that we can reinstate the death penalty, as the justice system doesn't make mistakes, probably disqualifies her from high office.
If she'd been a bit more nuanced: say, "I support the death penalty for premeditated murder, because it is the most heinous of crimes. Of course, when one proposes the ultimate penalty, we need to be aware that our justice system - although among the finest in the world - will occasionally make mistakes. I am aware that additional safeguards, to ensure that we do not make a mistake that cannot be reversed, will be needed." Then I could have supported her. But...
See my following post!!!
Also her time as a tobacco lobbyist could prove problematic.
The Tory wets (for want of a more abusive term) need to find a Stop Boris candidate, acceptable to a Leave-dominated base. Once again, I refer honourable PBers to the answer I gave some years ago.
Which is?
Priti, naturally.
As candidate for the wets? Che?
(I nearly replied with the single word "wet?" but I thought that might be too much for your blood pressure.)
No, not a representative of the wets, but a non-Boris dry who could beat him in a vote of the rank and file.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
Boris' notion is a bit stupid and he should not be surprised at being told so.
The Tory wets (for want of a more abusive term) need to find a Stop Boris candidate, acceptable to a Leave-dominated base. Once again, I refer honourable PBers to the answer I gave some years ago.
Boris Johnson is a backbencher with no Cabinet experience. All he has done is be Mayor of London which puts him on a par with Ken Livingstone. In opposition a party may not have much option after General Election defeat, but in power why would it choose a backbencher ? And in the case of say Liam Fox why would it choose a former front bencher who when given an opportunity went and made a total tit of himself?
Indeed where is the eurosceptic right winger who is not an absolute tit?
Graham Brady. Trusted by the backbenchers. They always vote him in as 1922 chairman. Has a real powerbase with them.
They are apparently planning a military top brass scare letter to get us to stay in the EU. There really aren't any depths to which they won't stoop.
The same EU that has lost control of it's borders, and has no idea who or what is entering?
Military cooperation is down to NATO. The Eurocrats need to steer well clear - look at the mess Baroness Ashton got herself and us into in the Ukraine. Nearly started a war.
The Tory wets (for want of a more abusive term) need to find a Stop Boris candidate, acceptable to a Leave-dominated base. Once again, I refer honourable PBers to the answer I gave some years ago.
Boris Johnson is a backbencher with no Cabinet experience. All he has done is be Mayor of London which puts him on a par with Ken Livingstone. In opposition a party may not have much option after General Election defeat, but in power why would it choose a backbencher ? And in the case of say Liam Fox why would it choose a former front bencher who when given an opportunity went and made a total tit of himself?
Indeed where is the eurosceptic right winger who is not an absolute tit?
Graham Brady. Trusted by the backbenchers. They always vote him in as 1922 chairman. Has a real powerbase with them.
Resigned over grammar schools which gives him a principled angle over a real issue rather than just being an anti-Dave candidate. Would also appeal to soft-UKIP voters.
Of course he's wrong over grammar schools, but being wrong's never held anyone back in politics before...
In the Commons yesterday, Cameron stated that 1 million!!!! finance jobs were in Glasgow and Edinburgh and Leave woud put them at risk. Wrong by several zero digits I'd reckon.
Not 1 million people living in the two of them never mind finance jobs. He really is Billy Fibber
As I recall from the debate Cameron said there were more financial jobs outside London than in it.
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
In the Commons yesterday, Cameron stated that 1 million!!!! finance jobs were in Glasgow and Edinburgh and Leave woud put them at risk. Wrong by several zero digits I'd reckon.
Not 1 million people living in the two of them never mind finance jobs. He really is Billy Fibber
As I recall from the debate Cameron said there were more financial jobs outside London than in it.
That's one of those "true but incredibly misleading" statistics, I suspect.
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem.
Theresa May.
Obvious, innit?
(Assuming a Remain result, of course)
Yes, never really a fan of hers but there's plenty worse!
Interesting what you say about Gove. Polling and my own anecdotal experience suggest he is very unpopular indeed. However the first isn't arguably not worth that much as most people won't know who he is and my experience may be misleading. If you were a Tory I would suspect you were just blinded to Gove's unpopularity by party loyalty but clearly that doesn't apply.
May has been the obvious choice for the Tories all along if they are focused on winning an election. They are not, though, as they think the election is unlosable.
I have a soft spot for anyone who has good manners and is mildly self-deprecating (and am allergic to flamboyant egotists), so I'm not a reliable sample. But I've heard others speak well of his prison efforts. And basically most people, as you say, have never heard of him.
I think his looks are slightly against him (he doesn't appear to be a colossus bestriding the stage), but that shouldn't matter and people will get used to them. There have been plenty of party leaders who aren't necessarily catwalk models.
I'm a fan of his myself actually but he does appear to be very unpopular.
He is the only plausible Prime Minister amongst the Leave contingent.
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem.
Theresa May.
Obvious, innit?
(Assuming a Remain result, of course)
If the Tories choose May then I take back any disobliging remarks about them not taking the election seriously.
In the Commons yesterday, Cameron stated that 1 million!!!! finance jobs were in Glasgow and Edinburgh and Leave woud put them at risk. Wrong by several zero digits I'd reckon.
Not 1 million people living in the two of them never mind finance jobs. He really is Billy Fibber
As I recall from the debate Cameron said there were more financial jobs outside London than in it.
That's one of those "true but incredibly misleading" statistics, I suspect.
Don't forget that Deutsche has a big data processing centre in Bournemouth or somewhere, and I think Barclaycard has a big office up in Northampton
But they really should look at GVA not headcount.
edit. Northampton not Nottingham. Easy mistake to make
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem.
Theresa May.
Obvious, innit?
(Assuming a Remain result, of course)
May's big agenda was getting immigration down, and she doubled down on it during conferenc speech. Yet its actually gone up.
I think combination of failing immigration hawks, 'betraying' Leavers and upsetting libertarians will sink her.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
It was the nine minute warning via text that he was backing Leave that did it. Especially after intimating he was backing Remain.
All acts of a copper bottomed shit who is egregiously unfit to be leader of the Conservative Party of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Nearly as much warning as Pig Dog Reckless gave Dave when he defected to UKIP.
In the Commons yesterday, Cameron stated that 1 million!!!! finance jobs were in Glasgow and Edinburgh and Leave woud put them at risk. Wrong by several zero digits I'd reckon.
Not 1 million people living in the two of them never mind finance jobs. He really is Billy Fibber
As I recall from the debate Cameron said there were more financial jobs outside London than in it.
That's one of those "true but incredibly misleading" statistics, I suspect.
Don't forget that Deutsche has a big data processing centre in Bournemouth or somewhere, and I think Barclaycard has a big office up in Northampton
But they really should look at GVA not headcount.
edit. Northampton not Nottingham. Easy mistake to make
And don't forget that every retail bank branch will have 20 employees...
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
By all accounts (I accept we here will never know) he had transmitted pretty strong assurances to Cameron that he would support Remain, but then ratted at the last minute for his leadership ambitions. Every other Leaver, Gove, Villiers, Grayling, my own MP Dom Raab, have behaved with integrity and deserve respect during the campaign.
In the Commons yesterday, Cameron stated that 1 million!!!! finance jobs were in Glasgow and Edinburgh and Leave woud put them at risk. Wrong by several zero digits I'd reckon.
Not 1 million people living in the two of them never mind finance jobs. He really is Billy Fibber
As I recall from the debate Cameron said there were more financial jobs outside London than in it.
That's one of those "true but incredibly misleading" statistics, I suspect.
Don't forget that Deutsche has a big data processing centre in Bournemouth or somewhere, and I think Barclaycard has a big office up in Nottingham(?)
But they really should look at GVA not headcount.
Barclaycard is in Northampton. And a lot of financial institutions have moved back office to the Bournemouth area. JP Morgan are there too.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
I personally think a phone call would have been more polite than a text, but I agree, he's not behaved appallingly.
In the Commons yesterday, Cameron stated that 1 million!!!! finance jobs were in Glasgow and Edinburgh and Leave woud put them at risk. Wrong by several zero digits I'd reckon.
Not 1 million people living in the two of them never mind finance jobs. He really is Billy Fibber
As I recall from the debate Cameron said there were more financial jobs outside London than in it.
That's one of those "true but incredibly misleading" statistics, I suspect.
Don't forget that Deutsche has a big data processing centre in Bournemouth or somewhere, and I think Barclaycard has a big office up in Northampton
But they really should look at GVA not headcount.
edit. Northampton not Nottingham. Easy mistake to make
And don't forget that every retail bank branch will have 20 employees...
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
By all accounts (I accept we here will never know) he had transmitted pretty strong assurances to Cameron that he would support Remain, but then ratted at the last minute for his leadership ambitions. Every other Leaver, Gove, Villiers, Grayling, my own MP Dom Raab, have behaved with integrity and deserve respect during the campaign.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
It was the nine minute warning via text that he was backing Leave that did it. Especially after intimating he was backing Remain.
All acts of a copper bottomed shit who is egregiously unfit to be leader of the Conservative Party of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Nearly as much warning as Pig Dog Reckless gave Dave more when he defected to UKIP.
Oh come on. You know the sort of briefing trashing him Cameron would have put out had he had advanced notice.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
By all accounts (I accept we here will never know) he had transmitted pretty strong assurances to Cameron that he would support Remain, but then ratted at the last minute for his leadership ambitions. Every other Leaver, Gove, Villiers, Grayling, my own MP Dom Raab, have behaved with integrity and deserve respect during the campaign.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
I personally think a phone call would have been more polite than a text, but I agree, he's not behaved appallingly.
Text went after he emailed him earlier and didn't get a reply.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
It was the nine minute warning via text that he was backing Leave that did it. Especially after intimating he was backing Remain.
All acts of a copper bottomed shit who is egregiously unfit to be leader of the Conservative Party of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Nearly as much warning as Pig Dog Reckless gave Dave more when he defected to UKIP.
Oh come on. You know the sort of briefing trashing him Cameron would have put out had he had advanced notice.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
It was the nine minute warning via text that he was backing Leave that did it. Especially after intimating he was backing Remain.
All acts of a copper bottomed shit who is egregiously unfit to be leader of the Conservative Party of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Nearly as much warning as Pig Dog Reckless gave Dave more when he defected to UKIP.
Oh come on. You know the sort of briefing trashing him Cameron would have put out had he had advanced notice.
You mean like the briefings against the other cabinet outers? Oh wait.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
It was the nine minute warning via text that he was backing Leave that did it. Especially after intimating he was backing Remain.
All acts of a copper bottomed shit who is egregiously unfit to be leader of the Conservative Party of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Nearly as much warning as Pig Dog Reckless gave Dave more when he defected to UKIP.
Oh come on. You know the sort of briefing trashing him Cameron would have put out had he had advanced notice.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
It was the nine minute warning via text that he was backing Leave that did it. Especially after intimating he was backing Remain.
All acts of a copper bottomed shit who is egregiously unfit to be leader of the Conservative Party of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Nearly as much warning as Pig Dog Reckless gave Dave more when he defected to UKIP.
Oh come on. You know the sort of briefing trashing him Cameron would have put out had he had advanced notice.
Hmm. There was no briefing trashing Gove.
Gove was a friend, not a rival.
Has Grayling been trashed? Or Villiers? Or Patel? Or IDS? Or Whittingdale? Or anyone apart from the indirect swipe at Boris?
In the Commons yesterday, Cameron stated that 1 million!!!! finance jobs were in Glasgow and Edinburgh and Leave woud put them at risk. Wrong by several zero digits I'd reckon.
Not 1 million people living in the two of them never mind finance jobs. He really is Billy Fibber
As I recall from the debate Cameron said there were more financial jobs outside London than in it.
That's one of those "true but incredibly misleading" statistics, I suspect.
Don't forget that Deutsche has a big data processing centre in Bournemouth or somewhere, and I think Barclaycard has a big office up in Northampton
But they really should look at GVA not headcount.
edit. Northampton not Nottingham. Easy mistake to make
And don't forget that every retail bank branch will have 20 employees...
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem.
Theresa May.
Obvious, innit?
(Assuming a Remain result, of course)
May's big agenda was getting immigration down, and she doubled down on it during conferenc speech. Yet its actually gone up.
I think combination of failing immigration hawks, 'betraying' Leavers and upsetting libertarians will sink her.
In the Commons yesterday, Cameron stated that 1 million!!!! finance jobs were in Glasgow and Edinburgh and Leave woud put them at risk. Wrong by several zero digits I'd reckon.
Not 1 million people living in the two of them never mind finance jobs. He really is Billy Fibber
As I recall from the debate Cameron said there were more financial jobs outside London than in it.
That's one of those "true but incredibly misleading" statistics, I suspect.
Don't forget that Deutsche has a big data processing centre in Bournemouth or somewhere, and I think Barclaycard has a big office up in Northampton
But they really should look at GVA not headcount.
edit. Northampton not Nottingham. Easy mistake to make
And don't forget that every retail bank branch will have 20 employees...
Mahmood Faiz, Director, James William Estate Agents
Allen Hogan, Managing Director, Hogan's Cider Ltd
John Harries, Proprietor, Three Horseshoes Inn (!!!)
If I read on down I wonder if Mickey Mouse or Elvis are on there as well...
To be fair that plays down one line I thought could work to Leave's advantage. That Remain is supported by Big Business and Leave is supported by Small Business.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
By all accounts (I accept we here will never know) he had transmitted pretty strong assurances to Cameron that he would support Remain, but then ratted at the last minute for his leadership ambitions. Every other Leaver, Gove, Villiers, Grayling, my own MP Dom Raab, have behaved with integrity and deserve respect during the campaign.
which way are you swinging Mr O ?
Ooh, you are awful.....
Back to Remain.
John, my friend and his colleagues have analysed the protections for the City of London/The Financial Services industry.
They've concluded they aren't robust as they'd like, and reliant on others in the EU rather than us having a veto/protection.
HOWEVER, all things considered they will be recommending me and others vote Remain, as Leave have yet to even address if we'll still have access to all the advantages of the single market/the financial passport.
Regardless of whether Boris has been naughty or nice he has not, so far, looked like he has a grip. His problem yesterday was not that Cameron attacked him but that he seemed unprepared and feeble in response. It's not the sign of a future leader that backbenchers are asking the current leader to be kind to him.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
By all accounts (I accept we here will never know) he had transmitted pretty strong assurances to Cameron that he would support Remain, but then ratted at the last minute for his leadership ambitions. Every other Leaver, Gove, Villiers, Grayling, my own MP Dom Raab, have behaved with integrity and deserve respect during the campaign.
which way are you swinging Mr O ?
Ooh, you are awful.....
Back to Remain.
John, my friend and his colleagues have analysed the protections for the City of London/The Financial Services industry.
They've concluded they aren't robust as they'd like, and reliant on others in the EU rather than us having a veto/protection.
HOWEVER, all things considered they will be recommending me and others vote Remain, as Leave have yet to even address if we'll still have access to all the advantages of access to the single market/the financial passport.
The most likely (and most rational) outcome is that they will, but you can't guarantee it as it will be the result of a negotiation
p.s you mean @Cyclefree was right yesterday. Now there's a surprise
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem.
Theresa May.
Obvious, innit?
(Assuming a Remain result, of course)
I'd agree save one point.
May does at times exude a somewhat sour disposition. I'm not intimating that she adopt a forced Blair smile but the ability to empathize, genuine or not, smile and appear more clubbable would go a long way.
Clearly a long stint at the Home Office does not enhance the chuckle muscles but even "The Great She Elephant" was often amused and showed it whilst retaining the nuclear handbag for necessary chastisement of the errant faithful and non believers.
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem.
Theresa May.
Obvious, innit?
(Assuming a Remain result, of course)
I'd agree save one point.
May does at times exude a somewhat sour disposition. I'm not intimating that she adopt a forced Blair smile but the ability to empathize, genuine or not, smile and appear more clubbable would go a long way.
Clearly a long stint at the Home Office does not enhance the chuckle muscles but even "The Great She Elephant" was often amused and showed it whilst retaining the nuclear handbag for necessary chastisement of the errant faithful and non believers.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the party that the referendum debate is already getting so personal.
One Outer who likes Cameron observes sadly that ‘he was silly letting his temper show but it was sadly typical. He finds being challenged irksome’. Cameron probably also feels that the Mayor was a bit of a tease right up to the last minute, whereupon he humiliated him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
By all accounts (I accept we here will never know) he had transmitted pretty strong assurances to Cameron that he would support Remain, but then ratted at the last minute for his leadership ambitions. Every other Leaver, Gove, Villiers, Grayling, my own MP Dom Raab, have behaved with integrity and deserve respect during the campaign.
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem. Theresa May. Obvious, innit? (Assuming a Remain result, of course)
The increasing number of immigrants will eventually bring her down. Added to her support for Remain, she is finished.
Boris Johnson looked liked a naughty schoolboy, the geeky, dishevelled posh lad who everyone takes the piss out of, when he stood up in the commons yesterday. Someone even shouted "tuck yer shirt in, Boris! " at him, he looked that bad. He actually looked nervous. I don't really have a dog in this fight, I'm mildly on the out side, but could be persuaded either way.
The big thing is who will be next PM, as we're guaranteed a new one soon. I don't think it's Boris, on his last performance. He's sort of shat his own nest with his antics over the weekend. Personally, I like him...........as a TV pundit, Journo and all round comedian. He's clever, witty, self deprecating. As a Prime Minister? I think not. In fact I hope not.
Really, now, his only chance is to get fully on board with Out, and to take control. I don't think he's got it in him, though.
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem.
Theresa May.
Obvious, innit?
(Assuming a Remain result, of course)
I'd agree save one point.
May does at times exude a somewhat sour disposition. I'm not intimating that she adopt a forced Blair smile but the ability to empathize, genuine or not, smile and appear more clubbable would go a long way.
Clearly a long stint at the Home Office does not enhance the chuckle muscles but even "The Great She Elephant" was often amused and showed it whilst retaining the nuclear handbag for necessary chastisement of the errant faithful and non believers.
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem.
Theresa May.
Obvious, innit?
(Assuming a Remain result, of course)
I'd agree save one point.
May does at times exude a somewhat sour disposition. I'm not intimating that she adopt a forced Blair smile but the ability to empathize, genuine or not, smile and appear more clubbable would go a long way.
Clearly a long stint at the Home Office does not enhance the chuckle muscles but even "The Great She Elephant" was often amused and showed it whilst retaining the nuclear handbag for necessary chastisement of the errant faithful and non believers.
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem.
Theresa May.
Obvious, innit?
(Assuming a Remain result, of course)
I'd agree save one point.
May does at times exude a somewhat sour disposition.
Let's be brutally honest. She fails the Meeks Patented Addams Family test....
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem.
Theresa May.
Obvious, innit?
(Assuming a Remain result, of course)
I'd agree save one point.
May does at times exude a somewhat sour disposition. I'm not intimating that she adopt a forced Blair smile but the ability to empathize, genuine or not, smile and appear more clubbable would go a long way.
Clearly a long stint at the Home Office does not enhance the chuckle muscles but even "The Great She Elephant" was often amused and showed it whilst retaining the nuclear handbag for necessary chastisement of the errant faithful and non believers.
I find Osbone very clubbable
In that you'd like to club him to death?
when those big baby seal pup eyes look up at you........ and then you think of your pension.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
By all accounts (I accept we here will never know) he had transmitted pretty strong assurances to Cameron that he would support Remain, but then ratted at the
which way are you swinging Mr O ?
Ooh, you are awful.....
Back to Remain.
John, my friend and his colleagues have analysed the protections for the City of London/The Financial Services industry.
They've concluded they aren't robust as they'd like, and reliant on others in the EU rather than us having a veto/protection.
HOWEVER, all things considered they will be recommending me and others vote Remain, as Leave have yet to even address if we'll still have access to all the advantages of access to the single market/the financial passport.
The most likely (and most rational) outcome is that they will, but you can't guarantee it as it will be the result of a negotiation
p.s you mean @Cyclefree was right yesterday. Now there's a surprise
His view is the EU have handled the Eurozone/Greek and Immigrant crisises very badly, they will deal with Brexit just as badly.
Plus they might harsh on us in the exit terms to stop others leaving. pour encourager les autres
Dear oh dear. The Independent's article on Boris is really quite scathing. Boris is a very charming, narcissistic, psychopath. People like him are just prone to major screw ups. It is the nature of the beast.
Can we please return back to Corbyn is crap threads because the leave Europe debate has lost before it has started with Boris's half cock intervention only making a sinking ship tilt further.
Cameron has just had his finest week, and perhaps the best week of any PM since a youthful Blair stepped into the Diana death mayhem with such aplomb.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
By all accounts (I accept we here will never know) he had transmitted pretty strong assurances to Cameron that he would support Remain, but then ratted at the
which way are you swinging Mr O ?
Ooh, you are awful.....
Back to Remain.
John, my friend and his colleagues have analysed the protections for the City of London/The Financial Services industry.
They've concluded they aren't robust as they'd like, and reliant on others in the EU rather than us having a veto/protection.
HOWEVER, all things considered they will be recommending me and others vote Remain, as Leave have yet to even address if we'll still have access to all the advantages of access to the single market/the financial passport.
The most likely (and most rational) outcome is that they will, but you can't guarantee it as it will be the result of a negotiation
p.s you mean @Cyclefree was right yesterday. Now there's a surprise
His view is the EU have handled the Eurozone/Greek and Immigrant crisises very badly, they will deal with Brexit just as badly.
Plus they might harsh on us in the exit terms to stop others leaving. pour encourager les autres
I don't want to be the member of a club that will threaten me to stop me leaving
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem. Theresa May. Obvious, innit? (Assuming a Remain result, of course)
The increasing number of immigrants will eventually bring her down. Added to her support for Remain, she is finished.
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem.
Theresa May.
Obvious, innit?
(Assuming a Remain result, of course)
I'd agree save one point.
May does at times exude a somewhat sour disposition. I'm not intimating that she adopt a forced Blair smile but the ability to empathize, genuine or not, smile and appear more clubbable would go a long way.
Clearly a long stint at the Home Office does not enhance the chuckle muscles but even "The Great She Elephant" was often amused and showed it whilst retaining the nuclear handbag for necessary chastisement of the errant faithful and non believers.
Mr. Eagles, that's an argument for the certainty of servitude over the uncertainty of freedom.
Better to be in servitude and earning millions/billions than being free and not having a pot to piss in
During Portillo's US railroad trip he talked about the US Civil War, and it occurred to me that the black slaves who fled to the North were taking a risk. Perhaps they should stuck to what they knew?
Who was the wag who shouted "Who are you? " at Corbyn yesterday? That was probably the funniest thing I've ever seen in the house of commons. Pure comedy genius.
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem.
Theresa May.
Obvious, innit?
(Assuming a Remain result, of course)
I'd agree save one point.
May does at times exude a somewhat sour disposition. I'm not intimating that she adopt a forced Blair smile but the ability to empathize, genuine or not, smile and appear more clubbable would go a long way.
Clearly a long stint at the Home Office does not enhance the chuckle muscles but even "The Great She Elephant" was often amused and showed it whilst retaining the nuclear handbag for necessary chastisement of the errant faithful and non believers.
Interesting. I think May has a rather charming smile when she uses it in interviews. You're right that she often doesn't use it.
Imo (and this is just a hunch) she would connect very well with swing voters who would find her reasonable and reassuring. She would also provide a change in style from Cameron without herself appearing weird or extreme.
At the party meeting with the Prime Minister last night, MPs including Steve Baker asked Cameron to ‘be nice to Boris’, not because they are particularly worried about the Mayor’s spirit being crushed but because there is some dismay in the him.
"A bit of a tease"? By any measure Boris Johnson behaved appallingly. He deserves what he got. It was still a mistake on the Prime Minister's part, of course.
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
I imagine David Davis must be feeling a bit sour having lost the crown of Tory Shit of the Decade to Boris.
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
By all accounts (I accept we here will never know) he had transmitted pretty strong assurances to Cameron that he would support Remain, but then ratted at the
which way are you swinging Mr O ?
Ooh, you are awful.....
Back to Remain.
John, my friend and his colleagues have analysed the protections for the City of London/The Financial Services industry.
They've concluded they aren't robust as they'd like, and reliant on others in the EU rather than us having a veto/protection.
HOWEVER, all things considered they will be recommending me and others vote Remain, as Leave have yet to even address if we'll still have access to all the advantages of access to the single market/the financial passport.
The most likely (and most rational) outcome is that they will, but you can't guarantee it as it will be the result of a negotiation
p.s you mean @Cyclefree was right yesterday. Now there's a surprise
His view is the EU have handled the Eurozone/Greek and Immigrant crisises very badly, they will deal with Brexit just as badly.
Plus they might harsh on us in the exit terms to stop others leaving. pour encourager les autres
I don't want to be the member of a club that will threaten me to stop me leaving
I suspect that the party will go for a unifying candidate, one from either side of this European split - look out for a Cabinet member who clearly is only softly supporting Leave or Remain.
Ahem.
Theresa May.
Obvious, innit?
(Assuming a Remain result, of course)
I'd agree save one point.
May does at times exude a somewhat sour disposition. I'm not intimating that she adopt a forced Blair smile but the ability to empathize, genuine or not, smile and appear more clubbable would go a long way.
Clearly a long stint at the Home Office does not enhance the chuckle muscles but even "The Great She Elephant" was often amused and showed it whilst retaining the nuclear handbag for necessary chastisement of the errant faithful and non believers.
I find Osbone very clubbable
Indeed. But for me Ozzie has a little of the Michael Howard's about him - "Something Of The Night" .... although it's more Kenneth Williams comedy Dracula rather than Michael Howard's full blooded incarnation.
Boris was hailed as the New Messiah, but he's just a naughty boy.
And the cheerleaders are now blaming Cameron for that
Indeed - There is only one EU referendum on the table and the PM was right to scotch the silly meme that there would be a second. As for Boris’ question on sovereignty, it was very poor and easily batted away. – Boris’ strengths are his charm and a popularity that crosses the political divide, it is not it would appear at the dispatch box.
Who was the wag who shouted "Who are you? " at Corbyn yesterday? That was probably the funniest thing I've ever seen in the house of commons. Pure comedy genius.
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/22/brexit-eu-referendum-top-firms-sign-letter-times-pro-eu-shell-easyjet-bae-systems-supermarkets-sainsbury-morrisons-tesco
Meantime if you want to know why we have a deficit then the Times reports -
''The Royal Bank of Scotland was given approval to shelter more than £1 billion in tax through “abusive” film-based avoidance schemes ... HMRC approved the claims despite several instances in which RBS applied for tax relief twice on the same movie, a controversial practice known as “double dipping”. By acting both as producer and “first acquirer”, the bank is understood to have sheltered about £800 million through just one Harry Potter film.''
What an idiot that George Osborne is I hear you say...
''Between 1999 and 2005, RBS bought rights to blockbuster movies from US film studios including at least three Harry Potter films, Batman Begins, Charlie & the Chocolate Factory and Eyes Wide Shut. The bank claimed tax relief on each purchase, which typically cost more than £100 million a time.''
All under Gordon Browns watch. And of course this is just one company. No wonder Osborne found our tax collecting in a total shambles when he entered the Treasury.
Likewise what the tories found at the Ministry of Defence.
''RBS was allowed to avoid paying significant tax on several other blockbusters, including Eyes Wide Shut and the World is Not Enough, by selling the films to Eurotunnel, the operator of the Channel Tunnel.'' !!!!!
No wonder RBS went bust if this was their idea of banking.
(I nearly replied with the single word "wet?" but I thought that might be too much for your blood pressure.)
Incidentally, Leavers need a more coherent story about the Prime Minister. They'll struggle to persuade the public that he's both a brutal bully and a wimp.
Isn't the right characterisation "ineffectual petulant child"? Makes a lot of noise, achieves little, insults those who point out the emperor's lack of clothes, tries to humilate his opponents when he sees the opportunity even if it undermines his overall objectives. As any parent of toddlers knows, "brutal bully and wimp" are two characteristics the average 2 year old executes to perfection.
tsk John, there are still 4 years to go, lots of chances for other entrants.
If she'd been a bit more nuanced: say, "I support the death penalty for premeditated murder, because it is the most heinous of crimes. Of course, when one proposes the ultimate penalty, we need to be aware that our justice system - although among the finest in the world - will occasionally make mistakes. I am aware that additional safeguards, to ensure that we do not make a mistake that cannot be reversed, will be needed." Then I could have supported her. But...
I think his looks are slightly against him (he doesn't appear to be a colossus bestriding the stage), but that shouldn't matter and people will get used to them. There have been plenty of party leaders who aren't necessarily catwalk models.
In opposition a party may not have much option after General Election defeat, but in power why would it choose a backbencher ? And in the case of say Liam Fox why would it choose a former front bencher who when given an opportunity went and made a total tit of himself?
Indeed where is the eurosceptic right winger who is not an absolute tit?
Also her time as a tobacco lobbyist could prove problematic.
Boris' notion is a bit stupid and he should not be surprised at being told so.
Military cooperation is down to NATO. The Eurocrats need to steer well clear - look at the mess Baroness Ashton got herself and us into in the Ukraine. Nearly started a war.
Of course he's wrong over grammar schools, but being wrong's never held anyone back in politics before...
Theresa May.
Obvious, innit?
(Assuming a Remain result, of course)
He is the only plausible Prime Minister amongst the Leave contingent.
http://election-data.co.uk/#/ar_2302
Both main parties are in la-la-land.
But they really should look at GVA not headcount.
edit. Northampton not Nottingham. Easy mistake to make
Miisa Mink, Chairperson, Nordic Bakery Limited
Raman Sehgal, Director, Ramarketing & PR Ltd
Jane Field, Owner/Founder, Jonny’s Sister
Mahmood Faiz, Director, James William Estate Agents
Allen Hogan, Managing Director, Hogan's Cider Ltd
John Harries, Proprietor, Three Horseshoes Inn (!!!)
If I read on down I wonder if Mickey Mouse or Elvis are on there as well...
I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
I think combination of failing immigration hawks, 'betraying' Leavers and upsetting libertarians will sink her.
It was the nine minute warning via text that he was backing Leave that did it. Especially after intimating he was backing Remain.
All acts of a copper bottomed shit who is egregiously unfit to be leader of the Conservative Party of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Nearly as much warning as Pig Dog Reckless gave Dave when he defected to UKIP.
By all accounts (I accept we here will never know) he had transmitted pretty strong assurances to Cameron that he would support Remain, but then ratted at the last minute for his leadership ambitions. Every other Leaver, Gove, Villiers, Grayling, my own MP Dom Raab, have behaved with integrity and deserve respect during the campaign.
http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/162533/junior-banking-jobs-in-uk-locations-you-probably-havent-thought-of/
I personally think a phone call would have been more polite than a text, but I agree, he's not behaved appallingly.
which way are you swinging Mr O ?
All acts of a copper bottomed shit who is egregiously unfit to be leader of the Conservative Party of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Nearly as much warning as Pig Dog Reckless gave Dave more when he defected to UKIP.
Oh come on. You know the sort of briefing trashing him Cameron would have put out had he had advanced notice.
Ooh, you are awful.....
Back to Remain.
Text went after he emailed him earlier and didn't get a reply.
Hmm. There was no briefing trashing Gove.
You mean like the briefings against the other cabinet outers? Oh wait.
Gove was a friend, not a rival.
Cameron has alienated many of his personal supporters totally unnecessarily.
It may have made him feel better for half an hour, yet look at the fallout. I'm never been a paricular Boris fan but why exactly did he behave appallingly. Was it because he ruined the PMs carefully choreographed stage show at the weekend? Like Boris was I'm still on the fence in this debate but overt control freakery is something that never appeals.
Has Grayling been trashed? Or Villiers? Or Patel? Or IDS? Or Whittingdale? Or anyone apart from the indirect swipe at Boris?
Who the fuck keeps generating shit like this? On both sides. Calling it puerile toss gives it more gravitas than it merits. Knock it off.
I'd have voted for her and said so many times here. She's backed the wrong horse.
The Leavers seem to want Boris stardust without any scrutiny.
Belgravia's the branch network
But it's still funny!
Back to Remain.
John, my friend and his colleagues have analysed the protections for the City of London/The Financial Services industry.
They've concluded they aren't robust as they'd like, and reliant on others in the EU rather than us having a veto/protection.
HOWEVER, all things considered they will be recommending me and others vote Remain, as Leave have yet to even address if we'll still have access to all the advantages of the single market/the financial passport.
This is a once-in-a-lifetime chance to vote for real change in Britain’s relations with Europe. https://t.co/r9yw42tW4U
They've concluded they aren't robust as they'd like, and reliant on others in the EU rather than us having a veto/protection.
HOWEVER, all things considered they will be recommending me and others vote Remain, as Leave have yet to even address if we'll still have access to all the advantages of access to the single market/the financial passport.
The most likely (and most rational) outcome is that they will, but you can't guarantee it as it will be the result of a negotiation
p.s you mean @Cyclefree was right yesterday. Now there's a surprise
May does at times exude a somewhat sour disposition. I'm not intimating that she adopt a forced Blair smile but the ability to empathize, genuine or not, smile and appear more clubbable would go a long way.
Clearly a long stint at the Home Office does not enhance the chuckle muscles but even "The Great She Elephant" was often amused and showed it whilst retaining the nuclear handbag for necessary chastisement of the errant faithful and non believers.
Back to Remain.
There be plenty of swingers down Hersham way ....
And the cheerleaders are now blaming Cameron for that
I don't really have a dog in this fight, I'm mildly on the out side, but could be persuaded either way.
The big thing is who will be next PM, as we're guaranteed a new one soon. I don't think it's Boris, on his last performance. He's sort of shat his own nest with his antics over the weekend. Personally, I like him...........as a TV pundit, Journo and all round comedian. He's clever, witty, self deprecating.
As a Prime Minister? I think not. In fact I hope not.
Really, now, his only chance is to get fully on board with Out, and to take control. I don't think he's got it in him, though.
p.s you mean @Cyclefree was right yesterday. Now there's a surprise
His view is the EU have handled the Eurozone/Greek and Immigrant crisises very badly, they will deal with Brexit just as badly.
Plus they might harsh on us in the exit terms to stop others leaving. pour encourager les autres
Boris is a very charming, narcissistic, psychopath. People like him are just prone to major screw ups. It is the nature of the beast.
Can we please return back to Corbyn is crap threads because the leave Europe debate has lost before it has started with Boris's half cock intervention only making a sinking ship tilt further.
Cameron has just had his finest week, and perhaps the best week of any PM since a youthful Blair stepped into the Diana death mayhem with such aplomb.
Plus they might harsh on us in the exit terms to stop others leaving. pour encourager les autres
I don't want to be the member of a club that will threaten me to stop me leaving
your arguments are less coherent than Boris'
Imo (and this is just a hunch) she would connect very well with swing voters who would find her reasonable and reassuring. She would also provide a change in style from Cameron without herself appearing weird or extreme.
Don't join White's then!
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/tory-mp-heckles-jeremy-corbyn-who-are-you/
Edit - interesting watching the Tory benches - May laughing like a drain - Boris sitting arms folded across his chest.....