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  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    How did the retread strategy do? I know about npxmp and Stroud stayed Tory.
  • So what was being called the most boring election in history has turned out to be anything but.

    Shows that the so-called expert commentators know very little indeed...
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Here goes Ed...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,937
    Brilliant.

    Miliband's So Sorry.

    Activate the Youtube!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,045
    couldn't sleep... please let the tories get 326 during his speech.. that'd be glorious :D
  • Ed Miliband has finished off a lot of labour careers.
    Himself, Curran, Balls, Johan Lamont, Dougie Alexander.... and David Miliband.
    He will now have to wake each day and ask.
    Was it worth it?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Moses_ said:

    I have to say I am very sad to see Nick CLegg resign.

    In 2010 He and the lib dems made a massive decision to join a coalition which they stood by for the entire 5 years. They did what they had to do and they for once put the country before the party and themselves.

    That alone should and must never be forgotten. History will judge them kindly even though the ballot boxes were quite cruel.


    Well done Nick I hope that this is not the last we see off you. I say the same about Danny Alexander.

    Well said
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    MikeL said:

    Polly Toynbee on BBC1!!!!!!

    I bet she's not happy...

  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Thanks to Lucy Powell. Arf.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    edited May 2015
    Gracious speech from Miliband, and confirmation he is tendering his resignation as Labour leader following this afternoon's VE Day Celebrations
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Labour holds Luton South taking them to 230 seats:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000801
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Harman leader for the 1,987-th time.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    So after SINDYRef we can add GE2015 to the victims of GOTV hubris.....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952
    dobbin said:

    Night,night everyone off to bed after TV Marathon, and thanks to everyone for making the site the delight that it is

    Amen to that.

  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Clarke is the history not the future. I'm a Conservative that supported Clarke in 2001 and wants an In vote, but we can't resist a referendum now. Its time to hold a vote and let the public decide, if they decide out then so be it. I think the party will respect the public's choice and we'll have a line in the sand drawn.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    oh Ed , destroyed your family for what?

    Ambition can be a terrible thing.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    scotslass said:

    Alanbrooke

    56 out of 59. Get used to it. The NATS won huge and Salmond's back virtue of the people of Gordon. Ho Ho Ho.


    how's that holding the balance of power going for you ?

    Ed giving in to your demands ?
  • Polly Toynbee has moved from being stuck in the seventies to being stuck in the nineties. There is no great division on Europe in the party - we'll have a referendum. Let the people decide.

    I think they'll decide by two to one to stay in and David Cameron will then retire as the man who won two elections (second outright) and two referendums (AV and Europe).

    Pollyanna back to her usual sloppy facts.
    "A dismal night for Labour – extraordinary to lose more seats than Gordon Brown lost last time."
    Er no, Miliband lost so far 48 (net 26) and Brown a net 97 loss.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/08/general-election-forget-neck-and-neck-this-was-a-terrible-trouncing
    Technically she's right. They fought 631 and lost net 48 more than Brown lost.
    No. They failed to win as many seats as Brown.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Harman leader for the 1,987-th time.

    I have a little on her for the permanent post. Surely she will be tempted to throw her hat in the ring?
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Gawn.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    Floater said:

    Moses_ said:

    I have to say I am very sad to see Nick CLegg resign.

    In 2010 He and the lib dems made a massive decision to join a coalition which they stood by for the entire 5 years. They did what they had to do and they for once put the country before the party and themselves.

    That alone should and must never be forgotten. History will judge them kindly even though the ballot boxes were quite cruel.


    Well done Nick I hope that this is not the last we see off you. I say the same about Danny Alexander.

    Well said
    Can't agree more. As Lord Steel said some naive decisions were made but were made in the national interest.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    Ed looks utterly shell shocked...
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Meanwhile, back to business.

    Clearly the assumptions most punters have been making about Next Tory Leader have changed dramatically, but the odds haven't yet changed as attention is focused elsewhere.

    Sajid Javid at 12/1.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978
    Only Brutus regrets stabbing a family member more than Ed Miliband.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952
    Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio.....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    Rod should have stuck to his original L&N forecast!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    Dan Hodges - Balls of Steel
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    Ed Miliband suddenly appearing human. It's amazing the change now the pressure is off.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    scotslass said:

    Alanbrooke

    56 out of 59. Get used to it. The NATS won huge and Salmond's back virtue of the people of Gordon. Ho Ho Ho.


    how's that holding the balance of power going for you ?

    Ed giving in to your demands ?
    Is Eck drafting Osborne's budget?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956
    A rubbish speech full of the platitudes that typify Miliband. He is certainly no Blair, or even a Brown.
  • FernandoFernando Posts: 145
    "Yes - Labour's Liverpool redoubt - hope they can find a seat for her PDQ - or might Cameron bring her into the Lords? She only lost narrowly..... " CarlottaVance

    Hope she come back to the Commons. she is a fighter. Having seen the vandalism and abuse heaped on her I can understand why the welfare system remained unreformed for so long and we ended up with record numbers of children brought up in households where no one had ever worked.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,504
    edited May 2015
    Floater said:

    oh Ed , destroyed your family for what?

    Ambition can be a terrible thing.

    There's a scene in the Simpsons where Sideshow Bob and his brother Cecil are in jail together, and Bob says: "I am not looking forward to writing your Christmas card this year," and Cecil replies, "Nor I yours".

    That's the Milibands, that is.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Barnesian said:

    Just emerging bleary-eyed after a nap after a very long night. Just in time for Clegg's resignation statement followed quickly by Ed's.

    I've learned that complex computer models based solely on polls are useless. Rubbish in - rubbish out!

    Had six winning bets (Clegg to go in 2015, Watford Con, Richmond Park Con, Kingston Con, Lab seats in Scot, Brighton Pav Green) but two big losers (Lab minority gov and Lab most seats). About £200 down.

    Ironically my investment in Berkeley Homes Group has risen by £6000 this morning now the threat of mansion tax has gone. A small consolation.

    Mine were mostly arbs. or else well-hedged; e.g., Labour most seats plus a series of Tory seat bets. Many thanks to Antifrank for the advice on his blog and this forum, and Pulpstar.

    I agree about the computer models. One of them predicted that Colchester, Eastbourne and Eastleigh were all 100% safe. Ha ha!
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    John McTernan

    "John McTernan is a British Labour Party political adviser, political strategist and commentator. He was interviewed under caution by the British police when a Number 10 Special Adviser in the cash for honours controversy, then the director of communications for Ian Gray Labour leader in Scotland who went down to a landslide defeat in 2011, then for the Australian prime minister, Julia Gillard, from September 2011 to June 2013 who was removed by her own party caucus. Most recently appointed by Jim Murphy in December 2014 to help revive the Scottish Labour Party."

    Is this guy an SNP sleeper?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516

    scotslass said:

    Alanbrooke

    56 out of 59. Get used to it. The NATS won huge and Salmond's back virtue of the people of Gordon. Ho Ho Ho.


    how's that holding the balance of power going for you ?

    Ed giving in to your demands ?
    Is Eck drafting Osborne's budget?
    5 years of neutered rage ahoy !

    so no different than the last Parliment.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    glw said:

    A rubbish speech full of the platitudes that typify Miliband. He is certainly no Blair, or even a Brown.

    I thought that was all a bit, I dunno, triumphant?
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Dave's firing up the Jag.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    scotslass said:

    Alanbrooke

    56 out of 59. Get used to it. The NATS won huge and Salmond's back virtue of the people of Gordon. Ho Ho Ho.


    how's that holding the balance of power going for you ?

    Ed giving in to your demands ?
    The prospect of Alex writing the budget was the final nail in Labours coffin. The icing on the cake was the addition of the #edstone.

    Now the SNP are going to have to listen as well as speak in order to negotiate a sensible and workable constitutional system with the Conservatives. Being stroppy will just leave them on the sidelines.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @IsabelHardman: Very good speech by Miliband. Message to party was: please get on with it and don’t split.

    Except the new leader will unilaterally discard Milibandism in all its forms
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329

    Ed Miliband has finished off a lot of labour careers.
    Himself, Curran, Balls, Johan Lamont, Dougie Alexander.... and David Miliband.
    He will now have to wake each day and ask.
    Was it worth it?

    Just think of Gordon Brown hadn't nobbled all the talent coming through before he was leader. Labour could have some good options now. Short term gain long term pain.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Sam Cam's looking great.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    glw said:

    A rubbish speech full of the platitudes that typify Miliband. He is certainly no Blair, or even a Brown.

    I thought that was all a bit, I dunno, triumphant?
    No reflection on anything that went wrong. Clueless.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Sorry to see Clegg go, he had a tough hand to play and got no thanks for it.

    Were it not for his ridiculous U-turn over the boundary changes I might have agreed with you. However, what sort of man makes a speech in favour of something then votes against it when the time comes? Politics will be better for his departure.
    I'm looking forward to my lunch, Mr Llama!

    :p
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    Whoever it is on BBC slating Milliband is absolutely spot on.


    "Do it the same way, but next time, TRY HARDER"
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956

    glw said:

    A rubbish speech full of the platitudes that typify Miliband. He is certainly no Blair, or even a Brown.

    I thought that was all a bit, I dunno, triumphant?
    Indeed, all about Labour "achievements". Err, like getting their arses kicked and annihilation in Scotland.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Aaronovich contrasting Miliband's resignation speech with the thoughtful speeches of Clegg & Murphy 'Thanks for your help - I'm off!'
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516

    scotslass said:

    Alanbrooke

    56 out of 59. Get used to it. The NATS won huge and Salmond's back virtue of the people of Gordon. Ho Ho Ho.


    how's that holding the balance of power going for you ?

    Ed giving in to your demands ?
    The prospect of Alex writing the budget was the final nail in Labours coffin. The icing on the cake was the addition of the #edstone.

    Now the SNP are going to have to listen as well as speak in order to negotiate a sensible and workable constitutional system with the Conservatives. Being stroppy will just leave them on the sidelines.

    better not tell their supporters that.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Labour is becoming a party of very limited geographical reach: London, the English core cities and Wales. They need to choose a leader who can appeal beyond those strongholds. And to devise policies that are relevant beyond those strongholds.
  • FernandoFernando Posts: 145
    EPG, one important lesson is that Cameron has won without the right-wing fringe that has gone over to UKIP. He won without them. He doesn't need them. A divided right was supposed to be doomed to defeat. He has shown it is possible to build up sufficient support in the centre-right to get a majority.
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    I hope Paddy Ashdown is currently seasoning his hat.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    The obvious business solution when a large incumbent is losing out to a small, more agile, localized competitor is to buy them out and promote their team. How much would it cost for Labour to acquire the SNP?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978
    @adamrossterry: .@FD @GeneralBoles Christ, you can actually fit the entire Lib Dem Parliamentary Party into 140 characters.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    The obvious business solution when a large incumbent is losing out to a small, more agile, localized competitor is to buy them out and promote their team. How much would it cost for Labour to acquire the SNP?

    Good idea, but a reverse takeover would work better.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @EllieCumbo: When does Russell Brand resign?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    edited May 2015

    Sam Cam's looking great.

    At least two more years of Sam Cam. Yeeeeeeeeessssss :smiley:

  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    So, urrrrrm, who else do Labour have? As if a catastrophic result wasn't bad enough for Labour, the Shadow Chancellor and Foreign Sec also lost their seats.

    Last time there was such a lack of choice that Ed Milliband was somehow (s)elected. Can't imagine who they end up with now.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @EllieCumbo: When does Russell Brand resign?
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329

    Meanwhile, back to business.

    Clearly the assumptions most punters have been making about Next Tory Leader have changed dramatically, but the odds haven't yet changed as attention is focused elsewhere.

    Sajid Javid at 12/1.

    If the Tories don't go for him for next leader then they are idiots. Comprehensive educated self made man who grew up in one of the toughest areas of bristol. Apart from the banking he has got the perfect story.
  • Have to admire how British parties quickly and cleanly dispose of failed leaders (or they dispose of themselves) and move on, compared to the U.S. Gives real hope for renewal and adaptation.

    In the U.S., who leads the House Dems? Nancy Pelosi. Who leads the Senate Dems? Harry Reid. Who's leading the charge to be next president? Hillary who flopped spectacularly in 2008 and Jeb of the unending Bush dynasty.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    Has anyone got that seats still to declare link again? Sorry.
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801

    Rod should have stuck to his original L&N forecast!

    Biggest winner of the election.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2015

    Has anyone got that seats still to declare link again? Sorry.

    8 to go:

    Overnight count (1): The Cotswolds

    Friday count (7): St Ives, Warwick, Kenilworth, Blyth Valley, Wansbeck, Hexham, Berwick.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Starz Although to be fair only 3 times have the Democrats or Republicans picked a losing candidate in the general election for a subsequent general election, Dewey, Stevenson and Nixon
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    Scott_P said:

    @EllieCumbo: When does Russell Brand resign?

    When does Paul O'Grady leave?
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    edited May 2015
    Edit ok.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    AndyJS said:

    Has anyone got that seats still to declare link again? Sorry.

    8 to go:

    Overnight count (1): The Cotswolds

    Friday count (7): St Ives, Warwick, Kenilworth, Blyth Valley, Wansbeck, Hexham, Berwick.
    Thank you!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Nemtynacht No, Cameron will be the last Tory PM for a while, Chuka Umunna will succeed him in No 10 in my view although I know many disagree
  • Conservatives hold the Cotswolds and have an overall majority.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Has anyone got that seats still to declare link again? Sorry.

    http://news.sky.com/election/results#lists-undeclared

    Looks like all 8 will be blue.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,045
    HYUFD said:

    Nemtynacht No, Cameron will be the last Tory PM for a while, Chuka Umunna will succeed him in No 10 in my view although I know many disagree

    Chuka vs. Sajid?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2015
    Conservatives hold The Cotswolds, taking them to 326 seats.

    Majority: 21,477.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000991
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    YES THEY'VE DONE IT!!! 326. It's a win.
  • NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 733

    What's wrong with St Ives? Are they all just too much drunken soaks to count accurately at night or something?

    Isles of Scilly ballot boxes need to be shipped over. :-)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,045
    AndyJS said:

    Conservatives hold The Cotswolds, taking them to 326 seats.

    May try to go to bed now... although might stay up for Cam's speech.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952
    Tory majority nailed on!

    Official
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,328
    May I congratulate and thank all on PB who kept it going last night.

    Congratulations also to Antifrank, SO, JackW, RCS100 and any others I've missed who called this right. Commiserations to others: I hope the Labour supporters - BenM, BJO etc will stay.

    An absolutely fascinating night and days to come!!! The best election night I can remember since 1992.

    I do feel sorry for the LibDems: they did the right thing in 2010 and didn't really deserve this.

    The Tories have been like a crocodile, they've smiled broadly, given them a lift across the river and then gobbled them up.

    And they seem to have done this to SLAB as well.

    A few thoughts:-

    1. How will EU leaders react? They will need to take Cameron a lot more seriously now.

    2. I hope the Tories will not become hubristic. They are entitled to gloat now - especially Cameron, who must be delighted to have proved himself - but I do hope that they will be magnanimous and gracious in the next 5 years. I echo what Fenster said last night on this.

    3. I very much hope those bone-headed EU-obsessed Tories don't ruin things over the next few years. We do not need a rerun of 1992-1997 thank you very much.

    4. How to deal with Scotland? A sensible federal solution which recognises that Scotland is to all intents and purposes a separate country is needed.

    5. The Tories must not rest on their laurels. Next time they won't face a crap Labour party. They still need to come up with a Conservatism which works for all, for those who are not wealthy or privileged, for those who don't live in London, work in the City, for those in all parts of the country. And they need to do this from now and every day.

    6. Labour need to do the hard thinking they've avoided for the last few years about what it means to be a social democratic left of centre party. Sixth-form seminar socialism is not the answer, as Phil Collins put it. Any one of us could come up with better ideas than they have been able to.

    7. Galloway, Livingstone and their ilk need to be tied to that tombstone and sent somewhere so far away that we will never hear of them again.

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Andrew said:

    So, urrrrrm, who else do Labour have? As if a catastrophic result wasn't bad enough for Labour, the Shadow Chancellor and Foreign Sec also lost their seats.

    Last time there was such a lack of choice that Ed Milliband was somehow (s)elected. Can't imagine who they end up with now.

    Ed Balls?


    Oh :-)
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
  • peterbusspeterbuss Posts: 109

    YES THEY'VE DONE IT!!! 326. It's a win.

    Absolutely brilliant.

  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    Fernando said:

    EPG, one important lesson is that Cameron has won without the right-wing fringe that has gone over to UKIP. He won without them. He doesn't need them. A divided right was supposed to be doomed to defeat. He has shown it is possible to build up sufficient support in the centre-right to get a majority.

    But all analysts agree that Tory Ukippers went home to save England from Scotland, while northern Ukippers quit Labour.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Tories hold Cotswolds , now officially a Tory majority
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,045

    Tory majority nailed on!

    Official

    Just... how. lol
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Meanwhile, back to business.

    Clearly the assumptions most punters have been making about Next Tory Leader have changed dramatically, but the odds haven't yet changed as attention is focused elsewhere.

    Sajid Javid at 12/1.

    If the Tories don't go for him for next leader then they are idiots. Comprehensive educated self made man who grew up in one of the toughest areas of bristol. Apart from the banking he has got the perfect story.
    The guy who tipped Lab 226-250 in the Post pullout also tipped that. Draw your own conclusions.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952

    Has anyone got that seats still to declare link again? Sorry.

    http://news.sky.com/election/results#lists-undeclared

    Looks like all 8 will be blue.
    Er....wanna bet on Blyth Valley?!?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    Have to admire how British parties quickly and cleanly dispose of failed leaders (or they dispose of themselves) and move on, compared to the U.S. Gives real hope for renewal and adaptation.

    In the U.S., who leads the House Dems? Nancy Pelosi. Who leads the Senate Dems? Harry Reid. Who's leading the charge to be next president? Hillary who flopped spectacularly in 2008 and Jeb of the unending Bush dynasty.

    The voters did a pretty through de-dynastificiation job, too. Ended the career of the younger Miliband, booted out half the Balls-Cooper family, fended off Will Straw. The only black mark is Neil Kinnock's son - pity Labour couldn't put up his wife instead.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    EPG said:

    Fernando said:

    EPG, one important lesson is that Cameron has won without the right-wing fringe that has gone over to UKIP. He won without them. He doesn't need them. A divided right was supposed to be doomed to defeat. He has shown it is possible to build up sufficient support in the centre-right to get a majority.

    But all analysts agree that Tory Ukippers went home to save England from Scotland, while northern Ukippers quit Labour.
    Frankly the analysts have demonstrated pretty decisively in the last 24 hours that they know and understand very little.
  • peterbusspeterbuss Posts: 109
    Fernando said:

    EPG, one important lesson is that Cameron has won without the right-wing fringe that has gone over to UKIP. He won without them. He doesn't need them. A divided right was supposed to be doomed to defeat. He has shown it is possible to build up sufficient support in the centre-right to get a majority.

    Couldn't agree more Fernando. I have longed for this day for years.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    edited May 2015
    RobD Maybe, but the EU referendum will loom large first, Redwood already on BBC this morning saying what he wanted to see, Andrew Mitchell being asked now for his views
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    The Tories have confounded the polls to finish with a majority for the first time in 23 years yet I can't help but feel sad.

    Listening to Clegg's resignation 'If our losses today are part-payment for every family that is more secure because of a job we helped create, every person with depression who is treated with the compassion they deserve, every child who does a little better in school, every apprentice with a long and rewarding career to look forward to, every gay couple who know their love is worth no less than everyone else's, and every pensioner with a little more freedom and dignity in retirement, then I hope our losses can be endured with a little selfless dignity.' combined with this tweet (https://mobile.twitter.com/IainDale/status/596626820398723072) makes me feel that we've made a terrible mistake in destroying the Lib Dems and that history will remember Cleggy as the best PM we never had.

    Even with Miliband he seems to have been at ease and even made a few decent jokes.

    A true emotional rollercoaster.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MSmithsonPB: David Cameron becomes the first public school educated CON leader to win an overall majority since Macmillan in 1959

    No more Etonians. Dave can't win here...
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    SKY: CONSERVATIVES WIN A MAJORITY

    Wow, just wow.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    @Cyclefree - I got the main event completely wrong in outline. I did well in Scotland and in my selection of constituency bets in general, and was early last night to see that the Conservatives were outperforming the exit polls enough to get an overall majority. So I did well financially, but I'm not claiming that I was any great seer of what we got. The exit poll was a bombshell to me.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    What's still left to declare?
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525

    Has anyone got that seats still to declare link again? Sorry.

    http://news.sky.com/election/results#lists-undeclared

    Looks like all 8 will be blue.
    Er....wanna bet on Blyth Valley?!?

    Has anyone got that seats still to declare link again? Sorry.

    http://news.sky.com/election/results#lists-undeclared

    Looks like all 8 will be blue.
    Er....wanna bet on Blyth Valley?!?
    Or Wansbeck??
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    EPG said:

    Fernando said:

    EPG, one important lesson is that Cameron has won without the right-wing fringe that has gone over to UKIP. He won without them. He doesn't need them. A divided right was supposed to be doomed to defeat. He has shown it is possible to build up sufficient support in the centre-right to get a majority.

    But all analysts agree that Tory Ukippers went home to save England from Scotland, while northern Ukippers quit Labour.
    Frankly the analysts have demonstrated pretty decisively in the last 24 hours that they know and understand very little.
    more importantly the electorate was nowhere near as stupid as Labour hoped they would be.

    I take comfort in that.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    edited May 2015

    EPG said:

    Fernando said:

    EPG, one important lesson is that Cameron has won without the right-wing fringe that has gone over to UKIP. He won without them. He doesn't need them. A divided right was supposed to be doomed to defeat. He has shown it is possible to build up sufficient support in the centre-right to get a majority.

    But all analysts agree that Tory Ukippers went home to save England from Scotland, while northern Ukippers quit Labour.
    Frankly the analysts have demonstrated pretty decisively in the last 24 hours that they know and understand very little.
    The analysts? I think you mean the pollsters: I am talking about where Ukip won votes and where they underperformed. People who look at realised statistics, not predictions. And the chief analyst making this case is Nigel Farage himself.
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