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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022

    Re the pollsters, it looks like the final result will have the Tories ahead by 6%.

    The polls generally had it neck and neck, some slightly the Tories ahead.

    Allowing for margin of error and a late late late swing it isn't a disaster per se.

    ICMs poll had labour improving in the last day!
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,154
    Labour gain affluent, university town Lancaster but the Conservatives hold adjacent downmarket Morecambe.
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658

    Why aren't we getting anything on vote share?

    Glad to hear Galloway lost.

    His RO reported him to the police for breaking electoral regs. No details AFAIK.

    Speaking of which, when is Tower Hamlets declaring?
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    Tony_MTony_M Posts: 70
    Plato said:

    IIRC Kent seats are largely counting this morning - is that right?

    Loads in already Ms Plato;

    Ashford, Dover, Faversham, Sevenoaks, T&M, T Wells, Dartford, Sitt & Shep, Roch & Strood off the top of my head. All blue of course! ;-)
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    PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766

    Dixie said:



    Any lessons for pollsters?

    Yep. Follow you around as you are knocking doors!

    The polls did not move during the campaign. But the voters WERE moving. Several of us were telling people. We were poo-pooed as hearing what we wanted to hear.

    NO WE FUCKING WEREN'T! There was a huge resource here that was totally ignored in favour of the polls. The polls that we told you were broken.
    Agreed. Punters and wise heads were right.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187
    This election is the pinnacle of Lynton Crosby's career. Without question.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,027
    Mr. Mark, congrats. Pooh-poohed*, though :p
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,688
    RobD said:

    Re the pollsters, it looks like the final result will have the Tories ahead by 6%.

    The polls generally had it neck and neck, some slightly the Tories ahead.

    Allowing for margin of error and a late late late swing it isn't a disaster per se.

    ICMs poll had labour improving in the last day!
    Sample size 450. MoE larger
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    RobD said:

    Re the pollsters, it looks like the final result will have the Tories ahead by 6%.

    The polls generally had it neck and neck, some slightly the Tories ahead.

    Allowing for margin of error and a late late late swing it isn't a disaster per se.

    ICMs poll had labour improving in the last day!
    It was commented at the time how all the polls were clustering...which by itself was interesting.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087
    weejonnie said:

    Feeling down but Cameron will be exposed without the Lib Dem cover.

    326 is a majority in theory - but there will be attrition, as there always is. The problem for Cameron is that there is no party of significant numbers who can (or probably would) go with him. He also has major headaches in the Economy, the West Lothian Question, Scottish nationalism and the European Referendum.

    The UK is probably much weaker now than it was 24 hours ago.
    Probably, although unfortunately I cannot see that any potential outcome would have made it particularlt strong, given some of the fundamentals, only less weak.

    Didn't expect the results out of NI
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    Re LibDem seats - is likely 8? Or are there a couple (ideally 3) more possible holds?
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Dixie said:



    Any lessons for pollsters?

    Yep. Follow you around as you are knocking doors!

    The polls did not move during the campaign. But the voters WERE moving. Several of us were telling people. We were poo-pooed as hearing what we wanted to hear.

    NO WE FUCKING WEREN'T! There was a huge resource here that was totally ignored in favour of the polls. The polls that we told you were broken.
    I'm a novice at this stuff but even I have been saying for a while now to ignore the polls, I forecast 301 Tory Mp's and didn't expect to be on the downside, in fact my biggest bet is Tory minority government and I am shocked that it looks like losing but in a good way.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Swing to the Tories in Geoffrey Robinson's Coventry NW seat:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000650
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,771
    Sad to see Tories pipped by a handful of votes in Berwickshire, more LDs should have switched to keep the SNP out.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214
    DavidL Major won a majority of 21 and 14 million votes after 13 years in power, Cameron has only been in 5 years and if he has a majority it will be in single figures, it was a good result but not quite the same
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    HYUFD said:

    Dair The Tories will be forming the government not the SNP, and they held their seat in Scotland, so it was a good night for the SNP but in no way did the Tories lose

    Sounds like a significant change of circumstances.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    edited May 2015
    Plato said:

    Is this *worse* than 1992? It feels like it.

    Yes, if only because Kinnock won 271 seats and had far fewer to gain next time.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    rcs1000 said:

    Re LibDem seats - is likely 8? Or are there a couple (ideally 3) more possible holds?

    I think they will hold Wells, but lose St Ives and Berwick
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Balls out... Miliband to follow?

    Laura Kuenssberg
    Chief correspondent, Newsnight
    Posted at 08:35
    The Balls moment - the one many people, maybe most, will remember. The political bruiser fighting back tears, talking with obvious passion and concern for his party. Loved and loathed, maybe in equal measure, as a political colleague and opponent he was probably universally respected. The scalp of such a big Labour figure, such a big part of Ed Miliband's team, surely must hasten the departure of the leader himself out of the door.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2015-32594267
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986

    Well, I knew Labour would be comfortably beaten but this is a surprise. The Midlands and London are the two places I know, Scotland was easy, but I thought Labour would do better in the NW.

    The Tories deserve to enjoy themselves this weekend, then it gets serious: they have a country to save. Let's hope it is not too late.

    Yes indeed Southam, and I don't think they can do it. The Euro referendum has all the hallmarks of the event that will kill the Union. In my heart of hearts this result isn't a surprise although the scale goes beyond what I expected. The complete lack of enthusiasm did scream 1992, and the voters have gone for the devil they know.

    Labour needs to reflect properly on where it went wrong and what it stands for in the C21, and take time to choose a new leader. Having a couple of credible female candidates would be a very good start. With a Nicola Sturgeon type in charge who could actually communicate with ordinary people, they could have been at parity in this election.

    I'm afraid that the unions are a massive millstone round Labour's neck. They are backward looking and unwilling to challenge comfortable beliefs forged many decades ago. Labour needs to start again, but can't because of the unions.

    I'm not sure I share this view but leaving that to one side, the Conservatives are up half a percentage point in votes and have swept to victory. This was won by Jim Messina and the voter-targetting boffins imo.

    FPTP has swung back to favour the Tories, that is for sure; but Labour was never a credible alternative government and EdM was an abysmal leader. How does that change next time when the people who put Ed in charge carry so much weight?

    what will unite do is the big question for labour. Can they carry the public whilst being in hock to the unions?

    The unions are the problem because they are so conservative and backward looking. They do great work for their members, but politically they inhabit a country far away from most English people. And that prevents Labour from asking the questions of itself that it has to ask in order to be a credible alternative. NHS and "the Tories" is nowhere near enough, no matter how comforting it is.

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    Gutted to see Huppert fail in Cambridge
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,060
    Have I mentioned I've had a bet on yvette as loto from I think 2011... hopefully with lad...
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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    weejonnie said:

    So, pollsters.... what the hell happened?

    Fairly obvious - The pollsters had picked up that Cameron was the preferred prime minister by 52% to 31%. That was presumably the fact that stopped tory leakage in the marginals. Where he wasn't liked (North East Mainly) Labour did pretty well. (And without that exit poll there would have been a lot of people with much shorter fingernails this morning.)
    Also the popularity of the coalition kept improving in the polls whilst the party figures said otherwise.
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    Tony_MTony_M Posts: 70

    Dixie said:



    Any lessons for pollsters?

    Yep. Follow you around as you are knocking doors!

    The polls did not move during the campaign. But the voters WERE moving. Several of us were telling people. We were poo-pooed as hearing what we wanted to hear.

    NO WE FUCKING WEREN'T! There was a huge resource here that was totally ignored in favour of the polls. The polls that we told you were broken.

    Well done. And congrats for all your hard work.
    Seconded
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Prodicus said:

    Why aren't we getting anything on vote share?

    Glad to hear Galloway lost.

    His RO reported him to the police for breaking electoral regs. No details AFAIK.

    Speaking of which, when is Tower Hamlets declaring?
    Alastair Cook declares quicker than Tower Hamlets.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,157

    Tories nearly 6% ahead now in the national vote share. Pollsters looking very very stupid.

    That pro-Labour swing in the opinion polls this week has totally f'cked the polling companies credibility.

    I am though a little baffled as to how a level headed man like PtP thought his canvassing experiences in Broxtowe were much better for Labour than those in 2010.
    Wait for some more detail on what happened (especially exit poll detail). It may have just been a swing on the day - you only need 3% of all voters to switch to turn Con 33.5 - Lab 33.5 into Con 36.5 - Lab 30.5.

    Anecdotally, we've had Nick Palmer here reporting people who'd said they'd support Lab changing their minds, and Jack Straw was saying something similar on Sky earlier.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    This election is the pinnacle of Lynton Crosby's career. Without question.

    Expect to see him working for a Republican next year. He's done an amazing job for the Tories today, he's got a great record for the Liberals (Conservatives) in Australia. I doubted some of his tactics, he's been well and truly vindicated.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Tory plus Unionists plus Carswell are over the Sinn Fein line
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    rcs1000 said:

    Re LibDem seats - is likely 8? Or are there a couple (ideally 3) more possible holds?

    Berwick, St Ives, Wells. Not very likely though.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited May 2015
    RobD said:

    felix said:

    Why aren't we getting anything on vote share?

    C 37 L 30 approx acc to Sky
    EICIPM?
    lol.

    If I'd have followed through with my paper trade yesterday afternoon (selling the cons winning margin over Lab for £1k per seat @ 20), i'd have lost ~£75k.

    My punting credibility is in tatters.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,027
    F1: P1 starts at 9am. On this one occasion, I'll understand if not everyone tunes in.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,497

    Re the pollsters, it looks like the final result will have the Tories ahead by 6%.

    The polls generally had it neck and neck, some slightly the Tories ahead.

    Allowing for margin of error and a late late late swing it isn't a disaster per se.

    Yes it is. The worst polling result since 1992, arguably even worse. The narrative (and a thousand threads) dominated by polls that were simply wrong. Yougov in particular really need to start again but ICM will also be concerned by their last 2 polls.

    Go forward 5 years. Labour in the lead. Who will believe it? No one.
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    If, as many argue, the Tories won on the massive voter preference for Dave as PM over Ed, the hate-filled 'Bullingdon toff' line of attack would seem to be holed below the waterline. The British are not attracted to haters. Evidently.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,771
    edited May 2015

    Re the pollsters, it looks like the final result will have the Tories ahead by 6%.

    The polls generally had it neck and neck, some slightly the Tories ahead.

    Allowing for margin of error and a late late late swing it isn't a disaster per se.

    So Ashcroft outlier wins ! :-)
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Why aren't we getting anything on vote share?

    See the BBC results page:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,079
    Here is an indicator of Northern Ireland politics. Conservatives stood in 16 of 18 constituencies and won 1.3 per cent. Ukip stood in only 10 constituencies and won double the Tory vote.
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    bunncobunnco Posts: 169
    Balls and Miliband going together?

    The ultimate unwinding of the Gordon Brown treasury team that fouled-up the economy and this morning topped-off by the loss of Kirkaldy.

    The true end of an era. And no bad thing
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    PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    AndyJS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Re LibDem seats - is likely 8? Or are there a couple (ideally 3) more possible holds?

    Berwick, St Ives, Wells. Not very likely though.
    Wells is certainly not a snowball's chance.
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    Allowing for margin of error and a late late late swing it isn't a disaster per se.

    All due respect Eagles - but that's a crock. This was a polling disaster. The point of polling is to be able to predict results. They completely sucked. Fundamental rethink on methods and messages is needed.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,688
    If Labour had held onto every one of their 41 Scottish seats, they still would have lost this election, and there'd still be a Tory maj/close to a Tory maj.

    Astonishing.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    felix said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:

    Those that criticised the Tory campaign (and I include myself) have to give credit for something truly incredible here. Cameron went on the attack looking for the seats that he needed for the majority. I criticised him for it yesterday morning bemoaning the fact that he spent so long in Lib Dem seats instead of seeking to protect the seats he was going to lose to Labour.

    He was absolutely spot on. Incredibly so. Just an amazing result. This eclipses Major's result in 1992. Cameron has done something almost everyone, including me, thought was impossible.

    Someone needs to explain how the Tories won.

    If they won by creating an English Nationalism where hatred of Scotland is the priority, then perhaps that might not be what you want./
    That's the response of a bitter loser - just like Labour speakers. It's much easier for them to do that than consider what they did wrong.
    Scotland won. 56 out of 59 MPs. Tories lost, Labour lost, Lib Dems need to be removed from being a "Major Party". UKIP need to be removed from being a "Major Party". Greens did on. SNP won the election.

    There has been a significant change off circumstances.
    How have we lost? We're up in MPs and have an overall majority. Take your head out of your arse and stop inspecting the Scottish navel - your MPs aren't relevant. Your "progressive alliance" lost.
    It gives the SNP a Significant change of circumstances.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850

    Prodicus said:

    Why aren't we getting anything on vote share?

    Glad to hear Galloway lost.

    His RO reported him to the police for breaking electoral regs. No details AFAIK.

    Speaking of which, when is Tower Hamlets declaring?
    Alastair Cook declares quicker than Tower Hamlets.
    Lol.
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    PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766

    This election is the pinnacle of Lynton Crosby's career. Without question.

    Expect to see him working for a Republican next year. He's done an amazing job for the Tories today, he's got a great record for the Liberals (Conservatives) in Australia. I doubted some of his tactics, he's been well and truly vindicated.
    Yep incredible job!
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,739
    rcs1000 said:

    Re LibDem seats - is likely 8? Or are there a couple (ideally 3) more possible holds?

    BBC were predicting 12.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    IIRC rcs1000 predicted Con 36.5%, Lab 30.5% and that's precisely what it is at the moment.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    Con hold Gillingham and Rainham.

    Lamb v Farron for Lib Dem leader.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,342
    I think that was before the narrow losses in Eastbourne and Cambridge. Amazingly, rcs100's LD seats bet looks like being a loser at the low end
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986

    Dair said:

    felix said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:

    Those that criticised the Tory campaign (and I include myself) have to give credit for something truly incredible here. Cameron went on the attack looking for the seats that he needed for the majority. I criticised him for it yesterday morning bemoaning the fact that he spent so long in Lib Dem seats instead of seeking to protect the seats he was going to lose to Labour.

    He was absolutely spot on. Incredibly so. Just an amazing result. This eclipses Major's result in 1992. Cameron has done something almost everyone, including me, thought was impossible.

    Someone needs to explain how the Tories won.

    If they won by creating an English Nationalism where hatred of Scotland is the priority, then perhaps that might not be what you want./
    That's the response of a bitter loser - just like Labour speakers. It's much easier for them to do that than consider what they did wrong.
    Scotland won. 56 out of 59 MPs. Tories lost, Labour lost, Lib Dems need to be removed from being a "Major Party". UKIP need to be removed from being a "Major Party". Greens did on. SNP won the election.

    There has been a significant change off circumstances.
    How have we lost? We're up in MPs and have an overall majority. Take your head out of your arse and stop inspecting the Scottish navel - your MPs aren't relevant. Your "progressive alliance" lost.

    The SNP got exactly the result it wanted in both Scotland and the UK.

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    AndyJS said:

    IIRC rcs1000 predicted Con 36.5%, Lab 30.5% and that's precisely what it is at the moment.

    I was the most optimistic on Con seats, and one of the most pessimistic on the LDs.

    Didn't expect to see them sub 10, mind.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    felix said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:

    Those that criticised the Tory campaign (and I include myself) have to give credit for something truly incredible here. Cameron went on the attack looking for the seats that he needed for the majority. I criticised him for it yesterday morning bemoaning the fact that he spent so long in Lib Dem seats instead of seeking to protect the seats he was going to lose to Labour.

    He was absolutely spot on. Incredibly so. Just an amazing result. This eclipses Major's result in 1992. Cameron has done something almost everyone, including me, thought was impossible.

    Someone needs to explain how the Tories won.

    If they won by creating an English Nationalism where hatred of Scotland is the priority, then perhaps that might not be what you want./
    That's the response of a bitter loser - just like Labour speakers. It's much easier for them to do that than consider what they did wrong.
    Scotland won. 56 out of 59 MPs. Tories lost, Labour lost, Lib Dems need to be removed from being a "Major Party". UKIP need to be removed from being a "Major Party". Greens did on. SNP won the election.

    There has been a significant change off circumstances.
    How have we lost? We're up in MPs and have an overall majority. Take your head out of your arse and stop inspecting the Scottish navel - your MPs aren't relevant. Your "progressive alliance" lost.
    It gives the SNP a Significant change of circumstances.
    Yes you've gone from a minor party in opposition to a two party government, to a minor party in opposition to a one party government. Congrats!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    I think I've realised today how much more passionate I am about politics than my actual job. Perhaps I should change careers :D
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    What I found bizarre yesterday was the amaterishness of some tellers. My station was handling two wards so it made everything a real clusterfuck when voters turned up without cards/or went to the wrong entrance.

    I was on my feet and encouraging/explaining for 10hrs along with a variety of LD tellers who didn't have much gift of the gab and were far too keen to ask for a polling card number first. I think I gained details from about 95% of voters in mine.

    Tellers at the other entrance stood around talking to each other - sitting about, and taking numbers for voters in my ward - their returns must have been crap and really annoyed those who'd queued only to be told to come to our entrance instead.

    If you can't do such a simple task well - what's the point for the rest of team out knocking up?
    bunnco said:

    Those of us that mastered VoteSource and used it wisely got the greatest returns - South Norfolk - 30000 Cons votes and 20000 majority. That doesn't happen by itself. It was a big risk for the Tories to roll-out the poll-day module on the day before but Wow! it worked!

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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,079

    Re the pollsters, it looks like the final result will have the Tories ahead by 6%.

    The polls generally had it neck and neck, some slightly the Tories ahead.

    Allowing for margin of error and a late late late swing it isn't a disaster per se.

    National polls didn't have a disaster. So, constituency polls.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187

    Dixie said:



    Any lessons for pollsters?

    Yep. Follow you around as you are knocking doors!

    The polls did not move during the campaign. But the voters WERE moving. Several of us were telling people. We were poo-pooed as hearing what we wanted to hear.

    NO WE FUCKING WEREN'T! There was a huge resource here that was totally ignored in favour of the polls. The polls that we told you were broken.

    Well done. And congrats for all your hard work.
    Thanks for that. It really feels worth it this morning!
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Thought my morning couldn't get any better, however the lovely Julia Hartley-Brewer is now on to make it even more glorious.
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    Tories nearly 6% ahead now in the national vote share. Pollsters looking very very stupid.

    That pro-Labour swing in the opinion polls this week has totally f'cked the polling companies credibility.

    I am though a little baffled as to how a level headed man like PtP thought his canvassing experiences in Broxtowe were much better for Labour than those in 2010.
    Wait for some more detail on what happened (especially exit poll detail). It may have just been a swing on the day - you only need 3% of all voters to switch to turn Con 33.5 - Lab 33.5 into Con 36.5 - Lab 30.5.

    Anecdotally, we've had Nick Palmer here reporting people who'd said they'd support Lab changing their minds, and Jack Straw was saying something similar on Sky earlier.
    Labour middle-class activists thinking nice WWC people would never lie to them about voting Labour when they were actually supporting UKIP
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Scott_P Posts: 8,921
    May 7
    Civic duty done, once I found the Polling Station, which was NOT where I left it last time.

    Turnout described as "steady"

    Predictions.

    The betting markets are wrong. They were last time, they will be this time.

    The polls are wrong. The clustering around a statistical tie will not I think be the final result.

    The pundits are wrong. The seat calculators are probably not sophisticated enough to compensate for UNS, incumbency and the Jockalypse Now.

    So, Tories most votes (just) most seats (just), Cameron carries on a dares the others to vote down the Queen's Speech (which they do). He resigns as PM, Party leader and MP. Ed takes over.

    Nicola votes down Ed's first budget (just to show she can).

    The next set of GDP figures were probably going to be ugly anyway, but will be worse. Interest rates hike. Let's not forget Greece

    Any internal Tory fight is completely masked by public outrage at Ed getting bitchslapped

    New election when Ed gets bored of losing.
    Could have been worse...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211

    I think that was before the narrow losses in Eastbourne and Cambridge. Amazingly, rcs100's LD seats bet looks like being a loser at the low end

    I'd covered with a small bet at 16-1 on 10 or fewer. But it just covered my lost stakes.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713

    Dair said:

    felix said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:

    Those that criticised the Tory campaign (and I include myself) have to give credit for something truly incredible here. Cameron went on the attack looking for the seats that he needed for the majority. I criticised him for it yesterday morning bemoaning the fact that he spent so long in Lib Dem seats instead of seeking to protect the seats he was going to lose to Labour.

    He was absolutely spot on. Incredibly so. Just an amazing result. This eclipses Major's result in 1992. Cameron has done something almost everyone, including me, thought was impossible.

    Someone needs to explain how the Tories won.

    If they won by creating an English Nationalism where hatred of Scotland is the priority, then perhaps that might not be what you want./
    That's the response of a bitter loser - just like Labour speakers. It's much easier for them to do that than consider what they did wrong.
    Scotland won. 56 out of 59 MPs. Tories lost, Labour lost, Lib Dems need to be removed from being a "Major Party". UKIP need to be removed from being a "Major Party". Greens did on. SNP won the election.

    There has been a significant change off circumstances.
    How have we lost? We're up in MPs and have an overall majority. Take your head out of your arse and stop inspecting the Scottish navel - your MPs aren't relevant. Your "progressive alliance" lost.

    The SNP got exactly the result it wanted in both Scotland and the UK.

    Pretty sure the SNP would have prefered if labour could have made it with their help...
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,321

    MikeL said:

    BBC call a Conservative majority with 329 seats. So I think I make that a 6 seat majority or is it 8 seat?

    Officially 8
    12 exc SF
    If they can get rid of Bercow, get a Labour MP elected as Speaker - and then hold the Buckingham by-election - that will help (in so many ways)
    Doesn't matter who provides Speaker as Deputy Speakers cancel out.

    However if Bercow is deposed and then joins Lab then that costs Con a seat and thus majority falls by 2.

    Don't think Con can afford to throw a seat away.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,930
    edited May 2015
    Alanbrooke

    "I heard your relly on the radio this a.m. came across well, but very strange to think he IS the Scottish Labour party in Westminster."

    Isn't that the strangest thing. From getting chosen for the seat only six weeks before the last election because the previous incumbent had to resign to winning the seat with the smallest majority in Scotland to being the only one still standing and now in all probability ending up Shadow Scottish Secretary!

    He'll probably get knocked down by a milk float
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    asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    Obviously good night for the tories, wiped out the lib dems south of the trent.

    Mixed night for labour, net gains in england but not enough to offset the bad losses in Scotland. It's not a total wipeout and it's a good base to build from. Get a proper leader willing to put in the hard yards and victory in 2020 looks likely. The brand is still strong.

    Lib Dem and UKIP the big losers of the night; the insurgent purple peoples army was routed by the voting system, and failed to breakthrough everywhere. Farange's career is over. Carswell must be regretting his defection.

    Last euros will be the historical highpoint for them
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    bunnco said:

    Balls and Miliband going together?

    The ultimate unwinding of the Gordon Brown treasury team that fouled-up the economy and this morning topped-off by the loss of Kirkaldy.

    The true end of an era. And no bad thing

    Spot on bunnco.
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    asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    Prodicus said:

    Why aren't we getting anything on vote share?

    Glad to hear Galloway lost.

    Speaking of which, when is Tower Hamlets declaring?
    When they finish voting, turnout at 176% last estimate
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Nicky Campbell sounds gutted on R5. Good.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2015
    Good morning....

    Labour just held Halifax...majority of less than 500
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Ken Livingstone: this is a bigger shock than 1992 for the party.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulmasonnews: Whole Labour inner circle knows problem: if New Lab stage coup Unite leaves and you get an English Syriza, possibly with more money than Lab
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2015
    Labour hold Halifax by 428 votes:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000723

    Reminds me of the 478 Labour majority in 1992.
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Re the pollsters, it looks like the final result will have the Tories ahead by 6%.

    The polls generally had it neck and neck, some slightly the Tories ahead.

    Allowing for margin of error and a late late late swing it isn't a disaster per se.

    But you can only play the MOE card every so often (one time in 20?) and it should operate in both directions; not when you've been plumb wrong in the same direction almost every bloody night for 5 years.

    Seriously this site has needed to be a lot more critical of, and distanced from, the pollsters for a long time.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108

    If Labour had held onto every one of their 41 Scottish seats, they still would have lost this election, and there'd still be a Tory maj/close to a Tory maj.

    Astonishing.

    Hasnt stopped the Labouristas pretending its all Scotland's fault.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,342
    So 2015 is the new 1992. Cameron's challenge is to make sure 2020 is not the new 1997. With a big split on Europe coming up, things look difficult
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,688
    My advice to PBers.

    Go out and go canvassing at the next election.

    It is bloody great fun.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,154
    I think I can claim retrospectively to be 2007's prophet of the year:

    " RICHARD

    I think Labour will win here but suspect it could be closer than expected – say 2000 majority.

    Balls strikes me as something of a cold fish and will struggle in an area like this filled with ambitious, independently minded working class voters.

    Long term this will be won by the Conservatives the next time they win an overall majority.

    July 18th, 2007 at 1:11 pm "
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,448

    David Herdson was campaigning in Morley and Outwood.

    David Herdson = PBer of the year

    Much as I would like to claim some credit, I did very little campaigning in Morley & Outwood and spent the great majority of my time in Wakefield. I doubt it had a significant impact but the spirited if short campaign we fought may have diluted some of Labour's manpower in M&O. It has certainly kept Wakefield in the game for the next election, particularly as it should now be fought under the revised boundaries in 2020.

    Having won POTY once, I'd decline any further nominations but I would point out that in my piece last week I did point out that there was a much greater chance than was commonly being assumed of both a disastrous Lib Dem performance and an excellent Tory one (for balance, I also said that there was a chance of a very good Labour one too, though I don't regret that given that the basic proposition that the polls were unreliable was right).
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    FTSE opens 1.71% up
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    Lab hold Halifax
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Scott_P said:

    @paulmasonnews: Whole Labour inner circle knows problem: if New Lab stage coup Unite leaves and you get an English Syriza, possibly with more money than Lab

    Yet they need to be more new labour to get and attract middle england.

    Labour are in crisis...
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    saddened said:

    Nicky Campbell sounds gutted on R5. Good.

    Doesn't he just.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,739

    felix said:

    We need some new Opinion pollsters - pronto!!!

    Please no.

    We need a total re-write of polling methods and the BPC need an urgent independent enquiry. Make no mistake, this is an unmitigated polling cock up.
    From memory the BBC poll of polls was showing something like:
    Tory 34, Lab 33, UKIP 13. LD 8 and the actual looks like
    Tory 36, Lab 31, UKIP 13, LD 8
    which is within MoE.
    It's FPTP which makes the seats results such a lottery.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,771

    Dair said:

    felix said:

    Dair said:

    DavidL said:

    Those that criticised the Tory campaign (and I include myself) have to give credit for something truly incredible here. Cameron went on the attack looking for the seats that he needed for the majority. I criticised him for it yesterday morning bemoaning the fact that he spent so long in Lib Dem seats instead of seeking to protect the seats he was going to lose to Labour.

    He was absolutely spot on. Incredibly so. Just an amazing result. This eclipses Major's result in 1992. Cameron has done something almost everyone, including me, thought was impossible.

    Someone needs to explain how the Tories won.

    If they won by creating an English Nationalism where hatred of Scotland is the priority, then perhaps that might not be what you want./
    That's the response of a bitter loser - just like Labour speakers. It's much easier for them to do that than consider what they did wrong.
    Scotland won. 56 out of 59 MPs. Tories lost, Labour lost, Lib Dems need to be removed from being a "Major Party". UKIP need to be removed from being a "Major Party". Greens did on. SNP won the election.

    There has been a significant change off circumstances.
    How have we lost? We're up in MPs and have an overall majority. Take your head out of your arse and stop inspecting the Scottish navel - your MPs aren't relevant. Your "progressive alliance" lost.

    The SNP got exactly the result it wanted in both Scotland and the UK.

    One of Dave;s first acts at PMQs should be to thank Alex Salmond

    "Alex I couldn't have done it without you"
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @spectator: The biggest loser of the night? It's got to be @rustyrockets, says Brendan O'Neill http://t.co/YzymYarIsL http://t.co/ZLLRdX5uMq
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    Nicky Campbell can barely conceal his horror and bitterness at the result this morning on 5 Live.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    That must taste very sweet.

    DavidL said:

    Balls losing probably makes Yvette a much stronger candidate for the leadership. In fact it probably makes her favourite.

    We can now confirm George o is genius, as his two 'superior' rivals in 2010. Are both ex mos now, Vince and balls.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,342

    felix said:

    We need some new Opinion pollsters - pronto!!!

    Please no.

    We need a total re-write of polling methods and the BPC need an urgent independent enquiry. Make no mistake, this is an unmitigated polling cock up.
    From memory the BBC poll of polls was showing something like:
    Tory 34, Lab 33, UKIP 13. LD 8 and the actual looks like
    Tory 36, Lab 31, UKIP 13, LD 8
    which is within MoE.
    It's FPTP which makes the seats results such a lottery.
    But a result at the extreme of the MOE should only have a 5% chance of occurring. Given every polling company predicted a similar result, the odds are miniscule (0.05)^8
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Louise Cooper ‏@Louiseaileen70 10 mins10 minutes ago

    Centrica up 7%, SSE +5%, Lloyds +7% BARC +5% RBS +5.5%
    7 retweets 0 favorites

    Tories generating more wealth already :)
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,942
    edited May 2015
    Anybody worked out what the Con majority would have been had the Lib-Dems not destroyed boundary reform.

    Course, that will be back on the table now the Tories have a majority...
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    The left divide, the Tories win. We learnt that in the 80s. Shame we have to learn that lesson the hard way all over again.

    ScotRef and the Coalition. Two more potent means to divide the left it is impossible to imagine.

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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Louise Cooper ‏@Louiseaileen70 10 mins10 minutes ago

    Centrica up 7%, SSE +5%, Lloyds +7% BARC +5% RBS +5.5%
    7 retweets 0 favorites

    Tories generating more wealth already :)

    Pensions up for all :)
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Plato said:

    That must taste very sweet.

    DavidL said:

    Balls losing probably makes Yvette a much stronger candidate for the leadership. In fact it probably makes her favourite.

    We can now confirm George o is genius, as his two 'superior' rivals in 2010. Are both ex mos now, Vince and balls.
    Pray for tim....
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Farage is really whining, he definitely knows he's lost.
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    FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    edited May 2015

    So, pollsters.... what the hell happened?

    The polls were quite wrong. I've no idea why but the above article gives some enigmatic pointer to this Mr Fisher perhaps knowing why.

    Leaving the polls aside - its clear that Cameron played a blinder. He, the tories and Crosby, knew what they were doing. Firts up - the debates... Oh how all the anti Cameron idiots lambasted him for that. how right he was. How right the Tories were. Can anyone see how the election might just have turned out if he had meekly agreed to Con Lab LD and UKIP for the format??

    All the talk of the tory campaign being cr@p was itself a load of odure.
    The very first image of this campaign (as I pointed out) was that the Labour party would be in the pocket of a far left SNP who wanted to break up the UK and / or syphon of cash to Scotland and scrap Trident.
    It stuck. Because it was true. Labour lost because of the failure of their own warped devolution settlement.
    The LDs collapsed because they spent 5 years trying to be in govt and not accepting the compromises that that entails. They spent 5 years being in govt and opposing it at the same time.

    Gawd help Labour if they pick Mrs Balls as leader. They stand now on the threshold of another monumental mistake. A big problem they have now is that they do not know who will be Tory leader in 2020.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    GIN1138 said:

    Anybody worked out what the Con majority would have been had the Lib-Dems not destroyed boundary reform.

    Course, that will be back on the table now the Tories have a majority...

    Well, they'll work out the nominal figures in time for the 2020 election. Who knows, Con may be defending a 50 seat majority :D:D
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Obviously good night for the tories, wiped out the lib dems south of the trent.

    Mixed night for labour, net gains in england but not enough to offset the bad losses in Scotland. It's not a total wipeout and it's a good base to build from. Get a proper leader willing to put in the hard yards and victory in 2020 looks likely. The brand is still strong.

    Lib Dem and UKIP the big losers of the night; the insurgent purple peoples army was routed by the voting system, and failed to breakthrough everywhere. Farange's career is over. Carswell must be regretting his defection.

    Last euros will be the historical highpoint for them

    Vote gone from 3% to 12%, think you need to put prejudices to one side as it costs you money.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986
    Scott_P said:

    @paulmasonnews: Whole Labour inner circle knows problem: if New Lab stage coup Unite leaves and you get an English Syriza, possibly with more money than Lab

    That pretty much sums it up - though I suspect a centre left party shorn of Unite would attract a fair few hefty donations from sources that currently keep their wallets shut.

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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Doh - you're right, my brain is still mushy and now tiddled!
    Tony_M said:

    Plato said:

    IIRC Kent seats are largely counting this morning - is that right?

    Loads in already Ms Plato;

    Ashford, Dover, Faversham, Sevenoaks, T&M, T Wells, Dartford, Sitt & Shep, Roch & Strood off the top of my head. All blue of course! ;-)
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    Keighley (critical) Con hold
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Why does it take so long to count votes in Thanet, Luton, Bedford, Tower Hamlets?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,321
    Also note CURRENT boundaries are not as unfair as people thought.

    London is fastest growing region of UK and is mainly Labour.

    So level of unfairness is actually reducing.

    A boundary review done now will help Con a bit but not as much as most people think.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    Prodicus said:

    Keighley (critical) Con hold

    :D
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