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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited May 2015

    I wonder what tim saying on twitter ;)

    All quiet so far.....if we don't hear from him soon, we might have to start getting worried.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    edited May 2015

    Alberto Nardelli ‏@AlbertoNardelli 2 mins2 minutes ago

    YouGov is not an exit poll.

    But the Sun is saying it is?

    The BPC REALLY needs to get a grip and ban arsehattery by clients in misrepresenting polls as things which they aren't, right wing newspapers and self-important billionaires not excluded.
  • NoEasyDayNoEasyDay Posts: 454
    Yougov looks exactly like Kellners final prediction. I cant get on the site now to check but it looks like a fuck up.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900


    'only'

    Well, that's only 80% implied probability despite a stonking exit poll lead, implying _possibly_ that said poll was on the high side of an error range

    Having said that, since last post Cameron is down to 1.17 :-)

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    You can see the flaw in what YouGov have done...

    If people on their panel were lying about what they intended to do before the poll, chances are they will lie about what they did AFTER the poll.

    #spanners
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Now shitting a brick over Huppert in Cambridge.

    Don't believe this exit poll.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,656
    "Nigel Farage has won and by a bigger margin than people think."
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Could Ed Balls really be in trouble? Was the source accurate?
  • hamiltonacehamiltonace Posts: 664
    Just been chatting with a group of friends in Hamilton. Labour has got a kicking because they did not look after their voters. This was not a vote on independence. It was clear that the SNP won the ground war. At my polling station there were 2 SNP tellers and no Labour teller. Where were the Labour ground troops?

    The voter turnout will be nowhere near the polls. However it is the direct switching of committed Labour voters that is killing them not the introduction of new voters.




  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Nuttall says Farage has won. "Doing well in Kent and Essex".
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Think SPIN is about right now: 306 - 252

    In line with Ave it projections!!
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    I expect postal votes to be even more favourable to the Conservatives than prior elections.

    Pollsters were weighting wrong.

    People really don't comprehend how extensive electoral fraud became in this country under the last government.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,937
    BBC not looking good in TV terms.

    It looks to be driven by tech gimmicks not getting information out.

    Can't we have Jeremy Vine with his six gun shooting up the studio.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Fun anecdote - one of my LD teller compatriots told me of a spoilt ballot paper that was accepted.

    A voter had expertly drawn a cannabis leaf in the box and everyone agreed that this was fair.

    Another voter was the wife of a returning officer who was having an affair - she wrote all about it in the little box at the same count. Hilariously awkward there.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,809
    Have they released the shares underpinning that Exit poll?
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    lynton crosby all is forgiven
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited May 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    "Nigel Farage has won and by a bigger margin than people think."

    Excellent if he has. Fingers crossed.

    Balls going would be the icing on the cake.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Pulpstar said:

    Uncle Vince must be toast on this, surely !

    Please God, that would be an eight out of ten, Cooper nine out of ten, Balls ten out of ten, reckless eleven out of ten.

    But if I really had to pick a result it would be Cooper and Balls signing on.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Ishmael_X said:

    If YouGov have been wasting our collective time nightly for the last 5 years, as seems probable even on their own exit poll, I hope for their sake their exit poll does no turn out to be time-wasting crap in itself.

    Yougov has not covered itself in glory. But has any pollster?
    No, but this latest stunt is - potentially - seriously adding insult to injury.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Exit poll predicting Labour doing well in NE of England so looking for their vote share to go up in the Sunderland seats.
    AndyJS said:

    2010 result — Houghton & Sunderland South:

    Lab 19137 (50.3%)
    Con 8147 (21.4%)
    LD 5292 (13.9%)
    Ind 2462 (6.5%)
    BNP 1961 (5.2%)
    UKIP 1022 (2.7%)

    Turnout: 55.3%

    Candidates this time:

    Con: Stewart Hay
    Lab: Bridget Phillipson
    LD: Jim Murray
    UKIP: Richard Elvin
    Greens: Alan Robinson

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: Tories quietly confident they've won South Thanet.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    SPIN - Mid points :

    Con 306 .. Lab 252 .. LibDem 26.5 .. SNP 46.5

    Very ARSE like .... :smile:
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Well done to the Tories,Well done to Cameron and Osborne.Well done to Lynton Crosby.Well done to Dan Hodges.Well done to our own JackW,Rodcrosby,Southam and others for getting it right.


    Now off to the pub to drown my sorrows...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,656
    Nuttall complaining about the LDs getting too many seats...

    Hmm...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712

    What do the statisticians here think of this exit poll? What degree of MoE can we expect on seat totals?

    The Exit pollsters themselves say 20-25 seat margin of error.
    Cheers.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,395
    John_N said:

    Dair said:

    BEcause that will require an SNP vote in 2016. Obviously it will likely return a mandate for the Second Indyref.

    Why do you think that? There's been a big change in the pro and anti SNP vote shares between last September and now. Why is it "obviously" true that it's all going to stay static, or keep on moving in the same direction, between now and next year?

    Dair will answer for himself, but don't forget the completely different viting system in Hoyrood allows the Greens and SSP, and the new truly independent Scottish Labour Party (which I assume Mr Murphy will now be busy founding, his chums having secured the URL some months ago) to weigh in and help achieve a pro-indy majority. And we have yet to see what happens in Westminster. It's not just the SNP who drive the voting.

  • John_NJohn_N Posts: 389
    There's a strong case for banning polls in say the last 3 weeks before an election.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    SMukesh said:

    Well done to the Tories,Well done to Cameron and Osborne.Well done to Lynton Crosby.Well done to Dan Hodges.Well done to our own JackW,Rodcrosby,Southam and others for getting it right.


    Now off to the pub to drown my sorrows...

    Hello mukesh - I take back my earlier comment - well done for fronting it out!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnRentoul: Not only was there no late swing, I don't think public opinion changed much since the trade unions elected wrong candidate five years ago.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Tories quietly confident they've won South Thanet.

    If Farage doesn't win South Thanet it'll be hilarious. Strangely I'm not feeling as sad I thought I'd be, and am looking forward to seeing what happens.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    Where is the EdStone at the moment?

    Sliding off the parapet at Westminster Bridge, or being crushed for hardcore.
  • ukelectukelect Posts: 140
    1992 didn't surprise me - this one does (assuming that the exit poll is correct). Either lots of people were misleading the pollsters,or the regional swings are very different from each other.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,416
    TGOHF said:

    Now shitting a brick over Huppert in Cambridge.

    Don't believe this exit poll.

    Huppert might well be one of the ten
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited May 2015

    Intriguing choice of exit polls, both of them producing an awkward result without an obvious majority, though obviously would be better than expected for Cameron. I can confirm that there were a higher number than usual of expected Labour voters in my patch who declined to say how they were voting, which isn't usually a good sign. But I won't comment more till we see the result.

    Can't remember whether it was Neil or Glynis Kinnock talking about the last hours coming into the '92 vote saying they'd noticed something similar.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,780
    Lefties on twitter already turning bitter....
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546
    Perhaps, in the end, people who planned to vote UKIP just couldn't stomach a Labour government, once they reached the polling booths.
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    Will stay up for Farage, Balls and Cable.

    ICM wisdom does indeed look good, gold standard.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,656
    watford30 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Nigel Farage has won and by a bigger margin than people think."

    Excellent if he has, and thanks to Corals.

    Balls going would be the icing on the cake.
    That's Nuttall. I don't mind Farage winning, but I'd like him to do it by no more than 6.49%.

    :-)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952
    Balls out for the lads?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,045
    TGOHF said:

    Now shitting a brick over Huppert in Cambridge.

    Don't believe this exit poll.

    A very apt avatar!
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    saddened said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Uncle Vince must be toast on this, surely !

    Please God, that would be an eight out of ten, Cooper nine out of ten, Balls ten out of ten, reckless eleven out of ten.

    But if I really had to pick a result it would be Cooper and Balls signing on.
    Could you imagine Ed and Harriet negotiating a rainbow coalition 80 seats behind the Tories and with Dougie, Jim Murphy and Ed Balls all out of parliament. That would be mega lol.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978

    Have they released the shares underpinning that Exit poll?

    No, they never do.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Where is the second Green seat ?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Sunderland getting ready.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    It sounds very much like the non yougov poll is the more accurate. Extraordinary polling disaster for all the rest of them.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    surbiton said:

    Where is the second Green seat ?

    Bristol West?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032

    DavidL said:

    I just don't believe that exit poll. It is too good to be true. But there is no doubt it is massively better than I feared. I am delighted to be so wrong.

    Happy with 58?

    No. Gutted. Presumably Carmichael is the survivor.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Danny565 said:

    Could Ed Balls really be in trouble? Was the source accurate?

    Probably best for Labour if he is. It's time for a very serious rethink.

    I am not sure the exit poll is 100% accurate, but the Tories are clearly going to be well ahead.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,045
    Remember, sunderland houghton was Lab 60, Con 20, UKIP 16 based on the BBC exit poll.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Harman "very sceptical"
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Plato said:

    Fun anecdote - one of my LD teller compatriots told me of a spoilt ballot paper that was accepted.

    A voter had expertly drawn a cannabis leaf in the box and everyone agreed that this was fair.

    Another voter was the wife of a returning officer who was having an affair - she wrote all about it in the little box at the same count. Hilariously awkward there.

    Evening Plato - Keep the 'teller' anecdotes comming, they're hilarious. :lol:
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Lefties on twitter already turning bitter....

    Of course they are. If this result was the reverse, PB righties would be bitter too ;)
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    SPIN now have SNP at 53-56
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Sean_F said:

    Perhaps, in the end, people who planned to vote UKIP just couldn't stomach a Labour government, once they reached the polling booths.

    That's not borne out by the individual seat projections the BBC put up before either, though. It projected 18% for UKIP in N Warks for example.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    SO. It looks like you might have hit lucky!!
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    Have they released the shares underpinning that Exit poll?

    No, they never do.
    Any reason?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited May 2015
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    I just don't believe that exit poll. It is too good to be true. But there is no doubt it is massively better than I feared. I am delighted to be so wrong.

    Happy with 58?

    No. Gutted. Presumably Carmichael is the survivor.
    It's a Labourite according to Exit Poll.

    I might chuckle if it is Anne McLaughlin not that I dislike her but that she is such an inveterate loser.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,656

    surbiton said:

    Where is the second Green seat ?

    Bristol West?
    Norwich South. Has to be.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2015

    Have they released the shares underpinning that Exit poll?

    No, they never do.
    ITV released their shares in 1992 at 10pm. Con 41%, Lab 37%. Out by 2%.
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    If this is correct then WOW

    The pollsters will really need to go back to the drawing board after this.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    And just for comparison, the final ELBOW for Online polls, a LAB lead of 0.45%

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/596430863920996352
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Very poor prediction by JackW. How could he be so far out?
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    ukelect said:

    1992 didn't surprise me - this one does (assuming that the exit poll is correct). Either lots of people were misleading the pollsters,or the regional swings are very different from each other.

    No. It's because the pollsters' methodology is awful and outdated. There's no wriggle room. Look it's so simple:

    online panels self-select and are totally unrepresentative and
    very few people use a landline
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,656
    LDs - to get around 8% overall
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,045
    Prof. Curtice doens't look too shell-shocked, despite being held under armed guard for the last 12 hours :D
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,504
    The Guardian headline should be "the day the polls turned."

    :-)

    If the exit poll is wildly wrong then a lot of us will have egg on our faces . :-)
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    Don't understand why cameras are at Dundee count, unless Hosie has 101% of the vote.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,780
    Laurie Penny, Owen Jones, Russel Brand, 'hopefully' your boys are going to take one hell of a beating!!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,045

    Very poor prediction by JackW. How could he be so far out?

    titter :D
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,416
    surbiton said:

    Where is the second Green seat ?

    Norwich south I'd prefer it to be, but fear it is Bristol West
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533

    Danny565 said:

    Could Ed Balls really be in trouble? Was the source accurate?

    Probably best for Labour if he is. It's time for a very serious rethink.

    I am not sure the exit poll is 100% accurate, but the Tories are clearly going to be well ahead.

    But Balls is the one of a very very few Labour front benchers who really do know what they are talking about when it comes to economics / business. He has just had to go along with a lot of the anti-business nonsense that Ed has been spouting, while he and Chukka have been running around telling businessmen no no it won't be like that.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    Didn't someone point out earlier that 9/10ths of every poll this parliament has overstated Labour?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    edited May 2015
    So if Cameron is back in looks like boundary changes will boost the conservatives next time.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049
    John Curtice doing brilliant nutty professor act.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    BTW, LibDems on 9.0% in ELBOW, highest since it started in August.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ok, this is funny

    @SavidgeReads: This. http://t.co/DLlMX0piWL
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,656
    LDs defending against Conservative challengers "seem to be doing better". Presumably lots of of predicted 500 vote losses.
  • Could be a night when Labour and Lib Dems both lose their chancellors
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978

    Have they released the shares underpinning that Exit poll?

    No, they never do.
    Any reason?
    They say it's not a VI poll, but an extrapolation event.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    Though I don't mind Ed not being PM I'd be very disappointed if NickP and Ian Murray don't win.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,927
    On these figures, I hope the Queen is ready to be activated fairly sharpish...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,045
    BBC Banner - "Ashdown: If exit poll right I'll eat my hat"
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Tories quietly confident they've won South Thanet.

    WHOOP!!!!!
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    edited May 2015
    Curtice: So the Tories have soft-balled the Libs in LD/Con marginals. Wonder if that means Clegg safe?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313

    Have they released the shares underpinning that Exit poll?

    No, they never do.
    Any reason?
    If you just ask people how they voted as they come out of the polling booth, you don't collect the data to balance the sample. They rely on sampling in key, mostly marginal, constituencies. So just as a normal VI poll doesn't give seats to any degree of accuracy, an exit poll can't do percentage VI to any degree of accuracy.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I thought Labour would do well in London and the North West. Yet they're saying they've done well in the North East.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Laura Pitel ‏@laurapitel 5 mins5 minutes ago

    Ukip source says party organisers in Ed Balls's seat (Morley and Outwood) are convinced the Tories are going to take it.

    oh please please please please......

    Icing on the cake if true
  • trubluetrublue Posts: 103
    I'm shocked but this is truly a fantastic result for the country. A disastrous result for Ed Miliband and the polling companies. This is gonna be a helluva a night as the results come in. I'm definitely going to stay up all night drinking this in.

    Well done everyone who got out the blue vote today!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @janemerrick23: People who might be considering resigning tonight: Nick Clegg, Ed Miliband, Nigel Farage, every polling chief, Sunderland counting people
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    Curtice seems to be full of contradictions.

    If labour are taking most LD seats why arethey on 239. And where do Tory gains come from?
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    FalseFlag said:

    Will stay up for Farage, Balls and Cable.

    ICM wisdom does indeed look good, gold standard.

    ICM wisdom circumvents the shy tory effect because respondent is ostensibly talking about everybody else, not him/herself.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Sarissa Rubbish Yougov had No ahead in a rerun indy ref poll at the weekend, it is just all the Yes voters are now voting SNP
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,656
    Labour 100% record so far.

    If this continues, exit poll will look very wrong :-)
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,780

    The Guardian headline should be "the day the polls turned."

    :-)

    If the exit poll is wildly wrong then a lot of us will have egg on our faces . :-)

    Well just got to ride the wave of it now... no time for caution
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Danny565 said:

    Could Ed Balls really be in trouble? Was the source accurate?

    Ed Balls is in trouble. Could be an ultra marginal next time, but who holds it is going to be very difficult to predict.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tories knocked into third place in Houghton.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    SMukesh said:

    Well done to the Tories,Well done to Cameron and Osborne.Well done to Lynton Crosby.Well done to Dan Hodges.Well done to our own JackW,Rodcrosby,Southam and others for getting it right.


    Now off to the pub to drown my sorrows...

    Fair play ...
  • EDW20000EDW20000 Posts: 138
    sell cons
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,656
    UKIP second.
    Exit poll overstating Conservatives relative to UKIP.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,690
    rcs1000 said:

    watford30 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    "Nigel Farage has won and by a bigger margin than people think."

    Excellent if he has, and thanks to Corals.

    Balls going would be the icing on the cake.
    That's Nuttall. I don't mind Farage winning, but I'd like him to do it by no more than 6.49%.

    :-)
    I would take Nuttal's comments with a large pinch of salt given that he claimed the exit poll was wildly wrong.
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