Lets remember where that last Conservative Opposition had their base camp compared to Tony Blair in 1997, they were still under 200 seats after the previous three elections. Can we please keep it real about just what an achievement coming from that base to damn near a majority was in one GE?
Really?! Incumbent Conservative Government in a Coalition in difficult economic times looks to be on course to improve their previous position after that shock Exit poll, and totally against the tide of recent polling. And you are bitching about their campaign not being effective enough?!
How well would the Tories had done if they had actually a decent campaign with some clear policies?
I think the problem is where the Tories started from. They should have cleaned up last time.
I know what you mean. I think the election came 12 months too late for the Tories and the expenses scandal appeared to cost them more than Labour (they had more to lose by 2009, after all).
Claire Wilde @ClaireW_TandA 2 min2 minuti fa Visualizza traduzione Labour party officials looking confident while watching the Bradford West count. Lib Dems looking nervous over on the Bradford East tables.
First negative comments Ive heard about SNP from Kirsty Wark in Edinburgh saying Labour think they can hold Edib South and Edin North and Leith.
The second one sounds completely ridiculous. But it's Kirsty "I was on the committee which screwed up the Scottish Parliament then made the documentary that said it wasn't Labour's fault because I love Labour" Wark.
Please please please say Cable has gone as well. The country doesn't need another 5 years of him....one of the most useless Coalition Ministers of the past 5 years.
First negative comments Ive heard about SNP from Kirsty Wark in Edinburgh saying Labour think they can hold Edib South and Edin North and Leith.
The second one sounds completely ridiculous. But it's Kirsty "I was on the committee which screwed up the Scottish Parliament then made the documentary that said it wasn't Labour's fault because I love Labour" Wark.
Any Labour retainer in scotland would be a nail to an Exit Poll coffin.
First negative comments Ive heard about SNP from Kirsty Wark in Edinburgh saying Labour think they can hold Edib South and Edin North and Leith.
The second one sounds completely ridiculous. But it's Kirsty "I was on the committee which screwed up the Scottish Parliament then made the documentary that said it wasn't Labour's fault because I love Labour" Wark.
Sarah (John's daughter) Smith saying the same thing
Lets remember where that last Conservative Opposition had their base camp compared to Tony Blair in 1997, they were still under 200 seats after the previous three elections. Can we please keep it real about just what an achievement coming from that base to damn near a majority was in one GE?
Really?! Incumbent Conservative Government in a Coalition in difficult economic times looks to be on course to improve their previous position after that shock Exit poll, and totally against the tide of recent polling. And you are bitching about their campaign not being effective enough?!
How well would the Tories had done if they had actually a decent campaign with some clear policies?
I think the problem is where the Tories started from. They should have cleaned up last time.
For all the talk of the "old 2-party system" 1970 was the last time a working majority for one party became a working majority for the other. By 1979 Labour, and by 1992 Tories had lost their majorities through by-election losses.
Lets remember where that last Conservative Opposition had their base camp compared to Tony Blair in 1997, they were still under 200 seats after the previous three elections. Can we please keep it real about just what an achievement coming from that base to damn near a majority was in one GE?
Really?! Incumbent Conservative Government in a Coalition in difficult economic times looks to be on course to improve their previous position after that shock Exit poll, and totally against the tide of recent polling. And you are bitching about their campaign not being effective enough?!
How well would the Tories had done if they had actually a decent campaign with some clear policies?
I think the problem is where the Tories started from. They should have cleaned up last time.
I know what you mean. I think the election came 12 months too late for the Tories and the expenses scandal appeared to cost them more than Labour (they had more to lose by 2009, after all).
@paulwaugh: Poignant moment on BBC as the excellent Sarah Smith explains SNP surge with reference to Labour’s record after death of her late father John
What was it the Tories' internal polls were saying? 303? 305? We all mocked it here, but it's looking pretty accurate now. So, how come they can conduct an opinion poll properly and nobody else can? (other than Jack's mighty ARSE, of course).
No-one who was a Labour minister in the last Labour government should stand for the leadership. They are yesterday's news. Let Chukka, Liz and Dan battle it out. It's time for a new start.
So who will be next Labour leader? Perhaps someone who can occasionally do deals with Tories to get certain legislation (that could also be considered One Nation Toryism) passed? Obvs. not a Scot. Stella?
No-one who was a Labour minister in the last Labour government should stand for the leadership. They are yesterday's news. Let Chukka, Liz and Dan battle it out. It's time for a new start.
Is Dan that handsome army bloke who comes across well on telly?
No-one who was a Labour minister in the last Labour government should stand for the leadership. They are yesterday's news. Let Chukka, Liz and Dan battle it out. It's time for a new start.
Really? I think if anything the opposite. One of the main problems imo with Ed is he didn't have ENOUGH experience on the political frontline. He had no idea how to communicate because he simply didn't have enough experience of canvassing and persuading real people.
First negative comments Ive heard about SNP from Kirsty Wark in Edinburgh saying Labour think they can hold Edib South and Edin North and Leith.
The second one sounds completely ridiculous. But it's Kirsty "I was on the committee which screwed up the Scottish Parliament then made the documentary that said it wasn't Labour's fault because I love Labour" Wark.
Any Labour retainer in scotland would be a nail to an Exit Poll coffin.
Wark is BBC London now so doesn't need the party backing for a BBC Scotland job.
Might cost Clement/Wark some commissions if Scotland gets to control BBC Scotland though.
No-one who was a Labour minister in the last Labour government should stand for the leadership. They are yesterday's news. Let Chukka, Liz and Dan battle it out. It's time for a new start.
Can I just say Southam that my favourite post here on Thursday was one of yours.
It was the one where you wrote movingly of the way people went out and cheerily voted, all mucking in together to make it work, and how this made you feel what a great country this was.
2. The exit poll won't be exactly right. The figure which I think is most likely to be wrong by a fair margin is the LibDem one. I expect them to do better than 10, simply on personal vote in various constituencies.
3. Blimey, Labour figures including Harman and Balls trying to spin these figures as leaving room for them to sneak into No 10 on the back of the SNP, Plaid, Uncle Tom Cobbley and all? Are they completely mad?
4. If the exit poll is right, then I think I will be vindicated in my post earlier today that it's about differential turnout and differential enthusiasm. Who can be enthusiastic about Ed Miliband?
5. UKIP might yet snaffle a Labour seat or two. The Sunderland figures were quite good for them.
6. I did point out that it was very significant that the Tories were putting so much effort into LD-held seats.
Nats will like this. Effie Deans @Effiedeans To be clear my involvement with #SNPout has always been peripheral. I just help with tweets. The team deserves the credit #GE2015ill like this
The overall percentages could still be roughly as per the opinion polls. It is just that the Blue vote might just be much more efficient than before with Labour piling up votes in seats they already hold whilst UKIP will take votes from the Tories in alot of places where it does make a difference.
Ive mentioned over and over on here, that the hyper con held labour marginal seats im involved in, one of them directly, one indirectly have shown *no* swing against conservatives in these north west seats.
One seat under a thousand, and one seat under five hundred.
Both seats are so narrow that we could still see them as losses, but what we were seeing in the polls was not reflected on the ground.
No-one who was a Labour minister in the last Labour government should stand for the leadership. They are yesterday's news. Let Chukka, Liz and Dan battle it out. It's time for a new start.
Really? I think if anything the opposite. One of the main problems imo with Ed is he didn't have ENOUGH experience on the political frontline. He had no idea how to communicate because he simply didn't have enough experience of canvassing and persuading real people.
No, this is a final defeat for the Labour old guard. They are finished. Labour needs to start again.
No-one who was a Labour minister in the last Labour government should stand for the leadership. They are yesterday's news. Let Chukka, Liz and Dan battle it out. It's time for a new start.
Is Dan that handsome army bloke who comes across well on telly?
If so, I agree - good choice.
Yep, Dan Jarvis. The man with the perfect back story.
Southam, one of the key lessons from this is that Labour must not rely on inexperienced politicians to lead them. There is no doubting Labour's intentions - it is their competence that is in question. You don't solve that by accelerating the promotion of political juveniles. The Miliband brothers could have been contenders, but it looks as though both are burnt out of British politics in their early 40s. The fundamentals favoured the Tories here, and they will again if Labour turn to another lightweight.
First negative comments Ive heard about SNP from Kirsty Wark in Edinburgh saying Labour think they can hold Edib South and Edin North and Leith.
The second one sounds completely ridiculous. But it's Kirsty "I was on the committee which screwed up the Scottish Parliament then made the documentary that said it wasn't Labour's fault because I love Labour" Wark.
Sarah (John's daughter) Smith saying the same thing
On LBC, @LordAshcroft says his poll of 12,000 voters - Con 34%, Lab 31% - is inconsistent with the exit poll
If the Exit Poll is correct LordA has to resign from the polling industry, all of his constituency polls would have been massively wrong apart from Scotland.
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Labour party officials looking confident while watching the Bradford West count. Lib Dems looking nervous over on the Bradford East tables.
The second one sounds completely ridiculous. But it's Kirsty "I was on the committee which screwed up the Scottish Parliament then made the documentary that said it wasn't Labour's fault because I love Labour" Wark.
One of the Tory team at the Nuneaton count says they are now "quietly confident" of holding seat
Exxxxceeelllennnt... (in a Mr Burns voice)
Does seem odd that there are such wide variations in Con/Lab battles.
LOL at Dinsmore thinking a minority adminstration will be 'stable'.
If so, I agree - good choice.
Might cost Clement/Wark some commissions if Scotland gets to control BBC Scotland though.
It was the one where you wrote movingly of the way people went out and cheerily voted, all mucking in together to make it work, and how this made you feel what a great country this was.
And you then voted for change.
1. Hahahaha!
2. The exit poll won't be exactly right. The figure which I think is most likely to be wrong by a fair margin is the LibDem one. I expect them to do better than 10, simply on personal vote in various constituencies.
3. Blimey, Labour figures including Harman and Balls trying to spin these figures as leaving room for them to sneak into No 10 on the back of the SNP, Plaid, Uncle Tom Cobbley and all? Are they completely mad?
4. If the exit poll is right, then I think I will be vindicated in my post earlier today that it's about differential turnout and differential enthusiasm. Who can be enthusiastic about Ed Miliband?
5. UKIP might yet snaffle a Labour seat or two. The Sunderland figures were quite good for them.
6. I did point out that it was very significant that the Tories were putting so much effort into LD-held seats.
Edit - Yes just seen Lord A.
Effie Deans
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To be clear my involvement with #SNPout has always been peripheral. I just help with tweets. The team deserves the credit #GE2015ill like this
But Peston is still a cock.
On LBC, @LordAshcroft says his poll of 12,000 voters - Con 34%, Lab 31% - is inconsistent with the exit poll
One seat under a thousand, and one seat under five hundred.
Both seats are so narrow that we could still see them as losses, but what we were seeing in the polls was not reflected on the ground.
No swing against the conservatives!
Farage has lost. HIs ITV interview reaction and body language and language. He's GONE.
lol....
Tory sources in Kingston & Surbiton believe Ed Davey is in 'real trouble' #GE2015
But his project to destroy the Labour Party is going very well.