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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    murali_s said:

    Apropos of turnout... a few hours telling this morning in middle class area of Tooting saw turnout up about 15% on last election... Mansion Tax working for you, Sadiq?
    N.B. This is only one PS in one ward of Tooting, but we only have to overturn a 2500 majority and if enough 2010 LDs hold their noses and vote against the "Three-bed London Semi Tax for Scottish Nurses", then he's toast.
    Fun this, huh?
    FWIW, my prediction stands at C 306, Lab 248, LD 24.

    Where in London is a bog standard 3-bed semi £2 million?

    Sadiq, who's a very popular local MP, will comfortably increase his majority.

    Some of the nonsense spouted out by right-wing nut-jobs on here beggars belief!
    If it's nonsense then shouldn't it all by its very definition beggar belief? Otherwise it might merely be wrong, but plausible.

    But yeah, there's a lot of straw clutching going to be going on in some quarters.

    The anger stage is not far away now.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Prodicus said:

    Attn YG fans.

    Some info on the exit poll tonight. And Peter Kellner says YouGov will be releasing its own 10pm kinda-exit-poll. pic.twitter.com/35K4TvylZd

    — joshi herrmann (@joshi) May 7, 2015

    Apols if we knew this.

    Early figures must tie in with Kellners thoughts! Lol
    Or not
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    I have to say, I find it remarkable that Cameron is still favourite to be 'next PM' (by which, I assume they mean PM after the election).

    I would make him no more than a 25% shot.

    Many of your pals are still putting in money. I was talking to my solicitor just 5 minutes back and told him that sterling has dropped 4c against the EUR.

    He said, tomorrow it will be up when Cameron comes back. Stupid git !
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    murali_s said:

    Apropos of turnout... a few hours telling this morning in middle class area of Tooting saw turnout up about 15% on last election... Mansion Tax working for you, Sadiq?
    N.B. This is only one PS in one ward of Tooting, but we only have to overturn a 2500 majority and if enough 2010 LDs hold their noses and vote against the "Three-bed London Semi Tax for Scottish Nurses", then he's toast.
    Fun this, huh?
    FWIW, my prediction stands at C 306, Lab 248, LD 24.

    Where in London is a bog standard 3-bed semi £2 million?

    Sadiq, who's a very popular local MP, will comfortably increase his majority.

    Some of the nonsense spouted out by right-wing nut-jobs on here beggars belief!
    I agree, I don't think the mansion tax is a good idea (property rights, targets everyone when it should target just foreign 'investors' etc.) but the idea it would affect many people or their votes is bizarre. Out of touch by the Conservative leadership.
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658

    Prodicus said:


    FWIW, my prediction stands at C 306, Lab 248, LD 24.

    'Oh, Toto, we're not alone after all!' *weeps with relief*

    (Nervous, moi?)

    To offer some balance :-) My predictions:

    Tory 269
    Lab 280
    Lib Dem 26
    UKIP 3
    Balance schmalance. I'm miserable (but yeah, OK)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Fenster said:

    Are you confident Richard?

    I must say I thought things with move towards the Tories at this point and I would've bet my house on the Tories being 3%-4% ahead in the national vote share.

    Doesn't look likely now.

    I think they will be 3% to 4% ahead on the national vote share. Whether that's enough to save us from Ed is unclear.
    Why are the polls getting it wrong?
    It may not be the pollsters or punters getting it wrong. It could be the dammned voters getting it wrong!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150

    Mandelson doorstepping in Ilford North
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEZijkpWEAA628c.jpg:large


    I'll probably miss him by the time I get to Ilford to vote this evening!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I've slapped £20 on the Most seats market taking my election exposure up to £570. It would be rude not to at those prices.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    dyingswan said:

    This is my 13th general election. I worked for Labour in1970 and called the result wrong on the night until Guildford was declared and then I realised I had deluded myself out of bias. Many people on here will do that today. I called it for Major in 1992. Today I have a gut feeling that Labour will win. There will be buyers regret very quickly and tremendous anger when Labour raid pension funds to fill the hole they will create in public finances. Still that is democracy I suppose. Even when I campaigned for Labour I was under no illusion that they were hopeless about balancing the books

    Miliband has left himself hostage to fortune on plenty of things.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    surbiton said:

    I have to say, I find it remarkable that Cameron is still favourite to be 'next PM' (by which, I assume they mean PM after the election).

    I would make him no more than a 25% shot.

    Many of your pals are still putting in money. I was talking to my solicitor just 5 minutes back and told him that sterling has dropped 4c against the EUR.

    He said, tomorrow it will be up when Cameron comes back. Stupid git !
    Correct. It will sink even lower if Miliband wins.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150
    edited May 2015
    *ICM update*

    *ICM update*

    *ICM update*


    http://www.icmunlimited.com/data/media/pdf/2015_final_poll_FINAL.pdf

    Lab lead 35 to Con 34!

    Lab 35 (+3)
    Con 34 (-1)
    UKIP 11(-2)
    LD 9 (nc)
    Grn 4 (-1)
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    *ICM update*

    *ICM update*

    *ICM update*


    http://www.icmunlimited.com/data/media/pdf/2015_final_poll_FINAL.pdf

    Lab lead 35 to Con 34!

    Lab 35 (+3)
    Con 34 (-1)
    UKIP 11(-2)
    LD 9 (nc)
    Grn 4 (-1)

    We've seen all the polls Sunil.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Prodicus said:

    Hard at work inside our @Ladbrokes #GE2015 hub this afternoon ... pic.twitter.com/kd8sxTiK3s

    — Ladbrokes Politics (@LadPolitics) May 7, 2015

    In case anyone missed it, there was an interesting piece on Shadsy on fivethirtyeight.com a couple of days ago. I'm not sure he was supposed to admit that price-sensitive punters get their accounts closed.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    edited May 2015

    murali_s said:

    Apropos of turnout... a few hours telling this morning in middle class area of Tooting saw turnout up about 15% on last election... Mansion Tax working for you, Sadiq?
    N.B. This is only one PS in one ward of Tooting, but we only have to overturn a 2500 majority and if enough 2010 LDs hold their noses and vote against the "Three-bed London Semi Tax for Scottish Nurses", then he's toast.
    Fun this, huh?
    FWIW, my prediction stands at C 306, Lab 248, LD 24.

    Where in London is a bog standard 3-bed semi £2 million?

    Sadiq, who's a very popular local MP, will comfortably increase his majority.

    Some of the nonsense spouted out by right-wing nut-jobs on here beggars belief!
    Classy response, Murali.
    Post your own experiences from this morning and I promise I won't call you names.
    I apologise for the name calling. It just frustrates me that there is no balance on this blog at times. It's well know that this is a Tory hangout joint and I should take cognisance of that before I post.

    Once again - sorry!
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    Prodicus said:

    Attn YG fans.

    Some info on the exit poll tonight. And Peter Kellner says YouGov will be releasing its own 10pm kinda-exit-poll. pic.twitter.com/35K4TvylZd

    — joshi herrmann (@joshi) May 7, 2015

    Apols if we knew this.
    Early figures must tie in with Kellners thoughts! Lol
    Or not

    If we see a decent Lab plurality, will Kellner have to answer for predicting against Yougov?
  • roserees64roserees64 Posts: 251
    Bye bye Cameron and the Tory clones!
  • macisbackmacisback Posts: 382
    HHemmelig said:

    I have noticed that JackW has recently stopped writing "Ed Miliband Will Never Be Prime Minister" in his posts. I presume it's because he now secretly accepts Ed has a very good chance of reaching no.10 and is trying to gradually backtrack without looking too stupid. I think it's very likely ARSE will be way off this time and given the arrogant certainty of his posts Mr W will hardly be able to complain about the ridicule he may well attract tomorrow.

    Unlikely he does believe Eddy will make no10 judging by his final ARSE. He has a right to his prediction and is strong enough to stick by it, not sure why that should attract such vitriol, never really understood people getting upset when a political prediction doesn't match their own preference. Almost football supporter fervour amongst some Labour supporters in particular.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    SeanT said:

    Fenster said:

    Are you confident Richard?

    I must say I thought things with move towards the Tories at this point and I would've bet my house on the Tories being 3%-4% ahead in the national vote share.

    Doesn't look likely now.

    I think they will be 3% to 4% ahead on the national vote share. Whether that's enough to save us from Ed is unclear.
    If Cameron is 3-4% ahead on votes he will be well ahead on seats (20-30?), in that situation I'd say he is highly likely to be PM: the Legitimacy Question.

    However, as may be clear - ! - I doubt the Tories will even be 2% ahead (at most) and Labour will probably have the edge in seats.

    One of us is going to be wrong. Your prediction is interesting to me, as you were so accurate on the indyref. But I remain despondent about Dave's chances.

    And now I am going to go and see my girlfriend the policewoman, who is guarding the Polling Station at Primrose hill! I may bribe her to bar a few shifty, unsavoury, dishevelled local types from entering- playwrights, actors, musicians, Labour bigwigs, etc.
    If Labour are only 20 seats behind then EICIPM:

    Lab - 266
    Con - 286
    LD - 25
    SNP - 50
    Oth - 5
    NI - 18

    Lab+SNP+PC+Grn+SDLP=320, which will be enough.

    If Labour is 30 seats behind, that does then enter knife-edge territory and at that point legitimacy does come into play.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Prodicus said:

    Attn YG fans.

    Some info on the exit poll tonight. And Peter Kellner says YouGov will be releasing its own 10pm kinda-exit-poll. pic.twitter.com/35K4TvylZd

    — joshi herrmann (@joshi) May 7, 2015

    Apols if we knew this.
    Early figures must tie in with Kellners thoughts! Lol
    Or not
    If we see a decent Lab plurality, will Kellner have to answer for predicting against Yougov?

    If we see the opposite, will the pollsters tell us what happened or will they just amend their methodology?,
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Don't meet him after sunset goes down! Pay attention in the polling place....

    Mandelson doorstepping in Ilford North
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEZijkpWEAA628c.jpg:large


    I'll probably miss him by the time I get to Ilford to vote this evening!
  • BaskervilleBaskerville Posts: 391

    I apologise for the name calling. It just frustrates me that there is no balance on this blog at times. It's well know that this is a Tory hangout joint and I should take cognisance of that before I post.

    Once again - sorry!

    Apology accepted.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    Prodicus said:

    Attn YG fans.

    Some info on the exit poll tonight. And Peter Kellner says YouGov will be releasing its own 10pm kinda-exit-poll. pic.twitter.com/35K4TvylZd

    — joshi herrmann (@joshi) May 7, 2015

    Apols if we knew this.
    Early figures must tie in with Kellners thoughts! Lol
    Or not
    If we see a decent Lab plurality, will Kellner have to answer for predicting against Yougov?
    If we see the opposite, will the pollsters tell us what happened or will they just amend their methodology?,


    Hopefully both?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Lab up one on Spin :-)
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited May 2015
    RodCrosby said:

    Lovely day up here on the Sefton Coast.

    Just voted. Turnout described as "steady", and "unremarkable".

    And 5 minutes after I get back, 2 Tory leaflets are pushed through the letterbox.

    "Vote Conservative Today" (small)
    "Your vote will deliver... Competent leadership OR Coalition of chaos" (larger)
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Turnout comment.

    When I voted, I noted the polling station was busy.

    Apparently in one hour this morning they had 7x as many voters, as in that same period last year.

    This year is a GE, of course, but it seems turnout will be high. Weather very nice too.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036

    Prodicus said:

    Attn YG fans.

    Some info on the exit poll tonight. And Peter Kellner says YouGov will be releasing its own 10pm kinda-exit-poll. pic.twitter.com/35K4TvylZd

    — joshi herrmann (@joshi) May 7, 2015

    Apols if we knew this.
    Early figures must tie in with Kellners thoughts! Lol
    Or not
    If we see a decent Lab plurality, will Kellner have to answer for predicting against Yougov?
    If we see the opposite, will the pollsters tell us what happened or will they just amend their methodology?,

    If not from the pollsters themselves, we will certainly see a post-mortem on election polling from the academics at some point.
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    edited May 2015

    Not only are @darlingtonbc refusing to re-run the ballot, they have not even issued an apology. Disgraceful. #ElectoralFraud

    — Alexandra Swann (@AlexandralSwann) May 7, 2015

    Lots of happy lawyers ordering supercars today, I hear.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052

    SeanT said:

    Fenster said:

    Are you confident Richard?

    I must say I thought things with move towards the Tories at this point and I would've bet my house on the Tories being 3%-4% ahead in the national vote share.

    Doesn't look likely now.

    I think they will be 3% to 4% ahead on the national vote share. Whether that's enough to save us from Ed is unclear.
    If Cameron is 3-4% ahead on votes he will be well ahead on seats (20-30?), in that situation I'd say he is highly likely to be PM: the Legitimacy Question.

    However, as may be clear - ! - I doubt the Tories will even be 2% ahead (at most) and Labour will probably have the edge in seats.

    One of us is going to be wrong. Your prediction is interesting to me, as you were so accurate on the indyref. But I remain despondent about Dave's chances.

    And now I am going to go and see my girlfriend the policewoman, who is guarding the Polling Station at Primrose hill! I may bribe her to bar a few shifty, unsavoury, dishevelled local types from entering- playwrights, actors, musicians, Labour bigwigs, etc.
    If Labour are only 20 seats behind then EICIPM:

    Lab - 266
    Con - 286
    LD - 25
    SNP - 50
    Oth - 5
    NI - 18

    Lab+SNP+PC+Grn+SDLP=320, which will be enough.

    If Labour is 30 seats behind, that does then enter knife-edge territory and at that point legitimacy does come into play.
    "Legitimacy" is just spin. Whoever can form a govt can form a govt.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150

    *ICM update*

    *ICM update*

    *ICM update*


    http://www.icmunlimited.com/data/media/pdf/2015_final_poll_FINAL.pdf

    Lab lead 35 to Con 34!

    Lab 35 (+3)
    Con 34 (-1)
    UKIP 11(-2)
    LD 9 (nc)
    Grn 4 (-1)

    We've seen all the polls Sunil.
    OK just checking :)

    So is that it then?

    Can I post my final ELBOW?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    *ICM update*

    *ICM update*

    *ICM update*


    http://www.icmunlimited.com/data/media/pdf/2015_final_poll_FINAL.pdf

    Lab lead 35 to Con 34!

    Lab 35 (+3)
    Con 34 (-1)
    UKIP 11(-2)
    LD 9 (nc)
    Grn 4 (-1)

    We've seen all the polls Sunil.
    OK just checking :)

    So is that it then?

    Can I post my final ELBOW?
    Go for your guns!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited May 2015

    SeanT said:

    Fenster said:

    Are you confident Richard?

    I must say I thought things with move towards the Tories at this point and I would've bet my house on the Tories being 3%-4% ahead in the national vote share.

    Doesn't look likely now.

    I think they will be 3% to 4% ahead on the national vote share. Whether that's enough to save us from Ed is unclear.
    If Cameron is 3-4% ahead on votes he will be well ahead on seats (20-30?), in that situation I'd say he is highly likely to be PM: the Legitimacy Question.

    However, as may be clear - ! - I doubt the Tories will even be 2% ahead (at most) and Labour will probably have the edge in seats.

    One of us is going to be wrong. Your prediction is interesting to me, as you were so accurate on the indyref. But I remain despondent about Dave's chances.

    And now I am going to go and see my girlfriend the policewoman, who is guarding the Polling Station at Primrose hill! I may bribe her to bar a few shifty, unsavoury, dishevelled local types from entering- playwrights, actors, musicians, Labour bigwigs, etc.
    If Labour are only 20 seats behind then EICIPM:

    Lab - 266
    Con - 286
    LD - 25
    SNP - 50
    Oth - 5
    NI - 18

    Lab+SNP+PC+Grn+SDLP=320, which will be enough.

    If Labour is 30 seats behind, that does then enter knife-edge territory and at that point legitimacy does come into play.
    I think at 20 seats behind there would be enough internal Labour pressure to have Ed pass on PMship.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited May 2015
    George Eaton (the top Miliband fanboy) has confirmed on Twitter that Labour's "internal forecasts" prior to today had them getting less seats than the Tories.

    Goodness knows what's actually going on.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    SeanT said:

    Fenster said:

    Are you confident Richard?

    I must say I thought things with move towards the Tories at this point and I would've bet my house on the Tories being 3%-4% ahead in the national vote share.

    Doesn't look likely now.

    I think they will be 3% to 4% ahead on the national vote share. Whether that's enough to save us from Ed is unclear.
    If Cameron is 3-4% ahead on votes he will be well ahead on seats (20-30?), in that situation I'd say he is highly likely to be PM: the Legitimacy Question.

    However, as may be clear - ! - I doubt the Tories will even be 2% ahead (at most) and Labour will probably have the edge in seats.

    One of us is going to be wrong. Your prediction is interesting to me, as you were so accurate on the indyref. But I remain despondent about Dave's chances.

    And now I am going to go and see my girlfriend the policewoman, who is guarding the Polling Station at Primrose hill! I may bribe her to bar a few shifty, unsavoury, dishevelled local types from entering- playwrights, actors, musicians, Labour bigwigs, etc.
    If Labour are only 20 seats behind then EICIPM:

    Lab - 266
    Con - 286
    LD - 25
    SNP - 50
    Oth - 5
    NI - 18

    Lab+SNP+PC+Grn+SDLP=320, which will be enough.

    If Labour is 30 seats behind, that does then enter knife-edge territory and at that point legitimacy does come into play.
    Why do you think the LDs wouldn't want to play too? You don't believe their pre-election posturing is the be-all-and-end-all, do you?
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    *ICM update*

    *ICM update*

    *ICM update*


    http://www.icmunlimited.com/data/media/pdf/2015_final_poll_FINAL.pdf

    Lab lead 35 to Con 34!

    Lab 35 (+3)
    Con 34 (-1)
    UKIP 11(-2)
    LD 9 (nc)
    Grn 4 (-1)

    We've seen all the polls Sunil.
    OK just checking :)

    So is that it then?

    Can I post my final ELBOW?
    DO IT DO IT
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    To tackle the big issue of the day, we've voted now so come on Darren switch E4 back on. Missing Big Bang Theory.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Prodicus said:

    Not only are @darlingtonbc refusing to re-run the ballot, they have not even issued an apology. Disgraceful. #ElectoralFraud

    — Alexandra Swann (@AlexandralSwann) May 7, 2015

    Lots of happy lawyers ordering supercars today, I hear.

    Lab plurality of one and they take Darlington by 50 from UKIP.
    I'm calling it now!
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    100 years ago almost to the minute, the waters closed over the Lusitania....
  • This could all come down to the simple reason I abandoned the Tories. The recovery has not got beyond the pockets of the banks and the rich. Voters may prefer Cameron and might be wary of Ed. There is however an underlying resentment that the rich have not been brought to heel, that taxes are not paid by the very wealthiest corps and people and so why should we face austerity if it benefits us not a jot?
    There's your Labour plurality and Lab/SNP majority

    I agree. The tiniest concession to taxing the rich - maybe a higher ceiling on Council Tax (if the mansion tax was unfeasible) - would have nullified the "they're a party for the rich" meme.

    But no. They're a party for the rich.

    What exciting game-changing policies do we get? An inheritance tax cut benefitting the richest and a policy allowing the poorest in society (in social housing) the right to buy. Oh, and with the money they've got spare having bought their council flat, maybe they could buy some Lloyds shares. Laughable.

    I think the coalition has been pretty good all round considering the 2010 prognosis. I put this down to the LibDems.

    I'm classic petit-bourgeoisie. Middle aged. Business owner. Home owner. Parent. Core vote, I should be.

    But on the basis of the 2015 manifesto and the 2015 campaign and an evident detachment from the real lives that 90% of electors live, the tories deserve to go down. I'm actually annoyed at them that they couldn't make one, tiny, visible extra charge on people as rich as them. Just one.

    Once again in my constituency I simply have to spunk my vote on the the LibDems when me, and a couple of thousand others like me, could have voted tory and seen Ed Balls heading for the dole office rather than Downing Street. I'll sit tight for ERS and CT and interest rates and whatever to go up and properly fuck me up. Thanks tories.



    What proportion of all tax do you think the top 10% and indeed top 1% should pay?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150

    *ICM update*

    *ICM update*

    *ICM update*


    http://www.icmunlimited.com/data/media/pdf/2015_final_poll_FINAL.pdf

    Lab lead 35 to Con 34!

    Lab 35 (+3)
    Con 34 (-1)
    UKIP 11(-2)
    LD 9 (nc)
    Grn 4 (-1)

    We've seen all the polls Sunil.
    OK just checking :)

    So is that it then?

    Can I post my final ELBOW?
    Lab lead 0.3% inc everyone

    YG = 0.2% Lab lead
    Non-YG = 0.4% Lab lead

    Phones = 0.5% Con lead (ICM effect!)
    Onlines = 0.5% Lab lead

    Official figs. inc. everyone: (brackets = change on "week"-ending 30th April)

    Lab 33.6 (-0.3)
    Con 33.3 (-0.5)
    UKIP 13.2 (+0.3)
    LD 9.0 (+0.5)
    Grn 4.8 (-0.2)

    Lab lead 0.3 (+0.2)
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    In Guido's office sweep, Harry Cole's numbers are the closest to mine. Worrying.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150
    edited May 2015
    I'll have to go to my meeting soon, and then go home to vote and come back to the Midlands tonight - may need to splash out on Virgin Trains wifi to Tweet the FINAL pretty graphs before polling ends :)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    Fenster said:

    Are you confident Richard?

    I must say I thought things with move towards the Tories at this point and I would've bet my house on the Tories being 3%-4% ahead in the national vote share.

    Doesn't look likely now.

    I think they will be 3% to 4% ahead on the national vote share. Whether that's enough to save us from Ed is unclear.
    If Cameron is 3-4% ahead on votes he will be well ahead on seats (20-30?), in that situation I'd say he is highly likely to be PM: the Legitimacy Question.

    However, as may be clear - ! - I doubt the Tories will even be 2% ahead (at most) and Labour will probably have the edge in seats.

    One of us is going to be wrong. Your prediction is interesting to me, as you were so accurate on the indyref. But I remain despondent about Dave's chances.

    And now I am going to go and see my girlfriend the policewoman, who is guarding the Polling Station at Primrose hill! I may bribe her to bar a few shifty, unsavoury, dishevelled local types from entering- playwrights, actors, musicians, Labour bigwigs, etc.
    Did you vote Tory this time?
  • Chris123Chris123 Posts: 174
    edited May 2015
    RodCrosby said:

    100 years ago almost to the minute, the waters closed over the Lusitania....

    70 years ago, almost to the minute, the curtain drew on the Third Reich.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    To tackle the big issue of the day, we've voted now so come on Darren switch E4 back on. Missing Big Bang Theory.

    They are switching it back on at 7pm

    Which is a total cop out in my opinion.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    From RA Heinlein

    “The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’

    ‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.”
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Over halfway through polling guys and gals.....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150
    Chris123 said:

    RodCrosby said:

    100 years ago almost to the minute, the waters closed over the Lusitania....

    70 years ago, almost to the minute, the curtain drew on the Third Reich.
    VE Day = Victory over Ed day?

    or

    VE Day = Victory over Etonians Day?

    :)
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656

    SeanT said:

    Fenster said:

    Are you confident Richard?

    I must say I thought things with move towards the Tories at this point and I would've bet my house on the Tories being 3%-4% ahead in the national vote share.

    Doesn't look likely now.

    I think they will be 3% to 4% ahead on the national vote share. Whether that's enough to save us from Ed is unclear.
    If Cameron is 3-4% ahead on votes he will be well ahead on seats (20-30?), in that situation I'd say he is highly likely to be PM: the Legitimacy Question.

    However, as may be clear - ! - I doubt the Tories will even be 2% ahead (at most) and Labour will probably have the edge in seats.

    One of us is going to be wrong. Your prediction is interesting to me, as you were so accurate on the indyref. But I remain despondent about Dave's chances.

    And now I am going to go and see my girlfriend the policewoman, who is guarding the Polling Station at Primrose hill! I may bribe her to bar a few shifty, unsavoury, dishevelled local types from entering- playwrights, actors, musicians, Labour bigwigs, etc.
    If Labour are only 20 seats behind then EICIPM:

    Lab - 266
    Con - 286
    LD - 25
    SNP - 50
    Oth - 5
    NI - 18

    Lab+SNP+PC+Grn+SDLP=320, which will be enough.

    If Labour is 30 seats behind, that does then enter knife-edge territory and at that point legitimacy does come into play.
    Do you really think a five party coalition that still doesn't have a majority, let alone a working majority, is going to be a goer? It would be an absolute disaster and would barely last a few months.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,328
    FalseFlag said:

    murali_s said:

    Apropos of turnout... a few hours telling this morning in middle class area of Tooting saw turnout up about 15% on last election... Mansion Tax working for you, Sadiq?
    N.B. This is only one PS in one ward of Tooting, but we only have to overturn a 2500 majority and if enough 2010 LDs hold their noses and vote against the "Three-bed London Semi Tax for Scottish Nurses", then he's toast.
    Fun this, huh?
    FWIW, my prediction stands at C 306, Lab 248, LD 24.

    Where in London is a bog standard 3-bed semi £2 million?

    Sadiq, who's a very popular local MP, will comfortably increase his majority.

    Some of the nonsense spouted out by right-wing nut-jobs on here beggars belief!
    I agree, I don't think the mansion tax is a good idea (property rights, targets everyone when it should target just foreign 'investors' etc.) but the idea it would affect many people or their votes is bizarre. Out of touch by the Conservative leadership.
    Agreed but would make three points:-

    1. Near where I live, 3-bedroom terraced houses are being marketed at £1.5 mio, quite a jump from recent sale prices. If house prices carry on rising at the rate they are, it won't be long before they turn into "mansions".
    2. Anyone thinking the threshold will be kept at £2mio is living in La-La-Land, IMO. There is a high risk/probability that the threshold will be lowered to £1mio or £750K, as some Labour MPs have suggested. All taxes start out as small taxes on a few rich people and end up, pretty quickly, being large taxes on everyone. This tax will be no exception.
    3. It's a tax which penalises those who live in their house a long time i.e. those who treat property as a home rather than as an investment. And it taxes people for a failure of government policy i.e. the failure to increase the supply of housing. Like many Labour policies it punishes those who do the right thing.

    The Tories should have been making these points. They should have been unscrupulous and talked right from the start about the terraced house tax and kept on repeating this (even though it's not currently true) in the same way that Labour talks about the bedroom tax which is not a tax.

  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited May 2015
    Alistair said:

    SeanT said:

    Fenster said:

    Are you confident Richard?

    I must say I thought things with move towards the Tories at this point and I would've bet my house on the Tories being 3%-4% ahead in the national vote share.

    Doesn't look likely now.

    I think they will be 3% to 4% ahead on the national vote share. Whether that's enough to save us from Ed is unclear.
    If Cameron is 3-4% ahead on votes he will be well ahead on seats (20-30?), in that situation I'd say he is highly likely to be PM: the Legitimacy Question.

    However, as may be clear - ! - I doubt the Tories will even be 2% ahead (at most) and Labour will probably have the edge in seats.

    One of us is going to be wrong. Your prediction is interesting to me, as you were so accurate on the indyref. But I remain despondent about Dave's chances.

    And now I am going to go and see my girlfriend the policewoman, who is guarding the Polling Station at Primrose hill! I may bribe her to bar a few shifty, unsavoury, dishevelled local types from entering- playwrights, actors, musicians, Labour bigwigs, etc.
    If Labour are only 20 seats behind then EICIPM:

    Lab - 266
    Con - 286
    LD - 25
    SNP - 50
    Oth - 5
    NI - 18

    Lab+SNP+PC+Grn+SDLP=320, which will be enough.

    If Labour is 30 seats behind, that does then enter knife-edge territory and at that point legitimacy does come into play.
    I think at 20 seats behind there would be enough internal Labour pressure to have Ed pass on PMship.
    Bah, it's not like 2010 when they were clearly exhausted, and the way politics is moving if they won't govern without a near-majority then they may never govern again. If they've got the numbers Ed will be PM.
  • FalseFlag said:

    murali_s said:

    Apropos of turnout... a few hours telling this morning in middle class area of Tooting saw turnout up about 15% on last election... Mansion Tax working for you, Sadiq?
    N.B. This is only one PS in one ward of Tooting, but we only have to overturn a 2500 majority and if enough 2010 LDs hold their noses and vote against the "Three-bed London Semi Tax for Scottish Nurses", then he's toast.
    Fun this, huh?
    FWIW, my prediction stands at C 306, Lab 248, LD 24.

    Where in London is a bog standard 3-bed semi £2 million?

    Sadiq, who's a very popular local MP, will comfortably increase his majority.

    Some of the nonsense spouted out by right-wing nut-jobs on here beggars belief!
    I agree, I don't think the mansion tax is a good idea (property rights, targets everyone when it should target just foreign 'investors' etc.) but the idea it would affect many people or their votes is bizarre. Out of touch by the Conservative leadership.
    No tax rises are a particularly good idea. The mansion tax will probably raise very little and the proceeds wasted.

    But you have to win elections and that requires some political nous. It's gesture politics, I acknowledge. But it's good politics because it seems fair to lots of people in the middle.

    If anyone wants to offer me £160k for my 4 bedroomed semi in a genuinely decent area with excellent local schools, 10 minute commute from central Leeds, I'll snatch their hand off.

    Anyone who believes modestly higher taxes on a £2million property is a net vote loser is utterly detached from the reality of life in Yorkshire or, for that matter, most of the country.

  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    weejonnie said:

    From RA Heinlein

    “The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’

    ‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.”

    Which period of perfect democracy was he describing? The period of segregation, when most black citizens were not allowed to vote? Or the time before that, when the wealth of the nation was built on the back of slavery?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    Greece going down to the wire then.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32625968
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited May 2015

    This could all come down to the simple reason I abandoned the Tories. The recovery has not got beyond the pockets of the banks and the rich. Voters may prefer Cameron and might be wary of Ed. There is however an underlying resentment that the rich have not been brought to heel, that taxes are not paid by the very wealthiest corps and people and so why should we face austerity if it benefits us not a jot?
    There's your Labour plurality and Lab/SNP majority

    Once again in my constituency I simply have to spunk my vote on the the LibDems when me, and a couple of thousand others like me, could have voted tory and seen Ed Balls heading for the dole office rather than Downing Street. I'll sit tight for ERS and CT and interest rates and whatever to go up and properly fuck me up. Thanks tories.

    So it's the Tories fault if Labour hike up taxes, because you voted for the LibDems. Weird.
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215

    Over halfway through polling guys and gals.....

    And still no hints.
  • weejonnie said:

    From RA Heinlein

    “The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’

    ‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.”

    Conservatives = Peter party
    Labour = Paul party
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417

    Chris123 said:

    RodCrosby said:

    100 years ago almost to the minute, the waters closed over the Lusitania....

    70 years ago, almost to the minute, the curtain drew on the Third Reich.
    VE Day = Victory over Ed day?

    or

    VE Day = Victory over Etonians Day?

    :)
    I am calling Ilford North for Ed
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Dear ms cycle free you appear to be conducting a postmortem before the patient has been pronounced dead.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Chris123 said:

    RodCrosby said:

    100 years ago almost to the minute, the waters closed over the Lusitania....

    70 years ago, almost to the minute, the curtain drew on the Third Reich.
    VE Day = Victory over Ed day?

    or

    VE Day = Victory over Etonians Day?

    :)
    Victorious Ed day
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Pulpstar said:

    Chris123 said:

    RodCrosby said:

    100 years ago almost to the minute, the waters closed over the Lusitania....

    70 years ago, almost to the minute, the curtain drew on the Third Reich.
    VE Day = Victory over Ed day?

    or

    VE Day = Victory over Etonians Day?

    :)
    I am calling Ilford North for Ed
    What's your latest prediction overall?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    DanSmith said:

    Over halfway through polling guys and gals.....

    And still no hints.
    Here's one. Get on Lab for Norwich North
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    When will the British Population realise that we pay far too much in tax.. it has to stop.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Alistair said:

    I've slapped £20 on the Most seats market taking my election exposure up to £570. It would be rude not to at those prices.

    Just laid the Tories to win a ton
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    To five more years of the most glorious coalition government that this country has ever known since the turn of the century.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited May 2015

    When will the British Population realise that we pay far too much in tax.. it has to stop.

    No sign that will ever be the case. Whoever gets in taxes are going up.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    cameron odds on to be PM but you can still back con/libdem coalition at 5/2 and con minority at 13/2 (both skybet). labour minority price has shortened even as Ed PM has gone odds against.
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    edited May 2015
    watford30 said:

    This could all come down to the simple reason I abandoned the Tories. The recovery has not got beyond the pockets of the banks and the rich. Voters may prefer Cameron and might be wary of Ed. There is however an underlying resentment that the rich have not been brought to heel, that taxes are not paid by the very wealthiest corps and people and so why should we face austerity if it benefits us not a jot?
    There's your Labour plurality and Lab/SNP majority

    .

    Once again in my constituency I simply have to spunk my vote on the the LibDems when me, and a couple of thousand others like me, could have voted tory and seen Ed Balls heading for the dole office rather than Downing Street. I'll sit tight for ERS and CT and interest rates and whatever to go up and properly fuck me up. Thanks tories


    I have read some nonsense on here but this is up with the best

  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Alistair said:

    To tackle the big issue of the day, we've voted now so come on Darren switch E4 back on. Missing Big Bang Theory.

    They are switching it back on at 7pm

    Which is a total cop out in my opinion.
    Totally agreed, they're switching back on in time for Hollyoaks. Bah, that's when I switch it off.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,328

    FalseFlag said:

    murali_s said:

    Apropos of turnout... a few hours telling this morning in middle class area of Tooting saw turnout up about 15% on last election... Mansion Tax working for you, Sadiq?
    N.B. This is only one PS in one ward of Tooting, but we only have to overturn a 2500 majority and if enough 2010 LDs hold their noses and vote against the "Three-bed London Semi Tax for Scottish Nurses", then he's toast.
    Fun this, huh?
    FWIW, my prediction stands at C 306, Lab 248, LD 24.

    Where in London is a bog standard 3-bed semi £2 million?

    Sadiq, who's a very popular local MP, will comfortably increase his majority.

    Some of the nonsense spouted out by right-wing nut-jobs on here beggars belief!
    I agree, I don't think the mansion tax is a good idea (property rights, targets everyone when it should target just foreign 'investors' etc.) but the idea it would affect many people or their votes is bizarre. Out of touch by the Conservative leadership.
    No tax rises are a particularly good idea. The mansion tax will probably raise very little and the proceeds wasted.

    But you have to win elections and that requires some political nous. It's gesture politics, I acknowledge. But it's good politics because it seems fair to lots of people in the middle.

    If anyone wants to offer me £160k for my 4 bedroomed semi in a genuinely decent area with excellent local schools, 10 minute commute from central Leeds, I'll snatch their hand off.

    Anyone who believes modestly higher taxes on a £2million property is a net vote loser is utterly detached from the reality of life in Yorkshire or, for that matter, most of the country.

    If there is going to be one, the mansion tax should be imposed on properties everywhere in the country i.e. on the top priced houses everywhere. Everyone should contribute to the NHS not just a few people. And it would be interesting to see how popular such a tax is when the relatively asset wealthy in regions a long way from London also have to pay it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036

    When will the British Population realise that we pay far too much in tax.. it has to stop.

    No sign that will ever be the case. Whoever gets in taxes are going up.
    Bread, circuses and tax credits.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    James Parker, the Green candidate for the south London marginal of Eltham, has told his supporters they should give their votes to Labour, Jessica Elgot reports.

    Parker, whose south London constituency is a Labour seat with a slim marginal of under 1,700 votes, told the Guardian he wanted to see Ed Miliband as prime minister.

    “If you are voting Green in Eltham as a protest, do vote for Clive Efford, the Labour candidate,” Parker said. “If you really feel Green in your heart, then vote for me, but it is more important that we don’t have a Conservative government.”

    Parker, who said he was genuinely still torn as to whether he would vote for himself, said he was hoping for Green victories in some of the closer seats, like Brighton Pavilion and Bristol West, but said he did not want people to vote Green where candidates, like him, could not win and where Labour was battling Tories.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/may/07/election-polling-day-live-tories-and-labour-neck-and-neck-uk-votes
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    On next PM markets, does it count if the next PM only lasts a few days / weeks?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Fenster said:

    Are you confident Richard?

    I must say I thought things with move towards the Tories at this point and I would've bet my house on the Tories being 3%-4% ahead in the national vote share.

    Doesn't look likely now.

    I think they will be 3% to 4% ahead on the national vote share. Whether that's enough to save us from Ed is unclear.
    Why are the polls getting it wrong?
    It may not be the pollsters or punters getting it wrong. It could be the dammned voters getting it wrong!
    They often do.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    DanSmith said:

    Over halfway through polling guys and gals.....

    And still no hints.
    Here's one. Get on Lab for Norwich North
    Not our poor Chloe :-(

  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    JEO said:

    SeanT said:

    Fenster said:

    Are you confident Richard?

    I must say I thought things with move towards the Tories at this point and I would've bet my house on the Tories being 3%-4% ahead in the national vote share.

    Doesn't look likely now.

    I think they will be 3% to 4% ahead on the national vote share. Whether that's enough to save us from Ed is unclear.
    If Cameron is 3-4% ahead on votes he will be well ahead on seats (20-30?), in that situation I'd say he is highly likely to be PM: the Legitimacy Question.

    However, as may be clear - ! - I doubt the Tories will even be 2% ahead (at most) and Labour will probably have the edge in seats.

    One of us is going to be wrong. Your prediction is interesting to me, as you were so accurate on the indyref. But I remain despondent about Dave's chances.

    And now I am going to go and see my girlfriend the policewoman, who is guarding the Polling Station at Primrose hill! I may bribe her to bar a few shifty, unsavoury, dishevelled local types from entering- playwrights, actors, musicians, Labour bigwigs, etc.
    If Labour are only 20 seats behind then EICIPM:

    Lab - 266
    Con - 286
    LD - 25
    SNP - 50
    Oth - 5
    NI - 18

    Lab+SNP+PC+Grn+SDLP=320, which will be enough.

    If Labour is 30 seats behind, that does then enter knife-edge territory and at that point legitimacy does come into play.
    Do you really think a five party coalition that still doesn't have a majority, let alone a working majority, is going to be a goer? It would be an absolute disaster and would barely last a few months.
    It doesn't have to be a coalition. The question is Ed or Dave. Look at it the other way round: that 320 is a guaranteed blocker for Dave. He would need virtually every other MP in the house, every time. And that's what would guarantee Ed the office. You're right that it wouldn't be very stable (though don't forget the Lib Dems, on offer to either side), but it would be more stable than the alternative and that's all that would matter.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917


    Turnout comment.

    When I voted, I noted the polling station was busy.

    Apparently in one hour this morning they had 7x as many voters, as in that same period last year.

    This year is a GE, of course, but it seems turnout will be high. Weather very nice too.

    I had to queue at my usually sleepy polling station. That was at 12.30 though, so may have just been a lunchtime rush.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Cyclefree said:

    FalseFlag said:

    murali_s said:

    Apropos of turnout... a few hours telling this morning in middle class area of Tooting saw turnout up about 15% on last election... Mansion Tax working for you, Sadiq?
    N.B. This is only one PS in one ward of Tooting, but we only have to overturn a 2500 majority and if enough 2010 LDs hold their noses and vote against the "Three-bed London Semi Tax for Scottish Nurses", then he's toast.
    Fun this, huh?
    FWIW, my prediction stands at C 306, Lab 248, LD 24.

    Where in London is a bog standard 3-bed semi £2 million?

    Sadiq, who's a very popular local MP, will comfortably increase his majority.

    Some of the nonsense spouted out by right-wing nut-jobs on here beggars belief!
    I agree, I don't think the mansion tax is a good idea (property rights, targets everyone when it should target just foreign 'investors' etc.) but the idea it would affect many people or their votes is bizarre. Out of touch by the Conservative leadership.
    No tax rises are a particularly good idea. The mansion tax will probably raise very little and the proceeds wasted.

    But you have to win elections and that requires some political nous. It's gesture politics, I acknowledge. But it's good politics because it seems fair to lots of people in the middle.

    If anyone wants to offer me £160k for my 4 bedroomed semi in a genuinely decent area with excellent local schools, 10 minute commute from central Leeds, I'll snatch their hand off.

    Anyone who believes modestly higher taxes on a £2million property is a net vote loser is utterly detached from the reality of life in Yorkshire or, for that matter, most of the country.

    If there is going to be one, the mansion tax should be imposed on properties everywhere in the country i.e. on the top priced houses everywhere. Everyone should contribute to the NHS not just a few people. And it would be interesting to see how popular such a tax is when the relatively asset wealthy in regions a long way from London also have to pay it.

    True. You could decide what a "mansion" was by eg number of bedrooms or floor area, and then even it out across the country.

    If such a tax were necessary. People already pay a tax based on the price of the property, it's called Stamp Duty.

  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,033
    edited May 2015

    When will the British Population realise that we pay far too much in tax.. it has to stop.

    Not with Labour it won't... (I've hit the "anger" stage")
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    I have just complete what looks like an exit poll from Populus.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    I've slapped £20 on the Most seats market taking my election exposure up to £570. It would be rude not to at those prices.

    Just laid the Tories to win a ton
    My £20 is hedged in 5 pound increments down to evens. I feel like I am recreating my doomed attempt at picking up pennies in front of the IndyRef steamroller. But in miniature.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Danny565 said:

    James Parker, the Green candidate for the south London marginal of Eltham, has told his supporters they should give their votes to Labour, Jessica Elgot reports.

    Parker, whose south London constituency is a Labour seat with a slim marginal of under 1,700 votes, told the Guardian he wanted to see Ed Miliband as prime minister.

    “If you are voting Green in Eltham as a protest, do vote for Clive Efford, the Labour candidate,” Parker said. “If you really feel Green in your heart, then vote for me, but it is more important that we don’t have a Conservative government.”

    Parker, who said he was genuinely still torn as to whether he would vote for himself, said he was hoping for Green victories in some of the closer seats, like Brighton Pavilion and Bristol West, but said he did not want people to vote Green where candidates, like him, could not win and where Labour was battling Tories.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/may/07/election-polling-day-live-tories-and-labour-neck-and-neck-uk-votes

    Wow! That's extraordinary. I wonder what Green HQ make of that?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    DanSmith said:

    Over halfway through polling guys and gals.....

    And still no hints.
    Here's one. Get on Lab for Norwich North
    Not our poor Chloe :-(

    TCTC actually but Jess is lovely, so it'll be ok
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036

    On next PM markets, does it count if the next PM only lasts a few days / weeks?

    There seems to be quite a bit of uncertainty on how and when some of these will be settled.

    The Times suggesting on their front page this morning that HMQ will deliver Cameron's speech on 27th unless he chooses to resign first only muddies the waters even more.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    May2015 Election ✔ @May2015NS

    So this is how it ends. May2015's final Poll of Polls:

    Tory—33.8%
    Lab—33.7%
    Ukip—12.6%
    LibDem—9.2%
    Green—4.6%

    Tied. pic.twitter.com/k5kQ7K5JSE

  • kingbongokingbongo Posts: 393
    Great sight at polling station in central Oxford - undergrads doing finals emerging from polling station in subfusc covered in silly string, party hats etc - democracy is a wonderful thing to behold
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    On next PM markets, does it count if the next PM only lasts a few days / weeks?

    Very good question. racing post pullout yesterday said Ladbrokes, Coral and Paddys would pay out on "next government formed" " regardless of whether it survives its first encounter with house of commons". which i take to mean even if a queens speech is defeated.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036

    Danny565 said:

    James Parker, the Green candidate for the south London marginal of Eltham, has told his supporters they should give their votes to Labour, Jessica Elgot reports.

    Parker, whose south London constituency is a Labour seat with a slim marginal of under 1,700 votes, told the Guardian he wanted to see Ed Miliband as prime minister.

    “If you are voting Green in Eltham as a protest, do vote for Clive Efford, the Labour candidate,” Parker said. “If you really feel Green in your heart, then vote for me, but it is more important that we don’t have a Conservative government.”

    Parker, who said he was genuinely still torn as to whether he would vote for himself, said he was hoping for Green victories in some of the closer seats, like Brighton Pavilion and Bristol West, but said he did not want people to vote Green where candidates, like him, could not win and where Labour was battling Tories.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/may/07/election-polling-day-live-tories-and-labour-neck-and-neck-uk-votes
    Wow! That's extraordinary. I wonder what Green HQ make of that?
    I imagine they will be charging him back his lost deposit, and as much as they've spent of leaflets for him, as an absolute minimum.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Greece going down to the wire then.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32625968

    Syriza has, so far, been all mouth and no trousers. I cannot see it changing unless an internal coup provides that change.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    When will the British Population realise that we pay far too much in tax.. it has to stop.

    When will the British Population realise that all my opinions are correct?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    weejonnie said:

    From RA Heinlein

    “The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’

    ‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.”

    An electorate will always tend to vote for its own interests. Restricting the franchise merely means that a different group of people vote in their own interests.

    The trick is somehow developing a culture with the ongoing and future public good is valued sufficiently highly. To use your analogy, the problem was not that Rome voted itself bread and circuses - which in any case, it didn't particularly: the most extravagant games and central dispersal of funds came from emperors, not the Senate - but that the country became fat and lazy on the riches of empire and lost the discipline, hunger and sense of civic honour that built it in the first place.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    So the final ICM has LAB 1pt ahead

    EICIPM
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    Leighton Williams, Nottm Univ numbers

    http://leightonvw.com/2015-uk-election-forecast/

  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Sandpit said:

    Danny565 said:

    James Parker, the Green candidate for the south London marginal of Eltham, has told his supporters they should give their votes to Labour, Jessica Elgot reports.

    Parker, whose south London constituency is a Labour seat with a slim marginal of under 1,700 votes, told the Guardian he wanted to see Ed Miliband as prime minister.

    “If you are voting Green in Eltham as a protest, do vote for Clive Efford, the Labour candidate,” Parker said. “If you really feel Green in your heart, then vote for me, but it is more important that we don’t have a Conservative government.”

    Parker, who said he was genuinely still torn as to whether he would vote for himself, said he was hoping for Green victories in some of the closer seats, like Brighton Pavilion and Bristol West, but said he did not want people to vote Green where candidates, like him, could not win and where Labour was battling Tories.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/may/07/election-polling-day-live-tories-and-labour-neck-and-neck-uk-votes
    Wow! That's extraordinary. I wonder what Green HQ make of that?
    I imagine they will be charging him back his lost deposit, and as much as they've spent of leaflets for him, as an absolute minimum.

    With any other party, yes for sure. But you never know with the Greens.
  • DanielDaniel Posts: 160
    Greens will be pissed about that. Party is trying to save deposits and generate much funding to build for future events.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046


    To five more years of the most glorious coalition government that this country has ever known since the turn of the century.

    Huzzah!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978
    edited May 2015
    I'm calling landslide for Clegg in Hallam.

    My Dad has just voted Lib Dem.

    He generally thinks the Lib Dems are a bunch of wet lettuces, and has voted Tory since 1987 but Clegg's done fine.

    So came as a real shock.

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Apparently Labour in London feel very chipper, with tips of Battersea looking "interesting".
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,328
    taffys said:

    Dear ms cycle free you appear to be conducting a postmortem before the patient has been pronounced dead.

    Well we have to fill the time!

    Even if the Tories win I still think my points are valid.

    I honestly don't know who will win. But I have not been impressed by the Tories as politicians, as communicators, as people who have to change the terms of trade of how the debate, the national conversation is conducted - something which every successful politician needs to do - even though they have been reasonably competent and have with the Lib Dems, implemented some good policies.

    The latter is not a story: inflation at 0% is not a story Why having sound money matters - because it helps you save, plan, budget, get on with your life is a story. Cutting public services is not a story - or not a good one. Explaining that the state can only spend your money and it has to prioritise and has to do what it chooses to do well rather than lots of things badly and this is what we are prioritising and why is a story.

    The story that any political party has to tell about itself, about us, about the country has to be said every day in big ways and small, in what it does, in how it does it, in the people it promotes and the people it doesn't, in the people it associates with, in how it treats people and talks about them. It is not something which you do weeks before an election in a manifesto.

    Honestly how hard is it for these Tory, Labour and Lib Dem boobies to understand this. All those SPADs studying PPE and they haven't the first clue about politics or about how to communicate.

    It's not media training these twits needs. The first thing you need when you communicate - the only important thing you need - is something to say, something that you want to say.

    The reason the manifestos are so bland and manicured and vacuous and bitty is because the parties have nothing, really, to say.

  • JGCJGC Posts: 64
    Pulpstar said:

    Chris123 said:

    RodCrosby said:

    100 years ago almost to the minute, the waters closed over the Lusitania....

    70 years ago, almost to the minute, the curtain drew on the Third Reich.
    VE Day = Victory over Ed day?

    or

    VE Day = Victory over Etonians Day?

    :)
    I am calling Ilford North for Ed
    On what evidence? I have been knocking on the doors there for many months, my hunch is that labour will win but there is no firm evidence one way or the other at the moment
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    MikeK said:

    Greece going down to the wire then.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32625968

    Syriza has, so far, been all mouth and no trousers. I cannot see it changing unless an internal coup provides that change.

    Funny, my old grandad RIP used to say 'all mouth and trousers'. I suppose he had it wrong, or maybe that was a regional variant.
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