Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 26m 26 minutes ago Even though views of EdM are negative most recent polls have LAB leads some up of up to 4%. On the face of it CON should be most worried.
My belief is that there are a significant number of senior Labour MP's who literally do not think Ed.M is actually up to the job of PM. he would be lime a rabbit caught in the headlights. Its not really about him being seen as weird but the great problem he has on reaching a decision. For example when he was Sec of State for Environment he drove his top civil servants mad with this problem. In the end it was the conviction that IDS wasn't up to the job of leading us Blues that cost him his job. These polls are not great at all for the Conservatives but its not their Leader who is dragging the numbers down. However we may well find that Labour will keep their useless Leader but the Tories will assassinate their good one!. The assassins will be led by David Davis who has a final very slim window of opportunity to become Leader and that is immediately post Rochester. How he must (and the rest of the plotters) be praying for a Ukip win. How as a longstanding member of the Conservative Party, I loathe these people with their wretched shenanigans.
Well said, Peter.
Labour may win despite their Leader. Tories may lose in spite of theirs. Both Parties cutting a poor impression. Farage prospering without doing a thing.
Wtf is it going to be like after Rochester?
We might have Survation showing the Tories in third place, as for ousting Cameron the chances are 2/1.
Yes, I would say it's odds on at least one poll putting UKIP ahead of Con before the end of the year.
Shame there's no market on it.
Peter - how odds-on are you proposing for say a £50 bet between us?
A couple of weeks ago, you cryptically referred to there being "reasons" for the Postie not entering any Labour leadership race - care to elaborate, cryptically of course?
Odds on both Milliband and Cameron gone before the GE? For all the excitement over the bazillion labour MPs stabbing Milliband, we already have reports of over a score of letters deposited with the 1922 calling for a leadership contest, and the Rochester by election was supposed to be the Tories punishing UKIP and showing who's boss.....
Out of curiosity have we had any Rochester canvassing anecdotes other than anothernick's (Lab) earlier this week ?
Yes, did you not see Jake Rees-Mogg and son campaigning in Rochester & Strood
My belief is that there are a significant number of senior Labour MP's who literally do not think Ed.M is actually up to the job of PM. he would be lime a rabbit caught in the headlights. Its not really about him being seen as weird but the great problem he has on reaching a decision. For example when he was Sec of State for Environment he drove his top civil servants mad with this problem. In the end it was the conviction that IDS wasn't up to the job of leading us Blues that cost him his job. These polls are not great at all for the Conservatives but its not their Leader who is dragging the numbers down. However we may well find that Labour will keep their useless Leader but the Tories will assassinate their good one!. The assassins will be led by David Davis who has a final very slim window of opportunity to become Leader and that is immediately post Rochester. How he must (and the rest of the plotters) be praying for a Ukip win. How as a longstanding member of the Conservative Party, I loathe these people with their wretched shenanigans.
Well said, Peter.
Labour may win despite their Leader. Tories may lose in spite of theirs. Both Parties cutting a poor impression. Farage prospering without doing a thing.
So on balance, all we can really deduce from tonite's polls is much the same as we've been deducing for a while - no comfort for any Party, except perhaps UKIP.
There may even be a poll putting UKIP in first place. It would be something like 28/27/27.
That could be dangerous, Andy. I might split my sides laughing.
Indeed. Because in the real world that's not Danczuk deploying chaff to make him look like 20 shadow ministers, we had the embarrassing farce of Cameron saying "WE WON'T PAY" and Osborne paying anyway but saying "I won a rebate" and the rest of Europe and the treasury saying"no you didn't".
Labour under attack from the media. Tories under attack from maths. Farage must be wetting himself
My belief is that there are a significant number of senior Labour MP's who literally do not think Ed.M is actually up to the job of PM. he would be lime a rabbit caught in the headlights. Its not really about him being seen as weird but the great problem he has on reaching a decision. For example when he was Sec of State for Environment he drove his top civil servants mad with this problem. In the end it was the conviction that IDS wasn't up to the job of leading us Blues that cost him his job. These polls are not great at all for the Conservatives but its not their Leader who is dragging the numbers down. However we may well find that Labour will keep their useless Leader but the Tories will assassinate their good one!. The assassins will be led by David Davis who has a final very slim window of opportunity to become Leader and that is immediately post Rochester. How he must (and the rest of the plotters) be praying for a Ukip win. How as a longstanding member of the Conservative Party, I loathe these people with their wretched shenanigans.
Well said, Peter.
Labour may win despite their Leader. Tories may lose in spite of theirs. Both Parties cutting a poor impression. Farage prospering without doing a thing.
Wtf is it going to be like after Rochester?
We might have Survation showing the Tories in third place, as for ousting Cameron the chances are 2/1.
Yes, I would say it's odds on at least one poll putting UKIP ahead of Con before the end of the year.
Shame there's no market on it.
There may even be a poll putting UKIP in first place. It would be something like 28/27/27.
That could be dangerous, Andy. I might split my sides laughing.
Could happen if UKIP win a crushing victory in Rochester.
David Davis is on a par with a traitorous pig dog.
He's written a piece on the Sunday Times.
THERESA MAY, the home secretary, has been accused of making “blood-curdling” and “patently untrue” claims about the dangers posed by opting out of the European arrest warrant ahead of a crunch Commons vote.
Writing in The Sunday Times, David Davis, a former Tory backbencher, challenged May over her warnings that Britain would become a safe haven for European criminals should MPs vote against the controversial warrant tomorrow. His comments reflect the anger of Eurosceptic Tory backbenchers at the tone of a robust lobbying campaign by May and Downing Street, which is aimed at containing a backbench rebellion.
Tristram Hunt @TristramHuntMP 1m1 minute ago @joeyjonessky This is nonsense. As I said on Friday, Ed is right man to lead Labour & country. He has set the terms of UK political debate.
Cameron and Osborne have badly mishandled Rochester, the EU Bill and the EAW. I was a firm Conservative voter for GE2015 but I am very angry about their handling of the EU Bill. And, far worse, the spinning. I feel taken for a fool and am for the first time starting to reconsider my vote.
This may cost them severely over the coming weeks.
I thought the notion was Ed would be out of the headlines for the next few days.
It was. Hence the second phase of the attack. Heil on Sunday front page breaks shocking news that Hunt stabs Ed, except that he'd already declared loyalty and has reiterated this tonight. Its a literal non-story, made up, spurious.
Would make things very interesting indeed. At the moment the Labour calculation they will suffer but less than the Tories is definitely holding true, it'd be nice to see them really panicking that they might be under just as much threat.
How can the BBC news at 11pm not even mention Ed and his woes given the press emerging minute by minute. Serously behind the plot or is it a weak attempt to keep the EU story going? Mmmmmmm
MoS story is total nonsense. As I made clear in a full media round on Friday, Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain. - @tristramhunt
How can the BBC news at 11pm not even mention Ed and his woes given the press emerging minute by minute. Serously behind the plot or is it a weak attempt to keep the EU story going? Mmmmmmm
"Ed Miliband's leadership was plunged into fresh crisis after reports that 20 shadow ministers are poised to call on him to quit.
Senior figures are ready to strike if former home secretary Alan Johnson signals he is prepared to step into the breach, according to The Observer.
The number of Labour MPs prepared to act has "reached a critical mass" but they want a coronation rather than a difficult leadership contest.
A senior figure told The Observer: "There are 20 frontbenchers who are actively considering what is best to do. They are from all areas of the party, bar the hard left."
I just don't see it myself - but if it's going to happen, it'll surely happen soon.
How can the BBC news at 11pm not even mention Ed and his woes given the press emerging minute by minute. Serously behind the plot or is it a weak attempt to keep the EU story going? Mmmmmmm
How do you think? It matters not a jot to those BBC lefties that Sky are actually LEADING on this story!
@joeyjonessky This is nonsense. As I said on Friday, Ed is right man to lead Labour & country. He has set the terms of UK political debate.
Interesting that the tweet does not in fact contradict the Mail story in any way...
Other that it does
MoS story is total nonsense. As I made clear in a full media round on Friday, Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain. - @tristramhunt
What part of the story is total nonsense do you think doesnt contradict the story FFS
@joeyjonessky This is nonsense. As I said on Friday, Ed is right man to lead Labour & country. He has set the terms of UK political debate.
Interesting that the tweet does not in fact contradict the Mail story in any way...
Other that it does
MoS story is total nonsense. As I made clear in a full media round on Friday, Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain. - @tristramhunt
What part of the story is total nonsense do you think doesnt contradict the story FFS
@LordAshcroft: I agree with @TristramHuntMP: Mail on Sunday story is total nonsense. Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain. Pls RT
Just how can my near namesake decide to go to bed amidst this exciting news and just when he could have taken me up on a £50 bet on whether or not UKIP will achieve a poll lead over the Tories this year as well as telling us exactly (well perhaps not EXACTLY) why Alan Johnson will never be Labour Party leader. PtP is a party pooper, that's what I say!
The Mail story is a blatant lie. The Observer story is so vastly inflated in numbers as to fail the sniff test. Yes there is disquiet. Yes Danczuk is a scab. But a Labour party out to stab Ed in the back? Only non the script the press decided to write.
Today’s poll shows Labour and the Tories level on 33%. However, if Johnson were leader, Labour would gain a 2% lead over the Tories. Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper, however, would worsen Labour’s electoral chances. There would be a 2% Tory lead with Cooper as leader, and a 3% Tory lead with Balls.
Poor polling for the Conservative Party. Firmly rooted at around 30% with no prospect of going higher.
In other news I witnessed the best FA Cup tie of first round as my team Dartford scrambled through by the odd goal in seven at local rivals Bromley. A classic cup tie in all respects. Stil buzzing 6 hours later!
I'd be interested in the crossbreaks of the Johnson question. I guess any gains Labour would make from 2010 Labour don't knows and UKIP would be cancelled out by Lib Dem switchers leaving
But the crucial thing is net result zero. Ed Miliband is not Labour's problem, it's that it's not left wing and WWC enough to prevent losing votes.
Labours problem is that socialism had been tried to destruction and found to be mince.
The public have had enough.
The problem is the public want it back, both the Labour party base and the Tory party base crave for a return to the policies of the 80's, they demand Socialism and Thatcherism.
As proven also by a NYT article that I posted, the moderate centrists are a minority, the majority of the public are extremists.
Interesting - my own serious feeling is that the public in large numbers simply do not want to face the reality that the country must endure falling/stagnant living standard for another 20 years along with the rest of Europe. We simply cannot continue to live as we have done on debt which is largely provided by foreign countries which have less good standards of living than ourselves. Twenty years of cold turkey is the right medicine but the piblic don't want to take it.
You might like to take that up with Cameron and Osborne with their "paying down Britain's debts" claims and their magic money tree funded promises.
Oh dear -- smarting that the EU budget deal not dominating the papers are we. You conveniently forget that all of Cameron's speeches about tax cuts are predicated on continuing to reduce the deficit.
Correct. But opponents of the tories conveniently forget many things. We have just seen the unholy alliance of Balls and Farage lying through their teeth on the news
Today’s poll shows Labour and the Tories level on 33%. However, if Johnson were leader, Labour would gain a 2% lead over the Tories. Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper, however, would worsen Labour’s electoral chances. There would be a 2% Tory lead with Cooper as leader, and a 3% Tory lead with Balls.
@LordAshcroft: I agree with @TristramHuntMP: Mail on Sunday story is total nonsense. Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain. Pls RT
Ashcroft: Ed Milliband the right person to lead Britain.
@LordAshcroft: I agree with @TristramHuntMP: Mail on Sunday story is total nonsense. Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain. Pls RT
Today’s poll shows Labour and the Tories level on 33%. However, if Johnson were leader, Labour would gain a 2% lead over the Tories. Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper, however, would worsen Labour’s electoral chances. There would be a 2% Tory lead with Cooper as leader, and a 3% Tory lead with Balls.
The great British electorate are incredibly ignorant about politics - most will not even have heard of Yvette Cooper and although her husband is probably better known, he doesn't have the cuddly charm of The Postie - why even most Tories quite like him.
@LordAshcroft: I agree with @TristramHuntMP: Mail on Sunday story is total nonsense. Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain. Pls RT
The YouGov has the Tories ahead, if you mention Ed and Dave's name
In our YouGov poll today Labour and the Conservatives are level on 33%, unless voters are reminded who the leaders are, when David Cameron’s Tories top Miliband’s Labour 33% to 31%.
Today’s poll shows Labour and the Tories level on 33%. However, if Johnson were leader, Labour would gain a 2% lead over the Tories. Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper, however, would worsen Labour’s electoral chances. There would be a 2% Tory lead with Cooper as leader, and a 3% Tory lead with Balls.
Scarily for Tories, anyone but Cameron and they'd be languishing in the polls so loathed is the Party itself.
Alan Johnson still available at 16-1 with Bet Victor for next Labour leader.
I've marginally overcovered my combined Ed Miliband/Ed Balls next chancellor potential winnings and stake with winnings from Alan Johnson next Labour leader now.
If it isn't going to happen then I anticipate he'll be amongst the runners and riders still whenever Ed does step down, so one should be able to lay off most of the stake on Betfair at that point to even up the position.
Anyway I think its a sensible punt worth taking at this point in time, especially if you have backed Balls/Miliband for next PM/Chancellor.
Alan Johnson still available at 16-1 with Bet Victor for next Labour leader.
I've marginally overcovered my combined Ed Miliband/Ed Balls next chancellor potential winnings and stake with winnings from Alan Johnson next Labour leader now.
If it isn't going to happen then I anticipate he'll be amongst the runners and riders still whenever Ed does step down, so one should be able to lay off most of the stake on Betfair at that point to even up the position.
Anyway I think its a sensible punt worth taking at this point in time, especially if you have backed Balls/Miliband for next PM/Chancellor.
@LordAshcroft: I agree with @TristramHuntMP: Mail on Sunday story is total nonsense. Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain. Pls RT
Ashcroft: Ed Milliband the right person to lead Britain.
Wow.
Did you just hear a whooshing sound above your head?
Once just once A Labour type will post that Ed will be PM because he is the best leader with the best policy and the polls are irrelevant. Won't they ?
Alan Johnson still available at 16-1 with Bet Victor for next Labour leader.
I've marginally overcovered my combined Ed Miliband/Ed Balls next chancellor potential winnings and stake with winnings from Alan Johnson next Labour leader now.
If it isn't going to happen then I anticipate he'll be amongst the runners and riders still whenever Ed does step down, so one should be able to lay off most of the stake on Betfair at that point to even up the position.
Anyway I think its a sensible punt worth taking at this point in time, especially if you have backed Balls/Miliband for next PM/Chancellor.
DYOR at any rate.
On the face of it, that looks like a good bet (apart from the fact that Bet Victor closed me down 4 years ago) ....... but I just have this nagging doubt concerning PtP's recent negative comments about the Postie's prospects - damn him for going to bed!
David Miliband, who lifts Labour to 36% over the Tories’ 30% in our YouGov poll, tweeted last week from the safe distance of New York about fundraising with the singer Sting for his international rescue charity. The popular postie Alan Johnson only lifts Labour to 33% from 31%, and anyway says he prefers to spend more time with his bestselling books.
Alan Johnson still available at 16-1 with Bet Victor for next Labour leader.
I've marginally overcovered my combined Ed Miliband/Ed Balls next chancellor potential winnings and stake with winnings from Alan Johnson next Labour leader now.
If it isn't going to happen then I anticipate he'll be amongst the runners and riders still whenever Ed does step down, so one should be able to lay off most of the stake on Betfair at that point to even up the position.
Anyway I think its a sensible punt worth taking at this point in time, especially if you have backed Balls/Miliband for next PM/Chancellor.
DYOR at any rate.
The problem here is that he obviously doesn't want the job.
Once just once A Labour type will post that Ed will be PM because he is the best leader with the best policy and the polls are irrelevant. Won't they ?
Probably not many Labour but loads of their kipper buddies will. How they yearn for Ed (look, he's not THAT crap) as PM and no tiresome referendum.
Well it looks like Labour should have picked Alan Johnson, but if Ed Miliband does not manage to sneak into No 10 through the back door they have a new Messiah in Chukka Umuna
Alan Johnson still available at 16-1 with Bet Victor for next Labour leader.
I've marginally overcovered my combined Ed Miliband/Ed Balls next chancellor potential winnings and stake with winnings from Alan Johnson next Labour leader now.
If it isn't going to happen then I anticipate he'll be amongst the runners and riders still whenever Ed does step down, so one should be able to lay off most of the stake on Betfair at that point to even up the position.
Anyway I think its a sensible punt worth taking at this point in time, especially if you have backed Balls/Miliband for next PM/Chancellor.
DYOR at any rate.
PTP indicates skeletons in the AJ closet.
If its going to happen, it'll happen fast, and it scuppers alot of value Labour bets I have right now - so I've tapped up a bit of insurance on the postie. Thats the way I'm looking at it.
They'll probably go for Yvette and I'll be out of cash - but hey ho ^_~
Once just once A Labour type will post that Ed will be PM because he is the best leader with the best policy and the polls are irrelevant. Won't they ?
We've seen 2 out of 3 of those in individual posts at the same time. Close enough?
The Tory Press is absolutely crapping itself. What an ugly spectacle.
Eh, the press in general crapping itself is ugly and pathetic, the Tory Press is no more or less a spectacle than any other kind of press. Given it seems to be shifting from tearing their own side apart toward focusing on the GE contest and returning to form, best to let them have their moment. It's not as though they are not feeding off Labour press.
Alan Johnson still available at 16-1 with Bet Victor for next Labour leader.
I've marginally overcovered my combined Ed Miliband/Ed Balls next chancellor potential winnings and stake with winnings from Alan Johnson next Labour leader now.
If it isn't going to happen then I anticipate he'll be amongst the runners and riders still whenever Ed does step down, so one should be able to lay off most of the stake on Betfair at that point to even up the position.
Anyway I think its a sensible punt worth taking at this point in time, especially if you have backed Balls/Miliband for next PM/Chancellor.
DYOR at any rate.
PTP indicates skeletons in the AJ closet.
I don't know about "skeletons", but snap (sort of).
I'd be interested in the crossbreaks of the Johnson question. I guess any gains Labour would make from 2010 Labour don't knows and UKIP would be cancelled out by Lib Dem switchers leaving
But the crucial thing is net result zero. Ed Miliband is not Labour's problem, it's that it's not left wing and WWC enough to prevent losing votes.
Labours problem is that socialism had been tried to destruction and found to be mince.
The public have had enough.
The problem is the public want it back, both the Labour party base and the Tory party base crave for a return to the policies of the 80's, they demand Socialism and Thatcherism.
As proven also by a NYT article that I posted, the moderate centrists are a minority, the majority of the public are extremists.
Interesting - my own serious feeling is that the public in large numbers simply do not want to face the reality that the country must endure falling/stagnant living standard for another 20 years along with the rest of Europe. We simply cannot continue to live as we have done on debt which is largely provided by foreign countries which have less good standards of living than ourselves. Twenty years of cold turkey is the right medicine but the piblic don't want to take it.
You might like to take that up with Cameron and Osborne with their "paying down Britain's debts" claims and their magic money tree funded promises.
Oh dear -- smarting that the EU budget deal not dominating the papers are we. You conveniently forget that all of Cameron's speeches about tax cuts are predicated on continuing to reduce the deficit.
Correct. But opponents of the tories conveniently forget many things. We have just seen the unholy alliance of Balls and Farage lying through their teeth on the news
Once just once A Labour type will post that Ed will be PM because he is the best leader with the best policy and the polls are irrelevant. Won't they ?
Ed is Crap will be PM because he is the leader of the Lab party that has best/fairest policies for the difficult years ahead.
The polls are onlyrelevant because every poll since i became a PB regular in June even those with small Tory leads show EICIPM.
Once just once A Labour type will post that Ed will be PM because he is the best leader with the best policy and the polls are irrelevant. Won't they ?
Probably not many Labour but loads of their kipper buddies will. How they yearn for Ed (look, he's not THAT crap) as PM and no tiresome referendum.
I have noticed over at the Times comment section that Ed's biggest defenders are Kippers.
@BBCPolitics: Ed Miliband is set to warn that threats to leave the EU are a "clear and present danger" to the UK's future... http://t.co/n0ybGDTckU
Coming of the fence on the EU and being positively pro EU at a time like this: After all that sort of thing has worked out really well for Nick Clegg and the Libdems this year.
No wonder his MPs are dispairing.
In fact its the tories who have the righjt policy. They recognise that we need to renegotiate our relationship with the EU which is turning into a Euro-Union. After that it is in the lap of the gods eg the voters. Seems fair. To be honest I am sanguine. Leaving the EU and joining the EEA would probably be best for the UK but it would not make much effective difference to us or our relationship. Ed is crazy because the best policy for Labour would be to recognise this and campaign on being best to look after UK interests in a changing evolving EU. Certainly voting UKIP looks even more stupid based on this.
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Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 26m 26 minutes ago
Even though views of EdM are negative most recent polls have LAB leads some up of up to 4%. On the face of it CON should be most worried.
And with that goodnight.
A couple of weeks ago, you cryptically referred to there being "reasons" for the Postie not entering any Labour leadership race - care to elaborate, cryptically of course?
I meant PB anecdotes from Rochester.
I can sleep on that, and I think I will.
Nite all.
Labour under attack from the media. Tories under attack from maths. Farage must be wetting himself
I absolutely took no pleasure in doing a thread header which quoted a Tory MP saying
Tory MP to BuzzFeed on Mark Reckless defecting: "I can't say the word c**t but he's a f**king c**t who deserves a hot poker up his arse."
No pleasure at all.
Honest
Tristram Hunt @TristramHuntMP 26s27 seconds ago
@joeyjonessky This is nonsense. As I said on Friday, Ed is right man to lead Labour & country. He has set the terms of UK political debate.
@joeyjonessky This is nonsense. As I said on Friday, Ed is right man to lead Labour & country. He has set the terms of UK political debate.
Thumbscrews applied
Cooper comes off worse - Johnson & Umuna best "
I wonder how many thought they were being asked about Obama as Labour leader ?
I wonder how many thought Boris Johnson?
This may cost them severely over the coming weeks.
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/MoS-Labour-Leadership-poll-pt1.pdf
and here
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/MoS-Labour-Leadership-poll-pt2.pdf
Papers - Leaders are crap and should go (as it is exciting and helps sell papers...we hope)
I am shocked shocked I tell you at your cynical attitude to our wonderful national press.
likewise his wife.
"Ed Miliband's leadership was plunged into fresh crisis after reports that 20 shadow ministers are poised to call on him to quit.
Senior figures are ready to strike if former home secretary Alan Johnson signals he is prepared to step into the breach, according to The Observer.
The number of Labour MPs prepared to act has "reached a critical mass" but they want a coronation rather than a difficult leadership contest.
A senior figure told The Observer: "There are 20 frontbenchers who are actively considering what is best to do. They are from all areas of the party, bar the hard left."
I just don't see it myself - but if it's going to happen, it'll surely happen soon.
Yes, we *really* did have 1020 people watch videos of Labour MPs -What difference would changing their leader make? http://eepurl.com/7WlwD
If there were an EU referendum tomorrow how would you vote
Out 54.2%
In 30.7%
And on Monday Miliband is going to declare his commitment to the EU. Good timing Mr. Ed!
PS All regions now voting to leave!
MoS story is total nonsense. As I made clear in a full media round on Friday, Ed Miliband is the right person to lead Labour and Britain. - @tristramhunt
What part of the story is total nonsense do you think doesnt contradict the story FFS
Lord Ashcroft has chimed in
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/531221718162223104
PtP is a party pooper, that's what I say!
Today’s poll shows Labour and the Tories level on 33%. However, if Johnson were leader, Labour would gain a 2% lead over the Tories. Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper, however, would worsen Labour’s electoral chances. There would be a 2% Tory lead with Cooper as leader, and a 3% Tory lead with Balls.
In other news I witnessed the best FA Cup tie of first round as my team Dartford scrambled through by the odd goal in seven at local rivals Bromley. A classic cup tie in all respects. Stil buzzing 6 hours later!
Tory PBers doing a good job of diverting attention from all tonights VI polls which are terrible for the Tories.
It will not save them though.
Right.
Wow.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x47d8b06151b7a99b:0xf9ddde6549ac2112!2m5!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i100!3m1!7e1!4shttps://plus.google.com/116426362538708475657/photos?hl=en&socfid=web:lu:kp:placepageimage&socpid=1!5scanute+group+-+Google+Search&sa=X&ei=v6ReVKr0BOiV7AaB54CABg&ved=0CHQQoiowDQ
The YouGov has the Tories ahead, if you mention Ed and Dave's name
In our YouGov poll today Labour and the Conservatives are level on 33%, unless voters are reminded who the leaders are, when David Cameron’s Tories top Miliband’s Labour 33% to 31%.
Alan Johnson still available at 16-1 with Bet Victor for next Labour leader.
I've marginally overcovered my combined Ed Miliband/Ed Balls next chancellor potential winnings and stake with winnings from Alan Johnson next Labour leader now.
If it isn't going to happen then I anticipate he'll be amongst the runners and riders still whenever Ed does step down, so one should be able to lay off most of the stake on Betfair at that point to even up the position.
Anyway I think its a sensible punt worth taking at this point in time, especially if you have backed Balls/Miliband for next PM/Chancellor.
DYOR at any rate.
It's almost 11:30 pm, the presses must be rolling by now.
This story isn't going anyway, and all 3 main parties are going to get covered in c##p when it finally all comes out.
CON ahead in ICM wisdom/S Tel index where sample what would the vote share be NOT how they would vote.
CON 31% LAB 30% LD 13% UKIP 16%
Put that man on a plane around 5-6pm on Monday
1000/1 ain't value if the horse ain't running.
They'll probably go for Yvette and I'll be out of cash - but hey ho ^_~
Ed is teetering on the edge, with no one behind who can push
The polls are onlyrelevant because every poll since i became a PB regular in June even those with small Tory leads show EICIPM.
Thats as far as I could go TBF
They recognise that we need to renegotiate our relationship with the EU which is turning into a Euro-Union.
After that it is in the lap of the gods eg the voters. Seems fair.
To be honest I am sanguine. Leaving the EU and joining the EEA would probably be best for the UK but it would not make much effective difference to us or our relationship.
Ed is crazy because the best policy for Labour would be to recognise this and campaign on being best to look after UK interests in a changing evolving EU. Certainly voting UKIP looks even more stupid based on this.
Have been out.
Can someone sum up tonight's events in no more than 140 characters?
Is shagging around really the worst crime in the world and is it such a massive skeleton ?!