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  • It is far too late to defenestrate Ed.

    A ninety day leadership contest for labour would be a dream for Lynton Crosby - even if there was only one candidate.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    If there was a mechanism to remove Ed, that process would be in motion now, I have no doubt.

    However, there isn't. It is down to Ed realising he will cost Labour many, many seats and quite possibly the replacement of a Tory-led Coalition.

    I have said before, I think he will mull this over - and for the good of the party that has been his life, he will stand down, by a week on Monday. Marquee Mark my words....

    Why a week on Monday? That would be three days shy of the Tory rout at Rochester!
    Because he want's a story to bury bad news.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Oh poor Ed

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 32s32 seconds ago

    Sunday Times front page:

    "Labour voters say Miliband unfit to be PM"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B18x1n2CAAA_5mD.jpg:large

    Wonder what David makes of it all.
  • Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 37s38 seconds ago

    National Opinion Poll (YouGov):

    CON - 33% (+1)
    LAB - 33% (-)

    Scenario with Alan Johnson as Labour leader:
    LAB - 33% (-)
    CON - 31% (-1)
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @stodge

    'The only cards the Tories have to play are'

    And which cards do the Lib Dems have to play?.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,789
    edited November 2014
    TGOHF said:

    stodge said:

    The only cards the Tories have to play are.

    The autumn statement and the budget are two huge cards..
    It will be interesting to compare Osborne's budget borrowing predictions with those from his first budget.

    How many hundreds of billions of pounds will he have failed by do you think ?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Scott_P said:

    @christopherhope: BREAK ICM asked if an election tomorrow, what would the vote share be? Result: Conservative 31% Labour 30% Lib Dems 13% UKIP 16% Others 9%

    EICIPM on those figures sorry to disappoint.
  • AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @christopherhope: BREAK Three point swing from Labour to Conservatives in just four weeks in ICM/@Telegraph poll tonight; Tories ahead for 1st time since May.

    Previous ICM was I think Lab 35, Con 31, UKIP 14, LD 11.

    So 3 point swing would put the Tories 2 points ahead.
    That's interesting. IMHO if the Tories want to win next year they must stop being complacent. Ed being indescribably crap is not enough.

    Cameron needs to all be about statesmanship, leadership and long-term vision for the country. He should set out credible strategies within that for addressing people's concerns on Europe and immigration and cease these short-term knee-jerk gimmicks.

    He should also charm the socks off his own backbench MPs and show he's listening by broadening his inner circle.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 1m1 minute ago
    National Opinion Poll (YouGov):
    CON - 33% (+1)
    LAB - 33% (-)

    Scenario with Alan Johnson as Labour leader:
    LAB - 33% (-)
    CON - 31% (-1)
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    If there was a mechanism to remove Ed, that process would be in motion now, I have no doubt.

    However, there isn't. It is down to Ed realising he will cost Labour many, many seats and quite possibly the replacement of a Tory-led Coalition.

    I have said before, I think he will mull this over - and for the good of the party that has been his life, he will stand down, by a week on Monday. Marquee Mark my words....

    I doubt it - as well as being thick as the proverbial he is extraordinarily arrogant. He is planning a big pro-EU speech to rally the party and the country behind him - says it all.
  • Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 37s38 seconds ago

    National Opinion Poll (YouGov):

    CON - 33% (+1)
    LAB - 33% (-)

    Scenario with Alan Johnson as Labour leader:
    LAB - 33% (-)
    CON - 31% (-1)

    Hardly earth shattering.....
  • If there was a mechanism to remove Ed, that process would be in motion now, I have no doubt.

    However, there isn't. It is down to Ed realising he will cost Labour many, many seats and quite possibly the replacement of a Tory-led Coalition.

    I have said before, I think he will mull this over - and for the good of the party that has been his life, he will stand down, by a week on Monday. Marquee Mark my words....

    Why a week on Monday? That would be three days shy of the Tory rout at Rochester!

    If there was a mechanism to remove Ed, that process would be in motion now, I have no doubt.

    However, there isn't. It is down to Ed realising he will cost Labour many, many seats and quite possibly the replacement of a Tory-led Coalition.

    I have said before, I think he will mull this over - and for the good of the party that has been his life, he will stand down, by a week on Monday. Marquee Mark my words....

    Why a week on Monday? That would be three days shy of the Tory rout at Rochester!
    Because Labour cannot withstand more than two weekends of this....

    Nonsense! They've already withstood four whole years of Ed!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    TGOHF said:

    ST : Darling attacks mansion tax...

    One policy that is popular among Labour voters.
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376

    kle4 said:

    Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.

    The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.

    Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.

    Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.

    And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    TGOHF said:

    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @christopherhope: BREAK Three point swing from Labour to Conservatives in just four weeks in ICM/@Telegraph poll tonight; Tories ahead for 1st time since May.

    Oh dear not the headlines the kipper loons were wanting - EU deal doesen't get a mention.
    Kippers were predicting GO would resign by Tuesday,,,
    Mr Osborne doesn't seem the type to resign. If he was, he'd have gone long since.

  • Now lets assume EdM is forced out.

    What happens if he spits his dummy out and causes an immediate byelection.

    Real potential problem there for Labour.
  • kle4 said:

    Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.

    The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.

    Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.

    LOL, you must go to a very interesting pub, discussing Ed's leadership.
    The Ed Lion by any chance?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    45% of 2010 Labour voters say Miliband should resign.
  • kle4 said:

    Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.

    The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.

    Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.

    Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.

    And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
    It won't be forgotten by the people who do the voting. If there is not much fuss its because we, the electorate, know they are a bunch of cave-in-weak-shysters so this is hardly a surprise. Its much what everyone expected them to do from the moment Cameron first bounced up and down in fake outrage about it.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Unhelpful Sunday Telegraph headline for Cameron - about EU Red Tape.
  • Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 37s38 seconds ago

    National Opinion Poll (YouGov):

    CON - 33% (+1)
    LAB - 33% (-)

    Scenario with Alan Johnson as Labour leader:
    LAB - 33% (-)
    CON - 31% (-1)

    Hardly earth shattering.....
    Hardly surprising, Paul.


  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited November 2014

    kle4 said:

    Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.

    The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.

    Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.

    Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.

    And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
    You were eating the remaining 0.5 Tory????
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    kle4 said:

    Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.

    The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.

    Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.

    Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.

    And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
    A dinner party involving 1.5 people?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    It is far too late to defenestrate Ed.

    A ninety day leadership contest for labour would be a dream for Lynton Crosby - even if there was only one candidate.

    Agreed - EdM will stay. The GE next May could well be a political earthquake.
  • kle4 said:

    Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.

    The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.

    Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.

    LOL, you must go to a very interesting pub, discussing Ed's leadership.
    The Ed Lion by any chance?
    No "The Labour in Vain".

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    What is quite amusing is the fact that Ed is so crap that the Tory Party still struggle to get an opinion poll lead and in most polls are still behind the party of the crap one.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Floater said:

    Oh poor Ed

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 32s32 seconds ago

    Sunday Times front page:

    "Labour voters say Miliband unfit to be PM"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B18x1n2CAAA_5mD.jpg:large

    Wonder what David makes of it all.
    In particular is he now wishing he hadn't resigned his seat???
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    I'd be interested in the crossbreaks of the Johnson question. I guess any gains Labour would make from 2010 Labour don't knows and UKIP would be cancelled out by Lib Dem switchers leaving
  • MikeL said:

    Floater said:

    Oh poor Ed

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 32s32 seconds ago

    Sunday Times front page:

    "Labour voters say Miliband unfit to be PM"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B18x1n2CAAA_5mD.jpg:large

    Wonder what David makes of it all.
    In particular is he now wishing he hadn't resigned his seat???
    Nah! He has a well-paid position at International Rescue to fall back on :)
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    dr_spyn said:

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 1m1 minute ago
    National Opinion Poll (YouGov):
    CON - 33% (+1)
    LAB - 33% (-)

    Scenario with Alan Johnson as Labour leader:
    LAB - 33% (-)
    CON - 31% (-1)

    What, Labour's problems have nothing to do with it's leader?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB


    That YouGov only find LAB doing 2% better with Alan Johnson as leader looks quite good for EdM

    Agreed - Miliband is certainly a problem but the lack of credible policies is a much bigger one despite NP's silly tweets.
  • Scott_P said:

    @christopherhope: BREAK ICM asked if an election tomorrow, what would the vote share be? Result: Conservative 31% Labour 30% Lib Dems 13% UKIP 16% Others 9%

    EICIPM on those figures sorry to disappoint.
    No disappointment. You talk nonsense when it comes to election predictions so I, along with most punters on here, just ignore your forecasts.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    What if Ed resigned his seat, and David won the by-election?
  • Postman Pat wouldn't do any better a job for Labour than Ed. He seems to be a genuinely nice bloke, but he was bloody useless as shadow chancellor, he didn't understand a thing.

    So imagine having to take in all the financial stuff on top of every other policy area, and of course the Tories will point out how useless he is with the numbers as they at the same time claim Osborne is the steady hand on the tiller of the economy.
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    edited November 2014
    felix said:

    It is far too late to defenestrate Ed.

    A ninety day leadership contest for labour would be a dream for Lynton Crosby - even if there was only one candidate.

    Agreed - EdM will stay. The GE next May could well be a political earthquake.
    Indeed, especially if discipline continues to break down in Labour and they are infighting like ferrets in a sack in the run up to the election.

    UKIP need to be very careful who they select or we will have a repeat of 1945 where all sorts of wonderful characters got elected for Labour in 1945 having only stood as the seat was thought to be unwinnable.......
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291

    MikeL said:

    Floater said:

    Oh poor Ed

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 32s32 seconds ago

    Sunday Times front page:

    "Labour voters say Miliband unfit to be PM"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B18x1n2CAAA_5mD.jpg:large

    Wonder what David makes of it all.
    In particular is he now wishing he hadn't resigned his seat???
    Nah! He has a well-paid position at International Rescue to fall back on :)
    But anything could happen in the next half-hour.
  • Most of the ICM Wisdom Index was done before Ed is crap became a crescendo

    ICM Research interviewed an online sample of 2,050 people aged 18+ on 5-6th November 2014.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    kle4 said:

    Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.

    The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.

    Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.

    Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.

    And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
    You go to dinner parties from which you are home by 9.25?

  • Have to say that the Observer "20 shadow ministers" line is a bit of a giveaway.

    There has been a concerted and coordinated effort by the press to kill Millibamd. It was 2 ministers a few days ago, the story died down. Now its 20 ministers. Perhaps by Tuesday they'll be reporting 200 labour MPs calling for Ed to go....
  • Oh poor Ed

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 32s32 seconds ago

    Sunday Times front page:

    "Labour voters say Miliband unfit to be PM"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B18x1n2CAAA_5mD.jpg:large

    Darling attacks mansion tax...after last weeks bash to the head about increasing borrowing, seems he has recovered to urge some sensible words on this stupid policy.
  • JohnO said:

    MikeL said:

    Floater said:

    Oh poor Ed

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 32s32 seconds ago

    Sunday Times front page:

    "Labour voters say Miliband unfit to be PM"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B18x1n2CAAA_5mD.jpg:large

    Wonder what David makes of it all.
    In particular is he now wishing he hadn't resigned his seat???
    Nah! He has a well-paid position at International Rescue to fall back on :)
    But anything could happen in the next half-hour.
    Here is your coat.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Artist said:

    I'd be interested in the crossbreaks of the Johnson question. I guess any gains Labour would make from 2010 Labour don't knows and UKIP would be cancelled out by Lib Dem switchers leaving

    But the crucial thing is net result zero.
    Ed Miliband is not Labour's problem, it's that it's not left wing and WWC enough to prevent losing votes.
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2014

    felix said:

    It is far too late to defenestrate Ed.

    A ninety day leadership contest for labour would be a dream for Lynton Crosby - even if there was only one candidate.

    Agreed - EdM will stay. The GE next May could well be a political earthquake.
    Indeed, especially if discipline continues to break down in Labour and they are infighting like ferrets in a sack in the run up to the election.

    UKIP need to be very careful who they select or we will have a repeat of 1945 where all sorts of wonderful characters got elected for Labour in 1945 having only stood as the seat was thought to be unwinnable.......
    I've screen printed this for May 8th posterity.
    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.

    The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.

    Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.

    Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.

    And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
    A dinner party involving 1.5 people?
    Yep that's right.

    The other 4.5 were kippers.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    What is quite amusing is the fact that Ed is so crap that the Tory Party still struggle to get an opinion poll lead and in most polls are still behind the party of the crap one.

    "amusing" - nobody believes you're laughing about the position your party is in 6 months or so from a GE.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Speedy said:

    Artist said:

    I'd be interested in the crossbreaks of the Johnson question. I guess any gains Labour would make from 2010 Labour don't knows and UKIP would be cancelled out by Lib Dem switchers leaving

    But the crucial thing is net result zero.
    Ed Miliband is not Labour's problem, it's that it's not left wing and WWC enough to prevent losing votes.
    Labours problem is that socialism had been tried to destruction and found to be mince.

    The public have had enough.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    The drop in Labour 2010 voters thinking Ed is up to the job of leading the party is astonishing. 51% in October to 34% in November. What will that be by February? or by May?
  • JohnO said:

    MikeL said:

    Floater said:

    Oh poor Ed

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 32s32 seconds ago

    Sunday Times front page:

    "Labour voters say Miliband unfit to be PM"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B18x1n2CAAA_5mD.jpg:large

    Wonder what David makes of it all.
    In particular is he now wishing he hadn't resigned his seat???
    Nah! He has a well-paid position at International Rescue to fall back on :)
    But anything could happen in the next half-hour.
    That was Stingray, John! Not Thunderbirds!!!
  • Ishmael_X said:

    kle4 said:

    Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.

    The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.

    Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.

    Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.

    And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
    You go to dinner parties from which you are home by 9.25?

    I was wondering about that. Presumably the dinner party consists of several youngsters eating bags of crisps and kitkats in front of their computers at CCHQ.
  • Giles Dilnot ‏@reporterboy 31s31 seconds ago

    Tomorrow a Labour MP tells me on camera that for GE2015 "the answer isn't more Ed for the next six months"
  • I have been moved to stick some serious money on Alan Johnson as PM. Possibly it can't happen but at 26/1 its looking like a value bet.
  • kle4 said:

    Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.

    The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.

    Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.

    Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.

    And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
    Are you counting the waiter as 0.5 of a human being ?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    Most of the ICM Wisdom Index was done before Ed is crap became a crescendo

    ICM Research interviewed an online sample of 2,050 people aged 18+ on 5-6th November 2014.

    Lol.
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    But if I 'really' have to spell it out for Speedy … 1 Tory (me), 1 on the fence but mostly Tory, 1 kipper, 3 don't knows but pro-Cameron and very anti EdM.

    Amazingly scientific survey. I could vie with Ashcroft.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    TGOHF said:

    Speedy said:

    Artist said:

    I'd be interested in the crossbreaks of the Johnson question. I guess any gains Labour would make from 2010 Labour don't knows and UKIP would be cancelled out by Lib Dem switchers leaving

    But the crucial thing is net result zero.
    Ed Miliband is not Labour's problem, it's that it's not left wing and WWC enough to prevent losing votes.
    Labours problem is that socialism had been tried to destruction and found to be mince.

    The public have had enough.
    The problem is the public want it back, both the Labour party base and the Tory party base crave for a return to the policies of the 80's, they demand Socialism and Thatcherism.

    As proven also by a NYT article that I posted, the moderate centrists are a minority, the majority of the public are extremists.
  • I'm really feeling sorry for Ed.

    Poor chap, he's a nice guy, trying to difficult job.

    #WeBackEd
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    edited November 2014
    JohnO said:

    MikeL said:

    Floater said:

    Oh poor Ed

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 32s32 seconds ago

    Sunday Times front page:

    "Labour voters say Miliband unfit to be PM"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B18x1n2CAAA_5mD.jpg:large

    Wonder what David makes of it all.
    In particular is he now wishing he hadn't resigned his seat???
    Nah! He has a well-paid position at International Rescue to fall back on :)
    But anything could happen in the next half-hour.
    That was Stingray...

    EDIT - I see Sunil was on the case more speedily. He has Thunderbird 1 to my Thunderbird 2. I had to wait for the Pod to load....

  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376

    kle4 said:

    Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.

    The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.

    Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.

    Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.

    And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
    the waiter
    I wish
  • Giles Dilnot ‏@reporterboy 31s31 seconds ago

    Tomorrow a Labour MP tells me on camera that for GE2015 "the answer isn't more Ed for the next six months"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Speedy said:

    it's that it's not left wing and WWC enough

    What on earth makes you think that the WWC is left wing?
  • I take back all those nasty things I said about Tristam Hunt

    "Ed Shadow Minister plunges in the dagger"

    Plus a poll

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B183kyaCYAACMY2.jpg
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Am I missing something,tories staying put or falling back and we have only Ed under pressure.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    But if I 'really' have to spell it out for Speedy … 1 Tory (me), 1 on the fence but mostly Tory, 1 kipper, 3 don't knows but pro-Cameron and very anti EdM.

    Amazingly scientific survey. I could vie with Ashcroft.

    A total of 4 Tories and a Kipper out of a total of 5, I didn't expect otherwise.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Mail Tristram is a four letter fellow plunging in a dagger.
  • Speedy said:

    TGOHF said:

    Speedy said:

    Artist said:

    I'd be interested in the crossbreaks of the Johnson question. I guess any gains Labour would make from 2010 Labour don't knows and UKIP would be cancelled out by Lib Dem switchers leaving

    But the crucial thing is net result zero.
    Ed Miliband is not Labour's problem, it's that it's not left wing and WWC enough to prevent losing votes.
    Labours problem is that socialism had been tried to destruction and found to be mince.

    The public have had enough.
    The problem is the public want it back, both the Labour party base and the Tory party base crave for a return to the policies of the 80's, they demand Socialism and Thatcherism.

    As proven also by a NYT article that I posted, the moderate centrists are a minority, the majority of the public are extremists.
    Yes the centrists have only succeeded by the rest being divided into left and right and then centrists infiltrating both left and right as well as having their own centrist party.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Have to say that the Observer "20 shadow ministers" line is a bit of a giveaway.

    There has been a concerted and coordinated effort by the press to kill Millibamd. It was 2 ministers a few days ago, the story died down. Now its 20 ministers. Perhaps by Tuesday they'll be reporting 200 labour MPs calling for Ed to go....

    Why would the Sunday Guardian want to kill Ed off?
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376

    Ishmael_X said:

    kle4 said:

    Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.

    The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.

    Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.

    Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.

    And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
    You go to dinner parties from which you are home by 9.25?

    I was wondering about that. Presumably the dinner party consists of several youngsters eating bags of crisps and kitkats in front of their computers at CCHQ.
    No, but funnily enough some of those present did have a second event to get to. I was host and just sat down. Long story, not for pb.
  • Mike asked me be on the look out tonight for any polls/interesting stories/front pages.

    He picked a hell of a night to ask me.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @joeyjonessky: according to Mail on Sunday it's "et tu, Tristram" for @Ed_Miliband
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    dr_spyn said:

    Mail Tristram is a four letter fellow plunging in a dagger.

    Those toffs sure have it in for Ed...
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 3m3 minutes ago
    Is Ed Miliband up to the job of leading Labour (YouGov) LAB voters only:
    Yes - 34% (-17)
    No - 42% (+14)

    Percentage changes from October.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893

    Giles Dilnot ‏@reporterboy 31s31 seconds ago

    Tomorrow a Labour MP tells me on camera that for GE2015 "the answer isn't more Ed for the next six months"

    Ian Austin 4/6
    Simon Danczuk 2/1
    Kate Hoey 3/1
    Frank Field 3/1
    Alan Campbell 5/1
  • Ishmael_X said:

    kle4 said:

    Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.

    The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.

    Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.

    Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.

    And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
    You go to dinner parties from which you are home by 9.25?

    Maybe it was a childrens birthday party and that's why she's counting people by halves.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Those adjusted figures are disappointing for Team Johnson. The ringleaders may need to reconsider.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @RobbieGibb: Danczuk "The answer isn't more Ed in the next 6 months, let's be honest about this because that approach has already been tried & tested"
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    Speedy said:

    But if I 'really' have to spell it out for Speedy … 1 Tory (me), 1 on the fence but mostly Tory, 1 kipper, 3 don't knows but pro-Cameron and very anti EdM.

    Amazingly scientific survey. I could vie with Ashcroft.

    A total of 4 Tories and a Kipper out of a total of 5, I didn't expect otherwise.
    Pay attention. That's not what I said. I said three were pro Cameron. They actually said they may not vote at all, and none of the three said they would vote Conservative.

    What they did say, which I found interesting, is that they thought Cameron has gravitas.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Just in case people were misled by the headlines.

    I can exclusively reveal that all 3 polls ie both real polls and the WI poll

    Would result in............ EICIPM as would every poll since i have been posting ie June 2014.

    The October erosion of the LAB lead has reversed in the early NOV polls so far so to quote Dave

    calm down dears!!
  • dr_spyn said:

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 3m3 minutes ago
    Is Ed Miliband up to the job of leading Labour (YouGov) LAB voters only:
    Yes - 34% (-17)
    No - 42% (+14)

    Percentage changes from October.

    That's not survivable.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291

    JohnO said:

    MikeL said:

    Floater said:

    Oh poor Ed

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 32s32 seconds ago

    Sunday Times front page:

    "Labour voters say Miliband unfit to be PM"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B18x1n2CAAA_5mD.jpg:large

    Wonder what David makes of it all.
    In particular is he now wishing he hadn't resigned his seat???
    Nah! He has a well-paid position at International Rescue to fall back on :)
    But anything could happen in the next half-hour.
    That was Stingray...

    EDIT - I see Sunil was on the case more speedily. He has Thunderbird 1 to my Thunderbird 2. I had to wait for the Pod to load....

    OK, OK, but Lady Penelope is an Elmbridge resident.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    But if I 'really' have to spell it out for Speedy … 1 Tory (me), 1 on the fence but mostly Tory, 1 kipper, 3 don't knows but pro-Cameron and very anti EdM.

    Amazingly scientific survey. I could vie with Ashcroft.

    A total of 4 Tories and a Kipper out of a total of 5, I didn't expect otherwise.
    Pay attention. That's not what I said. I said three were pro Cameron. They actually said they may not vote at all, and none of the three said they would vote Conservative.

    What they did say, which I found interesting, is that they thought Cameron has gravitas.
    Pro-Cameron and not being a Tory? What are they, the last remains of the liberals?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    chestnut said:

    45% of 2010 Labour voters say Miliband should resign.

    Ed can you feel the love???

    Will your intellectual self confidence see you through?
  • Sunday Mail is nuclear for Ed. Hunt plunges the knife.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Scott_P said:

    @RobbieGibb: Danczuk "The answer isn't more Ed in the next 6 months, let's be honest about this because that approach has already been tried & tested"

    Straight to the bin.
  • Just in case people were misled by the headlines.

    I can exclusively reveal that all 3 polls ie both real polls and the WI poll

    Would result in............ EICIPM as would every poll since i have been posting ie June 2014.

    The October erosion of the LAB lead has reversed in the early NOV polls so far so to quote Dave

    calm down dears!!


    Its all down hill from here I'm afraid.

    EMWNBPM

  • Giles Dilnot ‏@reporterboy 31s31 seconds ago

    Tomorrow a Labour MP tells me on camera that for GE2015 "the answer isn't more Ed for the next six months"

    It's fucking Dansczuk. We already know that. Instead of growing a pair and defecting to UKIP he's decided to try and bring Labour down instead. Then defect. A nice man.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    All hail Jack W

    Ed Miliband Will Never be Prime minister
  • As I posted earlier, the #saveed brigade must be in meltdown tonight.
  • Blinking murdoch and mail going for Ed but using their sock puppets the Observer and Independent to do so.... does their deceit and cunning know no limits!!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    edited November 2014

    I take back all those nasty things I said about Tristam Hunt

    "Ed Shadow Minister plunges in the dagger"

    Plus a poll

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B183kyaCYAACMY2.jpg

    I said before that I suspect Hunt is one of those people with a 5,000 majority in his Stoke on Trent Central seat panicking about UKIP. ....

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @mediaguardian: Ed Miliband at bay: the hack pack scents the blood of vulnerable prey http://t.co/U9BjyuA4bB
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Ed is making a speech to the CBI on Monday I believe. Its the last final and only chance to secure himself for the run up to the GE. If he has an "Ed moment" or forgets the economy then to all intents and purposes he will be a gonna. Dead finished ....over and out.

    COME ON ED!!!!! You can do it ...you can ....have faith man!

    DUEMA # SaveEd # WebackEd


  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited November 2014

    As I posted earlier, the #saveed brigade must be in meltdown tonight.

    Most are too busy tweeting about how evil the Daily Mail and News International are to notice. That is what I got from searching for #saveed, that they caused every issue ever in this country, well and Thatcher plus Cameron apparently is a posho (never knew that).
  • Giles Dilnot ‏@reporterboy 31s31 seconds ago

    Tomorrow a Labour MP tells me on camera that for GE2015 "the answer isn't more Ed for the next six months"

    It's fucking Dansczuk. We already know that. Instead of growing a pair and defecting to UKIP he's decided to try and bring Labour down instead. Then defect. A nice man.
    Stop slagging off Dansczuk.

    Have you seen his wife and her selfies?

    If I lived in Rochdale (and I thank Allah, I don't) I'd be voting for him.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    @BBCPolitics: Ed Miliband is set to warn that threats to leave the EU are a "clear and present danger" to the UK's future... http://t.co/n0ybGDTckU
  • Am I missing something,tories staying put or falling back and we have only Ed under pressure.

    When something like this happens it is all about confidence and mood, and that is only tenuously related to facts.
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    Not sure I've seen anything quite like this since the insurrection against Major and, before that, the knifing of Maggie.

    It's pretty bloody brutal.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    Speedy said:

    TGOHF said:

    Speedy said:

    Artist said:

    I'd be interested in the crossbreaks of the Johnson question. I guess any gains Labour would make from 2010 Labour don't knows and UKIP would be cancelled out by Lib Dem switchers leaving

    But the crucial thing is net result zero.
    Ed Miliband is not Labour's problem, it's that it's not left wing and WWC enough to prevent losing votes.
    Labours problem is that socialism had been tried to destruction and found to be mince.

    The public have had enough.
    The problem is the public want it back, both the Labour party base and the Tory party base crave for a return to the policies of the 80's, they demand Socialism and Thatcherism.

    As proven also by a NYT article that I posted, the moderate centrists are a minority, the majority of the public are extremists.
    Interesting - my own serious feeling is that the public in large numbers simply do not want to face the reality that the country must endure falling/stagnant living standard for another 20 years along with the rest of Europe. We simply cannot continue to live as we have done on debt which is largely provided by foreign countries which have less good standards of living than ourselves. Twenty years of cold turkey is the right medicine but the piblic don't want to take it.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Artist said:

    Giles Dilnot ‏@reporterboy 31s31 seconds ago

    Tomorrow a Labour MP tells me on camera that for GE2015 "the answer isn't more Ed for the next six months"

    Ian Austin 4/6
    Simon Danczuk 2/1
    Kate Hoey 3/1
    Frank Field 3/1
    Alan Campbell 5/1
    Alan Campbell? He's one of the most obscure Labour MPs you could think of.
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