If there was a mechanism to remove Ed, that process would be in motion now, I have no doubt.
However, there isn't. It is down to Ed realising he will cost Labour many, many seats and quite possibly the replacement of a Tory-led Coalition.
I have said before, I think he will mull this over - and for the good of the party that has been his life, he will stand down, by a week on Monday. Marquee Mark my words....
Why a week on Monday? That would be three days shy of the Tory rout at Rochester!
@christopherhope: BREAK ICM asked if an election tomorrow, what would the vote share be? Result: Conservative 31% Labour 30% Lib Dems 13% UKIP 16% Others 9%
@christopherhope: BREAK Three point swing from Labour to Conservatives in just four weeks in ICM/@Telegraph poll tonight; Tories ahead for 1st time since May.
Previous ICM was I think Lab 35, Con 31, UKIP 14, LD 11.
So 3 point swing would put the Tories 2 points ahead.
That's interesting. IMHO if the Tories want to win next year they must stop being complacent. Ed being indescribably crap is not enough.
Cameron needs to all be about statesmanship, leadership and long-term vision for the country. He should set out credible strategies within that for addressing people's concerns on Europe and immigration and cease these short-term knee-jerk gimmicks.
He should also charm the socks off his own backbench MPs and show he's listening by broadening his inner circle.
If there was a mechanism to remove Ed, that process would be in motion now, I have no doubt.
However, there isn't. It is down to Ed realising he will cost Labour many, many seats and quite possibly the replacement of a Tory-led Coalition.
I have said before, I think he will mull this over - and for the good of the party that has been his life, he will stand down, by a week on Monday. Marquee Mark my words....
I doubt it - as well as being thick as the proverbial he is extraordinarily arrogant. He is planning a big pro-EU speech to rally the party and the country behind him - says it all.
If there was a mechanism to remove Ed, that process would be in motion now, I have no doubt.
However, there isn't. It is down to Ed realising he will cost Labour many, many seats and quite possibly the replacement of a Tory-led Coalition.
I have said before, I think he will mull this over - and for the good of the party that has been his life, he will stand down, by a week on Monday. Marquee Mark my words....
Why a week on Monday? That would be three days shy of the Tory rout at Rochester!
If there was a mechanism to remove Ed, that process would be in motion now, I have no doubt.
However, there isn't. It is down to Ed realising he will cost Labour many, many seats and quite possibly the replacement of a Tory-led Coalition.
I have said before, I think he will mull this over - and for the good of the party that has been his life, he will stand down, by a week on Monday. Marquee Mark my words....
Why a week on Monday? That would be three days shy of the Tory rout at Rochester!
Because Labour cannot withstand more than two weekends of this....
Nonsense! They've already withstood four whole years of Ed!
Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.
The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.
Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.
Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.
And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
@christopherhope: BREAK Three point swing from Labour to Conservatives in just four weeks in ICM/@Telegraph poll tonight; Tories ahead for 1st time since May.
Oh dear not the headlines the kipper loons were wanting - EU deal doesen't get a mention.
Kippers were predicting GO would resign by Tuesday,,,
Mr Osborne doesn't seem the type to resign. If he was, he'd have gone long since.
Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.
The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.
Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.
LOL, you must go to a very interesting pub, discussing Ed's leadership.
Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.
The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.
Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.
Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.
And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
It won't be forgotten by the people who do the voting. If there is not much fuss its because we, the electorate, know they are a bunch of cave-in-weak-shysters so this is hardly a surprise. Its much what everyone expected them to do from the moment Cameron first bounced up and down in fake outrage about it.
Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.
The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.
Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.
Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.
And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.
The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.
Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.
Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.
And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.
The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.
Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.
LOL, you must go to a very interesting pub, discussing Ed's leadership.
What is quite amusing is the fact that Ed is so crap that the Tory Party still struggle to get an opinion poll lead and in most polls are still behind the party of the crap one.
I'd be interested in the crossbreaks of the Johnson question. I guess any gains Labour would make from 2010 Labour don't knows and UKIP would be cancelled out by Lib Dem switchers leaving
@christopherhope: BREAK ICM asked if an election tomorrow, what would the vote share be? Result: Conservative 31% Labour 30% Lib Dems 13% UKIP 16% Others 9%
EICIPM on those figures sorry to disappoint.
No disappointment. You talk nonsense when it comes to election predictions so I, along with most punters on here, just ignore your forecasts.
Postman Pat wouldn't do any better a job for Labour than Ed. He seems to be a genuinely nice bloke, but he was bloody useless as shadow chancellor, he didn't understand a thing.
So imagine having to take in all the financial stuff on top of every other policy area, and of course the Tories will point out how useless he is with the numbers as they at the same time claim Osborne is the steady hand on the tiller of the economy.
A ninety day leadership contest for labour would be a dream for Lynton Crosby - even if there was only one candidate.
Agreed - EdM will stay. The GE next May could well be a political earthquake.
Indeed, especially if discipline continues to break down in Labour and they are infighting like ferrets in a sack in the run up to the election.
UKIP need to be very careful who they select or we will have a repeat of 1945 where all sorts of wonderful characters got elected for Labour in 1945 having only stood as the seat was thought to be unwinnable.......
Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.
The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.
Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.
Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.
And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
You go to dinner parties from which you are home by 9.25?
Have to say that the Observer "20 shadow ministers" line is a bit of a giveaway.
There has been a concerted and coordinated effort by the press to kill Millibamd. It was 2 ministers a few days ago, the story died down. Now its 20 ministers. Perhaps by Tuesday they'll be reporting 200 labour MPs calling for Ed to go....
Darling attacks mansion tax...after last weeks bash to the head about increasing borrowing, seems he has recovered to urge some sensible words on this stupid policy.
I'd be interested in the crossbreaks of the Johnson question. I guess any gains Labour would make from 2010 Labour don't knows and UKIP would be cancelled out by Lib Dem switchers leaving
But the crucial thing is net result zero. Ed Miliband is not Labour's problem, it's that it's not left wing and WWC enough to prevent losing votes.
A ninety day leadership contest for labour would be a dream for Lynton Crosby - even if there was only one candidate.
Agreed - EdM will stay. The GE next May could well be a political earthquake.
Indeed, especially if discipline continues to break down in Labour and they are infighting like ferrets in a sack in the run up to the election.
UKIP need to be very careful who they select or we will have a repeat of 1945 where all sorts of wonderful characters got elected for Labour in 1945 having only stood as the seat was thought to be unwinnable.......
Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.
The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.
Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.
Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.
And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
What is quite amusing is the fact that Ed is so crap that the Tory Party still struggle to get an opinion poll lead and in most polls are still behind the party of the crap one.
"amusing" - nobody believes you're laughing about the position your party is in 6 months or so from a GE.
I'd be interested in the crossbreaks of the Johnson question. I guess any gains Labour would make from 2010 Labour don't knows and UKIP would be cancelled out by Lib Dem switchers leaving
But the crucial thing is net result zero. Ed Miliband is not Labour's problem, it's that it's not left wing and WWC enough to prevent losing votes.
Labours problem is that socialism had been tried to destruction and found to be mince.
The drop in Labour 2010 voters thinking Ed is up to the job of leading the party is astonishing. 51% in October to 34% in November. What will that be by February? or by May?
Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.
The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.
Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.
Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.
And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
You go to dinner parties from which you are home by 9.25?
I was wondering about that. Presumably the dinner party consists of several youngsters eating bags of crisps and kitkats in front of their computers at CCHQ.
Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.
The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.
Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.
Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.
And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
Are you counting the waiter as 0.5 of a human being ?
But if I 'really' have to spell it out for Speedy … 1 Tory (me), 1 on the fence but mostly Tory, 1 kipper, 3 don't knows but pro-Cameron and very anti EdM.
Amazingly scientific survey. I could vie with Ashcroft.
I'd be interested in the crossbreaks of the Johnson question. I guess any gains Labour would make from 2010 Labour don't knows and UKIP would be cancelled out by Lib Dem switchers leaving
But the crucial thing is net result zero. Ed Miliband is not Labour's problem, it's that it's not left wing and WWC enough to prevent losing votes.
Labours problem is that socialism had been tried to destruction and found to be mince.
The public have had enough.
The problem is the public want it back, both the Labour party base and the Tory party base crave for a return to the policies of the 80's, they demand Socialism and Thatcherism.
As proven also by a NYT article that I posted, the moderate centrists are a minority, the majority of the public are extremists.
Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.
The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.
Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.
Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.
And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
But if I 'really' have to spell it out for Speedy … 1 Tory (me), 1 on the fence but mostly Tory, 1 kipper, 3 don't knows but pro-Cameron and very anti EdM.
Amazingly scientific survey. I could vie with Ashcroft.
A total of 4 Tories and a Kipper out of a total of 5, I didn't expect otherwise.
I'd be interested in the crossbreaks of the Johnson question. I guess any gains Labour would make from 2010 Labour don't knows and UKIP would be cancelled out by Lib Dem switchers leaving
But the crucial thing is net result zero. Ed Miliband is not Labour's problem, it's that it's not left wing and WWC enough to prevent losing votes.
Labours problem is that socialism had been tried to destruction and found to be mince.
The public have had enough.
The problem is the public want it back, both the Labour party base and the Tory party base crave for a return to the policies of the 80's, they demand Socialism and Thatcherism.
As proven also by a NYT article that I posted, the moderate centrists are a minority, the majority of the public are extremists.
Yes the centrists have only succeeded by the rest being divided into left and right and then centrists infiltrating both left and right as well as having their own centrist party.
Have to say that the Observer "20 shadow ministers" line is a bit of a giveaway.
There has been a concerted and coordinated effort by the press to kill Millibamd. It was 2 ministers a few days ago, the story died down. Now its 20 ministers. Perhaps by Tuesday they'll be reporting 200 labour MPs calling for Ed to go....
Why would the Sunday Guardian want to kill Ed off?
Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.
The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.
Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.
Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.
And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
You go to dinner parties from which you are home by 9.25?
I was wondering about that. Presumably the dinner party consists of several youngsters eating bags of crisps and kitkats in front of their computers at CCHQ.
No, but funnily enough some of those present did have a second event to get to. I was host and just sat down. Long story, not for pb.
Must say I am surprised by these negative Ed M stories having such prominence. Even if the Cameroon's interpretation of events in Europe are wholly correct, the picture the public has been getting is that they have been caught out spinning, and being caught in such behaviour about the despised EU seems even more headline grabbing than that Ed M has problems.
The EU thingy was always going to be taken over by bad polls for Ed.
Pub talk today wasn't about the EU money it was about Ed's leadership.
Dinner party tonight. EU didn't get mentioned once. Ed did. Lots.
And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
You go to dinner parties from which you are home by 9.25?
Maybe it was a childrens birthday party and that's why she's counting people by halves.
But if I 'really' have to spell it out for Speedy … 1 Tory (me), 1 on the fence but mostly Tory, 1 kipper, 3 don't knows but pro-Cameron and very anti EdM.
Amazingly scientific survey. I could vie with Ashcroft.
A total of 4 Tories and a Kipper out of a total of 5, I didn't expect otherwise.
Pay attention. That's not what I said. I said three were pro Cameron. They actually said they may not vote at all, and none of the three said they would vote Conservative.
What they did say, which I found interesting, is that they thought Cameron has gravitas.
But if I 'really' have to spell it out for Speedy … 1 Tory (me), 1 on the fence but mostly Tory, 1 kipper, 3 don't knows but pro-Cameron and very anti EdM.
Amazingly scientific survey. I could vie with Ashcroft.
A total of 4 Tories and a Kipper out of a total of 5, I didn't expect otherwise.
Pay attention. That's not what I said. I said three were pro Cameron. They actually said they may not vote at all, and none of the three said they would vote Conservative.
What they did say, which I found interesting, is that they thought Cameron has gravitas.
Pro-Cameron and not being a Tory? What are they, the last remains of the liberals?
Tomorrow a Labour MP tells me on camera that for GE2015 "the answer isn't more Ed for the next six months"
It's fucking Dansczuk. We already know that. Instead of growing a pair and defecting to UKIP he's decided to try and bring Labour down instead. Then defect. A nice man.
Blinking murdoch and mail going for Ed but using their sock puppets the Observer and Independent to do so.... does their deceit and cunning know no limits!!
Ed is making a speech to the CBI on Monday I believe. Its the last final and only chance to secure himself for the run up to the GE. If he has an "Ed moment" or forgets the economy then to all intents and purposes he will be a gonna. Dead finished ....over and out.
COME ON ED!!!!! You can do it ...you can ....have faith man!
As I posted earlier, the #saveed brigade must be in meltdown tonight.
Most are too busy tweeting about how evil the Daily Mail and News International are to notice. That is what I got from searching for #saveed, that they caused every issue ever in this country, well and Thatcher plus Cameron apparently is a posho (never knew that).
Tomorrow a Labour MP tells me on camera that for GE2015 "the answer isn't more Ed for the next six months"
It's fucking Dansczuk. We already know that. Instead of growing a pair and defecting to UKIP he's decided to try and bring Labour down instead. Then defect. A nice man.
Stop slagging off Dansczuk.
Have you seen his wife and her selfies?
If I lived in Rochdale (and I thank Allah, I don't) I'd be voting for him.
I'd be interested in the crossbreaks of the Johnson question. I guess any gains Labour would make from 2010 Labour don't knows and UKIP would be cancelled out by Lib Dem switchers leaving
But the crucial thing is net result zero. Ed Miliband is not Labour's problem, it's that it's not left wing and WWC enough to prevent losing votes.
Labours problem is that socialism had been tried to destruction and found to be mince.
The public have had enough.
The problem is the public want it back, both the Labour party base and the Tory party base crave for a return to the policies of the 80's, they demand Socialism and Thatcherism.
As proven also by a NYT article that I posted, the moderate centrists are a minority, the majority of the public are extremists.
Interesting - my own serious feeling is that the public in large numbers simply do not want to face the reality that the country must endure falling/stagnant living standard for another 20 years along with the rest of Europe. We simply cannot continue to live as we have done on debt which is largely provided by foreign countries which have less good standards of living than ourselves. Twenty years of cold turkey is the right medicine but the piblic don't want to take it.
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A ninety day leadership contest for labour would be a dream for Lynton Crosby - even if there was only one candidate.
National Opinion Poll (YouGov):
CON - 33% (+1)
LAB - 33% (-)
Scenario with Alan Johnson as Labour leader:
LAB - 33% (-)
CON - 31% (-1)
'The only cards the Tories have to play are'
And which cards do the Lib Dems have to play?.
How many hundreds of billions of pounds will he have failed by do you think ?
Cameron needs to all be about statesmanship, leadership and long-term vision for the country. He should set out credible strategies within that for addressing people's concerns on Europe and immigration and cease these short-term knee-jerk gimmicks.
He should also charm the socks off his own backbench MPs and show he's listening by broadening his inner circle.
National Opinion Poll (YouGov):
CON - 33% (+1)
LAB - 33% (-)
Scenario with Alan Johnson as Labour leader:
LAB - 33% (-)
CON - 31% (-1)
And before you ask there were only 1.5 Tories around the table.
What happens if he spits his dummy out and causes an immediate byelection.
Real potential problem there for Labour.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11218334/Conservatives-snatch-first-poll-lead-for-six-months-as-Ed-Milibands-woes-worsen.html
That YouGov only find LAB doing 2% better with Alan Johnson as leader looks quite good for EdM
Agreed - Miliband is certainly a problem but the lack of credible policies is a much bigger one despite NP's silly tweets.
So imagine having to take in all the financial stuff on top of every other policy area, and of course the Tories will point out how useless he is with the numbers as they at the same time claim Osborne is the steady hand on the tiller of the economy.
UKIP need to be very careful who they select or we will have a repeat of 1945 where all sorts of wonderful characters got elected for Labour in 1945 having only stood as the seat was thought to be unwinnable.......
ICM Research interviewed an online sample of 2,050 people aged 18+ on 5-6th November 2014.
There has been a concerted and coordinated effort by the press to kill Millibamd. It was 2 ministers a few days ago, the story died down. Now its 20 ministers. Perhaps by Tuesday they'll be reporting 200 labour MPs calling for Ed to go....
Ed Miliband is not Labour's problem, it's that it's not left wing and WWC enough to prevent losing votes.
The other 4.5 were kippers.
The public have had enough.
Tomorrow a Labour MP tells me on camera that for GE2015 "the answer isn't more Ed for the next six months"
Amazingly scientific survey. I could vie with Ashcroft.
As proven also by a NYT article that I posted, the moderate centrists are a minority, the majority of the public are extremists.
Poor chap, he's a nice guy, trying to difficult job.
#WeBackEd
EDIT - I see Sunil was on the case more speedily. He has Thunderbird 1 to my Thunderbird 2. I had to wait for the Pod to load....
"Ed Shadow Minister plunges in the dagger"
Plus a poll
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B183kyaCYAACMY2.jpg
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/who-said-it-david-cameron-or-an-eightyearold--ekct2q8Evx
He picked a hell of a night to ask me.
Is Ed Miliband up to the job of leading Labour (YouGov) LAB voters only:
Yes - 34% (-17)
No - 42% (+14)
Percentage changes from October.
Simon Danczuk 2/1
Kate Hoey 3/1
Frank Field 3/1
Alan Campbell 5/1
What they did say, which I found interesting, is that they thought Cameron has gravitas.
I can exclusively reveal that all 3 polls ie both real polls and the WI poll
Would result in............ EICIPM as would every poll since i have been posting ie June 2014.
The October erosion of the LAB lead has reversed in the early NOV polls so far so to quote Dave
calm down dears!!
Will your intellectual self confidence see you through?
Its all down hill from here I'm afraid.
EMWNBPM
Ed Miliband Will Never be Prime minister
COME ON ED!!!!! You can do it ...you can ....have faith man!
DUEMA # SaveEd # WebackEd
Have you seen his wife and her selfies?
If I lived in Rochdale (and I thank Allah, I don't) I'd be voting for him.
It's pretty bloody brutal.