Once just once A Labour type will post that Ed will be PM because he is the best leader with the best policy and the polls are irrelevant. Won't they ?
Probably not many Labour but loads of their kipper buddies will. How they yearn for Ed (look, he's not THAT crap) as PM and no tiresome referendum.
I have noticed over at the Times comment section that Ed's biggest defenders are Kippers.
Who needs to pay for the Dirty Digger when the Bedford One's Mighty Organ can tell us for free?
the whole westminster establishment is in meltdown,con lab and lib, a plague on all their houses. the public are rejecting the political classes, because they have been tested and found wanting. UKIP is just filling a political vacuum. Maybe we get the leaders we deserve
Once just once A Labour type will post that Ed will be PM because he is the best leader with the best policy and the polls are irrelevant. Won't they ?
Probably not many Labour but loads of their kipper buddies will. How they yearn for Ed (look, he's not THAT crap) as PM and no tiresome referendum.
I have noticed over at the Times comment section that Ed's biggest defenders are Kippers.
Who needs to pay for the Dirty Digger when the Bedford One's Mighty Organ can tell us for free?
Ed is teetering on the edge, with no one behind who can push
If it's going to be anyone, it will be the Postie (who will likely be seen as a caretaker for a year or two maximum). I just don't see him wanting it. He'd rather be cosying up on the couch being polite to the likes of Portillo.
Ed is teetering on the edge, with no one behind who can push
If it's going to be anyone, it will be the Postie (who will likely be seen as a caretaker for a year or two maximum). I just don't see him wanting it. He'd rather be cosying up on the couch being polite to the likes of Portillo.
Did they poll for Hattie?
After all, she has to agree to stand aside before anyone can be anointed leader.
Once just once A Labour type will post that Ed will be PM because he is the best leader with the best policy and the polls are irrelevant. Won't they ?
Probably not many Labour but loads of their kipper buddies will. How they yearn for Ed (look, he's not THAT crap) as PM and no tiresome referendum.
I have noticed over at the Times comment section that Ed's biggest defenders are Kippers.
Who needs to pay for the Dirty Digger when the Bedford One's Mighty Organ can tell us for free?
Indeed.
You're all lucky to read me for free.
Wait, I shouldn't have been paying for this? I knew I was being ripped off.
Fact. They have developed down certain paths because that is what worked. If it didn't, they would have done whatever did work. Now it doesn't and they haven't had time to shift yet.
Night all. EICIPM, even after all these unsourced rumblings of discontent.
CON 29% +2% LAB 34% +3% UKIP 23% -1% LD - 6% -3% AP 8% -1%
Disaster for Ed
Yes because that's what all the major news outlets are focusing on isn't it?
Without looking further down, so I maybe wrong, it looks like the only poll TSE has not posted,despite it being realeased nearly an hour ago.....mmmmm....strange that?
CON 29% +2% LAB 34% +3% UKIP 23% -1% LD - 6% -3% AP 8% -1%
Disaster for Ed
Yes because that's what all the major news outlets are focusing on isn't it?
Labour still being on course to win is not really news, compared to rumours of Labour infighting, given it is a longstanding thing whereas the Labour infighting has not been as openly discussed before. It remains the most important detail though.
Mr Miliband’s future as party leader could be raised at a meeting of the officers on the party’s ruling National Executive Committee this week. A key meeting of the NEC last week to plan for the year ahead was poorly attended.
One NEC member said: “The place was in meltdown and a totally febrile atmosphere. There is a man is stuck in his job but no one wants it and everyone thinks he is useless. There is no resolution.”
CON 29% +2% LAB 34% +3% UKIP 23% -1% LD - 6% -3% AP 8% -1%
Disaster for Ed
Yes because that's what all the major news outlets are focusing on isn't it?
Without looking further down, so I maybe wrong, it looks like the only poll TSE has not posted,despite it being realeased nearly an hour ago.....mmmmm....strange that?
CON 29% +2% LAB 34% +3% UKIP 23% -1% LD - 6% -3% AP 8% -1%
Disaster for Ed
Yes because that's what all the major news outlets are focusing on isn't it?
Without looking further down, so I maybe wrong, it looks like the only poll TSE has not posted,despite it being realeased nearly an hour ago.....mmmmm....strange that?
Always wrong aren't you Compouter.
I posted it down thread.
That is why I stated "I maybe wrong"......not always wrong though.Did point our Labour were struggling in H&M.
Good evensong. Laughably awful polling for Ed Miliband, and the Conservatives. Perhaps the answer is for both parties to sacrifice their leaders and allow the press a clear run at the election. Adam Boulton for PM and Janan Ganesh as chancellor. Dib dib dib.
Once just once A Labour type will post that Ed will be PM because he is the best leader with the best policy and the polls are irrelevant. Won't they ?
Ed is Crap will be PM because he is the leader of the Lab party that has best/fairest policies for the difficult years ahead.
The polls are onlyrelevant because every poll since i became a PB regular in June even those with small Tory leads show EICIPM.
Thats as far as I could go TBF
That 'best/fairest' is very telling. Why add fairest to best? If your fairness is not in conflict with best, it wouldn't need to be added.
Oh so febrile. I know Ed is crap and all that but all those living in cloud cuckoo land who think that Alan Johnson is any better are losing the plot. Johnson is a 40 watt bulb.
Well it looks like Labour should have picked Alan Johnson, but if Ed Miliband does not manage to sneak into No 10 through the back door they have a new Messiah in Chukka Umuna
Indeed if you believe that polling Chukka wins easily, as not even the most cockeyed Conservative would forecast that deficit swinging back in around 180 days. But i would file all this stuff in the not going to happen draw.
Sunil Partly the reason Michael Dobbs named him in the first place
TheLastBoyScout If Miliband loses it certainly could happen, Umunna would then be the man to beat and Ed Miliband is also likely to prefer him to Cooper and Burnham, Umunna was a supported of Ed in 2010, Cooper and Burnham have been accused of plotting against him
I can exclusively reveal that all 3 polls ie both real polls and the WI poll
Would result in............ EICIPM as would every poll since i have been posting ie June 2014.
The October erosion of the LAB lead has reversed in the early NOV polls so far so to quote Dave
calm down dears!!
In all seriousness John, imagine for one second he scrapes a win on those numbers.
What do you think happens next?
Still a lot of unpopular decisions to be made.
I don't rate Ed much higher than the Ed is Crap brigade but it will not stop me voting Lab to try to get rid of the Tories.
I will take my chances on it being a longer term disaster for LAB, but you have to take each GE as it comes (football manager speak).
With MPs like Danczuk and Mann it may well be but I agree with Eds policies that the better off have to shoulder the burden of deficit reduction and thats what matters to me.
I honestly believe EIC will be PM but lets see what happens.
Making my position clear I think Labour should not ever be let near the levers of power - their record speaks for itself.
But I am not a fanboy for any other party either.
In my honest opinion Ed would be a disaster and you would be better off losing rather than having him as PM for a couple of years.
But power always more important to Labour than anything else.
It is worth noting that Ed wins on all polls this evening and David's Conservatives have somehow managed to get even worse. One might wonder whether the Euroshambles was an elaborate George ploy to #SaveEd
Been out for the evening, but given that we agreed that these polls would show the impact of really scathing media coverage for Ed, they're a bit of a non-event. Up 3 with Opinium, down 1 with YouGov. Meh. The striking thing about the "But what if the party was led by X?" questions is that they don't make much difference (and if we did change to X the media would start picking X apart instead).
Voting opinion is very settled - people know what they think about Cameron and Miliband and Clegg, and they've factored it in. It's a boring point and it doesn't make for an exciting news story, but it's the reality. The main significant change over the last year or so has been the advance of UKIP, for at Tory expense and then at Labour's. Potentially that could change in various ways. Otherwise, I don't think much will change at all.
Been out for the evening, but given that we agreed that these polls would show the impact of really scathing media coverage for Ed, they're a bit of a non-event. Up 3 with Opinium, down 1 with YouGov. Meh. The striking thing about the "But what if the party was led by X?" questions is that they don't make much difference (and if we did change to X the media would start picking X apart instead).
Voting opinion is very settled - people know what they think about Cameron and Miliband and Clegg, and they've factored it in. It's a boring point and it doesn't make for an exciting news story, but it's the reality. The main significant change over the last year or so has been the advance of UKIP, for at Tory expense and then at Labour's. Potentially that could change in various ways. Otherwise, I don't think much will change at all.
Looking at the polls, Labour increases its lead in Opinium and Survation and falls back to parity on Yougov. With regards the papers, that right of UKIP MP Simon Danczuk has placed an article in every Labour supporters fave paper The Mail attacking Ed Miliband. The twitter attacks on him from the rank and file members is something to behold. Wonder how many party members will be running to his aid in a few months time when he has to defend his marginal seat of Rochdale. At least he will have the money from when his Mrs appears in Playboy/on Big Brother to fallback on.
How can the BBC news at 11pm not even mention Ed and his woes given the press emerging minute by minute. Serously behind the plot or is it a weak attempt to keep the EU story going? Mmmmmmm
How do you think? It matters not a jot to those BBC lefties that Sky are actually LEADING on this story!
Quite, unlike Sky their income is guaranteed by law. Makes them lazy i guess or lefties or both more like.
The Mail story is a blatant lie. The Observer story is so vastly inflated in numbers as to fail the sniff test. Yes there is disquiet. Yes Danczuk is a scab. But a Labour party out to stab Ed in the back? Only non the script the press decided to write.
Good man! Keep up that good work, both you and BenM. We don't want Ed going anywhere at the moment
So Miliband's engulfed in a crisis which nobody can quite put a finger on but seems to be growing in the media day by day. I always had a feeling the media would find a way of getting payback for Leveson. I have a hunch that this will drag on in some form or other until election day
Sky News Alan Johnson states he doesn't think he is up to the role and doesn't want to do it. Hard to see then how he can ever be considered when he had to leave the other post of shadow COE as he also thought he was not up to that role either . If Labour choose him then it will be a complete total turkey shoot.
Knowing Labour though that won't stop them actually doing it of course
Been out for the evening, but given that we agreed that these polls would show the impact of really scathing media coverage for Ed, they're a bit of a non-event. Up 3 with Opinium, down 1 with YouGov. Meh. The striking thing about the "But what if the party was led by X?" questions is that they don't make much difference (and if we did change to X the media would start picking X apart instead).
Voting opinion is very settled - people know what they think about Cameron and Miliband and Clegg, and they've factored it in. It's a boring point and it doesn't make for an exciting news story, but it's the reality. The main significant change over the last year or so has been the advance of UKIP, for at Tory expense and then at Labour's. Potentially that could change in various ways. Otherwise, I don't think much will change at all.
Looking at the polls, Labour increases its lead in Opinium and Survation and falls back to parity on Yougov. With regards the papers, that right of UKIP MP Simon Danczuk has placed an article in every Labour supporters fave paper The Mail attacking Ed Miliband. The twitter attacks on him from the rank and file members is something to behold. Wonder how many party members will be running to his aid in a few months time when he has to defend his marginal seat of Rochdale. At least he will have the money from when his Mrs appears in Playboy/on Big Brother to fallback on.
Only a truly desperate leftie could in all seriousness say 'the Twitter attacks' and rely on that for your story.
HYUFD ICM is NOT a Voting Intention poll, merely a prediction ("Wisdom Index")
Sunil, you have be warned about this, your total disregard for PB Hodge rules tonight has been a total disgrace, and to make matter worse, no Ed is crap posts.I can see you being banned shortly.
Well it looks like Labour should have picked Alan Johnson, but if Ed Miliband does not manage to sneak into No 10 through the back door they have a new Messiah in Chukka Umuna
Indeed if you believe that polling Chukka wins easily, as not even the most cockeyed Conservative would forecast that deficit swinging back in around 180 days. But i would file all this stuff in the not going to happen draw.
Six months till polling day would be enough time for people to realise Chukka's another vacuous, diabolical modern politician who has nothing to say. A lamentable individual.
Been out for the evening, but given that we agreed that these polls would show the impact of really scathing media coverage for Ed, they're a bit of a non-event. Up 3 with Opinium, down 1 with YouGov. Meh. The striking thing about the "But what if the party was led by X?" questions is that they don't make much difference (and if we did change to X the media would start picking X apart instead).
Voting opinion is very settled - people know what they think about Cameron and Miliband and Clegg, and they've factored it in. It's a boring point and it doesn't make for an exciting news story, but it's the reality. The main significant change over the last year or so has been the advance of UKIP, for at Tory expense and then at Labour's. Potentially that could change in various ways. Otherwise, I don't think much will change at all.
Looking at the polls, Labour increases its lead in Opinium and Survation and falls back to parity on Yougov. With regards the papers, that right of UKIP MP Simon Danczuk has placed an article in every Labour supporters fave paper The Mail attacking Ed Miliband. The twitter attacks on him from the rank and file members is something to behold. Wonder how many party members will be running to his aid in a few months time when he has to defend his marginal seat of Rochdale. At least he will have the money from when his Mrs appears in Playboy/on Big Brother to fallback on.
Only a truly desperate leftie could in all seriousness say 'the Twitter attacks' and rely on that for your story.
CON 29% +2% LAB 34% +3% UKIP 23% -1% LD - 6% -3% AP 8% -1%
Disaster for Ed
Yes because that's what all the major news outlets are focusing on isn't it?
Without looking further down, so I maybe wrong, it looks like the only poll TSE has not posted,despite it being realeased nearly an hour ago.....mmmmm....strange that?
CON 29% +2% LAB 34% +3% UKIP 23% -1% LD - 6% -3% AP 8% -1%
Disaster for Ed
Yes because that's what all the major news outlets are focusing on isn't it?
Without looking further down, so I maybe wrong, it looks like the only poll TSE has not posted,despite it being realeased nearly an hour ago.....mmmmm....strange that?
Always wrong aren't you Compouter.
I posted it down thread.
In fact I think I was the first to do so.
Always smug aren't you TSE?
How's Dave at 29% working out for you?
I did actually point out that I did state "I may be wrong" as I couldn't be arsed looking down the thread, and tonight and every other nights story is Ed is crap, no matter what the Tory Party polls.....and UKIP are getting even less. (thought I would throw that in just for you).
CON 29% +2% LAB 34% +3% UKIP 23% -1% LD - 6% -3% AP 8% -1%
Disaster for Ed
Yes because that's what all the major news outlets are focusing on isn't it?
Without looking further down, so I maybe wrong, it looks like the only poll TSE has not posted,despite it being realeased nearly an hour ago.....mmmmm....strange that?
Always wrong aren't you Compouter.
I posted it down thread.
In fact I think I was the first to do so.
Always smug aren't you TSE?
How's Dave at 29% working out for you?
I did actually point out that I did state "I may be wrong" as I couldn't be arsed looking down the thread, and tonight and every other nights story is Ed is crap, no matter what the Tory Party polls.....and UKIP are getting even less. (thought I would throw that in just for you).
CON 29% +2% LAB 34% +3% UKIP 23% -1% LD - 6% -3% AP 8% -1%
Disaster for Ed
Yes because that's what all the major news outlets are focusing on isn't it?
Without looking further down, so I maybe wrong, it looks like the only poll TSE has not posted,despite it being realeased nearly an hour ago.....mmmmm....strange that?
Always wrong aren't you Compouter.
I posted it down thread.
In fact I think I was the first to do so.
Always smug aren't you TSE?
How's Dave at 29% working out for you?
I did actually point out that I did state "I may be wrong" as I couldn't be arsed looking down the thread, and tonight and every other nights story is Ed is crap, no matter what the Tory Party polls.....and UKIP are getting even less. (thought I would throw that in just for you).
Does anyone remember the 1980s BBC medical programme "Bodymatters"?
At the time it was one of the BBC's most popular programmes, but seems to have been completely forgotten about now, and there doesn't seem to be any footage of it on YouTube.
Does anyone remember the 1980s BBC medical programme "Bodymatters"?
At the time it was one of the BBC's most popular programmes, but seems to have been completely forgotten about now, and there doesn't seem to be any footage of it on YouTube.
I remember it! I think I might even have a little bit of one of the episodes on an old videotape (but only in between the main programmes recorded on it).
Sunil None the less the Tories are ahead and people expect Cameron to be back as PM, yougov is a voting intention poll and the Tories are tied in their Sunday Times poll
Sunil None the less the Tories are ahead and people expect Cameron to be back as PM, yougov is a voting intention poll and the Tories are tied in their Sunday Times poll
HYUFD Whereas Survation and Opinium have the Tories on only 29%
Sunil Both Survation and Opinium have UKIP close to or above 20% relatively higher than other polls, which explains the lower Tory score.
Both Obama and Bush Jnr got elected twice, even if they left office unpopular, Umunna would be more than happy to repeat their feat of 2 election victories. Night!
Interesting to see from the Survation poll that current declared Labour voters are much more anti-EU than current Conservative voters.
Does this indicate that UKIP have more potential to attract existing Labour supporters than existing Conservative supporters if they are going to increase their support even further. Seems to be one obvious interpretation.
The figures are (number of poll respondents, EU vote: IN:OUT)
Conservative 116:78 Labour 118:119 Liberal Democrat 11:22 SNP 14:10 UKIP 162:12 Green 6:18
Oh. Survation must have labelled their columns wrong! I assume that these are the other way around, but I'm leaving it as in the Survation data tables.
Do we have data tables for the rest of the polls yet? Wikipedia only has the Survation poll for the Mail.
YG should appear tomorrow, Opinium hopefully on Monday.
Cheers. Not soon then. I'm waiting for £25 from Opinium. I don't remember from the timing or the secondary questions whether I would have likely contributed to this latest poll.
Someone is paying Populus a lot of money for lots of private online opinion polls as I have a politics-oriented poll from them more often than twice a week at times, and I doubt they are polling me more than once for each of their twice-weekly opinion polls..
Q24. Can you imagine Ed Miliband improving the UK’s schools and hospitals? YES: 48% NO: 52%
POEWAS
The poverty of Labour's ambition is that people might imagine Ed Miliband doing less damage to the UK's schools and hospitals than David Cameron, and that might be enough.
For the main parties the next election does look like being a case of who is least crap, rather than who is best. That should favour the incumbent as the undecideds enter the polling booth, but it's going to be a crap mandate whichever of the two main parties has their nose in front in the end.
Q24. Can you imagine Ed Miliband improving the UK’s schools and hospitals? YES: 48% NO: 52%
POEWAS
The poverty of Labour's ambition is that people might imagine Ed Miliband doing less damage to the UK's schools and hospitals than David Cameron, and that might be enough.
For the main parties the next election does look like being a case of who is least crap, rather than who is best. That should favour the incumbent as the undecideds enter the polling booth, but it's going to be a crap mandate whichever of the two main parties has their nose in front in the end.
Yes indeed. Their bigger problem is that none of the possible leaders, with the exception of Chuka can 60% of people believe will make the economy grow. Even more startling, they can't imagine any of the candidates, including Ed having their finger on the nuclear button (including roughly 3/4 of Labour VI)
We're being swamped by clichés. I'm fed up with all these people. The police should catch real criminals. Then they might learn. It's political correctness gone mad.
Q24. Can you imagine Ed Miliband improving the UK’s schools and hospitals? YES: 48% NO: 52%
POEWAS
The poverty of Labour's ambition is that people might imagine Ed Miliband doing less damage to the UK's schools and hospitals than David Cameron, and that might be enough.
For the main parties the next election does look like being a case of who is least crap, rather than who is best. That should favour the incumbent as the undecideds enter the polling booth, but it's going to be a crap mandate whichever of the two main parties has their nose in front in the end.
Yes indeed. Their bigger problem is that none of the possible leaders, with the exception of Chuka can 60% of people believe will make the economy grow. Even more startling, they can't imagine any of the candidates, including Ed having their finger on the nuclear button (including roughly 3/4 of Labour VI)
I can't imagine having my finger on the nuclear button. Talk about a sweaty palms moment! Can you?
Q24. Can you imagine Ed Miliband improving the UK’s schools and hospitals? YES: 48% NO: 52%
POEWAS
The poverty of Labour's ambition is that people might imagine Ed Miliband doing less damage to the UK's schools and hospitals than David Cameron, and that might be enough.
For the main parties the next election does look like being a case of who is least crap, rather than who is best. That should favour the incumbent as the undecideds enter the polling booth, but it's going to be a crap mandate whichever of the two main parties has their nose in front in the end.
Yes indeed. Their bigger problem is that none of the possible leaders, with the exception of Chuka can 60% of people believe will make the economy grow. Even more startling, they can't imagine any of the candidates, including Ed having their finger on the nuclear button (including roughly 3/4 of Labour VI)
I can't imagine having my finger on the nuclear button. Talk about a sweaty palms moment! Can you?
No, but then I dont want to be the PM, it goes with the turf I think!
Oh dear - and to think the Miliband/Farage coupling were telling us how badly this would play I the country.
I think they are lucky the Labour Leadership Fiasco knocked if off the front pages. If the media had kicked it around for another day or two it might be a different story. But really its not this sort of stuff that decides how people want to vote. Personally I think most of the polling is so much hot air, in the polling booth people will have three things in mind imo. Tribal Loyalty, Who they want (or dont want) to be PM, and their pocket books. Farage is doing well because of the second of these, UKIP have the NOTA vote, and the "understands people like us" vote - ie they are hoovering up the social conservative vote that Dave and Ed so carelessly discarded.
Q24. Can you imagine Ed Miliband improving the UK’s schools and hospitals? YES: 48% NO: 52%
POEWAS
The poverty of Labour's ambition is that people might imagine Ed Miliband doing less damage to the UK's schools and hospitals than David Cameron, and that might be enough.
For the main parties the next election does look like being a case of who is least crap, rather than who is best. That should favour the incumbent as the undecideds enter the polling booth, but it's going to be a crap mandate whichever of the two main parties has their nose in front in the end.
Yes indeed. Their bigger problem is that none of the possible leaders, with the exception of Chuka can 60% of people believe will make the economy grow. Even more startling, they can't imagine any of the candidates, including Ed having their finger on the nuclear button (including roughly 3/4 of Labour VI)
"Person I can least imagine blowing up the world" sounds like a good way to choose a PM.
Q24. Can you imagine Ed Miliband improving the UK’s schools and hospitals? YES: 48% NO: 52%
POEWAS
The poverty of Labour's ambition is that people might imagine Ed Miliband doing less damage to the UK's schools and hospitals than David Cameron, and that might be enough.
For the main parties the next election does look like being a case of who is least crap, rather than who is best. That should favour the incumbent as the undecideds enter the polling booth, but it's going to be a crap mandate whichever of the two main parties has their nose in front in the end.
Yes indeed. Their bigger problem is that none of the possible leaders, with the exception of Chuka can 60% of people believe will make the economy grow. Even more startling, they can't imagine any of the candidates, including Ed having their finger on the nuclear button (including roughly 3/4 of Labour VI)
"Person I can least imagine blowing up the world" sounds like a good way to choose a PM.
Looks like Andy Burnham is your man then
But it did say "finger on the button", not "pushing the button", so people might not be able to imagine that persons finger on the button because they think they might push it!
Every time they look they find more hypocrisy from lefties, its the gift that keeps giving.
"CMT boss Francois Woo last week confirmed that the migrant women from Bangladesh, India and Vietnam were paid £120 a month basic wage – equivalent to 62p an hour.
The company claims that the dormitory accommodation and three meals a day they provide effectively brings the women’s salaries up to £210, but even that falls far short of the £290 voluntary living wage set by the Mauritian government. To achieve that, the women should be paid £1.47 an hour – not 62p.
The claim by Whistles – whose chief executive Jane Shepherdson is believed to earn £300,000 a year – that the workers had union representation was also questioned by Jane Ragoo, president of the island’s Trade Unions Consultative Congress."
And its supported by people that continuously bang on about a Living Wage.
Just read that Mail article where GO repeats his lie
He insisted it was ‘not clear’ the £1.7m rebate was going to apply to the surcharge, which was demanded after a recalculation of Britain’s income relative to the other member states.
This is a lie or GO cannot read.
This was released by EU the day after the £1.7bn story
Just read that Mail article where GO repeats his lie
He insisted it was ‘not clear’ the £1.7m rebate was going to apply to the surcharge, which was demanded after a recalculation of Britain’s income relative to the other member states.
This is a lie or GO cannot read.
This was released by EU the day after the £1.7bn story
Stage Two: Discredit the evidence you are not publishing, saying 1. It leaves important questions unanswered. 2. Much of the evidence is inconclusive. 3. The figures are open to other interpretations. 4. Certain findings are contradictory. 5. Some of the main conclusions have been questioned. (If they haven't, question them yourself; then they have).
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You're all lucky to read me for free.
CON 29% +2%
LAB 34% +3%
UKIP 23% -1%
LD - 6% -3%
AP 8% -1%
Disaster for Ed
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-14-723_en.htm
After all, she has to agree to stand aside before anyone can be anointed leader.
I'll get my coat. Fact. They have developed down certain paths because that is what worked. If it didn't, they would have done whatever did work. Now it doesn't and they haven't had time to shift yet.
Night all. EICIPM, even after all these unsourced rumblings of discontent.
I posted it down thread.
In fact I think I was the first to do so.
Adam Boulton for PM and Janan Ganesh as chancellor. Dib dib dib.
Some, less charitable, than me might suggest it be rebranded the ICM Ignorance Index.
But you are right not to stick it in your elbow.
I don't put it it my main polling master spreadsheet
Ed in charge of a weak government would be a disaster waiting to happen.
Did that count as a crossover? I need to plan some more flights
TheLastBoyScout If Miliband loses it certainly could happen, Umunna would then be the man to beat and Ed Miliband is also likely to prefer him to Cooper and Burnham, Umunna was a supported of Ed in 2010, Cooper and Burnham have been accused of plotting against him
I'm expecting the Guardian/ICM phone poll out on Monday around 5/6pm.
So you need to be on a plane at that time mister.
Your contribution is appreciated.
But I am not a fanboy for any other party either.
In my honest opinion Ed would be a disaster and you would be better off losing rather than having him as PM for a couple of years.
But power always more important to Labour than anything else.
Voting opinion is very settled - people know what they think about Cameron and Miliband and Clegg, and they've factored it in. It's a boring point and it doesn't make for an exciting news story, but it's the reality. The main significant change over the last year or so has been the advance of UKIP, for at Tory expense and then at Labour's. Potentially that could change in various ways. Otherwise, I don't think much will change at all.
Quite, unlike Sky their income is guaranteed by law. Makes them lazy i guess or lefties or both more like. Good man! Keep up that good work, both you and BenM. We don't want Ed going anywhere at the moment
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827026/Voters-Cameron-EU-cash-half-Mail-Sunday-poll-say-PM-right-stand-Brussels-1-75bn-bill.html
Out: 54%
In: 31%
Undecided: 15%
http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=e17762efe2cccb1f0ed943c1f&id=8f029ae69e
'The Mail story is a blatant lie. The Observer story is so vastly inflated in numbers as to fail the sniff test. '
What do you expect from the Tory press?.
Alan Johnson states he doesn't think he is up to the role and doesn't want to do it. Hard to see then how he can ever be considered when he had to leave the other post of shadow COE as he also thought he was not up to that role either . If Labour choose him then it will be a complete total turkey shoot.
Knowing Labour though that won't stop them actually doing it of course
But will save the best bits for the election campaign.
Thank goodness then for that bastion of honesty the left wing press. Where would we be without them?
1) Leaving aside what you would prefer to happen, which of the two main parties do you most expect to be in power after next year’s election?
The Labour Party - 34%
The Conservative Party - 37%
Don’t know - 29%
http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=e17762efe2cccb1f0ed943c1f&id=8f029ae69e
How's Dave at 29% working out for you?
A BBC training video from 1987:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ped7YNlWm8
At the time it was one of the BBC's most popular programmes, but seems to have been completely forgotten about now, and there doesn't seem to be any footage of it on YouTube.
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?adv=0&q=Bodymatters&media=all&yf=1923&yt=2009&mf=1&mt=12&tf=00:00&tt=00:00
Also Obama seems to be as unpopular as Bush Jr.
Both Obama and Bush Jnr got elected twice, even if they left office unpopular, Umunna would be more than happy to repeat their feat of 2 election victories. Night!
Does this indicate that UKIP have more potential to attract existing Labour supporters than existing Conservative supporters if they are going to increase their support even further. Seems to be one obvious interpretation.
The figures are (number of poll respondents, EU vote: IN:OUT) Oh. Survation must have labelled their columns wrong! I assume that these are the other way around, but I'm leaving it as in the Survation data tables.
This would reverse my comment, of course.
At this stage I would accept getting well at any time - it begin to feels endless when you've been in pain for half a week.
Someone is paying Populus a lot of money for lots of private online opinion polls as I have a politics-oriented poll from them more often than twice a week at times, and I doubt they are polling me more than once for each of their twice-weekly opinion polls..
Can't even win on their core message
Q24. Can you imagine Ed Miliband improving the UK’s schools and hospitals?
YES: 48%
NO: 52%
POEWAS
For the main parties the next election does look like being a case of who is least crap, rather than who is best. That should favour the incumbent as the undecideds enter the polling booth, but it's going to be a crap mandate whichever of the two main parties has their nose in front in the end.
Maybe they need to 'consciously couple's:)
But it did say "finger on the button", not "pushing the button", so people might not be able to imagine that persons finger on the button because they think they might push it!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2826985/Feminist-T-shirt-women-paid-living-wage-MoS-expos-45-Miliband-reveal-truth-feminists-shameless-defence-sweatshops.html
"CMT boss Francois Woo last week confirmed that the migrant women from Bangladesh, India and Vietnam were paid £120 a month basic wage – equivalent to 62p an hour.
The company claims that the dormitory accommodation and three meals a day they provide effectively brings the women’s salaries up to £210, but even that falls far short of the £290 voluntary living wage set by the Mauritian government. To achieve that, the women should be paid £1.47 an hour – not 62p.
The claim by Whistles – whose chief executive Jane Shepherdson is believed to earn £300,000 a year – that the workers had union representation was also questioned by Jane Ragoo, president of the island’s Trade Unions Consultative Congress."
And its supported by people that continuously bang on about a Living Wage.
He insisted it was ‘not clear’ the £1.7m rebate was going to apply to the surcharge, which was demanded after a recalculation of Britain’s income relative to the other member states.
This is a lie or GO cannot read.
This was released by EU the day after the £1.7bn story
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-14-723_en.htm
Stage Two: Discredit the evidence you are not publishing, saying
1. It leaves important questions unanswered.
2. Much of the evidence is inconclusive.
3. The figures are open to other interpretations.
4. Certain findings are contradictory.
5. Some of the main conclusions have been questioned. (If they haven't, question them yourself; then they have).
The Survation one has Lab 350 Con 241 LD 30