I have to admit to feeling contempt for the Yorkshire voters.
Which in turn is a pretty contemptible narrow minded comment. Is this another new group for UKIPers to hate? South Yorkshire voters? The list seems endless.
Do you have any numbers to show that would be helpful to the Tories rather than harmful?
No. However large postal vote numbers seems to crop more in Labour wins and there have been suggestions that "block votes" for turning a blind eye to "cultural practices" is more common in Labour areas. Combine that with what a judge once referred to as postal voting being an electoral system that would shame a banana republic and it seems to me that there is enough anecdotal evidence to show that the only safe way to vote is to force people to go to the Polling Station.
Combine that with the known propensity of older (aka tory) voters to actually go and vote and I would have thought that the tories could have rebalanced some of their electoral chances.
Was EdM really going to object to getting rid of easily abused voting systems? It would be PR gold-dust if he did.
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 29s29 seconds ago Even better number crunch: *other parties put together* must lead @AlanBillingsPCC by 5,240 to take it to second round
Looks like a clear Labour win. Alan Billings was a very good candidate and I think Ed should be grateful to him.
UKIP also overplayed their hand.
Take a look at their MEP and Rotherham candidate Twitter feed from last night.
They managed to alienate the people they needed with their nasty campaign.
Yes, that's right. I just think Billings came across as much more reasonable.
The whole tone was if you don't vote UKIP you're a paedo enabler.
As one of the parents of abused child said the other day. People forget that Rotherham hasn't exploded in race riots following recent events because people know it was a small minority.
Some in UKIP would have you believe all Pakis are paedos.
"Some in UKIP would have you believe all Pakis are paedos."
Who exactly? Time to name names.
Check out some Twitter feeds or the comment sections under the telegraph or the mail.
There's a quote saying that "all Pakis are paedos" from an official UKIP source? Please link.
Or just the usual smearing and innuendo that passes for political debate these days.
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 1m1 minute ago Excellent number crunch RT @220_d_92_20: UKIP need to lead Labour by 5,240 votes in Rotherham or else @AlanBillingsPCC wins on first count
That's not right. I've not done the numbers myself but I suspect Labour needs to get within 5240 of the combined total of the other parties to win on the first count. Con and ED votes count against Lab hitting 50% too.
Looks like a clear Labour win. Alan Billings was a very good candidate and I think Ed should be grateful to him.
UKIP also overplayed their hand.
Take a look at their MEP and Rotherham candidate Twitter feed from last night.
They managed to alienate the people they needed with their nasty campaign.
Yes, that's right. I just think Billings came across as much more reasonable.
The whole tone was if you don't vote UKIP you're a paedo enabler.
As one of the parents of abused child said the other day. People forget that Rotherham hasn't exploded in race riots following recent events because people know it was a small minority.
Some in UKIP would have you believe all Pakis are paedos.
"Some in UKIP would have you believe all Pakis are paedos."
Who exactly? Time to name names.
Check out some Twitter feeds or the comment sections under the telegraph or the mail.
There's a quote saying that "all Pakis are paedos" from an official UKIP source? Please link.
Or just the usual smearing and innuendo that passes for political debate these days.
It's been said by TSE now, and no doubt given he edits the site, it will be allowed to linger, and gradually be assumed to be said by a Kipper for as long as he and Mike dislike UKIP
That is quite a commute. I got lost coming back from Sheffield, missed the Snake Pass turn and wound up in a place called "Genocide". A different road later revealed that some wag had painted out an 'r' and it was Grenocide. Nonetheless, I was worried... you hear about these out-of-the-way places....... pentacles on the pub walls and Brian Glover standing in the local cemetry.
To be honest, if I was Fargle, I would be very relieved if UKIP come a good second.
The last thing I would want six months before the general election is my first actual exercise of power being that poisoned chalice with the eyes of the nations press on it.
I have to admit to feeling contempt for the Yorkshire voters.
After the uprising of the 17th of June The Secretary of the Writers' Union Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee Stating that the people Had forfeited the confidence of the government And could win it back only By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier In that case for the government To dissolve the people And elect another?
Lab 59,054 (52.3%) UKIP 32,675 (28.9%) C 14,600 (12.9%) ED 6,539 (5.8%)
So it all depends on how much labour are defeated by in Rotherham and how many of the ED and C voters put 2 against UKIP.
UKIP would need a Clactonesque result in Rotherham to be in with a shout now. It won't happen. A second round should, though I'd be surprised if the number of transferable Con and ED votes would be sufficient to see UKIP over the line even if they got them all, given that there'll be leakage to abstentions (and in any case, they won't get them all).
That is quite a commute. I got lost coming back from Sheffield, missed the Snake Pass turn and wound up in a place called "Genocide". A different road later revealed that some wag had painted out an 'r' and it was Grenocide. Nonetheless, I was worried... you hear about these out-of-the-way places....... pentacles on the pub walls and Brian Glover standing in the local cemetry.
You could always end up in Hadfield too, better known as Royston Vasey from 'The League of Gentleman'.
That is quite a commute. I got lost coming back from Sheffield, missed the Snake Pass turn and wound up in a place called "Genocide". A different road later revealed that some wag had painted out an 'r' and it was Grenocide. Nonetheless, I was worried... you hear about these out-of-the-way places....... pentacles on the pub walls and Brian Glover standing in the local cemetry.
You could always end up in Hadfield too, better known as Royston Vasey from 'The League of Gentleman'.
"This is a local election for local people! There's nothing for you here!"
If Labour manage to keep their 16k voters from Rotherham in 2012 then they should be over the 50% line I think. Difficult to see UKIP even managing to push the vote to 2nd prefs now.
Are 2nd prefs counted automatically or will we never find out if Labour win outright?
That is quite a commute. I got lost coming back from Sheffield, missed the Snake Pass turn and wound up in a place called "Genocide". A different road later revealed that some wag had painted out an 'r' and it was Grenocide. Nonetheless, I was worried... you hear about these out-of-the-way places....... pentacles on the pub walls and Brian Glover standing in the local cemetry.
You could always end up in Hadfield too, better known as Royston Vasey from 'The League of Gentleman'.
"This is a local election for local people! There's nothing for you here!"
That is quite a commute. I got lost coming back from Sheffield, missed the Snake Pass turn and wound up in a place called "Genocide". A different road later revealed that some wag had painted out an 'r' and it was Grenocide. Nonetheless, I was worried... you hear about these out-of-the-way places....... pentacles on the pub walls and Brian Glover standing in the local cemetry.
That is quite a commute. I got lost coming back from Sheffield, missed the Snake Pass turn and wound up in a place called "Genocide". A different road later revealed that some wag had painted out an 'r' and it was Grenocide. Nonetheless, I was worried... you hear about these out-of-the-way places....... pentacles on the pub walls and Brian Glover standing in the local cemetry.
If Labour manage to keep their 16k voters from Rotherham in 2012 then they should be over the 50% line I think. Difficult to see UKIP even managing to push the vote to 2nd prefs now.
Are 2nd prefs counted automatically or will we never find out if Labour win outright?
If Labour get over 50% 1st preferences then they've won outright, haven't they?
If Labour manage to keep their 16k voters from Rotherham in 2012 then they should be over the 50% line I think. Difficult to see UKIP even managing to push the vote to 2nd prefs now.
Are 2nd prefs counted automatically or will we never find out if Labour win outright?
If Labour get over 50% 1st preferences then they've won outright, haven't they?
That is quite a commute. I got lost coming back from Sheffield, missed the Snake Pass turn and wound up in a place called "Genocide". A different road later revealed that some wag had painted out an 'r' and it was Grenocide. Nonetheless, I was worried... you hear about these out-of-the-way places....... pentacles on the pub walls and Brian Glover standing in the local cemetry.
You could always end up in Hadfield too, better known as Royston Vasey from 'The League of Gentleman'.
"This is a local election for local people! There's nothing for you here!"
Nothing for UKIP here, it seems.
It might be safer for them that way. Every elected UKIP representative is a potential April hatchet job in the press.
If UKIP don't win this SYPCC, are the Tories value in Rochester again?
I don't see the two as particularly connected. This election is a reality check on UKIP's prospects against Labour in the north. I'm not sure it tells us very much about UKIP's prospects against the Conservatives in the south.
If UKIP don't win this SYPCC, are the Tories value in Rochester again?
On the face of it, maybe. But I think we have to assume that the tightening of UKIP's price this week is not unrelated to the Survation poll that took place 27th-28th October.
That is quite a commute. I got lost coming back from Sheffield, missed the Snake Pass turn and wound up in a place called "Genocide". A different road later revealed that some wag had painted out an 'r' and it was Grenocide. Nonetheless, I was worried... you hear about these out-of-the-way places....... pentacles on the pub walls and Brian Glover standing in the local cemetry.
If UKIP don't win this SYPCC, are the Tories value in Rochester again?
I don't see the two as particularly connected. This election is a reality check on UKIP's prospects against Labour in the north. I'm not sure it tells us very much about UKIP's prospects against the Conservatives in the south.
Oh lads! I was teasing.. as if it makes a blind bit of difference
That is quite a commute. I got lost coming back from Sheffield, missed the Snake Pass turn and wound up in a place called "Genocide". A different road later revealed that some wag had painted out an 'r' and it was Grenocide. Nonetheless, I was worried... you hear about these out-of-the-way places....... pentacles on the pub walls and Brian Glover standing in the local cemetry.
Looks like a clear Labour win. Alan Billings was a very good candidate and I think Ed should be grateful to him.
UKIP also overplayed their hand.
Take a look at their MEP and Rotherham candidate Twitter feed from last night.
They managed to alienate the people they needed with their nasty campaign.
Yes, that's right. I just think Billings came across as much more reasonable.
The whole tone was if you don't vote UKIP you're a paedo enabler.
As one of the parents of abused child said the other day. People forget that Rotherham hasn't exploded in race riots following recent events because people know it was a small minority.
Some in UKIP would have you believe all Pakis are paedos.
"Some in UKIP would have you believe all Pakis are paedos."
Who exactly? Time to name names.
Check out some Twitter feeds or the comment sections under the telegraph or the mail.
That is quite a commute. I got lost coming back from Sheffield, missed the Snake Pass turn and wound up in a place called "Genocide". A different road later revealed that some wag had painted out an 'r' and it was Grenocide. Nonetheless, I was worried... you hear about these out-of-the-way places....... pentacles on the pub walls and Brian Glover standing in the local cemetry.
That is quite a commute. I got lost coming back from Sheffield, missed the Snake Pass turn and wound up in a place called "Genocide". A different road later revealed that some wag had painted out an 'r' and it was Grenocide. Nonetheless, I was worried... you hear about these out-of-the-way places....... pentacles on the pub walls and Brian Glover standing in the local cemetry.
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 1m1 minute ago Close but no cigar for Farage. RT @Markfergusonuk: Labour wins Rotherham by 800 votes and avoids 2nd round of voting by 0.02%!
I’m replying to a couple of eaerlier comments; sadly to reply direcdtly takes the post over the word limit. Mr Felix’ comment about “millions of new jobs” doesn’t take into account that that headline figure obscures the fact that too many of these jobs are low-wage or zero-hours contracts, or, worse, both. It is to be hoped that the Government will do something about ZHC’s but time is running out before the election.
Mr Financier, that raises an interesting question for our Kipper friends. How are they going to square that circle? Clearly the current policy of insisting that claimants have a good reason for turning down jobs isn’t working, in your locality at least. Why not?
Plato seems to me to be somewhat misanthropic. Last night he declared he liked to blow raspberries in the face of people who don't share his misanthropic humour. Today he says the poor are thick. I can only presume he is rich and employed in a wonderfully well paid job, and deserves every penny. What job do you have Plato?
*she
Yesterdays comment on something like the temptations of Lesbianism may have been a small clue
That poster (or some iteration thereof) once fretted no end about my gender - which I guess is a diversion from their tiresome posts about whether people are following their betting tips.....
Do you have any numbers to show that would be helpful to the Tories rather than harmful?
No. However large postal vote numbers seems to crop more in Labour wins and there have been suggestions that "block votes" for turning a blind eye to "cultural practices" is more common in Labour areas. Combine that with what a judge once referred to as postal voting being an electoral system that would shame a banana republic and it seems to me that there is enough anecdotal evidence to show that the only safe way to vote is to force people to go to the Polling Station.
Combine that with the known propensity of older (aka tory) voters to actually go and vote and I would have thought that the tories could have rebalanced some of their electoral chances.
Was EdM really going to object to getting rid of easily abused voting systems? It would be PR gold-dust if he did.
The Northern Irish system needs to be transplanted to the mainland. Labour won't like that, suspect it cost the Conservatives a majority last time.
NIN22 - they must be the most worthless people in the world. In Lozells a rape of a small Black girl by Pakistani shop keepers caused an explosion of anger - at least it was heard.
I’m replying to a couple of eaerlier comments; sadly to reply direcdtly takes the post over the word limit. Mr Felix’ comment about “millions of new jobs” doesn’t take into account that that headline figure obscures the fact that too many of these jobs are low-wage or zero-hours contracts, or, worse, both. It is to be hoped that the Government will do something about ZHC’s but time is running out before the election.
Mr Financier, that raises an interesting question for our Kipper friends. How are they going to square that circle? Clearly the current policy of insisting that claimants have a good reason for turning down jobs isn’t working, in your locality at least. Why not?
Plato seems to me to be somewhat misanthropic. Last night he declared he liked to blow raspberries in the face of people who don't share his misanthropic humour. Today he says the poor are thick. I can only presume he is rich and employed in a wonderfully well paid job, and deserves every penny. What job do you have Plato?
*she
Yesterdays comment on something like the temptations of Lesbianism may have been a small clue
That poster (or some iteration thereof) once fretted no end about my gender - which I guess is a diversion from their tiresome posts about whether people are following their betting tips.....
Looks like a clear Labour win. Alan Billings was a very good candidate and I think Ed should be grateful to him.
UKIP also overplayed their hand.
Take a look at their MEP and Rotherham candidate Twitter feed from last night.
They managed to alienate the people they needed with their nasty campaign.
Yes, that's right. I just think Billings came across as much more reasonable.
The whole tone was if you don't vote UKIP you're a paedo enabler.
As one of the parents of abused child said the other day. People forget that Rotherham hasn't exploded in race riots following recent events because people know it was a small minority.
Some in UKIP would have you believe all Pakis are paedos.
"Some in UKIP would have you believe all Pakis are paedos."
Who exactly? Time to name names.
Check out some Twitter feeds or the comment sections under the telegraph or the mail.
There's a quote saying that "all Pakis are paedos" from an official UKIP source? Please link.
Or just the usual smearing and innuendo that passes for political debate these days.
I'll dig out the links over the weekend.
But it has been brought to my attention that one Kipper on this very board said that I was an establishment Tory and then said of Establishment Tories
"Establishment Tories and Establishment Labour have a symbiotic relationship - large numbers of their votes depend on a fear of the other.
So what neither want is the other to lose their heartland support.
And if that means thousands of children continue to be raped then that's deemed a price worth paying."
Pretty vile smear ain't it.
Of course I'll be able to find a post from you condemning such a vile smear.
I’m replying to a couple of eaerlier comments; sadly to reply direcdtly takes the post over the word limit. Mr Felix’ comment about “millions of new jobs” doesn’t take into account that that headline figure obscures the fact that too many of these jobs are low-wage or zero-hours contracts, or, worse, both. It is to be hoped that the Government will do something about ZHC’s but time is running out before the election.
Mr Financier, that raises an interesting question for our Kipper friends. How are they going to square that circle? Clearly the current policy of insisting that claimants have a good reason for turning down jobs isn’t working, in your locality at least. Why not?
Plato seems to me to be somewhat misanthropic. Last night he declared he liked to blow raspberries in the face of people who don't share his misanthropic humour. Today he says the poor are thick. I can only presume he is rich and employed in a wonderfully well paid job, and deserves every penny. What job do you have Plato?
*she
Yesterdays comment on something like the temptations of Lesbianism may have been a small clue
That poster (or some iteration thereof) once fretted no end about my gender - which I guess is a diversion from their tiresome posts about whether people are following their betting tips.....
Carlotta's avatar is actually Marie Dressler in Dinner at Eight!
If UKIP don't win this SYPCC, are the Tories value in Rochester again?
I don't see the two as particularly connected. This election is a reality check on UKIP's prospects against Labour in the north. I'm not sure it tells us very much about UKIP's prospects against the Conservatives in the south.
Agreed although I'd slightly qualify that by noting that with no LD candidate and a lot of people not voting and/or disapproving of party political candidates or voting because of the personal qualities of the Labour candidate extrapolating these figures is slightly more risky than usual.
Good Lord, what would it take for people in the area to vote against Labour in a PCC election if not this child abuse scandal
Well, considering that one of the allegations floating around was that community leaders would guarantee large block votes, to have a large postal ballot result must look just a touch dodgy?
An interesting and I may say very surprising development in South Yorkshire. It would seem the Ukip brand is nothing like as strong in the northern citadels as I thought. This may have implications for wagering. But it's hard to draw too many conclusions from such a deeply derisory turnout. It might be better for all involved if we abandoned the PCC polls. They haven't caught on.
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh · 1 min1 minute ago Lab source: "Farage sd he was putting his tanks on our lawn. We took Ukip on + won. Let's see if Cameron can do same in Rochester"
As spin lines go, this seems pretty reasonable to me.
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Is this another new group for UKIPers to hate? South Yorkshire voters? The list seems endless.
Combine that with the known propensity of older (aka tory) voters to actually go and vote and I would have thought that the tories could have rebalanced some of their electoral chances.
Was EdM really going to object to getting rid of easily abused voting systems? It would be PR gold-dust if he did.
Even better number crunch: *other parties put together* must lead @AlanBillingsPCC by 5,240 to take it to second round
Or just the usual smearing and innuendo that passes for political debate these days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People's_Republic_of_South_Yorkshire
The last thing I would want six months before the general election is my first actual exercise of power being that poisoned chalice with the eyes of the nations press on it.
The Secretary of the Writers' Union
Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?
It would be interesting to see how the second prefs break. Are these published if it doesnt go to these?
Are 2nd prefs counted automatically or will we never find out if Labour win outright?
https://twitter.com/Markfergusonuk/status/527955332270923778
This has been an example of very poor expectations management by UKIP.
To see how to do it properly, look at Nick P's posts!
/watch?v=07FdVcspOfQ
Could this be he pub with a pentangle next to a cemetery?
You could do if you were a complete f*cking idiot!
All we need now is a man with a placard saying The End Is Nigh. Where've they gone to? I haven't seen one in yrs.
Labour take Rotherham on first preferences.
Labour take Rotherham on first preferences
Labour take Rotherham on first preferences.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SarahChampionMP
Would be a sensation on Eastbourne prom walking among the pensioners.
Haven't seen the final Rotherham results but Labour may actually have increased their vote there.
I remember once derailing one of Mike's thread by posting about things in my kitchen and my favourite vegetables. That one got badly out of control.
PS - Thank you for the classic clip.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Elmers_End_station#mediaviewer/File:Elmers_End_stn_signage.JPG
Recount surely?
Close but no cigar for Farage. RT @Markfergusonuk: Labour wins Rotherham by 800 votes and avoids 2nd round of voting by 0.02%!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/
I rather liked discovering that Dull in Scotland is twinned with Boring in Oregon - or possibly the other way round.
Perhaps the locals want to change the name.
I doubt the standard is what might reasonably be the case.
@Beverley_C and shoes is much clearer as a piss take.
But it has been brought to my attention that one Kipper on this very board said that I was an establishment Tory and then said of Establishment Tories
"Establishment Tories and Establishment Labour have a symbiotic relationship - large numbers of their votes depend on a fear of the other.
So what neither want is the other to lose their heartland support.
And if that means thousands of children continue to be raped then that's deemed a price worth paying."
Pretty vile smear ain't it.
Of course I'll be able to find a post from you condemning such a vile smear.
George Eaton: Comfortable Labour victory over UKIP in South Yorkshire PCC election gives party neat contrast with Rochester.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Dressler
Those are my shoes.
Lab source: "Farage sd he was putting his tanks on our lawn. We took Ukip on + won. Let's see if Cameron can do same in Rochester"
As spin lines go, this seems pretty reasonable to me.