I have been meaning to ask for years-is that the train on Hythe pier across from Southampton??
Yes! Yes it is
Excellent! My Great grandfather lived in Dibdon Purlugh (Sp??) and I spent many happy summers in the 70,s fishing crabbing and generally mucking about in/on and under the pier
Per Twitter, Juncker declaring victory, claiming his job as Commission President
Correction, claiming the job for the _EPP_. This could be a cunning and devious plan where Katainen or someone else gets the job, the member states avoid giving up too much power to the voters and Juncker gets some other job he wants.
I have been meaning to ask for years-is that the train on Hythe pier across from Southampton??
Yes! Yes it is
Excellent! My Great grandfather lived in Dibdon Purlugh (Sp??) and I spent many happy summers in the 70,s fishing crabbing and generally mucking about in/on and under the pier
Dan Hannan is a personal of exceptional intellect -far more so than Nigel Farage (which I am sure Nigel would readily admit). But Nigel Farage is the one who is out there doing it. Dan Hannan is content to remain ornamental. It's his decision, but it's a shame.
I have been meaning to ask for years-is that the train on Hythe pier across from Southampton??
Yes! Yes it is
Excellent! My Great grandfather lived in Dibdon Purlugh (Sp??) and I spent many happy summers in the 70,s fishing crabbing and generally mucking about in/on and under the pier
I find him one of the finest, most principled political writers about. And he is very good at explaining European politics.
If pro-EU politicians were as articulate and persuasive as Dan Hannan in making their case for the EU as Hannan is in presenting the anti-viewpoint, then perhaps the citizens of Europe would believe in the EU more.
Hannan makes a very, very salient point, and one I tend to find persuasive, and that is that pro-EU figures appear to want to quash debate and smear EU-reformers rather than positively espouse its good points.
Hence the growing tide of European people voting against the establishment.
He votes in the European Parliament and occasionally votes "yes" to proposals.
None of these things are Eurosceptic acts. In fact, they are Europhilic acts.
Not really. One of the main reasons I hesitated in voting UKIP is because they reflexively vote "no" against almost all EU proposals. Whilst we're still an EU member - and votes are being taken within the European Parliament, on matters of shared competence, that directly affect the UK - it will occasionally be in the British national interest to vote "yes" to some proposals. For example, on a liberalising regulation in the common market, or to ensure the election of the least europhile candidate for a standing committee.
Also, if Dan Hannan hadn't been a Conservative MEP, the Conservatives would never left the arch-federalist EPP. He understands that this is a marathon, not a sprint.
Worth remembering that Vernon Bogdanor is a former council member of Britain in Europe and campaigned strongly for the UK to join the Single Currency. Not surprising that he is no fan of UKIP.
Thanks. I think that the Lib Dems and Labour would settle for that!!
It's a dire result for Labour and the LDs, only disguised by incredibly low expectations. Labour failing to win a nationwide election when they are the only opposition party to a Coalition?? The LDs under 8%?
It's also a bad poll for Cameron (and pitiful for the BNP - yay).
The only people to crow over a result like that would be the Greens, doing mildly well, and, of course, UKIP, who will have achieved the greatest electoral upset in maybe a century.
We do well to remember the epochal nature of a UKIP win. Just because we've got used to talking about it, doesn't make it any less revolutionary.
The greatest electoral upset of the century, so far, was in Scotland in 2011. Hopefully September will easily surpass that event.
Looks like the SNP are getting ready to ramp-up YES in the Independence Referendum if UKIP fail to take a seat in Scotland, but win big in the rest of the UK.
You've only just twigged that everything is a "Victory for Eck"?
They would have cheerfully ramped the reverse......
The BBC is following UK law on exit polls, isn't it, not EU law?
Dimbleby said quite clearly at the beginning of tonight's programme that exit polls cannot be revealed because of British law. Of course, that inconvenient fact doesn't stop the usual dimwitted suspects here ranting about it being another example of Britain obeying European law whilst everyone else ignores it. These same people then have the cheek to talk about "low information voters".
Looks like the SNP are getting ready to ramp-up YES in the Independence Referendum if UKIP fail to take a seat in Scotland, but win big in the rest of the UK.
You've only just twigged that everything is a "Victory for Eck"?
They would have cheerfully ramped the reverse......
Thanks. I think that the Lib Dems and Labour would settle for that!!
It's a dire result for Labour and the LDs, only disguised by incredibly low expectations. Labour failing to win a nationwide election when they are the only opposition party to a Coalition?? The LDs under 8%?
It's also a bad poll for Cameron (and pitiful for the BNP - yay).
The only people to crow over a result like that would be the Greens, doing mildly well, and, of course, UKIP, who will have achieved the greatest electoral upset in maybe a century.
We do well to remember the epochal nature of a UKIP win. Just because we've got used to talking about it, doesn't make it any less revolutionary.
The greatest electoral upset of the century, so far, was in Scotland in 2011. Hopefully September will easily surpass that event.
With all respect, Scotland is a country of 5m, and the Nat's victory was in a parliament barely 15 years old, and Scotland has yet to vote YES anyway.
A UKIP win in a nation of 64 million would utterly outrank the SNP victory of 2011 in terms of seismicity (is that a word?).
Yes, seismicity is indeed a word.
Though one would quibble about the 15 years old - as was made quite clear at the time, it was the old Parliament reconvened.
If you think an SF win is good for the people of Ireland I would suggest that you aren't in fact Irish, or perhaps a 'plastic' paddy, I cannot imagine anything worse.
Adams is a guilty of everything thrown at him, he is an archetypal 'evil' man in my opinion.
"So if (and I only say if) UKIP do win tonight, who do you think they would prefer to see come second?
Personally I think they would rather the Tories came second. It would go some way to defeating the idea that a UKIP vote would split the Right and so let Labour in whilst also putting a lot more pressure on Miliband to move towards a referendum pledge.
Thoughts?"
Lab/Con exactly the same would be nice and symbolic so 30/19/19 or something like that.
He votes in the European Parliament and occasionally votes "yes" to proposals.
None of these things are Eurosceptic acts. In fact, they are Europhilic acts.
Not really. One of the main reasons I hesitated in voting UKIP is because they reflexively vote "no" against almost all EU proposals. Whilst we're still an EU member - and votes are being taken within the European Parliament, on matters of shared competence, that directly affect the UK - it will occasionally be in the British national interest to vote "yes" to some proposals. For example, on a liberalising regulation in the common market, or to ensure the election of the least europhile candidate for a standing committee.
Also, if Dan Hannan hadn't been a Conservative MEP, the Conservatives would never left the arch-federalist EPP. He understands that this is a marathon, not a sprint.
I acknowledge that he is acting in what he believes to be the best interest of the UK and (for the sake of argument) let us stipulate that he is correct: that every "yes" vote is in our interest, and every "no" vote ditto, straight down the line. But that doesn't vitiate my point - specifically, that he is using the bodies of the European Union to achieve these virtuous acts and, by implication, acting as part of a European demos which he sincerely believes does and should not exist.
Was away all day at the London Wetland Centre, ...
I had no idea you were into that sort of thing. You must come down to our centre at Arundel. It is a bit of a long walk from the station but I'll pick you up. I'll even throw in lunch at the Black Rabbit. Can't say fairer than that.
He votes in the European Parliament and occasionally votes "yes" to proposals.
None of these things are Eurosceptic acts. In fact, they are Europhilic acts.
Not really. One of the main reasons I hesitated in voting UKIP is because they reflexively vote "no" against almost all EU proposals. Whilst we're still an EU member - and votes are being taken within the European Parliament, on matters of shared competence, that directly affect the UK - it will occasionally be in the British national interest to vote "yes" to some proposals. For example, on a liberalising regulation in the common market, or to ensure the election of the least europhile candidate for a standing committee.
Also, if Dan Hannan hadn't been a Conservative MEP, the Conservatives would never left the arch-federalist EPP. He understands that this is a marathon, not a sprint.
I acknowledge that he is acting in what he believes to be the best interest of the UK and (for the sake of argument) let us stipulate that he is correct: that every "yes" vote is in our interest, and every "no" vote ditto, straight down the line. But that doesn't vitiate my point - specifically, that he is using the bodies of the European Union to achieve these virtuous acts and, by implication, acting as part of a European demos which he sincerely believes does and should not exist.
Err, ok. We're dancing on pins here. I don't care what mechanism is used to get the UK out of the EU. I just want it (a) to happen and (b) as soon as possible. I'm open to persuasion on the right approach and tactics for that. So far, Hannan has persuaded me he has a more sensible approach to achieve that than UKIP, whilst safely guarding the UK's interests in the meantime.
Twitter Swivel Eyed Broon @Mr_Mark_Brown 1m Edinburgh: BNP 676 Britain 1st 1035 Greens 22,836 Labour 32,758 Lib Dem 12,575 No2EU 548 Tories 27,554 SNP 32,721 UKIP 10,992 #EP2014
David Mundell MP @DavidMundellMP 7m @ScotTories top poll in Dumfries & Galloway #europeanelections vote with both increased vote and vote share. Well done team
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UKIP
30.0 %
Lab.
26.0 %
Cons.
22.8 %
LDP
7.8 %
GP
6.7 %
BNP
1.0 %
http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article128334816/Europagegner-von-Ukip-triumphieren-auf-der-Insel.html
I have been meaning to ask for years-is that the train on Hythe pier across from Southampton??
Yes! Yes it is
Excellent!
My Great grandfather lived in Dibdon Purlugh (Sp??) and I spent many happy summers in the 70,s fishing crabbing and generally mucking about in/on and under the pier
Across Wales Labour and UKIP look to have 1 seat each, then a tight contest between Conservatives, Plaid and 2nd UKIP seat for other 2 seats
“@JeremyCliffe: Die Welt (based on survey) have UKIP on 30% and 24 seats, Labour on 26% and 22 seats. http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article128334816/Europagegner-von-Ukip-triumphieren-auf-der-Insel.html …” < Big UKIP win
I'm still biting my nails, though.
Excellent!
My Great grandfather lived in Dibdon Purlugh (Sp??) and I spent many happy summers in the 70,s fishing crabbing and generally mucking about in/on and under the pier
Dibden Purlieu is my childhood home
#EP2014 'Die Welt' exit poll: UKIP - 30% LAB - 26% CON - 23% LDEM - 8% GRN - 7%
Yes 21% (+3)
No 64% (-6)
My Great grandfather lived in Dibdon Purlugh (Sp??) and I spent many happy summers in the 70,s fishing crabbing and generally mucking about in/on and under the pier
Dibden Purlieu is my childhood home
I always knew you were made of fine stuff!!
25/22/17/1/2
Anything interesting happening tonight?
Also, if Dan Hannan hadn't been a Conservative MEP, the Conservatives would never left the arch-federalist EPP. He understands that this is a marathon, not a sprint.
Good result for Labour if true.
UKIP
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Because this will be the most fun result.
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Others in any order
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Con
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They would have cheerfully ramped the reverse......
Leaving the LibDems off (apologies to our host) the list was quite deliberate and nothing to do with the Jack Daniels I have been drinking.
But glad you all noticed. It was after all a wishlist.
Dimbleby said quite clearly at the beginning of tonight's programme that exit polls cannot be revealed because of British law. Of course, that inconvenient fact doesn't stop the usual dimwitted suspects here ranting about it being another example of Britain obeying European law whilst everyone else ignores it. These same people then have the cheek to talk about "low information voters".
Other than that I still think it is still too early to say. Other than the Lib Dems of course.
Taken together with Dublin West's Socialist victory-backed from 15-8 to 1-3 with PP-Eire has had enough of austerity and a Sinn Fein government is no longer a pipe-dream.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/adams-dismisses-suggestion-sinn-féin-could-go-into-coalition-with-fine-gael-1.1808707?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
The German press don't have news of a UK exit poll which we're not reporting. No-one has done an exit poll.
The question I'd ask is why are we getting UK EP exit polls from German newspapers at all?
Though one would quibble about the 15 years old - as was made quite clear at the time, it was the old Parliament reconvened.
Adams is a guilty of everything thrown at him, he is an archetypal 'evil' man in my opinion.
"So if (and I only say if) UKIP do win tonight, who do you think they would prefer to see come second?
Personally I think they would rather the Tories came second. It would go some way to defeating the idea that a UKIP vote would split the Right and so let Labour in whilst also putting a lot more pressure on Miliband to move towards a referendum pledge.
Thoughts?"
Lab/Con exactly the same would be nice and symbolic so 30/19/19 or something like that.
SF by far largest party on the new expanded Belfast City Council - 19 seats out of 60. DUP 2nd with 13.
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With all respect, Scotland is a country of 5m, and the Nat's victory was in a parliament barely 15 years old, and Scotland has yet to vote YES anyway.
A UKIP win in a nation of 64 million would utterly outrank the SNP victory of 2011 in terms of seismicity (is that a word?).
Disagree. The SNP won a majority in a system of voting designed to give no party an overall majority.
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft 42m
@georgeeaton Ignore them. I am not releasing an exit poll.
Is Sky any better?
PD 33%
M5S 26.5%
Forza Italia 18%
Lega 6%
Tsipras 4.2%
NCD 4%
Fd’I 3.8
SYRIZA 26.7%
ND 22.8%
GD 9.3%
PASOK 8.1%
Potami 6.7%
KKE 6%
IndGreeks 3.4%
FN 25,4%
UMP 21%
PS 14,5%
UDI-MoDem 10,3%
EELV 9,4%
FdG 6,5%
Swivel Eyed Broon @Mr_Mark_Brown 1m
Edinburgh: BNP 676 Britain 1st 1035 Greens 22,836 Labour 32,758 Lib Dem 12,575 No2EU 548 Tories 27,554 SNP 32,721 UKIP 10,992 #EP2014
David Mundell MP @DavidMundellMP 7m
@ScotTories top poll in Dumfries & Galloway #europeanelections vote with both increased vote and vote share. Well done team
VOTOS POR PARTIDOS EN TOTAL ESPAÑA
PARTIDO ESCAÑOS VOTOS
PP 16 4009395 26.04 %
PSOE 14 3545702 23.03 %
LA IZQUIERDA PLURAL 6 1538621 9.99 %
PODEMOS 5 1223404 7.94 %
UPYD 4 997174 6.47 %
CEU 3 839562 5.45 %
UKIP wins Kettering with 36% and Poole with 39%
Absolutely right!