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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    marke09 said:

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 45s

    As a long evening begins, content yourselves with the knowledge this is the last time we'll all have to bother with these Ukip morons...

    Another classic prediction
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,953
    marke09 said:

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 45s

    As a long evening begins, content yourselves with the knowledge this is the last time we'll all have to bother with these Ukip morons...

    I get the impression Dan doesn't like kippers.

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821
    AndyJS said:

    DIMBLEBY ON BBC NEWS CHANNEL NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I don't think I've ever been that excited to see David Dimbleby.

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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Projection from SVT: UKIP heading for 24 MEPs
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,342
    SeanT said:

    If Labour ARE third, and UKIP first, that really is rather seismic.

    But as yet I find it very hard to believe.

    Agreed, the notion sounds preposterous. But perhaps the electorate have got a bit of savvy and have decided to give the pro-EU parties a real good thrashing.
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Just got a tip that the GREENS are heading for a cracking night.

    As Mike has the balls to get his bets out in the open I must confess I have a decent sum on the Greens under 8% at 5/6, so I hope you are wrong.
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    Swiss_BobSwiss_Bob Posts: 619
    Watching on Sky as the lesser of two evils, will switch to the BBC if UKIP are romping it for the giggles.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,044
    If Labour finish 3rd it wouldn't shock me, the turnout in my area as I've said before was utterly abysmal - strong Labour area, no locals. Labour voters just don't get out of bed for the Euros only.

    The only thing that might save their vote overall is the fact that locals were generally held in decentish Labour areas.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    As usual the British playing by the rules while everyone else releases exit poll data.
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    51% turnout in Sweden.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Just 13% (!!) turnout in Slovakia.

    That's because Slovakian candidates are all implants.
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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323

    marke09 said:

    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 1m

    European Parliament website: election turnout estimated at 43.11%

    Very interesting. Is that a record?
    SeanT said:

    That turnout figure for the EU elex is actually an increase, I believe, on the last EU election. First time it's gone up in decades.

    According to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27462683 it would be almost the same as five years ago, halting a long term decline.
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    taffys said:

    Great article by Dan Hannan over at Coffee House.


    Probably why he's a million miles away from power in the conservative party

    He is one of the few reasons I would vote Con in an European election.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I'm going to stick my neck out and say UKIP will come top in Wales.

    I think all those Labour voters in the valleys will have decided to say "sod you" to the established parties.
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557

    Just got a tip that the GREENS are heading for a cracking night.

    As Mike has the balls to get his bets out in the open I must confess I have a decent sum on the Greens under 8% at 5/6, so I hope you are wrong.
    My source may have been getting a tad overexcited ;)
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    Swiss_BobSwiss_Bob Posts: 619
    edited May 2014
    If Labour finish third, Miliband (Ed) is dead.

    I do not believe this will happen.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Crazy that the mainstream media cant talk about the polls we already know...
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    What a farce that mainstream outlets in europe are publishing exit polls which the BBC now discuss without using any numbers until 10pm.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    35% turnout in Aylesbury Vale - down on 2009 when there were County Council elections at the same time.
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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323

    Just got a tip that the GREENS are heading for a cracking night.

    As Mike has the balls to get his bets out in the open I must confess I have a decent sum on the Greens under 8% at 5/6, so I hope you are wrong.
    My source may have been getting a tad overexcited ;)
    The Greens have almost complete freedom to declare it a good night. I doubt anyone even remembers what they got last time; if they lose to the LibDems that's fine and in they beat them they have another reason to celebrate.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821


    taffys said:

    Great article by Dan Hannan over at Coffee House.


    Probably why he's a million miles away from power in the conservative party

    He is one of the few reasons I would vote Con in an European election.
    If it were an open list, and I could only pick a single candidate to vote for, it would be Hannan over Farage every time.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,044
    maaarsh said:

    What a farce that mainstream outlets in europe are publishing exit polls which the BBC now discuss without using any numbers until 10pm.

    Its how Europe works. Britain follows the rules. We always follow the fucking rules.

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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Lots of hint hint nudge nudge from the beeboids
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821
    Grandiose said:

    marke09 said:

    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 1m

    European Parliament website: election turnout estimated at 43.11%

    Very interesting. Is that a record?
    SeanT said:

    That turnout figure for the EU elex is actually an increase, I believe, on the last EU election. First time it's gone up in decades.

    According to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27462683 it would be almost the same as five years ago, halting a long term decline.
    Thanks. I thought it was referring to UK turnout.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,033
    Mr. Bob, I must disagree. Miliband would only go if something incredible happened. Third would be very bad but not enough for his demise.

    Mr. Slackbladder, Mr. Maaaarsh, it's faintly ridiculous.
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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    maaarsh said:

    What a farce that mainstream outlets in europe are publishing exit polls which the BBC now discuss without using any numbers until 10pm.

    Is it 10PM our time though? Haven't polls closed across Europe since they're on BST+1?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,044
    "The chatter from the parties" loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,045


    taffys said:

    Great article by Dan Hannan over at Coffee House.


    Probably why he's a million miles away from power in the conservative party

    He is one of the few reasons I would vote Con in an European election.
    Dan Hannan is a tw*t and will always be - that's why he's a nobody is the world of politics.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pro-European Professor Vernon Bogdanor looking on grim-faced in the BBC election studio.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Grandiose said:

    maaarsh said:

    What a farce that mainstream outlets in europe are publishing exit polls which the BBC now discuss without using any numbers until 10pm.

    Is it 10PM our time though? Haven't polls closed across Europe since they're on BST+1?
    Its our time...
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821
    AndyJS said:

    I'm going to stick my neck out and say UKIP will come top in Wales.

    I think all those Labour voters in the valleys will have decided to say "sod you" to the established parties.

    If that's so in Wales, perhaps UKIP are in with a shout of an MEP in Scotland?
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    Interestingly, the BBC have clearly received legal advice that the publication of any exit poll, not merely one relating to how people voted in the United Kingdom, is unlawful until the close of poll. The regulations should be amended forthwith if this is the true construction. It leads to the absurd position whereby voting has closed in the UK three days ago, but the British state broadcaster can't report exit polls from other countries.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Hello Professor on BBC ;)
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Last region to declare will be Western Isles of Scotland who wont count unitl tomorrow as they observing the Sabbath
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    AveryLP said:

    Just 13% (!!) turnout in Slovakia.

    That's because Slovakian candidates are all implants.
    And the guest house proprietors are ex-MPs...
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    AndyJS said:

    Pro-European Professor Vernon Bogdanor looking on grim-faced in the BBC election studio.

    He's part of a classic well balanced BBC panel, giving even and fair representation to 30% of the UK population.

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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,033


    taffys said:

    Great article by Dan Hannan over at Coffee House.


    Probably why he's a million miles away from power in the conservative party

    He is one of the few reasons I would vote Con in an European election.
    If it were an open list, and I could only pick a single candidate to vote for, it would be Hannan over Farage every time.
    That's basically what stopped me voting UKIP last time.

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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    AndyJS said:

    I'm going to stick my neck out and say UKIP will come top in Wales.

    I think all those Labour voters in the valleys will have decided to say "sod you" to the established parties.

    2 Kippers in Wales then, assuming Plaid have tanked...
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    Swiss_BobSwiss_Bob Posts: 619

    Mr. Bob, I must disagree. Miliband would only go if something incredible happened. Third would be very bad but not enough for his demise.

    Mr. Slackbladder, Mr. Maaaarsh, it's faintly ridiculous.

    Mr Dancer, they are printing articles in the Washington Post about how weird Miliband (Ed) is.

    If I see that result I will put a bet on that he will be gone by the end of the year, more likely the next time the Labour party has an opportunity to get rid of him, whenever that is (I am not that well informed as to when that might be).

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    FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    murali_s said:


    taffys said:

    Great article by Dan Hannan over at Coffee House.


    Probably why he's a million miles away from power in the conservative party

    He is one of the few reasons I would vote Con in an European election.
    Dan Hannan is a tw*t and will always be - that's why he's a nobody is the world of politics.
    A typically eloquent comment from a rattled Labour supporter.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tories are currently 130 with Betfair to win most seats. Anyone tempted?

    http://beta.betfair.com/politics/market?id=1.111931148
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    sounds from what Mr Dimbleby has said we will get results immediatley after 10
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821
    murali_s said:


    taffys said:

    Great article by Dan Hannan over at Coffee House.


    Probably why he's a million miles away from power in the conservative party

    He is one of the few reasons I would vote Con in an European election.
    Dan Hannan is a tw*t and will always be - that's why he's a nobody is the world of politics.
    That's uncalled for. Dan is someone I know personally (I've gone campaigning with him in the past, the two of us in my car) He is a thoroughly decent guy.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    I'm going to stick my neck out and say UKIP will come top in Wales.

    I think all those Labour voters in the valleys will have decided to say "sod you" to the established parties.

    If that's so in Wales, perhaps UKIP are in with a shout of an MEP in Scotland?
    All the polls were showing a tight race between Con and UKIP in Scotland, although I think they could both win a seat.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,044
    Jeremy Vine has the 'Ave it' political map of Britain up now.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,044
    AndyJS said:

    Tories are currently 130 with Betfair to win most seats. Anyone tempted?

    http://beta.betfair.com/politics/market?id=1.111931148

    No.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,161
    Per Twitter, Juncker declaring victory, claiming his job as Commission President
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    AndyJS said:

    Pro-European Professor Vernon Bogdanor looking on grim-faced in the BBC election studio.

    Never was a big fan of his views on the fall of the Liberal party.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,033
    Mr. Bob, could be wrong, but I think it *could* theoretically occur at the party conference around September. Cannot believe it will happen.
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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078


    Britain Elects 2014 ‏@britainelects 9m
    #EP2014 'Die Welt' exit poll projection:
    UKIP - 24 MEPs
    Labour - 22
    Con - 17
    Green - 6
    Lib Dem - 2
    SNP - 3
    PC - 1
    SF - 1
    DUP 1
    UUP 1

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,953

    Lots of hint hint nudge nudge from the beeboids

    About?

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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    GIN1138 said:

    Lots of hint hint nudge nudge from the beeboids

    About?

    About the french results
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    I'm going to stick my neck out and say UKIP will come top in Wales.

    I think all those Labour voters in the valleys will have decided to say "sod you" to the established parties.

    If that's so in Wales, perhaps UKIP are in with a shout of an MEP in Scotland?
    All the polls were showing a tight race between Con and UKIP in Scotland, although I think they could both win a seat.
    It's not a laughing matter for me (as a unionist) but there would be something perversely humorous if the United Kingdom Independence Party won its 1st MEP in Scotland, less than four months before Scotland voted for independence from the United Kingdom.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,953

    GIN1138 said:

    Lots of hint hint nudge nudge from the beeboids

    About?

    About the french results
    Oh!

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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Britain Elects 2014 ‏@britainelects 43s

    Turnout in the NORTH EAST: 31%
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Welsh Tory MEP Kay Swinburne says she thinks it will be 1 seat for each party like in 2009
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    If it were an open list, and I could only pick a single candidate to vote for, it would be Hannan over Farage every time.


    Quite right.

    Before I voted I checked the results from last time, the polls and localy factors (we are in a UKIP "stronghold") and tried to work out which MEP my vote might actually affect.
    Farage and Hannan were #1 so were going to get in regardless -my vote is really only important in a marginal sense at 3/4/5 at that point the UKIP candidates looked decidedly iffy and so I voted Con on the basis that the the like for like candidate Con V UKIP were better.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Mike going to blow his gasket over dimbleby and him talking about ukip...
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    SkyNewsElections ‏@skyelections 2m

    European Parliament estimates turnout in the UK was 36%, up from 34.7% at the last European Parliament polls in 2009.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,044



    Britain Elects 2014 ‏@britainelects 9m
    #EP2014 'Die Welt' exit poll projection:
    UKIP - 24 MEPs
    Labour - 22
    Con - 17
    Green - 6
    Lib Dem - 2
    SNP - 3
    PC - 1
    SF - 1
    DUP 1
    UUP 1

    If that is the result then its good for Nige, ok for Ed and not great for Dave.
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,045
    edited May 2014

    murali_s said:


    taffys said:

    Great article by Dan Hannan over at Coffee House.


    Probably why he's a million miles away from power in the conservative party

    He is one of the few reasons I would vote Con in an European election.
    Dan Hannan is a tw*t and will always be - that's why he's a nobody is the world of politics.
    That's uncalled for. Dan is someone I know personally (I've gone campaigning with him in the past, the two of us in my car) He is a thoroughly decent guy.

    Sorry if you think that was uncalled for. However Dan Hannon is someone who admires Enoch Powell. You will obviously understand as a member of an ethnic minority community, I despise Enoch Powell and all that he stood for. Since Enoch Powell is Dan Hannon's hero I will have to pass on your "thoroughly decent guy" label and paint him out to a sympathiser of someone who was racist bigot.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Turnout in scotland higher... Interesting
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821
    Looks like the SNP are getting ready to ramp-up YES in the Independence Referendum if UKIP fail to take a seat in Scotland, but win big in the rest of the UK.
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    Swiss_BobSwiss_Bob Posts: 619
    Dan Hannan makes a good speech, I have the feeling his rhetoric does not match his actions.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,987
    The BBC is following UK law on exit polls, isn't it, not EU law?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    Twitter — UKIP claiming to have won around 50% of votes in gritty north-east Wales district of Delyn.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821
    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:


    taffys said:

    Great article by Dan Hannan over at Coffee House.


    Probably why he's a million miles away from power in the conservative party

    He is one of the few reasons I would vote Con in an European election.
    Dan Hannan is a tw*t and will always be - that's why he's a nobody is the world of politics.
    That's uncalled for. Dan is someone I know personally (I've gone campaigning with him in the past, the two of us in my car) He is a thoroughly decent guy.

    Sorry if you think that was uncalled for. However Dan Hannon is someone who admires Enoch Powell. You will obviously understand as a member of an ethnic minority community, I despise Enoch Powell and all that he stood for. Since Enoch Powell is Dan Hannon's hero I will have to pass on your "thoroughly decent guy" label and paint him out to a sympathiser of someone who was racist bigot.
    That says a lot more about you than it does him.
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    murali_s said:


    taffys said:

    Great article by Dan Hannan over at Coffee House.


    Probably why he's a million miles away from power in the conservative party

    He is one of the few reasons I would vote Con in an European election.
    Dan Hannan is a tw*t and will always be - that's why he's a nobody is the world of politics.
    That's uncalled for. Dan is someone I know personally (I've gone campaigning with him in the past, the two of us in my car) He is a thoroughly decent guy.

    AGREED and someone who will actually answers a question how he sees it NOT how he thinks you want to hear it.
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    David Taylor @david_taylor · 7m
    Am told Lib Dems are in fifth place in Cardiff Central, the parliamentary seat they hold #europeanelections
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,465

    Mr. Dawning, I must say I think that's a bit silly. It's very hard to see anything political causing Ed Miliband's downfall.

    Yes. It's the old two-part question: Is Ed crap? Is anyone else available obviously better? You need two yesses before we can get serious about challenges.
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    The BBC is following UK law on exit polls, isn't it, not EU law?

    Yes.

    EU law is against actual revealing of the results iirc.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,044
    I do hope the Lib Dems do get 2 seats. Will add to the winning pot.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    AndyJS said:

    I'm going to stick my neck out and say UKIP will come top in Wales.

    I think all those Labour voters in the valleys will have decided to say "sod you" to the established parties.

    The people of the valleys saying "sod you" to Labour? Seems very unlikely to me. If they do that for the Euros then they might start asking why they have crap education and health services and who is responsible. They might start asking why after decades of Labour councils they still seem to be getting the shitty end of the stick. Who knows where that sort of questioning might lead.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,044
    McPoison montage on Beeb.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,987

    Turnout in scotland higher... Interesting

    It is in Catalonia too.

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    Swiss_BobSwiss_Bob Posts: 619
    If Hannan was serious in his views he would join UKIP, be on the front bench and trying to make it a serious contender. Instead he's happy to sit on the back benches and make the occasional speech.

    On a personal level he comes across very well and I'm sure he is a very nice person to be around.
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    No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,887

    PB is just superb on a big election night. I love it!!

    :-D Big time!

    I'm as giddy as a schoolboy. My wife is perplexed and nonchalant, but has left me in peace to "enjoy myself".
    Did she mis-hear you when you said "election" ? ;-)

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,044
    God I do hope the BNP lose all their seats.
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    corporeal said:

    David Taylor @david_taylor · 7m
    Am told Lib Dems are in fifth place in Cardiff Central, the parliamentary seat they hold #europeanelections

    Not surprising. The SLDs had some horrific results in 2011 in some of their Westminster seats.

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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Apparently the count in Neath Port Talbot has just started
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    'Low' turnout in North East, 31%
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,408
    David Torrance ‏@davidtorrance 5 mins
    Chat at Edinburgh count is that SNP has (just) managed a 3rd MEP, something accepted by other parties. Caveat: might be wrong... #EP2014

    Alan Roden ‏@AlanRoden 2 mins
    I'm hearing the Greens have done well in Edinburgh and Glasgow. #EPScot
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Carmarthen Journal ‏@Carmjournal 59s

    Rumour mill in full swing on election night. Indications are that Plaid have won Carmarthenshire, and UKIP may have knocked Labour into 3rd.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713

    David Torrance ‏@davidtorrance 5 mins
    Chat at Edinburgh count is that SNP has (just) managed a 3rd MEP, something accepted by other parties. Caveat: might be wrong... #EP2014

    Alan Roden ‏@AlanRoden 2 mins
    I'm hearing the Greens have done well in Edinburgh and Glasgow. #EPScot

    Wow labour failng in its heartlands and strongholds
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,045
    SeanT said:



    murali_s said:


    taffys said:

    Great article by Dan Hannan over at Coffee House.


    Probably why he's a million miles away from power in the conservative party

    He is one of the few reasons I would vote Con in an European election.
    Dan Hannan is a tw*t and will always be - that's why he's a nobody is the world of politics.
    That's uncalled for. Dan is someone I know personally (I've gone campaigning with him in the past, the two of us in my car) He is a thoroughly decent guy.

    AGREED and someone who will actually answers a question how he sees it NOT how he thinks you want to hear it.
    He is also personally gracious about opponents. I remember, distinctly, a very nice essay he wrote about the essential decency of Nick Clegg, when Clegg was elected, despite the two of them disagreeing on almost everything.

    Murali s, by contrast, is a bigoted, ill-informed, snivelling little git.
    Thank you SeanT - very gracious of you.
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    Mike going to blow his gasket over dimbleby and him talking about ukip...

    Slack

    I have been meaning to ask for years-is that the train on Hythe pier across from Southampton??
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557

    Turnout in scotland higher... Interesting

    Not a surprise. The party GOTV machines are having a trial run for September.
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Carmarthen Journal ‏@Carmjournal 39s

    In Ceredigion the Lib Dems, who hold the Westminster seat, may finish 4th behind Plaid, UKIP and Labour (in that order).
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713

    Mike going to blow his gasket over dimbleby and him talking about ukip...

    Slack

    I have been meaning to ask for years-is that the train on Hythe pier across from Southampton??
    Yes! Yes it is :)
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,199
    Fenster said:

    Great article by Dan Hannan over at Coffee House.

    I find him one of the finest, most principled political writers about. And he is very good at explaining European politics.

    If pro-EU politicians were as articulate and persuasive as Dan Hannan in making their case for the EU as Hannan is in presenting the anti-viewpoint, then perhaps the citizens of Europe would believe in the EU more.

    Hannan makes a very, very salient point, and one I tend to find persuasive, and that is that pro-EU figures appear to want to quash debate and smear EU-reformers rather than positively espouse its good points.

    Hence the growing tide of European people voting against the establishment.

    If I may join the loyal opposition for a moment. Dan is the founding secretary of the AECR. He is a MEP. He believes that national political parties should act in concert across national boundaries in the European Parliament to achieve political aims. He stands for a party that doesn't plan to leave the EU and deprecates a party that does plan to leave the EU. He votes in the European Parliament and occasionally votes "yes" to proposals.

    None of these things are Eurosceptic acts. In fact, they are Europhilic acts.

    I know he sincerely and passionately deprecates the EU at every opportunity. But if a plastic surgeon created a society of plastic surgeons, joined the union of plastic surgeons, made his living from plastic surgery, performed plastic surgery frequently, then told you he thought plastic surgery was immoral and disgusting, you'd be entitled to think "hold on a minute".

    Dan Hannan telling you he is Eurosceptic is as inherently problematic as Rob Liddle telling you he is fed up with the metropolitan elite. Both are examples of the problem, not the cures
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821
    SeanT said:



    murali_s said:


    taffys said:

    Great article by Dan Hannan over at Coffee House.


    Probably why he's a million miles away from power in the conservative party

    He is one of the few reasons I would vote Con in an European election.
    Dan Hannan is a tw*t and will always be - that's why he's a nobody is the world of politics.
    That's uncalled for. Dan is someone I know personally (I've gone campaigning with him in the past, the two of us in my car) He is a thoroughly decent guy.

    AGREED and someone who will actually answers a question how he sees it NOT how he thinks you want to hear it.
    He is also personally gracious about opponents. I remember, distinctly, a very nice essay he wrote about the essential decency of Nick Clegg, when Clegg was elected, despite the two of them disagreeing on almost everything.

    Murali s, by contrast, is a bigoted, ill-informed, snivelling little git.
    Spot on Sean. He also thinks Caroline Lucas is (and I quote) "an absolute brick". The two don't agree on much, but do respect each other. They have a good relationship from their time campaigning against British membership of the Euro together in the 00s.

    I have never heard him say a rude word about anyone.
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    pinkrosepinkrose Posts: 189
    Die Welt UK Exit poll are reporting UKIP on 30% and Labour on 26%.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    marke09 said:

    Apparently the count in Neath Port Talbot has just started

    RodCrosby said:

    'Low' turnout in North East, 31%

    Good for UKIP, you'd think.
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    SeanT said:

    murali_s said:


    taffys said:

    Great article by Dan Hannan over at Coffee House.


    Probably why he's a million miles away from power in the conservative party

    He is one of the few reasons I would vote Con in an European election.
    Dan Hannan is a tw*t and will always be - that's why he's a nobody is the world of politics.
    That's uncalled for. Dan is someone I know personally (I've gone campaigning with him in the past, the two of us in my car) He is a thoroughly decent guy.

    Quite agree. Juvenile dribble from murali. Dan Hannan is an excellent orator - e.g. this is arguably one of the finest and sharpest short speeches made by a British politician in living memory.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs

    He is also an eloquent, influential journalist and an intriguing, original thinker. Many on the left dislike him because he is smarter than them.
    Agreed. I wish DH was in Westminster.
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    Turnout in scotland higher... Interesting

    Not a surprise. The party GOTV machines are having a trial run for September.
    And are you pleased with the results-and try to be impartial-this is a betting site :)

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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    EP PROJECTION
    (2009 in brackets)

    GUE/NGL 47 (35)
    S&D 193 (195)
    G/EFA 58 (58)
    ALDE 74 (83)
    EPP 211 (274)
    ECR 39 (57)
    EFD 33 (31)
    oth 96 (32)
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    Swiss_BobSwiss_Bob Posts: 619
    viewcode said:

    Fenster said:

    Great article by Dan Hannan over at Coffee House.

    I find him one of the finest, most principled political writers about. And he is very good at explaining European politics.

    If pro-EU politicians were as articulate and persuasive as Dan Hannan in making their case for the EU as Hannan is in presenting the anti-viewpoint, then perhaps the citizens of Europe would believe in the EU more.

    Hannan makes a very, very salient point, and one I tend to find persuasive, and that is that pro-EU figures appear to want to quash debate and smear EU-reformers rather than positively espouse its good points.

    Hence the growing tide of European people voting against the establishment.

    If I may join the loyal opposition for a moment. Dan is the founding secretary of the AECR. He is a MEP. He believes that national political parties should act in concert across national boundaries in the European Parliament to achieve political aims. He stands for a party that doesn't plan to leave the EU and deprecates a party that does plan to leave the EU. He votes in the European Parliament and occasionally votes "yes" to proposals.

    None of these things are Eurosceptic acts. In fact, they are Europhilic acts.

    I know he sincerely and passionately deprecates the EU at every opportunity. But if a plastic surgeon created a society of plastic surgeons, joined the union of plastic surgeons, made his living from plastic surgery, performed plastic surgery frequently, then told you he thought plastic surgery was immoral and disgusting, you'd be entitled to think "hold on a minute".

    Dan Hannan telling you he is Eurosceptic is as inherently problematic as Rob Liddle telling you he is fed up with the metropolitan elite. Both are examples of the problem, not the cures
    Far more eloquent than I am but this is Hannan to a tee.

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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    marke09 said:

    Carmarthen Journal ‏@Carmjournal 39s

    In Ceredigion the Lib Dems, who hold the Westminster seat, may finish 4th behind Plaid, UKIP and Labour (in that order).

    What was Shadsy's Plaid price in Ceredigion?
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    DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 712
    edited May 2014
    Evening all, the Electionista Twitter feed will have all the key news from Europe:

    https://twitter.com/electionista

    Eurosceptics win in France (FN) and Denmark (DPP) - Syriza leading Greek exit polls.

    UK t/o estimated at 36%, was under 20% in Czech Rep & Slovakia.

    Poroshenko wins Ukraine presidency in Rd 1, according to exits.

    Thx,

    DC
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