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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254
    antifrank said:

    surbiton said:

    Greens finish FIRST in Norwich City Council. 219 votes ahead of Labour.

    I tipped the Greens to win Norwich South at 25/1 a couple of weeks ago, to widespread polite scepticism. You can still get them at that price with Paddy Power. It's a bargain.

    I like this bet, am on for the max (@£3,84) P Power is allowing me.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    France exit poll

    Front National 25.3
    UMP 20.3
    Socialists 14.7
    UDi/Modem 10
    Greens 8.7
    Left Front 6.6
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    AveryLP said:

    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.

    LOL
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254
    Cons out to 130-1 on Betfair now
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    AveryLP said:

    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.

    60% surely?

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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    SNIP

    That analysis runs counter to the fairy stories we are regularly peddled here at PB about the LD incumbency effect.

    But it was not my analysis Jack, it was John Curtice's analysis today:

    Curtice is usually a respected voice here at PB. Strange that you become so dismissive of him when he says something you do not agree with.
    For the avoidance of any doubt, here are John Curtice's exact words today:
    ... it was difficult to find a silver lining to the cloud hanging over the Liberal Democrats. Once the local elections were the party’s forte; now they have become an annual embarrassment.

    The party argued – not for the first time – that it was often performing better in places where it already has a sitting MP and thus has a strong base of local support. Indeed, there was the occasional bright spot – the party actually did better than in the 2010 general election in Bradford East and Birmingham Yardley. But there were plenty of disappointments too, not least the fact that the party came second to the Conservatives in Vince Cable’s Twickenham constituency and lost control of Ed Davey’s Kingston backyard.

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/john-curtice-ukip-vote-not-as-good-as-last-year-1-3421612
    It appears you are being more than just aimlessly stupid today.

    Your first post on this matter made the clear implication that LibDem MP's would not enjoy any "fairy story incumbency" as noted often on PB and that Prof Curtice supported this view.

    He did not and how could he as it is axiomatic that none of the elections related to constituency MP's. What Prof Curtice did note was that in many council seats there was little or no difference between those with LibDem MP's or not and that next year would see if actual LibDem MP stickability was in play or not.

    I agree.

    John Curtice: - "Consequently, on average Liberal Democrat support was down just as much – that is, by no less than 13 points – in Liberal Democrat MPs’ constituencies as elsewhere. In short, there was little consistent sign of the ability of Liberal Democrats’ personal popularity to stem the receding tide. And next year their own seats will be on the line."

    Looks crystal clear to me Jack. You must be reading a different article.

    I agree with Stuart here. Ed Davey is quite a respected MP. The Liberals lost 13% in Kingston. From 43% to 30%. Tories also fell: from 40% to 39%.

    Of course, Labour and the Greens gained. UKIP too but they were not here in 2010.
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    Quincel said:

    I think we're all underestimating the other others. Last time around the English Democrats got almost 2%, Christian Voice got over 1% as did the Socialist Labour party and a couple of others (if memory serves).

    Agreed.

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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Constitutional Court declared the threshold invalid a few months ago. I think the ruling affectd only EU elections
    MaxU said:

    Germany projections

    CDU 35.9
    SPD 27.2
    Greens 10.8
    Linke 7.5
    AfD 6.8
    FDP 3.1

    there's no threshold anymore...so everybody will get seats..even parties at 1% as they use a big single constituency

    When did they abolish the threshold? Very surprising as arguably the lack of a threshold was the Weimar electoral system's biggest fault. Does that apply to Bundestag elections as well?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254
    £173 wanting to back UKIP at 1.23, barely any cash wanting to lay except at sub 1.1
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    So much for this so-called 10pm embargo...

    Once again it seem the UK is the only country playing by EU rules.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713

    France exit poll

    Front National 25.3
    UMP 20.3
    Socialists 14.7
    UDi/Modem 10
    Greens 8.7
    Left Front 6.6

    Wow, thats really awful for hollande.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,035

    AveryLP said:

    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.

    60% surely?

    Let's be honest, every non-UKIP vote is another nail in Farage's coffin. That there are dissenting voters in 'home turf' elections for him says it all.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.

    60% surely?

    You are muddling the Euros with Newark, aD.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,155
    Dr. Parma, how significant would a Front National win be, and will any other similar parties have hopes of winning most votes in their own countries?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,270

    France exit poll

    Front National 25.3
    UMP 20.3
    Socialists 14.7
    UDi/Modem 10
    Greens 8.7
    Left Front 6.6

    Wow, thats really awful for hollande.
    Really awful for France!
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Seats projections for France

    Marine 23-25
    UMP 18-21
    Socialists 13
    UDI/Modem 6-8
    Greens 6
    Left Front 3-5
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,537

    Good to see that the Hibbies would rather have some derby games next season than play in the top flight. Hearts, Rangers and Hibs - should be the better division!

    Should be excellent and may be some bargain season tickets from Rangers, half price season ticket fire sale would be nice.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    France exit poll

    Front National 25.3
    UMP 20.3
    Socialists 14.7
    UDi/Modem 10
    Greens 8.7
    Left Front 6.6

    Wow, thats really awful for hollande.
    Really awful for France!
    It's just those mainlanders with their narrow-minded continental mentality.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254
    UKIP 1.14/1,2 now on Betfair; 1.19 last matched
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    rogerhrogerh Posts: 282
    AndyJS said:

    Good news for the LDs. They stayed ahead in Watford:

    LD 8,863
    Lab 6,822
    UKIP 4,142
    Con 4,103
    Green 950

    Changes since 2010 locals:

    LD -3.39%
    Lab +1.63%
    UKIP +16.16%
    Con -14.00%
    Green -3.35%

    16% is a very low share for the Tories in a seat they currently hold at Westminster.

    A reminder that LD locals share is usually higher than GE share and the difference as in Watford was not high enough to deliver the seat in 2010.

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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Ben Kendall ‏@benjkendall · 14 s
    We're told that the count in Chelmsford, and other parts of the east, has been completed but we must wait until 10pm for results

    Yawn, blooyd Electoral Commission that wants to respect EU rules....and not ignoring them like all other countries do
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    And the Natrass splitters too...

    I think we will have ukip top, with con second and lab squeezed to third, and at 15/1 with Ladbrokes would be happy. I think Lab will poll poorly outside London, if people voted kipper in rotherham, doncaster and sunderland in the locals then surely they did also in the Euros.
    Quincel said:

    I think we're all underestimating the other others. Last time around the English Democrats got almost 2%, Christian Voice got over 1% as did the Socialist Labour party and a couple of others (if memory serves). My guess is:

    UKIP 26
    Lab 24
    Con 21
    Green 8
    LD 7
    Others 14

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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Quincel said:

    AveryLP said:

    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.

    60% surely?

    Let's be honest, every non-UKIP vote is another nail in Farage's coffin. That there are dissenting voters in 'home turf' elections for him says it all.
    So anything less than 100% is a failure?
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Socrates said:

    France exit poll

    Front National 25.3
    UMP 20.3
    Socialists 14.7
    UDi/Modem 10
    Greens 8.7
    Left Front 6.6

    Wow, thats really awful for hollande.
    Really awful for France!
    It's just those mainlanders with their narrow-minded continental mentality.
    The two German-speaking nations appear to have voted solidly and sensibly.

    It is the rest who will be regarding the EP elections as a sort of Eurovision for comedians.

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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,035

    Quincel said:

    AveryLP said:

    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.

    60% surely?

    Let's be honest, every non-UKIP vote is another nail in Farage's coffin. That there are dissenting voters in 'home turf' elections for him says it all.
    So anything less than 100% is a failure?
    To be honest, even 100% will have to be judged on turnout. If Farage can't get half the country to bother to vote for him now he's toast for 2015.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AndyJS said:

    So much for this so-called 10pm embargo...

    Once again it seem the UK is the only country playing by EU rules.

    Has anybody actually published results ? In Germany, France people go by TV exit polls because they are very accurate. They don't wait for the actual count unless very very close.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AveryLP said:

    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.

    Why are Tories so frit ? They are your soul mates after all .
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254

    Ben Kendall ‏@benjkendall · 14 s
    We're told that the count in Chelmsford, and other parts of the east, has been completed but we must wait until 10pm for results

    Yawn, blooyd Electoral Commission that wants to respect EU rules....and not ignoring them like all other countries do

    If you knew the results you'd be able to make a mint right now on Betfair !
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    MineForNothing ‏@minefornothing 6m
    Some rumours that UKIP have won in the East of England region and Lib Dems have lost all their seats #EP2014
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,429
    AndyJS said:

    So much for this so-called 10pm embargo...

    Once again it seem the UK is the only country playing by EU rules.

    Surprise Surprise.

    As the person who has probably viewed more local election results than anyone else, would you care to give an approximate view on what proportion of seats the parties contested?

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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Quincel said:

    Quincel said:

    AveryLP said:

    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.

    60% surely?

    Let's be honest, every non-UKIP vote is another nail in Farage's coffin. That there are dissenting voters in 'home turf' elections for him says it all.
    So anything less than 100% is a failure?
    To be honest, even 100% will have to be judged on turnout. If Farage can't get half the country to bother to vote for him now he's toast for 2015.
    So, to be clear: If UKIP get less than 50% of all eligible voters, they have failed?
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2014
    In France it's very accurate because it's a projection more than an exit poll. In the majority of towns they finish voting at 6 or 7PM . Counting start immediately there. So when the polls close in the ig cities at 8, the figures released by TV channels are based also on the real results from selected key polling stations from authorites finishing early
    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    So much for this so-called 10pm embargo...

    Once again it seem the UK is the only country playing by EU rules.

    Has anybody actually published results ? In Germany, France people go by TV exit polls because they are very accurate. They don't wait for the actual count unless very very close.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    It always seems odd, reminds me of POTUS elections where states are conceeded after just a few % of ballots are counted.
    surbiton said:

    AndyJS said:

    So much for this so-called 10pm embargo...

    Once again it seem the UK is the only country playing by EU rules.

    Has anybody actually published results ? In Germany, France people go by TV exit polls because they are very accurate. They don't wait for the actual count unless very very close.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254
    I thinkl Betfair is a mix of people who 'lnow' right now and others finessing positions tbh.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    surbiton said:

    AveryLP said:

    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.

    Why are Tories so frit ? They are your soul mates after all .
    Surby

    I based this benchmark on a quick poll of my extended family. Any member who had shown the basic symptoms of mental instability - and there are many of them - had voted Kipper.

    In the circumstances, 35% seems low to me.

    Nothing about being frit. It is more to do with recognising and counting the voice of those afflicted with mentally illness.

    I thought the Left would understand and sympathise!

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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Austria has announced all polling stations except for postal votes. They will add them tomorrow morning for the final result
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Exit poll from Denmark

    DF 23,1% 3 seats
    Social Democrats 20,5% 3
    Liberals 17,2% 2
    SF 11,9% 2
    Conservatives 8,6% 1
    People's Movement against the EU 8,2% 1
    Social Liberals 7,0% 1
    Liberal Alliance 3,4% 0
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,035

    Quincel said:

    Quincel said:

    AveryLP said:

    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.

    60% surely?

    Let's be honest, every non-UKIP vote is another nail in Farage's coffin. That there are dissenting voters in 'home turf' elections for him says it all.
    So anything less than 100% is a failure?
    To be honest, even 100% will have to be judged on turnout. If Farage can't get half the country to bother to vote for him now he's toast for 2015.
    So, to be clear: If UKIP get less than 50% of all eligible voters, they have failed?
    I'm starting to wonder whether you don't realise I'm joking or I don't realise you're joking.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254

    Exit poll from Denmark

    DF 23,1% 3 seats
    Social Democrats 20,5% 3
    Liberals 17,2% 2
    SF 11,9% 2
    Conservatives 8,6% 1
    People's Movement against the EU 8,2% 1
    Social Liberals 7,0% 1
    Liberal Alliance 3,4% 0

    What is DF ?
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @AveryLP

    I at least sympathize, Interbreeding has obviously left terrible scars on your families genes.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    Tim Scott ‏@timscottukip 2m
    At South Bucks #EP2014 count: #UKIP and Tory close for 1st, Lab 3rd, Green and Lib Dem close for 4th
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,209
    Pulpstar said:

    Exit poll from Denmark

    DF 23,1% 3 seats
    Social Democrats 20,5% 3
    Liberals 17,2% 2
    SF 11,9% 2
    Conservatives 8,6% 1
    People's Movement against the EU 8,2% 1
    Social Liberals 7,0% 1
    Liberal Alliance 3,4% 0

    What is DF ?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_People's_Party I assume.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,270
    It looks like we will be the last country to have results again. No chance of an early night then. At least the North East count is being held in Sunderland, and the Mackems know how to organise a count.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254
    Who has won in Greece ? Syriza/Golden Dawn the top 2 ?
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Exit poll from Denmark

    DF 23,1% 3 seats
    Social Democrats 20,5% 3
    Liberals 17,2% 2
    SF 11,9% 2
    Conservatives 8,6% 1
    People's Movement against the EU 8,2% 1
    Social Liberals 7,0% 1
    Liberal Alliance 3,4% 0

    Dr Palma de Majorca

    Would it be possible for you to identify the loony parties in Europe with a suitable smiley mark when reporting results and predictions of voting share?

    I know the main ones, but get lost when it comes to the lesser countries.

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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AveryLP said:

    surbiton said:

    AveryLP said:

    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.

    Why are Tories so frit ? They are your soul mates after all .
    Surby

    I based this benchmark on a quick poll of my extended family. Any member who had shown the basic symptoms of mental instability - and there are many of them - had voted Kipper.

    In the circumstances, 35% seems low to me.

    Nothing about being frit. It is more to do with recognising and counting the voice of those afflicted with mentally illness.

    I thought the Left would understand and sympathise!

    1 in 3 in your family. Shouldn't the family encourage some diversity in the gene pool ?

    Of course, please be assured that as a lefty I take any reference to mental health with the utmost seriousness !
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,748
    Mike Crockart MP ‏@CrockartMP 16 mins
    Overall Edinburgh turnout just announced as 41.6%. Better than expected but should be higher... #EP2014
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    MikeK said:

    MineForNothing ‏@minefornothing 6m
    Some rumours that UKIP have won in the East of England region and Lib Dems have lost all their seats #EP2014

    As long as Duff loses his seat...
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Pulpstar said:

    Exit poll from Denmark

    DF 23,1% 3 seats
    Social Democrats 20,5% 3
    Liberals 17,2% 2
    SF 11,9% 2
    Conservatives 8,6% 1
    People's Movement against the EU 8,2% 1
    Social Liberals 7,0% 1
    Liberal Alliance 3,4% 0

    What is DF ?
    Angry Danish Folk

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254
    edited May 2014
    Denmark/France/Greece so far look like a massive rejection of the mainstream parties.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    DF= People's Party
    SF=Socialists (left of Social Democrats)
    Pulpstar said:

    Exit poll from Denmark

    DF 23,1% 3 seats
    Social Democrats 20,5% 3
    Liberals 17,2% 2
    SF 11,9% 2
    Conservatives 8,6% 1
    People's Movement against the EU 8,2% 1
    Social Liberals 7,0% 1
    Liberal Alliance 3,4% 0

    What is DF ?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254
    If Conservatives have a decent chance of 2nd, surely they can win. That or 210 is stoking value for them winning the Euros right now on Betfair. Surely to do that though they'd need to win East of England (Labour not necessarily) so thats probably why they are 210-1.
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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    Mike Crockart MP ‏@CrockartMP 16 mins
    Overall Edinburgh turnout just announced as 41.6%. Better than expected but should be higher... #EP2014

    I must say - that is very good.

    Yes, I'm back people. It apparently doesn't take me soo long to recover from an F1 win.

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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Exit poll had Syriza just ahead of Nea Dimokratia (within margin of error). Golden Dawn at 8-10% and Socialists at 7-9%
    Pulpstar said:

    Who has won in Greece ? Syriza/Golden Dawn the top 2 ?

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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Ireland still have all the STV round to do....

    but yes, London must wait Tower Hamlets....so not sure if they will ever finish.

    It looks like we will be the last country to have results again. No chance of an early night then. At least the North East count is being held in Sunderland, and the Mackems know how to organise a count.

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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Nice to see the new Republican House budget includes food aid for poor rural children but not to poor urban children:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/house-gop-agriculture-budget-white-house-106831.html

    What could possibly be the difference between poor kids in Appalachia and poor kids in south Chicago?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254
    With these results for FN, DF, Syriza all being very anti-EU parties, the EU parliament is going to be alot of fun for the next few years !
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Labour won all the seats in Barking & Dagenham with 52.31% of the vote:

    Lab 28,871 (52.31%)
    UKIP 14,847 (26.90%)
    Con 5,742 (10.40%)
    LD 1,942 (3.52%)
    Green 1,293 (2.34%)
    BNP 915 (1.66%)

    Changes since 2010 locals:

    Lab +5.14%
    UKIP +23.48%
    Con -5.71%
    LD -7.57%
    Green +2.09%
    BNP -16.17%
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sunderland also have the smallest region to count, so the NE is pretty much guaranteed to be first.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,429
    Pulpstar said:

    With these results for FN, DF, Syriza all being very anti-EU parties, the EU parliament is going to be alot of fun for the next few years !

    Don't worry, at least half will go native inside 2 years. Human beings are venal if nothing else.

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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2014/05/25/2014-european-parliament-election-results-live-blog/

    You guys can log in here from 20:00. Just a little plug for my old uni.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    2009 there was Con 7932 UKIP 3577 LD 1869 Green 1600 Lab 910
    kjohnw said:

    Tim Scott ‏@timscottukip 2m
    At South Bucks #EP2014 count: #UKIP and Tory close for 1st, Lab 3rd, Green and Lib Dem close for 4th

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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,380
    edited May 2014
    Socrates said:

    Nice to see the new Republican House budget includes food aid for poor rural children but not to poor urban children:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/house-gop-agriculture-budget-white-house-106831.html

    What could possibly be the difference between poor kids in Appalachia and poor kids in south Chicago?

    Dare I say votes? :-(

    I assume Appalachia is more likely to vote GOP than Chicago and frankly they don't care about the kids, just about shoring up their support.
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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Socrates said:

    MikeK said:

    MineForNothing ‏@minefornothing 6m
    Some rumours that UKIP have won in the East of England region and Lib Dems have lost all their seats #EP2014

    As long as Duff loses his seat...
    UKIP were odds on for the Eaast of England, as I recall. It's the homeland of the UKIP in Brussels, Conservative at Westminster voter.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Just occurred to me that both Miliband and Clegg could be in serious trouble after tonight — Miliband if Labour come third and Clegg if the LDs hardly win any seats.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,289
    Apologies to Edinburgh Max. :)
    Twitter
    Neil Lovatt ‏@neiledwardlovat 6m
    Scotland now has more Tories MPs than Edinburgh clubs in the SPL #indyref
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    Fat_SteveFat_Steve Posts: 361
    Prediction - UKIP will perform on the high side - 32 or 33 or higher. Quite possibly higher than any the above polls.
    I have no evidence or specialist knowledge, and I am willing to be laughed at if wrong.
    If I'm right, it will be due to a shy-UKIP effect.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    Nice to see the new Republican House budget includes food aid for poor rural children but not to poor urban children:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/house-gop-agriculture-budget-white-house-106831.html

    What could possibly be the difference between poor kids in Appalachia and poor kids in south Chicago?

    Dare I say votes? :-(

    I assume Appalachia is more likely to vote GOP than Chicago and frankly they don't care about the kids, just about shoring up their support.
    It's a sad situation when the explanation of just preferring your own partisans is the charitable explanation.
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    BBC Wales Politics ‏@WalesPolitics 11m
    John Atkinson, campaign manager for UKIP in Wales says party will get 30% of the vote and is neck and neck with Labour ^NS.

    That'd be pretty incredible.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,289
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    AberdeenshireCouncil ‏@Aberdeenshire 41s
    Turnout in @Aberdeenshire in the European Election is 32.63% - up from the 29.11% last time. Counting of ballot papers about to start.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254
    corporeal said:

    BBC Wales Politics ‏@WalesPolitics 11m
    John Atkinson, campaign manager for UKIP in Wales says party will get 30% of the vote and is neck and neck with Labour ^NS.

    That'd be pretty incredible.

    Doesn't that mean UKIP has basically won ?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    AberdeenshireCouncil ‏@Aberdeenshire 41s
    Turnout in @Aberdeenshire in the European Election is 32.63% - up from the 29.11% last time. Counting of ballot papers about to start.

    That's still a very disappointing turnout for Aberdeenshire I think.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,380
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    Nice to see the new Republican House budget includes food aid for poor rural children but not to poor urban children:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/house-gop-agriculture-budget-white-house-106831.html

    What could possibly be the difference between poor kids in Appalachia and poor kids in south Chicago?

    Dare I say votes? :-(

    I assume Appalachia is more likely to vote GOP than Chicago and frankly they don't care about the kids, just about shoring up their support.
    It's a sad situation when the explanation of just preferring your own partisans is the charitable explanation.
    I live in faint hope that some of the UK Right cheering on the GOP will realise that even the Democrats are further to the right than any of the top 5 UK parties and that the current Republicans really are not worthy of support or admiration.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    corporeal said:

    BBC Wales Politics ‏@WalesPolitics 11m
    John Atkinson, campaign manager for UKIP in Wales says party will get 30% of the vote and is neck and neck with Labour ^NS.

    That'd be pretty incredible.

    I don't believe it — I've been going on about the possibility of UKIP coming first in Wales!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254
    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    AberdeenshireCouncil ‏@Aberdeenshire 41s
    Turnout in @Aberdeenshire in the European Election is 32.63% - up from the 29.11% last time. Counting of ballot papers about to start.

    Is Aberdeenshire an SNP area ?
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Labour confirm it's too close to call in Wales!
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    ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    AveryLP said:

    surbiton said:

    AveryLP said:

    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.

    Why are Tories so frit ? They are your soul mates after all .
    Surby

    I based this benchmark on a quick poll of my extended family. Any member who had shown the basic symptoms of mental instability - and there are many of them - had voted Kipper.

    In the circumstances, 35% seems low to me.

    Nothing about being frit. It is more to do with recognising and counting the voice of those afflicted with mentally illness.

    I thought the Left would understand and sympathise!

    As someone who was institutionalised during their teenage year ( due to over exuberant abuse of LSD) for mental illness and voted conservative in 2010 I heartily concur that those portions of your family not voting UKIP are obviously insane...the fact you think it is the other way around only goes to highlight the depths of your insanity.

    I recovered and am now a functioning member of society with no relapses in the last 30 or so years. I however fear you are far too set in your ways and the country will just have to suffer your nonsensical voting until you finally go to meet the maker herself

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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,380
    edited May 2014
    Surely guys and gals the lesson we learnt from the Locals the other night is there is really no point believing any rumours until we get the actual numbers. Look how many false claims were made about various parties (notably UKIP winning seats that weren't even counting until the following day) on Thursday night.
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    MaxUMaxU Posts: 87
    ZenPagan said:

    AveryLP said:

    surbiton said:

    AveryLP said:

    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.

    Why are Tories so frit ? They are your soul mates after all .
    Surby

    I based this benchmark on a quick poll of my extended family. Any member who had shown the basic symptoms of mental instability - and there are many of them - had voted Kipper.

    In the circumstances, 35% seems low to me.

    Nothing about being frit. It is more to do with recognising and counting the voice of those afflicted with mentally illness.

    I thought the Left would understand and sympathise!

    As someone who was institutionalised during their teenage year ( due to over exuberant abuse of LSD) for mental illness and voted conservative in 2010 I heartily concur that those portions of your family not voting UKIP are obviously insane...the fact you think it is the other way around only goes to highlight the depths of your insanity.

    I recovered and am now a functioning member of society with no relapses in the last 30 or so years. I however fear you are far too set in your ways and the country will just have to suffer your nonsensical voting until you finally go to meet the maker herself

    "the maker herself" ??- unless you are Harriet Harman I suggest that you may still be under the influence of LSD.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254

    Labour confirm it's too close to call in Wales!

    Too close to call in Wales - I'm calling it for UKIP. Grats to anyone who was on for a UKIP seat in Scotland too, can't see that one being a loser now.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,748
    From Oldnat on UK Polling report:

    'Euro turnout

    Edinburgh was 6% higher than 2009
    South Lanarkshire turnout 30.1% it was 24.6% in 2009'

    Wonder if the referendum has increased voter engagement?
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    JamesMJamesM Posts: 221
    Evening all. Any idea when we think a cabinet reshuffle will take place? Before or after the State Opening of Parliament?
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    BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408
    I reckon it will be something like:

    UKIP 32
    CON 24
    LAB 22
    GRN 10
    LD 5
    AIFE 2

    Once the area break-downs are out I think we will see a correlation between the Euro results and those for the AV referendum:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011
    with UKIP support being lowest in areas that are most pro AV ie left wing inner London, Oxford, Cambridge, Edinburgh, Norwich, Brighton etc .
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    From Oldnat on UK Polling report:

    'Euro turnout

    Edinburgh was 6% higher than 2009
    South Lanarkshire turnout 30.1% it was 24.6% in 2009'

    Wonder if the referendum has increased voter engagement?</block-quote

    Maybe it's UKIP appealing to previous Scots non-voters.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254
    Labour on the drift on Betfair, 5-1 available now - buit if they haven't been able to take Wales convincingly I can't see it.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,289
    It has a real mix of strong pockets of SNP/Libdem &Tory voters as its a big sprawling rural area.
    Pulpstar said:

    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    AberdeenshireCouncil ‏@Aberdeenshire 41s
    Turnout in @Aberdeenshire in the European Election is 32.63% - up from the 29.11% last time. Counting of ballot papers about to start.

    Is Aberdeenshire an SNP area ?
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,380
    So if (and I only say if) UKIP do win tonight, who do you think they would prefer to see come second?

    Personally I think they would rather the Tories came second. It would go some way to defeating the idea that a UKIP vote would split the Right and so let Labour in whilst also putting a lot more pressure on Miliband to move towards a referendum pledge.

    Thoughts?
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    ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    MaxU said:

    ZenPagan said:

    AveryLP said:

    surbiton said:

    AveryLP said:

    If the Kippers don't get 35%, they are finished.

    Why are Tories so frit ? They are your soul mates after all .
    Surby

    I based this benchmark on a quick poll of my extended family. Any member who had shown the basic symptoms of mental instability - and there are many of them - had voted Kipper.

    In the circumstances, 35% seems low to me.

    Nothing about being frit. It is more to do with recognising and counting the voice of those afflicted with mentally illness.

    I thought the Left would understand and sympathise!

    As someone who was institutionalised during their teenage year ( due to over exuberant abuse of LSD) for mental illness and voted conservative in 2010 I heartily concur that those portions of your family not voting UKIP are obviously insane...the fact you think it is the other way around only goes to highlight the depths of your insanity.

    I recovered and am now a functioning member of society with no relapses in the last 30 or so years. I however fear you are far too set in your ways and the country will just have to suffer your nonsensical voting until you finally go to meet the maker herself

    "the maker herself" ??- unless you are Harriet Harman I suggest that you may still be under the influence of LSD.

    I am a pagan, my father was a pagan and his father before him a pagan etc...back into the mists of time it is sort of a family tradition

    I happen to accredit much of the state of the universe to a girl god

    When atheists say "look around how can you believe in god when you look at the state of the world" I can say god is a girl and I happen to know she has a fondness for Tequila

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254
    Think the Wales rumour is good for my tricast tbh...

    I voted Tory anyway maybe it'll be close.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,429
    Pulpstar said:

    Labour on the drift on Betfair, 5-1 available now - buit if they haven't been able to take Wales convincingly I can't see it.

    Do you think OGH will mention his position on this at all, and if he does, will he be able to avoid referencing his Obama bet to justify it?
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926

    Labour confirm it's too close to call in Wales!

    Bit premature as count only started some 30 mins ago

    Highest turn out in Wales was in Plaid Cymru's heartlands also Tory heartland of Pembrokehire has high turnout
    Lowest was Labour valley heartlands
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,380
    fitalass said:

    It has a real mix of strong pockets of SNP/Libdem &Tory voters as its a big sprawling rural area.

    Pulpstar said:

    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    AberdeenshireCouncil ‏@Aberdeenshire 41s
    Turnout in @Aberdeenshire in the European Election is 32.63% - up from the 29.11% last time. Counting of ballot papers about to start.

    Is Aberdeenshire an SNP area ?
    It also has an extremely large 'English' population as a result of the Oil industry.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,254

    So if (and I only say if) UKIP do win tonight, who do you think they would prefer to see come second?

    Personally I think they would rather the Tories came second. It would go some way to defeating the idea that a UKIP vote would split the Right and so let Labour in whilst also putting a lot more pressure on Miliband to move towards a referendum pledge.

    Thoughts?

    I don't think UKIP will care too much who is second.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Surely guys and gals the lesson we learnt from the Locals the other night is there is really no point believing any rumours until we get the actual numbers. Look how many false claims were made about various parties (notably UKIP winning seats that weren't even counting until the following day) on Thursday night.

    Wise words.

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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    AndyJS said:

    corporeal said:

    BBC Wales Politics ‏@WalesPolitics 11m
    John Atkinson, campaign manager for UKIP in Wales says party will get 30% of the vote and is neck and neck with Labour ^NS.

    That'd be pretty incredible.

    I don't believe it — I've been going on about the possibility of UKIP coming first in Wales!
    It'd be the 2nd time since 1918 Labour hasn't won a national election in Wales. (2009 Euro the other).
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,380
    Pulpstar said:

    So if (and I only say if) UKIP do win tonight, who do you think they would prefer to see come second?

    Personally I think they would rather the Tories came second. It would go some way to defeating the idea that a UKIP vote would split the Right and so let Labour in whilst also putting a lot more pressure on Miliband to move towards a referendum pledge.

    Thoughts?

    I don't think UKIP will care too much who is second.
    If they were being grown up then they should. They should have their eyes on any and all permutations.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Aberdeenshire used to be one of the most Tory areas in Scotland unless I'm mistaken.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Political Correspondent for ITV, covering northern England and Scotland, tweeting it's neck and neck between Lab and UKIP in Leeds.

    2009 in Leeds was Con 23.2% Lab 21.3 UKIP 15.9

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