That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
I’ve asked this before but why were all these people constantly taking photos of each other? It seems an extra level of mentalness over and above the dodgy sex, bribery, blackmail etc.
This was the era when camera phones became more prevalent (and then able to decent pictures), there was novelty value.
It's what led to sexting.
‘I know, let’s get a picture of me on all fours over a lass not my wife, it’ll be a right laugh!’
All I will say is I am very glad camera phones did not exist when I was a student.
Moi aussi, but then I was a youth drunk on life and alcohol, not a jowly member of the establishment with a fair few fck ups behind me.
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
My pro guess as a fairly debauched person that knows some very rich louche people?
That’s a photo taken at Epstein’s New York townhouse the morning after a fun sex party. They’ve all been naked together, so the need for “proper attire” falls away
Which, of course, does not imply any illegality at all. Just libertinism. But it’s still not a great photo for The Mandelbot Set
Doesn't it rather undermine the "I'm gay so I had no idea about any girls" explanation?
I guess Epstein was supposed to be a charming man, but for someone who has moved about with the rich and powerful for decades what exactly did Mandy and Epstein talk about or do that made them such good friends? It's seemingly not suggested they merely had a light acquaintance, so take away the pervy and illegal sex connection that presumably made Epstein popular with others, what was the draw to Mandy (other than money, I guess)?
He was just that sparkling a conversationalist, or what?
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
Is there an element of him being gay where it would t have the same connotations and “feels” if they were at a weekend house party. He’s clearly not going to be interested in them sexually and vice versa so would just be “unthreatening”.
Sorry: still being old-fashioned. Being half undressed in front of each other is just .... yuck .... even if you're not interested in each other sexually. I've been to house parties - and had plenty of people to stay at mine - and they do not wander round half-dressed. These people have no manners.
There are house parties and then there are… “house parties”
I imagine yours were a lot more sedate than Epstein’s, to put it mildly
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
My pro guess as a fairly debauched person that knows some very rich louche people?
That’s a photo taken at Epstein’s New York townhouse the morning after a fun sex party. They’ve all been naked together, so the need for “proper attire” falls away
Which, of course, does not imply any illegality at all. Just libertinism. But it’s still not a great photo for The Mandelbot Set
Doesn't it rather undermine the "I'm gay so I had no idea about any girls" explanation?
Yes, completely
Private Eye are gonna have a ball with that photo.
I never knew about any $2m house in Brazil, the $50k cash into my bank account, the girls, cos you see I am gay....that BBC interview he did is starting to be up their with Andrew's car crash.
Yes, that he would not be expected to be sexually interested in the manner of many of Epstein's friends was always an odd rebuttal to the idea he never came across anything that was questionable. Epstein clearly wasn't that careful.
Wasn’t George 3 more constrained by parliament than Trump is constrained?
I'm not sure that George III was a great mover on policy wrt America. I'd lay the blame foursquare on Parliament.
Interesting that by the late 18th century it was easier to rally opposition by blaming the Monarch, rather than his advisors, in a reversal of the previous pattern in times medieval and early modern.
I think George III's most significant political intervention was in blocking much of the proposed Catholic Emancipation at the time of the Act of Union with Ireland, which isn't a great legacy, though you could argue it was a matter of him taking his Coronation Oath seriously.
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
Seriously escalating for Andrew now, just got another push notification. The King needs to buy him a one-way ticket.
"Edwards [the victim's main lawyer] said he had been in contact with "certain legal counsel" of the former prince in the United States, but said Andrew had "seemingly been disconnected from his lawyers"."
BBC
Doesn't bode well.
AM-W is an oaf, an arrogant prick and has clearly done dodgy things but it annoys me that he seems to be an easy target where there are clearly people much deeper in the filth who are getting away with it.
He shouldn’t be sent as a sacrificial lamb until we see that the US authorities have started prosecuting high profile and influential Americans who were balls deep in Epstein world.
I don’t believe there will be any prosecutions until Trump is gone. But apres lui, le deluge
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
Seriously escalating for Andrew now, just got another push notification. The King needs to buy him a one-way ticket.
"Edwards [the victim's main lawyer] said he had been in contact with "certain legal counsel" of the former prince in the United States, but said Andrew had "seemingly been disconnected from his lawyers"."
BBC
Doesn't bode well.
AM-W is an oaf, an arrogant prick and has clearly done dodgy things but it annoys me that he seems to be an easy target where there are clearly people much deeper in the filth who are getting away with it.
He shouldn’t be sent as a sacrificial lamb until we see that the US authorities have started prosecuting high profile and influential Americans who were balls deep in Epstein world.
But if his profile helps put the spotlight on others as people ask 'why aren't our own dodgy shits getting investigated?' then it would be a worthy sacrificial lamb.
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
Is there an element of him being gay where it would t have the same connotations and “feels” if they were at a weekend house party. He’s clearly not going to be interested in them sexually and vice versa so would just be “unthreatening”.
Sorry: still being old-fashioned. Being half undressed in front of each other is just .... yuck .... even if you're not interested in each other sexually. I've been to house parties - and had plenty of people to stay at mine - and they do not wander round half-dressed. These people have no manners.
British prudeness evaporates with money, so hope you never win the lottery I guess.
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
I never knew about any $2m house in Brazil, the $50k cash into my bank account, the girls, cos you see I am gay....that BBC interview he did is starting to be up their with Andrew's car crash.
It's something somebody who themselves is Jewish observed about Mandy.
Peter likes money more than most, but that's an antisemitic trope that's been going on for centuries, I suspect somebody should have intervened and said after the mortgage problems and told Mandy to live within your bloody means.
I never knew about any $2m house in Brazil, the $50k cash into my bank account, the girls, cos you see I am gay....that BBC interview he did is starting to be up their with Andrew's car crash.
Worse. Andrew is a thickie. Mandelson is supposed to be clever. Did he do that recent interview to get ahead of the game? If so, it's going to backfire badly.
He was an MP and Minister for some of this time. Did he fail to reveal payments in the Commons register of interests? Or to the ethics person? Or did he tell other Labour people and, if so, who?
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
Is there an element of him being gay where it would t have the same connotations and “feels” if they were at a weekend house party. He’s clearly not going to be interested in them sexually and vice versa so would just be “unthreatening”.
Sorry: still being old-fashioned. Being half undressed in front of each other is just .... yuck .... even if you're not interested in each other sexually. I've been to house parties - and had plenty of people to stay at mine - and they do not wander round half-dressed. These people have no manners.
Devil’s advocate… is it really any different to when everyone is around the pool at a house party in their shorts, bikinis etc?
I’ve been to many house parties over a long weekend where everyone is wandering around in various states of undress and nobody thinks anything of it - there is an understanding that even if people are unclothed it doesn’t mean they are up for it etc.
If we are somewhere hot then people are wearing less. The crime in that photo is that he is looking terrible by wearing pants and a t-shirt however if he was wearing a nice pair of boxers and had thrown on a linen shirt then it would appear totally unremarkable however he is always someone who seems to have no style so explains why he is wearing, unashamedly, what he is.
Maybe I’ve had a weird life not absolutely nothing unusual amongst my friends that you all wake up on such a weekend and pile onto bed and work out what happened the night before in a range of jimjams, pants, swimwear etc. it doesn’t make us perverted criminals, just relaxed in our environment.
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
Is there an element of him being gay where it would t have the same connotations and “feels” if they were at a weekend house party. He’s clearly not going to be interested in them sexually and vice versa so would just be “unthreatening”.
Sorry: still being old-fashioned. Being half undressed in front of each other is just .... yuck .... even if you're not interested in each other sexually. I've been to house parties - and had plenty of people to stay at mine - and they do not wander round half-dressed. These people have no manners.
There are house parties and then there are… “house parties”
I imagine yours were a lot more sedate than Epstein’s, to put it mildly
True. My guests are much more interesting than thick Royals and sleazy politicians.
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
Is that because less of the British elite are implicated, whereas in the US there's a closing of the ranks because almost the entire elite are implicated - so a general effect you might see regardless of who was President - or due to the chilling effect the Trump Presidency has had on journalistic independence and scrutiny?
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
My pro guess as a fairly debauched person that knows some very rich louche people?
That’s a photo taken at Epstein’s New York townhouse the morning after a fun sex party. They’ve all been naked together, so the need for “proper attire” falls away
Which, of course, does not imply any illegality at all. Just libertinism. But it’s still not a great photo for The Mandelbot Set
Doesn't it rather undermine the "I'm gay so I had no idea about any girls" explanation?
Yes, completely
Private Eye are gonna have a ball with that photo.
Has he only got one? The light wasn't good enough to tell. 😉
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
Is there an element of him being gay where it would t have the same connotations and “feels” if they were at a weekend house party. He’s clearly not going to be interested in them sexually and vice versa so would just be “unthreatening”.
Sorry: still being old-fashioned. Being half undressed in front of each other is just .... yuck .... even if you're not interested in each other sexually. I've been to house parties - and had plenty of people to stay at mine - and they do not wander round half-dressed. These people have no manners.
British prudeness evaporates with money, so hope you never win the lottery I guess.
I'm not a prude. Or British, come to that. I do know how to behave.
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
The NYT is desperately trying to bury this, esp when you think how important it is. Just shows how much BOTH sides are implicated
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
Is that because less of the British elite are implicated, whereas in the US there's a closing of the ranks because almost the entire elite are implicated - so a general effect you might see regardless of who was President - or due to the chilling effect the Trump Presidency has had on journalistic independence and scrutiny?
Poor British elites probably mostly don't get invited to the world class sleazy shindigs. No doubt they have their own slightly lesser more desperate affairs, the sex trafficking BAFTAs to the Epstein's Oscars. Andrew could have stayed closer to home.
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
Is the owner/publisher of the NYT not in the files?
That validates Truss's take that there in an insurrection against Trump.
No it really doesn't. Since when did a legal.opinion equate to an insurrection?
The only insurrection we have seen is the one Trump was encouraging on January 6th 2021
It's not the judges abusing the law.
This should be a huge national story. A conservative judge released a list of 96 times—which he said is an undercount—that ICE violated court orders in January alone. The government is illegally imprisoning people without due process. You can’t reconcile that with law & order. https://x.com/billybinion/status/2017652768261996620
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
Is the owner/publisher of the NYT not in the files?
Yes. Sulzberger. Also senior columnists in actual photos, etc
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
Is there an element of him being gay where it would t have the same connotations and “feels” if they were at a weekend house party. He’s clearly not going to be interested in them sexually and vice versa so would just be “unthreatening”.
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
Is the owner/publisher of the NYT not in the files?
Yes. Sulzberger. Also senior columnists in actual photos, etc
It’s the entire elite
I’m imagining there will be a slew of NYT articles about how Britain is a dystopian hellhole post Brexit on their way.
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
Is there an element of him being gay where it would t have the same connotations and “feels” if they were at a weekend house party. He’s clearly not going to be interested in them sexually and vice versa so would just be “unthreatening”.
Sorry: still being old-fashioned. Being half undressed in front of each other is just .... yuck .... even if you're not interested in each other sexually. I've been to house parties - and had plenty of people to stay at mine - and they do not wander round half-dressed. These people have no manners.
Devil’s advocate… is it really any different to when everyone is around the pool at a house party in their shorts, bikinis etc?
I’ve been to many house parties over a long weekend where everyone is wandering around in various states of undress and nobody thinks anything of it - there is an understanding that even if people are unclothed it doesn’t mean they are up for it etc.
If we are somewhere hot then people are wearing less. The crime in that photo is that he is looking terrible by wearing pants and a t-shirt however if he was wearing a nice pair of boxers and had thrown on a linen shirt then it would appear totally unremarkable however he is always someone who seems to have no style so explains why he is wearing, unashamedly, what he is.
Maybe I’ve had a weird life not absolutely nothing unusual amongst my friends that you all wake up on such a weekend and pile onto bed and work out what happened the night before in a range of jimjams, pants, swimwear etc. it doesn’t make us perverted criminals, just relaxed in our environment.
I know exactly what you mean but
50 year old men in pants with early 20s women in bathrobe? Hmm
And this isn’t Barbados. It’s a rich urban environment with slightly generic taste-free rich man’s third house decor. I’d bet money it’s Epstein’s NYC gaff
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
Is the owner/publisher of the NYT not in the files?
Yes. Sulzberger. Also senior columnists in actual photos, etc
It’s the entire elite
Struggling to find that Sulzberger link (unless Google/Reddit have already purged).
Tbh I think much of the American press know this isn't going anywhere: most people assume that Trump was involved in this, yet it's obvious he's not going to get impeached for it. That doesn't generate many clicks, perhaps? I haven't bothered to read any articles save the BBC one.
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
Is that because less of the British elite are implicated, whereas in the US there's a closing of the ranks because almost the entire elite are implicated - so a general effect you might see regardless of who was President - or due to the chilling effect the Trump Presidency has had on journalistic independence and scrutiny?
There are a lot (too many) of VIP Americans implicated in one way or another, but it’s not “almost the entire elite”. The vast majority of 100 Senators are not implicated. The VP is not implicated (except in the cover up later). The previous President and Vice-President are not implicated. The VP before them is not implicated. Obama isn’t implicated, Dubya isn’t implicated. Are any Supreme Court justices implicated?
Saying it’s “almost the entire elite” is giving an excuse to those who were involved.
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
My pro guess as a fairly debauched person that knows some very rich louche people?
That’s a photo taken at Epstein’s New York townhouse the morning after a fun sex party. They’ve all been naked together, so the need for “proper attire” falls away
Which, of course, does not imply any illegality at all. Just libertinism. But it’s still not a great photo for The Mandelbot Set
Doesn't it rather undermine the "I'm gay so I had no idea about any girls" explanation?
I guess Epstein was supposed to be a charming man, but for someone who has moved about with the rich and powerful for decades what exactly did Mandy and Epstein talk about or do that made them such good friends? It's seemingly not suggested they merely had a light acquaintance, so take away the pervy and illegal sex connection that presumably made Epstein popular with others, what was the draw to Mandy (other than money, I guess)?
He was just that sparkling a conversationalist, or what?
Money and contacts and deals.
Apparently Epstein and provided advice on the sale of a RBS subsidiary called Sempra Commodities to JP Morgan in 2009 - 2010. Mandelson was Business Secretary for part of this time. Epstein's personal advisor at JP Morgan was Jes Staley, later Barclays CEO, then banned from U.K. finance jobs after lying about his relationship with Epstein.
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
Is there an element of him being gay where it would t have the same connotations and “feels” if they were at a weekend house party. He’s clearly not going to be interested in them sexually and vice versa so would just be “unthreatening”.
Sorry: still being old-fashioned. Being half undressed in front of each other is just .... yuck .... even if you're not interested in each other sexually. I've been to house parties - and had plenty of people to stay at mine - and they do not wander round half-dressed. These people have no manners.
Devil’s advocate… is it really any different to when everyone is around the pool at a house party in their shorts, bikinis etc?
I’ve been to many house parties over a long weekend where everyone is wandering around in various states of undress and nobody thinks anything of it - there is an understanding that even if people are unclothed it doesn’t mean they are up for it etc.
If we are somewhere hot then people are wearing less. The crime in that photo is that he is looking terrible by wearing pants and a t-shirt however if he was wearing a nice pair of boxers and had thrown on a linen shirt then it would appear totally unremarkable however he is always someone who seems to have no style so explains why he is wearing, unashamedly, what he is.
Maybe I’ve had a weird life not absolutely nothing unusual amongst my friends that you all wake up on such a weekend and pile onto bed and work out what happened the night before in a range of jimjams, pants, swimwear etc. it doesn’t make us perverted criminals, just relaxed in our environment.
I know exactly what you mean but
50 year old men in pants with early 20s women in bathrobe? Hmm
And this isn’t Barbados. It’s a rich urban environment with slightly generic taste-free rich man’s third house decor. I’d bet money it’s Epstein’s NYC gaff
I would imagine the woman in the bathrobe knew full well which war Mandie swings and so was perfectly comfortable being around him in such a state of undress.
Like the mad gay great uncle at parties wandering around in his pants seeing who wants to go and see some ancient ruins before everyone gets ready for the evening’s bacchanalia.
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
Is the owner/publisher of the NYT not in the files?
Yes. Sulzberger. Also senior columnists in actual photos, etc
It’s the entire elite
Struggling to find that Sulzberger link (unless Google/Reddit have already purged).
Tbh I think much of the American press know this isn't going anywhere: most people assume that Trump was involved in this, yet it's obvious he's not going to get impeached for it. That doesn't generate many clicks, perhaps? I haven't bothered to read any articles save the BBC one.
Sulzberger Jr is in the notorious “final list” of island guests that Epstein sent to Bannon
Also, this
“The director of a Massachusetts Institute of Technology research lab who resigned from the university over his ties to Jeffrey Epstein has also resigned from the boards of The New York Times Co. and of two foundations.
Times publisher A.G. Sulzberger and the company’s president, Mark Thompson, said in a companywide email Saturday that former Media Lab director Joi Ito has resigned from the board “effective immediately”
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
Is there an element of him being gay where it would t have the same connotations and “feels” if they were at a weekend house party. He’s clearly not going to be interested in them sexually and vice versa so would just be “unthreatening”.
Sorry: still being old-fashioned. Being half undressed in front of each other is just .... yuck .... even if you're not interested in each other sexually. I've been to house parties - and had plenty of people to stay at mine - and they do not wander round half-dressed. These people have no manners.
Devil’s advocate… is it really any different to when everyone is around the pool at a house party in their shorts, bikinis etc?
I’ve been to many house parties over a long weekend where everyone is wandering around in various states of undress and nobody thinks anything of it - there is an understanding that even if people are unclothed it doesn’t mean they are up for it etc.
If we are somewhere hot then people are wearing less. The crime in that photo is that he is looking terrible by wearing pants and a t-shirt however if he was wearing a nice pair of boxers and had thrown on a linen shirt then it would appear totally unremarkable however he is always someone who seems to have no style so explains why he is wearing, unashamedly, what he is.
Maybe I’ve had a weird life not absolutely nothing unusual amongst my friends that you all wake up on such a weekend and pile onto bed and work out what happened the night before in a range of jimjams, pants, swimwear etc. it doesn’t make us perverted criminals, just relaxed in our environment.
I know exactly what you mean but
50 year old men in pants with early 20s women in bathrobe? Hmm
And this isn’t Barbados. It’s a rich urban environment with slightly generic taste-free rich man’s third house decor. I’d bet money it’s Epstein’s NYC gaff
I would imagine the woman in the bathrobe knew full well which war Mandie swings and so was perfectly comfortable being around him in such a state of undress.
Like the mad gay great uncle at parties wandering around in his pants seeing who wants to go and see some ancient ruins before everyone gets ready for the evening’s bacchanalia.
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
Is there an element of him being gay where it would t have the same connotations and “feels” if they were at a weekend house party. He’s clearly not going to be interested in them sexually and vice versa so would just be “unthreatening”.
Sorry: still being old-fashioned. Being half undressed in front of each other is just .... yuck .... even if you're not interested in each other sexually. I've been to house parties - and had plenty of people to stay at mine - and they do not wander round half-dressed. These people have no manners.
Devil’s advocate… is it really any different to when everyone is around the pool at a house party in their shorts, bikinis etc?
I’ve been to many house parties over a long weekend where everyone is wandering around in various states of undress and nobody thinks anything of it - there is an understanding that even if people are unclothed it doesn’t mean they are up for it etc.
If we are somewhere hot then people are wearing less. The crime in that photo is that he is looking terrible by wearing pants and a t-shirt however if he was wearing a nice pair of boxers and had thrown on a linen shirt then it would appear totally unremarkable however he is always someone who seems to have no style so explains why he is wearing, unashamedly, what he is.
Maybe I’ve had a weird life not absolutely nothing unusual amongst my friends that you all wake up on such a weekend and pile onto bed and work out what happened the night before in a range of jimjams, pants, swimwear etc. it doesn’t make us perverted criminals, just relaxed in our environment.
I know exactly what you mean but
50 year old men in pants with early 20s women in bathrobe? Hmm
And this isn’t Barbados. It’s a rich urban environment with slightly generic taste-free rich man’s third house decor. I’d bet money it’s Epstein’s NYC gaff
Being in swimming stuff around a pool is fine. You are appropriately dressed for the occasion. Wandering around in your underwear outside your bedroom or bathroom is off. It's not the T-shirt / pants combo that is horrible. It's that he is undressed with a much younger woman also undressed in a room where there is no obvious proper reason for them being so undressed in front of each other. And they're being photographed.
I know you'll think me weird - but this is just off and icky and embarrassing.
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
My pro guess as a fairly debauched person that knows some very rich louche people?
That’s a photo taken at Epstein’s New York townhouse the morning after a fun sex party. They’ve all been naked together, so the need for “proper attire” falls away
Which, of course, does not imply any illegality at all. Just libertinism. But it’s still not a great photo for The Mandelbot Set
Doesn't it rather undermine the "I'm gay so I had no idea about any girls" explanation?
I guess Epstein was supposed to be a charming man, but for someone who has moved about with the rich and powerful for decades what exactly did Mandy and Epstein talk about or do that made them such good friends? It's seemingly not suggested they merely had a light acquaintance, so take away the pervy and illegal sex connection that presumably made Epstein popular with others, what was the draw to Mandy (other than money, I guess)?
He was just that sparkling a conversationalist, or what?
Mandy loved his visits to Epstein's Manhattan apartment, New Mexican ranch and private Caribbean island Little St James.
The latter especially was a great freebie break for him during the British winter and if there were no handsome poolboys there for him to admire (from afar I am sure) who happened to be there at the same time, then I am a Chinaman
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
You comparing the Harry Dunn case to this is extraordinary
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
Is there an element of him being gay where it would t have the same connotations and “feels” if they were at a weekend house party. He’s clearly not going to be interested in them sexually and vice versa so would just be “unthreatening”.
Sorry: still being old-fashioned. Being half undressed in front of each other is just .... yuck .... even if you're not interested in each other sexually. I've been to house parties - and had plenty of people to stay at mine - and they do not wander round half-dressed. These people have no manners.
Devil’s advocate… is it really any different to when everyone is around the pool at a house party in their shorts, bikinis etc?
I’ve been to many house parties over a long weekend where everyone is wandering around in various states of undress and nobody thinks anything of it - there is an understanding that even if people are unclothed it doesn’t mean they are up for it etc.
If we are somewhere hot then people are wearing less. The crime in that photo is that he is looking terrible by wearing pants and a t-shirt however if he was wearing a nice pair of boxers and had thrown on a linen shirt then it would appear totally unremarkable however he is always someone who seems to have no style so explains why he is wearing, unashamedly, what he is.
Maybe I’ve had a weird life not absolutely nothing unusual amongst my friends that you all wake up on such a weekend and pile onto bed and work out what happened the night before in a range of jimjams, pants, swimwear etc. it doesn’t make us perverted criminals, just relaxed in our environment.
I know exactly what you mean but
50 year old men in pants with early 20s women in bathrobe? Hmm
And this isn’t Barbados. It’s a rich urban environment with slightly generic taste-free rich man’s third house decor. I’d bet money it’s Epstein’s NYC gaff
Being in swimming stuff around a pool is fine. You are appropriately dressed for the occasion. Wandering around in your underwear outside your bedroom or bathroom is off. It's not the T-shirt / pants combo that is horrible. It's that he is undressed with a much younger woman also undressed in a room where there is no obvious proper reason for them being so undressed in front of each other. And they're being photographed.
I know you'll think me weird - but this is just off and icky and embarrassing.
I don’t think it’s weird at all. I agree the photo is “off”
I’ve been to a few sex parties and very hedonistic weekends and that photo, to me, screams “bleary-eyed sunny New York morning after a debauched night before”. She’s fresh out of the shower, he’s just out of bed, they’ve all been intimate in different ways. Guards are down
And of course none of this is remotely illegal. This is two adults in a room 🤷🏼♂️
But it does rather undermine Mandy’s already-ludicrous “I’m gay so I saw nothing” defence
NB. You also make another good point. Why take a photo of this? Who took the photo? Of this???
That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
My pro guess as a fairly debauched person that knows some very rich louche people?
That’s a photo taken at Epstein’s New York townhouse the morning after a fun sex party. They’ve all been naked together, so the need for “proper attire” falls away
Which, of course, does not imply any illegality at all. Just libertinism. But it’s still not a great photo for The Mandelbot Set
Doesn't it rather undermine the "I'm gay so I had no idea about any girls" explanation?
I guess Epstein was supposed to be a charming man, but for someone who has moved about with the rich and powerful for decades what exactly did Mandy and Epstein talk about or do that made them such good friends? It's seemingly not suggested they merely had a light acquaintance, so take away the pervy and illegal sex connection that presumably made Epstein popular with others, what was the draw to Mandy (other than money, I guess)?
He was just that sparkling a conversationalist, or what?
Money and contacts and deals.
Apparently Epstein and provided advice on the sale of a RBS subsidiary called Sempra Commodities to JP Morgan in 2009 - 2010. Mandelson was Business Secretary for part of this time. Epstein's personal advisor at JP Morgan was Jes Staley, later Barclays CEO, then banned from U.K. finance jobs after lying about his relationship with Epstein.
Thats the key thing with these Epstein files. The elite all know each other, regardless of politics, and think they are untouchable. They enjoy the privileges and believe themselves above the law. Epstein wasn't alone in revelling in these connections, all cemented by trafficked youg women and men and freebie holidays, with a quid pro quo of benefits for friends of Epstein.
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
You comparing the Harry Dunn case to this is extraordinary
No they are the same issue, the Americans refused to allow the woman who was convicted of killing Harry Dunn to come to the UK so we must refuse to allow Andrew to go to the US, even in the unlikely event he is charged.
Otherwise we just look weak to the Yanks. The second woman in question was in her 20s, the UK age of consent is 16
Say what you like about the Royals, when the shit hits the fan (yet again) over the Epstein files, they just make a surprise visit to a parkrun rather than send a carrier force to Iran.
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
You comparing the Harry Dunn case to this is extraordinary
No they are the same issue, they refused to allow the woman who was convicted of killing Harry Dunn to come to the UK so we must refuse to allow Andrew to go to the US, even in the unlikely event he is charged.
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Her son has no royal blood unlike Andrew, he is from a previous marriage before she married Crown Prince Haakon with a convicted drug dealer
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
You comparing the Harry Dunn case to this is extraordinary
No they are the same issue, the Americans refused to allow the woman who was convicted of killing Harry Dunn to come to the UK so we must refuse to allow Andrew to go to the US, even in the unlikely event he is charged.
Otherwise we just look weak to the Yanks. The second woman in question was in her 20s, the UK age of consent is 16
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Her son has no royal blood unlike Andrew, he is from a previous marriage before she married Crown Prince Haakon with a convicted drug dealer
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
You comparing the Harry Dunn case to this is extraordinary
No they are the same issue, the Americans refused to allow the woman who was convicted of killing Harry Dunn to come to the UK so we must refuse to allow Andrew to go to the US, even in the unlikely event he is charged.
Otherwise we just look weak to the Yanks. The second woman in question was in her 20s, the UK age of consent is 16
Shame on you tryong to excuse Andrew
Stop being pathetic, they refused to send Anne Sacoolas here, we refuse to send Andrew there.
A typical exchange while Mandelson was effectively running the government for Gordon Brown.
Epstein suggests to Mandelson that he could many Princess Beatrice and "the queen would have a queen as a grandson". Mandelson responds, "Remember, I am already her Lord President."
Epstein: "does that make it incest , how exciting"
I'm not sure I have ever seen a more savage movie review headline than the Guardian's dismissal of Melania as a "trash remake of The Zone of Interest."
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
You comparing the Harry Dunn case to this is extraordinary
No they are the same issue, the Americans refused to allow the woman who was convicted of killing Harry Dunn to come to the UK so we must refuse to allow Andrew to go to the US, even in the unlikely event he is charged.
Otherwise we just look weak to the Yanks. The second woman in question was in her 20s, the UK age of consent is 16
Shame on you tryong to excuse Andrew
Stop being pathetic, they refused to send Anne Sacoolas here, we refuse to send Andrew there.
It not me that is pathetic
I do not know anyone on this forum that defends Andrew
1) Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the House? 7 2) Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the Senate? 3 3) Number of MSPs won by the SNP at the Holyrood election? 53 4) Number of AMs won by Plaid Cymru at the Senedd election? 38 5) UK Party recording the largest poll lead during 2026 and by what percentage (British Polling Council registered pollsters only)? Reform, 14% lead. 6) Labour’s Projected National Share of the vote based on the 2026 local elections according to the BBC? 15% 7) Number of Reform MPs on the 31st December 2026? 12 8) The name of the UK Prime Minister on 31st December 2026? Keir Starmer 9) Will Andy Burnham will be an MP on 31st December 2026? No 10) UK borrowing in the financial year to November 2026 (£132.3bn to November 2025)? £135.6bn 11) UK GDP growth in the 12 months to October 2026 (1.1% to October 2025)? 0.9% 12) Winners of the 2026 FIFA Men’s World Cup? France
If the Dems gain 3 Senate seats, then I can't see how they aren't +20 in the House.
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
You comparing the Harry Dunn case to this is extraordinary
No they are the same issue, the Americans refused to allow the woman who was convicted of killing Harry Dunn to come to the UK so we must refuse to allow Andrew to go to the US, even in the unlikely event he is charged.
Otherwise we just look weak to the Yanks. The second woman in question was in her 20s, the UK age of consent is 16
Shame on you tryong to excuse Andrew
Stop being pathetic, they refused to send Anne Sacoolas here, we refuse to send Andrew there.
It not me that is pathetic
I do not know anyone on this forum that defends Andrew
Nor do I but you don't cave in to other nations demands when they don't to yours otherwise you look weak and will get walked all over.
Andrew has not even been charged yet anyway and may well never be
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
You comparing the Harry Dunn case to this is extraordinary
No they are the same issue, the Americans refused to allow the woman who was convicted of killing Harry Dunn to come to the UK so we must refuse to allow Andrew to go to the US, even in the unlikely event he is charged.
Otherwise we just look weak to the Yanks. The second woman in question was in her 20s, the UK age of consent is 16
Shame on you tryong to excuse Andrew
Stop being pathetic, they refused to send Anne Sacoolas here, we refuse to send Andrew there.
It not me that is pathetic
I do not know anyone on this forum that defends Andrew
Nor do I but you don't cave in to other nations demands when they don't to yours otherwise you look weak and will get walked all over.
Andrew has not even been charged yet anyway and may well never be
What has that to do with it
He has been asked to provide evidence and Starmer has affirmed he should
If he is innocent then he has no reason not to do so
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
You comparing the Harry Dunn case to this is extraordinary
No they are the same issue, the Americans refused to allow the woman who was convicted of killing Harry Dunn to come to the UK so we must refuse to allow Andrew to go to the US, even in the unlikely event he is charged.
Otherwise we just look weak to the Yanks. The second woman in question was in her 20s, the UK age of consent is 16
Shame on you tryong to excuse Andrew
Stop being pathetic, they refused to send Anne Sacoolas here, we refuse to send Andrew there.
It not me that is pathetic
I do not know anyone on this forum that defends Andrew
Nor do I but you don't cave in to other nations demands when they don't to yours otherwise you look weak and will get walked all over.
Andrew has not even been charged yet anyway and may well never be
"If it wasn't for you pesky kids, I'd have ..."
Oh, wait. I'm 100% thinking of someone else. Don't send in the tanks!
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
You comparing the Harry Dunn case to this is extraordinary
No they are the same issue, the Americans refused to allow the woman who was convicted of killing Harry Dunn to come to the UK so we must refuse to allow Andrew to go to the US, even in the unlikely event he is charged.
Otherwise we just look weak to the Yanks. The second woman in question was in her 20s, the UK age of consent is 16
You're dropping your full stops again. Amongst other things.
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Her son has no royal blood unlike Andrew, he is from a previous marriage before she married Crown Prince Haakon with a convicted drug dealer
Dear me. Look at the allegations about the Crown Princess.
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
Is that because less of the British elite are implicated, whereas in the US there's a closing of the ranks because almost the entire elite are implicated - so a general effect you might see regardless of who was President - or due to the chilling effect the Trump Presidency has had on journalistic independence and scrutiny?
Poor British elites probably mostly don't get invited to the world class sleazy shindigs. No doubt they have their own slightly lesser more desperate affairs, the sex trafficking BAFTAs to the Epstein's Oscars. Andrew could have stayed closer to home.
British politicians have to make do with trysts in Blackpool guest houses.
Is this photo of Andrew the point at which he meets with an unfortunate "accident" ?
Surely the British State can't allow this to go on much longer?
What should be done? It’s unclear that you can secure a successful prosecution, so what do you think should happen? He’s clearly very skeezy, but you need solid evidence of a specific crime.
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Her son has no royal blood unlike Andrew, he is from a previous marriage before she married Crown Prince Haakon with a convicted drug dealer
Dear me. Look at the allegations about the Crown Princess.
Has the Crown Princess been charged with anything? No. Technically she has no royal blood either anyway, she just married a royal
Is this photo of Andrew the point at which he meets with an unfortunate "accident" ?
Surely the British State can't allow this to go on much longer?
In the big scheme of things, he’s still not remotely up there with Putin and his flying monkeys, Trump, Gabbard, Miller, Noem, Bovino, le Pen, Tommy R, Fico, Orban, Xi, many Mullahs, Mohammed Bin Salman, Erdogan etc etc. He’s clearly a shitbag but he’s nowhere near the top of the list of people who need to be dealt with.
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
Is that because less of the British elite are implicated, whereas in the US there's a closing of the ranks because almost the entire elite are implicated - so a general effect you might see regardless of who was President - or due to the chilling effect the Trump Presidency has had on journalistic independence and scrutiny?
Poor British elites probably mostly don't get invited to the world class sleazy shindigs. No doubt they have their own slightly lesser more desperate affairs, the sex trafficking BAFTAs to the Epstein's Oscars. Andrew could have stayed closer to home.
British politicians have to make do with trysts in Blackpool guest houses.
Is this photo of Andrew the point at which he meets with an unfortunate "accident" ?
Surely the British State can't allow this to go on much longer?
He slept with a woman in her 20s, allegedly, and is photographed on top of a woman briefly.
Meanwhile Bill Gates allegedly slept with multiple Russian hookers and got an STI (he denies it), which I would say is the more dramatic news from the new release than the Andrew photo
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
You comparing the Harry Dunn case to this is extraordinary
No they are the same issue, the Americans refused to allow the woman who was convicted of killing Harry Dunn to come to the UK so we must refuse to allow Andrew to go to the US, even in the unlikely event he is charged.
Otherwise we just look weak to the Yanks. The second woman in question was in her 20s, the UK age of consent is 16
Shame on you tryong to excuse Andrew
Stop being pathetic, they refused to send Anne Sacoolas here, we refuse to send Andrew there.
It not me that is pathetic
I do not know anyone on this forum that defends Andrew
Nor do I but you don't cave in to other nations demands when they don't to yours otherwise you look weak and will get walked all over.
Andrew has not even been charged yet anyway and may well never be
What has that to do with it
He has been asked to provide evidence and Starmer has affirmed he should
If he is innocent then he has no reason not to do so
Yes well Starmer is pathetic and weak, certainly there should be no requirement for Andrew to travel to the US even if charged, at most he can do a videolink like Sacoolas did
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Her son has no royal blood unlike Andrew, he is from a previous marriage before she married Crown Prince Haakon with a convicted drug dealer
Dear me. Look at the allegations about the Crown Princess.
Has the Crown Princess been charged with anything? No. Technically she has no royal blood either anyway, she just married a royal
She has not been charged with anything. Media reports have accused her of crimes.
The father of her first child has been found guilty of several crimes. That child has been found guilty on drug charges and faces 32 charges, including rape, in a trial starting next week.
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Her son has no royal blood unlike Andrew, he is from a previous marriage before she married Crown Prince Haakon with a convicted drug dealer
Dear me. Look at the allegations about the Crown Princess.
Has the Crown Princess been charged with anything? No. Technically she has no royal blood either anyway, she just married a royal
She has not been charged with anything. Media reports have accused her of crimes.
The father of her first child has been found guilty of several crimes. That child has been found guilty on drug charges and faces 32 charges, including rape, in a trial starting next week.
Indeed but not one of the above has a drop of royal blood in them. Her son has no royal title and has never performed royal duties
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Prior to her marrying the Crown Prince, she had been in several relationships with drug-trafficking gangsters, one of whom fathered her son, now standing trial.
I find it impossible to fathom how the Norwegian government or royal family could have allowed that marriage. And, impossible to believe that she can be queen, especially in light of her dealings with Epstein.
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
Is that because less of the British elite are implicated, whereas in the US there's a closing of the ranks because almost the entire elite are implicated - so a general effect you might see regardless of who was President - or due to the chilling effect the Trump Presidency has had on journalistic independence and scrutiny?
Poor British elites probably mostly don't get invited to the world class sleazy shindigs. No doubt they have their own slightly lesser more desperate affairs, the sex trafficking BAFTAs to the Epstein's Oscars. Andrew could have stayed closer to home.
British politicians have to make do with trysts in Blackpool guest houses.
Is this photo of Andrew the point at which he meets with an unfortunate "accident" ?
Surely the British State can't allow this to go on much longer?
What should be done? It’s unclear that you can secure a successful prosecution, so what do you think should happen? He’s clearly very skeezy, but you need solid evidence of a specific crime.
It's not for me to judge or decide anything... But we all know how this is going to end don't we?
Obviously you can't have the son of her late Majesty QEII and the brother of the King testifying in a US court under Oath, about alleged sex crimes.
The Establishment/State will just want this all to go away... There's only one way to make that happens really, isn't there?
Remember, Di was bumped off just for partying with the Al Fayeds for a Summer... So... Well... I dunno but I wouldn't want to be AMW life insurance agent at this point... 😂
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Her son has no royal blood unlike Andrew, he is from a previous marriage before she married Crown Prince Haakon with a convicted drug dealer
Dear me. Look at the allegations about the Crown Princess.
Has the Crown Princess been charged with anything? No. Technically she has no royal blood either anyway, she just married a royal
She has not been charged with anything. Media reports have accused her of crimes.
The father of her first child has been found guilty of several crimes. That child has been found guilty on drug charges and faces 32 charges, including rape, in a trial starting next week.
Indeed but not one of the above has a drop of royal blood in them. Her son has no royal title and has never performed royal duties
Is this photo of Andrew the point at which he meets with an unfortunate "accident" ?
Surely the British State can't allow this to go on much longer?
What should be done? It’s unclear that you can secure a successful prosecution, so what do you think should happen? He’s clearly very skeezy, but you need solid evidence of a specific crime.
It's not for me to judge or decide anything... But we all know how this is going to end don't we?
Obviously you can't have the son of her late Majesty QEII and the brother of the King testifying in a US court under Oath, about alleged sex crimes.
The Establishment/State will just want this all to go away... There's only one way to make that happen really, isn't there?
Remember, Di was bumped off just for partying with the Al Fayeds for a Summer... So... Well... I dunno but I wouldn't want to be AMW life insurance agent at this point... 😂
No she was killed by a drunk speeding driver being chased by paps
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Prior to her marrying the Crown Prince, she had been in several relationships with drug-trafficking gangsters, one of whom fathered her son, now standing trial.
I find it impossible to fathom how the Norwegian government or royal family could have allowed that marriage. And, impossible to believe that she can be queen, especially in light of her dealings with Epstein.
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
You comparing the Harry Dunn case to this is extraordinary
No they are the same issue, the Americans refused to allow the woman who was convicted of killing Harry Dunn to come to the UK so we must refuse to allow Andrew to go to the US, even in the unlikely event he is charged.
Otherwise we just look weak to the Yanks. The second woman in question was in her 20s, the UK age of consent is 16
Shame on you tryong to excuse Andrew
Stop being pathetic, they refused to send Anne Sacoolas here, we refuse to send Andrew there.
It not me that is pathetic
I do not know anyone on this forum that defends Andrew
Nor do I but you don't cave in to other nations demands when they don't to yours otherwise you look weak and will get walked all over.
Andrew has not even been charged yet anyway and may well never be
What has that to do with it
He has been asked to provide evidence and Starmer has affirmed he should
If he is innocent then he has no reason not to do so
Yes well Starmer is pathetic and weak, certainly there should be no requirement for Andrew to travel to the US even if charged, at most he can do a videolink like Sacoolas did
There is in the court of public opinion and your comments downplaying Andrew is quite astonishing and frankly ridiculous
Is this photo of Andrew the point at which he meets with an unfortunate "accident" ?
Surely the British State can't allow this to go on much longer?
What should be done? It’s unclear that you can secure a successful prosecution, so what do you think should happen? He’s clearly very skeezy, but you need solid evidence of a specific crime.
It's not for me to judge or decide anything... But we all know how this is going to end don't we?
Obviously you can't have the son of her late Majesty QEII and the brother of the King testifying in a US court under Oath, about alleged sex crimes.
The Establishment/State will just want this all to go away... There's only one way to make that happen really, isn't there?
Remember, Di was bumped off just for partying with the Al Fayeds for a Summer... So... Well... I dunno but I wouldn't want to be AMW life insurance agent at this point... 😂
No she was killed by a drunk speeding driver being chased by paps
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Prior to her marrying the Crown Prince, she had been in several relationships with drug-trafficking gangsters, one of whom fathered her son, now standing trial.
I find it impossible to fathom how the Norwegian government or royal family could have allowed that marriage. And, impossible to believe that she can be queen, especially in light of her dealings with Epstein.
Is this photo of Andrew the point at which he meets with an unfortunate "accident" ?
Surely the British State can't allow this to go on much longer?
What should be done? It’s unclear that you can secure a successful prosecution, so what do you think should happen? He’s clearly very skeezy, but you need solid evidence of a specific crime.
It's not for me to judge or decide anything... But we all know how this is going to end don't we?
Obviously you can't have the son of her late Majesty QEII and the brother of the King testifying in a US court under Oath, about alleged sex crimes.
The Establishment/State will just want this all to go away... There's only one way to make that happen really, isn't there?
Remember, Di was bumped off just for partying with the Al Fayeds for a Summer... So... Well... I dunno but I wouldn't want to be AMW life insurance agent at this point... 😂
No she was killed by a drunk speeding driver being chased by paps
How convenient for all concerned, wasn't it... 😂
We have enough modern day conspiracy theories without dragging up more from the ‘90s.
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
You comparing the Harry Dunn case to this is extraordinary
No they are the same issue, the Americans refused to allow the woman who was convicted of killing Harry Dunn to come to the UK so we must refuse to allow Andrew to go to the US, even in the unlikely event he is charged.
Otherwise we just look weak to the Yanks. The second woman in question was in her 20s, the UK age of consent is 16
Shame on you tryong to excuse Andrew
Stop being pathetic, they refused to send Anne Sacoolas here, we refuse to send Andrew there.
It not me that is pathetic
I do not know anyone on this forum that defends Andrew
Nor do I but you don't cave in to other nations demands when they don't to yours otherwise you look weak and will get walked all over.
Andrew has not even been charged yet anyway and may well never be
What has that to do with it
He has been asked to provide evidence and Starmer has affirmed he should
If he is innocent then he has no reason not to do so
Yes well Starmer is pathetic and weak, certainly there should be no requirement for Andrew to travel to the US even if charged, at most he can do a videolink like Sacoolas did
There is in the court of public opinion and your comments downplaying Andrew is quite astonishing and frankly ridiculous
The court of British public opinion can quite easily be swayed once the Harry Dunn point is made
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Prior to her marrying the Crown Prince, she had been in several relationships with drug-trafficking gangsters, one of whom fathered her son, now standing trial.
I find it impossible to fathom how the Norwegian government or royal family could have allowed that marriage. And, impossible to believe that she can be queen, especially in light of her dealings with Epstein.
Sometimes you just have to let love win.
There used to be such a thing as a mistress I suppose after the male royal married his aristocratic or equally royal second cousin
Absolutely nothing confirmed and currently zero on the mainstream TV channels. But news of multiple bombings targeting IRGC strongholds is flooding in on the Telegram channels. At the risk of sounding like Gillette soccer Saturday, these are the cities:
Bandar Abbas Ahvaz Khorramshahr Abadan Qasr-e Shirin Parand Qeshm Dezful Reports of explosions in places like Qeshm and at the Qom Governor's Office building.
Just to cover my tracks currently waiting for Chris Kamara to verify.
So what sparked the recent unrest in Iran? Could it have been foreign interference? My Dad has these books in his office room I read when I was small, where, before Sov Bloc attacked Mega City One, they sowed chaos and lawlessness in Mega City One, to soften it up and it take its eye off what they were up to.
Block Mania. Still never forgave Orlok for killing Judge Giant
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Her son has no royal blood unlike Andrew, he is from a previous marriage before she married Crown Prince Haakon with a convicted drug dealer
Dear me. Look at the allegations about the Crown Princess.
You wonder what Haakon thought his wife was up to whilst he was away opening hospitals and meeting pensioners on state visits
Likewise why on earth did no one from the UK Royal household think it wise to have the Duke of York hang about the UK more/try to help the family name rather than go on jollies to Epstein island constantly. I guess that's the late Queens soft spot for her son shining through, and its going to bite them on the backside.
The obvious post release deletion in the most recent dump of documents and the hypocrisy from the US authorities in being reticent to go after individuals in their own country will ensure this row rumbles on.
King Chuck isn't getting much luck with his brother - you wonder how much the rest of the royals knew what was going on?
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Her son has no royal blood unlike Andrew, he is from a previous marriage before she married Crown Prince Haakon with a convicted drug dealer
Dear me. Look at the allegations about the Crown Princess.
You wonder what Haakon thought his wife was up to whilst he was away opening hospitals and meeting pensioners on state visits
Likewise why on earth did no one from the UK Royal household think it wise to have the Duke of York hang about the UK more/try to help the family name rather than go on jollies to Epstein island constantly. I guess that's the late Queens soft spot for her son shining through, and its going to bite them on the backside.
The obvious post release deletion in the most recent dump of documents and the hypocrisy from the US authorities in being reticent to go after individuals in their own country will ensure this row rumbles on.
King Chuck isn't getting much luck with his brother - you wonder how much the rest of the royals knew what was going on?
No more than most of the American wealthy elite and half the British elite who socialised with Epstein knew I expect and the King never even met him
Anyway if we think Andrew M-W is embarrassing, what has come out about the Norwegian Crown Princess and her son, currently facing 38 charges, 4 of them for rape, and Epstein is far worse.
Her son has no royal blood unlike Andrew, he is from a previous marriage before she married Crown Prince Haakon with a convicted drug dealer
Dear me. Look at the allegations about the Crown Princess.
Has the Crown Princess been charged with anything? No. Technically she has no royal blood either anyway, she just married a royal
She has not been charged with anything. Media reports have accused her of crimes.
The father of her first child has been found guilty of several crimes. That child has been found guilty on drug charges and faces 32 charges, including rape, in a trial starting next week.
Yep, as far as I can see it is Prince Haakon's stepson?
According to wiki, she (the Crown Princess) has been accused of obstructing the investigation into her son by destroying evidence. She herself is named over 1,000 times in the Epstein documents, and seems to have maintained a connection with Epstein after his conviction, so clearly has questions to answer
Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.
Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs. https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223
No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do. https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435
Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
The Americans refused to send Anne Sacoolas here so we should refuse to send Andrew there, not that they have found anything to charge him with yet anyway
Surprised you are defending Andrew in this shocking story of debauchery
And what about the victims who need answers ?
Harry Dunn's parents got no answers from Anne Sacoolas in the UK, only after much effort from a US videolink to a UK court
You comparing the Harry Dunn case to this is extraordinary
No they are the same issue, the Americans refused to allow the woman who was convicted of killing Harry Dunn to come to the UK so we must refuse to allow Andrew to go to the US, even in the unlikely event he is charged.
Otherwise we just look weak to the Yanks. The second woman in question was in her 20s, the UK age of consent is 16
Shame on you tryong to excuse Andrew
Stop being pathetic, they refused to send Anne Sacoolas here, we refuse to send Andrew there.
It not me that is pathetic
I do not know anyone on this forum that defends Andrew
Nor do I but you don't cave in to other nations demands when they don't to yours otherwise you look weak and will get walked all over.
Andrew has not even been charged yet anyway and may well never be
What has that to do with it
He has been asked to provide evidence and Starmer has affirmed he should
If he is innocent then he has no reason not to do so
People are not obliged to defend themselves, and if we can avoid even having to do so I'm sure many of us would take that opportunity, on a purely selfish level. It does, however, come with a reputational and moral hit, because I think from what we've seen we all draw some pretty clear conclusions about the probability of Andrew doing some pretty skeevy things, and any pressure that can be put on him to come clean would be fair game.
It's notable that the British individuals involved are facing way more scrutiny, and consequences, than their US counterparts.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. .. https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
Is that because less of the British elite are implicated, whereas in the US there's a closing of the ranks because almost the entire elite are implicated - so a general effect you might see regardless of who was President - or due to the chilling effect the Trump Presidency has had on journalistic independence and scrutiny?
Poor British elites probably mostly don't get invited to the world class sleazy shindigs. No doubt they have their own slightly lesser more desperate affairs, the sex trafficking BAFTAs to the Epstein's Oscars. Andrew could have stayed closer to home.
British politicians have to make do with trysts in Blackpool guest houses.
Is this photo of Andrew the point at which he meets with an unfortunate "accident" ?
Surely the British State can't allow this to go on much longer?
What should be done? It’s unclear that you can secure a successful prosecution, so what do you think should happen? He’s clearly very skeezy, but you need solid evidence of a specific crime.
It's not for me to judge or decide anything... But we all know how this is going to end don't we?
Obviously you can't have the son of her late Majesty QEII and the brother of the King testifying in a US court under Oath, about alleged sex crimes.
The Establishment/State will just want this all to go away... There's only one way to make that happen really, isn't there?
Remember, Di was bumped off just for partying with the Al Fayeds for a Summer... So... Well... I dunno but I wouldn't want to be AMW life insurance agent at this point... 😂
No she was killed by a drunk speeding driver being chased by paps
You'll be telling me next that it wasn't Stanley Kubrick who filmed Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin walking on a moonscape in cotton canvas clothing.*
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He was just that sparkling a conversationalist, or what?
I imagine yours were a lot more sedate than Epstein’s, to put it mildly
Interesting that by the late 18th century it was easier to rally opposition by blaming the Monarch, rather than his advisors, in a reversal of the previous pattern in times medieval and early modern.
I think George III's most significant political intervention was in blocking much of the proposed Catholic Emancipation at the time of the Act of Union with Ireland, which isn't a great legacy, though you could argue it was a matter of him taking his Coronation Oath seriously.
The New York Times had a three-hour interview with Trump and didn’t ask about Epstein. Today, the bombshell release of new files didn’t make the front page. ..
https://x.com/samyoungman/status/2017655741033955624
Peter likes money more than most, but that's an antisemitic trope that's been going on for centuries, I suspect somebody should have intervened and said after the mortgage problems and told Mandy to live within your bloody means.
He was an MP and Minister for some of this time. Did he fail to reveal payments in the Commons register of interests? Or to the ethics person? Or did he tell other Labour people and, if so, who?
The only insurrection we have seen is the one Trump was encouraging on January 6th 2021
I’ve been to many house parties over a long weekend where everyone is wandering around in various states of undress and nobody thinks anything of it - there is an understanding that even if people are unclothed it doesn’t mean they are up for it etc.
If we are somewhere hot then people are wearing less. The crime in that photo is that he is looking terrible by wearing pants and a t-shirt however if he was wearing a nice pair of boxers and had thrown on a linen shirt then it would appear totally unremarkable however he is always someone who seems to have no style so explains why he is wearing, unashamedly, what he is.
Maybe I’ve had a weird life not absolutely nothing unusual amongst my friends that you all wake up on such a weekend and pile onto bed and work out what happened the night before in a range of jimjams, pants, swimwear etc. it doesn’t make us perverted criminals, just relaxed in our environment.
There is something deeply broken in this country when the Department of Justice is arresting journalists but letting pedophiles run free.
https://x.com/jamestalarico/status/2017671125489049994
Rule of law is for suckers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clymxxlm3xzo
This should be a huge national story. A conservative judge released a list of 96 times—which he said is an undercount—that ICE violated court orders in January alone. The government is illegally imprisoning people without due process. You can’t reconcile that with law & order.
https://x.com/billybinion/status/2017652768261996620
It’s the entire elite
50 year old men in pants with early 20s women in bathrobe? Hmm
And this isn’t Barbados. It’s a rich urban environment with slightly generic taste-free rich man’s third house decor. I’d bet money it’s Epstein’s NYC gaff
Tbh I think much of the American press know this isn't going anywhere: most people assume that Trump was involved in this, yet it's obvious he's not going to get impeached for it. That doesn't generate many clicks, perhaps? I haven't bothered to read any articles save the BBC one.
Saying it’s “almost the entire elite” is giving an excuse to those who were involved.
All of these North Korean-style cabinet meetings start to hit differently when you consider that Trump could have blackmail on each one of them.
https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2017669817801621689?s=20
Apparently Epstein and provided advice on the sale of a RBS subsidiary called Sempra Commodities to JP Morgan in 2009 - 2010. Mandelson was Business Secretary for part of this time. Epstein's personal advisor at JP Morgan was Jes Staley, later Barclays CEO, then banned from U.K. finance jobs after lying about his relationship with Epstein.
Like the mad gay great uncle at parties wandering around in his pants seeing who wants to go and see some ancient ruins before everyone gets ready for the evening’s bacchanalia.
NEW -- House Republicans likely to add spending package to Rules meeting to Monday, signaling they will try to pass the spending bills on their own.
This means Johnson is going to have to find 218 for a rule, the 5-bill package and DHS.
Monday is going to be very interesting
https://x.com/JakeSherman/status/2017735963921842434?s=20
Also, this
“The director of a Massachusetts Institute of Technology research lab who resigned from the university over his ties to Jeffrey Epstein has also resigned from the boards of The New York Times Co. and of two foundations.
Times publisher A.G. Sulzberger and the company’s president, Mark Thompson, said in a companywide email Saturday that former Media Lab director Joi Ito has resigned from the board “effective immediately”
I know you'll think me weird - but this is just off and icky and embarrassing.
The latter especially was a great freebie break for him during the British winter and if there were no handsome poolboys there for him to admire (from afar I am sure) who happened to be there at the same time, then I am a Chinaman
And what about the victims who need answers ?
They are two separate issues
You need to stop defending the indefensible
BBC News - Second Epstein victim claims she was sent to UK for sex with Andrew, lawyer says
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clymxxlm3xzo
I’ve been to a few sex parties and very hedonistic weekends and that photo, to me, screams “bleary-eyed sunny New York morning after a debauched night before”. She’s fresh out of the shower, he’s just out of bed, they’ve all been intimate in different ways. Guards are down
And of course none of this is remotely illegal. This is two adults in a room 🤷🏼♂️
But it does rather undermine Mandy’s already-ludicrous “I’m gay so I saw nothing” defence
NB. You also make another good point. Why take a photo of this? Who took the photo? Of this???
That too is “off”
Otherwise we just look weak to the Yanks. The second woman in question was in her 20s, the UK age of consent is 16
https://x.com/chrisshipitv/status/2017611866902614359?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
You have lost it
Epstein suggests to Mandelson that he could many Princess Beatrice and "the queen would have a queen as a grandson". Mandelson responds, "Remember, I am already her Lord President."
Epstein: "does that make it incest , how exciting"
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 9/EFTA00884649.pdf
I'm not sure I have ever seen a more savage movie review headline than the Guardian's dismissal of Melania as a "trash remake of The Zone of Interest."
I do not know anyone on this forum that defends Andrew
(Although I guess Alaska is a complete wildcard.)
Andrew has not even been charged yet anyway and may well never be
He has been asked to provide evidence and Starmer has affirmed he should
If he is innocent then he has no reason not to do so
Oh, wait. I'm 100% thinking of someone else. Don't send in the tanks!
Surely the British State can't allow this to go on much longer?
Sheesh. Move along.
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Meanwhile Bill Gates allegedly slept with multiple Russian hookers and got an STI (he denies it), which I would say is the more dramatic news from the new release than the Andrew photo
The father of her first child has been found guilty of several crimes. That child has been found guilty on drug charges and faces 32 charges, including rape, in a trial starting next week.
I find it impossible to fathom how the Norwegian government or royal family could have allowed that marriage. And, impossible to believe that she can be queen, especially in light of her dealings with Epstein.
Obviously you can't have the son of her late Majesty QEII and the brother of the King testifying in a US court under Oath, about alleged sex crimes.
The Establishment/State will just want this all to go away... There's only one way to make that happens really, isn't there?
Remember, Di was bumped off just for partying with the Al Fayeds for a Summer... So... Well... I dunno but I wouldn't want to be AMW life insurance agent at this point... 😂
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Likewise why on earth did no one from the UK Royal household think it wise to have the Duke of York hang about the UK more/try to help the family name rather than go on jollies to Epstein island constantly. I guess that's the late Queens soft spot for her son shining through, and its going to bite them on the backside.
The obvious post release deletion in the most recent dump of documents and the hypocrisy from the US authorities in being reticent to go after individuals in their own country will ensure this row rumbles on.
King Chuck isn't getting much luck with his brother - you wonder how much the rest of the royals knew what was going on?
According to wiki, she (the Crown Princess) has been accused of obstructing the investigation into her son by destroying evidence. She herself is named over 1,000 times in the Epstein documents, and seems to have maintained a connection with Epstein after his conviction, so clearly has questions to answer
* I've seen Capricorn One.