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  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,316
    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,339
    Leon said:

    Kamala has been pictured drinking wine while playing with kids (NO, NOT IN AN EPSTEIN FILES WAY, YOU SICK PUPPY)

    This is meant to be damning. But, every single person responding is saying “jeez, this makes me like her more”, “playing endless board games is dull - you need a drink”. Etc etc

    I tend to agree with this. First time I’ve ever felt proper empathy for her

    https://x.com/hoopss/status/2017271877656273083?s=46

    Who drinks booze while playing board games with Der Kidz?

    I DO
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,117

    Leon said:

    Kamala has been pictured drinking wine while playing with kids (NO, NOT IN AN EPSTEIN FILES WAY, YOU SICK PUPPY)

    This is meant to be damning. But, every single person responding is saying “jeez, this makes me like her more”, “playing endless board games is dull - you need a drink”. Etc etc

    I tend to agree with this. First time I’ve ever felt proper empathy for her

    https://x.com/hoopss/status/2017271877656273083?s=46

    Who drinks booze while playing board games with Der Kidz?

    I DO
    The one I saw was "who drinks wine while playing games with their kids? Anybody that has run out of Gin"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,316

    Leon said:

    Kamala has been pictured drinking wine while playing with kids (NO, NOT IN AN EPSTEIN FILES WAY, YOU SICK PUPPY)

    This is meant to be damning. But, every single person responding is saying “jeez, this makes me like her more”, “playing endless board games is dull - you need a drink”. Etc etc

    I tend to agree with this. First time I’ve ever felt proper empathy for her

    https://x.com/hoopss/status/2017271877656273083?s=46

    Who drinks booze while playing board games with Der Kidz?

    I DO
    Who DOESN’T need a large glass of chilled Tokaji to get you through the seventh round of Cluedo
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,339
    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Just for anyone interested.

    “In a significant update to the modernization of the British Army’s dismounted capabilities, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed that Project GRAYBURN will serve as a comprehensive overhaul of the service's entire small arms portfolio. On January 23, 2026, Defence Minister Luke Pollard clarified that while the program is primarily recognized as the successor to the SA80 rifle family, its scope has been expanded to encompass the full range of dismounted close combat weapons, including pistols, personal defense weapons, and machine guns. This unified framework is intended to replace aging platforms ahead of the 2030 out-of-service date for the L85A3, ensuring a seamless transition to a modern, integrated weapon system.

    Currently in its concept phase, Project GRAYBURN is focusing on a modular "common architecture" that will likely yield five distinct variants. These include a standard dismounted close combat rifle, a short variant, a personal defense weapon to replace the L22 carbine, a generalist rifle for support roles, and a dedicated cadet weapon. Following strategic direction from the Joint Requirements Oversight Committee (JROC), the Ministry of Defence is placing a heavy emphasis on sovereign resilience, with the project explicitly targeting UK-based manufacture. This move aims to revitalize the nation’s domestic small arms industry and create skilled employment, shifting away from the import-reliant model of the last two decades.

    Technical requirements for the new suite are being heavily influenced by lessons from recent high-end conflicts, with a primary focus on defeating modern body armor and improving environmental reliability. While the specific caliber remains a subject of intense debate, the program is evaluating the lethality of the standard 5.56mm NATO round against emerging 6.8mm alternatives similar to the U.S. Army’s Next Generation Squad Weapon. Additionally, the new platforms will feature built-in signature reduction technologies and an open architecture designed for "spiral development." This allows for the rapid integration of advanced daylight optics, thermal clip-ons, and networked fire control systems, ensuring the British infantry remains lethal and adaptable through 2045 and beyond.”

    I’ve read a lot about how the old idea about smaller calibre rounds causing injury to tie up enemy troops rather than killing is going out of fashion.

    So they’re discussing five different types of new guns, when the current land war is being won by drones?
    They are kinda useful. Drones have killed many but guns are still essential.
    The army has plenty of guns already. New guns aren’t the priority.
    The current ones are wearing out.

    They need to be replaced.

    They will probably buy an AR platform from SIG. Hopefully. That will work and cost less than 3 trillion.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,427
    Leon said:

    I don't know how Epstein kept up with being best buddies with basically every rich and famous person in the world.

    My conclusion is that he was genuinely smart, well-read, agreeable, generous and charming. You’d want him as a friend anyway. So the *massive free orgies on a private island* were like an amazing cherry on the cake

    Who doesn’t want to pop a cherry?
    Unripe ones not so much.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,324
    Britain Elects poll tracker at the end of January

    REF: 29%
    LAB: 19%
    CON: 19%
    GRN: 14%
    LDEM: 13%
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,488
    I hope there's a good look at Mandelson.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,406
    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    WRT Epstein, why on earth did the Norwegian government allow their Crown Prince to marry someone so obviously unsuited to the role of future Queen?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,449
    Two councillors, formerly Reform UK, join Advance UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3zy18vn0o
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,316
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    WRT Epstein, why on earth did the Norwegian government allow their Crown Prince to marry someone so obviously unsuited to the role of future Queen?
    I wonder if the Finland Rumour is true, after all?

    Fits in with the Epstein Files
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,324
    edited January 31
    Sultanarama has a cunning plan:

    "The upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election will be held on 26 February, the same day as the CEC elections. As decisions on election candidates are to be be made by the CEC, Your Party will not field a candidate for Gorton and Denton."

    What a bunch of clowns.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,351
    If Starmer wants Andrew Mountbatten Windsor to.testify in America.. should not there be questions and interviews as to why Starmer's properties were attacked, by whom and what was behind it?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,077
    LibDems now working in marketing!


  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,406
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    WRT Epstein, why on earth did the Norwegian government allow their Crown Prince to marry someone so obviously unsuited to the role of future Queen?
    I wonder if the Finland Rumour is true, after all?

    Fits in with the Epstein Files
    Although it’s foul, there’s an awful part of me that wishes the Finland Rumour was true.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,316

    If Starmer wants Andrew Mountbatten Windsor to.testify in America.. should not there be questions and interviews as to why Starmer's properties were attacked, by whom and what was behind it?

    Good point

    Do tell us about these five men, several of them young male models, who inexplicably attacked you car, Skyr? Or is that also REDACTED?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,009
    edited January 31

    If Starmer wants Andrew Mountbatten Windsor to.testify in America.. should not there be questions and interviews as to why Starmer's properties were attacked, by whom and what was behind it?

    Leon said:

    If Starmer wants Andrew Mountbatten Windsor to.testify in America.. should not there be questions and interviews as to why Starmer's properties were attacked, by whom and what was behind it?

    Good point

    Do tell us about these five men, several of them young male models, who inexplicably attacked you car, Skyr? Or is that also REDACTED?
    You guys, you know there's something called sub judice?

    If it's funny that the Russian trolls try and keep pushing this narrative.

    But you'll have to wait for the trial(s).
  • Two councillors, formerly Reform UK, join Advance UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3zy18vn0o

    Splitters to my left, splitters to my right...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,324
    rcs1000 said:

    LibDems now working in marketing!


    That graphic reminds me of standing in Tesco as a student, working out which bottle of wine provided the most alcohol per pound.

    It was usually a close run thing between Liebfraumilch and Hock.

    Not that we wanted to drink wine, but it was expected at formal meals.
  • Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    WRT Epstein, why on earth did the Norwegian government allow their Crown Prince to marry someone so obviously unsuited to the role of future Queen?
    I wonder if the Finland Rumour is true, after all?

    Fits in with the Epstein Files
    Oh God. Not again. Some of us are still waiting to find out what the Finland Rumour is/was.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,146

    Two councillors, formerly Reform UK, join Advance UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3zy18vn0o

    Splitters to my left, splitters to my right...
    Clowns to the right of me, jokers to the left…
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,324
    #competition

    25
    4
    52
    45
    Reform 12%
    24.5
    7
    Keir Starmer
    No
    £124bn
    1.2%
    Brazil
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,316
    edited January 31
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    WRT Epstein, why on earth did the Norwegian government allow their Crown Prince to marry someone so obviously unsuited to the role of future Queen?
    I wonder if the Finland Rumour is true, after all?

    Fits in with the Epstein Files
    Although it’s foul, there’s an awful part of me that wishes the Finland Rumour was true.
    I’m coming round to the idea the Finland Rumour is true, again. Or at least true enough to be 😶
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,210
    A Spanish politician from Podemos rants about how she wants to replace facsists with immigrants. Amusingly, the Spanish slang term for facsist sounds like Fatcha.

    https://x.com/adais_casares/status/2017660859904913877
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,934
    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.

    Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs.
    https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223

    No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do.
    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,445
    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    In which case, the question of who is the most senior American untained by the Epstein Files becomes worth speculating on.

    I imagine it's their equivalent of David Attenborough or Alan Titchmarsh.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,427
    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,449

    A Spanish politician from Podemos rants about how she wants to replace facsists with immigrants. Amusingly, the Spanish slang term for facsist sounds like Fatcha.

    https://x.com/adais_casares/status/2017660859904913877

    Given fascists killed 300,000 or more Spaniards in the twentieth century, you can see why she would be keen to get rid of them. It sounds like a good deal to me.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,679
    edited January 31
  • I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,530
    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    The interestring notion is that the three million pages not yet handed over are the ones that truly damn Trump.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,316
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.

    Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs.
    https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223

    No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do.
    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435

    I’m probably wishcasting TBH, but this does feel
    a bit “fin de regime” - doesn’t matter if you’re left or right, Dem or Rep, British Prince or Slovak Minister, wheel out the guillotine?

    Of course the fact Epstein brilliantly implicated the entire elite will probably protect them, as they protect each other, until the end of time

    Just one modest example, why hasn’t anyone given Mandelson a true and proper grilling over this. What did he mean by “yummy” in his ugly emails? Why aren’t British police looking even slightly interested?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,934
    Sorry, but whatever the truth of the allegations, this is quite funny.

    Yet another Microsoft product full of viruses:
    https://x.com/NotKennyRogers/status/2017382013129404653
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,117
    @ryanenos.bsky.social‬

    This is the most extraordinary judicial opinion I have ever read. It equates the actions of Donald Trump with George III.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ryanenos.bsky.social/post/3mdqqs7ffbc2r
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,973
    edited January 31
    Omnium said:

    I hope there's a good look at Mandelson.

    The money paid to his husband is curious. A gift (it has been described as payment for an osteopathy course) is not taxable in the hands of the recipient. So if it was a gift why disguise it as a loan? The only reason for doing so is because it was income which would be taxable. But that would imply either (1) Epstein was paying Mandelson's husband for work (?) or (2) paying him some income for another reason. Why?

    It is odd and the explanation so far given does not make sense. I may be missing something.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,117
    @thetnholler.bsky.social‬

    reminder: Jeffrey Epstein invoked the Fifth when asked about Trump and underage girls

    https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3mdqt2q6rhc2q
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,210
    Scott_xP said:

    @ryanenos.bsky.social‬

    This is the most extraordinary judicial opinion I have ever read. It equates the actions of Donald Trump with George III.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ryanenos.bsky.social/post/3mdqqs7ffbc2r

    That validates Truss's take that there in an insurrection against Trump.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,316

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    In which case, the question of who is the most senior American untained by the Epstein Files becomes worth speculating on.

    I imagine it's their equivalent of David Attenborough or Alan Titchmarsh.
    Actually - and I don’t wish to frighten you - it’s probably Vance. He’s already VP

    But he’s too young to be implicated, and he’d never have been invited because he was poor white Appalachian chubby trash until recently
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,679
    Cyclefree said:

    Omnium said:

    I hope there's a good look at Mandelson.

    The money paid to his husband is curious. A gift (it has been described as payment for an osteopathy course) is not taxable in the hands of the recipient. So if it was a gift why disguise it as a loan? The only reason for doing so is because it was income which would be taxable. But that would imply either (1) Epstein was paying Mandelson's husband for work (?) or (2) paying him some income for another reason. Why?

    It is odd and the explanation so far given does not make sense. I may be missing something.
    Now there is another $50k that Epstein sent Petie which he says can't remember, no idea.
  • I did not have a photograph of Mandelson in his y-fronts on my bingo card for this year.

    And yet somehow I’m unsurprised.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,872
    Scott_xP said:

    @ryanenos.bsky.social‬

    This is the most extraordinary judicial opinion I have ever read. It equates the actions of Donald Trump with George III.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ryanenos.bsky.social/post/3mdqqs7ffbc2r

    Wow you weren’t wrong !
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,271
    edited January 31
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.

    Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs.
    https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223

    No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do.
    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435

    Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.

    If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
  • #competition

    First time I've given this a go:

    Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the House?
    16
    Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the Senate?
    3
    Number of MSPs won by the SNP at the Holyrood election?
    58
    Number of AMs won by Plaid Cymru at the Senedd election?
    38
    UK Party recording the largest poll lead during 2026 and by what percentage (British Polling Council registered pollsters only)?
    Reform 15%
    Labour’s Projected National Share of the vote based on the 2026 local elections according to the BBC?
    17%
    Number of Reform MPs on the 31st December 2026?
    12
    The name of the UK Prime Minister on 31st December 2026?
    Angela Rayner
    Will Andy Burnham will be an MP on 31st December 2026?
    No
    UK borrowing in the financial year to November 2026 (£132.3bn to November 2025)?
    £138.5bn
    UK GDP growth in the 12 months to October 2026 (1.1% to October 2025)?
    0.6%
    Winners of the 2026 FIFA Men’s World Cup?
    Spain
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,934

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    In which case, the question of who is the most senior American untained by the Epstein Files becomes worth speculating on.

    I imagine it's their equivalent of David Attenborough or Alan Titchmarsh.
    I don't think he knew quite that many politicians.

    But there wouldn't be much left of the current administration, and the older party elites on both sides would be massively winnowed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,934
    Scott_xP said:

    @ryanenos.bsky.social‬

    This is the most extraordinary judicial opinion I have ever read. It equates the actions of Donald Trump with George III.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ryanenos.bsky.social/post/3mdqqs7ffbc2r

    Unfair to George.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,868
    edited January 31

    Scott_xP said:

    @ryanenos.bsky.social‬

    This is the most extraordinary judicial opinion I have ever read. It equates the actions of Donald Trump with George III.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ryanenos.bsky.social/post/3mdqqs7ffbc2r

    That validates Truss's take that there in an insurrection against Trump.
    That only makes sense if you accept Trump's very inflated view of the unhindered nature of Executive power, and therefore judges ruling strongly against him as insurrection.

    The Supreme Court may yet surprise by agreeing with his interpretation, but until it does it would hardly be insurrection for american jurists to conclude that the President has been exceeding his authority, given he is pretty open about testing the limits of power to find where the line is.

    It's a really dumb view, in other words, but I appreciate you're working hard here.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,427

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    I’ve asked this before but why were all these people constantly taking photos of each other? It seems an extra level of mentalness over and above the dodgy sex, bribery, blackmail etc.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,679
    edited January 31
    The big question that is still unanswered was noncy mcnoncy face just enjoy managing a million "friendships" with all these famous people, which it appears he kept incredible amount of material about, or was there more to it. And if he was collecting kompromat, who for.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,868
    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    1793 style? Well, it would certainly shake things up, but I cannot see the techbros being very happy just as they were ready to spring their corporatist dystopia on us all.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,316
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.

    Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs.
    https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223

    No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do.
    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435

    Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
    Nice attempt to lasso Musk but AFAICS there is not a shred of evidence Musk went to pedo island. Just a few emails talking about parties

    If a photo or flight log appears, then that’s different. But Musk has a lot of enemies - he rubs people the wrong way - and if there really was something, I imagine it would have emerged by now
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,973

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,868
    Scott_xP said:

    @thetnholler.bsky.social‬

    reminder: Jeffrey Epstein invoked the Fifth when asked about Trump and underage girls

    https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3mdqt2q6rhc2q

    That doesn't really mean anything to me without knowing whether he, say, invoked the fifth on basically everything.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,973
    edited January 31
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    In which case, the question of who is the most senior American untained by the Epstein Files becomes worth speculating on.

    I imagine it's their equivalent of David Attenborough or Alan Titchmarsh.
    I don't think he knew quite that many politicians.

    But there wouldn't be much left of the current administration, and the older party elites on both sides would be massively winnowed.
    That sounds like huge improvement.

    Though Vance ..... eeek!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,891
    Scott_xP said:

    @ryanenos.bsky.social‬

    This is the most extraordinary judicial opinion I have ever read. It equates the actions of Donald Trump with George III.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ryanenos.bsky.social/post/3mdqqs7ffbc2r

    One for the history books.

    Note that the Warden of the prison is one John Doe.

    Really??
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,316

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    You should. It’s much funnier
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,117
    @DanNeidle

    NEW: Previously unreported Epstein emails show Peter Mandelson discussing a Panama-linked tax avoidance structure for a £2.4m Rio apartment - with Epstein as his "chief life adviser".

    Exclusive Tax Policy Associates report:

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/2017717805005566309?s=20
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,868
    Mandelson really has no defence that I can think of for his associations here. Unlike others he cannot even pull the 'I didn't know what he was like' line, given he continued associating with him after initial conviction.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,271
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.

    Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs.
    https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223

    No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do.
    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435

    Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.

    If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
    Seriously escalating for Andrew now, just got another push notification. The King needs to buy him a one-way ticket.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,271
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.

    Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs.
    https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223

    No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do.
    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435

    Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
    Nice attempt to lasso Musk but AFAICS there is not a shred of evidence Musk went to pedo island. Just a few emails talking about parties

    If a photo or flight log appears, then that’s different. But Musk has a lot of enemies - he rubs people the wrong way - and if there really was something, I imagine it would have emerged by now
    Yes, you're right. He attempted to go to the island but got rejected (lol).
  • How on earth was Epstein allowed to continue his debauchery over years

    Andrew and Mandelson should both give evidence but many more as well

    This must be the biggest scandal of its kind and what does it say of the elite

    I fear what comes next and not least what happens to Trump and how he reacts

    What a time we are living in
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,117
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    In which case, the question of who is the most senior American untained by the Epstein Files becomes worth speculating on.

    I imagine it's their equivalent of David Attenborough or Alan Titchmarsh.
    Actually - and I don’t wish to frighten you - it’s probably Vance. He’s already VP

    But he’s too young to be implicated, and he’d never have been invited because he was poor white Appalachian chubby trash until recently
    Vance has his own Epstein problem

    https://bsky.app/profile/leahmcelrath.bsky.social/post/3mdqpsz7xc22i

    Did they buy his silence?
  • I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    I’ve asked this before but why were all these people constantly taking photos of each other? It seems an extra level of mentalness over and above the dodgy sex, bribery, blackmail etc.
    This was the era when camera phones became more prevalent (and then able to decent pictures), there was novelty value.

    It's what led to sexting.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,868

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    WRT Epstein, why on earth did the Norwegian government allow their Crown Prince to marry someone so obviously unsuited to the role of future Queen?
    I wonder if the Finland Rumour is true, after all?

    Fits in with the Epstein Files
    Oh God. Not again. Some of us are still waiting to find out what the Finland Rumour is/was.
    Well, don't abandon hope, we may still yet find out.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,117
    EPSTEIN SURVIVORS: “This is a betrayal of the very people this process is supposed to serve… This is not over. We will not stop until the truth is fully revealed and every perpetrator is finally held accountable.”

    https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3mdqtk46kac2q
  • Leon said:

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    You should. It’s much funnier
    One of the real joys of editing PB is choosing the picture for headers.

    This one is my all time favourite, no it's not the Farage/shorts photo.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Trump.jpg
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,406
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.

    Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs.
    https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223

    No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do.
    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435

    Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.

    If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
    Imagine if Andrew spends the rest of his life in a Supermax prison.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,146

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    I’ve asked this before but why were all these people constantly taking photos of each other? It seems an extra level of mentalness over and above the dodgy sex, bribery, blackmail etc.
    To be fair, if I was a member of the global governing elite my photo album on my phone would be quite the story. Naked pool parties, fun with girlfriends, etc, sometimes you just want a memento of good times. But I would never allow a photo in pants and a t-shirt - just a bit grim.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,868

    Two councillors, formerly Reform UK, join Advance UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3zy18vn0o

    Described as being too extreme for Reform, I can't imagine the leadership will be heartbroken.

    Though from the description one of them just seems like a classic hard to work with person (might have been different if the claims had been proven).

    Hill, member for Pinhoe and Mincinglake, was thrown out of Reform UK for publishing a letter about free school meals in the name of all Reform UK Devon councillors without their consent.

    He also reported colleagues to the police over claims of overspending on election expenses, which saw two Reform councillors and their agent go to the High Court to successfully clear their names.

    Announcing his move to Advance UK, Hill said he had been expelled from Reform after attempting to uphold principles of "accountability, responsibility and honesty, including holding our own candidates to the same standards we expect of others".


    Pinhoe and mincinglake is a great electoral ward name though.

    Who visits a place like mincinglake I wonder?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,146
    Scott_xP said:

    @ryanenos.bsky.social‬

    This is the most extraordinary judicial opinion I have ever read. It equates the actions of Donald Trump with George III.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ryanenos.bsky.social/post/3mdqqs7ffbc2r

    Wasn’t George 3 more constrained by parliament than Trump is constrained?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,868
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.

    Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs.
    https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223

    No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do.
    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435

    Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.

    If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
    It would be for the best for everyone if he were.

    I'm sure he'd take down a lot of others along the way, but without claiming criminal burden of proof, he's obviously got a lot to answer.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,316
    Cyclefree said:

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
    My pro guess as a fairly debauched person that knows some very rich louche people?

    That’s a photo taken at Epstein’s New York townhouse the morning after a fun sex party. They’ve all been naked together, so the need for “proper attire” falls away

    Which, of course, does not imply any illegality at all. Just libertinism. But it’s still not a great photo for The Mandelbot Set
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,934
    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    In which case, the question of who is the most senior American untained by the Epstein Files becomes worth speculating on.

    I imagine it's their equivalent of David Attenborough or Alan Titchmarsh.
    I don't think he knew quite that many politicians.

    But there wouldn't be much left of the current administration, and the older party elites on both sides would be massively winnowed.
    That sounds like huge improvement.

    Though Vance ..... eeek!
    Stephen Miller would probably be untouched, too.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,868
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.

    Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs.
    https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223

    No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do.
    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435

    Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
    Nice attempt to lasso Musk but AFAICS there is not a shred of evidence Musk went to pedo island. Just a few emails talking about parties

    If a photo or flight log appears, then that’s different. But Musk has a lot of enemies - he rubs people the wrong way - and if there really was something, I imagine it would have emerged by now
    Yes, you're right. He attempted to go to the island but got rejected (lol).
    The man has decent luck on his side, have to give him that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,934
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ryanenos.bsky.social‬

    This is the most extraordinary judicial opinion I have ever read. It equates the actions of Donald Trump with George III.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ryanenos.bsky.social/post/3mdqqs7ffbc2r

    That validates Truss's take that there in an insurrection against Trump.
    That only makes sense if you accept Trump's very inflated view of the unhindered nature of Executive power, and therefore judges ruling strongly against him as insurrection.

    The Supreme Court may yet surprise by agreeing with his interpretation, but until it does it would hardly be insurrection for american jurists to conclude that the President has been exceeding his authority, given he is pretty open about testing the limits of power to find where the line is.

    It's a really dumb view, in other words, but I appreciate you're working hard here.
    Stripping the rhetoric out of the opinion, this part is rock solid constitutional law.

    ..Civics lesson to the government: Administrative warrants issued by the executive branch to itself do not pass probable cause muster. That is called the fox guarding the henhouse. The Constitution requires an independent judicial officer.
    Accordingly, the Court finds that the Constitution of these United States trumps this
    administration's detention of petitioner Adrian Conejo Arias and his minor son, L.C.R. The Great Writ and release from detention are GRANTED pursuant to the attached Judgment..


    William's characterisation is absurd.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,224

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Yes, but this is all just virtue signalling. Lots of likes blah blah blah.

    People voted for Trump because they thought that's the only way they'd get the policies they really wanted. The fact they did so, despite his despicable character, speaks volumes.

    That's what people should be focussing and reflecting upon, because it's the truly material factor here.
    There were more immigrant removals under Biden than Trump I, so the policy people were concerned about couldn't be immigration.

    Biden was also more successful at rejuvenating American manufacturing than Trump I, and any other President for some time, so it can't have been that.

    Inflation was definitely a big factor - but that is obvious to everyone, so what's the material factor here that we're missing?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,427

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    I’ve asked this before but why were all these people constantly taking photos of each other? It seems an extra level of mentalness over and above the dodgy sex, bribery, blackmail etc.
    This was the era when camera phones became more prevalent (and then able to decent pictures), there was novelty value.

    It's what led to sexting.
    ‘I know, let’s get a picture of me on all fours over a lass not my wife, it’ll be a right laugh!’
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,146
    Cyclefree said:

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
    Is there an element of him being gay where it would t have the same connotations and “feels” if they were at a weekend house party. He’s clearly not going to be interested in them sexually and vice versa so would just be “unthreatening”.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,352
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ryanenos.bsky.social‬

    This is the most extraordinary judicial opinion I have ever read. It equates the actions of Donald Trump with George III.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ryanenos.bsky.social/post/3mdqqs7ffbc2r

    Unfair to George.
    Most of what is said about George III is propaganda.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,427
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.

    Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs.
    https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223

    No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do.
    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435

    Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.
    Nice attempt to lasso Musk but AFAICS there is not a shred of evidence Musk went to pedo island. Just a few emails talking about parties

    If a photo or flight log appears, then that’s different. But Musk has a lot of enemies - he rubs people the wrong way - and if there really was something, I imagine it would have emerged by now
    Yes, you're right. He attempted to go to the island but got rejected (lol).
    https://x.com/ryliberty/status/2017655721660502150?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,868
    boulay said:

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    I’ve asked this before but why were all these people constantly taking photos of each other? It seems an extra level of mentalness over and above the dodgy sex, bribery, blackmail etc.
    To be fair, if I was a member of the global governing elite my photo album on my phone would be quite the story. Naked pool parties, fun with girlfriends, etc, sometimes you just want a memento of good times. But I would never allow a photo in pants and a t-shirt - just a bit grim.
    I recall a story about the then Czech PM being photographed naked (and erect) at Berlusconi's villa
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/07/mirek-topolanek-czech-naked-photo

    Elites have always known how to party, but in modern times the excess is looked down upon, even among those that live in palaces, so they pretend they don't engage in this stuff.

    In googling for that story I also came across this banger of a headline (apparently his party was also anti-LGBT)

    Hungary MEP quits after allegedly fleeing gay orgy
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55145989
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,891
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.

    Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs.
    https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223

    No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do.
    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435

    Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.

    If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
    Seriously escalating for Andrew now, just got another push notification. The King needs to buy him a one-way ticket.
    "Edwards [the victim's main lawyer] said he had been in contact with "certain legal counsel" of the former prince in the United States, but said Andrew had "seemingly been disconnected from his lawyers"."

    BBC

    Doesn't bode well.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,530
    kle4 said:

    Two councillors, formerly Reform UK, join Advance UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3zy18vn0o

    Described as being too extreme for Reform, I can't imagine the leadership will be heartbroken.

    Though from the description one of them just seems like a classic hard to work with person (might have been different if the claims had been proven).

    Hill, member for Pinhoe and Mincinglake, was thrown out of Reform UK for publishing a letter about free school meals in the name of all Reform UK Devon councillors without their consent.

    He also reported colleagues to the police over claims of overspending on election expenses, which saw two Reform councillors and their agent go to the High Court to successfully clear their names.

    Announcing his move to Advance UK, Hill said he had been expelled from Reform after attempting to uphold principles of "accountability, responsibility and honesty, including holding our own candidates to the same standards we expect of others".


    Pinhoe and mincinglake isSounds like a certain pond on a great electoral ward name though.

    Who visits a place like mincinglake I wonder?
    Sounds like a certain pond on Hampstead Heath...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,316

    Leon said:

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    You should. It’s much funnier
    One of the real joys of editing PB is choosing the picture for headers.

    This one is my all time favourite, no it's not the Farage/shorts photo.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Trump.jpg
    That’s a truly extraordinary photo. The expressions on the faces of the women

    Like a Renaissance masterpiece of mass portraiture. A really good Raphael
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,217

    kle4 said:

    Two councillors, formerly Reform UK, join Advance UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3zy18vn0o

    Described as being too extreme for Reform, I can't imagine the leadership will be heartbroken.

    Though from the description one of them just seems like a classic hard to work with person (might have been different if the claims had been proven).

    Hill, member for Pinhoe and Mincinglake, was thrown out of Reform UK for publishing a letter about free school meals in the name of all Reform UK Devon councillors without their consent.

    He also reported colleagues to the police over claims of overspending on election expenses, which saw two Reform councillors and their agent go to the High Court to successfully clear their names.

    Announcing his move to Advance UK, Hill said he had been expelled from Reform after attempting to uphold principles of "accountability, responsibility and honesty, including holding our own candidates to the same standards we expect of others".


    Pinhoe and mincinglake isSounds like a certain pond on a great electoral ward name though.

    Who visits a place like mincinglake I wonder?
    Sounds like a certain pond on Hampstead Heath...
    Ooooeerr Mrs.
  • Leon said:

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    You should. It’s much funnier
    One of the real joys of editing PB is choosing the picture for headers.

    This one is my all time favourite, no it's not the Farage/shorts photo.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Trump.jpg
    Front on the left looks a bit like Starmer in drag!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,868
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
    My pro guess as a fairly debauched person that knows some very rich louche people?

    That’s a photo taken at Epstein’s New York townhouse the morning after a fun sex party. They’ve all been naked together, so the need for “proper attire” falls away

    Which, of course, does not imply any illegality at all. Just libertinism. But it’s still not a great photo for The Mandelbot Set
    Makes me wonder what the morning etiquette was after a P Diddy party. Not every rich person goes for the hedonistic lifestyle, so how does one first dip their toe into that kind of event?
  • I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    I’ve asked this before but why were all these people constantly taking photos of each other? It seems an extra level of mentalness over and above the dodgy sex, bribery, blackmail etc.
    This was the era when camera phones became more prevalent (and then able to decent pictures), there was novelty value.

    It's what led to sexting.
    ‘I know, let’s get a picture of me on all fours over a lass not my wife, it’ll be a right laugh!’
    All I will say is I am very glad camera phones did not exist when I was a student.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,973
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
    My pro guess as a fairly debauched person that knows some very rich louche people?

    That’s a photo taken at Epstein’s New York townhouse the morning after a fun sex party. They’ve all been naked together, so the need for “proper attire” falls away

    Which, of course, does not imply any illegality at all. Just libertinism. But it’s still not a great photo for The Mandelbot Set
    Doesn't it rather undermine the "I'm gay so I had no idea about any girls" explanation?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,868

    Leon said:

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    You should. It’s much funnier
    One of the real joys of editing PB is choosing the picture for headers.

    This one is my all time favourite, no it's not the Farage/shorts photo.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Trump.jpg
    Inspiring how some people can be so, um, enthused, by a mere politician.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,271

    Leon said:

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    You should. It’s much funnier
    One of the real joys of editing PB is choosing the picture for headers.

    This one is my all time favourite, no it's not the Farage/shorts photo.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Trump.jpg
    I think there was a discussion about which one was Leon.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,146

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.

    Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs.
    https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223

    No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do.
    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435

    Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.

    If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
    Seriously escalating for Andrew now, just got another push notification. The King needs to buy him a one-way ticket.
    "Edwards [the victim's main lawyer] said he had been in contact with "certain legal counsel" of the former prince in the United States, but said Andrew had "seemingly been disconnected from his lawyers"."

    BBC

    Doesn't bode well.
    AM-W is an oaf, an arrogant prick and has clearly done dodgy things but it annoys me that he seems to be an easy target where there are clearly people much deeper in the filth who are getting away with it.

    He shouldn’t be sent as a sacrificial lamb until we see that the US authorities have started prosecuting high profile and influential Americans who were balls deep in Epstein world.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,316
    kle4 said:

    Mandelson really has no defence that I can think of for his associations here. Unlike others he cannot even pull the 'I didn't know what he was like' line, given he continued associating with him after initial conviction.
    But, laughably, that is Mandy’s defence in The Mirror today. “Yes I knew Epstein was a little bit bad, so I carried on being best mates after his initial conviction for pervy sex crimes, but I never ever realised he was REALLY bad until he died, just like everyone else”

    That’s literally what Mandy says
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,445

    How on earth was Epstein allowed to continue his debauchery over years

    Andrew and Mandelson should both give evidence but many more as well

    This must be the biggest scandal of its kind and what does it say of the elite

    I fear what comes next and not least what happens to Trump and how he reacts

    What a time we are living in

    The elite are what they always are. The kind of men who crave that much power and wealth are often exactly the wrong people to have that much power and wealth, because they do things like this with it. What's more, they always have. Musing on it earlier, I was reminded of Katherine Howard's song from Six the Musical;

    I thought this time was different
    Why did I think he'd be different
    But it's never, ever different...


    And if you're the kind of person who would blow the whistle on that sort of thing, no matter the consequences, you don't get close enough to be able to do so.

    And whilst there's a need for humbling and expelling all these rich scumbags from society, the story might not have a happy ending. The timeline from now to Gilead via "we have to have neo-Puritanism to protect our women and girls, whether they like it or not" is short and plausible. (If JDV manages to shake off his associations with Trump and his techbro patrons, it's very easy to imagine him saying it, for example.)

    Don't have nightmares. (That's advice for me as well.)
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,271
    edited January 31

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My god the Epstein Files just get….. WORSE

    If just half of this is true then 😶😶😶😶😶

    And this is the REDACTED version??

    Trump could fall because of this. I can see a general revolt against the entire elite. À la Francaise

    There's a lot of this sort of discourse on X.

    Democrats thought the Jeffrey Epstein files would prove a magic bullet against Donald Trump. But look who, among other Democratic luminaries, the bullet has hit: she was Obama's WH counsel and is now chief counsel at Goldman Sachs.
    https://x.com/brithume/status/2017397179636220223

    No one cares. Everyone normal just wants accountability for anyone who was in collaboration w/ or looking the other way on Epstein. The only people who even think the way you do are partisan-brained pundits that can’t imagine other people don’t think as cynically as they do.
    https://x.com/SarahLongwell25/status/2017666819314643435

    Yes, this is why it's so tricky for Trump and the MAGA gang. No on "the left" gives a damn if the likes of Bill Clinton, Gates etc gets taken down by this too. It's not partisan, it's the elites getting away with child rape (alleged) or even worse (speculated) and unfortunately for the likes of Musk, Trump and the rest they are just members of that group.

    If Andrew is extradited to the US for these photos it will heap even more pressure on Trump - a British Prince more accountable than a US President.
    Seriously escalating for Andrew now, just got another push notification. The King needs to buy him a one-way ticket.
    "Edwards [the victim's main lawyer] said he had been in contact with "certain legal counsel" of the former prince in the United States, but said Andrew had "seemingly been disconnected from his lawyers"."

    BBC

    Doesn't bode well.
    All sorts of interesting hints and nudges in that article, particularly about Buckingham Palace. BBC editors/lawyers engaging in a delicate ballet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,316
    Cyclefree said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
    My pro guess as a fairly debauched person that knows some very rich louche people?

    That’s a photo taken at Epstein’s New York townhouse the morning after a fun sex party. They’ve all been naked together, so the need for “proper attire” falls away

    Which, of course, does not imply any illegality at all. Just libertinism. But it’s still not a great photo for The Mandelbot Set
    Doesn't it rather undermine the "I'm gay so I had no idea about any girls" explanation?
    Yes, completely
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,679
    edited January 31
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Mandelson really has no defence that I can think of for his associations here. Unlike others he cannot even pull the 'I didn't know what he was like' line, given he continued associating with him after initial conviction.
    But, laughably, that is Mandy’s defence in The Mirror today. “Yes I knew Epstein was a little bit bad, so I carried on being best mates after his initial conviction for pervy sex crimes, but I never ever realised he was REALLY bad until he died, just like everyone else”

    That’s literally what Mandy says
    And as a gay, well I would never know what went on....never saw any young ladies, not my scene.

    Picture of him in his pants with young lady.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,670
    #competition @Benpointer

    1) Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the House? 7
    2) Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the Senate? 3
    3) Number of MSPs won by the SNP at the Holyrood election? 53
    4) Number of AMs won by Plaid Cymru at the Senedd election? 38
    5) UK Party recording the largest poll lead during 2026 and by what percentage (British Polling Council registered pollsters only)? Reform, 14% lead.
    6) Labour’s Projected National Share of the vote based on the 2026 local elections according to the BBC? 15%
    7) Number of Reform MPs on the 31st December 2026? 12
    8) The name of the UK Prime Minister on 31st December 2026? Keir Starmer
    9) Will Andy Burnham will be an MP on 31st December 2026? No
    10) UK borrowing in the financial year to November 2026 (£132.3bn to November 2025)? £135.6bn
    11) UK GDP growth in the 12 months to October 2026 (1.1% to October 2025)? 0.9%
    12) Winners of the 2026 FIFA Men’s World Cup? France
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,973
    boulay said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I imagine the subset of people who want to see Mandelson in his pants is fairly small, but just for you..

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/2017680644625604622?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That's going to replace that Farage photo as go to photo for PB headers.
    Perhaps I'm old-fashioned but grown men should not be walking round houses in their pants in front of girls in bathrobes unless they are in some sort of intimate (and lawful) relationship - let alone being photographed while doing so.
    Is there an element of him being gay where it would t have the same connotations and “feels” if they were at a weekend house party. He’s clearly not going to be interested in them sexually and vice versa so would just be “unthreatening”.
    Sorry: still being old-fashioned. Being half undressed in front of each other is just .... yuck .... even if you're not interested in each other sexually. I've been to house parties - and had plenty of people to stay at mine - and they do not wander round half-dressed. These people have no manners.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,679
    edited January 31
    I never knew about any $2m house in Brazil, the $50k cash into my bank account, the girls, cos you see I am gay....that BBC interview he did is starting to be up their with Andrew's car crash.
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