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  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,584

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation.

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    Trump was a Democrat when it got him entry to the better parties with the younger girls.....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,514
    edited 2:54PM

    I agree 100% with this Telegraph article.

    Being posh should be a protected characteristic

    If we’re going to outlaw class discrimination in the interests of fairness, no one should be exempt


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/sophia-money-coutts-protect-posh-people/?WT.mc_id=tmgoff_tw_post_money-coutts-protect-posh-people/

    But you're NOT posh, you're from the North :lol:
    On that definition the Duke of Northumberland is not posh, which is absurd given he lives in Alnwick Castle and went to Eton and Christ Church, Oxford and is worth £517 million
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,440

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation.

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    Difficult… Andrew Jackson/Strom Thurmond?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,067
    MyEngland said:

    #competition

    MyEngland's 2026 predictions:

    1. Dems in House: -3
    2. Dems in Senate: -1
    3. SNP MSPs: 52
    4. Plaid Cymru AMs: 11
    5. Largest poll lead: Reform 12%
    6. Labour PNS local elections: 28%
    7. Reform MPs end 2026: 7
    8. UK PM 31 Dec 2026: Keir Starmer
    9. Burnham MP by year-end: Yes
    10. UK borrowing Nov 2026: £145bn
    11. UK GDP growth Oct 2026: 0.8%
    12. World Cup winners: Brazil

    That's a gutsy call on US politics: why so negative on the Dems in the House? (I get the Senate; it's entirely possible the Republicans grab Georgia and cling on everywhere else.)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,848
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation.

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    I think if there'd been a Biden/Trump ticket, I think I might have struggled to vote for that.
    I agree, too much youthful energy on the ticket.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,067

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation.

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    Difficult… Andrew Jackson/Strom Thurmond?
    At least they're dead, and therefore unlikely to do any further damage.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,514
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Holy fuck sticks.

    The Find Out Now Gorton & Denton 'poll' VI was based on just 51 people.

    Greens now heading to clear favourite on BF.
    They shouldn't be.

    Although the latest Nowcast has the Greens gaining Manchester Withington and Manchester Rusholme from Labour, it also has Labour leading in Gorton narrowly with Reform second and the Greens third.

    Its Gorton and Denton figures from Nowcast are Labour 29.8%, Reform 26.9% and Greens 24.1%

    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    Small LibDem vote can be squeezed by the anti-Reform vote. Easy tactical vote for the Greens for most of them.

    May well be some anti-Reform Tories prepared to do the same. Easier tactical vote for the Greens for most of them than Labour.
    Tories voting for Trots? Takes all sorts.
    There are quite a lot of Tories for whom Green is their second choice. Takes all sorts indeed...
    If the choice was either Green or Reform I’d be voting Green on the basis that Greens aren’t going to deport me.
    I would vote Reform on that choice, no question
    Are you saying that you want TSE deported? I think we should be told.
    There is as far as I can see no Reform policy to deport those born and raised in the UK.

    And yet in the past year there has been a lot of sudden interest in being specific about ethnic nationalism, and online ramping up of suggestion of 'repatriation' (which is no such thing).

    I hope that's a line cross too far for most, but it is becoming more common.
    Indeed, Tommy Robinson endorsing the Reform candidate in the Gorton and Denton by election is a worry
  • MyEnglandMyEngland Posts: 3
    Fair question. I think the House is where we'll see Trump's coattails most clearly - midterms are about the president, and right now he's broadly unpopular but not catastrophically so. The Dems need to defend a lot of Biden-won suburban seats where Trump's return has energized Republicans more than Democrats expected.

    Plus the redistricting in states like North Carolina and Louisiana gives the GOP a structural advantage. I'm pricing in maybe 2 net gains from the map, and then 1-2 more from general midterm effects. Could easily go the other way if Trump truly implodes, but I think the betting markets are underestimating how resilient the GOP floor is.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,514

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I was looking at Ballot Box Scotland’s analysis of the recent YouGov Scottish poll. I noticed that Labour are forecast to pick up the final seat in 5 of the 8 regions. They are currently forecast to be the third largest party in terms of seats. If they don’t pick up those 5 seats they could be the fourth or even fifth largest party in Holyrood. How have the mighty fallen!

    Labour could pick up some Holyrood constituency seats though, while England has seen a swing from Labour to Reform and Green since most of the local council seats up were last elected in 2022 and Wales has seen a swing from Labour to Plaid and Reform since the 2021 Senedd election in Scotland it is a different story. There has been a swing from SNP to Labour since the 2021 Holyrood election on both the constituency and regional list vote, albeit mainly because some 2021 SNP voters now back Reform or the Greens or LDs
    Which constituency seats do you think Labour might pick up, other than the two they are already expected to win? Remember that the more constituency seats they win, the fewer regional seats they may win.
    There has been a 3.5% swing from SNP to Labour since 2021 on the latest Yougov Holyrood poll last week.

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I was looking at Ballot Box Scotland’s analysis of the recent YouGov Scottish poll. I noticed that Labour are forecast to pick up the final seat in 5 of the 8 regions. They are currently forecast to be the third largest party in terms of seats. If they don’t pick up those 5 seats they could be the fourth or even fifth largest party in Holyrood. How have the mighty fallen!

    Labour could pick up some Holyrood constituency seats though, while England has seen a swing from Labour to Reform and Green since most of the local council seats up were last elected in 2022 and Wales has seen a swing from Labour to Plaid and Reform since the 2021 Senedd election in Scotland it is a different story. There has been a swing from SNP to Labour since the 2021 Holyrood election on both the constituency and regional list vote, albeit mainly because some 2021 SNP voters now back Reform or the Greens or LDs
    Which constituency seats do you think Labour might pick up, other than the two they are already expected to win? Remember that the more constituency seats they win, the fewer regional seats they may win.
    There has been a 3.5% swing from SNP to Labour since 2021 on the latest Yougov Holyrood poll last week.

    The BBS summary I referred to was based on exactly that poll.
    East Lothian would certainly be a Labour gain from SNP on that swing.


    Aberdeen S and N Kincardine, Aberdeenshire East, Angus N and Mearns, Ayr, Banffshire and Buchan Coast, Cyldesdale, Moray, Perthshire N, Perthshire S and Kinrosshire could also be potential Reform gains from the SNP on last week's Yougov Holyrood poll

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2021_Scottish_Parliament_election#Results_by_constituency
    Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross should be a likely LD gain from SNP too
    More than likely. Nailed on.

    Only real possibility of a Reform gain is Banff & Buchan, and that's unlikely due to resilience of Tory vote in Aberdeenshire.
    That depends, Reform are polling 20% on the Holyrood constituency vote, only 1% less than the Tories got in 2021 and the SNP are down 13% on the 47% they got in the constituency Holyrood vote then.

    If the Tory vote collapses to Reform in seats the Tories were second to the SNP in 2021 it is possible Reform could win 10 seats+ on the Holyrood constituency vote, especially if the Greens also stand candidates in all Holyrood constituencies and not just for the list
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,185
    On the Amazon site I found the facility to report a scam. So I reported the ‘Melania’ film, which appears to already have scammed Amazon for $millions and would have scammed me (theoretically) had I not read some reviews before rushing down to the cinema. A lucky escape for me, as I just explained to Amazon. If I get a reply I will keep you updated…..
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,185
    rcs1000 said:

    MyEngland said:

    #competition

    MyEngland's 2026 predictions:

    1. Dems in House: -3
    2. Dems in Senate: -1
    3. SNP MSPs: 52
    4. Plaid Cymru AMs: 11
    5. Largest poll lead: Reform 12%
    6. Labour PNS local elections: 28%
    7. Reform MPs end 2026: 7
    8. UK PM 31 Dec 2026: Keir Starmer
    9. Burnham MP by year-end: Yes
    10. UK borrowing Nov 2026: £145bn
    11. UK GDP growth Oct 2026: 0.8%
    12. World Cup winners: Brazil

    That's a gutsy call on US politics: why so negative on the Dems in the House? (I get the Senate; it's entirely possible the Republicans grab Georgia and cling on everywhere else.)
    S/he’s clearly expecting widespread electoral fraud and intimidation
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,514
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Holy fuck sticks.

    The Find Out Now Gorton & Denton 'poll' VI was based on just 51 people.

    Greens now heading to clear favourite on BF.
    They shouldn't be.

    Although the latest Nowcast has the Greens gaining Manchester Withington and Manchester Rusholme from Labour, it also has Labour leading in Gorton narrowly with Reform second and the Greens third.

    Its Gorton and Denton figures from Nowcast are Labour 29.8%, Reform 26.9% and Greens 24.1%

    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    Small LibDem vote can be squeezed by the anti-Reform vote. Easy tactical vote for the Greens for most of them.

    May well be some anti-Reform Tories prepared to do the same. Easier tactical vote for the Greens for most of them than Labour.
    Tories voting for Trots? Takes all sorts.
    There are quite a lot of Tories for whom Green is their second choice. Takes all sorts indeed...
    If the choice was either Green or Reform I’d be voting Green on the basis that Greens aren’t going to deport me.
    I would vote Reform on that choice, no question
    I will never vote for Reform under any circumstances, and could vote for the party best placed to beat them even Green but especially Plaid here in Wales
    Well you are very much in the minority in terms of 2024 Conservative voters.

    Most Tory voters on a forced choice would vote Reform over Labour or Green or Plaid and a plurality even Reform over the LDs.

    It is most Labour or LD voters who on a forced choice would vote Green or Plaid over Reform.

    52% of Conservative voters would vote Reform in a Labour v Reform seat FON found, 11% Labour and 37% would stay Tory. LD and Green and YP voters would strongly back Labour over Reform.

    43% of Conservative voters would vote Reform in a LD v Reform seat, 31% would stay Conservative and 25% would vote LD.

    Most Labour, Green and YP voters would tactically vote LD to beat Reform.

    Interestingly in Conservative v Reform seats though, 38% of Labour voters would now vote Conservative to beat Reform, 53% stay Labour and just 6% go Reform. LD and Green supporters would act similarly

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/pseph_tactical_2025.html
    None of that comes as any surprise at this time.

    Both Badenoch and Davey will be faced with the "who are you going to back if it's a Hung Parliament?" question. The LDs have form on this while the Conservatives don't. To be fair, both parties are playing the equidistance game quite well at this time but that line can't hold for ever.

    It's what I've come to call the "Amber Valley" question - in a seat held by Labour, where Reform are second and the Conservatives third, should Conservative voters tactically support Reform to take the seat from Labour or Labour to stop Reform winning the seat? Badenoch will be asked the question and she will need to come up with a coherent answer which will indicate whether she would support a Reform minority Government or simply sit in Opposition irrespective of how the election turns out and see what happens.

    IF the Conservatives are neither first nor second party in the next House of Commons, they will face the kind of irrelevance usually reserved for the Liberal Democrats.
    On the February Electoral Calculus projection out today Kemi would be Leader of the Opposition to a PM Farage propped up by the DUP and TUV in a hung parliament.

    Reform 319
    Conservatives 83
    Labour 68
    LDs 64
    Greens 46
    SNP 44
    SF 7
    DUP 5
    Plaid 4
    Others 4
    UUP 1
    Alliance 1
    TUV 1

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

    Albeit Nowcast's projection still has Starmer as LOTO with Farage PM with Reform on 337 seats and having a majority and the Tories 4th behind Labour and the LDs

    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast
    Fine - so you're not going to answer the Amber Valley Question now. Fair enough -you and your party might have to answer it three years from now.
    On today's EC forecast Starmer and Davey would need to be asked if they would back a PM Kemi to keep out Farage if a hung parliament?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,702
    IanB2 said:

    On the Amazon site I found the facility to report a scam. So I reported the ‘Melania’ film, which appears to already have scammed Amazon for $millions and would have scammed me (theoretically) had I not read some reviews before rushing down to the cinema. A lucky escape for me, as I just explained to Amazon. If I get a reply I will keep you updated…..

    What makes you think it is a scam?

    Maybe Amazon knew exactly what they were paying for.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,514
    edited 3:04PM
    MyEngland said:

    Fair question. I think the House is where we'll see Trump's coattails most clearly - midterms are about the president, and right now he's broadly unpopular but not catastrophically so. The Dems need to defend a lot of Biden-won suburban seats where Trump's return has energized Republicans more than Democrats expected.

    Plus the redistricting in states like North Carolina and Louisiana gives the GOP a structural advantage. I'm pricing in maybe 2 net gains from the map, and then 1-2 more from general midterm effects. Could easily go the other way if Trump truly implodes, but I think the betting markets are underestimating how resilient the GOP floor is.

    The evidence is though white working class Trump lovers are far less likely to bother to turn out for GOP Congressional candidate than they are when Trump is on the ballot.

    Indeed some of them probably even voted for Bill Clinton or Perot in 1992 and 1992, not Bush 41 or Dole, they are Trump loyalists NOT GOP loyalists. A bit like some of those white working class redwall voters who voted for Boris in 2019 were voting for him NOT the Tories
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,514

    I agree 100% with this Telegraph article.

    Being posh should be a protected characteristic

    If we’re going to outlaw class discrimination in the interests of fairness, no one should be exempt


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/sophia-money-coutts-protect-posh-people/?WT.mc_id=tmgoff_tw_post_money-coutts-protect-posh-people/

    ‘Posh sorts are repeatedly pilloried,’ writes Sophia Money-Coutts.' Beyond satire!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,848

    IanB2 said:

    On the Amazon site I found the facility to report a scam. So I reported the ‘Melania’ film, which appears to already have scammed Amazon for $millions and would have scammed me (theoretically) had I not read some reviews before rushing down to the cinema. A lucky escape for me, as I just explained to Amazon. If I get a reply I will keep you updated…..

    What makes you think it is a scam?

    Maybe Amazon knew exactly what they were paying for.
    That seems very likely. It might be more dignified to just drop off cash in a McDonald's bag at Mar-a-Lago.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,001
    HYUFD said:

    I agree 100% with this Telegraph article.

    Being posh should be a protected characteristic

    If we’re going to outlaw class discrimination in the interests of fairness, no one should be exempt


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/sophia-money-coutts-protect-posh-people/?WT.mc_id=tmgoff_tw_post_money-coutts-protect-posh-people/

    ‘Posh sorts are repeatedly pilloried,’ writes Sophia Money-Coutts.' Beyond satire!
    You belong in the SWP comrade HYUFD with that kind of talk.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,185
    edited 3:14PM
    IanB2 said:

    On the Amazon site I found the facility to report a scam. So I reported the ‘Melania’ film, which appears to already have scammed Amazon for $millions and would have scammed me (theoretically) had I not read some reviews before rushing down to the cinema. A lucky escape for me, as I just explained to Amazon. If I get a reply I will keep you updated…..

    Update: Thanks for notifying us about the suspicious communication you received. (a Facebook ad for the film that has already scammed Amazon for $millions)

    We take your report seriously and investigate every one we receive. We use it to identify bad actors and take action against them.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,514
    HYUFD said:

    MyEngland said:

    Fair question. I think the House is where we'll see Trump's coattails most clearly - midterms are about the president, and right now he's broadly unpopular but not catastrophically so. The Dems need to defend a lot of Biden-won suburban seats where Trump's return has energized Republicans more than Democrats expected.

    Plus the redistricting in states like North Carolina and Louisiana gives the GOP a structural advantage. I'm pricing in maybe 2 net gains from the map, and then 1-2 more from general midterm effects. Could easily go the other way if Trump truly implodes, but I think the betting markets are underestimating how resilient the GOP floor is.

    The evidence is though white working class Trump lovers are far less likely to bother to turn out for GOP Congressional candidates than they are when Trump is on the ballot.

    Indeed some of them probably even voted for Bill Clinton or Perot in 1992 and 1996, not Bush 41 or Dole, they are Trump loyalists NOT GOP loyalists. A bit like some of those white working class redwall voters who voted for Boris in 2019 were voting for him NOT the Tories
    Corrected
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,868
    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,936

    IanB2 said:

    On the Amazon site I found the facility to report a scam. So I reported the ‘Melania’ film, which appears to already have scammed Amazon for $millions and would have scammed me (theoretically) had I not read some reviews before rushing down to the cinema. A lucky escape for me, as I just explained to Amazon. If I get a reply I will keep you updated…..

    What makes you think it is a scam?

    Maybe Amazon knew exactly what they were paying for.
    Same reason Bezos stopped the Washington Post endorsing Kamala perchance?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,384
    MyEngland said:

    #competition

    MyEngland's 2026 predictions:

    1. Dems in House: -3
    2. Dems in Senate: -1
    3. SNP MSPs: 52
    4. Plaid Cymru AMs: 11
    5. Largest poll lead: Reform 12%
    6. Labour PNS local elections: 28%
    7. Reform MPs end 2026: 7
    8. UK PM 31 Dec 2026: Keir Starmer
    9. Burnham MP by year-end: Yes
    10. UK borrowing Nov 2026: £145bn
    11. UK GDP growth Oct 2026: 0.8%
    12. World Cup winners: Brazil

    Errr...you do know there are 96 AS (not AMs) up for election, don't you?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,514

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    He got a good deal for whisky exporters to China and for adventurous students and business people who can now go to China for 30 days visa free. That is about it
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,636
    edited 3:23PM
    Russian opposition MP detained for a speech in which he critisised Putin’s failure in Ukraine.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/2017480226331041946
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,103
    @milesklee.bsky.social‬

    Musk has been spamming crap about SpaceX and Grok all day but now every single reply to any of his posts is someone calling him a pedophile. the stage has been set for something historic
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,631

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    What would Nigel have got that Sir Keir failed to get?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,384
    MyEngland said:

    Fair question. I think the House is where we'll see Trump's coattails most clearly - midterms are about the president, and right now he's broadly unpopular but not catastrophically so. The Dems need to defend a lot of Biden-won suburban seats where Trump's return has energized Republicans more than Democrats expected.

    Plus the redistricting in states like North Carolina and Louisiana gives the GOP a structural advantage. I'm pricing in maybe 2 net gains from the map, and then 1-2 more from general midterm effects. Could easily go the other way if Trump truly implodes, but I think the betting markets are underestimating how resilient the GOP floor is.

    What has Biden got to do with the House midterms? Last time they were up Harris was the candidate.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,848
    HYUFD said:

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    He got a good deal for whisky exporters to China and for adventurous students and business people who can now go to China for 30 days visa free. That is about it
    I don't really know what makes for a 'good' trip to such places, but it sounds a little underwhelming. But maybe that's for the best with China.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,185
    HYUFD said:

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    He got a good deal for whisky exporters to China and for adventurous students and business people who can now go to China for 30 days visa free. That is about it
    So thanks to your party we can - actually thanks to Labour - be in China for four weeks without any visa, yet soon won’t be able to travel to Europe without pre-applying, at cost, for our entry permission and after giving our fingerprints before entry.

    And you wonder why the Tories are down at 20% in the polls?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,384
    Sandpit said:

    Russian opposition MP detained for a speeech in which he critisised Putin’s failure in Ukraine.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/2017480226331041946

    Will he be framed?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,203

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    Were you expecting them to give us Hong Kong back?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,636

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    That’s a bit harsh. He’s flying back with a new Chinese embassy in London, a British pharma company spending billions in China, and visas on arrival for the many British tourists who want to add to the balance of payments deficit.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,671
    edited 3:24PM
    HYUFD said:

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    He got a good deal for whisky exporters to China and for adventurous students and business people who can now go to China for 30 days visa free. That is about it
    No, not agreed. It is an agreement to talk about getting an agreement. The Chinese have said they will think about it.

    And then there was an idea announced, but not yet delivered. The prime minister said the requirement for British visitors to need a visa to visit China for under 30 days would be scrapped. But the Chinese government said it was something they were merely "actively considering."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3r10n94jxro
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,636
    DougSeal said:

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    Were you expecting them to give us Hong Kong back?
    As a minimum.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,920
    .
    rcs1000 said:

    MyEngland said:

    #competition

    MyEngland's 2026 predictions:

    1. Dems in House: -3
    2. Dems in Senate: -1
    3. SNP MSPs: 52
    4. Plaid Cymru AMs: 11
    5. Largest poll lead: Reform 12%
    6. Labour PNS local elections: 28%
    7. Reform MPs end 2026: 7
    8. UK PM 31 Dec 2026: Keir Starmer
    9. Burnham MP by year-end: Yes
    10. UK borrowing Nov 2026: £145bn
    11. UK GDP growth Oct 2026: 0.8%
    12. World Cup winners: Brazil

    That's a gutsy call on US politics: why so negative on the Dems in the House? (I get the Senate; it's entirely possible the Republicans grab Georgia and cling on everywhere else.)
    I'm still wondering about entering, and can't decide between Dem gains of 20+, or losses as the result of a major effort to fix the polls.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,961

    Sandpit said:

    Oh, so the “Palestine” mob are back in London, this time also waving flags in suppport of the Iranian regime.

    https://x.com/heidibachram/status/2017567854162313315
    https://x.com/niohberg/status/2017594690426589624

    That same Iranian regime alleged to have killed as many protestors in the last few weeks, as were killed in Gaza in three years.

    I was in Central London this morning, I think this lot are protesting against the genocide in Palestine and events in Iran.

    As my Iranian heritage friends have said as the internet has become available again the scale of the atrocities are becoming more widespread, there's not a single family in Tehran that's not grieving, they have executed pharmacists and doctors who have treated the wounded.
    There are reports that the bodies of women have been returned to their families with their uteruses cut out to destroy any evidence of rape.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,848
    Sandpit said:

    Russian opposition MP detained for a speeech in which he critisised Putin’s failure in Ukraine.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/2017480226331041946

    Bold comment, and an odd time to make it you'd think, when Trump is working hard to get some kind of deal Putin can live with (even if it is far below his initial expectations) and so declare it a success.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,636
    edited 3:27PM
    Scott_xP said:

    @milesklee.bsky.social‬

    Musk has been spamming crap about SpaceX and Grok all day but now every single reply to any of his posts is someone calling him a pedophile. the stage has been set for something historic

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2017608461383831826

    What matters is not release of some subset of the Epstein files, but rather the prosecution of those who committed heinous crimes with Epstein.

    When there is at least one arrest, some justice will have been done. If not, this is all performative. Nothing but a distraction.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,848
    Scott_xP said:

    @milesklee.bsky.social‬

    Musk has been spamming crap about SpaceX and Grok all day but now every single reply to any of his posts is someone calling him a pedophile. the stage has been set for something historic

    They should probably just call him a 'pedo guy', he can hardly object to people doing that given his successful defamation case for using that expression.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,514
    edited 3:30PM
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    He got a good deal for whisky exporters to China and for adventurous students and business people who can now go to China for 30 days visa free. That is about it
    So thanks to your party we can - actually thanks to Labour - be in China for four weeks without any visa, yet soon won’t be able to travel to Europe without pre-applying, at cost, for our entry permission and after giving our fingerprints before entry.

    And you wonder why the Tories are down at 20% in the polls?
    You still won't ever need a visa to travel to the EEA from the UK and even going to the USA you need Electronic System for Travel Authorisation first, a completed Form 194 and soon it seems copies of your social media posts.

    The Tories are down at 20% in the polls as 25%+ are now voting Reform most of whom backed an even harder Brexit
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,936
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian opposition MP detained for a speeech in which he critisised Putin’s failure in Ukraine.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/2017480226331041946

    Will he be framed?
    You wouldn't want to open a window in this weather.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,848
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @milesklee.bsky.social‬

    Musk has been spamming crap about SpaceX and Grok all day but now every single reply to any of his posts is someone calling him a pedophile. the stage has been set for something historic

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2017608461383831826

    What matters is not release of some subset of the Epstein files, but rather the prosecution of those who committed heinous crimes with Epstein.

    When there is at least one arrest, some justice will have been done. If not, this is all performative. Nothing but a distraction.
    The most surprising thing to me, not having delved deeply into this whole affair, is that Epstein was ever convicted of anything in the first place - he must have been very indiscreet, as with all the people involved, in one form or another, it's implausible many others were not in it up to their (potentially royal) necks.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,418
    DougSeal said:

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    Were you expecting them to give us Hong Kong back?
    In sheer sympathy for how crap the Apprentice candidates were in HK in episode 1, absolutely yes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,514
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    He got a good deal for whisky exporters to China and for adventurous students and business people who can now go to China for 30 days visa free. That is about it
    I don't really know what makes for a 'good' trip to such places, but it sounds a little underwhelming. But maybe that's for the best with China.
    My sister went but you have to be accompanied by a state approved guide at all times
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,671
    edited 3:33PM
    Even the Whiskey Tariff deal, import taxes on whisky will be cut from 10% to 5%....5% price cut is nice and all, but on an expensive imported product in China (other much cheaper alcohol is avaialble), I would be surprised if price is that much of the deciding factor.

    Quick look it seems like £60-70 a bottle is quite normal for Scottish Whiskey in China. For reference even in major cities everything is about 4x cheaper than it is here in major cities. So people buying this in China are paying the equivalent of £250-300 in purchasing power. I don't they are the sort of people worrying about 5% difference in price.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,332
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation.

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    I think if there'd been a Biden/Trump ticket, I think I might have struggled to vote for that.
    Trump crushed into VP? As opposed to Trump/Vance?

    What about the Democrats running Jeff Davis/Alexander H. Stephens?

    Both are dead, so they will be unlikely to start dismantling civil rights….
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,636
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian opposition MP detained for a speeech in which he critisised Putin’s failure in Ukraine.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/2017480226331041946

    Bold comment, and an odd time to make it you'd think, when Trump is working hard to get some kind of deal Putin can live with (even if it is far below his initial expectations) and so declare it a success.
    Putin allegedly told Trump he would back off bombing Ukranian infrastructure for a few days, yet today the whole power grid in Kyiv was down for nearly six hours amid widespread failures from Russian bombings.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,332

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation.

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    Difficult… Andrew Jackson/Strom Thurmond?
    Less racist than Trump/Vance
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,440
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @milesklee.bsky.social‬

    Musk has been spamming crap about SpaceX and Grok all day but now every single reply to any of his posts is someone calling him a pedophile. the stage has been set for something historic

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2017608461383831826

    What matters is not release of some subset of the Epstein files, but rather the prosecution of those who committed heinous crimes with Epstein.

    When there is at least one arrest, some justice will have been done. If not, this is all performative. Nothing but a distraction.
    Maybe he would do better trying to offer some sort of explanation for his emails to Epstein…?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,848
    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian opposition MP detained for a speeech in which he critisised Putin’s failure in Ukraine.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/2017480226331041946

    Bold comment, and an odd time to make it you'd think, when Trump is working hard to get some kind of deal Putin can live with (even if it is far below his initial expectations) and so declare it a success.
    Putin allegedly told Trump he would back off bombing Ukranian infrastructure for a few days, yet today the whole power grid in Kyiv was down for nearly six hours amid widespread failures from Russian bombings.
    Smart move, if they aren't airing that on Fox or Newsmax Trump won't believe it has happened and will just as Putin if it is true.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,636
    edited 3:32PM

    Even the Whiskey Tariff deal, import taxes on whisky will be cut from 10% to 5%....5% price cut is nice and all, but on an expensive imported product in China (other much cheaper alcohol is avaialble), I would be surprised if price is that much of the deciding factor.

    Whether a $50 bottle of Scotch ends up costing $55 or $52.5 is pretty much irrelevant, when the local stuff costs $10. The Chinese guy buying a bottle of Scotch, is buying a bottle of Scotch.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,332
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @milesklee.bsky.social‬

    Musk has been spamming crap about SpaceX and Grok all day but now every single reply to any of his posts is someone calling him a pedophile. the stage has been set for something historic

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2017608461383831826

    What matters is not release of some subset of the Epstein files, but rather the prosecution of those who committed heinous crimes with Epstein.

    When there is at least one arrest, some justice will have been done. If not, this is all performative. Nothing but a distraction.
    The most surprising thing to me, not having delved deeply into this whole affair, is that Epstein was ever convicted of anything in the first place - he must have been very indiscreet, as with all the people involved, in one form or another, it's implausible many others were not in it up to their (potentially royal) necks.
    The evidence against him was utterly open & shut. Impossible to ignore.

    Even so, he was given a very, very lenient deal. For no apparent legal reason.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,920
    Is Blanche just an idiot, or is this an admission of what is in the files ?

    Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche just admitted the DOJ excluded images showing “death, physical abuse, or injury” from today’s Epstein files release..
    https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/2017584430257263097
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,440

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @milesklee.bsky.social‬

    Musk has been spamming crap about SpaceX and Grok all day but now every single reply to any of his posts is someone calling him a pedophile. the stage has been set for something historic

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2017608461383831826

    What matters is not release of some subset of the Epstein files, but rather the prosecution of those who committed heinous crimes with Epstein.

    When there is at least one arrest, some justice will have been done. If not, this is all performative. Nothing but a distraction.
    The most surprising thing to me, not having delved deeply into this whole affair, is that Epstein was ever convicted of anything in the first place - he must have been very indiscreet, as with all the people involved, in one form or another, it's implausible many others were not in it up to their (potentially royal) necks.
    The evidence against him was utterly open & shut. Impossible to ignore.

    Even so, he was given a very, very lenient deal. For no apparent legal reason.
    By Alexander Acosta, who went on to serve in Trump’s Cabinet.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,884

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation.

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    We're back to Hitler there, I think. Because as Trump apologists argue, and it's a killer point because the undeniable truth of it cuts right across partisan divides, he isn't Hitler.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,848
    Nigelb said:

    Is Blanche just an idiot, or is this an admission of what is in the files ?

    Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche just admitted the DOJ excluded images showing “death, physical abuse, or injury” from today’s Epstein files release..
    https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/2017584430257263097

    Of Trump's personal lawyers pre-election I recall seeing that Blanche was considered a genuinely good one (unlike Habba, who was useless but looked good).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,636
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @milesklee.bsky.social‬

    Musk has been spamming crap about SpaceX and Grok all day but now every single reply to any of his posts is someone calling him a pedophile. the stage has been set for something historic

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2017608461383831826

    What matters is not release of some subset of the Epstein files, but rather the prosecution of those who committed heinous crimes with Epstein.

    When there is at least one arrest, some justice will have been done. If not, this is all performative. Nothing but a distraction.
    The most surprising thing to me, not having delved deeply into this whole affair, is that Epstein was ever convicted of anything in the first place - he must have been very indiscreet, as with all the people involved, in one form or another, it's implausible many others were not in it up to their (potentially royal) necks.
    First time around he got the mother of all plea deals.
    https://factually.co/fact-checks/justice/jeffrey-epstein-2008-florida-plea-deal-outcome-ce84ec

    He really should have learned his lesson and backed off at that point.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,332
    Nigelb said:

    Is Blanche just an idiot, or is this an admission of what is in the files ?

    Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche just admitted the DOJ excluded images showing “death, physical abuse, or injury” from today’s Epstein files release..
    https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/2017584430257263097

    IIRC the details of Epstein’s death in prison was in the files. Complete with photos of the scene.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,920
    .
    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @milesklee.bsky.social‬

    Musk has been spamming crap about SpaceX and Grok all day but now every single reply to any of his posts is someone calling him a pedophile. the stage has been set for something historic

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2017608461383831826

    What matters is not release of some subset of the Epstein files, but rather the prosecution of those who committed heinous crimes with Epstein.

    When there is at least one arrest, some justice will have been done. If not, this is all performative. Nothing but a distraction.
    The most surprising thing to me, not having delved deeply into this whole affair, is that Epstein was ever convicted of anything in the first place - he must have been very indiscreet, as with all the people involved, in one form or another, it's implausible many others were not in it up to their (potentially royal) necks.
    First time around he got the mother of all plea deals.
    https://factually.co/fact-checks/justice/jeffrey-epstein-2008-florida-plea-deal-outcome-ce84ec

    He really should have learned his lesson and backed off at that point.
    He really should have been tried and jailed at that point.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,868
    HYUFD said:

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    He got a good deal for whisky exporters to China and for adventurous students and business people who can now go to China for 30 days visa free. That is about it
    The rate had been 5% up until 1 January 2025 when they rose to 10%, so Sir World Statesman managed to get them down to Rishi Sunak levels again.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,645
    edited 3:41PM
    Nigelb said:

    Is Blanche just an idiot, or is this an admission of what is in the files ?

    Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche just admitted the DOJ excluded images showing “death, physical abuse, or injury” from today’s Epstein files release..
    https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/2017584430257263097

    *Deleted* (Point already made)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,332
    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation.

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    We're back to Hitler there, I think. Because as Trump apologists argue, and it's a killer point because the undeniable truth of it cuts right across partisan divides, he isn't Hitler.
    So Hitler/Konstantin Chernenko?

    A broad ticket, certainly.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,527
    Nigelb said:

    Is Blanche just an idiot, or is this an admission of what is in the files ?

    Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche just admitted the DOJ excluded images showing “death, physical abuse, or injury” from today’s Epstein files release..
    https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/2017584430257263097

    So, Mr President, how is it going hiding those Epstein files?

    Bad news for Tehran...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,103
    @EdKrassen

    BREAKING: This letter from Jeffrey Epstein is extremely damning for Trump. Most people are not understanding it.

    Why? Because of who Ruemmler and Pottinger are.

    In this email Epstein is asking attorney Kathy Ruemmler what he should tell Trump to tell authorities when Trump's questioned about Epstein. This comes as Epstein is telling Ruemmler that Trump is accused of having sex at his home. Epstein doesn't deny it took place.

    But then Ruemmler responds, with a quote of what Trump should tell authorities. This seems like witness tampering to me.

    Then you notice the mention of Pottinger. This almost certainly is John Stanley Pottinger, who represented over 20 of Jeffrey Epstein's sexual abuse survivors.

    https://x.com/EdKrassen/status/2017323897230618825?s=20
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,868
    DougSeal said:

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    Were you expecting them to give us Hong Kong back?
    I was expecting very little, I got less.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,939

    Nigelb said:

    Is Blanche just an idiot, or is this an admission of what is in the files ?

    Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche just admitted the DOJ excluded images showing “death, physical abuse, or injury” from today’s Epstein files release..
    https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/2017584430257263097

    IIRC the details of Epstein’s death in prison was in the files. Complete with photos of the scene.
    Including video footage of the missing twenty minutes?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,636
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @milesklee.bsky.social‬

    Musk has been spamming crap about SpaceX and Grok all day but now every single reply to any of his posts is someone calling him a pedophile. the stage has been set for something historic

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2017608461383831826

    What matters is not release of some subset of the Epstein files, but rather the prosecution of those who committed heinous crimes with Epstein.

    When there is at least one arrest, some justice will have been done. If not, this is all performative. Nothing but a distraction.
    The most surprising thing to me, not having delved deeply into this whole affair, is that Epstein was ever convicted of anything in the first place - he must have been very indiscreet, as with all the people involved, in one form or another, it's implausible many others were not in it up to their (potentially royal) necks.
    First time around he got the mother of all plea deals.
    https://factually.co/fact-checks/justice/jeffrey-epstein-2008-florida-plea-deal-outcome-ce84ec

    He really should have learned his lesson and backed off at that point.
    He really should have been tried and jailed at that point.
    The biggest unanswered question, after who were the men on the island, is how did that 2008 plea deal come about? He should have been locked up and the key thrown away, but something happened behind the scenes. Was he an informant, or did he already have a load of blackmail material on people back when GWB was President?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,191
    Epstein and others were disgusting

    Can someone explain why the abused women have not named those involved and criminal charges laid

    Surely there has to be criminal trials

    I would just say I have little knowledge of US laws
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,939

    DougSeal said:

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    Were you expecting them to give us Hong Kong back?
    I was expecting very little, I got less.
    The visit seemed like an understated success. At least he didn't crash the economy in 49 days.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,182

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    There's always 30 day travel without visas for British citizens.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,671
    edited 3:51PM

    DougSeal said:

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    Were you expecting them to give us Hong Kong back?
    I was expecting very little, I got less.
    The visit seemed like an understated success. At least he didn't crash the economy in 49 days.
    For the Chinese...certainly. They got their spy centre signed off and looks like going to get more access to UK car sector. And all they had to do was offer the possibly that UK business people might be able to go visa free like 50 other countries already can, a couple of quid of whiskey and some nonsense about looking at boat engine parts.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,636

    Sandpit said:

    Oh, so the “Palestine” mob are back in London, this time also waving flags in suppport of the Iranian regime.

    https://x.com/heidibachram/status/2017567854162313315
    https://x.com/niohberg/status/2017594690426589624

    That same Iranian regime alleged to have killed as many protestors in the last few weeks, as were killed in Gaza in three years.

    I was in Central London this morning, I think this lot are protesting against the genocide in Palestine and events in Iran.

    As my Iranian heritage friends have said as the internet has become available again the scale of the atrocities are becoming more widespread, there's not a single family in Tehran that's not grieving, they have executed pharmacists and doctors who have treated the wounded.
    In case there was any doubt as to which side today’s London protestors were on:

    https://x.com/heidibachram/status/2017606614723801272

    “Say it clear, say it loud. Khamenei makes us proud.”
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,920
    ..Trump accuses Abigail Spanberger of “cheating” to win the Virginia governor’s race. Spanberger won by 15 points. Her MAGA opponent conceded and didn’t accuse her of fraud..
    https://x.com/MAGALieTracker/status/2017342631726964920
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,671
    edited 3:55PM
    Andy_JS said:

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    There's always 30 day travel without visas for British citizens.
    For the 10th time....even that isn't agreed. Starmer said its happening, when, don't know. The Chinese said that's because they have only agreed tothink about it. We agree to talk about possibility of an agreement. For a lawyer, he gets sticked up every time on the basics.

    It will happen because basically its nothing to them now, they don't need you to give over all your details in a a visa application because they can spy on your every waking minute digitally e.g. AliPay logs every single purchase you make and you must use Alipay. No credit cards work. Cash isn't accepted.

    They even make it super easy for themselves to spy on you, you must use a dedicated foreigner version of Alipay.
  • Here goes. Left until the eleventh hour in the hope of inspiration; alas I have none. #competition

    Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the House? +20

    Number of net gains (or losses -ve) for the Dems in the Senate? +2
    Number of MSPs won by the SNP at the Holyrood election? 48
    Number of AMs won by Plaid Cymru at the Senedd election? 32
    UK Party recording the largest poll lead during 2026 and by what percentage (British Polling Council registered pollsters only)? Reform 17% lead
    Labour’s Projected National Share of the vote based on the 2026 local elections according to the BBC? 16%
    Number of Reform MPs on the 31st December 2026? 9
    The name of the UK Prime Minister on 31st December 2026? Keir Starmer
    Will Andy Burnham will be an MP on 31st December 2026? No
    UK borrowing in the financial year to November 2026 (£132.3bn to November 2025)? £145bn
    UK GDP growth in the 12 months to October 2026 (1.1% to October 2025)? 1.7%
    Winners of the 2026 FIFA Men’s World Cup? Argentina
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,868
    edited 3:53PM
    Andy_JS said:

    Sir Useless flying back from China with virtually nothing then, absolutely worth it.

    There's always 30 day travel without visas for British citizens.
    And 30 year incarceration without trial for other British citizens.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,939
    ...

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation
    .

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    So you would consider World ending fascism is preferable to Blairite Socialism.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,868

    ...

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation
    .

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    So you would consider World ending fascism is preferable to Blairite Socialism.
    Let nobody accuse the PB faithful of giving themselves over to hyperbole.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,350

    I agree 100% with this Telegraph article.

    Being posh should be a protected characteristic

    If we’re going to outlaw class discrimination in the interests of fairness, no one should be exempt


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/sophia-money-coutts-protect-posh-people/?WT.mc_id=tmgoff_tw_post_money-coutts-protect-posh-people/

    This is how Britain (England, in particular) works: everyone agrees class shouldn't matter, and then quietly acts on it anyway.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,400
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @milesklee.bsky.social‬

    Musk has been spamming crap about SpaceX and Grok all day but now every single reply to any of his posts is someone calling him a pedophile. the stage has been set for something historic

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2017608461383831826

    What matters is not release of some subset of the Epstein files, but rather the prosecution of those who committed heinous crimes with Epstein.

    When there is at least one arrest, some justice will have been done. If not, this is all performative. Nothing but a distraction.
    The most surprising thing to me, not having delved deeply into this whole affair, is that Epstein was ever convicted of anything in the first place - he must have been very indiscreet, as with all the people involved, in one form or another, it's implausible many others were not in it up to their (potentially royal) necks.
    Sometimes, impunity leads to hubris (as with Weinstein.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,067

    ...

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation
    .

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    So you would consider World ending fascism is preferable to Blairite Socialism.
    I think he's saying he would voted for AOC/Bernie without hesitation.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,350

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Yes, but this is all just virtue signalling. Lots of likes blah blah blah.

    People voted for Trump because they thought that's the only way they'd get the policies they really wanted. The fact they did so, despite his despicable character, speaks volumes.

    That's what people should be focussing and reflecting upon, because it's the truly material factor here.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,939

    Epstein and others were disgusting

    Can someone explain why the abused women have not named those involved and criminal charges laid

    Surely there has to be criminal trials

    I would just say I have little knowledge of US laws

    One or two of those who spoke out are now with the angels.

    Does anyone still believe Epstein topped himself?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,400

    Epstein and others were disgusting

    Can someone explain why the abused women have not named those involved and criminal charges laid

    Surely there has to be criminal trials

    I would just say I have little knowledge of US laws

    One or two of those who spoke out are now with the angels.

    Does anyone still believe Epstein topped himself?
    No, I believe that he was murdered.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,939
    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation
    .

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    So you would consider World ending fascism is preferable to Blairite Socialism.
    I think he's saying he would voted for AOC/Bernie without hesitation.
    Thanks for clearing that up.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,067

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Yes, but this is all just virtue signalling. Lots of likes blah blah blah.

    People voted for Trump because they thought that's the only way they'd get the policies they really wanted. The fact they did so, despite his despicable character, speaks volumes.

    That's what people should be focussing and reflecting upon, because it's the truly material factor here.
    People voted for Trump because they'd gotten poorer in the previous four years, because of the wave of post-Covid inflation that hit the developed world.

    (And there's an additional side helping of Harris being a poor candidate, and the Dems having hidden Biden's increasing senility.)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,868
    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation
    .

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    So you would consider World ending fascism is preferable to Blairite Socialism.
    I think he's saying he would voted for AOC/Bernie without hesitation.
    Trump is wrathful, vengeful, grandiose, capricious, impressively venal, and as a world statesman, toe-curlingly embarrassing. He is also, in my opinion, 100% better than having a Democrat President - for America and the for rest of the world.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,384

    Epstein and others were disgusting

    Can someone explain why the abused women have not named those involved and criminal charges laid

    Surely there has to be criminal trials

    I would just say I have little knowledge of US laws

    One or two of those who spoke out are now with the angels.

    Does anyone still believe Epstein topped himself?
    I think the evidence still favours cockup rather than conspiracy.

    However, the more the conspiracy of silence around Epstein's links to others is exposed, the more understandable it is that people take a different view.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,636
    Twitter rumours, but it appears one IRGC commander was taken out in Bandar Abbas.

    https://x.com/drelidavid/status/2017623455076606460
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,332
    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation
    .

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    So you would consider World ending fascism is preferable to Blairite Socialism.
    I think he's saying he would voted for AOC/Bernie without hesitation.
    Indeed.

    Both of them are rather soft left by U.K. standards, after all.

    Bernie’s idea of steadily extending existing Federal medical programs (chiefly Medicare and Medicaid) to cover more and more, is probably the only way to get to universal healthcare in the US.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,939

    ...

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation
    .

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    So you would consider World ending fascism is preferable to Blairite Socialism.
    Let nobody accuse the PB faithful of giving themselves over to hyperbole.
    OK Bernie and AOC are more like LibDems. Point taken.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,332
    Sean_F said:

    Epstein and others were disgusting

    Can someone explain why the abused women have not named those involved and criminal charges laid

    Surely there has to be criminal trials

    I would just say I have little knowledge of US laws

    One or two of those who spoke out are now with the angels.

    Does anyone still believe Epstein topped himself?
    No, I believe that he was murdered.
    I think it possible he was pushed into suicide - as in “if you do yourself in, then it will be better than what will happen to you later”.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,636

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation
    .

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    So you would consider World ending fascism is preferable to Blairite Socialism.
    I think he's saying he would voted for AOC/Bernie without hesitation.
    Trump is wrathful, vengeful, grandiose, capricious, impressively venal, and as a world statesman, toe-curlingly embarrassing. He is also, in my opinion, 100% better than having a Democrat President - for America and the for rest of the world.
    Personally I wouldn’t go quite that far, and would probably have been 3rd party in the US last time out, but I would say that if Harris had won in 2024 the backlash next time would be a lot worse than Trump is now.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,350
    Scott_xP said:

    @milesklee.bsky.social‬

    Musk has been spamming crap about SpaceX and Grok all day but now every single reply to any of his posts is someone calling him a pedophile. the stage has been set for something historic

    Is this really how some people choose to spend their free time?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,868
    Scott_xP said:

    He is also, in my opinion, 100% better than having a Democrat President - for America and the for rest of the world.

    You are 100% wrong
    Chopping 50% of someone's post and then accusing them of being 100% wrong is fairly low.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,332
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Indeed.

    I am trying to think of a Democrat ticket that I wouldn’t have instantly voted for over Trump/Vance.

    AOC/Bernie - no hesitation
    .

    Can anyone come up with a ticket that wouldn’t obviously have been better than Trump?
    So you would consider World ending fascism is preferable to Blairite Socialism.
    I think he's saying he would voted for AOC/Bernie without hesitation.
    Trump is wrathful, vengeful, grandiose, capricious, impressively venal, and as a world statesman, toe-curlingly embarrassing. He is also, in my opinion, 100% better than having a Democrat President - for America and the for rest of the world.
    Personally I wouldn’t go quite that far, and would probably have been 3rd party in the US last time out, but I would say that if Harris had won in 2024 the backlash next time would be a lot worse than Trump is now.
    The 2025 mob couldn’t get elected. Which is why they needed Trump.

    Vaguely Sane Democrat vs Vance, Miller etc = big Democrat Win
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,939
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Musk was invited loads but never went

    Trump kicked Epstein out of his club two decades ago, when he worked out what he was up to.

    I don't think either of those statements is true
    Go on then, evidence for Musk ever going to the island, or for Trump having any relationship with Epstein after I think 2007?
    Whether or not he cut ties with Epstein after 2007 does not exonerate all the other allegations against Trump before that date. I am not saying they are true because we don’t know but the absolute lack of transparency in respect of the release of the files and the redactions is not exactly a great look. The allegations are horrifying.
    I stand by my previous comments that if there was any serious evidence of impropriety involving Trump, something serious enough to be disqualifying, it would have found its way to the papers before the election.

    Biden’s DOJ was willing to throw anything and everything at putting him in prison, they wouldn’t have overlooked anything they thought they could stand up in court.
    Trump incited a riot on 6/1/2021. He repeatedly lied that he lost the election, due to fraud. A jury found Trump civilly liable for sexual assault. He describes Haitians and Venezuelans as garbage, and lies about them eating pets. His business record is one of fraud, and non-payment of bills. He lusts after his own daughter. His posts on Truth Social are like the outpourings of the demon Pazuzu, in The Exorcist.

    All this is in the public domain, and still 77 m voted for this deranged, babbling, fuckwit.

    Which tells you just how bad the alternative was.
    Harris is mediocre in the extreme, but she is not actively malevolent, corrupt, senile, or unhinged. She is not someone who is an active threat to US allies.

    Sometimes, the voters make bad choices. In this case, they willingly chose a man whose character is atrocious.
    I would not have voted for Harris. Wokery (which bleeds over here) would have been given a further boost over here, and the dogma on Net Zero would have continued.

    I'd have gone third party. The problem with American politics is how utterly polarised it is.
    I (and I used to be an American citizen) would have voted for Harris. She is a B- politician on the national level, true.

    But she isn’t a lying, racist, rapist, insurrectionist fraudster.

    8 years of Harris might not be optimal. But she wouldn’t be destroying large chunks of the social contract.
    I believe the key difference is that you could safely vote for Harris in the knowledge that you would be free to oppose those policies of hers that you disagreed with, and that Congressional Democrats would not be so cowed as to be incapable of responding to public pressure to block those policies.

    You cannot say the same about Trump and Congressional Republicans.
    Yes, but this is all just virtue signalling. Lots of likes blah blah blah.

    People voted for Trump because they thought that's the only way they'd get the policies they really wanted. The fact they did so, despite his despicable character, speaks volumes.

    That's what people should be focussing and reflecting upon, because it's the truly material factor here.
    People voted for Trump because they'd gotten poorer in the previous four years, because of the wave of post-Covid inflation that hit the developed world.

    (And there's an additional side helping of Harris being a poor candidate, and the Dems having hidden Biden's increasing senility.)
    Thank f*** no one is hiding Trump's increasing senility.
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