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  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,498
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of predictions, remember how self-drive cars would never happen? @JosiasJessop?

    "Uber and Lyft drivers say Waymo's robotaxis are hurting their earnings in Phoenix and LA"

    https://archive.is/2024.11.29-132456/https://www.businessinsider.com/waymo-robotaxis-competing-uber-lyft-drivers-phoenix-los-angeles-price-2024-11#selection-1465.0-1465.88

    It's taken longer than many (including me) predicted, but the prediction IS now coming true

    When have I ever said "they would never happen"? Indeed, I hoped (and hope) they will happen, as it would be rather neat for me.

    But these geofenced robotaxis are rather limited compared to what you were claiming.

    Well over ten years have passed, and lorry drivers still exist. In fact, there's no indication they're going away.

    You were wrong. Own it.
    I wasn't wrong, but nor were you. We were both half right. Self driving came later than I predicted and earlier than you did.

    However, where I was entirely right is in machine translation, which -IIRC - you said was basically impossible for machines to truly master. lol

    We now have translators which are literal Babel fish except arguably better
    IIRC, you stated that in ten years, there would be no lorry drivers. You compounded that by saying that it was pointless training to be a lorry driver, as the jobs would go. Those 'predictions' were well over ten years ago.

    And again, show where I said translation was 'basically impossible for machines to truly master'. Go on. Because I'm pretty sure I did not.
    Yeah you did you stupid twat

    Welsh: "Ie, wnest ti, ti'n dwp twp."
    Armenian: "Այո, արեցիր, հիմար ապուշ." (Ayo, arecir, himar apush.)
    Georgian: "ჰო, გააკეთე, შენ სულელი დებილი." (Ho, gaakete, shen suleli debili.)
    Mandarin: "是的,你做了,你这个蠢蛋。" (Shì de, nǐ zuò le, nǐ zhège chǔn dàn.)
    Hebrew: "כן, עשית את זה, טיפש מטומטם." (Ken, asita et ze, tipesh metumtam.)
    How do you know that those are accurate? Though Ydoethur can help with No. 1.
    I just checked: the translations are good
    How did you do that? Ask it?
    Are you really this fucking dim?

    I checked with other, different AI translation devices. eg Google and iTranslate and the like

    Now, maybe they are all conspiring to give us fake translations, even tho they are rival companies with absolutely no cause to do this (quite the opposite), or the translations are good
    No: just checking. And a pretty good reply, thank you.

    (I've been sceptical about machine translation for decades, but that was probably because of reading The Man in the High Castle as a teenager.)
    Do you ever check the results from your calculator on your phone? Do you think "oooh, that might be wrong" and then go away and do the long division sums by hand?

    QED
    I certainly do a mental arithmetic check to make sure it seems about right. That's in case of keying errors, but there was one model of scientific calculator in the 1980s or so that gave wrong answers if the battery was a little low.
    I mean, sorry, but, lol
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,334
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of predictions, remember how self-drive cars would never happen? @JosiasJessop?

    "Uber and Lyft drivers say Waymo's robotaxis are hurting their earnings in Phoenix and LA"

    https://archive.is/2024.11.29-132456/https://www.businessinsider.com/waymo-robotaxis-competing-uber-lyft-drivers-phoenix-los-angeles-price-2024-11#selection-1465.0-1465.88

    It's taken longer than many (including me) predicted, but the prediction IS now coming true

    When have I ever said "they would never happen"? Indeed, I hoped (and hope) they will happen, as it would be rather neat for me.

    But these geofenced robotaxis are rather limited compared to what you were claiming.

    Well over ten years have passed, and lorry drivers still exist. In fact, there's no indication they're going away.

    You were wrong. Own it.
    I wasn't wrong, but nor were you. We were both half right. Self driving came later than I predicted and earlier than you did.

    However, where I was entirely right is in machine translation, which -IIRC - you said was basically impossible for machines to truly master. lol

    We now have translators which are literal Babel fish except arguably better
    IIRC, you stated that in ten years, there would be no lorry drivers. You compounded that by saying that it was pointless training to be a lorry driver, as the jobs would go. Those 'predictions' were well over ten years ago.

    And again, show where I said translation was 'basically impossible for machines to truly master'. Go on. Because I'm pretty sure I did not.
    Yeah you did you stupid twat

    Welsh: "Ie, wnest ti, ti'n dwp twp."
    Armenian: "Այո, արեցիր, հիմար ապուշ." (Ayo, arecir, himar apush.)
    Georgian: "ჰო, გააკეთე, შენ სულელი დებილი." (Ho, gaakete, shen suleli debili.)
    Mandarin: "是的,你做了,你这个蠢蛋。" (Shì de, nǐ zuò le, nǐ zhège chǔn dàn.)
    Hebrew: "כן, עשית את זה, טיפש מטומטם." (Ken, asita et ze, tipesh metumtam.)
    How do you know that those are accurate? Though Ydoethur can help with No. 1.
    I just checked: the translations are good
    How did you do that? Ask it?
    Are you really this fucking dim?

    I checked with other, different AI translation devices. eg Google and iTranslate and the like

    Now, maybe they are all conspiring to give us fake translations, even tho they are rival companies with absolutely no cause to do this (quite the opposite), or the translations are good
    No: just checking. And a pretty good reply, thank you.

    (I've been sceptical about machine translation for decades, but that was probably because of reading The Man in the High Castle as a teenager.)
    Do you ever check the results from your calculator on your phone? Do you think "oooh, that might be wrong" and then go away and do the long division sums by hand?

    QED
    I certainly do a mental arithmetic check to make sure it seems about right. That's in case of keying errors, but there was one model of scientific calculator in the 1980s or so that gave wrong answers if the battery was a little low.
    I mean, sorry, but, lol
    You think that's silly? Making sure it has the right number of digits? Really?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,120
    "Mr. Kushner, 70, pleaded guilty in 2004 to 16 counts of tax evasion, a single count of retaliating against a federal witness and one of lying to the Federal Election Commission"
    and so now he will be US ambassador to France
    www.nytimes.com/2024/11/30/u...

    https://bsky.app/profile/anneapplebaum.bsky.social/post/3lc75iqni422z

    Another Trump appointee, the father of his Son in Law.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    YouTuber TheChieftain on why attack helicopters are not obsolete. The TL:DR is that although they are no longer viable on the front line, they have found a role about 50-250km in front of the front lines, degrading the situation in these less-defended areas. So if the US army landed in Southampton, the Apaches would be attacking stockpiles in Andover or marshalling yards in Reading, or even shooting up Oxford. Think of them as attack wasps roaming independently way in front of the front lines, where no other force can reach as well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1E6FXHQhDQ
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,198
    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of predictions, remember how self-drive cars would never happen? @JosiasJessop?

    "Uber and Lyft drivers say Waymo's robotaxis are hurting their earnings in Phoenix and LA"

    https://archive.is/2024.11.29-132456/https://www.businessinsider.com/waymo-robotaxis-competing-uber-lyft-drivers-phoenix-los-angeles-price-2024-11#selection-1465.0-1465.88

    It's taken longer than many (including me) predicted, but the prediction IS now coming true

    When have I ever said "they would never happen"? Indeed, I hoped (and hope) they will happen, as it would be rather neat for me.

    But these geofenced robotaxis are rather limited compared to what you were claiming.

    Well over ten years have passed, and lorry drivers still exist. In fact, there's no indication they're going away.

    You were wrong. Own it.
    I wasn't wrong, but nor were you. We were both half right. Self driving came later than I predicted and earlier than you did.

    However, where I was entirely right is in machine translation, which -IIRC - you said was basically impossible for machines to truly master. lol

    We now have translators which are literal Babel fish except arguably better
    IIRC, you stated that in ten years, there would be no lorry drivers. You compounded that by saying that it was pointless training to be a lorry driver, as the jobs would go. Those 'predictions' were well over ten years ago.

    And again, show where I said translation was 'basically impossible for machines to truly master'. Go on. Because I'm pretty sure I did not.
    Yeah you did you stupid twat

    Welsh: "Ie, wnest ti, ti'n dwp twp."
    Armenian: "Այո, արեցիր, հիմար ապուշ." (Ayo, arecir, himar apush.)
    Georgian: "ჰო, გააკეთე, შენ სულელი დებილი." (Ho, gaakete, shen suleli debili.)
    Mandarin: "是的,你做了,你这个蠢蛋。" (Shì de, nǐ zuò le, nǐ zhège chǔn dàn.)
    Hebrew: "כן, עשית את זה, טיפש מטומטם." (Ken, asita et ze, tipesh metumtam.)
    How do you know that those are accurate? Though Ydoethur can help with No. 1.
    I just checked: the translations are good
    How did you do that? Ask it?
    Are you really this fucking dim?

    I checked with other, different AI translation devices. eg Google and iTranslate and the like

    Now, maybe they are all conspiring to give us fake translations, even tho they are rival companies with absolutely no cause to do this (quite the opposite), or the translations are good
    No: just checking. And a pretty good reply, thank you.

    (I've been sceptical about machine translation for decades, but that was probably because of reading The Man in the High Castle as a teenager.)
    Do you ever check the results from your calculator on your phone? Do you think "oooh, that might be wrong" and then go away and do the long division sums by hand?

    QED
    I would absolutely check the answer from an LLM on any subject. It is extremely likely to be factually incorrect.
    Translation is likely to be the thing they're best at, what with LLM standing for "Large Language Model".
    No. The standard warnings apply. You will get an answer that looks and feels right, and often it may be right. But the priority is the look and feel - there’s not concept of accuracy in there. See examples of LLMs and maths and code passim.
    And how does a human differ?
    It is conscious and has actual intelligence allowing for the application of logic to new problems. It is not just making the new answer look very much like the old answer.
    Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about. Next
    Never built a computer or written a line of code in your life, have you? And you’ve evidently never sat down with anyone doing research into LLMs.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,682
    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of predictions, remember how self-drive cars would never happen? @JosiasJessop?

    "Uber and Lyft drivers say Waymo's robotaxis are hurting their earnings in Phoenix and LA"

    https://archive.is/2024.11.29-132456/https://www.businessinsider.com/waymo-robotaxis-competing-uber-lyft-drivers-phoenix-los-angeles-price-2024-11#selection-1465.0-1465.88

    It's taken longer than many (including me) predicted, but the prediction IS now coming true

    When have I ever said "they would never happen"? Indeed, I hoped (and hope) they will happen, as it would be rather neat for me.

    But these geofenced robotaxis are rather limited compared to what you were claiming.

    Well over ten years have passed, and lorry drivers still exist. In fact, there's no indication they're going away.

    You were wrong. Own it.
    I wasn't wrong, but nor were you. We were both half right. Self driving came later than I predicted and earlier than you did.

    However, where I was entirely right is in machine translation, which -IIRC - you said was basically impossible for machines to truly master. lol

    We now have translators which are literal Babel fish except arguably better
    IIRC, you stated that in ten years, there would be no lorry drivers. You compounded that by saying that it was pointless training to be a lorry driver, as the jobs would go. Those 'predictions' were well over ten years ago.

    And again, show where I said translation was 'basically impossible for machines to truly master'. Go on. Because I'm pretty sure I did not.
    Yeah you did you stupid twat

    Welsh: "Ie, wnest ti, ti'n dwp twp."
    Armenian: "Այո, արեցիր, հիմար ապուշ." (Ayo, arecir, himar apush.)
    Georgian: "ჰო, გააკეთე, შენ სულელი დებილი." (Ho, gaakete, shen suleli debili.)
    Mandarin: "是的,你做了,你这个蠢蛋。" (Shì de, nǐ zuò le, nǐ zhège chǔn dàn.)
    Hebrew: "כן, עשית את זה, טיפש מטומטם." (Ken, asita et ze, tipesh metumtam.)
    How do you know that those are accurate? Though Ydoethur can help with No. 1.
    I just checked: the translations are good
    How did you do that? Ask it?
    Are you really this fucking dim?

    I checked with other, different AI translation devices. eg Google and iTranslate and the like

    Now, maybe they are all conspiring to give us fake translations, even tho they are rival companies with absolutely no cause to do this (quite the opposite), or the translations are good
    No: just checking. And a pretty good reply, thank you.

    (I've been sceptical about machine translation for decades, but that was probably because of reading The Man in the High Castle as a teenager.)
    Do you ever check the results from your calculator on your phone? Do you think "oooh, that might be wrong" and then go away and do the long division sums by hand?

    QED
    I would absolutely check the answer from an LLM on any subject. It is extremely likely to be factually incorrect.
    Translation is likely to be the thing they're best at, what with LLM standing for "Large Language Model".
    No. The standard warnings apply. You will get an answer that looks and feels right, and often it may be right. But the priority is the look and feel - there’s not concept of accuracy in there. See examples of LLMs and maths and code passim.
    And how does a human differ?
    It is conscious and has actual intelligence allowing for the application of logic to new problems. It is not just making the new answer look very much like the old answer.
    Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about. Next
    Never built a computer or written a line of code in your life, have you? And you’ve evidently never sat down with anyone doing research into LLMs.
    But, but he’s read a lot on Reddit and seen stuff on TwiX.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Paul Mason reposted

    Katie Shoshiashvili
    @KShoshiashvili

    BREAKING: Georgian opposition politician announced that representatives from four coalitions, alongside President
    @Zourabichvili_S, agreed to establish a permanent council.

    The council will coordinate efforts on pressing issues: pushing for new elections, managing nationwide protests, and reinstating connections with the EU to legitimately represent the Georgian people’s voice. The formal launch is set for tomorrow at 17:00.

    https://x.com/KShoshiashvili/status/1862966404317667782
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle these days.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987
    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of predictions, remember how self-drive cars would never happen? @JosiasJessop?

    "Uber and Lyft drivers say Waymo's robotaxis are hurting their earnings in Phoenix and LA"

    https://archive.is/2024.11.29-132456/https://www.businessinsider.com/waymo-robotaxis-competing-uber-lyft-drivers-phoenix-los-angeles-price-2024-11#selection-1465.0-1465.88

    It's taken longer than many (including me) predicted, but the prediction IS now coming true

    When have I ever said "they would never happen"? Indeed, I hoped (and hope) they will happen, as it would be rather neat for me.

    But these geofenced robotaxis are rather limited compared to what you were claiming.

    Well over ten years have passed, and lorry drivers still exist. In fact, there's no indication they're going away.

    You were wrong. Own it.
    I wasn't wrong, but nor were you. We were both half right. Self driving came later than I predicted and earlier than you did.

    However, where I was entirely right is in machine translation, which -IIRC - you said was basically impossible for machines to truly master. lol

    We now have translators which are literal Babel fish except arguably better
    IIRC, you stated that in ten years, there would be no lorry drivers. You compounded that by saying that it was pointless training to be a lorry driver, as the jobs would go. Those 'predictions' were well over ten years ago.

    And again, show where I said translation was 'basically impossible for machines to truly master'. Go on. Because I'm pretty sure I did not.
    Yeah you did you stupid twat

    Welsh: "Ie, wnest ti, ti'n dwp twp."
    Armenian: "Այո, արեցիր, հիմար ապուշ." (Ayo, arecir, himar apush.)
    Georgian: "ჰო, გააკეთე, შენ სულელი დებილი." (Ho, gaakete, shen suleli debili.)
    Mandarin: "是的,你做了,你这个蠢蛋。" (Shì de, nǐ zuò le, nǐ zhège chǔn dàn.)
    Hebrew: "כן, עשית את זה, טיפש מטומטם." (Ken, asita et ze, tipesh metumtam.)
    How do you know that those are accurate? Though Ydoethur can help with No. 1.
    I just checked: the translations are good
    How did you do that? Ask it?
    Are you really this fucking dim?

    I checked with other, different AI translation devices. eg Google and iTranslate and the like

    Now, maybe they are all conspiring to give us fake translations, even tho they are rival companies with absolutely no cause to do this (quite the opposite), or the translations are good
    No: just checking. And a pretty good reply, thank you.

    (I've been sceptical about machine translation for decades, but that was probably because of reading The Man in the High Castle as a teenager.)
    Do you ever check the results from your calculator on your phone? Do you think "oooh, that might be wrong" and then go away and do the long division sums by hand?

    QED
    I would absolutely check the answer from an LLM on any subject. It is extremely likely to be factually incorrect.
    Translation is likely to be the thing they're best at, what with LLM standing for "Large Language Model".
    No. The standard warnings apply. You will get an answer that looks and feels right, and often it may be right. But the priority is the look and feel - there’s not concept of accuracy in there. See examples of LLMs and maths and code passim.
    And how does a human differ?
    It is conscious and has actual intelligence allowing for the application of logic to new problems. It is not just making the new answer look very much like the old answer.
    Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about. Next
    Never built a computer or written a line of code in your life, have you? And you’ve evidently never sat down with anyone doing research into LLMs.
    I think you'll find he knows everything about it. He's mentioned it before. Beyond even esoteric pre-print forefront research. You poor, poor fool. You should hang out on reddit more like a proper researcher.

    I had been chatting with some google deepmind & openai people a while back and was going to give him a heads up about some tidbits. But he explained he knew it all, so... I didn't.

    I feel almost ashamed at my lack of knowledge of the subject these days.
  • Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle week these days.

    Fixed for you...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    "there are still some 150,000 - 200,000 political detainees in Assad's jails"

    https://x.com/rallaf/status/1862994790146543754
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,935
    viewcode said:

    YouTuber TheChieftain on why attack helicopters are not obsolete. The TL:DR is that although they are no longer viable on the front line, they have found a role about 50-250km in front of the front lines, degrading the situation in these less-defended areas. So if the US army landed in Southampton, the Apaches would be attacking stockpiles in Andover or marshalling yards in Reading, or even shooting up Oxford. Think of them as attack wasps roaming independently way in front of the front lines, where no other force can reach as well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1E6FXHQhDQ

    Unless there are patriot batteries covering off thst option.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268

    Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle week these days.

    Fixed for you...
    According to the Sun, he's declaring war on the 'blob'.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32038214/sir-keir-starmer-vows-whitehall-blob-changes/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited November 30

    Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle week these days.

    Fixed for you...
    According to the Sun, he's declaring war on the 'blob'.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32038214/sir-keir-starmer-vows-whitehall-blob-changes/
    Are we sure we changed the government? The back to work drive lasted all of a day when it became clear it was basixally a rebrand of the JobCentre and ducking actually taking tough decisions as they hadn't figured out what to do yet.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,744

    Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle week these days.

    Fixed for you...
    According to the Sun, he's declaring war on the 'blob'.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32038214/sir-keir-starmer-vows-whitehall-blob-changes/
    If that's the reset I suggest he tries turning it off and on again first and seeing if that sorts it instead.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987
    viewcode said:

    YouTuber TheChieftain on why attack helicopters are not obsolete. The TL:DR is that although they are no longer viable on the front line, they have found a role about 50-250km in front of the front lines, degrading the situation in these less-defended areas. So if the US army landed in Southampton, the Apaches would be attacking stockpiles in Andover or marshalling yards in Reading, or even shooting up Oxford. Think of them as attack wasps roaming independently way in front of the front lines, where no other force can reach as well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1E6FXHQhDQ

    I was watching some US YouTube videos about making pickles/ferments at home. Which led the YT algorithm to think I was some sort of military compound/prepper, naturally.

    After watching one of them (which had a quite innocent title) I really did wonder if their 'quite tall' chicken-wire fence would really hold up against a swarm of massively armed Apache helicopters.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987

    Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle week these days.

    Fixed for you...
    According to the Sun, he's declaring war on the 'blob'.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32038214/sir-keir-starmer-vows-whitehall-blob-changes/
    If that's the reset I suggest he tries turning it off and on again first and seeing if that sorts it instead.
    I really wonder if he could find the power button.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,120

    Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle week these days.

    Fixed for you...
    According to the Sun, he's declaring war on the 'blob'.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32038214/sir-keir-starmer-vows-whitehall-blob-changes/
    If that's the reset I suggest he tries turning it off and on again first and seeing if that sorts it instead.
    He won't get any popularity by apeing Tory conspiracy theories. They will still hate him, and he will piss off his few remaining supporters.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945

    Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle week these days.

    Fixed for you...
    According to the Sun, he's declaring war on the 'blob'.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32038214/sir-keir-starmer-vows-whitehall-blob-changes/
    Sounds good to me.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,901
    Sinn Fein have even lost first preference votes in Donegal, where they read out the count results in Irish.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited November 30

    Sinn Fein have even lost first preference votes in Donegal, where they read out the count results in Irish.

    I thought the exit poll still had them doing well on first preference?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175
    viewcode said:

    YouTuber TheChieftain on why attack helicopters are not obsolete. The TL:DR is that although they are no longer viable on the front line, they have found a role about 50-250km in front of the front lines, degrading the situation in these less-defended areas. So if the US army landed in Southampton, the Apaches would be attacking stockpiles in Andover or marshalling yards in Reading, or even shooting up Oxford. Think of them as attack wasps roaming independently way in front of the front lines, where no other force can reach as well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1E6FXHQhDQ

    That's fine for now, but as militaries start buying cheap Anduril type defence drones (cheap enough for anti drone defence) for protecting infrastructure, that won't last, I suspect.
    They're just too expensive and are vulnerable to much cheaper and increasingly more ubiquitous bits of kit.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114

    Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle week these days.

    Fixed for you...
    According to the Sun, he's declaring war on the 'blob'.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32038214/sir-keir-starmer-vows-whitehall-blob-changes/
    Are we sure we changed the government? The back to work drive lasted all of a day when it became clear it was basixally a rebrand of the JobCentre and ducking actually taking tough decisions as they hadn't figured out what to do yet.
    Sounds also like their social care policy.

    The most on the money comment I have so far seen about Starmer's Labour is that they basically were so focussed on winning the election they spend absolutely no time or thought into what they would do when they won.

    Drift doesn't begin to describe it.

    Ed Miliband may be totally wrong but of all of them he at least turned up with a day one plan.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175
    Andy_JS said:

    Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle week these days.

    Fixed for you...
    According to the Sun, he's declaring war on the 'blob'.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32038214/sir-keir-starmer-vows-whitehall-blob-changes/
    Sounds good to me.
    Sounds pretty meaningless to me.
  • Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle week these days.

    Fixed for you...
    According to the Sun, he's declaring war on the 'blob'.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32038214/sir-keir-starmer-vows-whitehall-blob-changes/
    Are we sure we changed the government? The back to work drive lasted all of a day when it became clear it was basixally a rebrand of the JobCentre and ducking actually taking tough decisions as they hadn't figured out what to do yet.
    Sounds also like their social care policy.

    The most on the money comment I have so far seen about Starmer's Labour is that they basically were so focussed on winning the election they spend absolutely no time or thought into what they would do when they won.

    Drift doesn't begin to describe it.

    Ed Miliband may be totally wrong but of all of them he at least turned up with a day one plan.
    It was less Ming Vase more Empty Vessel. New Labour had a plan, Cameron had a plan, since lacking people with a plan or one that survives contact with reality.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175
    Who else knew Mars bars are made in Slough ?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/nov/30/smooth-mars-bar-wins-aylesbury-man-2-compensation-and-internet-fame
    ...A man who became an internet sensation after sharing his Mars bar without the ripple was handed £2 in compensation.

    Harry Seager’s picture of his smooth Mars confectionery bar inspired interest from thousands of members of the Dull Men’s Club Facebook page...

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,835
    Nigelb said:

    Who else knew Mars bars are made in Slough ?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/nov/30/smooth-mars-bar-wins-aylesbury-man-2-compensation-and-internet-fame
    ...A man who became an internet sensation after sharing his Mars bar without the ripple was handed £2 in compensation.

    Harry Seager’s picture of his smooth Mars confectionery bar inspired interest from thousands of members of the Dull Men’s Club Facebook page...

    Well, when it has the ripple, it looks like its skin is sloughing off.

    I'll see myself out.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320

    Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle week these days.

    Fixed for you...
    According to the Sun, he's declaring war on the 'blob'.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32038214/sir-keir-starmer-vows-whitehall-blob-changes/
    Are we sure we changed the government? The back to work drive lasted all of a day when it became clear it was basixally a rebrand of the JobCentre and ducking actually taking tough decisions as they hadn't figured out what to do yet.
    I must admit that I thought Starmer was trolling us with the back to work drive considering everything in his government's budget is designed to push up unemployment. Was there anyone in his Shadow Cabinet team in the last couple of years doing any planning for what came after the day Labour entered Government, anyone? Even the budget seems to have been cobbled together with no wriggle room or a plan B if it doesn't work. If you are having to rehash old Blair/Brown political slogans like borrow to invest it suggests that Starmer's team are completely bereft of new ideas?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,901

    Sinn Fein have even lost first preference votes in Donegal, where they read out the count results in Irish.

    I thought the exit poll still had them doing well on first preference?
    Yes. The exit poll was a bit wrong, and the three parties are close enough that a bit wrong is enough to make it look a lot wrong. It looks a lot wrong.

    The exit poll prediction (with current total with 39/43 constituency first counts completed)

    SF 21.1% (18.7%)
    FG 21% (21.3%)
    FF 19.5% (21.3%)

    The 2020 shares were

    SF 24.5%
    FF 22.2%
    FG 20.9%

    The exit poll wasn't great for SF compared to 2020, but was good compared to the pre-campaign polls. The actual vote share they're getting is really awful. They've gone a long way backwards.
  • England again showing deficiency getting rabbit batters out. A #11 whose highest score is 2, already faced nearly 30 balls and still there.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    edited November 30
    Graeme Archer:

    "In my late twenties, I became clinically depressed and prone to bouts of suicidal ideation — “suicidal”, in un-medical English. From 1993 to 1998 I lived in northern Italy; paradise, apparently, but to me it felt more like a J.G. Ballard novel.

    Everyone was partnered, successful and “shiny”. I — an Iris Murdoch-obsessed homosexual statistician — lay on the lakeside beach, dully hungry from the latest pointless attempt to lose weight, surrounded by the mountains about whose majesty everyone insisted. I saw nothing but rocks. No bildungsroman lurked, waiting to be written: just pointlessness mixed with failure.

    That sense of being “outside, looking in” at what others took for granted and which they claimed was the obvious key to contentment at times became unbearable."

    https://unherd.com/2024/11/what-the-death-bill-tells-us-about-life/
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,808

    Paul Mason reposted

    Katie Shoshiashvili
    @KShoshiashvili

    BREAKING: Georgian opposition politician announced that representatives from four coalitions, alongside President
    @Zourabichvili_S, agreed to establish a permanent council.

    The council will coordinate efforts on pressing issues: pushing for new elections, managing nationwide protests, and reinstating connections with the EU to legitimately represent the Georgian people’s voice. The formal launch is set for tomorrow at 17:00.

    https://x.com/KShoshiashvili/status/1862966404317667782

    Sounds awfully like not accepting the result to me.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,901

    Paul Mason reposted

    Katie Shoshiashvili
    @KShoshiashvili

    BREAKING: Georgian opposition politician announced that representatives from four coalitions, alongside President
    @Zourabichvili_S, agreed to establish a permanent council.

    The council will coordinate efforts on pressing issues: pushing for new elections, managing nationwide protests, and reinstating connections with the EU to legitimately represent the Georgian people’s voice. The formal launch is set for tomorrow at 17:00.

    https://x.com/KShoshiashvili/status/1862966404317667782

    Sounds awfully like not accepting the result to me.
    Why would you accept an election result that was stolen with literal ballot stuffing?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,811
    MattW said:

    Ooof. Pete Hegseth - Trump's pick for Secretary of Defence has been denounced by his mum as an abuser of women in an email she sent him in 2018.

    The guy presents as a right-wing nationalist Evangelical.

    (Aside: Trump has refused to have the FBI background check his candidates.)

    Son,

    I have tried to keep quiet about your character and behavior, but after listening to the way you made Samantha feel today, I cannot stay silent. And as a woman and your mother I feel I must speak out..

    You are an abuser of women — that is the ugly truth and I have no respect for any man that belittles, lies, cheats, sleeps around, and uses women for his own power and ego. You are that man (and have been for years) and as your mother, it pains me and embarrasses me to say that, but it is the sad, sad truth.

    I am not a saint, far from it.. so don’t throw that in my face,. but your abuse over the years to women (dishonesty, sleeping around, betrayal, debasing, belittling) needs to be called out...


    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/29/us/politics/hegseth-email-text.html

    I wonder if Hegseth cut and pasted that into his job application to Trump. More than enough to get him the gig, surely.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    As rumoured, Trump nominates Kash Patel as FBI director:

    https://x.com/bencjacobs/status/1863008207024664831
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114

    As rumoured, Trump nominates Kash Patel as FBI director:

    https://x.com/bencjacobs/status/1863008207024664831

    President-elect Donald J. Trump said on Saturday that he wants to replace Christopher A. Wray, the F.B.I. director, with Kash Patel, a hard-line critic of the bureau who has called for shutting down the agency’s Washington headquarters, firing its leadership and bringing the nation’s law enforcement agencies “to heel.”

    NY Times blog
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268

    As rumoured, Trump nominates Kash Patel as FBI director:

    https://x.com/bencjacobs/status/1863008207024664831

    President-elect Donald J. Trump said on Saturday that he wants to replace Christopher A. Wray, the F.B.I. director, with Kash Patel, a hard-line critic of the bureau who has called for shutting down the agency’s Washington headquarters, firing its leadership and bringing the nation’s law enforcement agencies “to heel.”

    NY Times blog
    He wants to turn the Hoover Building into a museum of the deep state.

    https://x.com/shawnryanshow/status/1858955333533921459
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,120
    Nigelb said:

    Who else knew Mars bars are made in Slough ?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/nov/30/smooth-mars-bar-wins-aylesbury-man-2-compensation-and-internet-fame
    ...A man who became an internet sensation after sharing his Mars bar without the ripple was handed £2 in compensation.

    Harry Seager’s picture of his smooth Mars confectionery bar inspired interest from thousands of members of the Dull Men’s Club Facebook page...

    I did. My Sister in Law used to work there.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,932
    edited December 1
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of predictions, remember how self-drive cars would never happen? @JosiasJessop?

    "Uber and Lyft drivers say Waymo's robotaxis are hurting their earnings in Phoenix and LA"

    https://archive.is/2024.11.29-132456/https://www.businessinsider.com/waymo-robotaxis-competing-uber-lyft-drivers-phoenix-los-angeles-price-2024-11#selection-1465.0-1465.88

    It's taken longer than many (including me) predicted, but the prediction IS now coming true

    When have I ever said "they would never happen"? Indeed, I hoped (and hope) they will happen, as it would be rather neat for me.

    But these geofenced robotaxis are rather limited compared to what you were claiming.

    Well over ten years have passed, and lorry drivers still exist. In fact, there's no indication they're going away.

    You were wrong. Own it.
    I wasn't wrong, but nor were you. We were both half right. Self driving came later than I predicted and earlier than you did.

    However, where I was entirely right is in machine translation, which -IIRC - you said was basically impossible for machines to truly master. lol

    We now have translators which are literal Babel fish except arguably better
    IIRC, you stated that in ten years, there would be no lorry drivers. You compounded that by saying that it was pointless training to be a lorry driver, as the jobs would go. Those 'predictions' were well over ten years ago.

    And again, show where I said translation was 'basically impossible for machines to truly master'. Go on. Because I'm pretty sure I did not.
    Yeah you did you stupid twat

    Welsh: "Ie, wnest ti, ti'n dwp twp."
    Armenian: "Այո, արեցիր, հիմար ապուշ." (Ayo, arecir, himar apush.)
    Georgian: "ჰო, გააკეთე, შენ სულელი დებილი." (Ho, gaakete, shen suleli debili.)
    Mandarin: "是的,你做了,你这个蠢蛋。" (Shì de, nǐ zuò le, nǐ zhège chǔn dàn.)
    Hebrew: "כן, עשית את זה, טיפש מטומטם." (Ken, asita et ze, tipesh metumtam.)
    How do you know that those are accurate? Though Ydoethur can help with No. 1.
    I just checked: the translations are good
    How did you do that? Ask it?
    Are you really this fucking dim?

    I checked with other, different AI translation devices. eg Google and iTranslate and the like

    Now, maybe they are all conspiring to give us fake translations, even tho they are rival companies with absolutely no cause to do this (quite the opposite), or the translations are good
    No: just checking. And a pretty good reply, thank you.

    (I've been sceptical about machine translation for decades, but that was probably because of reading The Man in the High Castle as a teenager.)
    Do you ever check the results from your calculator on your phone? Do you think "oooh, that might be wrong" and then go away and do the long division sums by hand?

    QED
    I certainly do a mental arithmetic check to make sure it seems about right. That's in case of keying errors, but there was one model of scientific calculator in the 1980s or so that gave wrong answers if the battery was a little low.
    Anyone sensible would do the same. It is a fortunate problem when using a m/c that an error usually causes a way out result so doing a ball park check makes a lot of sense. It is also a standard question type in IQ tests so you would think someone who professes to have a high IQ would be familiar with the technique.
  • How are you all doing in this election?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    Cricket has changed a bit....test match debut, 37 ball 50...bosh.
  • Foxy said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?

    We can’t know until tomorrow. But the thing to watch is the reactions of countries with embassies/consulates in place and/or aid workers out there in numbers.

    Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
    If there really is a coup taking place by now we'd be seeing a flood of images and videos from locals in Damascus. We are not

    My guess is there has perhaps been some sporadic gunfire from rebels in the city (because rebels clearly ARE on the march elsewhere in Syria) and they're trying to spook and roil the regime while Assad is away, by making it out to be much bigger

    Assad does look imperilled, however
    Weren't there reports he is in Moscow currently?
    Apparently landed in Damascus several hours ago...
    Ah ok thanks, I'm just catching up. Have rather selfishly been focused on living my life today.
    Call yourself a PBer? There is no such thing as "life"
    I dunno. We once had a poster called @SeanT who had about twelve of them.
    I think he retired, having made his millions as an early investor in What3Words.
    I heard he retired because he correctly predicted the pandemic about a month before everyone else. But the past is shrouded in myth
    No, that was someone called eadric, as I recall
    Just for the record, so that I can claim this one over @Leon - the US outbreak of avian flu now spreading widely to milking cows and some pigs is gonna be a bastard human pandemic in a year or so's time.
    Yes. That virus is busy mutating and edging closer to fully making the transition to a human flu.
    We are pretty good at flu vaccination. Prior to 2020 there was no corona virus vaccines in existence. I wouldnt worry. I’d wait until Feigel dingbat starts shrieking.
    Yes. My understanding is that there's already an H5 vaccine. But there's likely to be a bit of a gap between it definitively making the species jump and a vaccine being widely available. A shorter time compared to Covid, but some time nevertheless.
    Flu tends not to be infectious without symptoms. That was the real kicker for covid. It made isolation and track and trace very, very hard.
    We are all scarred by covid (some very much so, as X will show) but we need to remember that covid was a 1 in a century event. We’d be bloody unlucky to get two of those in five years.
    I think you're being complacent here. The annual risk of a pandemic is probably growing (increased encroachment on animals harbouring nasty viruses, more people and global travel).

    The good news is we have better vaccines and antivirals now and more coming...
    The bad news is that anti-vaxers and anti-sciencers have never had such massive influence in the world.

    We are beginning a new Dark Age of unreason and superstition.
    If a vaccine doesn't stop transmission..it's not much of a vaccine by any definition..hardly "anti science" to point that out..🧐
  • How are you all doing in this election?

    Incredulous about The Monk.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,830

    Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle these days.

    You can't polish a turd.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited December 1
    Fresh questions for BBC over Gregg Wallace claims
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k8kryvdjno

    Revealed: emails show BBC was warned about Gregg Wallace in 2017
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/article/gregg-wallace-bbc-allegations-accused-d8hkq63fp

    Is there anybody who met him who now doesn't have a story / complaint?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175

    As rumoured, Trump nominates Kash Patel as FBI director:

    https://x.com/bencjacobs/status/1863008207024664831

    President-elect Donald J. Trump said on Saturday that he wants to replace Christopher A. Wray, the F.B.I. director, with Kash Patel, a hard-line critic of the bureau who has called for shutting down the agency’s Washington headquarters, firing its leadership and bringing the nation’s law enforcement agencies “to heel.”

    NY Times blog
    Sounds like he's on board with the whole dictatorship thing.
    ...We will go out and find the conspirators — not just in government, but in the media ... we're going to come after the people in the media who lied about American citizens, who helped Joe Biden rig presidential elections ... We're going to come after you. Whether it's criminally or civilly, we'll figure that out. But yeah, we're putting you all on notice...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: time to try and work out how the race might go. Hmm.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    F1: important note: Verstappen has a 1 place grid penalty. A weirdly small one but it shifts him from pole to 2nd.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,409
    Could Elon Musk be on the cusp of giving Nigel Farage $100m?: Tesla tycoon could splash cash in 'f*** you Starmer payment' that could also obliterate Conservatives as Labour's main rival, Tory insiders fear
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/elon-musk-reform-nigel-farage-prime-minister.html
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320

    F1: important note: Verstappen has a 1 place grid penalty. A weirdly small one but it shifts him from pole to 2nd.

    Since when?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175
    The amount of armoured equipment being left behind by regime forces is staggering!

    They are just running away literally.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/1862898890069930029

    The rebel advance threatens to cut off Damascus from the Russian naval base.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,409

    Could Elon Musk be on the cusp of giving Nigel Farage $100m?: Tesla tycoon could splash cash in 'f*** you Starmer payment' that could also obliterate Conservatives as Labour's main rival, Tory insiders fear
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/elon-musk-reform-nigel-farage-prime-minister.html

    Will Elon Musk give Nigel Farage $100m to make him PM?
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/elon-musk-pay-nigel-farage-prime-minister-xts720xsp
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608

    Could Elon Musk be on the cusp of giving Nigel Farage $100m?: Tesla tycoon could splash cash in 'f*** you Starmer payment' that could also obliterate Conservatives as Labour's main rival, Tory insiders fear
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/elon-musk-reform-nigel-farage-prime-minister.html

    Will Elon Musk give Nigel Farage $100m to make him PM?
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/elon-musk-pay-nigel-farage-prime-minister-xts720xsp
    I think that's likely to have the same effect as the Guardian getting involved in the US election.
  • I’m currently implementing ChatGPT into our platform.

    Beyond the fact that every company thinks that adding an API call means they’re somehow an AI company and therefore it’s hard to conclude it isn’t just an overhyped bandwagon, what really fascinates me is that everyone that advocates for it has no idea what on Earth they are talking about.

    If ChatGPT told me it was raining I would go and check myself. Because it will quite happily hallucinate any such rubbish and present it in a vaguely convincing way.

    I recently had a case where it couldn’t add two numbers together. I asked it to show its workings and they were correct, just the answer was wrong.

    And that is because it has no actual concept of why the answer is what it is or why it was wrong. It just spits out garbage.

    The fact that a few people here who - no disrespect to them - think it is so amazing despite no experience or understanding of the field or anything on the periphery makes me very confident that it won’t ever go beyond being a vague efficiency booster. It will not be replacing any jobs any time soon and as long as people keep saying it will despite not understanding it, I will remain of that view.

    It is incredibly tiring reading the same nonsense from a few people that really do not understand what they are talking about.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,409
    rcs1000 said:

    Could Elon Musk be on the cusp of giving Nigel Farage $100m?: Tesla tycoon could splash cash in 'f*** you Starmer payment' that could also obliterate Conservatives as Labour's main rival, Tory insiders fear
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/elon-musk-reform-nigel-farage-prime-minister.html

    Will Elon Musk give Nigel Farage $100m to make him PM?
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/elon-musk-pay-nigel-farage-prime-minister-xts720xsp
    I think that's likely to have the same effect as the Guardian getting involved in the US election.
    There is a huge difference, surely, in that Musk is not just offering verbal support but more cash than any party has spent on an election. In fact, Reform's main problem might be finding enough things to spend it on.

    One benefit might be a sudden interest in the old parties in tightening up the laws on foreign donations.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Nigelb said:

    The amount of armoured equipment being left behind by regime forces is staggering!

    They are just running away literally.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/1862898890069930029

    The rebel advance threatens to cut off Damascus from the Russian naval base.

    Russian shades of Biden's decision to do a midnight flit from Bagram airport in Afghanistan leaving the entire area and especially Kabul without any air support which led to the abasolute chaotic withdrawal of Western embassies and their support teams among other key personal as well as the collapse of the Aghan Government in Kabul....
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Many thanks for the latest update Morris_Dancer, much appreciated.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175
    rcs1000 said:

    Could Elon Musk be on the cusp of giving Nigel Farage $100m?: Tesla tycoon could splash cash in 'f*** you Starmer payment' that could also obliterate Conservatives as Labour's main rival, Tory insiders fear
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/elon-musk-reform-nigel-farage-prime-minister.html

    Will Elon Musk give Nigel Farage $100m to make him PM?
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/elon-musk-pay-nigel-farage-prime-minister-xts720xsp
    I think that's likely to have the same effect as the Guardian getting involved in the US election.
    Cash is different; especially in those quantities.
    Being able to buy your way to electoral competitiveness with billionaire cash is a deeply malign development that I hope we don't import from the US. But it looks possible.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    fitalass said:

    Many thanks for the latest update Morris_Dancer, much appreciated.

    No worries. I was confused by the odds, checked the official website and then confused by a 1 place grid penalty for being slow on an out lap, which happens hundreds of times a season yet has suddenly become a punishable offence.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175
    fitalass said:

    Nigelb said:

    The amount of armoured equipment being left behind by regime forces is staggering!

    They are just running away literally.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/1862898890069930029

    The rebel advance threatens to cut off Damascus from the Russian naval base.

    Russian shades of Biden's decision to do a midnight flit from Bagram airport in Afghanistan leaving the entire area and especially Kabul without any air support which led to the abasolute chaotic withdrawal of Western embassies and their support teams among other key personal as well as the collapse of the Aghan Government in Kabul....
    That seems a popular comparison.
    Not quite the same thing, as Russia hadn't decided to pull out; but the outcome certainly seems to have similarities.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,175
    I wonder how the French feel about welcoming an ex con as their new ambassador ?

    Trump announces Charles Kushner, Jared's father, as his nominee to be Ambassador to France
    https://x.com/Bencjacobs/status/1862925339384566179

    As a representative of the new administration (as opposed to the US), I suppose it's quite apt.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,123
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Could Elon Musk be on the cusp of giving Nigel Farage $100m?: Tesla tycoon could splash cash in 'f*** you Starmer payment' that could also obliterate Conservatives as Labour's main rival, Tory insiders fear
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/elon-musk-reform-nigel-farage-prime-minister.html

    Will Elon Musk give Nigel Farage $100m to make him PM?
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/elon-musk-pay-nigel-farage-prime-minister-xts720xsp
    I think that's likely to have the same effect as the Guardian getting involved in the US election.
    Cash is different; especially in those quantities.
    Being able to buy your way to electoral competitiveness with billionaire cash is a deeply malign development that I hope we don't import from the US. But it looks possible.
    It is against the law, of course, and I hope we strictly enforce things, so that the malign American way of doing things is stopped.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,123
    fitalass said:

    Nigelb said:

    The amount of armoured equipment being left behind by regime forces is staggering!

    They are just running away literally.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/1862898890069930029

    The rebel advance threatens to cut off Damascus from the Russian naval base.

    Russian shades of Biden's decision to do a midnight flit from Bagram airport in Afghanistan leaving the entire area and especially Kabul without any air support which led to the abasolute chaotic withdrawal of Western embassies and their support teams among other key personal as well as the collapse of the Aghan Government in Kabul....
    We were waiting for a Russian collapse in Ukraine, seems like it is happening in Syria first.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,409
    Cicero said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Could Elon Musk be on the cusp of giving Nigel Farage $100m?: Tesla tycoon could splash cash in 'f*** you Starmer payment' that could also obliterate Conservatives as Labour's main rival, Tory insiders fear
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/elon-musk-reform-nigel-farage-prime-minister.html

    Will Elon Musk give Nigel Farage $100m to make him PM?
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/elon-musk-pay-nigel-farage-prime-minister-xts720xsp
    I think that's likely to have the same effect as the Guardian getting involved in the US election.
    Cash is different; especially in those quantities.
    Being able to buy your way to electoral competitiveness with billionaire cash is a deeply malign development that I hope we don't import from the US. But it looks possible.
    It is against the law, of course, and I hope we strictly enforce things, so that the malign American way of doing things is stopped.
    Keep wishing.

    UK politics infiltrated by ‘dark money’ with 10% of donations from dubious sources
    Cash from dictatorships and shell companies is entering the political system via legal loopholes

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/30/uk-political-donations-dark-money
  • Cicero said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Could Elon Musk be on the cusp of giving Nigel Farage $100m?: Tesla tycoon could splash cash in 'f*** you Starmer payment' that could also obliterate Conservatives as Labour's main rival, Tory insiders fear
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/elon-musk-reform-nigel-farage-prime-minister.html

    Will Elon Musk give Nigel Farage $100m to make him PM?
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/elon-musk-pay-nigel-farage-prime-minister-xts720xsp
    I think that's likely to have the same effect as the Guardian getting involved in the US election.
    Cash is different; especially in those quantities.
    Being able to buy your way to electoral competitiveness with billionaire cash is a deeply malign development that I hope we don't import from the US. But it looks possible.
    It is against the law, of course, and I hope we strictly enforce things, so that the malign American way of doing things is stopped.
    It is against the law currently and I know of several Labour MPs who will face challenges in the courts in the next few months, mainly in the North East. However the law is difficult if not impossible to enforce whilst easy to use to throw shit at opponents.

    With this government reporting the facts will be damning enough. If I had a better memory I would be able to name the US politician of the 1950s who responded to an attack by "If my opponent promises to stop telling lies about me I promise to stop telling the truth about him" ?

    Keir Starmer is more in danger of being damaged by the truth than by lies.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,120
    edited December 1

    I’m currently implementing ChatGPT into our platform.

    Beyond the fact that every company thinks that adding an API call means they’re somehow an AI company and therefore it’s hard to conclude it isn’t just an overhyped bandwagon, what really fascinates me is that everyone that advocates for it has no idea what on Earth they are talking about.

    If ChatGPT told me it was raining I would go and check myself. Because it will quite happily hallucinate any such rubbish and present it in a vaguely convincing way.

    I recently had a case where it couldn’t add two numbers together. I asked it to show its workings and they were correct, just the answer was wrong.

    And that is because it has no actual concept of why the answer is what it is or why it was wrong. It just spits out garbage.

    The fact that a few people here who - no disrespect to them - think it is so amazing despite no experience or understanding of the field or anything on the periphery makes me very confident that it won’t ever go beyond being a vague efficiency booster. It will not be replacing any jobs any time soon and as long as people keep saying it will despite not understanding it, I will remain of that view.

    It is incredibly tiring reading the same nonsense from a few people that really do not understand what they are talking about.

    This is how I think AI will be used at work:


  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Foxy said:

    I’m currently implementing ChatGPT into our platform.

    Beyond the fact that every company thinks that adding an API call means they’re somehow an AI company and therefore it’s hard to conclude it isn’t just an overhyped bandwagon, what really fascinates me is that everyone that advocates for it has no idea what on Earth they are talking about.

    If ChatGPT told me it was raining I would go and check myself. Because it will quite happily hallucinate any such rubbish and present it in a vaguely convincing way.

    I recently had a case where it couldn’t add two numbers together. I asked it to show its workings and they were correct, just the answer was wrong.

    And that is because it has no actual concept of why the answer is what it is or why it was wrong. It just spits out garbage.

    The fact that a few people here who - no disrespect to them - think it is so amazing despite no experience or understanding of the field or anything on the periphery makes me very confident that it won’t ever go beyond being a vague efficiency booster. It will not be replacing any jobs any time soon and as long as people keep saying it will despite not understanding it, I will remain of that view.

    It is incredibly tiring reading the same nonsense from a few people that really do not understand what they are talking about.

    This is how I think AI will be used at work:


    Dr. Foxy, back before algorithm changes and AI set fire to my regular workload, there was a suggestion about using it for high volume but low size (one or two sentence) tasks. Thankfully, another person responded to that idea that using AI would actually take longer than not using it, because inputting the prompt info and copying the response would be more time-consuming than a human just doing the work.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,935
    Cicero said:

    fitalass said:

    Nigelb said:

    The amount of armoured equipment being left behind by regime forces is staggering!

    They are just running away literally.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/1862898890069930029

    The rebel advance threatens to cut off Damascus from the Russian naval base.

    Russian shades of Biden's decision to do a midnight flit from Bagram airport in Afghanistan leaving the entire area and especially Kabul without any air support which led to the abasolute chaotic withdrawal of Western embassies and their support teams among other key personal as well as the collapse of the Aghan Government in Kabul....
    We were waiting for a Russian collapse in Ukraine, seems like it is happening in Syria first.
    The Russians didn't seem to have a balanced force in Syria. They provided air support for the Assad regime whilst they built a warm deep-water port at Tartus. Tartus is well north of Damascus, due west of Hama which Assad's forces have abandoned. It is doubtful the Russians can hold Tartus without any wider support.

    A Russian plane was shot down over Alleppo. There was also a report that an airbase was overrun leaving behind 5 Russian planes.

    13 years of Russian assistance seems to be coming to an end. A strategic disaster for Russia, to add to Georgia, Ukraine and the economy.
  • I’m currently implementing ChatGPT into our platform.

    Beyond the fact that every company thinks that adding an API call means they’re somehow an AI company and therefore it’s hard to conclude it isn’t just an overhyped bandwagon, what really fascinates me is that everyone that advocates for it has no idea what on Earth they are talking about.

    If ChatGPT told me it was raining I would go and check myself. Because it will quite happily hallucinate any such rubbish and present it in a vaguely convincing way.

    I recently had a case where it couldn’t add two numbers together. I asked it to show its workings and they were correct, just the answer was wrong.

    And that is because it has no actual concept of why the answer is what it is or why it was wrong. It just spits out garbage.

    The fact that a few people here who - no disrespect to them - think it is so amazing despite no experience or understanding of the field or anything on the periphery makes me very confident that it won’t ever go beyond being a vague efficiency booster. It will not be replacing any jobs any time soon and as long as people keep saying it will despite not understanding it, I will remain of that view.

    It is incredibly tiring reading the same nonsense from a few people that really do not understand what they are talking about.

    I don't think it hallucinates as such, when I have used it it just bullshits as necessary like an A Level Essay. In my specialist subject Local History it can find stuff that has been effectively lost in time but then when it doesn't fit together it is happy to make the bridge. We shouldn't always focus on the fails but they are the ones we inevitably notice. I asked it to draw a picture of my town in the mid 18th C from detailed descriptions in deeds. The drawing was wonderfully detailed and included the labels Dwellinghouse, Boghouse, dunghillstead etc etc but absolutely ignored the layout as given in the documents, even when prompted. Thus, "the houses would mainly be single storied and thatched" and the drawing came back different but still with slates on the roofs and two levels of windows. Houses were not drawn together even when the source I had given it said one was built on the other.

    But as my vet used to say before we both retired, you can go to 100 calvings and get 99 live calves but in the pub they will always be talking about the dead one.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,993

    Cicero said:

    fitalass said:

    Nigelb said:

    The amount of armoured equipment being left behind by regime forces is staggering!

    They are just running away literally.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/1862898890069930029

    The rebel advance threatens to cut off Damascus from the Russian naval base.

    Russian shades of Biden's decision to do a midnight flit from Bagram airport in Afghanistan leaving the entire area and especially Kabul without any air support which led to the abasolute chaotic withdrawal of Western embassies and their support teams among other key personal as well as the collapse of the Aghan Government in Kabul....
    We were waiting for a Russian collapse in Ukraine, seems like it is happening in Syria first.
    The Russians didn't seem to have a balanced force in Syria. They provided air support for the Assad regime whilst they built a warm deep-water port at Tartus. Tartus is well north of Damascus, due west of Hama which Assad's forces have abandoned. It is doubtful the Russians can hold Tartus without any wider support.

    A Russian plane was shot down over Alleppo. There was also a report that an airbase was overrun leaving behind 5 Russian planes.

    13 years of Russian assistance seems to be coming to an end. A strategic disaster for Russia, to add to Georgia, Ukraine and the economy.
    Almost as if Putin was trying to fight too many wars at the same time, and is now for logistics purposes totally out of men and machines. Ukranians have been droning more golf buggies this week, because the enemy doesn’t have any armoured troop carriers any more and their infantry are like sitting ducks in civilian vehicles.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,993

    Could Elon Musk be on the cusp of giving Nigel Farage $100m?: Tesla tycoon could splash cash in 'f*** you Starmer payment' that could also obliterate Conservatives as Labour's main rival, Tory insiders fear
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/elon-musk-reform-nigel-farage-prime-minister.html

    Will Elon Musk give Nigel Farage $100m to make him PM?
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/elon-musk-pay-nigel-farage-prime-minister-xts720xsp
    The Electoral Commision might have something to say about such a large foreign donation to any political party. Although perhaps that’s what Farage wants to happen.

    That said, Musk didn’t even spend $100m in cash on the American election, his PAC raised only about $65m. But let’s not make British politics any more like American politics than it is already.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,120
    edited December 1
    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    fitalass said:

    Nigelb said:

    The amount of armoured equipment being left behind by regime forces is staggering!

    They are just running away literally.

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/1862898890069930029

    The rebel advance threatens to cut off Damascus from the Russian naval base.

    Russian shades of Biden's decision to do a midnight flit from Bagram airport in Afghanistan leaving the entire area and especially Kabul without any air support which led to the abasolute chaotic withdrawal of Western embassies and their support teams among other key personal as well as the collapse of the Aghan Government in Kabul....
    We were waiting for a Russian collapse in Ukraine, seems like it is happening in Syria first.
    The Russians didn't seem to have a balanced force in Syria. They provided air support for the Assad regime whilst they built a warm deep-water port at Tartus. Tartus is well north of Damascus, due west of Hama which Assad's forces have abandoned. It is doubtful the Russians can hold Tartus without any wider support.

    A Russian plane was shot down over Alleppo. There was also a report that an airbase was overrun leaving behind 5 Russian planes.

    13 years of Russian assistance seems to be coming to an end. A strategic disaster for Russia, to add to Georgia, Ukraine and the economy.
    Almost as if Putin was trying to fight too many wars at the same time, and is now for logistics purposes totally out of men and machines. Ukranians have been droning more golf buggies this week, because the enemy doesn’t have any armoured troop carriers any more and their infantry are like sitting ducks in civilian vehicles.
    Both sides are getting exhausted, perhaps we are approaching the culmination.

    My son was in Tiblisi last week, I'm glad it wasn't this week.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,991
    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,409
    Sandpit said:

    Could Elon Musk be on the cusp of giving Nigel Farage $100m?: Tesla tycoon could splash cash in 'f*** you Starmer payment' that could also obliterate Conservatives as Labour's main rival, Tory insiders fear
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/elon-musk-reform-nigel-farage-prime-minister.html

    Will Elon Musk give Nigel Farage $100m to make him PM?
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/elon-musk-pay-nigel-farage-prime-minister-xts720xsp
    The Electoral Commision might have something to say about such a large foreign donation to any political party. Although perhaps that’s what Farage wants to happen.

    That said, Musk didn’t even spend $100m in cash on the American election, his PAC raised only about $65m. But let’s not make British politics any more like American politics than it is already.
    Musk would make more of a splash by lending Reform a couple of TwiX advert experts, a bit like Cummings and Brexit. Channelled through Anglo-X plc if necessary.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,409

    Cicero said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Could Elon Musk be on the cusp of giving Nigel Farage $100m?: Tesla tycoon could splash cash in 'f*** you Starmer payment' that could also obliterate Conservatives as Labour's main rival, Tory insiders fear
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144753/elon-musk-reform-nigel-farage-prime-minister.html

    Will Elon Musk give Nigel Farage $100m to make him PM?
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/elon-musk-pay-nigel-farage-prime-minister-xts720xsp
    I think that's likely to have the same effect as the Guardian getting involved in the US election.
    Cash is different; especially in those quantities.
    Being able to buy your way to electoral competitiveness with billionaire cash is a deeply malign development that I hope we don't import from the US. But it looks possible.
    It is against the law, of course, and I hope we strictly enforce things, so that the malign American way of doing things is stopped.
    It is against the law currently and I know of several Labour MPs who will face challenges in the courts in the next few months, mainly in the North East. However the law is difficult if not impossible to enforce whilst easy to use to throw shit at opponents.

    With this government reporting the facts will be damning enough. If I had a better memory I would be able to name the US politician of the 1950s who responded to an attack by "If my opponent promises to stop telling lies about me I promise to stop telling the truth about him" ?

    Keir Starmer is more in danger of being damaged by the truth than by lies.
    Adlai Stevenson.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890
    edited December 1
    Andy_JS said:

    Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle week these days.

    Fixed for you...
    According to the Sun, he's declaring war on the 'blob'.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32038214/sir-keir-starmer-vows-whitehall-blob-changes/
    Sounds good to me.
    But the "Blob" doesn't exist. It is an imaginary construct by the right wing media. So Starmer is declaring war on an imaginary threat? Right...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited December 1
    Taz said:

    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61

    I am surprised he didn't say they only come from fat ugly slappers who don't get any....that seems to be in keeping with his patter.

    The question is, yet again, everybody seemed to know what he was like, while nobody seemed to do anything about it. All in plain sight, but can't upset the talent....Wuselly Brand, Huw Edwards, etc.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144
    edited December 1
    Hot off the press this grey morning, and probably about to meet the curse of the new thread, the Sunday Rawnsley:

    It is a truth now pretty much universally acknowledged within the government that it has got off to a much stickier start than it expected. In too many areas, it has hit the ground not running, but stumbling. So one purpose of this week’s prime ministerial event that you mustn’t call a relaunch is to demonstrate that he has a firm focus and tight grip on the domestic agenda.

    The “Plan for Change” will add detail to what Labour hopes to have achieved by the time of the next election and it will unveil new goals linked to the “five missions”. This is an acknowledgement that its future fortunes are inextricably linked to whether it can improve living standards and public services, as well as levels of voter satisfaction with both.

    There is a case for a carefully selected number of properly focussed targets. Done well, these can provide stars for government departments to steer by, and prompts to energise ministers and their officials. The case against them, especially if they are poorly chosen or if there are too many of them, is that targets become not a spur to performance but a distraction, which distorts activity in a damaging way.

    Thursday’s big event is not just aimed at the public. It is also designed to be an electric jolt to Whitehall to get with the programme. The external story will try to convey to voters what Labour hopes to achieve over the course of this parliament. The internal one, in the words of one cabinet member, is about injecting a lot more urgency into the civil service by “galvanising Whitehall and getting it to focus on the government’s priorities”.

    The prime minister will be pinning his reputation to delivery this week. Another way of putting it is to say that he is acknowledging the reality of presidential modern politics. Voters hold the man (or woman) at the top responsible for the performance of the government as a whole. Since that can’t be ducked, it might as well be embraced, risks and all. Because if he can’t produce the change he’s promising, Sir Keir’s “delivery milestones” will be hung around his neck.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,409

    Andy_JS said:

    Indie reporting tonight that Starmer will do a "reset" next week.

    These governmental resets come earlier and earlier in the cycle week these days.

    Fixed for you...
    According to the Sun, he's declaring war on the 'blob'.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32038214/sir-keir-starmer-vows-whitehall-blob-changes/
    Sounds good to me.
    But the "Blob" doesn't exist. It is an imaginary construct by the right wing media. So Starmer is declaring war on an imaginary threat? Right...
    Sfaict Starmer does not use the word blob (although he does employ the silly oil tanker metaphor) but read it for yourself at
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32038935/sir-keir-starmer-government-oil-tanker-change/
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,409

    Taz said:

    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61

    I am surprised he didn't say they only come from fat ugly slappers who don't get any....that seems to be in keeping with his patter.

    The question is, yet again, everybody seemed to know what he was like, while nobody seemed to do anything about it. All in plain sight, but can't upset the talent....Wuselly Brand, Huw Edwards, etc.
    What is the inverse of a chicken and egg problem? I've not read every account but there is a pattern of behaviour going back a decade or more. It is that duration and repetition that make this scandalous. No single incident amounts to a crime. There is no rape or indecent assault. Nothing that could not have been nipped in the bud by a stern warning from HR or the producers, if only people had responded at the time rather than waiting till now. It's not like Savile or Al-Fayed, or even like Schofield or Edwards.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited December 1

    Taz said:

    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61

    I am surprised he didn't say they only come from fat ugly slappers who don't get any....that seems to be in keeping with his patter.

    The question is, yet again, everybody seemed to know what he was like, while nobody seemed to do anything about it. All in plain sight, but can't upset the talent....Wuselly Brand, Huw Edwards, etc.
    What is the inverse of a chicken and egg problem? I've not read every account but there is a pattern of behaviour going back a decade or more. It is that duration and repetition that make this scandalous. No single incident amounts to a crime. There is no rape or indecent assault. Nothing that could not have been nipped in the bud by a stern warning from HR or the producers, if only people had responded at the time rather than waiting till now. It's not like Savile or Al-Fayed, or even like Schofield or Edwards.
    This is my general rule about incidents were something inappropriate has been said. Is it a one off or is there a pattern of behaviour. The sheer volume and extended period seems like he is banged to rights, rather than one singular off colour remark.

    As for nothing criminal, there are reported incidents that are a bit dicey around women saying that they were groped by him.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,409
    IanB2 said:

    Hot off the press this grey morning, and probably about to meet the curse of the new thread, the Sunday Rawnsley:

    It is a truth now pretty much universally acknowledged within the government that it has got off to a much stickier start than it expected. In too many areas, it has hit the ground not running, but stumbling. So one purpose of this week’s prime ministerial event that you mustn’t call a relaunch is to demonstrate that he has a firm focus and tight grip on the domestic agenda.

    The “Plan for Change” will add detail to what Labour hopes to have achieved by the time of the next election and it will unveil new goals linked to the “five missions”. This is an acknowledgement that its future fortunes are inextricably linked to whether it can improve living standards and public services, as well as levels of voter satisfaction with both.

    There is a case for a carefully selected number of properly focussed targets. Done well, these can provide stars for government departments to steer by, and prompts to energise ministers and their officials. The case against them, especially if they are poorly chosen or if there are too many of them, is that targets become not a spur to performance but a distraction, which distorts activity in a damaging way.

    Thursday’s big event is not just aimed at the public. It is also designed to be an electric jolt to Whitehall to get with the programme. The external story will try to convey to voters what Labour hopes to achieve over the course of this parliament. The internal one, in the words of one cabinet member, is about injecting a lot more urgency into the civil service by “galvanising Whitehall and getting it to focus on the government’s priorities”.

    The prime minister will be pinning his reputation to delivery this week. Another way of putting it is to say that he is acknowledging the reality of presidential modern politics. Voters hold the man (or woman) at the top responsible for the performance of the government as a whole. Since that can’t be ducked, it might as well be embraced, risks and all. Because if he can’t produce the change he’s promising, Sir Keir’s “delivery milestones” will be hung around his neck.

    This relaunch sounds like the Edstone several months too late. Next will be Tony Blair's delivery unit or whatever it was called.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144
    Breaking: sunrise. Are we going to see much more of the sun, today?


  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,120
    edited December 1

    Taz said:

    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61

    I am surprised he didn't say they only come from fat ugly slappers who don't get any....that seems to be in keeping with his patter.

    The question is, yet again, everybody seemed to know what he was like, while nobody seemed to do anything about it. All in plain sight, but can't upset the talent....Wuselly Brand, Huw Edwards, etc.
    What is the inverse of a chicken and egg problem? I've not read every account but there is a pattern of behaviour going back a decade or more. It is that duration and repetition that make this scandalous. No single incident amounts to a crime. There is no rape or indecent assault. Nothing that could not have been nipped in the bud by a stern warning from HR or the producers, if only people had responded at the time rather than waiting till now. It's not like Savile or Al-Fayed, or even like Schofield or Edwards.
    Men in strong positions in the hierarchy equals sexual abuse of women and men.

    The problem is both men and hierarchical structures. The pattern is universal: media, politics, business, medicine, law.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,409

    Taz said:

    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61

    I am surprised he didn't say they only come from fat ugly slappers who don't get any....that seems to be in keeping with his patter.

    The question is, yet again, everybody seemed to know what he was like, while nobody seemed to do anything about it. All in plain sight, but can't upset the talent....Wuselly Brand, Huw Edwards, etc.
    What is the inverse of a chicken and egg problem? I've not read every account but there is a pattern of behaviour going back a decade or more. It is that duration and repetition that make this scandalous. No single incident amounts to a crime. There is no rape or indecent assault. Nothing that could not have been nipped in the bud by a stern warning from HR or the producers, if only people had responded at the time rather than waiting till now. It's not like Savile or Al-Fayed, or even like Schofield or Edwards.
    This is my general rule about incidents were something inappropriate has been said. Is it a one off or is there a pattern of behaviour. The sheer volume and extended period seems like he is banged to rights, rather than one singular off colour remark.

    As for nothing criminal, there are reported incidents that are a bit dicey around women saying that they were groped by him.
    When something offended me at work, I resigned. Whatever happened here, none of the victims felt strongly enough to walk out. So it is a shame the producers allowed it to go on for years instead of taking him to one side for a chat without biscuits that might have nipped this in the bud.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,991

    Taz said:

    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61

    I am surprised he didn't say they only come from fat ugly slappers who don't get any....that seems to be in keeping with his patter.

    The question is, yet again, everybody seemed to know what he was like, while nobody seemed to do anything about it. All in plain sight, but can't upset the talent....Wuselly Brand, Huw Edwards, etc.
    Aasmah Mir tells a story about how she did complain and he was just told to say sorry.

    https://x.com/aasmahmir/status/1862941319477555411?s=61

    There were complaints. Looks like nothing was done.

    John Torode got into trouble in the past for saying they had never been friends. They never go to each other’s home and barely keep in contact out of filming.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,409
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61

    I am surprised he didn't say they only come from fat ugly slappers who don't get any....that seems to be in keeping with his patter.

    The question is, yet again, everybody seemed to know what he was like, while nobody seemed to do anything about it. All in plain sight, but can't upset the talent....Wuselly Brand, Huw Edwards, etc.
    What is the inverse of a chicken and egg problem? I've not read every account but there is a pattern of behaviour going back a decade or more. It is that duration and repetition that make this scandalous. No single incident amounts to a crime. There is no rape or indecent assault. Nothing that could not have been nipped in the bud by a stern warning from HR or the producers, if only people had responded at the time rather than waiting till now. It's not like Savile or Al-Fayed, or even like Schofield or Edwards.
    Men in strong positions in the hierarchy equals sexual abuse of women and men.

    The problem is both men and hierarchical structures. The pattern is universal: media, politics, business, medicine, law.
    Does that apply here? Do off-colour jokes amount to sexual abuse? Wallace might have had power over junior production staff but surely not over celebrities more famous than him. It's not what he did but that he did it repeatedly over years if not decades that is the problem.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,830
    Off thread.
    The camerawork on ITV for the Darts was dreadful
    The highlights of the cricket on You tube missed the ending and added previous footage. Dreadful
    At least Sky know how to do it properly.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,409
    edited December 1
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61

    I am surprised he didn't say they only come from fat ugly slappers who don't get any....that seems to be in keeping with his patter.

    The question is, yet again, everybody seemed to know what he was like, while nobody seemed to do anything about it. All in plain sight, but can't upset the talent....Wuselly Brand, Huw Edwards, etc.
    Aasmah Mir tells a story about how she did complain and he was just told to say sorry.

    https://x.com/aasmahmir/status/1862941319477555411?s=61

    There were complaints. Looks like nothing was done.

    John Torode got into trouble in the past for saying they had never been friends. They never go to each other’s home and barely keep in contact out of filming.
    ETA: I'm not sure Aasmah Mir is saying she herself complained but that someone did.

    Torode was best man at his wedding, n'est-ce pas? But so what, I've never been to workmates' homes. It just comes down to what you mean by friends.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,120

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61

    I am surprised he didn't say they only come from fat ugly slappers who don't get any....that seems to be in keeping with his patter.

    The question is, yet again, everybody seemed to know what he was like, while nobody seemed to do anything about it. All in plain sight, but can't upset the talent....Wuselly Brand, Huw Edwards, etc.
    What is the inverse of a chicken and egg problem? I've not read every account but there is a pattern of behaviour going back a decade or more. It is that duration and repetition that make this scandalous. No single incident amounts to a crime. There is no rape or indecent assault. Nothing that could not have been nipped in the bud by a stern warning from HR or the producers, if only people had responded at the time rather than waiting till now. It's not like Savile or Al-Fayed, or even like Schofield or Edwards.
    Men in strong positions in the hierarchy equals sexual abuse of women and men.

    The problem is both men and hierarchical structures. The pattern is universal: media, politics, business, medicine, law.
    Does that apply here? Do off-colour jokes amount to sexual abuse? Wallace might have had power over junior production staff but surely not over celebrities more famous than him. It's not what he did but that he did it repeatedly over years if not decades that is the problem.
    This is a very male space, and we can only speculate why so few women post, even though there are millions of women interested in politics.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,991

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61

    I am surprised he didn't say they only come from fat ugly slappers who don't get any....that seems to be in keeping with his patter.

    The question is, yet again, everybody seemed to know what he was like, while nobody seemed to do anything about it. All in plain sight, but can't upset the talent....Wuselly Brand, Huw Edwards, etc.
    What is the inverse of a chicken and egg problem? I've not read every account but there is a pattern of behaviour going back a decade or more. It is that duration and repetition that make this scandalous. No single incident amounts to a crime. There is no rape or indecent assault. Nothing that could not have been nipped in the bud by a stern warning from HR or the producers, if only people had responded at the time rather than waiting till now. It's not like Savile or Al-Fayed, or even like Schofield or Edwards.
    Men in strong positions in the hierarchy equals sexual abuse of women and men.

    The problem is both men and hierarchical structures. The pattern is universal: media, politics, business, medicine, law.
    Does that apply here? Do off-colour jokes amount to sexual abuse? Wallace might have had power over junior production staff but surely not over celebrities more famous than him. It's not what he did but that he did it repeatedly over years if not decades that is the problem.
    There had been complaints and he had already made apologies.

    When it continued something further should have been done.

    He’s been inappropriate in a workplace setting not criminal. Popbitch has had a few stories about him over the years.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,409
    IanB2 said:

    Breaking: sunrise. Are we going to see much more of the sun, today?


    Come back at 4 and we'll let you know.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,991

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61

    I am surprised he didn't say they only come from fat ugly slappers who don't get any....that seems to be in keeping with his patter.

    The question is, yet again, everybody seemed to know what he was like, while nobody seemed to do anything about it. All in plain sight, but can't upset the talent....Wuselly Brand, Huw Edwards, etc.
    Aasmah Mir tells a story about how she did complain and he was just told to say sorry.

    https://x.com/aasmahmir/status/1862941319477555411?s=61

    There were complaints. Looks like nothing was done.

    John Torode got into trouble in the past for saying they had never been friends. They never go to each other’s home and barely keep in contact out of filming.
    ETA: I'm not sure Aasmah Mir is saying she herself complained but that someone did.

    Torode was best man at his wedding, n'est-ce pas? But so what, I've never been to workmates' homes. It just comes down to what you mean by friends.
    She says in the first tweet in that thread ‘ And yes, I did complain.’
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,830
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Gregg Wallace. The accusations against him are from middle class women of a certain age.

    That’ll help his cause.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1863122312045772995?s=61

    I am surprised he didn't say they only come from fat ugly slappers who don't get any....that seems to be in keeping with his patter.

    The question is, yet again, everybody seemed to know what he was like, while nobody seemed to do anything about it. All in plain sight, but can't upset the talent....Wuselly Brand, Huw Edwards, etc.
    What is the inverse of a chicken and egg problem? I've not read every account but there is a pattern of behaviour going back a decade or more. It is that duration and repetition that make this scandalous. No single incident amounts to a crime. There is no rape or indecent assault. Nothing that could not have been nipped in the bud by a stern warning from HR or the producers, if only people had responded at the time rather than waiting till now. It's not like Savile or Al-Fayed, or even like Schofield or Edwards.
    Men in strong positions in the hierarchy equals sexual abuse of women and men.

    The problem is both men and hierarchical structures. The pattern is universal: media, politics, business, medicine, law.
    Does that apply here? Do off-colour jokes amount to sexual abuse? Wallace might have had power over junior production staff but surely not over celebrities more famous than him. It's not what he did but that he did it repeatedly over years if not decades that is the problem.
    This is a very male space, and we can only speculate why so few women post, even though there are millions of women interested in politics.
    I very much doubt that assertion. In my experience most women glaze over at the mere mention of politics.
  • Morning PB'ers

    Elon Musk is about to hand Nigel Farage 100 million as a "fuck you Starmer" payment to "make him Prime Minister", according to the Mail.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    I remain unconvinced that the Wallace nonsense is a bigger story than Aleppo. BBC story priority can be bloody weird sometimes.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,993
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Hot off the press this grey morning, and probably about to meet the curse of the new thread, the Sunday Rawnsley:

    It is a truth now pretty much universally acknowledged within the government that it has got off to a much stickier start than it expected. In too many areas, it has hit the ground not running, but stumbling. So one purpose of this week’s prime ministerial event that you mustn’t call a relaunch is to demonstrate that he has a firm focus and tight grip on the domestic agenda.

    The “Plan for Change” will add detail to what Labour hopes to have achieved by the time of the next election and it will unveil new goals linked to the “five missions”. This is an acknowledgement that its future fortunes are inextricably linked to whether it can improve living standards and public services, as well as levels of voter satisfaction with both.

    There is a case for a carefully selected number of properly focussed targets. Done well, these can provide stars for government departments to steer by, and prompts to energise ministers and their officials. The case against them, especially if they are poorly chosen or if there are too many of them, is that targets become not a spur to performance but a distraction, which distorts activity in a damaging way.

    Thursday’s big event is not just aimed at the public. It is also designed to be an electric jolt to Whitehall to get with the programme. The external story will try to convey to voters what Labour hopes to achieve over the course of this parliament. The internal one, in the words of one cabinet member, is about injecting a lot more urgency into the civil service by “galvanising Whitehall and getting it to focus on the government’s priorities”.

    The prime minister will be pinning his reputation to delivery this week. Another way of putting it is to say that he is acknowledging the reality of presidential modern politics. Voters hold the man (or woman) at the top responsible for the performance of the government as a whole. Since that can’t be ducked, it might as well be embraced, risks and all. Because if he can’t produce the change he’s promising, Sir Keir’s “delivery milestones” will be hung around his neck.

    This relaunch sounds like the Edstone several months too late. Next will be Tony Blair's delivery unit or whatever it was called.
    It's fundamentally flawed because it focuses on delivery, but nothing has yet been delivered. Delivery is a slow burner, but something to be boasted about when it has actually occurred. The old adage is being ignored: under-promise and over-deliver.

    What is needed is vision, and a sense of values. The messaging is all over the place. Are tax dodging land owners the enemy? Are Blackrock our friends? Why is nationalisation good for rail but privatisation good for the NHS? Are public sector workers neglected heroes or part of "the Blob", acting as wreckers?

    The policy agenda is all over the place with no cohesive theme. That's why it isn't working.
    It’s going to be a relaunch based on the process of “delivery”, because Starmer is fundamentally a “process” person rather than an “outcomes” person.
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