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  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Jeepers, this is the second time in an hour I've been moved to support you.

    If it was quiet and the chances of anyone needing the bay were next door to zero why not use your common sense and occupy the disabled bay? Bad luck there was an officious twat around without any common sense, mais c'sest la vie.

    I need a lie down.
    It sounds like a cock and ball story.
    Tell you what, I'll try and get you a streetview. It happened in Oppede Le Vieux in the Luberon

    I might even fly out there tomorrow and take some photos to show you the entire set up, with a letter from the maire and les gendarmes confirming that this is a very narrow uphill one way road (which are not unknown in the Luberon) often hedged in by limestone walls (which makes them beautiful, but a bugger to negotiate if there are any issues)

    This may well be the stupidest argument in the history of PB, a classic of its kind. I hope it rumbles on for years
  • biggles said:

    Seat projections based on the tallies.

    FF 46
    SF 40
    FG 39
    SDP 9
    Lab 8
    PBP-S 5

    88 for a majority, so any government requires two of the big three parties, and it would be pretty hard for FF or FG to do a deal with SF given what all three parties said about each other during the campaign. So who do FF+FG do a deal with?

    The talk is that they'll go to Independents, but this might be a negotiating tactic to lower the price paid for support from Labour or the Social Democrats. No fourth party on above 10 seats, so the small parties don't offer much more in the way of reliable support than the Independents, compared to the 12 seats that the Green party delivered to the last coalition.

    Perhaps Labour and the Social Democrats will do a deal between themselves to negotiate together to form a coalition with FF+FG? This might drive FF/FG to form a deal with Independents to avoid encouraging that sort of behaviour from the smaller left-wing parties. I think that's the most likely outcome.

    Much though I understand why they think they have to do it, keeping SF excluded is only going to end one way in the end isn’t it?
    If SF are good enough to govern in the North of Ireland, why not the Republic?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,932
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,932
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Jeepers, this is the second time in an hour I've been moved to support you.

    If it was quiet and the chances of anyone needing the bay were next door to zero why not use your common sense and occupy the disabled bay? Bad luck there was an officious twat around without any common sense, mais c'sest la vie.

    I need a lie down.
    It sounds like a cock and ball story.
    Tell you what, I'll try and get you a streetview. It happened in Oppede Le Vieux in the Luberon

    I might even fly out there tomorrow and take some photos to show you the entire set up, with a letter from the maire and les gendarmes confirming that this is a very narrow uphill one way road (which are not unknown in the Luberon) often hedged in by limestone walls (which makes them beautiful, but a bugger to negotiate if there are any issues)

    This may well be the stupidest argument in the history of PB, a classic of its kind. I hope it rumbles on for years
    😁.
  • Question: did the huge shortage of men in post WW2 Germany (6 million were killed) impact its demographics and recovery, and are the effects of that still being felt today?

    Germany got vast quantities of American gold to rebuild the left-hand side of the country, together with a good supply of what Keynes described as shovel-ready projects (on account of the allies having flattened the place). There were no European competitors for most of its industry, also on account of the war, and the prototype EU meant large markets.

    A more recent hit to the German economy was absorbing the poorer East Germany.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay


  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,835
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Jeepers, this is the second time in an hour I've been moved to support you.

    If it was quiet and the chances of anyone needing the bay were next door to zero why not use your common sense and occupy the disabled bay? Bad luck there was an officious twat around without any common sense, mais c'sest la vie.

    I need a lie down.
    It sounds like a cock and ball story.
    "Bull". Don't want to know about your cock and balls.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,879
    STOP PRESS !!!

    Cate Blanchett is concerned about the impact of AI on 'ordinary people'.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clygy87nleqo

    I think Gwyneth Paltrow needs to be more worried, because AIs are less likely to be Goops than her existing customers.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    Large 7.7pp vote share drop for SF in Meath West, though they still top the poll.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay

    But you're not disabled.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    edited November 30
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay

    But you're not disabled.
    If I bang my head against my desk any harder I might induce some kind of disabling cognitive deficit

    I'm off to the shops
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,932
    edited November 30
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay


    Lol. Go on give us a picture of the actual road and parking bay rather than something that doesn't fit your description whatsoever. Can't be difficult to find on street view in the village can it. I think you are making it up and if nothing else this is great fun.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942
    edited November 30
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay


    According to their website, driving is not permitted and you're supposed to park outside it and walk in (except for disabled people, I suppose). Hence the lack of google streetview.

    That's probably where you went wrong.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,932
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay


    According to their website, driving is not permitted and you're supposed to park outside it and walk in (except for disabled people, I suppose). Hence the lack of google streetview.

    That's probably where you went wrong.
    Hahahahahaha.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,857
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:


    ‪John Rentoul‬ ‪@rentouljohn.bsky.social‬
    ·
    1h
    Blairites are in despair over Keir Starmer’s flailing leadership. My weekend article for The Independent, free to read www.independent.co.uk/voices/starm...

    https://bsky.app/profile/rentouljohn.bsky.social/post/3lc6blvqufk2l

    Summary: Everyone knows that Starmer and Reeves are wrong but no-one can say what they would do instead.
    The critique is sharper than that. This is astute:

    "Above all, what some Blairites fear is that Starmer lacks the ability to communicate a sense of hope – that the work of his government will be organised around delivering just two or three believable improvements in people’s lives. Instead, as Ian Leslie, the cultural commentator, observes about the election: “What have been the three biggest political debates since then, all initiated by the government? Means-testing of the winter fuel allowance for pensioners, inheritance tax for farmers, and assisted dying. Ageing, death, death.”"

    This government is just so DEPRESSING. All they do is moan and bleat and whine about even more pain ahead. And Starmer and Reeves do it in their reedy pathetic voices, while lecturing you about your smoking and drinking, or maybe criticising you for laughing too much

    Yeah, there may be pain ahead, but there are still ways of evincing optimism. This is what Rayner manages to convey, almost uniquely in the government. She looks like she enjoys life, she doesn't mind you having an extra sherry she's got an optimistic disposition, and the UK desperately needs that
    Fair point. And the point is true. Labour's greatest weakness is is the 'hope, where are we going, how are we going to get there' department. The media and opposition (including friendly media like the New Statesman) are full of problem description and 'no idea, don't know' stuff - see Andrew Marr for example - rather than alternative and solution based analyses. It's getting a bit boring.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,879
    edited November 30
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay

    Nice to see traffic calming on it :wink:

    We need to send @Leon up on a mountain bike (or down on a skateboard) Bamford Clough in the Peak District.
  • Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.

    Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.

    Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.


    https://news.sky.com/story/louise-haighs-photo-of-stolen-phone-taken-after-alleged-theft-13263796
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    edited November 30
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay


    According to their website, driving is not permitted and you're supposed to park outside it and walk in (except for disabled people, I suppose). Hence the lack of google streetview.

    That's probably where you went wrong.
    Except that you are allowed to drive in, if you have a resident's permit, which I did, as I was borrowing my friend's house and he'd secured a temporary permit for me

  • TheGreenMachineTheGreenMachine Posts: 1,097
    edited November 30
    Irish election update

    Jennifer MacNeill [FG] is the first person elected to the Dáil.

    Jenny surpassed the quota by 500 votes within the Dún Laoghaire constituency.

    Gerry "The Monk" is performing well in Dublin Central
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    kjh said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay


    According to their website, driving is not permitted and you're supposed to park outside it and walk in (except for disabled people, I suppose). Hence the lack of google streetview.

    That's probably where you went wrong.
    Hahahahahaha.
    I had a parking permit as a temporary resident, expressly allowing me to enter Oppede Le Vieux and park there
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942
    edited November 30
    kjh said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay


    According to their website, driving is not permitted and you're supposed to park outside it and walk in (except for disabled people, I suppose). Hence the lack of google streetview.

    That's probably where you went wrong.
    Hahahahahaha.
    Yes, there is an an enormous car park Parking Sainte-Cécile so you can enjoy the pedestrianised village in peace and quiet.

    Looks beautiful, thanks for the tip Leon!
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,471
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay

    But you're not disabled.
    If I bang my head against my desk any harder I might induce some kind of disabling cognitive deficit

    I'm off to the shops
    Careful where you park.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268

    Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.

    Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.

    Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.


    https://news.sky.com/story/louise-haighs-photo-of-stolen-phone-taken-after-alleged-theft-13263796

    People defending her were being very gullible.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Eabhal said:

    kjh said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay


    According to their website, driving is not permitted and you're supposed to park outside it and walk in (except for disabled people, I suppose). Hence the lack of google streetview.

    That's probably where you went wrong.
    Hahahahahaha.
    Yes, there is an an enormous car park Parking Sainte-Cécile so you can enjoy the pedestrianised village in peace and quiet.

    Looks beautiful, thanks for the tip Leon!
    It's magnificent. And partly because it is so hard to access - !! - it is surprisingly untouristed. Just don't visit when the tree surgeons are having a break for drinks
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,932
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay


    According to their website, driving is not permitted and you're supposed to park outside it and walk in (except for disabled people, I suppose). Hence the lack of google streetview.

    That's probably where you went wrong.
    Hahahahahaha.
    I had a parking permit as a temporary resident, expressly allowing me to enter Oppede Le Vieux and park there
    So where is the parking bay and where is the tree (or where a tree could have been?) Certainly not on that road (even if that is a road). Go on get a picture from street view. Quicker than wasting your time arguing with me. Best wind up I have had in ages.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    First count from Dun Laoghaire - 1 FG TD elected, FG vote up, PBP vote down, though probably still has enough to be elected. Green vote heavily down, Social Democrats up.

    Seat change might be that a second FG TD is elected to replace the Green TD.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay


    According to their website, driving is not permitted and you're supposed to park outside it and walk in (except for disabled people, I suppose). Hence the lack of google streetview.

    That's probably where you went wrong.
    Hahahahahaha.
    I had a parking permit as a temporary resident, expressly allowing me to enter Oppede Le Vieux and park there
    So where is the parking bay and where is the tree (or where a tree could have been?) Certainly not on that road (even if that is a road). Go on get a picture from street view. Quicker than wasting your time arguing with me. Best wind up I have had in ages.
    Nowhere for the birds on the trees.

    They'll have to be on the road and pretend to be animals...

    *whistles softly and puts hands in pockets*
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    Rebels have now entered the northern outskirts of Hama. Will the Syrian army fight to defend Homs?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    Rebels have now entered the northern outskirts of Hama. Will the Syrian army fight to defend Homs?

    Can there be anything of Syria left to fight over?!

    It is so sad. Aleppo, before the war, was one of the great antique cities of the Levant. A perfectly preserved medieval souk, amongst much else
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    Leon said:

    Rebels have now entered the northern outskirts of Hama. Will the Syrian army fight to defend Homs?

    Can there be anything of Syria left to fight over?!

    It is so sad. Aleppo, before the war, was one of the great antique cities of the Levant. A perfectly preserved medieval souk, amongst much else
    There is a Mediterranean port for the Russians, and ground supply routes from Iran to Lebanon.

    But, yes, the civil war has continued for more than 13 years now. Immense destruction.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934

    Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.

    Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.

    Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.


    https://news.sky.com/story/louise-haighs-photo-of-stolen-phone-taken-after-alleged-theft-13263796

    Chris Davies lost his Brecon and Radnorshire seat for his false expenses claim for £750.

    Louise Haigh fortunate there is no basis for a recall petition.

    Yet.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    An estimate of 50 seats for FF and 38 seats for FG - a bare majority for the two parties together, but is the difference large enough for FF to insist that they keep the taoiseach instead of rotating?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    Leon said:

    Rebels have now entered the northern outskirts of Hama. Will the Syrian army fight to defend Homs?

    Can there be anything of Syria left to fight over?!

    It is so sad. Aleppo, before the war, was one of the great antique cities of the Levant. A perfectly preserved medieval souk, amongst much else
    There is a Mediterranean port for the Russians, and ground supply routes from Iran to Lebanon.

    But, yes, the civil war has continued for more than 13 years now. Immense destruction.
    I still feel a genuine heartache over Palmyra. Those ISIS c*nts

    It was one of the most spellbinding monuments of antiquity. This jewel of a city in the middle of the desert. You used to be able to stay in a hotel inside the ruinations, so at night you would walk out into the temples and shrines and arcades, under the desert stars

    Ach, so sad
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,932

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay

    But you're not disabled.
    If I bang my head against my desk any harder I might induce some kind of disabling cognitive deficit

    I'm off to the shops
    Careful where you park.
    That made me laugh out loud. Best post so far from an excellent list. Liked the road calming one also. Normally takes a lot more than that to wind you up @Leon . Come on @leon take it on the chin; that was fun. I have a group of friends here in hysterics.
  • An estimate of 50 seats for FF and 38 seats for FG - a bare majority for the two parties together, but is the difference large enough for FF to insist that they keep the taoiseach instead of rotating?

    Simon Harris from FG is the current Taoiseach so they will be rotating.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,213

    Rebels have now entered the northern outskirts of Hama. Will the Syrian army fight to defend Homs?

    Seems the rebel advance has now ground to a halt just outside the city walls and they’re facing concerted resistance for the first time

    Some tree surgeons have blocked the road into Homs so they’ve had to park up in a local disabled bay.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    TimS said:

    Rebels have now entered the northern outskirts of Hama. Will the Syrian army fight to defend Homs?

    Seems the rebel advance has now ground to a halt just outside the city walls and they’re facing concerted resistance for the first time

    Some tree surgeons have blocked the road into Homs so they’ve had to park up in a local disabled bay.
    Arf!
  • Irish election update

    Patrick O'Donovan [FG] has been elected from Limerick County after the first count. He defeated the quota by 200 votes.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    edited November 30
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay

    But you're not disabled.
    If I bang my head against my desk any harder I might induce some kind of disabling cognitive deficit

    I'm off to the shops
    Careful where you park.
    That made me laugh out loud. Best post so far from an excellent list. Liked the road calming one also. Normally takes a lot more than that to wind you up @Leon . Come on @leon take it on the chin; that was fun. I have a group of friends here in hysterics.
    Er, I'm not taking it seriously, nor am I wound up; I was mildly enjoying a ridiculously trivial argument. PB is good for those

    Tho I do hope you are lying about the friends gathered around the laptop "in hysterics", because that would be downright weird, and tinged with the tragedy of bathos
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    TimS said:

    Rebels have now entered the northern outskirts of Hama. Will the Syrian army fight to defend Homs?

    Seems the rebel advance has now ground to a halt just outside the city walls and they’re facing concerted resistance for the first time

    Some tree surgeons have blocked the road into Homs so they’ve had to park up in a local disabled bay.
    I hear the local traffic wardens are very nasty. That wood cause them problems.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    edited November 30

    Irish election update

    Patrick O'Donovan [FG] has been elected from Limerick County after the first count. He defeated the quota by 200 votes.

    Any surprises for you yet? As our resident Oracle...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,984
    Late afternoon all :)

    Another day when I'm glad I'm not a professional punter - time to give backing horses a break for a while.

    Elsewhere, the Irish election is going to be a nail-biter or a cliffhanger depending on whether you bite your nails or hang off cliffs. Tentaive thought is FF and FG will be close enough to the 88 seat number to form a Government with perhaps Social Democrat support (?). Long way to go.

    Syria - calling it a "mess" is understatement par excellence but for all taking Aleppo and even Homs would be an achievement for the "opposition", the two real prizes would be Damascus to the south and Tartus to the west. When all this happened before, I thought the opposition needed to do a deal with the Russians to ensure the latter would remain with access to Tartus and to not do so only strengthened the alliance between Moscow and Assad.

    That was before Russian commitments elesewhere and it remains to be seen what they would do IF the opposition started to seriously threaten Damascus but that's a way off. Aleppo to Homs is about 120 miles, Homs to Damascus about another 100.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895

    An estimate of 50 seats for FF and 38 seats for FG - a bare majority for the two parties together, but is the difference large enough for FF to insist that they keep the taoiseach instead of rotating?

    Simon Harris from FG is the current Taoiseach so they will be rotating.
    If FF are far enough ahead of FG they may insist that Martin is Taoiseach for the entirety of the next government. The change of Taoiseach at the beginning of the government in that situation wouldn't be like the rotating Taoiseach between Martin and Varadkar in the previous government.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    Independent Ireland will be very happy with the increased vote for their candidate in Limerick County, the incumbent Richard O'Donoghue, who put on more than 4k votes. They might do better than the exit poll suggested.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    Another day when I'm glad I'm not a professional punter - time to give backing horses a break for a while.

    Elsewhere, the Irish election is going to be a nail-biter or a cliffhanger depending on whether you bite your nails or hang off cliffs. Tentaive thought is FF and FG will be close enough to the 88 seat number to form a Government with perhaps Social Democrat support (?). Long way to go.

    Syria - calling it a "mess" is understatement par excellence but for all taking Aleppo and even Homs would be an achievement for the "opposition", the two real prizes would be Damascus to the south and Tartus to the west. When all this happened before, I thought the opposition needed to do a deal with the Russians to ensure the latter would remain with access to Tartus and to not do so only strengthened the alliance between Moscow and Assad.

    That was before Russian commitments elesewhere and it remains to be seen what they would do IF the opposition started to seriously threaten Damascus but that's a way off. Aleppo to Homs is about 120 miles, Homs to Damascus about another 100.

    Reuters is reporting that the Russians have promised to send additional assistance to Syria within 72 hours, according to sources from within the Syrian military. Maybe they'll send the North Koreans?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,515
    Sounds like a possible coup in Syria?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Wow. Is Assad falling?

    Charles Lister
    @Charles_Lister
    ·
    1m
    The situation in #Syria is developing rapidly.

    Widespread reports (& footage) of clashes in central #Damascus, including outside the Four Seasons, amid claims of a coup.

    Former armed opposition factions in the south are engaging regime forces in clashes too.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/1862914787702698485

    Rebels have reportedly captured 5 military aircraft from Russia at the Kuweires base which are all operational.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,932
    edited November 30
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay

    But you're not disabled.
    If I bang my head against my desk any harder I might induce some kind of disabling cognitive deficit

    I'm off to the shops
    Careful where you park.
    That made me laugh out loud. Best post so far from an excellent list. Liked the road calming one also. Normally takes a lot more than that to wind you up @Leon . Come on @leon take it on the chin; that was fun. I have a group of friends here in hysterics.
    Er, I'm not taking it seriously, nor am I wound up; I was mildly enjoying a ridiculously trivial argument. PB is good for those

    Tho I do hope you are lying about the friends gathered around the laptop "in hysterics", because that would be downright weird, and tinged with the tragedy of bathos
    It was good fun. Sadly I'm not lying. On my phone. Not sure why you think it weird. There are 4 of us here taking part in the discussion and my wife has really been enjoying it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay

    But you're not disabled.
    If I bang my head against my desk any harder I might induce some kind of disabling cognitive deficit

    I'm off to the shops
    Careful where you park.
    That made me laugh out loud. Best post so far from an excellent list. Liked the road calming one also. Normally takes a lot more than that to wind you up @Leon . Come on @leon take it on the chin; that was fun. I have a group of friends here in hysterics.
    Er, I'm not taking it seriously, nor am I wound up; I was mildly enjoying a ridiculously trivial argument. PB is good for those

    Tho I do hope you are lying about the friends gathered around the laptop "in hysterics", because that would be downright weird, and tinged with the tragedy of bathos
    It was good fun. Sadly I'm not lying. Not sure why you think it weird. There are 4 of us here taking part in the discussion and my wife has really been enjoying it.
    Just an odd mental picture.... but if you're happy I'm happy. I'm glad to offer entertainment!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,143

    Sounds like a possible coup in Syria?

    Did they have Gabriel first scorer?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    I reckon Assad is finished? Huge blow to Putin if so

    This feels like rapid regime collapse
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,515
    Leon said:

    I reckon Assad is finished? Huge blow to Putin if so

    This feels like rapid regime collapse

    Assad is still in Moscow apparently
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    "Appears to be a coup attempt. Reports that state TV is off the air"

    https://x.com/GordoCDA/status/1862918123705213114

    There are other reports that the coup is led by Assad's brother, which makes it even more confusing…
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    edited November 30

    Leon said:

    I reckon Assad is finished? Huge blow to Putin if so

    This feels like rapid regime collapse

    Assad is still in Moscow apparently
    TwiX claims he's just landed in Damascus. But who the F knows. If the fog of war is thick, the fog of civil war is thicker
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,984
    edited November 30
    Leon said:

    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084

    Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.

    May be something - may be nothing.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,500

    An estimate of 50 seats for FF and 38 seats for FG - a bare majority for the two parties together, but is the difference large enough for FF to insist that they keep the taoiseach instead of rotating?

    A 12 seat difference is right on the cusp, I'd say. But given the relative momentum I'd expect a FF Taoiseach, FG Tánaiste for the whole term.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084

    Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.

    May be something - may be nothing.
    It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country

    But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
  • Shecorns88Shecorns88 Posts: 279

    Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.

    Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.

    Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.


    https://news.sky.com/story/louise-haighs-photo-of-stolen-phone-taken-after-alleged-theft-13263796

    People defending her were being very gullible.
    Even Sky admit they cannot corroborate claims.

    Read the full article.

    Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.

    They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    First count in Laois. Bit embarrassing for SF. Brian Stanley, dropped by SF and running as an independent after he resigned form SF following a complaint that was referred to the gardai, has now received more first preference votes than the SF candidate.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    Syrian rebels have released a photo of the commander leading the offensive:

    https://x.com/gorillaosint/status/1862607431978684555
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    Leon said:

    I reckon Assad is finished? Huge blow to Putin if so

    This feels like rapid regime collapse

    Hope so. He's a monster. Far too many bad actors have been prospering recently.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,515
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    I reckon Assad is finished? Huge blow to Putin if so

    This feels like rapid regime collapse

    Hope so. He's a monster. Far too many bad actors have been prospering recently.
    A lot of the rebels seem to be islamist so sunshine and rainbows all round
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,676

    An estimate of 50 seats for FF and 38 seats for FG - a bare majority for the two parties together, but is the difference large enough for FF to insist that they keep the taoiseach instead of rotating?

    The betting says yes. Michael Martin is the favourite by far. That's where my money is.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,932
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay

    But you're not disabled.
    If I bang my head against my desk any harder I might induce some kind of disabling cognitive deficit

    I'm off to the shops
    Careful where you park.
    That made me laugh out loud. Best post so far from an excellent list. Liked the road calming one also. Normally takes a lot more than that to wind you up @Leon . Come on @leon take it on the chin; that was fun. I have a group of friends here in hysterics.
    Er, I'm not taking it seriously, nor am I wound up; I was mildly enjoying a ridiculously trivial argument. PB is good for those

    Tho I do hope you are lying about the friends gathered around the laptop "in hysterics", because that would be downright weird, and tinged with the tragedy of bathos
    It was good fun. Sadly I'm not lying. Not sure why you think it weird. There are 4 of us here taking part in the discussion and my wife has really been enjoying it.
    Just an odd mental picture.... but if you're happy I'm happy. I'm glad to offer entertainment!
    Yep it was good, thanks. Off to dinner now. For a recommendation I ate at 22 in Cambridge yesterday. Absolutely fabulous meal. Recommend to anyone who appreciates good food. As yo know I am not a fan of fish, but take this as an opportunity to try it. 3 of the course were fish and I thoroughly enjoyed all 3. Had 7 different wines with the meal also which was great even though I know little about them.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112

    Question: did the huge shortage of men in post WW2 Germany (6 million were killed) impact its demographics and recovery, and are the effects of that still being felt today?

    Probably 4 million dead, but there were vast numbers in Soviet POW camps until the mid 1950s too.

    On the other hand quite a young demographic and several million Volks-Deutch expelled from Poland, Czechoslovakia etc, and also a well educated and technically skilled population.

    Until 1948 things were extremely hard, but the currency reform of 1948 creating the Deutschmark, and the abolition of price controls under Adenauer spurred off a period of rapid economic growth.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    I reckon Assad is finished? Huge blow to Putin if so

    This feels like rapid regime collapse

    Hope so. He's a monster. Far too many bad actors have been prospering recently.
    But as @Gallowgate correctly notes, this looks like an Islamist takeover, so maybe this is like the Taliban in Afghanistan

    Assad is an evil bastard, but this is potentially bad news
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268

    Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.

    Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.

    Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.


    https://news.sky.com/story/louise-haighs-photo-of-stolen-phone-taken-after-alleged-theft-13263796

    People defending her were being very gullible.
    Even Sky admit they cannot corroborate claims.

    Read the full article.

    Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.

    They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
    The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    I reckon Assad is finished? Huge blow to Putin if so

    This feels like rapid regime collapse

    Hope so. He's a monster. Far too many bad actors have been prospering recently.
    A lot of the rebels seem to be islamist so sunshine and rainbows all round
    Yep it's unlikely to be a coming of the light. Nevertheless Assad deserves a sticky end. I hope he gets one.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    ydoethur said:

    TimS said:

    Rebels have now entered the northern outskirts of Hama. Will the Syrian army fight to defend Homs?

    Seems the rebel advance has now ground to a halt just outside the city walls and they’re facing concerted resistance for the first time

    Some tree surgeons have blocked the road into Homs so they’ve had to park up in a local disabled bay.
    I hear the local traffic wardens are very nasty. That wood cause them problems.
    I bough down before your wit.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,807
    Foxy said:

    To answer Moonrabbit's question, we cannot really know what a victorious Sunak Government would have done. What a good Conservative government would do would be to cut Government spending, particularly in terms of CS personnel - back to 2014 levels initially. There was no shortage of Government in 2014. Then move the economy forward with targeted tax cuts on business and innovation, planning reform, Labour market reform. And get cheap, secure domestically sourced energy as the overriding priority. Cheapest energy in Europe as an initial goal.

    No one can address the ballooning welfare budget while the triple lock still exists.

    It's hard to tackle the numbers off sick with mental health issues without investment in that Cinderella of the NHS, mental health services. Often what the anxious and depressed need is a purpose in life, and getting back to work is a step towards that. Work gives a reason to get out of bed, social contact and income. Getting people back into work is a key part of therapy, but should be carrot more than stick.

    No wonder we have a 2 year wait for CAMHS assessment when a quarter of Child and Adolescent Psychiatrist posts in the country are vacant and unfillable.
    I have sympathy with some of your arguments, but you must acknowledge that in other countries they have none of the things you mention and their economies are outpacing ours by miles.

    SKS made it clear in the run up to the election that the country needed to return to economic growth in order to spend money on services. He has now reversed that, and declares that we must splurge on services to see growth. That's nonsense and precisely no country has ever seen that trajectory. He has now dropped his target of seeing the strongest growth in the G7. He's an economy destroyer.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,676
    edited November 30
    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084

    Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.

    May be something - may be nothing.
    Fighting allegedly within the Syrian army.



    https://x.com/RealCanadianLib/status/1862920397064220961
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084

    Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.

    May be something - may be nothing.
    It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country

    But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
    Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,984
    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084

    Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.

    May be something - may be nothing.
    It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country

    But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
    There are more questions than answers as someone once said.

    Could be the convulsions of a dying regime? Perhaps factional fighting between pro-Iranian and pro-Russian elements? Time will tell.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084

    Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.

    May be something - may be nothing.
    It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country

    But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
    Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
    An Islamist Syria will - I presume - be much more hostile to Israel? Tho in the maelstrom of MENA politix who can be sure...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084

    Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.

    May be something - may be nothing.
    It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country

    But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
    Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
    Bring back the Ottoman Empire?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330
    edited November 30

    Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.

    Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.

    Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.


    https://news.sky.com/story/louise-haighs-photo-of-stolen-phone-taken-after-alleged-theft-13263796

    People defending her were being very gullible.
    Even Sky admit they cannot corroborate claims.

    Read the full article.

    Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.

    They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
    The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
    Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084

    Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.

    May be something - may be nothing.
    It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country

    But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
    Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
    Bring back the Ottoman Empire?
    Wouldn't put it past Erdoğan's ambitions.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    TimS said:

    Rebels have now entered the northern outskirts of Hama. Will the Syrian army fight to defend Homs?

    Seems the rebel advance has now ground to a halt just outside the city walls and they’re facing concerted resistance for the first time

    Some tree surgeons have blocked the road into Homs so they’ve had to park up in a local disabled bay.
    I hear the local traffic wardens are very nasty. That wood cause them problems.
    I bough down before your wit.
    No splinter groups identified yet, it seems.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    edited November 30
    This sounds more concrete

    #BREAKING: Chief of the General Security Directorate of the Assad regime, Brigadier Hassam Louka is currently leading a coup detat against Assad in #Damascus, capital city of #Syria. He is leading a group of #Syrian Army soldiers who are trying to capture Assad family.

    https://x.com/BabakTaghvaee1/status/1862922015348310103

    Is it bad that I really enjoy a good coup on TwiX? You can watch it unfold in real time, like a top tier rugby international
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,434
    Nights like tonight remind of the Pet Shop Boys song, "The Dictator Decides"

    "Can someone please say the impossible?
    Crowds should be out on the street
    I’ve lost any will
    to threaten and kill
    I’ll be easy for you to defeat
    And at any resistance I meet
    I’ll beat a retreat

    I’d rather that you didn’t shoot me
    but I’d quite understand if you did
    Watch out for the army
    The generals’ll go barmy
    at the thought of a takeover bid"

    https://www.petshopboys.co.uk/lyrics/the-dictator-decides
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084

    Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.

    May be something - may be nothing.
    It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country

    But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
    There are more questions than answers as someone once said.

    Could be the convulsions of a dying regime? Perhaps factional fighting between pro-Iranian and pro-Russian elements? Time will tell.
    Meanwhile in good news for Zelensky at least and indeed for Assad Russia bombers have now had to be sent by Putin to Syria and have begun airstrikes on rebel positions in Aleppo

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy5l50y76k3t
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    Carnyx said:

    Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.

    Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.

    Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.


    https://news.sky.com/story/louise-haighs-photo-of-stolen-phone-taken-after-alleged-theft-13263796

    People defending her were being very gullible.
    Even Sky admit they cannot corroborate claims.

    Read the full article.

    Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.

    They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
    The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
    Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
    True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    l

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    This morning I received my first speeding fine in 20 years for doing 24 mph in a 20 mph zone in Kew at 10:20 on a Sunday morning. I'm normally careful. I just can't remember this event. I'll just pay up or agree to be re-educated.
    Getting a fine for doing 24mph in a 20mph zone seems absurd. Gouging

    Also one often HAS to speed, briefly, in a big city like London - to avoid accidents. A wobbly bicyclist, a dog running into the road, there are many times the best thing you can do is press the pedal and get past quickly
    I'm disagreeing on that one, having lived in Central / Outer London for nearly a decade.

    Speeding to get past is a bad option in general. it's a better option to wait until it is safe to proceed, or say overtake, then do so. AIUI it's a basic never to drive, especially speed, into a recognised hazard. Stopped vehicles cause no hazard whilst the situation resolves.

    In this day and age, there's a fair possibility that you could get an Operation SNAP report from a dash cammer or cycle cammer. If trend continues the Met will be receiving 100k+ reports in 2024/25, then 10-11k per month the next year.
    You'd have to be mad to introduce more kinetic energy and longer stopping distances to a situation involving a vulnerable road user. Silly behaviour that could land you in jail.
    What are you talking about. There are loads of occasions when speeding is the only option

    1. Being surrounded by a bunch of cyclists and some of them are not in control and look like they might fall under your car if you all continue at the same speed. What do you do, let them fall under your car and die? You can't stop dead because vehicles or cyclists behind you will collide with you

    The only option is to accelerate away, breaking the speed limit - esp easy in London where it is 20mph

    2. You see a car pulling out of a side road and the driver's not looking properly, she's on the phone, whatever; if you continue at the same speed you will crash into her. Again slowing suddenly is too dangerous for cars behind. But the road ahead is clear: ergo, the best thing is to floor the pedal and avoid the crash

    I can think of half a dozen similar scenarios where speeding is the safest alternative. Indeed it is one of the reasons you are allowed to challenge a speeding ticket: if staying in the limit means a likely accident

    The problem is the tickets arrive weeks or months after the event by which time you've entirely forgotten this one moment and you have no way of proving it, anyway
    It won’t be long before AI surveillance will be able spot the pattern that you’re always being surrounded by cyclists and oncoming drivers on their phones, anyhow.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,984
    Leon said:

    This sounds more concrete

    #BREAKING: Chief of the General Security Directorate of the Assad regime, Brigadier Hassam Louka is currently leading a coup detat against Assad in #Damascus, capital city of #Syria. He is leading a group of #Syrian Army soldiers who are trying to capture Assad family.

    https://x.com/BabakTaghvaee1/status/1862922015348310103

    Is it bad that I really enjoy a good coup on TwiX? You can watch it unfold in real time, like a good rugby international

    Regime change (other than by election) has its excitements and drama. Imagine how 1989 in Eastern Europe would have played out in an era of TwiX and other social media?

    What about Greece in 1967 and the 1974 Carnation Revolution in Portugal? Had we had social media then....
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084

    Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.

    May be something - may be nothing.
    It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country

    But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
    Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
    An Islamist Syria will - I presume - be much more hostile to Israel? Tho in the maelstrom of MENA politix who can be sure...
    Non Islamic Syria has been pretty hostile you Israel. After all they're very close allies of Hezbollah.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Now there's a report that the coup is SUPPORTED by Putin. That makes very little sense. Assad is his S.O.B

    If Assad meets a grisly end, Putin might start feeling a little nervous, which is no bad thing
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,434

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084

    Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.

    May be something - may be nothing.
    It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country

    But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
    Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
    Bring back the Ottoman Empire?
    Wouldn't put it past Erdoğan's ambitions.
    A relevant article here:
    https://time.com/5885650/erdogans-ottoman-worry-world/
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112
    edited November 30

    Carnyx said:

    Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.

    Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.

    Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.


    https://news.sky.com/story/louise-haighs-photo-of-stolen-phone-taken-after-alleged-theft-13263796

    People defending her were being very gullible.
    Even Sky admit they cannot corroborate claims.

    Read the full article.

    Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.

    They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
    The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
    Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
    True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
    She pleaded guilty, and it is a spent conviction. There is no allegation that she has reoffended, so like McMurdock with his assault should be left in the past.

    Haigh is a good communicator and an effective minister. The rail portfolio is one of the few areas of government that has escaped numbing sloth.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    This sounds more concrete

    #BREAKING: Chief of the General Security Directorate of the Assad regime, Brigadier Hassam Louka is currently leading a coup detat against Assad in #Damascus, capital city of #Syria. He is leading a group of #Syrian Army soldiers who are trying to capture Assad family.

    https://x.com/BabakTaghvaee1/status/1862922015348310103

    Is it bad that I really enjoy a good coup on TwiX? You can watch it unfold in real time, like a good rugby international

    Regime change (other than by election) has its excitements and drama. Imagine how 1989 in Eastern Europe would have played out in an era of TwiX and other social media?

    What about Greece in 1967 and the 1974 Carnation Revolution in Portugal? Had we had social media then....
    Would Nicolae Ceaușescu have been so blind-sided by the crowd's reaction if he and his goons had been following social media?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    edited November 30

    An estimate of 50 seats for FF and 38 seats for FG - a bare majority for the two parties together, but is the difference large enough for FF to insist that they keep the taoiseach instead of rotating?

    Though compared to 38 seats for FF and 35 for FG in 2020 that is actually a swing towards the governing main 2 parties. It is the minor Green party in the government that has taken the hit and seen the losses
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    A contrary voice


    Jason Brodsky
    @JasonMBrodsky
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    I'm skeptical of this video. People walking the streets of Damascus as if nothing is wrong while there is all this gunfire in the background? Something seems off here with this video.


    He makes a decent point. The gunfire is scary and deafening, but people are casually strolling around night-time Damascus?!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,112

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084

    Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.

    May be something - may be nothing.
    It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country

    But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
    Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
    An Islamist Syria will - I presume - be much more hostile to Israel? Tho in the maelstrom of MENA politix who can be sure...
    Non Islamic Syria has been pretty hostile you Israel. After all they're very close allies of Hezbollah.
    I suspect any new government would be very busy with internal affairs for some years and not particularly involved in foreign entanglements.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    edited November 30
    Bit of a shocker for Mary Lou in Dublin Central. She topped the poll and was elected on the first count in 2020, but comes in not far ahead of dimples Pascal this time.

    EDIT: Looks like Gerry "The Monk" Hutch has split the "political wing of armed drug gangs" vote. LOL
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of parking fine anecdotes, my month in France in July has now produced no less than FIVE traffic offences, slowly arriving through my front door in London

    Three speeding fines, one maneuvering fine, one parking fine

    Thing is, I am a fairly careful driver these days. I rarely speed. I was especially careful because half of that month I was ferrying my older daughter around

    The fines were for things like "driving at 88kph in an 80kph temporary zone". The parking fine was an insane €135 for "parking in a disabled bay" - which I did, on a deserted Sunday, in a remote village in Provence, for about 40 minutes, with not a soul to be seen in the burning heat

    From this I have deduced:

    1. The French have speed cameras everywhere, it's worse than the UK
    2. The French state desperately needs income
    3. It will be a while before I willingly drive in France again

    Why on earth park in a disabled bay in the first place? If it was deserted why not park somewhere else? The disabled bays are often designed to be wider or closer to amenities. Why is it alright to take it when a disabled driver might turn up.
    Christ, PB and its lack of imagination

    This is why I parked in a disabled bay. I was driving along a very long, one way, uphill road in the Provencal hills. Very narrow. Nowhere to turn. I then encountered a bunch of tree surgeons who were blocking the road with their equipment, meaning I couldn't get past. But nor could I reverse 3km downhill, not safely, and - as I say - there was nowhere to turn.The tree surgeons were, also, nowhere to be found

    However about 100m before the blockage was just one parking bay. Disabled. I put my car there as it seemed the safest option while I went off to find out what was going on. Turned out the tree surgeons were having a pastis in the village square further ahead, they eventually sauntered down and unblocked the road, allowing me to proceed

    But some officious twat decided to ticket me anyway, even though I had surely chosen the safest of several bad options
    Well that lacks total credibility to defend the indefensible. If the road was blocked why not get out there to find them and if there was a bay and the width of a car to reverse 100m to it you could have turned using the road and the extra width offered by the bay. Sounds like a cock and ball story to me.
    It was a ONE WAY ROAD
    So why not leave it at the blockage
    Because what if I went off to find the tree surgeons, couldn't find them, but in the meantime they came back and buggered off? That would leave my car blocking an entire road, whereas by putting it in the disabled bay I at least left the road open to others, should it becone unblocked during my investigations

    Are you a moron?
    I don't believe you. You are trying to defend the indefensible. Your story changes. One minute you are in a village, next minute you are on a 3 km single lane hill. Which is it?
    lol. Here is a picture of a road in Oppede le vieux. This might even be the road I was on. It was very like this

    Now imagine driving along and finding it is blocked and you’re stuck and you can’t reverse back down 3km and and even if you could do a 17 point turn the road is one way

    But there is just one place you can leave the car without blocking the road YOURSELF and it is a disabled bay

    But you're not disabled.
    Physically, at least.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,515
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084

    Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.

    May be something - may be nothing.
    It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country

    But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
    There are more questions than answers as someone once said.

    Could be the convulsions of a dying regime? Perhaps factional fighting between pro-Iranian and pro-Russian elements? Time will tell.
    Meanwhile in good news for Zelensky at least and indeed for Assad Russia bombers have now had to be sent by Putin to Syria and have begun airstrikes on rebel positions in Aleppo

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy5l50y76k3t
    The BBC is so far behind the curve on this
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.

    Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.

    Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.


    https://news.sky.com/story/louise-haighs-photo-of-stolen-phone-taken-after-alleged-theft-13263796

    People defending her were being very gullible.
    Even Sky admit they cannot corroborate claims.

    Read the full article.

    Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.

    They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
    The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
    Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
    True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
    She pleaded guilty, and it is a spent conviction. There is no allegation that she has reoffended, so like McMurdock with his assault should be left in the past.

    Haigh is a good communicator and an effective minister. The rail portfolio is one of the few areas of government that has escaped numbing sloth.
    So much for lawbreakers cant be lawmakers.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Sounds like a coup to me. Brutal gunfire in the Syrian capital

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/1862917395238605084

    Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.

    May be something - may be nothing.
    It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country

    But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
    Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
    Bring back the Ottoman Empire?
    Wouldn't put it past Erdoğan's ambitions.
    A relevant article here:
    https://time.com/5885650/erdogans-ottoman-worry-world/
    Four years old, amd things may have moved on (especially regarding Hamas) but still a useful read, thanks.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330

    Carnyx said:

    Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.

    Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.

    Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.


    https://news.sky.com/story/louise-haighs-photo-of-stolen-phone-taken-after-alleged-theft-13263796

    People defending her were being very gullible.
    Even Sky admit they cannot corroborate claims.

    Read the full article.

    Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.

    They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
    The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
    Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
    True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
    I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.

    Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.

    More data needed ...
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