Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
She pleaded guilty, and it is a spent conviction. There is no allegation that she has reoffended, so like McMurdock with his assault should be left in the past.
Haigh is a good communicator and an effective minister. The rail portfolio is one of the few areas of government that has escaped numbing sloth.
So much for lawbreakers cant be lawmakers.
2 of our last 3 Prime Ministers were law-breakers, as is the President Elect in the USA, so I think your aphorism is wrong.
Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.
May be something - may be nothing.
It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country
But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
There are more questions than answers as someone once said.
Could be the convulsions of a dying regime? Perhaps factional fighting between pro-Iranian and pro-Russian elements? Time will tell.
Meanwhile in good news for Zelensky at least and indeed for Assad Russia bombers have now had to be sent by Putin to Syria and have begun airstrikes on rebel positions in Aleppo
With Russian and Iranian support Assad should defeat the rebels but Putin cannot afford to have to send vital Russian forces he needs in Ukraine and Kursk to Syria for too long
Jason Brodsky @JasonMBrodsky · 14s I'm skeptical of this video. People walking the streets of Damascus as if nothing is wrong while there is all this gunfire in the background? Something seems off here with this video.
He makes a decent point. The gunfire is scary and deafening, but people are casually strolling around night-time Damascus?!
It sounds like heavy gunfire in Barnes tonight but I think it is fireworks. People are just strolling.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
Jason Brodsky @JasonMBrodsky · 14s I'm skeptical of this video. People walking the streets of Damascus as if nothing is wrong while there is all this gunfire in the background? Something seems off here with this video.
He makes a decent point. The gunfire is scary and deafening, but people are casually strolling around night-time Damascus?!
It sounds like heavy gunfire in Barnes tonight but I think it is fireworks. People are just strolling.
The Richmond Front teeing off against the Mortlake anarchosyndicalists, one presumes.
Now there's a report that the coup is SUPPORTED by Putin. That makes very little sense. Assad is his S.O.B
If Assad meets a grisly end, Putin might start feeling a little nervous, which is no bad thing
If Putin views Assad like an underling, then it makes sense that he would seek to dismiss him and install someone more effective if Assad is failing to keep the Syrian Army in the field to fight the rebels.
The question in Syria that matters most is this: where is the CBRN? Is it secure? On this issue at least, we can rely on the Russians to at least TRY and prevent it falling into jihadist hands, in their own self interest.
An estimate of 50 seats for FF and 38 seats for FG - a bare majority for the two parties together, but is the difference large enough for FF to insist that they keep the taoiseach instead of rotating?
Though compared to 38 seats for FF and 35 for FG in 2020 that is actually a swing towards the governing main 2 parties. It is the minor Green party in the government that has taken the hit and seen the losses
Yes it is. Seems like there are more transfers between FF and FG, so their vote is coalescing, as though they were a single party.
Now there's a report that the coup is SUPPORTED by Putin. That makes very little sense. Assad is his S.O.B
If Assad meets a grisly end, Putin might start feeling a little nervous, which is no bad thing
If Putin views Assad like an underling, then it makes sense that he would seek to dismiss him and install someone more effective if Assad is failing to keep the Syrian Army in the field to fight the rebels.
This might be the propaganda trying to get ahead of the events.
#BREAKING: Chief of the General Security Directorate of the Assad regime, Brigadier Hassam Louka is currently leading a coup detat against Assad in #Damascus, capital city of #Syria. He is leading a group of #Syrian Army soldiers who are trying to capture Assad family.
Is it bad that I really enjoy a good coup on TwiX? You can watch it unfold in real time, like a good rugby international
Regime change (other than by election) has its excitements and drama. Imagine how 1989 in Eastern Europe would have played out in an era of TwiX and other social media?
What about Greece in 1967 and the 1974 Carnation Revolution in Portugal? Had we had social media then....
Would Nicolae Ceaușescu have been so blind-sided by the crowd's reaction if he and his goons had been following social media?
Sometimes people are beyond facts. Think of Trump and his “record breaking” inauguration crowd.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
Another day when I'm glad I'm not a professional punter - time to give backing horses a break for a while.
Elsewhere, the Irish election is going to be a nail-biter or a cliffhanger depending on whether you bite your nails or hang off cliffs. Tentaive thought is FF and FG will be close enough to the 88 seat number to form a Government with perhaps Social Democrat support (?). Long way to go.
Syria - calling it a "mess" is understatement par excellence but for all taking Aleppo and even Homs would be an achievement for the "opposition", the two real prizes would be Damascus to the south and Tartus to the west. When all this happened before, I thought the opposition needed to do a deal with the Russians to ensure the latter would remain with access to Tartus and to not do so only strengthened the alliance between Moscow and Assad.
That was before Russian commitments elesewhere and it remains to be seen what they would do IF the opposition started to seriously threaten Damascus but that's a way off. Aleppo to Homs is about 120 miles, Homs to Damascus about another 100.
Reuters is reporting that the Russians have promised to send additional assistance to Syria within 72 hours, according to sources from within the Syrian military. Maybe they'll send the North Koreans?
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.
May be something - may be nothing.
It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country
But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
An Islamist Syria will - I presume - be much more hostile to Israel? Tho in the maelstrom of MENA politix who can be sure...
Non Islamic Syria has been pretty hostile you Israel. After all they're very close allies of Hezbollah.
Yes, yesterday's events in the northwest of the country were being painted as a loss for Syria, Russia and Iran.
I have no idea where this is going to turn out. If the rebels 'win', will the dozens of disparate groups that make up the 'rebel alliance' be able to decide on a leader(s) without further bloodshed and infighting? And what about the Kurds, who do no seem to be involved with this attack, and who Erdogan hates?
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
Could very well, if they had heard the word and didn't really know. This was at least a decade ago. There were some pretty awful disasters in understanding IT/data evidence. Especially if not tested in court. Really, really basic stuff like police making charges and taking evidence to court without checking if the sysadmin had made changes, or whether the system clock was actually set at the right time.
Jason Brodsky @JasonMBrodsky · 14s I'm skeptical of this video. People walking the streets of Damascus as if nothing is wrong while there is all this gunfire in the background? Something seems off here with this video.
He makes a decent point. The gunfire is scary and deafening, but people are casually strolling around night-time Damascus?!
It sounds like heavy gunfire in Barnes tonight but I think it is fireworks. People are just strolling.
The Richmond Front teeing off against the Mortlake anarchosyndicalists, one presumes.
Anarcho-Syndicalism winning here! The only ones who can beat the Richmond Front.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
There is an awful lot of creative Sky source related allegations being thrown about and bugger all actual coroboration.
It's not as if Rigby is squeaky clean either is it?
Haigh has made an error a decade ago. She's paid a heavy penalty now at a time when she was making a very positive impression.
Meanwhile partner beaters, tax evaders, ID impersonators and Web hackers are being totally ignored.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
A photography enthusiast might well use that term, whether IT person or not.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
Could very well, if they had heard the word and didn't really know. This was at least a decade ago. There were some pretty awful disasters in understanding IT/data evidence. Especially if not tested in court. Really, really basic stuff like police making charges and taking evidence to court without checking if the sysadmin had made changes, or whether the system clock was actually set at the right time.
The mere fact she plead guilty to lying about it gives it some serious weight. The most rationale explanation is that the person investigating does actually know what they are talking about it.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
A photography enthusiast might well use that term, whether IT person or not.
In fact, quite correctly in terms of etymology: It's all data about data = meta-data. Internet Archive uses metadata to mean also things like the bibliographical data for books, and so on. RobD's point is a fair one, but I don't think the word is rigidly enough used.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
A photography enthusiast might well use that term, whether IT person or not.
They’d know what they are looking at. The contention was that the police investigator is a moron that doesn’t know the difference between when a file was created and when the picture was taken.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
If 2 is a multiple of one then it's barely multiple sources.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
Could very well, if they had heard the word and didn't really know. This was at least a decade ago. There were some pretty awful disasters in understanding IT/data evidence. Especially if not tested in court. Really, really basic stuff like police making charges and taking evidence to court without checking if the sysadmin had made changes, or whether the system clock was actually set at the right time.
The mere fact she plead guilty to lying about it gives it some serious weight. The most rationale explanation is that the person investigating does actually know what they are talking about it.
That would require the police to be providing information from their records about a spent charge. Or for an employee of Aviva to be providing specific personal information about another employee - a big nono even after departure.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
A photography enthusiast might well use that term, whether IT person or not.
They’d know what they are looking at. The contention was that the police investigator is a moron that doesn’t know the difference between when a file was created and when the picture was taken.
If you've read about IT evidence and the police, that is entirely possible, at least if one takes the police as a whole. Not tested in court, either. The actual investigator may be a paragon - but where is the report/information coming from, now?
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
Could very well, if they had heard the word and didn't really know. This was at least a decade ago. There were some pretty awful disasters in understanding IT/data evidence. Especially if not tested in court. Really, really basic stuff like police making charges and taking evidence to court without checking if the sysadmin had made changes, or whether the system clock was actually set at the right time.
The mere fact she plead guilty to lying about it gives it some serious weight. The most rationale explanation is that the person investigating does actually know what they are talking about it.
That would require the police to be providing information from their records about a spent charge. Or for an employee of Aviva to be providing specific personal information about another employee - a big nono even after departure.
All else would be secondhand, no?
Does a conviction being spent prevent anyone from discussing it? I don’t think so.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
Could very well, if they had heard the word and didn't really know. This was at least a decade ago. There were some pretty awful disasters in understanding IT/data evidence. Especially if not tested in court. Really, really basic stuff like police making charges and taking evidence to court without checking if the sysadmin had made changes, or whether the system clock was actually set at the right time.
The mere fact she plead guilty to lying about it gives it some serious weight. The most rationale explanation is that the person investigating does actually know what they are talking about it.
That would require the police to be providing information from their records about a spent charge. Or for an employee of Aviva to be providing specific personal information about another employee - a big nono even after departure.
All else would be secondhand, no?
Does a conviction being spent prevent anyone from discussing it? I don’t think so.
Would it not prevent the *police* from bringing it to publoic notice? That's what I don't understand about those suppositions.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
A photography enthusiast might well use that term, whether IT person or not.
They’d know what they are looking at. The contention was that the police investigator is a moron that doesn’t know the difference between when a file was created and when the picture was taken.
If you've read about IT evidence and the police, that is entirely possible, at least if one takes the police as a whole. Not tested in court, either. The actual investigator may be a paragon - but where is the report/information coming from, now?
I think it’s quite unlikely given how basic the type of information we are discussing is. It would be different if there was a suggestion that it had been tampered with, but I suspect Haigh didn’t consider the metadata when taking the photo.
NEW: Syrian news site Sawt Al-Asima, which specialises on Damascus news, says there are no security incidents in Damascus and its countryside, and everything being circulated on social media about clashes between Syrian army units or security services is false.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
Could very well, if they had heard the word and didn't really know. This was at least a decade ago. There were some pretty awful disasters in understanding IT/data evidence. Especially if not tested in court. Really, really basic stuff like police making charges and taking evidence to court without checking if the sysadmin had made changes, or whether the system clock was actually set at the right time.
The mere fact she plead guilty to lying about it gives it some serious weight. The most rationale explanation is that the person investigating does actually know what they are talking about it.
That would require the police to be providing information from their records about a spent charge. Or for an employee of Aviva to be providing specific personal information about another employee - a big nono even after departure.
All else would be secondhand, no?
Does a conviction being spent prevent anyone from discussing it? I don’t think so.
It is technically a data breach if someone's spent conviction is put into the public domain without their consent unless on grounds of safeguards for rights and freedoms of others (eg if work with children could be disclosed to schools or youth clubs). The ICO can fine the party responsible for the breach
Now there's a report that the coup is SUPPORTED by Putin. That makes very little sense. Assad is his S.O.B
If Assad meets a grisly end, Putin might start feeling a little nervous, which is no bad thing
Which is a wholly inaccurate report given the Russian airstrikes which have now begun on Syrian rebel positions.
Given Russian airstrikes enabled Assad to beat ISIS they should certainly ensure he bits these second rate by comparison rebels.
Assad will have to do some swift mass executions of rebel leaders and army defectors though to restore order
The rebels are currently driving towards Homs in convoys unopposed.
For now, if the Russians start bombing those convoys too they will be sitting ducks
*If*.
The Syrians and Russians spent a lot of treasure a few years ago capturing many of the areas that the rebels have recaptured in a day. And AIUI some of the areas captured were never under 'rebel' control. If they found it that hard years ago, why would they find it easier now, in this chaos?
And as the Russians found out on the roads to Moscow last year, 'bombing' convoys can just lead to loss of aircraft.
Putin is starting to look very stretched. If only the Ukrainians had the forces and kit to launch a renewed offensive now.
Zelenskyy said yesterday that Western countries had only provided kit to equip 2.5 of the latest 10 Ukrainian brigades being trained. We've let them down. All we had to do was to spend a bit of money and supply them with the weapons and equipment they needed to win. Such a colossal waste.
Putin is starting to look very stretched. If only the Ukrainians had the forces and kit to launch a renewed offensive now.
Zelenskyy said yesterday that Western countries had only provided kit to equip 2.5 of the latest 10 Ukrainian brigades being trained. We've let them down. All we had to do was to spend a bit of money and supply them with the weapons and equipment they needed to win. Such a colossal waste.
And we can’t blame supply chains now. We’ve had two years.
Similarly we didn’t need to still be reliant on Uncle Sam. We made these choices.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
Could very well, if they had heard the word and didn't really know. This was at least a decade ago. There were some pretty awful disasters in understanding IT/data evidence. Especially if not tested in court. Really, really basic stuff like police making charges and taking evidence to court without checking if the sysadmin had made changes, or whether the system clock was actually set at the right time.
The best one was when the police arrested some alleged terrorists. In what turned out to be a complete fuck up. By the police.
Then they found illegal porn on one of the seized laptops. Except that it had actually been put there while the laptop was in police custody. And the timestamps crudely altered.
What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?
We can’t know until tomorrow. But the thing to watch is the reactions of countries with embassies/consulates in place and/or aid workers out there in numbers.
Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
Could very well, if they had heard the word and didn't really know. This was at least a decade ago. There were some pretty awful disasters in understanding IT/data evidence. Especially if not tested in court. Really, really basic stuff like police making charges and taking evidence to court without checking if the sysadmin had made changes, or whether the system clock was actually set at the right time.
The best one was when the police arrested some alleged terrorists. In what turned out to be a complete fuck up. By the police.
Then they found illegal porn on one of the seized laptops. Except that it had actually been put there while the laptop was in police custody. And the timestamps crudely altered.
Could have been worse. They could have been an attractive woman.
Now there's a report that the coup is SUPPORTED by Putin. That makes very little sense. Assad is his S.O.B
If Assad meets a grisly end, Putin might start feeling a little nervous, which is no bad thing
Which is a wholly inaccurate report given the Russian airstrikes which have now begun on Syrian rebel positions.
Given Russian airstrikes enabled Assad to beat ISIS they should certainly ensure he bits these second rate by comparison rebels.
Assad will have to do some swift mass executions of rebel leaders and army defectors though to restore order
The rebels are currently driving towards Homs in convoys unopposed.
For now, if the Russians start bombing those convoys too they will be sitting ducks
*If*.
The Syrians and Russians spent a lot of treasure a few years ago capturing many of the areas that the rebels have recaptured in a day. And AIUI some of the areas captured were never under 'rebel' control. If they found it that hard years ago, why would they find it easier now, in this chaos?
And as the Russians found out on the roads to Moscow last year, 'bombing' convoys can just lead to loss of aircraft.
Nonetheless, it was Russian bombers who enabled Assad to defeat ISIS and if they could defeat them they can certainly defeat this mob
What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?
I expect the Assad regime would wait until it was crushed with Russian help, then only confirm it had happened once the rebel leaders are hanging from lampposts once dawn breaks over Damascus
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
A photography enthusiast might well use that term, whether IT person or not.
They’d know what they are looking at. The contention was that the police investigator is a moron that doesn’t know the difference between when a file was created and when the picture was taken.
If you've read about IT evidence and the police, that is entirely possible, at least if one takes the police as a whole. Not tested in court, either. The actual investigator may be a paragon - but where is the report/information coming from, now?
I think it’s quite unlikely given how basic the type of information we are discussing is. It would be different if there was a suggestion that it had been tampered with, but I suspect Haigh didn’t consider the metadata when taking the photo.
But too many solicitors would assume it couldn't have been tampered with, or take it as a minor enough offence not to risk pleading not guilty. Post Office and all that. Anyway, interesting discussion - we will see how it comes out. Called to dinner now ...
Now there's a report that the coup is SUPPORTED by Putin. That makes very little sense. Assad is his S.O.B
If Assad meets a grisly end, Putin might start feeling a little nervous, which is no bad thing
Which is a wholly inaccurate report given the Russian airstrikes which have now begun on Syrian rebel positions.
Given Russian airstrikes enabled Assad to beat ISIS they should certainly ensure he bits these second rate by comparison rebels.
Assad will have to do some swift mass executions of rebel leaders and army defectors though to restore order
The rebels are currently driving towards Homs in convoys unopposed.
For now, if the Russians start bombing those convoys too they will be sitting ducks
*If*.
The Syrians and Russians spent a lot of treasure a few years ago capturing many of the areas that the rebels have recaptured in a day. And AIUI some of the areas captured were never under 'rebel' control. If they found it that hard years ago, why would they find it easier now, in this chaos?
And as the Russians found out on the roads to Moscow last year, 'bombing' convoys can just lead to loss of aircraft.
Nonetheless, it was Russian bombers who enabled Assad to defeat ISIS and if they could defeat them they can certainly defeat this mob
Speaks someone who has never heard of Operation Inherent Resolve...
What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?
We can’t know until tomorrow. But the thing to watch is the reactions of countries with embassies/consulates in place and/or aid workers out there in numbers.
Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
If there really is a coup taking place by now we'd be seeing a flood of images and videos from locals in Damascus. We are not
My guess is there has perhaps been some sporadic gunfire from rebels in the city (because rebels clearly ARE on the march elsewhere in Syria) and they're trying to spook and roil the regime while Assad is away, by making it out to be much bigger
What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?
We can’t know until tomorrow. But the thing to watch is the reactions of countries with embassies/consulates in place and/or aid workers out there in numbers.
Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
If there really is a coup taking place by now we'd be seeing a flood of images and videos from locals in Damascus. We are not
My guess is there has perhaps been some sporadic gunfire from rebels in the city (because rebels clearly ARE on the march elsewhere in Syria) and they're trying to spook and roil the regime while Assad is away, by making it out to be much bigger
Anton Gerashchenko @Gerashchenko_en · 45m Syrian TV and Russian Telegram channels report that Bashar al-Assad returned to Syria. He allegedly went to Moscow where he waited for a meeting with Putin.
Incidentally, anyone believing HYUFD's claims about Syrian forces should read about the Battle of Khasham in 2018, when Russian and Syrian forces went up against US forces in Syria.
The result was not pretty. 40 US troops against 500 Syrian and Russians. The result? 65-200 Russians killed; no Americans injured.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
Could very well, if they had heard the word and didn't really know. This was at least a decade ago. There were some pretty awful disasters in understanding IT/data evidence. Especially if not tested in court. Really, really basic stuff like police making charges and taking evidence to court without checking if the sysadmin had made changes, or whether the system clock was actually set at the right time.
The best one was when the police arrested some alleged terrorists. In what turned out to be a complete fuck up. By the police.
Then they found illegal porn on one of the seized laptops. Except that it had actually been put there while the laptop was in police custody. And the timestamps crudely altered.
Could have been worse. They could have been an attractive woman.
It’s things like that, that really upset me.
1) we have police too incompetent to do a fit up 2) the Doctors Plot terrorist thing (Glasgow Airport etc). Aside from the idiosyncratic notion of finding 72 virgins in Glasgow, or inside Tiger Tiger in Piccadilly, London… we had employed in the NHS, doctors who believed that a car full of jerrycans of petrol and a couple of road flares would explode like a Jerry Bruckheimer movie effect… FFS one of them might have tried to treat a family member of mine.
I want competent bad guys. Simon Gruber would be nice. Polite, articulate and expert…
Now there's a report that the coup is SUPPORTED by Putin. That makes very little sense. Assad is his S.O.B
If Assad meets a grisly end, Putin might start feeling a little nervous, which is no bad thing
Which is a wholly inaccurate report given the Russian airstrikes which have now begun on Syrian rebel positions.
Given Russian airstrikes enabled Assad to beat ISIS they should certainly ensure he bits these second rate by comparison rebels.
Assad will have to do some swift mass executions of rebel leaders and army defectors though to restore order
The rebels are currently driving towards Homs in convoys unopposed.
For now, if the Russians start bombing those convoys too they will be sitting ducks
*If*.
The Syrians and Russians spent a lot of treasure a few years ago capturing many of the areas that the rebels have recaptured in a day. And AIUI some of the areas captured were never under 'rebel' control. If they found it that hard years ago, why would they find it easier now, in this chaos?
And as the Russians found out on the roads to Moscow last year, 'bombing' convoys can just lead to loss of aircraft.
Nonetheless, it was Russian bombers who enabled Assad to defeat ISIS and if they could defeat them they can certainly defeat this mob
Speaks someone who has never heard of Operation Inherent Resolve...
Only really effective in Iraq where it was focused, it was the Russians who liberated Syria from ISIS
What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?
We can’t know until tomorrow. But the thing to watch is the reactions of countries with embassies/consulates in place and/or aid workers out there in numbers.
Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
If there really is a coup taking place by now we'd be seeing a flood of images and videos from locals in Damascus. We are not
My guess is there has perhaps been some sporadic gunfire from rebels in the city (because rebels clearly ARE on the march elsewhere in Syria) and they're trying to spook and roil the regime while Assad is away, by making it out to be much bigger
Assad does look imperilled, however
Weren't there reports he is in Moscow currently?
Apparently landed in Damascus several hours ago...
Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.
May be something - may be nothing.
It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country
But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
An Islamist Syria will - I presume - be much more hostile to Israel? Tho in the maelstrom of MENA politix who can be sure...
No. Israel has supported the rebellion - including ISIS it is alleged. ISIS certainly held a redoubt adjoining the Israeli border for a long time.
What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?
We can’t know until tomorrow. But the thing to watch is the reactions of countries with embassies/consulates in place and/or aid workers out there in numbers.
Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
If there really is a coup taking place by now we'd be seeing a flood of images and videos from locals in Damascus. We are not
My guess is there has perhaps been some sporadic gunfire from rebels in the city (because rebels clearly ARE on the march elsewhere in Syria) and they're trying to spook and roil the regime while Assad is away, by making it out to be much bigger
Assad does look imperilled, however
There’s coups and coups. Picture Jason Isaacs.
One also has to speculate about what the Israelis might be up to.
Now there's a report that the coup is SUPPORTED by Putin. That makes very little sense. Assad is his S.O.B
If Assad meets a grisly end, Putin might start feeling a little nervous, which is no bad thing
Which is a wholly inaccurate report given the Russian airstrikes which have now begun on Syrian rebel positions.
Given Russian airstrikes enabled Assad to beat ISIS they should certainly ensure he bits these second rate by comparison rebels.
Assad will have to do some swift mass executions of rebel leaders and army defectors though to restore order
The rebels are currently driving towards Homs in convoys unopposed.
For now, if the Russians start bombing those convoys too they will be sitting ducks
*If*.
The Syrians and Russians spent a lot of treasure a few years ago capturing many of the areas that the rebels have recaptured in a day. And AIUI some of the areas captured were never under 'rebel' control. If they found it that hard years ago, why would they find it easier now, in this chaos?
And as the Russians found out on the roads to Moscow last year, 'bombing' convoys can just lead to loss of aircraft.
Nonetheless, it was Russian bombers who enabled Assad to defeat ISIS and if they could defeat them they can certainly defeat this mob
Speaks someone who has never heard of Operation Inherent Resolve...
Only really effective in Iraq where it was focused, it was the Russians who liberated Syria from ISIS
Now there's a report that the coup is SUPPORTED by Putin. That makes very little sense. Assad is his S.O.B
If Assad meets a grisly end, Putin might start feeling a little nervous, which is no bad thing
Which is a wholly inaccurate report given the Russian airstrikes which have now begun on Syrian rebel positions.
Given Russian airstrikes enabled Assad to beat ISIS they should certainly ensure he bits these second rate by comparison rebels.
Assad will have to do some swift mass executions of rebel leaders and army defectors though to restore order
The rebels are currently driving towards Homs in convoys unopposed.
For now, if the Russians start bombing those convoys too they will be sitting ducks
*If*.
The Syrians and Russians spent a lot of treasure a few years ago capturing many of the areas that the rebels have recaptured in a day. And AIUI some of the areas captured were never under 'rebel' control. If they found it that hard years ago, why would they find it easier now, in this chaos?
And as the Russians found out on the roads to Moscow last year, 'bombing' convoys can just lead to loss of aircraft.
Nonetheless, it was Russian bombers who enabled Assad to defeat ISIS and if they could defeat them they can certainly defeat this mob
Speaks someone who has never heard of Operation Inherent Resolve...
Only really effective in Iraq where it was focused, it was the Russians who liberated Syria from ISIS
Absolute bullshit.
Oh come on. In this particular instance there's a case it's only relative bullshit.
Now there's a report that the coup is SUPPORTED by Putin. That makes very little sense. Assad is his S.O.B
If Assad meets a grisly end, Putin might start feeling a little nervous, which is no bad thing
Which is a wholly inaccurate report given the Russian airstrikes which have now begun on Syrian rebel positions.
Given Russian airstrikes enabled Assad to beat ISIS they should certainly ensure he bits these second rate by comparison rebels.
Assad will have to do some swift mass executions of rebel leaders and army defectors though to restore order
The rebels are currently driving towards Homs in convoys unopposed.
For now, if the Russians start bombing those convoys too they will be sitting ducks
*If*.
The Syrians and Russians spent a lot of treasure a few years ago capturing many of the areas that the rebels have recaptured in a day. And AIUI some of the areas captured were never under 'rebel' control. If they found it that hard years ago, why would they find it easier now, in this chaos?
And as the Russians found out on the roads to Moscow last year, 'bombing' convoys can just lead to loss of aircraft.
Nonetheless, it was Russian bombers who enabled Assad to defeat ISIS and if they could defeat them they can certainly defeat this mob
That was before Russian losses of equipment and trained pilots and soldiers in the war against Ukraine.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
Could very well, if they had heard the word and didn't really know. This was at least a decade ago. There were some pretty awful disasters in understanding IT/data evidence. Especially if not tested in court. Really, really basic stuff like police making charges and taking evidence to court without checking if the sysadmin had made changes, or whether the system clock was actually set at the right time.
The best one was when the police arrested some alleged terrorists. In what turned out to be a complete fuck up. By the police.
Then they found illegal porn on one of the seized laptops. Except that it had actually been put there while the laptop was in police custody. And the timestamps crudely altered.
Could have been worse. They could have been an attractive woman.
It’s things like that, that really upset me.
1) we have police too incompetent to do a fit up 2) the Doctors Plot terrorist thing (Glasgow Airport etc). Aside from the idiosyncratic notion of finding 72 virgins in Glasgow, or inside Tiger Tiger in Piccadilly, London… we had employed in the NHS, doctors who believed that a car full of jerrycans of petrol and a couple of road flares would explode like a Jerry Bruckheimer movie effect… FFS one of them might have tried to treat a family member of mine.
I want competent bad guys. Simon Gruber would be nice. Polite, articulate and expert…
The second one hit me hard, too - that was the first time in my life that I realised that being a doctor was no guarantee that someone wasn't a f***ing idiot.
If Trump is really as chummy with Putin as everyone believes him to be, perhaps this is why the rebels and their backers have moved now trying to make something happen before he pulls the US out and calls a halt to the whole debacle.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
Metadata (EXIF) includes not only the time of the file creation and modification, but also the date the photo was taken.
So it should - but non-IT people confuse that with the file creation date on the file listing.
A non-IT person wouldn’t call it metadata.
Could very well, if they had heard the word and didn't really know. This was at least a decade ago. There were some pretty awful disasters in understanding IT/data evidence. Especially if not tested in court. Really, really basic stuff like police making charges and taking evidence to court without checking if the sysadmin had made changes, or whether the system clock was actually set at the right time.
The best one was when the police arrested some alleged terrorists. In what turned out to be a complete fuck up. By the police.
Then they found illegal porn on one of the seized laptops. Except that it had actually been put there while the laptop was in police custody. And the timestamps crudely altered.
Could have been worse. They could have been an attractive woman.
It’s things like that, that really upset me.
1) we have police too incompetent to do a fit up 2) the Doctors Plot terrorist thing (Glasgow Airport etc). Aside from the idiosyncratic notion of finding 72 virgins in Glasgow, or inside Tiger Tiger in Piccadilly, London… we had employed in the NHS, doctors who believed that a car full of jerrycans of petrol and a couple of road flares would explode like a Jerry Bruckheimer movie effect… FFS one of them might have tried to treat a family member of mine.
I want competent bad guys. Simon Gruber would be nice. Polite, articulate and expert…
Yes, the quality seems to have gone down since the late 90s AQ franchises.
Incidentally, anyone believing HYUFD's claims about Syrian forces should read about the Battle of Khasham in 2018, when Russian and Syrian forces went up against US forces in Syria.
The result was not pretty. 40 US troops against 500 Syrian and Russians. The result? 65-200 Russians killed; no Americans injured.
Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.
May be something - may be nothing.
It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country
But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
An Islamist Syria will - I presume - be much more hostile to Israel? Tho in the maelstrom of MENA politix who can be sure...
No. Israel has supported the rebellion - including ISIS it is alleged. ISIS certainly held a redoubt adjoining the Israeli border for a long time.
Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.
May be something - may be nothing.
It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country
But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
An Islamist Syria will - I presume - be much more hostile to Israel? Tho in the maelstrom of MENA politix who can be sure...
No. Israel has supported the rebellion - including ISIS it is alleged. ISIS certainly held a redoubt adjoining the Israeli border for a long time.
Yes, hence my partially qualifying remarks
Yes, sorry have re-read it and comprehended it now. The odd spellings and punctuation threw me off I think.
Incidentally, anyone believing HYUFD's claims about Syrian forces should read about the Battle of Khasham in 2018, when Russian and Syrian forces went up against US forces in Syria.
The result was not pretty. 40 US troops against 500 Syrian and Russians. The result? 65-200 Russians killed; no Americans injured.
About 95% of that was air strikes. Advancing across open, rocky ground, with air burst weapons raining down…
Yes, air strikes brought in by well-trained troops coordinating with a well-trained air force under brilliant command, control and communications equipment and processes.
Something the Russians have not proved very good at. At all.
Incidentally, anyone believing HYUFD's claims about Syrian forces should read about the Battle of Khasham in 2018, when Russian and Syrian forces went up against US forces in Syria.
The result was not pretty. 40 US troops against 500 Syrian and Russians. The result? 65-200 Russians killed; no Americans injured.
Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.
May be something - may be nothing.
It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country
But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
An Islamist Syria will - I presume - be much more hostile to Israel? Tho in the maelstrom of MENA politix who can be sure...
No. Israel has supported the rebellion - including ISIS it is alleged. ISIS certainly held a redoubt adjoining the Israeli border for a long time.
Yes, hence my partially qualifying remarks
Yes, sorry have re-read it and comprehended it now. The odd spellings and punctuation threw me off I think.
I get bored writing Normal
Assad may still be in imminent trouble, even if Damascus is not falling tonight
"Pro-opposition sources in southern #Syria are circulating a statement demanding regime soldiers manning checkpoints withdraw, warning of an upcoming offensive."
If Trump is really as chummy with Putin as everyone believes him to be, perhaps this is why the rebels and their backers have moved now trying to make something happen before he pulls the US out and calls a halt to the whole debacle.
The implication of your hypothesis is that the rebels and their backers could have moved any time in the past four years but chose not to.
Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.
May be something - may be nothing.
It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country
But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
An Islamist Syria will - I presume - be much more hostile to Israel? Tho in the maelstrom of MENA politix who can be sure...
No. Israel has supported the rebellion - including ISIS it is alleged. ISIS certainly held a redoubt adjoining the Israeli border for a long time.
Yes, hence my partially qualifying remarks
Yes, sorry have re-read it and comprehended it now. The odd spellings and punctuation threw me off I think.
I get bored writing Normal
Assad may still be in imminent trouble, even if Damascus is not falling tonight
"Pro-opposition sources in southern #Syria are circulating a statement demanding regime soldiers manning checkpoints withdraw, warning of an upcoming offensive."
Incidentally, anyone believing HYUFD's claims about Syrian forces should read about the Battle of Khasham in 2018, when Russian and Syrian forces went up against US forces in Syria.
The result was not pretty. 40 US troops against 500 Syrian and Russians. The result? 65-200 Russians killed; no Americans injured.
Completely irrelevant given ISIS weren't even involved in that incident.
As I said it was Russian airstrikes in Syria which defeated ISIS not US strikes, US strikes on ISIS were focused on northern Iraq
And as I said: bullshit. Why do you think the US forces were in Syria under the anti-ISIS operation?
Russian propaganda has them as being victorious in this. And yes, they did some of the work. But not, as you try to make out, enough to have caused the 'defeat' of ISIS (who are actually still in Syria, in small, relatively isolated pockets)
Most of Russian actions in Syria were not against ISIS, but against the anti-Assad forces. Which is why the battle mentioned above happened as they tried attacking Kurdish forces.
Have to say for a coup I don't see much signs of panic or fear among the people or the traffic. No actual pictures of tanks or soldiers moving - just sounds of gunfire.
May be something - may be nothing.
It's definitely something. Far too many reports of major gunfire in Damascus PLUS all the rapid developments elsewhere in the country
But cui bono? Who is fighting who? Who benefits if Assad falls? Where does Iran stand? And why is Assad's brother allegedly leading the rebels?!
Rather than Iran, look to Turkey as the beneficiary of change...
An Islamist Syria will - I presume - be much more hostile to Israel? Tho in the maelstrom of MENA politix who can be sure...
No. Israel has supported the rebellion - including ISIS it is alleged. ISIS certainly held a redoubt adjoining the Israeli border for a long time.
What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?
We can’t know until tomorrow. But the thing to watch is the reactions of countries with embassies/consulates in place and/or aid workers out there in numbers.
Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
If there really is a coup taking place by now we'd be seeing a flood of images and videos from locals in Damascus. We are not
My guess is there has perhaps been some sporadic gunfire from rebels in the city (because rebels clearly ARE on the march elsewhere in Syria) and they're trying to spook and roil the regime while Assad is away, by making it out to be much bigger
Assad does look imperilled, however
Weren't there reports he is in Moscow currently?
Apparently landed in Damascus several hours ago...
Ah ok thanks, I'm just catching up. Have rather selfishly been focused on living my life today.
Incidentally, anyone believing HYUFD's claims about Syrian forces should read about the Battle of Khasham in 2018, when Russian and Syrian forces went up against US forces in Syria.
The result was not pretty. 40 US troops against 500 Syrian and Russians. The result? 65-200 Russians killed; no Americans injured.
Completely irrelevant given ISIS weren't even involved in that incident.
As I said it was Russian airstrikes in Syria which defeated ISIS not US strikes, US strikes on ISIS were focused on northern Iraq
And as I said: bullshit. Why do you think the US forces were in Syria under the anti-ISIS operation?
Russian propaganda has them as being victorious in this. And yes, they did some of the work. But not, as you try to make out, enough to have caused the 'defeat' of ISIS (who are actually still in Syria, in small, relatively isolated pockets)
Most of Russian actions in Syria were not against ISIS, but against the anti-Assad forces. Which is why the battle mentioned above happened as they tried attacking Kurdish forces.
US forces only intervened in Syria to support the Free Syrian army who proved utterly useless in defeating ISIS or Assad (and as you say the Kurds who in Syria and Iraq were the most effective resistance to ISIS on the ground).
Russian airstrikes in Syria were in support of the Assad regime and made the difference to defeat ISIS in Syria as well as the FSA and other rebels.
If Russian strikes now continue against these new rebels their leaders will soon be dead or facing firing squads for treason
What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?
We can’t know until tomorrow. But the thing to watch is the reactions of countries with embassies/consulates in place and/or aid workers out there in numbers.
Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
If there really is a coup taking place by now we'd be seeing a flood of images and videos from locals in Damascus. We are not
My guess is there has perhaps been some sporadic gunfire from rebels in the city (because rebels clearly ARE on the march elsewhere in Syria) and they're trying to spook and roil the regime while Assad is away, by making it out to be much bigger
Assad does look imperilled, however
There’s coups and coups. Picture Jason Isaacs.
One also has to speculate about what the Israelis might be up to.
Israel and the Kurds get on fairly well, both historically and nowadays. Various reasons, but sympathy for another group wanting an independent homeland is a large part (excepting Palestinians, obviously...). I think Israel is the only country to have agreed that the Kurds should get a state.
What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?
We can’t know until tomorrow. But the thing to watch is the reactions of countries with embassies/consulates in place and/or aid workers out there in numbers.
Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
If there really is a coup taking place by now we'd be seeing a flood of images and videos from locals in Damascus. We are not
My guess is there has perhaps been some sporadic gunfire from rebels in the city (because rebels clearly ARE on the march elsewhere in Syria) and they're trying to spook and roil the regime while Assad is away, by making it out to be much bigger
Assad does look imperilled, however
Weren't there reports he is in Moscow currently?
Apparently landed in Damascus several hours ago...
Ah ok thanks, I'm just catching up. Have rather selfishly been focused on living my life today.
Call yourself a PBer? There is no such thing as "life"
Babak Taghvaee - The Crisis Watch @BabakTaghvaee1 · 1m #BREAKING: Unconfirmed reports about failure of the Coup d'état against #Assad led by Brigadier Hassam Louka in #Damascus. #Syrian Republican Guard (SRG) has now arrested most of the participants of the coup.
Incidentally, anyone believing HYUFD's claims about Syrian forces should read about the Battle of Khasham in 2018, when Russian and Syrian forces went up against US forces in Syria.
The result was not pretty. 40 US troops against 500 Syrian and Russians. The result? 65-200 Russians killed; no Americans injured.
Completely irrelevant given ISIS weren't even involved in that incident.
As I said it was Russian airstrikes in Syria which defeated ISIS not US strikes, US strikes on ISIS were focused on northern Iraq
And as I said: bullshit. Why do you think the US forces were in Syria under the anti-ISIS operation?
Russian propaganda has them as being victorious in this. And yes, they did some of the work. But not, as you try to make out, enough to have caused the 'defeat' of ISIS (who are actually still in Syria, in small, relatively isolated pockets)
Most of Russian actions in Syria were not against ISIS, but against the anti-Assad forces. Which is why the battle mentioned above happened as they tried attacking Kurdish forces.
US forces only intervened in Syria to support the Free Syrian army who proved utterly useless in defeating ISIS or Assad (and as you say the Kurds who in Syria and Iraq were the most effective resistance to ISIS on the ground).
Russian airstrikes in Syria were in support of the Assad regime and made the difference to defeat ISIS in Syria as well as the FSA and other rebels.
If Russian strikes now continue against these new rebels their leaders will soon be dead or facing firing squads for treason
Even with Russian help it took the SAA years to recapture all the towns and cities they have lost control of in the last few days.
What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?
We can’t know until tomorrow. But the thing to watch is the reactions of countries with embassies/consulates in place and/or aid workers out there in numbers.
Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
If there really is a coup taking place by now we'd be seeing a flood of images and videos from locals in Damascus. We are not
My guess is there has perhaps been some sporadic gunfire from rebels in the city (because rebels clearly ARE on the march elsewhere in Syria) and they're trying to spook and roil the regime while Assad is away, by making it out to be much bigger
Assad does look imperilled, however
Weren't there reports he is in Moscow currently?
Apparently landed in Damascus several hours ago...
Ah ok thanks, I'm just catching up. Have rather selfishly been focused on living my life today.
Call yourself a PBer? There is no such thing as "life"
Incidentally, anyone believing HYUFD's claims about Syrian forces should read about the Battle of Khasham in 2018, when Russian and Syrian forces went up against US forces in Syria.
The result was not pretty. 40 US troops against 500 Syrian and Russians. The result? 65-200 Russians killed; no Americans injured.
What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?
We can’t know until tomorrow. But the thing to watch is the reactions of countries with embassies/consulates in place and/or aid workers out there in numbers.
Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
If there really is a coup taking place by now we'd be seeing a flood of images and videos from locals in Damascus. We are not
My guess is there has perhaps been some sporadic gunfire from rebels in the city (because rebels clearly ARE on the march elsewhere in Syria) and they're trying to spook and roil the regime while Assad is away, by making it out to be much bigger
Assad does look imperilled, however
Weren't there reports he is in Moscow currently?
Apparently landed in Damascus several hours ago...
Ah ok thanks, I'm just catching up. Have rather selfishly been focused on living my life today.
Call yourself a PBer? There is no such thing as "life"
I dunno. We once had a poster called @SeanT who had about twelve of them.
Incidentally, anyone believing HYUFD's claims about Syrian forces should read about the Battle of Khasham in 2018, when Russian and Syrian forces went up against US forces in Syria.
The result was not pretty. 40 US troops against 500 Syrian and Russians. The result? 65-200 Russians killed; no Americans injured.
Completely irrelevant given ISIS weren't even involved in that incident.
As I said it was Russian airstrikes in Syria which defeated ISIS not US strikes, US strikes on ISIS were focused on northern Iraq
And as I said: bullshit. Why do you think the US forces were in Syria under the anti-ISIS operation?
Russian propaganda has them as being victorious in this. And yes, they did some of the work. But not, as you try to make out, enough to have caused the 'defeat' of ISIS (who are actually still in Syria, in small, relatively isolated pockets)
Most of Russian actions in Syria were not against ISIS, but against the anti-Assad forces. Which is why the battle mentioned above happened as they tried attacking Kurdish forces.
US forces only intervened in Syria to support the Free Syrian army who proved utterly useless in defeating ISIS or Assad (and as you say the Kurds who in Syria and Iraq were the most effective resistance to ISIS on the ground).
Russian airstrikes in Syria were in support of the Assad regime and made the difference to defeat ISIS in Syria as well as the FSA and other rebels.
If Russian strikes now continue against these new rebels their leaders will soon be dead or facing firing squads for treason
"The battle—which was composed of a series of ground assaults—took place in and around the Syrian town of Al-Baghuz Fawqani in the Middle Euphrates River Valley near the Iraq–Syria border, and was the territorial last stand of the ISIS (IS) in eastern Syria."
"The SDF officially declared final victory over the ISIS in Baghuz Fawqani on 23 March, marking the end of IS-controlled territories in Syria."
What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?
We can’t know until tomorrow. But the thing to watch is the reactions of countries with embassies/consulates in place and/or aid workers out there in numbers.
Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
If there really is a coup taking place by now we'd be seeing a flood of images and videos from locals in Damascus. We are not
My guess is there has perhaps been some sporadic gunfire from rebels in the city (because rebels clearly ARE on the march elsewhere in Syria) and they're trying to spook and roil the regime while Assad is away, by making it out to be much bigger
Assad does look imperilled, however
Weren't there reports he is in Moscow currently?
Apparently landed in Damascus several hours ago...
Ah ok thanks, I'm just catching up. Have rather selfishly been focused on living my life today.
Call yourself a PBer? There is no such thing as "life"
Humble apols - will try harder in future.
To redeem yourself, you need to stay up until 3am arguing relentlessly with @BartholomewRoberts about the chances of the Lib Dems versus Plaid Cymru in west Anglesey in the next Senedd elections
What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?
We can’t know until tomorrow. But the thing to watch is the reactions of countries with embassies/consulates in place and/or aid workers out there in numbers.
Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
If there really is a coup taking place by now we'd be seeing a flood of images and videos from locals in Damascus. We are not
My guess is there has perhaps been some sporadic gunfire from rebels in the city (because rebels clearly ARE on the march elsewhere in Syria) and they're trying to spook and roil the regime while Assad is away, by making it out to be much bigger
Assad does look imperilled, however
Weren't there reports he is in Moscow currently?
Apparently landed in Damascus several hours ago...
Ah ok thanks, I'm just catching up. Have rather selfishly been focused on living my life today.
Call yourself a PBer? There is no such thing as "life"
Humble apols - will try harder in future.
To redeem yourself, you need to stay up until 3am arguing relentlessly with @BartholomewRoberts about the chances of the Lib Dems versus Plaid Cymru in west Anglesey in the next Senedd elections
Honestly, call yourself intelligent? 'West Anglesey' is called 'Ynys Gybi.'
What if they really DO have a coup and no one believes it happened?
We can’t know until tomorrow. But the thing to watch is the reactions of countries with embassies/consulates in place and/or aid workers out there in numbers.
Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
If there really is a coup taking place by now we'd be seeing a flood of images and videos from locals in Damascus. We are not
My guess is there has perhaps been some sporadic gunfire from rebels in the city (because rebels clearly ARE on the march elsewhere in Syria) and they're trying to spook and roil the regime while Assad is away, by making it out to be much bigger
Assad does look imperilled, however
Weren't there reports he is in Moscow currently?
Apparently landed in Damascus several hours ago...
Ah ok thanks, I'm just catching up. Have rather selfishly been focused on living my life today.
Call yourself a PBer? There is no such thing as "life"
I dunno. We once had a poster called @SeanT who had about twelve of them.
I think he retired, having made his millions as an early investor in What3Words.
To answer Moonrabbit's question, we cannot really know what a victorious Sunak Government would have done. What a good Conservative government would do would be to cut Government spending, particularly in terms of CS personnel - back to 2014 levels initially. There was no shortage of Government in 2014. Then move the economy forward with targeted tax cuts on business and innovation, planning reform, Labour market reform. And get cheap, secure domestically sourced energy as the overriding priority. Cheapest energy in Europe as an initial goal.
I'm not quite sure what counts under CS numbers, but there must presumably be some Brexit impact, at least in how people are counted. Some people brought back onshore who were on EU books, some duplication of things here, even if it's just rubber stamping EU approvals. I don't know how much it explains, but the money we used to send to the EU - we'll, some of it at least was our share of contributions to things that needed to be done and that we've now had to duplicate ourselves.
TLDR: Some headcount may be due to Brexit. It may also be that we were previously paying similar numbers of people, just indirectly via EU.
Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.
Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.
Sources close to Ms Haigh did not respond when approached about the allegation.
Funny that Rigby and Coates could not show this zeal in cases of Shapps multiple ID, Hunt forgetting to declare properties to HMRC, Badenochs website hacking, Sunak dodgy business deals with wife, Boris, well there is a massive book there.
They have got their pound of flesh, may be time to explore Kemis Web hacking
The only claim in their report that doesn't have multiple sources is that the phone was used to phone her mum shortly after it was reported stolen.
Multiplicity of [edit] multiple [immediate] sources means nothing if they are from the same [ultimate] original. E.g. Aviva employees all repeating the same rumour.
True but the claim about the metadata of the photo she submitted is highly credible and specific and sounds more like it comes from a police source.
I'd want to know if they were IT specialists. And whether the metadata referred to the original photo or later file copying.
Also - doesn't show *who* was doing the phoning. Coiulkd be a thief with a button on fast dial, for instance.
More data needed ...
There is an awful lot of creative Sky source related allegations being thrown about and bugger all actual coroboration.
It's not as if Rigby is squeaky clean either is it?
Haigh has made an error a decade ago. She's paid a heavy penalty now at a time when she was making a very positive impression.
Meanwhile partner beaters, tax evaders, ID impersonators and Web hackers are being totally ignored.
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Given Russian airstrikes enabled Assad to beat ISIS they should certainly ensure he bits these second rate by comparison rebels.
Assad will have to do some swift mass executions of rebel leaders and army defectors though to restore order
I have no idea where this is going to turn out. If the rebels 'win', will the dozens of disparate groups that make up the 'rebel alliance' be able to decide on a leader(s) without further bloodshed and infighting? And what about the Kurds, who do no seem to be involved with this attack, and who Erdogan hates?
It's not as if Rigby is squeaky clean either is it?
Haigh has made an error a decade ago. She's paid a heavy penalty now at a time when she was making a very positive impression.
Meanwhile partner beaters, tax evaders, ID impersonators and Web hackers are being totally ignored.
Ms Rigby loves her sources
All else would be secondhand, no?
Who do we believe in a post-truth age of easily fakeable footage?
"لا يوجد أي اشتباكات في دمشق أو أي حركة مريبة على الاطلاق. الروايات عن محاولة انقلابية غير صحيحة.
There are no clashes in Damascus or any suspicious movement at all. The stories about a coup attempt are not true."
https://x.com/MT77W/status/1862920334036328625
NEW: Syrian news site Sawt Al-Asima, which specialises on Damascus news, says there are no security incidents in Damascus and its countryside, and everything being circulated on social media about clashes between Syrian army units or security services is false.
The Syrians and Russians spent a lot of treasure a few years ago capturing many of the areas that the rebels have recaptured in a day. And AIUI some of the areas captured were never under 'rebel' control. If they found it that hard years ago, why would they find it easier now, in this chaos?
And as the Russians found out on the roads to Moscow last year, 'bombing' convoys can just lead to loss of aircraft.
Similarly we didn’t need to still be reliant on Uncle Sam. We made these choices.
Then they found illegal porn on one of the seized laptops. Except that it had actually been put there while the laptop was in police custody. And the timestamps crudely altered.
Can’t remember off hand if we or the rest of the west still have diplomatic relations.
OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
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Commander of Russian forces in Syria, Lieutenant General Sergey Kisel, has been fired.
My guess is there has perhaps been some sporadic gunfire from rebels in the city (because rebels clearly ARE on the march elsewhere in Syria) and they're trying to spook and roil the regime while Assad is away, by making it out to be much bigger
Assad does look imperilled, however
Masterchef it is
@Gerashchenko_en
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Syrian TV and Russian Telegram channels report that Bashar al-Assad returned to Syria. He allegedly went to Moscow where he waited for a meeting with Putin.
https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en
The result was not pretty. 40 US troops against 500 Syrian and Russians. The result? 65-200 Russians killed; no Americans injured.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham
1) we have police too incompetent to do a fit up
2) the Doctors Plot terrorist thing (Glasgow Airport etc). Aside from the idiosyncratic notion of finding 72 virgins in Glasgow, or inside Tiger Tiger in Piccadilly, London… we had employed in the NHS, doctors who believed that a car full of jerrycans of petrol and a couple of road flares would explode like a Jerry Bruckheimer movie effect… FFS one of them might have tried to treat a family member of mine.
I want competent bad guys. Simon Gruber would be nice. Polite, articulate and expert…
One also has to speculate about what the Israelis might be up to.
Something the Russians have not proved very good at. At all.
As I said it was Russian airstrikes in Syria which defeated ISIS not US strikes, US strikes on ISIS were focused on northern Iraq
Assad may still be in imminent trouble, even if Damascus is not falling tonight
"Pro-opposition sources in southern #Syria are circulating a statement demanding regime soldiers manning checkpoints withdraw, warning of an upcoming offensive."
https://x.com/michaelh992/status/1862932995339898909
BREAKING — Gunfire in sourthern Syrian city Daraa reported by the opposition media. Daraa is bordering Jordan.
If true, Syrian regime is falling apart
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Iraq has announced that its Border with Syria is now Closed.
Russian propaganda has them as being victorious in this. And yes, they did some of the work. But not, as you try to make out, enough to have caused the 'defeat' of ISIS (who are actually still in Syria, in small, relatively isolated pockets)
Most of Russian actions in Syria were not against ISIS, but against the anti-Assad forces. Which is why the battle mentioned above happened as they tried attacking Kurdish forces.
Russian airstrikes in Syria were in support of the Assad regime and made the difference to defeat ISIS in Syria as well as the FSA and other rebels.
If Russian strikes now continue against these new rebels their leaders will soon be dead or facing firing squads for treason
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Kurdistan_Region_relations
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#BREAKING: Unconfirmed reports about failure of the Coup d'état against #Assad led by Brigadier Hassam Louka in #Damascus. #Syrian Republican Guard (SRG) has now arrested most of the participants of the coup.
ISIS are not defeated. They are still there and they still have some hostages.
Celebrity Terrorist Shamima Begum is held in a camp in NE Syria in a Kurdish area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#U.S.-led_coalition_against_ISIL
And this:
"The battle—which was composed of a series of ground assaults—took place in and around the Syrian town of Al-Baghuz Fawqani in the Middle Euphrates River Valley near the Iraq–Syria border, and was the territorial last stand of the ISIS (IS) in eastern Syria."
"The SDF officially declared final victory over the ISIS in Baghuz Fawqani on 23 March, marking the end of IS-controlled territories in Syria."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghuz_Fawqani
TLDR: Some headcount may be due to Brexit. It may also be that we were previously paying similar numbers of people, just indirectly via EU.