May be, like Tennant, you “just wish [her] to shut up”?
Or dream of a world where you wake up and she “ doesn’t exist”?
(Snip)
The problem is that many anti-trans people don't want trans people to exist, deny they exist, and/or want to make it impossible for them to transition at any age.
Hence calling transmen "confused lesbians", or transwomen "men in skirts", and the attempts to stop trans people from using womens toilets.
That is definitely not Rowling's position. On her blog: "Again and again I’ve been told to ‘just meet some trans people.’ I have: in addition to a few younger people, who were all adorable, I happen to know a self-described transsexual woman who’s older than I am and wonderful. Although she’s open about her past as a gay man, I’ve always found it hard to think of her as anything other than a woman, and I believe (and certainly hope) she’s completely happy to have transitioned. Being older, though, she went through a long and rigorous process of evaluation, psychotherapy and staged transformation. The current explosion of trans activism is urging a removal of almost all the robust systems through which candidates for sex reassignment were once required to pass. A man who intends to have no surgery and take no hormones may now secure himself a Gender Recognition Certificate and be a woman in the sight of the law." That's the issue. The vast majority of people are not anti-trans. They are supportive or just not interested. The problem lies with the very small minority of trans activists who are trying to coerce the rest of us to not only accept self identification (fair enough) but use the law to enforce the right of Self ID trans to have access to women's spaces.
I'm supportive of animal rights but not animal rights activists. I'm supportive of protection of the environment and action on climate change, but not of the extreme activists. The activists do more harm than good to their cause. Including trans activists. And yes I know about the suffragettes. I don't think the extremists helped their cause.
She also routinely misgenders people. If she meant what she said above, she wouldn't. It strikes me as being like a racist who knows and likes one black person, and therefore thinks it excuses racism towards others. "Of course I'm not racist; an old friend of mine is black."
I'm unsure that "The vast majority of people are not anti-trans." It'd be interesting to see figures on that.
Congratulations to (not Nigerian born) Kemi Badenoch and to the Tory members for choosing the better of the two unpalatable offerings available. I also have some doubts about her being leader at the time of the next GE, but I'm sure she'll give it a good shot. Can she turn her focus away from owning the libz and onto the kind of issues that normal people care about? I suspect not but let's see.
from which the first link is taken, are essential reading on what kind of direction Kemi's Conservatives might take.
I'm an incredibly socially liberal, libertarian type, and still manage to find much to agree with in the above writings.
Rather than being part of the "PC gone mad" "common sense" anti-woke stuff Reform push, it's a much more comprehensive argument that society has become less liberal and tolerant as a result of ideological capture by left leaning bureaucracy - call it the blob, the nu10k, whatever. And that its view is more bureaucracy, more government, is always the solution, and that needs to be challenged.
Her argument seems to be more that the "bureaucratic class" is an assault on capitalism, rather than "woke ideology is destroying our children".
Cautiously optimistic that Kemi will surprise to the upside. With Starmer and Reeves pushing tax and spend, low growth, big government, on us all, we will need an effective opposition to challenge an ever encroaching state.
Thanks for the link, an interesting read although I was slightly triggered by the capitalisation of Malaise.
Thing is, I think this is superficially very appealing (and I say that as a fairly hard leftist). But my only experience of the reality of this is in teaching, where one of the main sources of bureaucracy comes in through trying to prevent kids being abused, either at home or in school. Whilst the form-filling is time consuming and creates unproductive roles for administrators, I still think that is a better world than one in which child molesters are allowed to be with kids unsupervised.
To rephrase, how to do you remove the bureaucracy whilst keeping protections in place? Or do you accept less protection eg more kids being abused? Or is there another solution?
I realise I've just picked one aspect of bureaucracy, but there is also a wider question - which bits of paperwork for eg planning are the important ones? That's quite a hard, value-laden question to answer (not to say it shouldn't be asked, though).
Re-reading your comment on planning
A friend had an old property that he didn’t need. He got the planning permission to turn it into 2 units and then gave it to a local charity for social housing.
The planning people made the charity redo all the expert reports - at a cost of thousands and a delay of months - because the LibDems on the council insisted that because they were addressed to my friend they were no longer valid and it wasn’t possible to assign the reports to the charity.
Is there a name for this council that actually allows councillors to get that close to the details?
It was in Hampshire
There is more to this story. Normally Councillors do not get involved in planning issues. A Councillor would have to "call it in". It seems unlikely in the extreme that a Councillor of any party would call in a planning issue to delay things and increase costs to a charity. It just doesn't ring true.
Personal animosity? I’ve met some councillors who make Edmund Dantes seem forgetful of slights. And over the most trivial things.
The Council Law Officer would intervene if it were blatant on a planning issue.
I'd say that's unlikely if it were not drawn to their attention.
Sussex grad Kemi Badenoch will also be the first university educated Conservative leader educated at a non Oxbridge university since Neville Chamberlain who went to Birmingham.
However Chamberlain went to Rugby, Badenoch state school. The only other state school and non Oxbridge educated Tory leaders were John Major and IDS
Congratulations to (not Nigerian born) Kemi Badenoch and to the Tory members for choosing the better of the two unpalatable offerings available. I also have some doubts about her being leader at the time of the next GE, but I'm sure she'll give it a good shot. Can she turn her focus away from owning the libz and onto the kind of issues that normal people care about? I suspect not but let's see.
from which the first link is taken, are essential reading on what kind of direction Kemi's Conservatives might take.
I'm an incredibly socially liberal, libertarian type, and still manage to find much to agree with in the above writings.
Rather than being part of the "PC gone mad" "common sense" anti-woke stuff Reform push, it's a much more comprehensive argument that society has become less liberal and tolerant as a result of ideological capture by left leaning bureaucracy - call it the blob, the nu10k, whatever. And that its view is more bureaucracy, more government, is always the solution, and that needs to be challenged.
Her argument seems to be more that the "bureaucratic class" is an assault on capitalism, rather than "woke ideology is destroying our children".
Cautiously optimistic that Kemi will surprise to the upside. With Starmer and Reeves pushing tax and spend, low growth, big government, on us all, we will need an effective opposition to challenge an ever encroaching state.
Thanks for the link, an interesting read although I was slightly triggered by the capitalisation of Malaise.
Thing is, I think this is superficially very appealing (and I say that as a fairly hard leftist). But my only experience of the reality of this is in teaching, where one of the main sources of bureaucracy comes in through trying to prevent kids being abused, either at home or in school. Whilst the form-filling is time consuming and creates unproductive roles for administrators, I still think that is a better world than one in which child molesters are allowed to be with kids unsupervised.
To rephrase, how to do you remove the bureaucracy whilst keeping protections in place? Or do you accept less protection eg more kids being abused? Or is there another solution?
I realise I've just picked one aspect of bureaucracy, but there is also a wider question - which bits of paperwork for eg planning are the important ones? That's quite a hard, value-laden question to answer (not to say it shouldn't be asked, though).
Re-reading your comment on planning
A friend had an old property that he didn’t need. He got the planning permission to turn it into 2 units and then gave it to a local charity for social housing.
The planning people made the charity redo all the expert reports - at a cost of thousands and a delay of months - because the LibDems on the council insisted that because they were addressed to my friend they were no longer valid and it wasn’t possible to assign the reports to the charity.
Is there a name for this council that actually allows councillors to get that close to the details?
It was in Hampshire
There is more to this story. Normally Councillors do not get involved in planning issues. A Councillor would have to "call it in". It seems unlikely in the extreme that a Councillor of any party would call in a planning issue to delay things and increase costs to a charity. It just doesn't ring true.
Personal animosity? I’ve met some councillors who make Edmund Dantes seem forgetful of slights. And over the most trivial things.
The Council Law Officer would intervene if it were blatant on a planning issue.
I wonder how prevalent it is that Monitoring Officer's intervene. In something like planning you'd have to assume it happens from time to time, as the costs are not trivial. But if a challenge is not looking likely, pragmatism might be to let things slide from case officers and legal support.
As to being unlikely a councillor might call things in to delay and increase costs to a charity, it sounds very plausible to me - if there was public animosity against the application in question they'd find a reason, the reason given need not match the real one. Everyone in planning will have seen 'deferrals' for information which are just delaying tactics for example.
It would, however, be an issue of poor procedure if at a late stage a councillor coudl stick their oar in so consequentially on an individual basis.
May be, like Tennant, you “just wish [her] to shut up”?
Or dream of a world where you wake up and she “ doesn’t exist”?
(Snip)
The problem is that many anti-trans people don't want trans people to exist, deny they exist, and/or want to make it impossible for them to transition at any age.
Hence calling transmen "confused lesbians", or transwomen "men in skirts", and the attempts to stop trans people from using womens toilets.
That is definitely not Rowling's position. On her blog: "Again and again I’ve been told to ‘just meet some trans people.’ I have: in addition to a few younger people, who were all adorable, I happen to know a self-described transsexual woman who’s older than I am and wonderful. Although she’s open about her past as a gay man, I’ve always found it hard to think of her as anything other than a woman, and I believe (and certainly hope) she’s completely happy to have transitioned. Being older, though, she went through a long and rigorous process of evaluation, psychotherapy and staged transformation. The current explosion of trans activism is urging a removal of almost all the robust systems through which candidates for sex reassignment were once required to pass. A man who intends to have no surgery and take no hormones may now secure himself a Gender Recognition Certificate and be a woman in the sight of the law." That's the issue. The vast majority of people are not anti-trans. They are supportive or just not interested. The problem lies with the very small minority of trans activists who are trying to coerce the rest of us to not only accept self identification (fair enough) but use the law to enforce the right of Self ID trans to have access to women's spaces.
I'm supportive of animal rights but not animal rights activists. I'm supportive of protection of the environment and action on climate change, but not of the extreme activists. The activists do more harm than good to their cause. Including trans activists. And yes I know about the suffragettes. I don't think the extremists helped their cause.
She also routinely misgenders people. If she meant what she said above, she wouldn't. It strikes me as being like a racist who knows and likes one black person, and therefore thinks it excuses racism towards others. "Of course I'm not racist; an old friend of mine is black."
I'm unsure that "The vast majority of people are not anti-trans." It'd be interesting to see figures on that.
An AI search:
According to a YouGov survey conducted in 2023, 25% of the British public have negative feelings towards the trans community. This is an increase from 16% in 2021. However, the survey also found that 39% of the public have a positive view of trans people, and 33–39% have a neutral view.
So 75% are not anti-trans.
Here are some other findings from surveys about trans rights in the UK:
Discrimination 64% of Britons believe transgender people face discrimination, and 49% believe it's a major or significant problem.
Support for gender-affirming measures 77% of Britons support protecting transgender people from discrimination in housing and employment, and 47% support allowing transgender teenagers to receive gender-affirming care.
Trans women in sports 61% of Britons are against trans women in women's sports.
Sussex grad Kemi Badenoch will also be the first university educated Conservative leader educated at a non Oxbridge university since Neville Chamberlain who went to Birmingham.
However Chamberlain went to Rugby, Badenoch state school. The only other state school and non Oxbridge educated Tory leaders were John Major and IDS
I think by far the most significant thing is that she spent her first 16 years in Nigeria.
'What do they know of England that only England know.'
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Kemi Badenoch: I almost died wading through flash floods with high heels on Business Secretary was travelling back from constituency when her car was suddenly surrounded by water
That is KB / Telegraph for "there was a flood across the road and we (Ed: self + Hamish) were driving too fast to stop before we drove into it". Roughly !
TBF it sounds as if the experience was a bit traumatic.
There’s some underpasses under a tube line, not far from me. When West London gets a freak rainstorm, if they fill up (drain failure) it looks really innocuous.
Until someone drives in and discovers their car is afloat, but sinking.
Can be 6-8 feet deep in the middle….
Yes .... but ... there's the whole thing about driving to the conditions and the basic principle of being able to stop in the distance you can see.
Though there are always grey edges,
True. Ish.
The ones I’m talking about, there’s video of people driving into them at about 10mph. The problem is, that even at that speed, they were in deep enough to lose traction before realising it wasn’t a puddle.
I’m paranoid. Which is why I got to watch someone drowning a golf buggy at Vaux-le-Vicomte…
Without wanting to dump on your 10mph-ers, driving into any piece of water without having a damn good idea how deep it is is an activity for fools or desperados.
In England driving through puddles is the norm not the exception.
The problem is when what you think is a puddle actually isn't but that's not always visible.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
I take no pleasure from the fact that in THE PLOT, written 2 years ago I predicted every single event which has taken place in the Conservative Party - including the events of today. I desperately wanted to be wrong.
Every. Single. Event.
No - she wanted Johnson back and is just a sad reminder of the bad days
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I take no pleasure from the fact that in THE PLOT, written 2 years ago I predicted every single event which has taken place in the Conservative Party - including the events of today. I desperately wanted to be wrong.
Every. Single. Event.
No - she wanted Johnson back and is just a sad reminder of the bad days
Congratulations to (not Nigerian born) Kemi Badenoch and to the Tory members for choosing the better of the two unpalatable offerings available. I also have some doubts about her being leader at the time of the next GE, but I'm sure she'll give it a good shot. Can she turn her focus away from owning the libz and onto the kind of issues that normal people care about? I suspect not but let's see.
from which the first link is taken, are essential reading on what kind of direction Kemi's Conservatives might take.
I'm an incredibly socially liberal, libertarian type, and still manage to find much to agree with in the above writings.
Rather than being part of the "PC gone mad" "common sense" anti-woke stuff Reform push, it's a much more comprehensive argument that society has become less liberal and tolerant as a result of ideological capture by left leaning bureaucracy - call it the blob, the nu10k, whatever. And that its view is more bureaucracy, more government, is always the solution, and that needs to be challenged.
Her argument seems to be more that the "bureaucratic class" is an assault on capitalism, rather than "woke ideology is destroying our children".
Cautiously optimistic that Kemi will surprise to the upside. With Starmer and Reeves pushing tax and spend, low growth, big government, on us all, we will need an effective opposition to challenge an ever encroaching state.
Thanks for the link, an interesting read although I was slightly triggered by the capitalisation of Malaise.
Thing is, I think this is superficially very appealing (and I say that as a fairly hard leftist). But my only experience of the reality of this is in teaching, where one of the main sources of bureaucracy comes in through trying to prevent kids being abused, either at home or in school. Whilst the form-filling is time consuming and creates unproductive roles for administrators, I still think that is a better world than one in which child molesters are allowed to be with kids unsupervised.
To rephrase, how to do you remove the bureaucracy whilst keeping protections in place? Or do you accept less protection eg more kids being abused? Or is there another solution?
I realise I've just picked one aspect of bureaucracy, but there is also a wider question - which bits of paperwork for eg planning are the important ones? That's quite a hard, value-laden question to answer (not to say it shouldn't be asked, though).
Re-reading your comment on planning
A friend had an old property that he didn’t need. He got the planning permission to turn it into 2 units and then gave it to a local charity for social housing.
The planning people made the charity redo all the expert reports - at a cost of thousands and a delay of months - because the LibDems on the council insisted that because they were addressed to my friend they were no longer valid and it wasn’t possible to assign the reports to the charity.
Is there a name for this council that actually allows councillors to get that close to the details?
It was in Hampshire
There is more to this story. Normally Councillors do not get involved in planning issues. A Councillor would have to "call it in". It seems unlikely in the extreme that a Councillor of any party would call in a planning issue to delay things and increase costs to a charity. It just doesn't ring true.
Personal animosity? I’ve met some councillors who make Edmund Dantes seem forgetful of slights. And over the most trivial things.
The Council Law Officer would intervene if it were blatant on a planning issue.
I wonder how prevalent it is that Monitoring Officer's intervene. In something like planning you'd have to assume it happens from time to time, as the costs are not trivial. But if a challenge is not looking likely, pragmatism might be to let things slide from case officers and legal support.
As to being unlikely a councillor might call things in to delay and increase costs to a charity, it sounds very plausible to me - if there was public animosity against the application in question they'd find a reason, the reason given need not match the real one. Everyone in planning will have seen 'deferrals' for information which are just delaying tactics for example.
It would, however, be an issue of poor procedure if at a late stage a councillor coudl stick their oar in so consequentially on an individual basis.
Not sure about this case but there can be copyright issues with these technical reports; if you rely on them to grant permission without the permission of the author.
May be, like Tennant, you “just wish [her] to shut up”?
Or dream of a world where you wake up and she “ doesn’t exist”?
(Snip)
The problem is that many anti-trans people don't want trans people to exist, deny they exist, and/or want to make it impossible for them to transition at any age.
Hence calling transmen "confused lesbians", or transwomen "men in skirts", and the attempts to stop trans people from using womens toilets.
That is definitely not Rowling's position. On her blog: "Again and again I’ve been told to ‘just meet some trans people.’ I have: in addition to a few younger people, who were all adorable, I happen to know a self-described transsexual woman who’s older than I am and wonderful. Although she’s open about her past as a gay man, I’ve always found it hard to think of her as anything other than a woman, and I believe (and certainly hope) she’s completely happy to have transitioned. Being older, though, she went through a long and rigorous process of evaluation, psychotherapy and staged transformation. The current explosion of trans activism is urging a removal of almost all the robust systems through which candidates for sex reassignment were once required to pass. A man who intends to have no surgery and take no hormones may now secure himself a Gender Recognition Certificate and be a woman in the sight of the law." That's the issue. The vast majority of people are not anti-trans. They are supportive or just not interested. The problem lies with the very small minority of trans activists who are trying to coerce the rest of us to not only accept self identification (fair enough) but use the law to enforce the right of Self ID trans to have access to women's spaces.
I'm supportive of animal rights but not animal rights activists. I'm supportive of protection of the environment and action on climate change, but not of the extreme activists. The activists do more harm than good to their cause. Including trans activists. And yes I know about the suffragettes. I don't think the extremists helped their cause.
She also routinely misgenders people. If she meant what she said above, she wouldn't. It strikes me as being like a racist who knows and likes one black person, and therefore thinks it excuses racism towards others. "Of course I'm not racist; an old friend of mine is black."
I'm unsure that "The vast majority of people are not anti-trans." It'd be interesting to see figures on that.
Even the tweet mocking David Tennant today is a low blow.
One of Tennant's children is, IIRC, trans / gender non-conforming.
To use an analogy people on here might understand, Leon didn't just get the banhammer for casual racism, it was because he offended to the core people whose partners and children are non-white, by implying their loved ones had less value than 'white babies'. And that felt like a visceral, personal attack.
To some of us, trans people aren't just strange concepts that only exist in theory, they are our friends, family and loved ones. And when people make comments that seek to erase their existence, as Rowling frequently does, e.g. with the casual misgendering, it wounds to the very core.
Rowling's transphobia is out there in the open for all to see.
I don't want to get involved in a long, drawn out debate on the trans issue. But I do want to stand up for, and speak up for, the people I love.
David Tennant wasn't some rich lefty engaging in virtue signalling. He was a father standing up for his child's right to exist.
Nobody should be made to feel less valid as a human being because of the colour of their skin, their sexuality, or their gender identity. Rowling, sadly, has a great deal of form with the latter.
I take no pleasure from the fact that in THE PLOT, written 2 years ago I predicted every single event which has taken place in the Conservative Party - including the events of today. I desperately wanted to be wrong.
Every. Single. Event.
No - she wanted Johnson back and is just a sad reminder of the bad days
He could have faced a recall, won/lost, and then stood in the GE, and potentially been a player again. The instant he quit the Commons then however sad people might have been at his ousting it was time to pick a new political hero for the future, not the past, as he either took himself out of it or is not planning on being back for ages.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
To give you an example of some of the process that bogs down the planning system. The highway engineers vetoed approval of a multi storey car park because they wanted to know where people would congregate in the event of a fire in the car park, they were concerned that having too many people waiting on the pavement could obstruct bus routes.
However if a fire alarm goes off in a car park people aren't likely to follow any guidance on meeting points, and secondly, even if this did happen, the people would be unlikely to spill out on to the road, and in any event, such an evacuation is likely to be a very infrequent event, once a year perhaps. The meeting point would also change over the lifetime of the development. Trying to manage this before the building is even built is a futile endeavour.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
I suspect @HYUFD is in deep morning at the result, as he sees the right defeated and prospect of his desire for Johnson or JRM to lead the party disappear
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not and never have been a core Labour voter.
If I were to be polled now I'd say "don't know".
We need a psephological category for people who voted like you in 2024. How about "Starmer's Strivers"?
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
HYUFD has long made it clear that as a Conservative liberal he actively doesn't want my vote.
He'd rather the Tories lose as a purely conservative party to 19th century Tory ideals than win by appealing to right wing liberals as the party has striven to do throughout the 20th and 21st centuries.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
I mean I’m slightly tipsy but stone cold sober compared to @HYUFD and the permadrunk @BlancheLivermore
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
HYUFD has long made it clear that as a Conservative liberal he actively doesn't want my vote.
He'd rather the Tories lose as a purely conservative party to 19th century Tory ideals than win by appealing to right wing liberals as the party has striven to do throughout the 20th and 21st centuries.
Despite having been a conservative voter since 1964 and with active involvement in GE's upto 2010, because I voted for Blair I am not a conservative in his eyes
It is a very sad view of politics, especially as I was involved years before he was even born
I am very pleased Kemi won and relieved as I dreaded Jenrick becoming leader
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
I suspect @HYUFD is in deep morning at the result, as he sees the right defeated and prospect of his desire for Johnson or JRM to lead the party disappear
I'd be surprised if KB doesn't end up being further right than any Tory PM of the last 14 years - yes, even Boris, who really wasn't that right wing in what he did...
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
HYUFD has long made it clear that as a Conservative liberal he actively doesn't want my vote.
He'd rather the Tories lose as a purely conservative party to 19th century Tory ideals than win by appealing to right wing liberals as the party has striven to do throughout the 20th and 21st centuries.
Despite having been a conservative voter since 1964 and with active involvement in GE's upto 2010, because I voted for Blair I am not a conservative in his eyes
It is a very sad view of politics, especially as I was involved years before he was even born
I am very pleased Kemi won and relieved as I dreaded Jenrick becoming leader
Indeed.
I am not very pleased Kemi won, merely relieved that Jenrick lost.
If I were still a party member I'd have voted Badenoch as the least worst option, not with any of the enthusiasm for which I voted Cameron in his leadership election.
But there's 4 years until the next election. Be good to see who the real Badenoch is now she's leader.
The Tories need to win back working people. Let's see what policies they come up with for that.
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
I think the labour party will have a similar fate to the last conservative government: a rapid collapse in support leading to existential problems. It is just tone deaf that they keep throwing out perks to public sector workers.
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
As I said yesterday - @KemiBadenoch is Labour’s nightmare. Tough, next generation, clear political position, smaller state, lower taxes. Labour - bigger state, higher taxes. A proper political divide and fascinating period ahead…
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
Just remember that, just as Labour found in July, a big chunk of those giving ‘Tory’ as their VI answer to the pollsters are really saying they don’t like whatever the government is currently doing. They aren’t really expressing any liking or support for the principal opposition party and probably won’t vote for it when the time comes. Hence why Labour underpolled its projected vote share last time around.
As I said yesterday - @KemiBadenoch is Labour’s nightmare. Tough, next generation, clear political position, smaller state, lower taxes. Labour - bigger state, higher taxes. A proper political divide and fascinating period ahead…
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
As I said yesterday - @KemiBadenoch is Labour’s nightmare. Tough, next generation, clear political position, smaller state, lower taxes. Labour - bigger state, higher taxes. A proper political divide and fascinating period ahead…
As I said yesterday - @KemiBadenoch is Labour’s nightmare. Tough, next generation, clear political position, smaller state, lower taxes. Labour - bigger state, higher taxes. A proper political divide and fascinating period ahead…
As I said yesterday - @KemiBadenoch is Labour’s nightmare. Tough, next generation, clear political position, smaller state, lower taxes. Labour - bigger state, higher taxes. A proper political divide and fascinating period ahead…
As I said yesterday - @KemiBadenoch is Labour’s nightmare. Tough, next generation, clear political position, smaller state, lower taxes. Labour - bigger state, higher taxes. A proper political divide and fascinating period ahead…
As I said yesterday - @KemiBadenoch is Labour’s nightmare. Tough, next generation, clear political position, smaller state, lower taxes. Labour - bigger state, higher taxes. A proper political divide and fascinating period ahead…
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
An enormous amount of often American far-rightists on X, as usual, this time characterising Badenoch's ascent as indicating the end of Britain.
It's almost enough to make me more sympathetic to her, although not quite.
Two or three of things have highlighted for me how backward the USA Right is socially in some respects. They just seem frightened of the future.
- This idea that having Kemi Badenoch as a party leader is in some way a 'problem'. - The whole thing about women asserting their own agency and voting their own opinions, without telling their husbands, being somehow like having an affair and a threat to their relationship. How dare they think for themselves ! - The reactions to the USN bringing out a new submarine designed for a crew which includes both men and women (USS New Jersey SSN 796) framing it as"Coed", disfunctional, a "problem", unnecessary, with no possible benefits. Plus commentary at the level of prep school humour in the 1970s, and a bland assumption that men and women will be unable to control themselves and act professionally.
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
As I said yesterday - @KemiBadenoch is Labour’s nightmare. Tough, next generation, clear political position, smaller state, lower taxes. Labour - bigger state, higher taxes. A proper political divide and fascinating period ahead…
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
We don't need his vote at the moment, we could form a government with won back Reform voters or in coalition with Reform even if Bart stayed voting Labour
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
We don't need his vote at the moment, we could form a government with won back Reform voters or in coalition with Reform even if Bart stayed voting Labour
You do not seem to understand moving to Farage and Reform loses you votes as well
Time for you to move on and fully back Kemi or join Reform
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
We don't need his vote at the moment, we could form a government with won back Reform voters or in coalition with Reform even if Bart stayed voting Labour
You really are a blue Corbynite.
Chase after Farage and his bunch of racists, nuts and loons and I won't be the only ex Tory voting Labour to keep you and him out of office.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
I suspect @HYUFD is in deep morning at the result, as he sees the right defeated and prospect of his desire for Johnson or JRM to lead the party disappear
For now, remember Badenoch beat Jenrick by slightly less than Truss beat Sunak.
If she fails Jenrich or Rees Mogg will be waiting in the wings to replace her as leader.
However Kemi has a mandate and I will support her as leader until the next general election as we need to get rid of this awful Labour government above all else
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
We don't need his vote at the moment, we could form a government with won back Reform voters or in coalition with Reform even if Bart stayed voting Labour
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
We don't need his vote at the moment, we could form a government with won back Reform voters or in coalition with Reform even if Bart stayed voting Labour
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
I suspect @HYUFD is in deep morning at the result, as he sees the right defeated and prospect of his desire for Johnson or JRM to lead the party disappear
I'd be surprised if KB doesn't end up being further right than any Tory PM of the last 14 years - yes, even Boris, who really wasn't that right wing in what he did...
Yes, Kemi is Thatcherite on economics, socially conservative and fiercely anti Woke and was a Leaver. She is just not an ultra hard ERG Brexiteer
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
HYUFD has long made it clear that as a Conservative liberal he actively doesn't want my vote.
He'd rather the Tories lose as a purely conservative party to 19th century Tory ideals than win by appealing to right wing liberals as the party has striven to do throughout the 20th and 21st centuries.
I know right wing liberals, you are no right wing liberal. A right wing liberal I could just about understand voting LD or for Blair in the noughties, no right wing liberal would have voted for Labour in July and Starmer and Reeves and their statist, high tax near socialist budget last week
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
I suspect @HYUFD is in deep morning at the result, as he sees the right defeated and prospect of his desire for Johnson or JRM to lead the party disappear
For now, remember Badenoch beat Jenrick by slightly less than Truss beat Sunak.
If she fails Jenrich or Rees Mogg will be waiting in the wings to replace her as leader.
However Kemi has a mandate and I will support her as leader until the next general election as we need to get rid of this awful Labour government above all else
An enormous amount of often American far-rightists on X, as usual, this time characterising Badenoch's ascent as indicating the end of Britain.
It's almost enough to make me more sympathetic to her, although not quite.
Two or three of things have highlighted for me how backward the USA Right is socially in some respects. They just seem frightened of the future.
- This idea that having Kemi Badenoch as a party leader is in some way a 'problem'. - The whole thing about women asserting their own agency and voting their own opinions, without telling their husbands, being somehow like having an affair and a threat to their relationship. How dare they think for themselves ! - The reactions to the USN bringing out a new submarine designed for a crew which includes both men and women (USS New Jersey SSN 796) framing it as"Coed", disfunctional, a "problem", unnecessary, with no possible benefits. Plus commentary at the level of prep school humour in the 1970s, and a bland assumption that men and women will be unable to control themselves and act professionally.
Example:https://youtu.be/vZT-sicMExw?t=95 This is 45s of promotional video at that point, then Captain Caveman (aka Matt Walsh) commenting on it. He is totally focused on "problem", not opportunity.
The Tories need to enter the next election as the clear challengers, which means defeating Reform first.
In what world do the Tories not enter the next election as clear challengers?
I fear that in your hurry to give the Tories what you think of as bad advice you have strayed into an absurdity.
Reform want to surpass the Tories. In 2024 they were only a few percentage points behind. It would take much if Badenoch tanks. And even if she doesn’t with only 120 seats in FPTP it is folly to ignored Reform.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
I suspect @HYUFD is in deep morning at the result, as he sees the right defeated and prospect of his desire for Johnson or JRM to lead the party disappear
I'd be surprised if KB doesn't end up being further right than any Tory PM of the last 14 years - yes, even Boris, who really wasn't that right wing in what he did...
Yes, Kemi is Thatcherite on economics, socially conservative and fiercely anti Woke and was a Leaver. She is just not an ultra hard ERG Brexiteer
I like her more having read that description.
"ubtra hard ERG Brexiteer" is irrelevant now, nearly five years after we left the EU, and won't be any more relevant come the next election.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
I suspect @HYUFD is in deep morning at the result, as he sees the right defeated and prospect of his desire for Johnson or JRM to lead the party disappear
I'd be surprised if KB doesn't end up being further right than any Tory PM of the last 14 years - yes, even Boris, who really wasn't that right wing in what he did...
Yes, Kemi is Thatcherite on economics, socially conservative and fiercely anti Woke and was a Leaver. She is just not an ultra hard ERG Brexiteer
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
I suspect @HYUFD is in deep morning at the result, as he sees the right defeated and prospect of his desire for Johnson or JRM to lead the party disappear
For now, remember Badenoch beat Jenrick by slightly less than Truss beat Sunak.
If she fails Jenrich or Rees Mogg will be waiting in the wings to replace her as leader.
However Kemi has a mandate and I will support her as leader until the next general election as we need to get rid of this awful Labour government above all else
If the right wing loon fails, replace her with an even bigger right wing loon.
May be, like Tennant, you “just wish [her] to shut up”?
Or dream of a world where you wake up and she “ doesn’t exist”?
(Snip)
The problem is that many anti-trans people don't want trans people to exist, deny they exist, and/or want to make it impossible for them to transition at any age.
Hence calling transmen "confused lesbians", or transwomen "men in skirts", and the attempts to stop trans people from using womens toilets.
That is definitely not Rowling's position. On her blog: "Again and again I’ve been told to ‘just meet some trans people.’ I have: in addition to a few younger people, who were all adorable, I happen to know a self-described transsexual woman who’s older than I am and wonderful. Although she’s open about her past as a gay man, I’ve always found it hard to think of her as anything other than a woman, and I believe (and certainly hope) she’s completely happy to have transitioned. Being older, though, she went through a long and rigorous process of evaluation, psychotherapy and staged transformation. The current explosion of trans activism is urging a removal of almost all the robust systems through which candidates for sex reassignment were once required to pass. A man who intends to have no surgery and take no hormones may now secure himself a Gender Recognition Certificate and be a woman in the sight of the law." That's the issue. The vast majority of people are not anti-trans. They are supportive or just not interested. The problem lies with the very small minority of trans activists who are trying to coerce the rest of us to not only accept self identification (fair enough) but use the law to enforce the right of Self ID trans to have access to women's spaces.
I'm supportive of animal rights but not animal rights activists. I'm supportive of protection of the environment and action on climate change, but not of the extreme activists. The activists do more harm than good to their cause. Including trans activists. And yes I know about the suffragettes. I don't think the extremists helped their cause.
She also routinely misgenders people. If she meant what she said above, she wouldn't. It strikes me as being like a racist who knows and likes one black person, and therefore thinks it excuses racism towards others. "Of course I'm not racist; an old friend of mine is black."
I'm unsure that "The vast majority of people are not anti-trans." It'd be interesting to see figures on that.
Even the tweet mocking David Tennant today is a low blow.
One of Tennant's children is, IIRC, trans / gender non-conforming.
To use an analogy people on here might understand, Leon didn't just get the banhammer for casual racism, it was because he offended to the core people whose partners and children are non-white, by implying their loved ones had less value than 'white babies'. And that felt like a visceral, personal attack.
To some of us, trans people aren't just strange concepts that only exist in theory, they are our friends, family and loved ones. And when people make comments that seek to erase their existence, as Rowling frequently does, e.g. with the casual misgendering, it wounds to the very core.
Rowling's transphobia is out there in the open for all to see.
I don't want to get involved in a long, drawn out debate on the trans issue. But I do want to stand up for, and speak up for, the people I love.
David Tennant wasn't some rich lefty engaging in virtue signalling. He was a father standing up for his child's right to exist.
Nobody should be made to feel less valid as a human being because of the colour of their skin, their sexuality, or their gender identity. Rowling, sadly, has a great deal of form with the latter.
But, his remark about Kemi Badenoch was disgraceful. He doesn’t get a pass.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
We don't need his vote at the moment, we could form a government with won back Reform voters or in coalition with Reform even if Bart stayed voting Labour
You really are a blue Corbynite.
Chase after Farage and his bunch of racists, nuts and loons and I won't be the only ex Tory voting Labour to keep you and him out of office.
38% voted Tory and Reform in July, 34% like you voted Labour
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
HYUFD has long made it clear that as a Conservative liberal he actively doesn't want my vote.
He'd rather the Tories lose as a purely conservative party to 19th century Tory ideals than win by appealing to right wing liberals as the party has striven to do throughout the 20th and 21st centuries.
I know right wing liberals, you are no right wing liberal. A right wing liberal I could just about understand voting LD or for Blair in the noughties, no right wing liberal would have voted for Labour in July and Starmer and Reeves and their statist, high tax near socialist budget last week
You are in the wrong party, and the best recruiting sergeant for Labour and the Lib Dems with your attitude to former conservative supporters who the party want back
The Tories need to enter the next election as the clear challengers, which means defeating Reform first.
In what world do the Tories not enter the next election as clear challengers?
I fear that in your hurry to give the Tories what you think of as bad advice you have strayed into an absurdity.
Reform want to surpass the Tories. In 2024 they were only a few percentage points behind. It would take much if Badenoch tanks. And even if she doesn’t with only 120 seats in FPTP it is folly to ignored Reform.
23.7 vs 14.3 is "only a few percentage points"?
And can you remind me of the current makeup of Reform's target seats?
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
I suspect @HYUFD is in deep morning at the result, as he sees the right defeated and prospect of his desire for Johnson or JRM to lead the party disappear
For now, remember Badenoch beat Jenrick by slightly less than Truss beat Sunak.
If she fails Jenrich or Rees Mogg will be waiting in the wings to replace her as leader.
However Kemi has a mandate and I will support her as leader until the next general election as we need to get rid of this awful Labour government above all else
If the right wing loon fails, replace her with an even bigger right wing loon.
Yes. That will work.
Corbyn got 40% of the vote in 2017, higher than Starmer, Brown or Ed Miliband or even Blair in 2005 got and a hung parliament by uniting the left behind him. Under FPTP or even PR not impossible a united right can win
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
Presumably Zarah thinks the culture of the American South is as equally valid as any other?
What about late 1930s German culture?
Another victim of British imperialism.
In fact, British Imperialists smashed German Kukture twice. After the first go in 1914-18, they tried again. And literally and deliberately annihilated huge chunks of German Kulture.
Including collaborating with the systematic elimination of Prussia and its Kulture.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
I suspect @HYUFD is in deep morning at the result, as he sees the right defeated and prospect of his desire for Johnson or JRM to lead the party disappear
I'd be surprised if KB doesn't end up being further right than any Tory PM of the last 14 years - yes, even Boris, who really wasn't that right wing in what he did...
Yes, Kemi is Thatcherite on economics, socially conservative and fiercely anti Woke and was a Leaver. She is just not an ultra hard ERG Brexiteer
I like her more having read that description.
"ubtra hard ERG Brexiteer" is irrelevant now, nearly five years after we left the EU, and won't be any more relevant come the next election.
It will never not be relevant to some, pro or con.
I think Badenoch will survive, she is the only Conservative leader this century to have won most votes from Tory MPs and Tory members other than Cameron and Johnson.
Given how awful and unpopular this Labour government already is she will also find it much easier to capitalise on that and gain poll leads than Hague did in 1997. I think she will at least keep 2024 Tories and hope Reform eats further into working class Labour votes without getting too close to her. However Jenrick would have been better to appeal to Reform voters, Tugendhat to LD voters and Cleverly to Labour voters so I don't expect to see a surge in Tory support in polls this month
Jenrick is perfectly at liberty to join Reform as are those who seem to think he is the bees knees
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
Don’t the Tories need to defeat Reform first to challenge Labour, much as Labour needed to defeat the SDP.
First past the post is cruel. ..
QTWAIN.
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
I’m not so sure. You’re obviously fishing in the same pool. I’m not sure the Lib Dena are a rich seam, they’ll be perfectly positioned next time to keep the buggers out.
Every ex Tory like myself who voted Labour or Lib Dem this year* is worth 2 ex Tory to Reform votes if won back.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
So you were one of the 33% at the GE, now down to 28% of core Labour voters given the Tories are now 1% ahead in the latest poll
I'm not really sure why you think making snide comments like this to someone whose vote your party needs is at all helpful to your cause?
HYUFD has long made it clear that as a Conservative liberal he actively doesn't want my vote.
He'd rather the Tories lose as a purely conservative party to 19th century Tory ideals than win by appealing to right wing liberals as the party has striven to do throughout the 20th and 21st centuries.
I know right wing liberals, you are no right wing liberal. A right wing liberal I could just about understand voting LD or for Blair in the noughties, no right wing liberal would have voted for Labour in July and Starmer and Reeves and their statist, high tax near socialist budget last week
I didn't vote for, and opposed, the tax rising budget last week.
Just as I opposed the tax rising budgets in the last few years by the Conservatives.
Unfortunately with your party preventing enough homes from being built, a policy you personally vehemently champion, Starmer's party was the least worst option this year.
You are just as anti business and high tax as Starmer. Until you stop supporting planning restrictions, the triple lock, blowing money on things like the winter fuel allowance etc there is no difference between them and you in being high tax.
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I'm unsure that "The vast majority of people are not anti-trans." It'd be interesting to see figures on that.
However Chamberlain went to Rugby, Badenoch state school. The only other state school and non Oxbridge educated Tory leaders were John Major and IDS
As to being unlikely a councillor might call things in to delay and increase costs to a charity, it sounds very plausible to me - if there was public animosity against the application in question they'd find a reason, the reason given need not match the real one. Everyone in planning will have seen 'deferrals' for information which are just delaying tactics for example.
It would, however, be an issue of poor procedure if at a late stage a councillor coudl stick their oar in so consequentially on an individual basis.
The concern then is that the latter inoculates enough of the electorate against concerns on the former.
There is a good long interview with Tom McTague here. Long on philosophy, light on actual policy.
https://unherd.com/watch-listen/kemi-badenoch-on-race-empire-and-roger-scruton/
According to a YouGov survey conducted in 2023, 25% of the British public have negative feelings towards the trans community. This is an increase from 16% in 2021. However, the survey also found that 39% of the public have a positive view of trans people, and 33–39% have a neutral view.
So 75% are not anti-trans.
Here are some other findings from surveys about trans rights in the UK:
Discrimination
64% of Britons believe transgender people face discrimination, and 49% believe it's a major or significant problem.
Support for gender-affirming measures
77% of Britons support protecting transgender people from discrimination in housing and employment, and 47% support allowing transgender teenagers to receive gender-affirming care.
Trans women in sports
61% of Britons are against trans women in women's sports.
'What do they know of England that only England know.'
The one thing is certain the polls would not have improved if Jenrick had won with his far right agenda
Forget Reform and concentrate on giving Kemi your full backing and watch how she takes on labour, that is where the next election is won or lost
The problem is when what you think is a puddle actually isn't but that's not always visible.
First past the post is cruel. ..
The Tories need to defeat Labour and the Lib Dems.
Labour losing its extremists to the Greens, Hamas Independents etc helped them win a landslide majority.
One of Tennant's children is, IIRC, trans / gender non-conforming.
To use an analogy people on here might understand, Leon didn't just get the banhammer for casual racism, it was because he offended to the core people whose partners and children are non-white, by implying their loved ones had less value than 'white babies'. And that felt like a visceral, personal attack.
To some of us, trans people aren't just strange concepts that only exist in theory, they are our friends, family and loved ones. And when people make comments that seek to erase their existence, as Rowling frequently does, e.g. with the casual misgendering, it wounds to the very core.
Rowling's transphobia is out there in the open for all to see.
I don't want to get involved in a long, drawn out debate on the trans issue. But I do want to stand up for, and speak up for, the people I love.
David Tennant wasn't some rich lefty engaging in virtue signalling. He was a father standing up for his child's right to exist.
Nobody should be made to feel less valid as a human being because of the colour of their skin, their sexuality, or their gender identity. Rowling, sadly, has a great deal of form with the latter.
* Personally I voted Lib Dem in the Council elections and Labour in the GE.
It's almost enough to make me more sympathetic to her, although not quite.
However if a fire alarm goes off in a car park people aren't likely to follow any guidance on meeting points, and secondly, even if this did happen, the people would be unlikely to spill out on to the road, and in any event, such an evacuation is likely to be a very infrequent event, once a year perhaps. The meeting point would also change over the lifetime of the development. Trying to manage this before the building is even built is a futile endeavour.
If I were to be polled now I'd say "don't know".
If she knocks it out of the park, that could become a theme
He'd rather the Tories lose as a purely conservative party to 19th century Tory ideals than win by appealing to right wing liberals as the party has striven to do throughout the 20th and 21st centuries.
"According to my most recent psych-evaluation, yes!"
I wonder what they'll be saying on Wednesday morning?
It is a very sad view of politics, especially as I was involved years before he was even born
I am very pleased Kemi won and relieved as I dreaded Jenrick becoming leader
Jeez.
How's she gonna cope when she meets a real Nazi?
Zarah Sultana MP
@zarahsultana
Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty & divisive figures in British politics.
From downplaying racism to Islamophobic remarks like "not all cultures are equally valid" & questioning why Sadiq Khan gets a “free pass” for being Muslim, her election marks a shift to the far-right.
https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1852730235671695401
I am not very pleased Kemi won, merely relieved that Jenrick lost.
If I were still a party member I'd have voted Badenoch as the least worst option, not with any of the enthusiasm for which I voted Cameron in his leadership election.
But there's 4 years until the next election. Be good to see who the real Badenoch is now she's leader.
The Tories need to win back working people. Let's see what policies they come up with for that.
@Sandpit 24 August 2017
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1702968/#Comment_1702968
She's mentioned before this on PB, but this is the first Go Kemi post I can find by a current poster
@David_Evershed had a big one just before (1 Aug)
"I am tipping KEMI BADENOCH, a new Conservative black woman MP as future cabinet material and maybe future PM material.
See her at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQaq-Z569UE
Degrees in engineering and law. Pro Brexit. Essx girl. What's not to like."
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1689519/#Comment_1689519
@kamalahmednews
As I said yesterday - @KemiBadenoch is Labour’s nightmare. Tough, next generation, clear political position, smaller state, lower taxes. Labour - bigger state, higher taxes. A proper political divide and fascinating period ahead…
https://x.com/kamalahmednews/status/1852674122012135646
This is why I hate identity politics so much.
There's fat to be cut from the system, it's just the shibboleths of the last Government that weren't tackled.
Kemi has certainly never had any NHS badge on her lapel, it is not a sacred cow for her
- This idea that having Kemi Badenoch as a party leader is in some way a 'problem'.
- The whole thing about women asserting their own agency and voting their own opinions, without telling their husbands, being somehow like having an affair and a threat to their relationship. How dare they think for themselves !
- The reactions to the USN bringing out a new submarine designed for a crew which includes both men and women (USS New Jersey SSN 796) framing it as"Coed", disfunctional, a "problem", unnecessary, with no possible benefits. Plus commentary at the level of prep school humour in the 1970s, and a bland assumption that men and women will be unable to control themselves and act professionally.
Example:https://youtu.be/vZT-sicMExw?t=95 This is 30s of promotional video at that point, then Captain Caveman commenting on it.
It was just the latest front opened in the WokeWars and it's totally collapsed.
Labour are better off without the Hamas supporters and other extremists polluting their party.
Sultana would fit in nicely with that bunch.
I fear that in your hurry to give the Tories what you think of as bad advice you have strayed into an absurdity.
*grabs tinfoil hat and takes cover*
Time for you to move on and fully back Kemi or join Reform
Chase after Farage and his bunch of racists, nuts and loons and I won't be the only ex Tory voting Labour to keep you and him out of office.
If she fails Jenrich or Rees Mogg will be waiting in the wings to replace her as leader.
However Kemi has a mandate and I will support her as leader until the next general election as we need to get rid of this awful Labour government above all else
You need to move on or go to Reform
Example:https://youtu.be/vZT-sicMExw?t=95 This is 45s of promotional video at that point, then Captain Caveman (aka Matt Walsh) commenting on it. He is totally focused on "problem", not opportunity.
"ubtra hard ERG Brexiteer" is irrelevant now, nearly five years after we left the EU, and won't be any more relevant come the next election.
Yes. That will work.
And can you remind me of the current makeup of Reform's target seats?
Including collaborating with the systematic elimination of Prussia and its Kulture.
Bastards, eh?
Just as I opposed the tax rising budgets in the last few years by the Conservatives.
Unfortunately with your party preventing enough homes from being built, a policy you personally vehemently champion, Starmer's party was the least worst option this year.
You are just as anti business and high tax as Starmer. Until you stop supporting planning restrictions, the triple lock, blowing money on things like the winter fuel allowance etc there is no difference between them and you in being high tax.