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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,462
    Leon said:

    Actually quite moving. This thing we’ve done for 3000 years with a minor break. And here we are doing it again, us humans. Athletics. In a stadium

    Running and jumping and throwing

    Did I mention I’m here for free? That only adds to the solemnity, to my mind

    Your description does not invoke NOOM. :)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    Women’s high jump final!!!!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    Nah. Fuck it. Just medals. I’m done. This is boring
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    GET ON WITH IT
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977
    edited August 5
    Leon said:

    Women’s high jump final!!!!

    Leon said:

    Nah. Fuck it. Just medals. I’m done. This is boring

    Leon said:

    GET ON WITH IT

    Life truly is an emotional rollercoaster.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455
    edited August 5
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    BBC:

    'Josh Kellett, 29, admitted violent disorder following the unrest in Sunderland on Friday.

    The court heard he was wearing a balaclava but was identified by his "distinctive tattoos".'

    Top tip: Wear a long sleeved shirt.

    I read that several defendants were in tears as they they were remanded in custody. In jail, awaiting a chunky sentence. Having felt invincible as they rioted.

    You do have to wonder just how dumb some people are.
    It's the same every time there's a riot. Probably a good thing showing some participants have remorse over their actions (or at least regret over getting punished, which is not as good but better than nothing). People are so easily caught up, there'll be a lot of teary 'This person was a model citizen(until now)' moments.
    I have no doubt that some people were in "the wrong place at the wrong time". Wondered what was going on and ended up in the thick of it.

    But most? Naah. If you are part of a large crowd doing a mob and rob operation, if you are filming people doing that, or cheering them, if you brought your kids to watch then you really have to expect to face the consequences of being part of a riot.

    And then we have the more active people. The ones actively smashing and burning and assaulting and terrifying. Where what happened (Roma kids taken into custody, or British Christian man commits atrocity) is just the excuse for what you want to do - terror, mayhem, destruction.

    The dude in the balaclava. Who even owns a balaclava, never mind sticks one on before heading out the door. Come on mate, what did you expect would happen?
    I've got one somewhere. I tend to use it when hillwalking in winter rather than when I am burning down shops though.
    Me too, for sailing in the Forth and islands as well as walking. Didn't have the urge to smash the windows on the Hawes Inn. Quite the reverse.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977
    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,470
    if Conservatism reduces itself to a conduit for irate old men in Wetherspoon’s, it will come close to political extinction.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/04/tories-clear-ideology-farage-hard-right-moral-electoral-ruin
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,676
    edited August 5
    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    BBC:

    'Josh Kellett, 29, admitted violent disorder following the unrest in Sunderland on Friday.

    The court heard he was wearing a balaclava but was identified by his "distinctive tattoos".'

    Top tip: Wear a long sleeved shirt.

    I read that several defendants were in tears as they they were remanded in custody. In jail, awaiting a chunky sentence. Having felt invincible as they rioted.

    You do have to wonder just how dumb some people are.
    It's the same every time there's a riot. Probably a good thing showing some participants have remorse over their actions (or at least regret over getting punished, which is not as good but better than nothing). People are so easily caught up, there'll be a lot of teary 'This person was a model citizen(until now)' moments.
    I have no doubt that some people were in "the wrong place at the wrong time". Wondered what was going on and ended up in the thick of it.

    But most? Naah. If you are part of a large crowd doing a mob and rob operation, if you are filming people doing that, or cheering them, if you brought your kids to watch then you really have to expect to face the consequences of being part of a riot.

    And then we have the more active people. The ones actively smashing and burning and assaulting and terrifying. Where what happened (Roma kids taken into custody, or British Christian man commits atrocity) is just the excuse for what you want to do - terror, mayhem, destruction.

    The dude in the balaclava. Who even owns a balaclava, never mind sticks one on before heading out the door. Come on mate, what did you expect would happen?
    I've got one somewhere. I tend to use it when hillwalking in winter rather than when I am burning down shops though.
    Me too, for sailing in the Forth and islands as well as walking. Didn't have the urge to smash the windows on the Hawes Inn. Quite the reverse.
    Let the Hawes Inn smash your windows?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Women’s high jump final!!!!

    Leon said:

    Nah. Fuck it. Just medals. I’m done. This is boring

    Leon said:

    GET ON WITH IT

    Life truly is an emotional rollercoaster.
    Ukrainian winner. Massive respect for the Ukrainian anthem

    FUCK PUTIN
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455
    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,601
    Leon said:

    GET ON WITH IT

    Don't forget Keely. 8.45 UK 9.45 Paris time
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,327
    Leon said:

    Oui, mon freres

    Les Jeux Olympique. And the stade de France for the athletisme

    Well, the gazette did ask. So I had to go



    Sometimes I wonder about my job. All the free luxury travel to amazing places. Is it worth it? Is that a good way to spend your declining years when you could be a mildly left wing lawyer in a rainy British provincial city?

    But then I think Yes. Do it. Someone has to: let it be YOU

    Women's 800m final tonight. Will you be there for that?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977
    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. An idea like this would never happen, but it is funny to think about.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687775/labour-plot-quiet-town-megacity-branded-joke-new-build-hell.html

    I like this bit

    Villagers say the plans are a 'joke' and have threatened to move away if it comes to fruition as it could turn the 'beautiful little village' - where locals rejoice to see deer and rabbits roaming around - into a town bigger than Cambridge
    .

    Look, the idea probably is a joke, but what kind of threat is 'if hundreds of thousands of people move here, I personally will leave'?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,676

    if Conservatism reduces itself to a conduit for irate old men in Wetherspoon’s, it will come close to political extinction.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/04/tories-clear-ideology-farage-hard-right-moral-electoral-ruin

    Oh look, well meaning advice from The Guardian.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,462
    edited August 5
    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    i don't *know*, but I think it is Tempsford, a village split by the A1 between Sandy and St Neots. And on one of my running routes.

    Ans also home to a tiny museum to the SOE operatives who flew out of RAF Tempsford during WW2.

    https://www.tempsfordmuseum.co.uk/

    Most famously, it is on one of my running routes. :)

    Edit: and *the* NOOM barn
    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/raf-tempsford-memorial-barn
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,643
    kinabalu said:

    Starmer. I think, has had the best start of any PM since Cameron.

    Cameron however quickly showed himself to be arrogant and entitled, whereas Starrmer is surprising on the upside, so far.

    He seens, to me, surprisingly wable to carry off a number of modes; serious, empathic, hopeful, or stern. The first signs for his premiership, I would say, look pretty hopeful.

    And his position is strong structurally with the new landscape forged by GE24. The Cons are squeezed by Reform on the Right and the LDs in the Centre. Labour otoh have no serious electoral threat to the Left and the LDs are all about encroaching yet further into Tory territory rather than taking seats from Labour.

    I make him around 1.7 to still be PM after the next GE. The big vulnerability is Growth. They've made that a massive deal but whether we get good growth or not is more to do with global macro factors, with events and random chance, than with anything that's in his power to do. So if he's unlucky on that the next election is losable.
    Given many people were talking about Boris Johnson's "decade in power" in the immediate aftermath of the 2019 election, I'd be wary of over confidence. The "black swan" event could blight this Government as it did the last.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Women’s high jump final!!!!

    Leon said:

    Nah. Fuck it. Just medals. I’m done. This is boring

    Leon said:

    GET ON WITH IT

    Life truly is an emotional rollercoaster.
    Ukrainian wo
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Oui, mon freres

    Les Jeux Olympique. And the stade de France for the athletisme

    Well, the gazette did ask. So I had to go



    Sometimes I wonder about my job. All the free luxury travel to amazing places. Is it worth it? Is that a good way to spend your declining years when you could be a mildly left wing lawyer in a rainy British provincial city?

    But then I think Yes. Do it. Someone has to: let it be YOU

    Women's 800m final tonight. Will you be there for that?
    If I can be arsed to stay. NO ALCOHOL
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    Nice to hear the Ukrainian national anthem.

    Masssive well done to Yaroslava Mahuchikh in the women’s high jump.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127
    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. Right on the intersection between the East Coast Main Line and the proposed Oxford-Cambridge line. Also as a Judge Dredd reader in my youth, I think a settlement of 350,000 isn't really deserving of the mega-city moniker.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    kle4 said:

    Ugh, ugh.

    England rugby's Twickenham home is to be renamed as the Allianz Stadium in a new sponsorship deal, say the Rugby Football Union.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cd9dd2xyx2ko

    The only people who will call it that are the pundits and commentators who are contractually required to. Like peopel referring to the Barclays Premier League back in the day.

    It's actually a good way to make money since you get the cash and no one will ever really call it what it is renamed.
    The RFU probably had no choice if they wanted the stadium redeveloped.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455
    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. An idea like this would never happen, but it is funny to think about.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687775/labour-plot-quiet-town-megacity-branded-joke-new-build-hell.html

    I like this bit

    Villagers say the plans are a 'joke' and have threatened to move away if it comes to fruition as it could turn the 'beautiful little village' - where locals rejoice to see deer and rabbits roaming around - into a town bigger than Cambridge
    .

    Look, the idea probably is a joke, but what kind of threat is 'if hundreds of thousands of people move here, I personally will leave'?
    Oh thanks. That's where they had the Special Operations Executive flights to drop off agents by Lysander etc (one of which is, or was, at nearby Old Warden). I see my dim memory it's between the A1 and ECML is correct. So no need to build new roads or railways.

    But cue resumption of the argument about fourway tracking and the Potters Bar viaduct ...
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,415

    There’s a lot of people getting remanded, as per 2011.

    Liverpool riots: First group of people involved in riots appear in court - with one swearing as he was taken away

    Hundreds of people have been arrested across the country. Here are the details of some of their court appearances today.

    https://news.sky.com/story/liverpool-riots-people-appear-in-court-the-youngest-just-14-and-the-oldest-a-69-year-old-who-turned-up-with-wooden-bat-13191287

    Has to be very severe sentencing this week to try and discourage next weekend's planned riots.
    That can't happen. The Mags can't issue anything beyond moderate, and where its a wider more complex crime they will need to refer it to Big Court who won't be able to hear cases yet.
    They can give up to 6 months though, right?

    So that's about right for harsh punishment of the minor "ignored the dispersal order", "tried to throw a punch", or "got carried away online" stuff - and it should also be enough to show which way the wind is blowing for the more serious ones (and the organisers!)

    And if many of those involved really were the "in the wrong place at the wrong time, and ended up doing something totally out of character" type of person, then even being lifted by the police and kept in custody for a few hours might be enough to deter them from ever coming close to acting that way again.

    So you'll be left with the hard core thugs, and the politically or racially-motived extremists. Hopefully a much smaller crowd, so easier for the police to deal with - and likely a lot less brave when they're standing in a group of two or three than they would be with a crowd of hundreds behind them.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,327
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Women’s high jump final!!!!

    Leon said:

    Nah. Fuck it. Just medals. I’m done. This is boring

    Leon said:

    GET ON WITH IT

    Life truly is an emotional rollercoaster.
    Ukrainian wo
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Oui, mon freres

    Les Jeux Olympique. And the stade de France for the athletisme

    Well, the gazette did ask. So I had to go



    Sometimes I wonder about my job. All the free luxury travel to amazing places. Is it worth it? Is that a good way to spend your declining years when you could be a mildly left wing lawyer in a rainy British provincial city?

    But then I think Yes. Do it. Someone has to: let it be YOU

    Women's 800m final tonight. Will you be there for that?
    If I can be arsed to stay. NO ALCOHOL
    In Paris?? Extraordinary. But you can't miss Keeley.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977

    kle4 said:

    Ugh, ugh.

    England rugby's Twickenham home is to be renamed as the Allianz Stadium in a new sponsorship deal, say the Rugby Football Union.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cd9dd2xyx2ko

    The only people who will call it that are the pundits and commentators who are contractually required to. Like peopel referring to the Barclays Premier League back in the day.

    It's actually a good way to make money since you get the cash and no one will ever really call it what it is renamed.
    The RFU probably had no choice if they wanted the stadium redeveloped.
    Naming rights are an easy and mostly painless way of getting more cash as these things go.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455
    DM_Andy said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. Right on the intersection between the East Coast Main Line and the proposed Oxford-Cambridge line. Also as a Judge Dredd reader in my youth, I think a settlement of 350,000 isn't really deserving of the mega-city moniker.
    Ah, the Ox-Cam line too? Even better. Thanks.

    And quite so re the chap with the bike.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,517
    edited August 5
    #New General Election Poll

    🔵 Harris 48% (+4)
    🔴 Trump 44%

    Last poll - 🔵 Harris +1


    Who is Too old for president

    🔴 Trump 51%
    🔵 Harris 12%

    Morning Consult


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1820505683734995435
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977
    edited August 5

    if Conservatism reduces itself to a conduit for irate old men in Wetherspoon’s, it will come close to political extinction.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/04/tories-clear-ideology-farage-hard-right-moral-electoral-ruin

    Oh look, well meaning advice from The Guardian.
    Sometimes outsiders are best placed to give advice. Not always, but sometimes. Do not many people say the Tories need to listen to or emulate Reform to win back votes*, and Reform are outsiders.

    *this is probably a more effective strategy.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,420
    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. An idea like this would never happen, but it is funny to think about.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687775/labour-plot-quiet-town-megacity-branded-joke-new-build-hell.html

    I like this bit

    Villagers say the plans are a 'joke' and have threatened to move away if it comes to fruition as it could turn the 'beautiful little village' - where locals rejoice to see deer and rabbits roaming around - into a town bigger than Cambridge
    .

    Look, the idea probably is a joke, but what kind of threat is 'if hundreds of thousands of people move here, I personally will leave'?
    Oh thanks. That's where they had the Special Operations Executive flights to drop off agents by Lysander etc (one of which is, or was, at nearby Old Warden). I see my dim memory it's between the A1 and ECML is correct. So no need to build new roads or railways.

    But cue resumption of the argument about fourway tracking and the Potters Bar viaduct ...
    350,000? No ambition

    Make it 35 million.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. An idea like this would never happen, but it is funny to think about.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687775/labour-plot-quiet-town-megacity-branded-joke-new-build-hell.html

    I like this bit

    Villagers say the plans are a 'joke' and have threatened to move away if it comes to fruition as it could turn the 'beautiful little village' - where locals rejoice to see deer and rabbits roaming around - into a town bigger than Cambridge
    .

    Look, the idea probably is a joke, but what kind of threat is 'if hundreds of thousands of people move here, I personally will leave'?
    Oh thanks. That's where they had the Special Operations Executive flights to drop off agents by Lysander etc (one of which is, or was, at nearby Old Warden). I see my dim memory it's between the A1 and ECML is correct. So no need to build new roads or railways.

    But cue resumption of the argument about fourway tracking and the Potters Bar viaduct ...
    350,000? No ambition

    Make it 35 million.
    A ribbon city all the way from the old swing bridge at Oxford to the banks of the Cam?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    The Canadian hammer thrower Ethan Katzberg is only 22, born 2002, despite him looking like a 1970s adult film actor.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,462
    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. An idea like this would never happen, but it is funny to think about.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687775/labour-plot-quiet-town-megacity-branded-joke-new-build-hell.html

    I like this bit

    Villagers say the plans are a 'joke' and have threatened to move away if it comes to fruition as it could turn the 'beautiful little village' - where locals rejoice to see deer and rabbits roaming around - into a town bigger than Cambridge
    .

    Look, the idea probably is a joke, but what kind of threat is 'if hundreds of thousands of people move here, I personally will leave'?
    We had similar when my town was announced back in the mid-1990s. We have two local villages: Bourn and Caxton. Caxton seem to get on with us fairly well, despite being nearer. But some in Bourn still run a hate campaign about our very existence. And sadly, one Bourn resident has connections with the London press.

    Tempsford is an odd place; split in two by the A1, with only a road overpass to the south and a chunky footbridge to connect the two halves. The old airfield is to the east, below an escarpment. Trapped between the A1 and the ECML, Tempsford isn't what anyone could call picturesque (nearby Blunham isn't bad, though).

    The road and (potential) rail links alone make it an interesting location for a new town. There might be far worse sites.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    Labour have appointed a fanatic to inject Wokery into the national curriculum - note the chilling way that educational standards ("quality") take second place to the ideology:

    "Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/feminist-academic-and-blair-critic-to-lead-review-of-curriculum-dw2x8lmct
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977

    #New General Election Poll

    🔵 Harris 48% (+4)
    🔴 Trump 44%

    Last poll - 🔵 Harris +1


    Who is Too old for president

    🔴 Trump 51%
    🔵 Harris 12%

    Morning Consult


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1820505683734995435

    On his own terms Trump is too old to be President. If that was the major reason Independents were unenthusiastic about Biden hopefully they will demonstrate that now.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,462
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. An idea like this would never happen, but it is funny to think about.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687775/labour-plot-quiet-town-megacity-branded-joke-new-build-hell.html

    I like this bit

    Villagers say the plans are a 'joke' and have threatened to move away if it comes to fruition as it could turn the 'beautiful little village' - where locals rejoice to see deer and rabbits roaming around - into a town bigger than Cambridge
    .

    Look, the idea probably is a joke, but what kind of threat is 'if hundreds of thousands of people move here, I personally will leave'?
    Oh thanks. That's where they had the Special Operations Executive flights to drop off agents by Lysander etc (one of which is, or was, at nearby Old Warden). I see my dim memory it's between the A1 and ECML is correct. So no need to build new roads or railways.

    But cue resumption of the argument about fourway tracking and the Potters Bar viaduct ...
    350,000? No ambition

    Make it 35 million.
    A ribbon city all the way from the old swing bridge at Oxford to the banks of the Cam?
    All on the land of ?Jesus? College. :)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455

    Labour have appointed a fanatic to inject Wokery into the national curriculum - note the chilling way that educational standards ("quality") take second place to the ideology:

    "Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/feminist-academic-and-blair-critic-to-lead-review-of-curriculum-dw2x8lmct

    That's just to keep you happilu occupied while the real change happens elsewhere.

    Vide TSE's artful deployment of the woke possessive.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,462
    Carnyx said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. Right on the intersection between the East Coast Main Line and the proposed Oxford-Cambridge line. Also as a Judge Dredd reader in my youth, I think a settlement of 350,000 isn't really deserving of the mega-city moniker.
    Ah, the Ox-Cam line too? Even better. Thanks.
    Yep,

    https://eastwestrail.co.uk/your-area/tempsford

    If Reeves doesn't swing the axe.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977

    Labour have appointed a fanatic to inject Wokery into the national curriculum - note the chilling way that educational standards ("quality") take second place to the ideology:

    "Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/feminist-academic-and-blair-critic-to-lead-review-of-curriculum-dw2x8lmct

    Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins

    A vague sentence that could mean nothing or anything, depending on what is decided.

    Social justice and neoliberal are as overused terms as some use woke - there may still be occasional legitimate use, but mostly they are buzzwords meaning nothing.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,272
    @Leon has chosen the wrong stadium.
    2 races, two GB world records in the Velodrome so far.
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 115
    Christ, the BBC Olympics coverage sucks.

    I just want to watch athletics for a few hours. Is that too much to ask for?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455

    Carnyx said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. Right on the intersection between the East Coast Main Line and the proposed Oxford-Cambridge line. Also as a Judge Dredd reader in my youth, I think a settlement of 350,000 isn't really deserving of the mega-city moniker.
    Ah, the Ox-Cam line too? Even better. Thanks.
    Yep,

    https://eastwestrail.co.uk/your-area/tempsford

    If Reeves doesn't swing the axe.
    OTOH she could enforce compulsory purchase with a margin TGV style to save a lot of money faffing around with the nimbies. Buying up Tempsford village would probably pay for itself ten times over - and she woiuldn't need to once the cannier locals wised up to what they were potentially sitting on.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,605

    Leon said:

    Starmer ia going to end up more hated than Boris and more reviled than Sunak and possibly more laughable than Truss

    All their initial instincts are wrong. They’ve already shown they have no ideas and those ideas they have are fucking contemptibly stupid. Starmer is an over promoted dork and reeves is probably worse

    There is certainly a risk of this. There is an underclass in the UK, spread across many towns and cities where they live in places long abandoned by wider society and the public's concern. No matter how hard they work - if they can find work - they can never get by and never escape.

    There is a specific immediate need to do something about these riots, but there is also a longer-term need to address the grinding poverty which is the backdrop for all of these places currently ablaze.

    Labour's challenge is not to shat the bed as spectacularly as the Tories did. You can't offer hope then deliver more failure. But if we get a few years in and there is no change and no hope, then I can see how Farage and even further to the right populists can clean up. Offering neo-fascist solutions to problems that nobody wants to address.

    I have no problem debating the whys and wherefores of migration. But if we want to significantly reduce it we will need a significant restructure of the economy to cover both the costs of labour and the huge investment needed into these places to pull them and the underclass out of grinding poverty. Farage et al offer crayon economics as to how they could fund such things, but in the real world it is much harder.

    Ultimately, the cost of action may be less than the cost of inaction. Tories endlessly say "how will we pay for x" even though we always find the higher cost of y when we say that x is unaffordable and suffer y as a direct consequence.
    Well at least Farage and co offer these places something. The mainstream politicians and parties haven’t. They now need to get their act together and do something to try to level up.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,500
    Carnyx said:

    Labour have appointed a fanatic to inject Wokery into the national curriculum - note the chilling way that educational standards ("quality") take second place to the ideology:

    "Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/feminist-academic-and-blair-critic-to-lead-review-of-curriculum-dw2x8lmct

    That's just to keep you happilu occupied while the real change happens elsewhere.

    Vide TSE's artful deployment of the woke possessive.
    TSE may be many things but he's quite sound. Working out if there's any land owned by institutions in the Oxford dump is the first step to a better future.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731

    #New General Election Poll

    🔵 Harris 48% (+4)
    🔴 Trump 44%

    Last poll - 🔵 Harris +1


    Who is Too old for president

    🔴 Trump 51%
    🔵 Harris 12%

    Morning Consult


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1820505683734995435

    Size isn't everything but over 11 000 in that poll.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,279
    dixiedean said:

    @Leon has chosen the wrong stadium.
    2 races, two GB world records in the Velodrome so far.

    Cycling's boring, though.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977

    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. An idea like this would never happen, but it is funny to think about.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687775/labour-plot-quiet-town-megacity-branded-joke-new-build-hell.html

    I like this bit

    Villagers say the plans are a 'joke' and have threatened to move away if it comes to fruition as it could turn the 'beautiful little village' - where locals rejoice to see deer and rabbits roaming around - into a town bigger than Cambridge
    .

    Look, the idea probably is a joke, but what kind of threat is 'if hundreds of thousands of people move here, I personally will leave'?
    We had similar when my town was announced back in the mid-1990s. We have two local villages: Bourn and Caxton. Caxton seem to get on with us fairly well, despite being nearer. But some in Bourn still run a hate campaign about our very existence. And sadly, one Bourn resident has connections with the London press.

    Tempsford is an odd place; split in two by the A1, with only a road overpass to the south and a chunky footbridge to connect the two halves. The old airfield is to the east, below an escarpment. Trapped between the A1 and the ECML, Tempsford isn't what anyone could call picturesque (nearby Blunham isn't bad, though).

    The road and (potential) rail links alone make it an interesting location for a new town. There might be far worse sites.
    I like the idea of New Towns in general, and in many ways they would be easier sells to the public at large, since most voters if not in the chosen locations will see (or believe) it means less of that hated development near them, so politically would be more palatable.

    Much simpler to tack on housing estates to existing towns and villages, than creating a new Swindon in a single place I imagine.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,500
    KnightOut said:

    Christ, the BBC Olympics coverage sucks.

    I just want to watch athletics for a few hours. Is that too much to ask for?

    No, and you're right it's very poor.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. An idea like this would never happen, but it is funny to think about.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687775/labour-plot-quiet-town-megacity-branded-joke-new-build-hell.html

    I like this bit

    Villagers say the plans are a 'joke' and have threatened to move away if it comes to fruition as it could turn the 'beautiful little village' - where locals rejoice to see deer and rabbits roaming around - into a town bigger than Cambridge
    .

    Look, the idea probably is a joke, but what kind of threat is 'if hundreds of thousands of people move here, I personally will leave'?
    Oh thanks. That's where they had the Special Operations Executive flights to drop off agents by Lysander etc (one of which is, or was, at nearby Old Warden). I see my dim memory it's between the A1 and ECML is correct. So no need to build new roads or railways.

    But cue resumption of the argument about fourway tracking and the Potters Bar viaduct ...
    350,000? No ambition

    Make it 35 million.
    A ribbon city all the way from the old swing bridge at Oxford to the banks of the Cam?
    All on the land of ?Jesus? College. :)
    The Oxford or Fenland one? Could be very interesting if so. A single major landowner to negotiate with ...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,272
    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    @Leon has chosen the wrong stadium.
    2 races, two GB world records in the Velodrome so far.

    Cycling's boring, though.
    Au contraire.
    The Velodrome is the best arena to watch any sport.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,462
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. Right on the intersection between the East Coast Main Line and the proposed Oxford-Cambridge line. Also as a Judge Dredd reader in my youth, I think a settlement of 350,000 isn't really deserving of the mega-city moniker.
    Ah, the Ox-Cam line too? Even better. Thanks.
    Yep,

    https://eastwestrail.co.uk/your-area/tempsford

    If Reeves doesn't swing the axe.
    OTOH she could enforce compulsory purchase with a margin TGV style to save a lot of money faffing around with the nimbies. Buying up Tempsford village would probably pay for itself ten times over - and she woiuldn't need to once the cannier locals wised up to what they were potentially sitting on.
    I have o inside info, so this is conjecture, but I bet all the farmland to the east of the A1 has already been optioned by the large building cos.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455
    Omnium said:

    Carnyx said:

    Labour have appointed a fanatic to inject Wokery into the national curriculum - note the chilling way that educational standards ("quality") take second place to the ideology:

    "Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/feminist-academic-and-blair-critic-to-lead-review-of-curriculum-dw2x8lmct

    That's just to keep you happilu occupied while the real change happens elsewhere.

    Vide TSE's artful deployment of the woke possessive.
    TSE may be many things but he's quite sound. Working out if there's any land owned by institutions in the Oxford dump is the first step to a better future.
    Oh, he is - I was referring to his earlier discussion of cunning punctuation to get his way.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,462
    edited August 5
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. An idea like this would never happen, but it is funny to think about.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687775/labour-plot-quiet-town-megacity-branded-joke-new-build-hell.html

    I like this bit

    Villagers say the plans are a 'joke' and have threatened to move away if it comes to fruition as it could turn the 'beautiful little village' - where locals rejoice to see deer and rabbits roaming around - into a town bigger than Cambridge
    .

    Look, the idea probably is a joke, but what kind of threat is 'if hundreds of thousands of people move here, I personally will leave'?
    Oh thanks. That's where they had the Special Operations Executive flights to drop off agents by Lysander etc (one of which is, or was, at nearby Old Warden). I see my dim memory it's between the A1 and ECML is correct. So no need to build new roads or railways.

    But cue resumption of the argument about fourway tracking and the Potters Bar viaduct ...
    350,000? No ambition

    Make it 35 million.
    A ribbon city all the way from the old swing bridge at Oxford to the banks of the Cam?
    All on the land of ?Jesus? College. :)
    The Oxford or Fenland one? Could be very interesting if so. A single major landowner to negotiate with ...
    I was told that until recently it was possible to walk between Cambridge and Oxford on land belonging to one Cambridge college. I think it was Jesus, but it might have been Trinity.

    Edit: I love this apparent FoI request:
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/land_owned_by_trinity_college

    It seems some Oxford colleges also claim the same.
  • EScrymgeourEScrymgeour Posts: 136
    KnightOut said:

    Christ, the BBC Olympics coverage sucks.

    I just want to watch athletics for a few hours. Is that too much to ask for?

    Red Button
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    dixiedean said:

    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    @Leon has chosen the wrong stadium.
    2 races, two GB world records in the Velodrome so far.

    Cycling's boring, though.
    Au contraire.
    The Velodrome is the best arena to watch any sport.
    When the commentators were bemoaning that the team only averaged 61kph over the last kilometer, and that wasn’t enough to challenge the Aussies and Brits…
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    kle4 said:

    Labour have appointed a fanatic to inject Wokery into the national curriculum - note the chilling way that educational standards ("quality") take second place to the ideology:

    "Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/feminist-academic-and-blair-critic-to-lead-review-of-curriculum-dw2x8lmct

    Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins

    A vague sentence that could mean nothing or anything, depending on what is decided.

    Social justice and neoliberal are as overused terms as some use woke - there may still be occasional legitimate use, but mostly they are buzzwords meaning nothing.
    Read the rest of it. Here's some more:

    She wrote: “This is amply illustrated by the proliferation of testing regimes, academic league tables and the regular high-profile publication of achievement statistics, from children’s earliest years through to GCSEs. Indeed, we would assert that achievement is not just an educational issue for the current government — it is the educational issue.”

    Francis appeared to be criticising Tony Blair, the prime minister at the time, who came up with the soundbite “education, education, education” as Labour swept to power. She suggests that he supported a “discursive social constructionist approach to race and ethnicity” and a “theorisation of sex, gender and sexuality as non-essential, fluid, contested, processual and produced through
    discourse”.

    There's no dressing it up; they really believe this stuff: for them, educating your children and ensuring their academic success comes a very distant second, if at all, to using education as a political tool to re-engineer society.

    And, they're serious about it.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 16,962
    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    FPT

    Having taken legal advice.

    Anybody who seeks to glorify, excuse/condone etc the current riots will be banned from PB.

    Anybody who posts locations of upcoming disorder will meet a similar fate.

    These are in the first of a series of steps we are taking to protect PB.

    I have my own views on this issue which I will wait until calm has been restored before posting.

    Suffice to say I'm entirely unimpressed, as I am unsurprised, by the equally unimaginative, sluggish, and autocratic response by Starmer.
    Very well put. My views entirely
    Can I ask what counts as "glorifying/condoning/excusing" the riots? Because I was accused of doing this yesterday, when I did nothing of the sort. When I asked for a quotation of where I did this, no-one could provide anything.

    - Is providing evidence of inconsistent policing between different groups "excusing" the riots?
    - Is discussing the contributors to ethnic tensions in the relevant towns "condoning" the riots?
    - Is discussing previous government amd media failures that have led to distrust in authorities "glorifying" the riots?
    I don't think you are glorifying, condoning or excusing. But no-one suffering these riots is interested is in your whataboutery. They just want the riots to be stopped and the perpetrators to be locked up.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,455

    kle4 said:

    Labour have appointed a fanatic to inject Wokery into the national curriculum - note the chilling way that educational standards ("quality") take second place to the ideology:

    "Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/feminist-academic-and-blair-critic-to-lead-review-of-curriculum-dw2x8lmct

    Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins

    A vague sentence that could mean nothing or anything, depending on what is decided.

    Social justice and neoliberal are as overused terms as some use woke - there may still be occasional legitimate use, but mostly they are buzzwords meaning nothing.
    Read the rest of it. Here's some more:

    She wrote: “This is amply illustrated by the proliferation of testing regimes, academic league tables and the regular high-profile publication of achievement statistics, from children’s earliest years through to GCSEs. Indeed, we would assert that achievement is not just an educational issue for the current government — it is the educational issue.”

    Francis appeared to be criticising Tony Blair, the prime minister at the time, who came up with the soundbite “education, education, education” as Labour swept to power. She suggests that he supported a “discursive social constructionist approach to race and ethnicity” and a “theorisation of sex, gender and sexuality as non-essential, fluid, contested, processual and produced through
    discourse”.

    There's no dressing it up; they really believe this stuff: for them, educating your children and ensuring their academic success comes a very distant second, if at all, to using education as a political tool to re-engineer society.

    And, they're serious about it.
    "using education as a political tool to re-engineer society"

    Where have you been the last 14 years, and more?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,601

    Carnyx said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. Right on the intersection between the East Coast Main Line and the proposed Oxford-Cambridge line. Also as a Judge Dredd reader in my youth, I think a settlement of 350,000 isn't really deserving of the mega-city moniker.
    Ah, the Ox-Cam line too? Even better. Thanks.
    Yep,

    https://eastwestrail.co.uk/your-area/tempsford

    If Reeves doesn't swing the axe.
    I would be ASTONISHED if that ever gets completed. I would be surprised if Bicester to Bletchley section reopens.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,605
    Looks like we have to change our plans for Saturday as it looks like there is a demo planned, according to the Mirror, and undoubtedly a counter demo.

    Insane. We were looking forward to a nice afternoon out and a good meal.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761

    "The [14 year old] was caught on CCTV footage with a firework in his hand but when arrested told officers: "I'm sorry, I wasn't firing them at you".

    The court heard he had no previous convictions and had never been in trouble with the police before.

    His lawyer, Iqbal Singh Kang..."

    Oh, the irony....

    I understand that Mr. Kang’s client is I M A Ned.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977
    edited August 5

    kle4 said:

    Labour have appointed a fanatic to inject Wokery into the national curriculum - note the chilling way that educational standards ("quality") take second place to the ideology:

    "Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/feminist-academic-and-blair-critic-to-lead-review-of-curriculum-dw2x8lmct

    Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins

    A vague sentence that could mean nothing or anything, depending on what is decided.

    Social justice and neoliberal are as overused terms as some use woke - there may still be occasional legitimate use, but mostly they are buzzwords meaning nothing.
    Read the rest of it. Here's some more:

    She wrote: “This is amply illustrated by the proliferation of testing regimes, academic league tables and the regular high-profile publication of achievement statistics, from children’s earliest years through to GCSEs. Indeed, we would assert that achievement is not just an educational issue for the current government — it is the educational issue.”

    Francis appeared to be criticising Tony Blair, the prime minister at the time, who came up with the soundbite “education, education, education” as Labour swept to power. She suggests that he supported a “discursive social constructionist approach to race and ethnicity” and a “theorisation of sex, gender and sexuality as non-essential, fluid, contested, processual and produced through
    discourse”.

    There's no dressing it up; they really believe this stuff: for them, educating your children and ensuring their academic success comes a very distant second, if at all, to using education as a political tool to re-engineer society.

    And, they're serious about it.
    I believe that person is serious. My point was the language used is deliberately flowery and jargony, very pompous in fact, which is often the case with ideologues, and can confuse what on earth is even being talked about. Though it is not as though governments are shy about revamping education regardless.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757

    Call me Mr Thicky but I can't get my head round Team Harris. Her name is Kamala just as Johnson's name was Boris.

    Don’t tell anybody but I am having a bit of a crisis.

    I misused an apostrophe at work and well everyone is having fun that the Grammar Nazi has been hoist by his own petard.

    I was like should be Harris’s or Harris’ and I’ve lost faith in myself and thought feck it, Team Harris will do.
    The irrefutable argument against VP Walz.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    edited August 5
    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour have appointed a fanatic to inject Wokery into the national curriculum - note the chilling way that educational standards ("quality") take second place to the ideology:

    "Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/feminist-academic-and-blair-critic-to-lead-review-of-curriculum-dw2x8lmct

    Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins

    A vague sentence that could mean nothing or anything, depending on what is decided.

    Social justice and neoliberal are as overused terms as some use woke - there may still be occasional legitimate use, but mostly they are buzzwords meaning nothing.
    Read the rest of it. Here's some more:

    She wrote: “This is amply illustrated by the proliferation of testing regimes, academic league tables and the regular high-profile publication of achievement statistics, from children’s earliest years through to GCSEs. Indeed, we would assert that achievement is not just an educational issue for the current government — it is the educational issue.”

    Francis appeared to be criticising Tony Blair, the prime minister at the time, who came up with the soundbite “education, education, education” as Labour swept to power. She suggests that he supported a “discursive social constructionist approach to race and ethnicity” and a “theorisation of sex, gender and sexuality as non-essential, fluid, contested, processual and produced through
    discourse”.

    There's no dressing it up; they really believe this stuff: for them, educating your children and ensuring their academic success comes a very distant second, if at all, to using education as a political tool to re-engineer society.

    And, they're serious about it.
    "using education as a political tool to re-engineer society"

    Where have you been the last 14 years, and more?
    Maybe it's worth waiting to see what they come up with before deciding that Bridgit Phillipson is turning our nippers into a new Red Guard to smash the Four Olds.

    Mind you, seeing what the little scallywags have been up to over the weekend they seem to have got started already.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,069
    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. An idea like this would never happen, but it is funny to think about.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687775/labour-plot-quiet-town-megacity-branded-joke-new-build-hell.html

    I like this bit

    Villagers say the plans are a 'joke' and have threatened to move away if it comes to fruition as it could turn the 'beautiful little village' - where locals rejoice to see deer and rabbits roaming around - into a town bigger than Cambridge
    .

    Look, the idea probably is a joke, but what kind of threat is 'if hundreds of thousands of people move here, I personally will leave'?
    IIRC the A1 runs through the middle of Tempsford.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,500

    KnightOut said:

    Christ, the BBC Olympics coverage sucks.

    I just want to watch athletics for a few hours. Is that too much to ask for?

    Red Button
    Alas it doesn't do what you might hope.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    Taz said:

    Looks like we have to change our plans for Saturday as it looks like there is a demo planned, according to the Mirror, and undoubtedly a counter demo.

    Insane. We were looking forward to a nice afternoon out and a good meal.

    Well don’t read the Mirror.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977
    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour have appointed a fanatic to inject Wokery into the national curriculum - note the chilling way that educational standards ("quality") take second place to the ideology:

    "Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/feminist-academic-and-blair-critic-to-lead-review-of-curriculum-dw2x8lmct

    Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins

    A vague sentence that could mean nothing or anything, depending on what is decided.

    Social justice and neoliberal are as overused terms as some use woke - there may still be occasional legitimate use, but mostly they are buzzwords meaning nothing.
    Read the rest of it. Here's some more:

    She wrote: “This is amply illustrated by the proliferation of testing regimes, academic league tables and the regular high-profile publication of achievement statistics, from children’s earliest years through to GCSEs. Indeed, we would assert that achievement is not just an educational issue for the current government — it is the educational issue.”

    Francis appeared to be criticising Tony Blair, the prime minister at the time, who came up with the soundbite “education, education, education” as Labour swept to power. She suggests that he supported a “discursive social constructionist approach to race and ethnicity” and a “theorisation of sex, gender and sexuality as non-essential, fluid, contested, processual and produced through
    discourse”.

    There's no dressing it up; they really believe this stuff: for them, educating your children and ensuring their academic success comes a very distant second, if at all, to using education as a political tool to re-engineer society.

    And, they're serious about it.
    "using education as a political tool to re-engineer society"

    Where have you been the last 14 years, and more?
    Maybe it's worth waiting to see what they come up with before deciding that Bridgit Phillopson is turning our nippers into a new Red Guard to smash the Four Olds.

    Mind you, seeing what the little scallywags have been up to over the weekend they seem to have got started already.
    I don't know much about the young people thesedays, but I spent some time with my nephew and one of his dad's biggest complaints was the way he automatically liked every video on TikTok he sees before it even plays, completely screwing the algorithm no doubt. But he says he does it because creators need the likes, so it comes from the heart.

    And that's the extent of my interaction with today's youth.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240

    kle4 said:

    Labour have appointed a fanatic to inject Wokery into the national curriculum - note the chilling way that educational standards ("quality") take second place to the ideology:

    "Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/feminist-academic-and-blair-critic-to-lead-review-of-curriculum-dw2x8lmct

    Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins

    A vague sentence that could mean nothing or anything, depending on what is decided.

    Social justice and neoliberal are as overused terms as some use woke - there may still be occasional legitimate use, but mostly they are buzzwords meaning nothing.
    Read the rest of it. Here's some more:

    She wrote: “This is amply illustrated by the proliferation of testing regimes, academic league tables and the regular high-profile publication of achievement statistics, from children’s earliest years through to GCSEs. Indeed, we would assert that achievement is not just an educational issue for the current government — it is the educational issue.”

    Francis appeared to be criticising Tony Blair, the prime minister at the time, who came up with the soundbite “education, education, education” as Labour swept to power. She suggests that he supported a “discursive social constructionist approach to race and ethnicity” and a “theorisation of sex, gender and sexuality as non-essential, fluid, contested, processual and produced through
    discourse”.

    There's no dressing it up; they really believe this stuff: for them, educating your children and ensuring their academic success comes a very distant second, if at all, to using education as a political tool to re-engineer society.

    And, they're serious about it.
    It is all much, much worse than we thought
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,605
    Tim Montgomerie is absolutely right here.

    https://x.com/montie/status/1820472955547127877?s=61
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,571
    KnightOut said:

    I still can't read the name 'Kamala' without thinking of the late wrestler.

    Weirdly his surname was also Harris. And despite being 'the Ugandan giant' was born in Mississippi.

    I always think of Kampala....
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,415

    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. An idea like this would never happen, but it is funny to think about.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687775/labour-plot-quiet-town-megacity-branded-joke-new-build-hell.html

    I like this bit

    Villagers say the plans are a 'joke' and have threatened to move away if it comes to fruition as it could turn the 'beautiful little village' - where locals rejoice to see deer and rabbits roaming around - into a town bigger than Cambridge
    .

    Look, the idea probably is a joke, but what kind of threat is 'if hundreds of thousands of people move here, I personally will leave'?
    We had similar when my town was announced back in the mid-1990s. We have two local villages: Bourn and Caxton. Caxton seem to get on with us fairly well, despite being nearer. But some in Bourn still run a hate campaign about our very existence. And sadly, one Bourn resident has connections with the London press.

    Tempsford is an odd place; split in two by the A1, with only a road overpass to the south and a chunky footbridge to connect the two halves. The old airfield is to the east, below an escarpment. Trapped between the A1 and the ECML, Tempsford isn't what anyone could call picturesque (nearby Blunham isn't bad, though).

    The road and (potential) rail links alone make it an interesting location for a new town. There might be far worse sites.
    It's a really obvious location - we discussed it on PB at the time of the Mid Beds by election last October (although it's in North Beds). The only drawback is that it's all flood plain, but that can be managed with appropriate design.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761
    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    BBC:

    'Josh Kellett, 29, admitted violent disorder following the unrest in Sunderland on Friday.

    The court heard he was wearing a balaclava but was identified by his "distinctive tattoos".'

    Top tip: Wear a long sleeved shirt.

    I read that several defendants were in tears as they they were remanded in custody. In jail, awaiting a chunky sentence. Having felt invincible as they rioted.

    You do have to wonder just how dumb some people are.
    It's the same every time there's a riot. Probably a good thing showing some participants have remorse over their actions (or at least regret over getting punished, which is not as good but better than nothing). People are so easily caught up, there'll be a lot of teary 'This person was a model citizen(until now)' moments.
    I have no doubt that some people were in "the wrong place at the wrong time". Wondered what was going on and ended up in the thick of it.

    But most? Naah. If you are part of a large crowd doing a mob and rob operation, if you are filming people doing that, or cheering them, if you brought your kids to watch then you really have to expect to face the consequences of being part of a riot.

    And then we have the more active people. The ones actively smashing and burning and assaulting and terrifying. Where what happened (Roma kids taken into custody, or British Christian man commits atrocity) is just the excuse for what you want to do - terror, mayhem, destruction.

    The dude in the balaclava. Who even owns a balaclava, never mind sticks one on before heading out the door. Come on mate, what did you expect would happen?
    I've got one somewhere. I tend to use it when hillwalking in winter rather than when I am burning down shops though.
    Me too, for sailing in the Forth and islands as well as walking. Didn't have the urge to smash the windows on the Hawes Inn. Quite the reverse.
    Quite right too! Getting smashed in the Hawes Inn is a much better idea.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,661
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour have appointed a fanatic to inject Wokery into the national curriculum - note the chilling way that educational standards ("quality") take second place to the ideology:

    "Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins.”

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/feminist-academic-and-blair-critic-to-lead-review-of-curriculum-dw2x8lmct

    Our intention is to help lever social justice concerns back into mainstream educational debates that have been dominated by the neo­liberal language of ‘quality’ — in which concerns with ‘equality’ have been evacuated and consigned to the margins

    A vague sentence that could mean nothing or anything, depending on what is decided.

    Social justice and neoliberal are as overused terms as some use woke - there may still be occasional legitimate use, but mostly they are buzzwords meaning nothing.
    Read the rest of it. Here's some more:

    She wrote: “This is amply illustrated by the proliferation of testing regimes, academic league tables and the regular high-profile publication of achievement statistics, from children’s earliest years through to GCSEs. Indeed, we would assert that achievement is not just an educational issue for the current government — it is the educational issue.”

    Francis appeared to be criticising Tony Blair, the prime minister at the time, who came up with the soundbite “education, education, education” as Labour swept to power. She suggests that he supported a “discursive social constructionist approach to race and ethnicity” and a “theorisation of sex, gender and sexuality as non-essential, fluid, contested, processual and produced through
    discourse”.

    There's no dressing it up; they really believe this stuff: for them, educating your children and ensuring their academic success comes a very distant second, if at all, to using education as a political tool to re-engineer society.

    And, they're serious about it.
    It is all much, much worse than we thought
    Not much room for teaching stuff or the pursuit of academic excellence.

    Good news for the burgeoning private tutoring sector, which is doing very well in Scotland, and which is behind pretty well all the kids from state schools who are getting places in the ancients (Edinburgh, St Andrew's etc).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    World records galore in the velodrome.
  • EScrymgeourEScrymgeour Posts: 136
    Omnium said:

    KnightOut said:

    Christ, the BBC Olympics coverage sucks.

    I just want to watch athletics for a few hours. Is that too much to ask for?

    Red Button
    Alas it doesn't do what you might hope.
    Steeplechase and High Jump on i player.
    With a name like you have, shirley the cycling is your thing.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    It’s quite boring. Think I preferred horse dancing in Greenwich
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,258

    #New General Election Poll

    🔵 Harris 48% (+4)
    🔴 Trump 44%

    Last poll - 🔵 Harris +1


    Who is Too old for president

    🔴 Trump 51%
    🔵 Harris 12%

    Morning Consult


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1820505683734995435

    Best to keep the lid on at this point but I don't think Donald Trump will come close to winning the election.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,089

    Leon said:

    Starmer ia going to end up more hated than Boris and more reviled than Sunak and possibly more laughable than Truss

    All their initial instincts are wrong. They’ve already shown they have no ideas and those ideas they have are fucking contemptibly stupid. Starmer is an over promoted dork and reeves is probably worse

    There is certainly a risk of this. There is an underclass in the UK, spread across many towns and cities where they live in places long abandoned by wider society and the public's concern. No matter how hard they work - if they can find work - they can never get by and never escape.

    There is a specific immediate need to do something about these riots, but there is also a longer-term need to address the grinding poverty which is the backdrop for all of these places currently ablaze.

    Labour's challenge is not to shat the bed as spectacularly as the Tories did. You can't offer hope then deliver more failure. But if we get a few years in and there is no change and no hope, then I can see how Farage and even further to the right populists can clean up. Offering neo-fascist solutions to problems that nobody wants to address.

    I have no problem debating the whys and wherefores of migration. But if we want to significantly reduce it we will need a significant restructure of the economy to cover both the costs of labour and the huge investment needed into these places to pull them and the underclass out of grinding poverty. Farage et al offer crayon economics as to how they could fund such things, but in the real world it is much harder.

    Ultimately, the cost of action may be less than the cost of inaction. Tories endlessly say "how will we pay for x" even though we always find the higher cost of y when we say that x is unaffordable and suffer y as a direct consequence.
    I am genuinely not sure this is a circle that can be squared. There are a whole series of contradictory and in some cases unsolvable issues that make it perhaps impossible.

    We have hundreds of thousands of vacancies and that is only likely to increase as we increase the need for public/private sector workers in specific areas such as social care.

    We have a small but significant core of British workers who are either incapable or unwilling of filling those positions and who are alienated from society and have no faith in politicians or the system.

    We therefore have the need for a steady flow of migrants to fill those positions and to allow the economy to grow.

    We also have a world that generates millions of genuine refugees in addition to millions more genuine economic migrants who simply want a better life for themselves.

    We have a tiny but vociferous group of extremists who see the opportunity to use these issues as an excuse for violence and a means of stirring up hatred.

    In addition we have a tiny but vocal group of radicalised citizens who, for religious reasons, are committed to a society that is seriously at odds with our own.

    Mainstream society abides by a set of conventions and beliefs (in democracy, freedom of expression and thought, restraint of state and police power and the right to peaceful protest) which are open to abuse by the extremists on both sides but which cannot be changed without changing society in a seriously deliterious way. This limits the actions of both the state and society to deal with these issues.

    The whole thing is stoked by external factors, both directed at us - as in the actions of Russia and other bad faith players in stirring up trouble - and undirected, such as the Arab-Israeli conflict. The British state and society have little or no control over these factors but they are capable of causing huge problems for us internally.

    I don't think any Government - no matter how competent, well funded or well meaning - can deal with all of these issues as some are beyond our control and the others are contradictory and not open to simple, or perhaps even complex, solutions.

    I believe the best that society and state can do here is manage and mitigate. It is a bleak perspective but sadly I think it is accurate.

    Given that we have "employment agencies" selling visas at huge prices to would be immigrants, has anyone actually checked if all of these unfilled jobs exist?
    Yep they exist. Just look at all the adverts for social care workers for example. Or restaurant and bar staff. Or a hundred other types of jobs.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,384
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    BBC:

    'Josh Kellett, 29, admitted violent disorder following the unrest in Sunderland on Friday.

    The court heard he was wearing a balaclava but was identified by his "distinctive tattoos".'

    Top tip: Wear a long sleeved shirt.

    I read that several defendants were in tears as they they were remanded in custody. In jail, awaiting a chunky sentence. Having felt invincible as they rioted.

    You do have to wonder just how dumb some people are.
    It's the same every time there's a riot. Probably a good thing showing some participants have remorse over their actions (or at least regret over getting punished, which is not as good but better than nothing). People are so easily caught up, there'll be a lot of teary 'This person was a model citizen(until now)' moments.
    I have no doubt that some people were in "the wrong place at the wrong time". Wondered what was going on and ended up in the thick of it.

    But most? Naah. If you are part of a large crowd doing a mob and rob operation, if you are filming people doing that, or cheering them, if you brought your kids to watch then you really have to expect to face the consequences of being part of a riot.

    And then we have the more active people. The ones actively smashing and burning and assaulting and terrifying. Where what happened (Roma kids taken into custody, or British Christian man commits atrocity) is just the excuse for what you want to do - terror, mayhem, destruction.

    The dude in the balaclava. Who even owns a balaclava, never mind sticks one on before heading out the door. Come on mate, what did you expect would happen?
    I've got one somewhere. I tend to use it when hillwalking in winter rather than when I am burning down shops though.
    My mum made me wear one when I was 8.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. Right on the intersection between the East Coast Main Line and the proposed Oxford-Cambridge line. Also as a Judge Dredd reader in my youth, I think a settlement of 350,000 isn't really deserving of the mega-city moniker.
    Ah, the Ox-Cam line too? Even better. Thanks.
    Yep,

    https://eastwestrail.co.uk/your-area/tempsford

    If Reeves doesn't swing the axe.
    OTOH she could enforce compulsory purchase with a margin TGV style to save a lot of money faffing around with the nimbies. Buying up Tempsford village would probably pay for itself ten times over - and she woiuldn't need to once the cannier locals wised up to what they were potentially sitting on.
    I have o inside info, so this is conjecture, but I bet all the farmland to the east of the A1 has already been optioned by the large building cos.
    They’ll be upset when their investments are compulsorily purchased at the going rate for agricultural land. What a shame!
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127
    Taz said:

    Tim Montgomerie is absolutely right here.

    https://x.com/montie/status/1820472955547127877?s=61

    Yes he is, unfortunately with no answers to solve the problem. We've pulled up the ladder, we've told people at the bottom that if they earn more money we'll take away their benefits, they can only have a university education if they incur a massive debt that most will never be able to pay off.

    When I was a kid I used to be told to stop doing my homework because my family needed the dining table for dinner. I was lucky compared to kids now that don't even have access to a dining table. Tim's 10%-15% have been cut off from the rest of society and people have told them that the reason they are poor is because of immigration so I don't blame them for being upset. I pin the blame entirely on the governments that have failed them and the actors that have manipulated them.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627

    #New General Election Poll

    🔵 Harris 48% (+4)
    🔴 Trump 44%

    Last poll - 🔵 Harris +1


    Who is Too old for president

    🔴 Trump 51%
    🔵 Harris 12%

    Morning Consult


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1820505683734995435

    Who are the 12%?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977
    ydoethur said:

    #New General Election Poll

    🔵 Harris 48% (+4)
    🔴 Trump 44%

    Last poll - 🔵 Harris +1


    Who is Too old for president

    🔴 Trump 51%
    🔵 Harris 12%

    Morning Consult


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1820505683734995435

    Who are the 12%?
    Gen Z radicals who think Harris is too mainstream?
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127
    ydoethur said:

    #New General Election Poll

    🔵 Harris 48% (+4)
    🔴 Trump 44%

    Last poll - 🔵 Harris +1


    Who is Too old for president

    🔴 Trump 51%
    🔵 Harris 12%

    Morning Consult


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1820505683734995435

    Who are the 12%?
    To be fair Kamala will be 60 if she becomes President, that would rank her 13th out of 46 for oldest people to start being President.

  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,369
    The Dutch, like us Brits, seem very good at sitting down sports. Maybe it’s cocking a snook at the Protestant work effort or something by doing lazy sports.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,860
    Off topic, but about a real election: Tomorrow is primary election day here in Washingon state, which means, for most of us voters, that we have to deposit our ballot in the mail, or a "drop box", by tomorrow, if we haven't already.

    Here are the high-level directions for King County (Seattle and most suburbs):
    https://kingcounty.gov/en/dept/elections

    Here are the candidates we have to choose from: https://info.kingcounty.gov/kcelections/Vote/contests/candidates.aspx?eid=44
    (The ballots vary depending on your area; for example, my ballot shows only the choice for the 1st congressional district.)

    One thing may require explanation: The candidates are not chosen by the parties, but can identify their parties, however they choose. So, for example, I can vote for Derek Chartrand, who "(Prefers Calm Rational GOP Party)". Or, in the governor's race, I can vote for Leon A Lawson, who "(Prefers Trump Republican Party)". (I assume Mr. Chartrand and Mr. Lawson have somewhat different views of the Loser.)

    I think almost all of you will be impressed by the diversity of candidates running for governor.

    It's a "top 2" primary, which means that the top 2 candidates, from whatever party, will go on to the general election. And yes, this sometimes results in two candidates belonging to the same party facing each other in the general election.

    Reminder: The states and DC set their own rules, so there are 51 separate election systems, which can vary considerably.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,228

    Oh my f**king God:

    https://x.com/BoLoudon/status/1820483205184557207/photo/1

    The descent of America, in one picture...

    Hey, at least it's an EV.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,722
    ydoethur said:

    #New General Election Poll

    🔵 Harris 48% (+4)
    🔴 Trump 44%

    Last poll - 🔵 Harris +1


    Who is Too old for president

    🔴 Trump 51%
    🔵 Harris 12%

    Morning Consult


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1820505683734995435

    Who are the 12%?
    Miserable scrote Republicans, determined to use their "Too old!!!!" talking points from when Biden was the candidate...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,228
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    BBC:

    'Josh Kellett, 29, admitted violent disorder following the unrest in Sunderland on Friday.

    The court heard he was wearing a balaclava but was identified by his "distinctive tattoos".'

    Top tip: Wear a long sleeved shirt.

    I read that several defendants were in tears as they they were remanded in custody. In jail, awaiting a chunky sentence. Having felt invincible as they rioted.

    You do have to wonder just how dumb some people are.
    It's the same every time there's a riot. Probably a good thing showing some participants have remorse over their actions (or at least regret over getting punished, which is not as good but better than nothing). People are so easily caught up, there'll be a lot of teary 'This person was a model citizen(until now)' moments.
    I have no doubt that some people were in "the wrong place at the wrong time". Wondered what was going on and ended up in the thick of it.

    But most? Naah. If you are part of a large crowd doing a mob and rob operation, if you are filming people doing that, or cheering them, if you brought your kids to watch then you really have to expect to face the consequences of being part of a riot.

    And then we have the more active people. The ones actively smashing and burning and assaulting and terrifying. Where what happened (Roma kids taken into custody, or British Christian man commits atrocity) is just the excuse for what you want to do - terror, mayhem, destruction.

    The dude in the balaclava. Who even owns a balaclava, never mind sticks one on before heading out the door. Come on mate, what did you expect would happen?
    I've got one somewhere. I tend to use it when hillwalking in winter rather than when I am burning down shops though.
    So what do you wear when you're burning down shops?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,695
    edited August 5
    I'm pretty sure that it's St John's Oxford that's supposed to own land joining Oxford and Cambridge

    Or maybe St John's Ox and Cam combined?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,369
    Looking at the wonderful futuristic velodrome they missed a trick by not introducing Olympic Rollerball.


  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,722
    DM_Andy said:

    ydoethur said:

    #New General Election Poll

    🔵 Harris 48% (+4)
    🔴 Trump 44%

    Last poll - 🔵 Harris +1


    Who is Too old for president

    🔴 Trump 51%
    🔵 Harris 12%

    Morning Consult


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1820505683734995435

    Who are the 12%?
    To be fair Kamala will be 60 if she becomes President, that would rank her 13th out of 46 for oldest people to start being President.

    To be fair, she really doesn't look that old.

    She must be black, as it don't crack...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,462

    Carnyx said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    The particular idea here may or may not be a decent one, and it is not going to happen, but this is the attitude needed to overcome the NIMBY default position.

    Where is this, please?
    Tempsford, Bedfordshire. Right on the intersection between the East Coast Main Line and the proposed Oxford-Cambridge line. Also as a Judge Dredd reader in my youth, I think a settlement of 350,000 isn't really deserving of the mega-city moniker.
    Ah, the Ox-Cam line too? Even better. Thanks.
    Yep,

    https://eastwestrail.co.uk/your-area/tempsford

    If Reeves doesn't swing the axe.
    I would be ASTONISHED if that ever gets completed. I would be surprised if Bicester to Bletchley section reopens.
    I live in hope (well, Cambourne)... and therefore I hope you are wrong. But fear you are right.

    This is the thing: I think Starmer and Reeves are going to build new towns without doing all the expensive stuff like communication links or even, stupidly for a *Labour* party, thinking of what makes a community. Because that costs money and annoys people.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,420
    Space comedy

    https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/08/nasa-likely-to-significantly-delay-the-launch-of-crew-9-due-to-starliner-issues/

    Boeing is screwing the pooch harder and harder....

    It now turns out they removed the automated undocking option from the Starliner software. And forgot to mention it to NASA.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,470
    DM_Andy said:

    ydoethur said:

    #New General Election Poll

    🔵 Harris 48% (+4)
    🔴 Trump 44%

    Last poll - 🔵 Harris +1


    Who is Too old for president

    🔴 Trump 51%
    🔵 Harris 12%

    Morning Consult


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1820505683734995435

    Who are the 12%?
    To be fair Kamala will be 60 if she becomes President, that would rank her 13th out of 46 for oldest people to start being President.

    The 12% want Buttigieg. Age 42.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977
    DM_Andy said:

    ydoethur said:

    #New General Election Poll

    🔵 Harris 48% (+4)
    🔴 Trump 44%

    Last poll - 🔵 Harris +1


    Who is Too old for president

    🔴 Trump 51%
    🔵 Harris 12%

    Morning Consult


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1820505683734995435

    Who are the 12%?
    To be fair Kamala will be 60 if she becomes President, that would rank her 13th out of 46 for oldest people to start being President.

    It's easy to forget because of the recent experience of Biden and Trump but the age of US Presidents has been remarkably steady, mostly in the 50s. You don't see the clear trends as with UK PMs, though it has been more fragmented since Reagan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States_by_age
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_age
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,369
    edited August 5
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    BBC:

    'Josh Kellett, 29, admitted violent disorder following the unrest in Sunderland on Friday.

    The court heard he was wearing a balaclava but was identified by his "distinctive tattoos".'

    Top tip: Wear a long sleeved shirt.

    I read that several defendants were in tears as they they were remanded in custody. In jail, awaiting a chunky sentence. Having felt invincible as they rioted.

    You do have to wonder just how dumb some people are.
    It's the same every time there's a riot. Probably a good thing showing some participants have remorse over their actions (or at least regret over getting punished, which is not as good but better than nothing). People are so easily caught up, there'll be a lot of teary 'This person was a model citizen(until now)' moments.
    I have no doubt that some people were in "the wrong place at the wrong time". Wondered what was going on and ended up in the thick of it.

    But most? Naah. If you are part of a large crowd doing a mob and rob operation, if you are filming people doing that, or cheering them, if you brought your kids to watch then you really have to expect to face the consequences of being part of a riot.

    And then we have the more active people. The ones actively smashing and burning and assaulting and terrifying. Where what happened (Roma kids taken into custody, or British Christian man commits atrocity) is just the excuse for what you want to do - terror, mayhem, destruction.

    The dude in the balaclava. Who even owns a balaclava, never mind sticks one on before heading out the door. Come on mate, what did you expect would happen?
    I've got one somewhere. I tend to use it when hillwalking in winter rather than when I am burning down shops though.
    So what do you wear when you're burning down shops?
    Looty Vuitton.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,462

    I'm pretty sure that it's St John's Oxford that's supposed to own land joining Oxford and Cambridge

    Or maybe St John's Ox and Cam combined?

    The bloke who told me worked for one of the Cambridge colleges. I can't remember which one: it was probably either Jesus or Trinity. Therefore I assume the version of the myth I was told was about Cambridge.

    It's probably the sort of myth that was true-ish three hundred years ago, but is not far from the truth.
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