Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.
I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.
It’s a fucking disgrace is what it is. The guardian doesn’t even mention the poor soldier. At all. Despite audio of his wife screaming in hellish agony as her husband is stabbed SEVENTY TIMES by an alleged terrorist who then licks the blood off his knife
The copper with the boot is story 4. The guardian is far far worse than the daily mail. Waaaaay more damaging to British society
Really ! Given some of the loathsome front pages from the DM over the years I think you’re talking tripe .
Go look at the guardian website now. Copper with boot major story. Poor stabbed soldier - invisible
"Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi as decidedly not a fan of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech today.
In a post on X, she described it as “by far the worst presentation of any foreign dignitary invited and honored with the privilege of addressing the Congress of the United States.""
Here’s the BBC U.K. News front page screenshot from 5 minutes ago -
(1) The homepage doesn't feature it. (2) Neither does the main news page in any prominence. But if you click on UK news it becomes the number (3) one story. (4) Strange.
1. It does.
2. Based on what you've said about 1) - wut? It does.
3. So... it's the no1. story for the UK? But not "the entire planet"? Is that... wrong?
4. It's really not. Especially when we have 5G to worry about.
You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
Nevertheless I expect Kamala to be bigged up on here over the next few months, and Trump support to be played down, because that’s what people want to happen.
The market, though, is one bitten twice shy.
Like the Roman emperor who had a slave whisper the words "momento mori" into his ear as he savoured his triumph, we need to whisper the words "Hilary Clinton" into the ears of the Kamala rampers.
Clinton was sane, competent, conscientious, had a track record of public service and was a normally decent person against Donald Trump who was none of those things. It counted for nothing. She lost.
Now I think Harris has some attributes that Clinton lacked in addition to all those good things.
Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.
I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.
It’s a fucking disgrace is what it is. The guardian doesn’t even mention the poor soldier. At all. Despite audio of his wife screaming in hellish agony as her husband is stabbed SEVENTY TIMES by an alleged terrorist who then licks the blood off his knife
The copper with the boot is story 4. The guardian is far far worse than the daily mail. Waaaaay more damaging to British society
If only more people read The Spectator they've be right on this travesty.
Wow. Labour whips said to domestic abuse survivor MP that if you don't vote with the government on the child benefit vote then her laws around domestic abuse will not be supported. https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1816152880199422133
Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.
I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.
It’s a fucking disgrace is what it is. The guardian doesn’t even mention the poor soldier. At all. Despite audio of his wife screaming in hellish agony as her husband is stabbed SEVENTY TIMES by an alleged terrorist who then licks the blood off his knife
The copper with the boot is story 4. The guardian is far far worse than the daily mail. Waaaaay more damaging to British society
Really ! Given some of the loathsome front pages from the DM over the years I think you’re talking tripe .
Go look at the guardian website now. Copper with boot major story. Poor stabbed soldier - invisible
The terror vs mental health distinction in reporting is quite strange.
We've elevated the importance of motive to such an extent that objectively terrifying events are downplayed if the perpetrator is judged to be just having an episode, as though it's one of those things that we just have to put up with.
Here’s the BBC U.K. News front page screenshot from 5 minutes ago -
(1) The homepage doesn't feature it. (2) Neither does the main news page in any prominence. But if you click on UK news it becomes the number (3) one story. (4) Strange.
1. It does.
2. Based on what you've said about 1) - wut? It does.
3. So... it's the no1. story for the UK? But not "the entire planet"? Is that... wrong?
4. It's really not. Especially when we have 5G to worry about.
Well I couldn't find it on the homepage. Perhaps if you scroll down far enough but it had no prominence at all. As for the overall news page, several UK stories were given greater prominence.
Here’s the BBC U.K. News front page screenshot from 5 minutes ago -
(1) The homepage doesn't feature it. (2) Neither does the main news page in any prominence. But if you click on UK news it becomes the number (3) one story. (4) Strange.
1. It does.
2. Based on what you've said about 1) - wut? It does.
3. So... it's the no1. story for the UK? But not "the entire planet"? Is that... wrong?
4. It's really not. Especially when we have 5G to worry about.
From here in France BBC.com news page features “head kicking copper” at ranking 4 in “world news”. No sign of “severely stabbed soldier” at all
So I scroll down to UK news - and the soldier isn’t there, either
The story is being suppressed in certain media. For reasons we can only guess at
You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
Nevertheless I expect Kamala to be bigged up on here over the next few months, and Trump support to be played down, because that’s what people want to happen.
The market, though, is one bitten twice shy.
Like the Roman emperor who had a slave whisper the words "momento mori" into his ear as he savoured his triumph, we need to whisper the words "Hilary Clinton" into the ears of the Kamala rampers.
Clinton was sane, competent, conscientious, had a track record of public service and was a normally decent person against Donald Trump who was none of those things. It counted for nothing. She lost.
Now I think Harris has some attributes that Clinton lacked in addition to all those good things.
Nevertheless. "Hilary Clinton"
Yes Harris still faces a real battle to win. Running up big totals in more liberal states will count for nothing if she can’t win those swing states .
She has though made a good start and at least brought some enthusiasm back to Dem voters .
Sophy Ridge @SophyRidgeSky SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:
James Cleverly Priti Patel Robert Jenrick Kemi Badenoch Tom Tugendhat Mel Stride Suella Braverman
Not exactly 5* recruits.
Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.
Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.
But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
I've told you many times Michael and Kemi have had a major falling out.
She isn't a Goveite plant.
I don't dispute that you've heard what you've heard, and if true, it would certainly jazz things up. It's about an affair, right?
But I also don't think a private spat would necessarily derail what is essentially a political project.
Michael Gove had a sexual relationship with a married friend of Kemi’s which ended the marriage.
It's remarkable he finds anyone willing to have a sexual relationship with him, tbh.
Hence ending up in Aberdonian disco's dad-dancing. Bless him, it's all he's got left to try. "I used to be an Education minister. Yes. The one who said that.".
You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
Nevertheless I expect Kamala to be bigged up on here over the next few months, and Trump support to be played down, because that’s what people want to happen.
The market, though, is one bitten twice shy.
Like the Roman emperor who had a slave whisper the words "momento mori" into his ear as he savoured his triumph, we need to whisper the words "Hilary Clinton" into the ears of the Kamala rampers.
Clinton was sane, competent, conscientious, had a track record of public service and was a normally decent person against Donald Trump who was none of those things. It counted for nothing. She lost.
Now I think Harris has some attributes that Clinton lacked in addition to all those good things.
Nevertheless. "Hilary Clinton"
"competent"? They didn't know the rules of the contest and went on holiday in the middle of it!
You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
Nevertheless I expect Kamala to be bigged up on here over the next few months, and Trump support to be played down, because that’s what people want to happen.
The market, though, is one bitten twice shy.
Like the Roman emperor who had a slave whisper the words "momento mori" into his ear as he savoured his triumph, we need to whisper the words "Hilary Clinton" into the ears of the Kamala rampers.
Clinton was sane, competent, conscientious, had a track record of public service and was a normally decent person against Donald Trump who was none of those things. It counted for nothing. She lost.
Now I think Harris has some attributes that Clinton lacked in addition to all those good things.
Nevertheless. "Hilary Clinton"
Hillary Clinton also had worse political instincts than Larry the Cat.
Which she displayed several times as FLOTUS, and in numerous instances afterward. Got elected US Senator because her successor, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, was briefly her political mentor and told her exactly what to do, and how to do it, to win statewide.
Apparently winning that race convinced HC that she was a political genius in her own right, and did NOT need competent advice.
Kamala Harris is a LONG way away from that kind of political malpractice.
HOWEVER, someone should still keep whispering into KH's ear . . . just to keep her on her toes . . . and on guard.
Here’s the BBC U.K. News front page screenshot from 5 minutes ago -
(1) The homepage doesn't feature it. (2) Neither does the main news page in any prominence. But if you click on UK news it becomes the number (3) one story. (4) Strange.
1. It does.
2. Based on what you've said about 1) - wut? It does.
3. So... it's the no1. story for the UK? But not "the entire planet"? Is that... wrong?
4. It's really not. Especially when we have 5G to worry about.
From here in France BBC.com news page features “head kicking copper” at ranking 4 in “world news”. No sign of “severely stabbed soldier” at all
So I scroll down to UK news - and the soldier isn’t there, either
The story is being suppressed in certain media. For reasons we can only guess at
The screenshot I posted earlier is the view the bbc website gives me of the news headlines. I've tried it from a UK IP address and a Dutch one with different browsers. Both show the same thing. So maybe it's only being suppressed for some people. For reasons we can only guess at.
I wonder if Harris might do a Starmer 2024, ie. winning lots of states by small margins, including ones the Republicans are expecting to carry at the moment.
Unlikely she will do better than Biden. The fact the Dems are competitive this election despite the massive inflation and interest rate rises over the last 4 years, speaks to the crapness of the modern GOP.
Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.
I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.
It’s a fucking disgrace is what it is. The guardian doesn’t even mention the poor soldier. At all. Despite audio of his wife screaming in hellish agony as her husband is stabbed SEVENTY TIMES by an alleged terrorist who then licks the blood off his knife
The copper with the boot is story 4. The guardian is far far worse than the daily mail. Waaaaay more damaging to British society
Really ! Given some of the loathsome front pages from the DM over the years I think you’re talking tripe .
Go look at the guardian website now. Copper with boot major story. Poor stabbed soldier - invisible
The terror vs mental health distinction in reporting is quite strange.
We've elevated the importance of motive to such an extent that objectively terrifying events are downplayed if the perpetrator is judged to be just having an episode, as though it's one of those things that we just have to put up with.
In this case it will decide if he spends the rest of his life in Belmarsh or Broadmoor.
Here’s the BBC U.K. News front page screenshot from 5 minutes ago -
(1) The homepage doesn't feature it. (2) Neither does the main news page in any prominence. But if you click on UK news it becomes the number (3) one story. (4) Strange.
1. It does.
2. Based on what you've said about 1) - wut? It does.
3. So... it's the no1. story for the UK? But not "the entire planet"? Is that... wrong?
4. It's really not. Especially when we have 5G to worry about.
Well I couldn't find it on the homepage. Perhaps if you scroll down far enough but it had no prominence at all. As for the overall news page, several UK stories were given greater prominence.
Multiple people have shown you screenshots of their BBC homepages with the story featuring prominently or first. I'm not sure why you're fighting to die on this hill.
Im aware that when it comes to the POTUS election the profile of posters here leans notably Democrat so I can understand the enthusiasm and in some sense elation that the Democrats have got Biden off the ticket, something you can see amongst Democrat supporters in the US too.
This wave of positivity however has one rather large obstruction looming and its one that I have seen barely a mention off on here. Its the economy. The official figures suggest the US is powering on but a lot of the Joe Averages simply don't feel that way. Across the voting blocs, thats the big issue, inflation, prices, the economy. Saying inflation 2% now fails to account for the large rises that have come through in the last two years.
Thats a major problem for the incumbent. Some sense of relief there, whether real or imagined, is vital.
You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
Nevertheless I expect Kamala to be bigged up on here over the next few months, and Trump support to be played down, because that’s what people want to happen.
The market, though, is one bitten twice shy.
Like the Roman emperor who had a slave whisper the words "momento mori" into his ear as he savoured his triumph, we need to whisper the words "Hilary Clinton" into the ears of the Kamala rampers.
Clinton was sane, competent, conscientious, had a track record of public service and was a normally decent person against Donald Trump who was none of those things. It counted for nothing. She lost.
Now I think Harris has some attributes that Clinton lacked in addition to all those good things.
Nevertheless. "Hilary Clinton"
"competent"? They didn't know the rules of the contest and went on holiday in the middle of it!
I mean she had various high powered jobs and did them. Unlike Trump. Clinton certainly didn't lose the election because she went on a holiday. In any case Trump is vastly lazier than she was. How many times was he on the golf course when he was supposed to be carrying out the basic function of his office, while Clinton literally put the miles in as Secretary of State.
Here’s the BBC U.K. News front page screenshot from 5 minutes ago -
(1) The homepage doesn't feature it. (2) Neither does the main news page in any prominence. But if you click on UK news it becomes the number (3) one story. (4) Strange.
1. It does.
2. Based on what you've said about 1) - wut? It does.
3. So... it's the no1. story for the UK? But not "the entire planet"? Is that... wrong?
4. It's really not. Especially when we have 5G to worry about.
Well I couldn't find it on the homepage. Perhaps if you scroll down far enough but it had no prominence at all. As for the overall news page, several UK stories were given greater prominence.
Multiple people have shown you screenshots of their BBC homepages with the story featuring prominently or first. I'm not sure why you're fighting to die on this hill.
Not 100% sure.
The screenshot was of UK news. We have established it was the number one story there. But not on the BBC Homepage or the overall News homepage. Happy now?
Sophy Ridge @SophyRidgeSky SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:
James Cleverly Priti Patel Robert Jenrick Kemi Badenoch Tom Tugendhat Mel Stride Suella Braverman
Not exactly 5* recruits.
Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.
Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.
But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
I've told you many times Michael and Kemi have had a major falling out.
She isn't a Goveite plant.
I’ve heard Kemi falls out with a lot of people.
One of the rumours I have heard is one of her ministers may do an Ann Widdecombe to her Michael Howard.
May even be about the Post Office scandal.
Saying there’s ‘something of the night’ about Kemi Badenoch could prove, um, controversial.
That was just such a cracking phrase. One which, when analysed, cannot really be logically explained. But one which had just about everyone nodding along. It summed up an overall impression. They are always best.
One of Dave’s better jokes was that quote was misinterpreted, Ann Widdecombe was praising Michael Howard
‘There’s something of the knight about him.’
It was of course a very effective phrase because it drew on culturally deeply embedded antisemitic imagery. Whether done intentionally or not (and I suspect intentionally, given her Catholicism), the power of the antisemitic trope is that it’s so woven into European psychology that people don’t notice it’s happening. They just “get” that of course there is something of the night about him.
Sounds like bollocks to me Tim.
I wasn't aware Michael Howard was Jewish but the 'something of the night' comment made sense to me - he just seemed to have an aura of menace.
As I said, that’s the power of antisemitic tropes. They are often subconscious. Certainly a lot of British Jewish commentators felt it at the time.
Is Christopher Lee Jewish? A rare stupid post from you. Michaerl howard didn't want it to be known he was Jewish until it suited him
Here’s the BBC U.K. News front page screenshot from 5 minutes ago -
(1) The homepage doesn't feature it. (2) Neither does the main news page in any prominence. But if you click on UK news it becomes the number (3) one story. (4) Strange.
1. It does.
2. Based on what you've said about 1) - wut? It does.
3. So... it's the no1. story for the UK? But not "the entire planet"? Is that... wrong?
4. It's really not. Especially when we have 5G to worry about.
Well I couldn't find it on the homepage. Perhaps if you scroll down far enough but it had no prominence at all. As for the overall news page, several UK stories were given greater prominence.
Multiple people have shown you screenshots of their BBC homepages with the story featuring prominently or first. I'm not sure why you're fighting to die on this hill.
Not 100% sure.
I’ve just told you the situation of the bbc news as seen from France. @FrankBooth is right. A more important story - stabbed soldier - is being suppressed in favour of a less important story - angry manc copper - which better fits the progressive news agenda of yer typical bbc news editor. This is not news. It happens constantly
You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
Nevertheless I expect Kamala to be bigged up on here over the next few months, and Trump support to be played down, because that’s what people want to happen.
The market, though, is one bitten twice shy.
Like the Roman emperor who had a slave whisper the words "momento mori" into his ear as he savoured his triumph, we need to whisper the words "Hilary Clinton" into the ears of the Kamala rampers.
Clinton was sane, competent, conscientious, had a track record of public service and was a normally decent person against Donald Trump who was none of those things. It counted for nothing. She lost.
Now I think Harris has some attributes that Clinton lacked in addition to all those good things.
Nevertheless. "Hilary Clinton"
Yes Harris still faces a real battle to win. Running up big totals in more liberal states will count for nothing if she can’t win those swing states .
She has though made a good start and at least brought some enthusiasm back to Dem voters .
I think Harris' advantage over Clinton is she's a tough debater from having been a prosecutor. She will be happy to take on Trump. He's not used to that.
Im aware that when it comes to the POTUS election the profile of posters here leans notably Democrat so I can understand the enthusiasm and in some sense elation that the Democrats have got Biden off the ticket, something you can see amongst Democrat supporters in the US too.
This wave of positivity however has one rather large obstruction looming and its one that I have seen barely a mention off on here. Its the economy. The official figures suggest the US is powering on but a lot of the Joe Averages simply don't feel that way. Across the voting blocs, thats the big issue, inflation, prices, the economy. Saying inflation 2% now fails to account for the large rises that have come through in the last two years.
Thats a major problem for the incumbent. Some sense of relief there, whether real or imagined, is vital.
Kamala Harris ain't the incumbent POTUS, however she's what you might call a functional incumbent, she's lashed to the mast of the SS Biden-Harris Administration.
And the US economy is probably the biggest issue working against her right now - and Trump being the biggest working in her favor.
I wonder if Harris might do a Starmer 2024, ie. winning lots of states by small margins, including ones the Republicans are expecting to carry at the moment.
More importantly, losing votes in California (but not enough that she has to worry about losing the state) but gaining them in middle America.
Well, that's broadly what happened at the midterms: the Democrat vote got more efficient because they lost share disproportionately in New York and California.
It's entirely possible it happens again in November.
Would laugh my ass off if Trump won the EV but lost the EC.
Sophy Ridge @SophyRidgeSky SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:
James Cleverly Priti Patel Robert Jenrick Kemi Badenoch Tom Tugendhat Mel Stride Suella Braverman
Not exactly 5* recruits.
Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.
Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.
But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
I've told you many times Michael and Kemi have had a major falling out.
She isn't a Goveite plant.
I don't dispute that you've heard what you've heard, and if true, it would certainly jazz things up. It's about an affair, right?
But I also don't think a private spat would necessarily derail what is essentially a political project.
Michael Gove had a sexual relationship with a married friend of Kemi’s which ended the marriage.
It's remarkable he finds anyone willing to have a sexual relationship with him, tbh.
Hence ending up in Aberdonian disco's dad-dancing. Bless him, it's all he's got left to try. "I used to be an Education minister. Yes. The one who said that.".
You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
Nevertheless I expect Kamala to be bigged up on here over the next few months, and Trump support to be played down, because that’s what people want to happen.
The market, though, is one bitten twice shy.
Like the Roman emperor who had a slave whisper the words "momento mori" into his ear as he savoured his triumph, we need to whisper the words "Hilary Clinton" into the ears of the Kamala rampers.
Clinton was sane, competent, conscientious, had a track record of public service and was a normally decent person against Donald Trump who was none of those things. It counted for nothing. She lost.
Now I think Harris has some attributes that Clinton lacked in addition to all those good things.
Nevertheless. "Hilary Clinton"
Yes Harris still faces a real battle to win. Running up big totals in more liberal states will count for nothing if she can’t win those swing states .
She has though made a good start and at least brought some enthusiasm back to Dem voters .
I think Harris' advantage over Clinton is she's a tough debater from having been a prosecutor. She will be happy to take on Trump. He's not used to that.
Yes I think Trump could suffer badly in a debate with Harris. She’s not Einstein but she’s sane and clever and quite personable
Imagine if you'd shown scenes like that to people just after 9/11 and told them that would be America's future 20 years later.
Imagine if you’d told Brits in 1994 that in 30 years time a British teacher would have to spend his whole life in hiding because he showed some kids a cartoon of “the prophet” - like we are back in the 14th century
The west has destroyed itself. I am in quiet despair at what we have done. There seems no obvious route out which is not extremely violent and apocalyptic
It may come as a surprise for some PBers, but flag burning was a BIG issue in the 1988 POTUS campaign. As it had been a thing - though hardly a popular thing - in USA since the Vietnam War.
Mike Dukakis blew his post-convention lead by discussing the subject from a legalistic perspective, as constitutionally-protected free speech. While George Bush the Elder spent the same period touring factories making flags, surrounded by the Stars and Stripes and proudly patriotic flag-makers.
Kamala Harris will make mistakes on the campaign trail . . . but NOT that kind of mistake.
Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.
I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.
It’s a fucking disgrace is what it is. The guardian doesn’t even mention the poor soldier. At all. Despite audio of his wife screaming in hellish agony as her husband is stabbed SEVENTY TIMES by an alleged terrorist who then licks the blood off his knife
The copper with the boot is story 4. The guardian is far far worse than the daily mail. Waaaaay more damaging to British society
If only more people read The Spectator they've be right on this travesty.
‘Our ramping up the alleged Islamist threat to the British way of life correspondent is currently away’
Ha. Media reports that Buttigieg is also among those officially being considered for the VO slot.
"Officially condsidered" and actually under consideration being TWO different things.
As we learned re: Marco Rubio who was on the VP shortlist announced by Trump campaign.
In his case, the constitutional limitation on Electors voting for more than ONE national ticket candidate clearly made him unavailable, unless Sen. Rubio was willing to move to some other state. REAL reason he was on list, was to appeal to Latino voters - hey, Trump gave one of us serious consideration.
Yeah, right. Or rather, wrong.
No such structural impediment for Buttigieg. However, not only has he NOT be lighting the woods on fire with a Sec. of Trans (!) but he's changed his home state similar to the way Hillary Clinton used to change her baseball caps.
Plus Harris needs another Biden administration insider as running mate, as much as she needs to adopt Hunter OR vouch for the former Secret Service chief.
IMHO the real reason why Buttigieg's name as suddenly popped up, is so Harris campaign can say to LGBT voters & donors - hey, Harris gave one of us serious consideration.
I didn't say he's any more likely to get it than any of the rest of them. Just helps my book. But I disagree with your assessment, FWIW.
There's no point of him endorsing now. Hell endorse in October when everyone is paying attention, and campaign fever reaches fever pitch. He will endorse.
Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.
I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.
It’s a fucking disgrace is what it is. The guardian doesn’t even mention the poor soldier. At all. Despite audio of his wife screaming in hellish agony as her husband is stabbed SEVENTY TIMES by an alleged terrorist who then licks the blood off his knife
The copper with the boot is story 4. The guardian is far far worse than the daily mail. Waaaaay more damaging to British society
Really ! Given some of the loathsome front pages from the DM over the years I think you’re talking tripe .
Go look at the guardian website now. Copper with boot major story. Poor stabbed soldier - invisible
Also currently true of the BBC.
Which might well be because it seems the original widespread assumptions about the story are possibly wrong, and they are waiting for an update.
Here’s the BBC U.K. News front page screenshot from 5 minutes ago -
(1) The homepage doesn't feature it. (2) Neither does the main news page in any prominence. But if you click on UK news it becomes the number (3) one story. (4) Strange.
1. It does.
2. Based on what you've said about 1) - wut? It does.
3. So... it's the no1. story for the UK? But not "the entire planet"? Is that... wrong?
4. It's really not. Especially when we have 5G to worry about.
Well I couldn't find it on the homepage. Perhaps if you scroll down far enough but it had no prominence at all. As for the overall news page, several UK stories were given greater prominence.
Multiple people have shown you screenshots of their BBC homepages with the story featuring prominently or first. I'm not sure why you're fighting to die on this hill.
Not 100% sure.
The screenshot was of UK news. We have established it was the number one story there. But not on the BBC Homepage or the overall News homepage. Happy now?
The thing is the soldier isn't dead (thankfully). He's in a serious but stable condition. And the police said it was a mad man not terror related. They might be wrong but that is what the BBC have to go with. Those are two reasons why it isn't reported as prominently as we might expect
Here’s the BBC U.K. News front page screenshot from 5 minutes ago -
(1) The homepage doesn't feature it. (2) Neither does the main news page in any prominence. But if you click on UK news it becomes the number (3) one story. (4) Strange.
1. It does.
2. Based on what you've said about 1) - wut? It does.
3. So... it's the no1. story for the UK? But not "the entire planet"? Is that... wrong?
4. It's really not. Especially when we have 5G to worry about.
Well I couldn't find it on the homepage. Perhaps if you scroll down far enough but it had no prominence at all. As for the overall news page, several UK stories were given greater prominence.
Multiple people have shown you screenshots of their BBC homepages with the story featuring prominently or first. I'm not sure why you're fighting to die on this hill.
Not 100% sure.
The screenshot was of UK news. We have established it was the number one story there. But not on the BBC Homepage or the overall News homepage. Happy now?
The thing is the soldier isn't dead (thankfully). He's in a serious but stable condition. And the police said it was a mad man not terror related. They might be wrong but that is what the BBC have to go with. Those are two reasons why it isn't reported as prominently as we might expect
According to some of the papers, stabbed "up to twelve times" (not seventy), so he's lucky to survive the attack - fingers crossed that continues to be the case.
I wonder if Harris might do a Starmer 2024, ie. winning lots of states by small margins, including ones the Republicans are expecting to carry at the moment.
More importantly, losing votes in California (but not enough that she has to worry about losing the state) but gaining them in middle America.
Well, that's broadly what happened at the midterms: the Democrat vote got more efficient because they lost share disproportionately in New York and California.
It's entirely possible it happens again in November.
Would laugh my ass off if Trump won the EV but lost the EC.
That's a bet I recommended about 18 months ago.
I can't find anywhere to bet on it though. I'd also like to bet on Harris getting 350 ECVs but again not available.
Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.
I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.
It’s a fucking disgrace is what it is. The guardian doesn’t even mention the poor soldier. At all. Despite audio of his wife screaming in hellish agony as her husband is stabbed SEVENTY TIMES by an alleged terrorist who then licks the blood off his knife
The copper with the boot is story 4. The guardian is far far worse than the daily mail. Waaaaay more damaging to British society
Really ! Given some of the loathsome front pages from the DM over the years I think you’re talking tripe .
Go look at the guardian website now. Copper with boot major story. Poor stabbed soldier - invisible
Also currently true of the BBC.
Which might well be because it seems the original widespread assumptions about the story are possibly wrong, and they are waiting for an update.
Has anyone found out whether they gave failed to order new copper coinage due to an order or a wink from the government, or just because of cash usage patterns?
I wonder if Harris might do a Starmer 2024, ie. winning lots of states by small margins, including ones the Republicans are expecting to carry at the moment.
More importantly, losing votes in California (but not enough that she has to worry about losing the state) but gaining them in middle America.
Well, that's broadly what happened at the midterms: the Democrat vote got more efficient because they lost share disproportionately in New York and California.
It's entirely possible it happens again in November.
Would laugh my ass off if Trump won the EV but lost the EC.
That's a bet I recommended about 18 months ago.
I can't find anywhere to bet on it though. I'd also like to bet on Harris getting 350 ECVs but again not available.
You can bet separately on the popular vote winner and the winner of the election, though.
I think number of ECVs might be available closer to November ?
"Kamala Harris' great-great-great-great grandfather was 'notorious' Irish slave owner who bought Jamaican plantation and travelled to London to fight abolition, historian claims"
"Kamala Harris' great-great-great-great grandfather was 'notorious' Irish slave owner who bought Jamaican plantation and travelled to London to fight abolition, historian claims"
What percentage of people today who are of African American (or African Caribbean) heritage, are also related to White slave owners? Who quite often had sexual relations with their property with or generally without consent.
Personally cannot give a number or percentage. Except to say that it's NOT a small percentage, more like a BIG number.
Wow. Labour whips said to domestic abuse survivor MP that if you don't vote with the government on the child benefit vote then her laws around domestic abuse will not be supported. https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1816152880199422133
Suspending the whip is fine, but bringing that up does Labour no favours at all. Can't see her going back after bringing that up publicly either.
In unimportant local news, we were out on a bike ride yesterday when we saw a biplane fly over, with a helicopter close behind. Apparently Tom Cruise was in the plane, filming Mission Impossible 8.
Democrat gaslighting award of the day goes to Chuck Schumer.
“From the grass roots, bottom up, we are here today to throw our support behind Vice-President Kamala Harris. [claps]. I’m clapping, you don’t have to”
No, Sen. Schumer, Harris was picked by the sitting President, and quickly endorsed by almost all of the Dem Senators, Governors, and Congressmen. Selected by the party elites, from the top down, without anything as democratic as a contest or any alternative point of view being allowed.
Democrat gaslighting award of the day goes to Chuck Schumer.
“From the grass roots, bottom up, we are here today to throw our support behind Vice-President Kamala Harris. [claps]. I’m clapping, you don’t have to”
No, Sen. Schumer, Harris was picked by the sitting President, and quickly endorsed by almost all of the Dem Senators, Governors, and Congressmen. Selected by the party elites, from the top down, without anything as democratic as a contest or any alternative point of view being allowed.
There seems no serious objection though, and makes for a much more united party.
She is going to push Trump very hard and might even win. A decisive win would be good for democracy, but unlikely.
Democrat gaslighting award of the day goes to Chuck Schumer.
“From the grass roots, bottom up, we are here today to throw our support behind Vice-President Kamala Harris. [claps]. I’m clapping, you don’t have to”
No, Sen. Schumer, Harris was picked by the sitting President, and quickly endorsed by almost all of the Dem Senators, Governors, and Congressmen. Selected by the party elites, from the top down, without anything as democratic as a contest or any alternative point of view being allowed.
If that's the worst thing you can find from Democrats you need to try harder.
Democrat gaslighting award of the day goes to Chuck Schumer.
“From the grass roots, bottom up, we are here today to throw our support behind Vice-President Kamala Harris. [claps]. I’m clapping, you don’t have to”
No, Sen. Schumer, Harris was picked by the sitting President, and quickly endorsed by almost all of the Dem Senators, Governors, and Congressmen. Selected by the party elites, from the top down, without anything as democratic as a contest or any alternative point of view being allowed.
There seems no serious objection though, and makes for a much more united party.
She is going to push Trump very hard and might even win. A decisive win would be good for democracy, but unlikely.
Oh very much so, the Dem party seems to be in a much better place than it was a week or two ago. That the elites of the party all agree on a candidate is good for themselves, if not for the grass-roots supporters who might have wanted a choice.
But a lot of donations that were withheld from Biden have now come in, over $100m of them, and this week’s polling has Harris doing better than Biden was in the past few weeks. Some of the VP picks mentioned, especially Mark Kelly and Josh Shapiro, would appeal to centrist swing voters who might otherwise consider supporting Trump.
The Trump campaign was obviously all geared up to fight Biden, so is going to have to take some time to regroup, and the media focus for the next few weeks with be on the Democrats building up to their Convention mid-August.
I think it could be pretty close between the candidates come November, but as usual it depends on what exactly happens in a handful of swing states. Harris will pile up votes in California and New York, but needs to win in Arizona and Georgia.
We'd need to know how it compares to the baseline of where we'd expect a competing democratic candidate to be at this stage, and how it also marries up to Trump.
I wonder if Harris might do a Starmer 2024, ie. winning lots of states by small margins, including ones the Republicans are expecting to carry at the moment.
More importantly, losing votes in California (but not enough that she has to worry about losing the state) but gaining them in middle America.
Well, that's broadly what happened at the midterms: the Democrat vote got more efficient because they lost share disproportionately in New York and California.
It's entirely possible it happens again in November.
Would laugh my ass off if Trump won the EV but lost the EC.
That's a bet I recommended about 18 months ago.
I can't find anywhere to bet on it though. I'd also like to bet on Harris getting 350 ECVs but again not available.
Trump will be given an easy ride and the viewers will award the win to him regardless of what he says .
True but she'll get unfiltered access to get her message to Fox News viewers who don't normally get it. She doesn't need the majority to like her, she just needs to chip away at Trump's margin a bit
We'd need to know how it compares to the baseline of where we'd expect a competing democratic candidate to be at this stage, and how it also marries up to Trump.
Otherwise it doesn't mean much.
The video I linked above has a CNN commentary of this week’s polling, that shows Harris ahead of where Biden was this year, but still some way behind where Biden was at the 2020 election.
Obviously the polling is going to take a couple of weeks to adjust, as these things always do, but it definitely looks like the Dems made the right decision to switch candidate. Harris is a very blank sheet of paper though, she’s been very quiet in the role of VP and most Americans really don’t know her. In contrast, there’s only around 3% who don’t have a view on her opponent.
Democrat gaslighting award of the day goes to Chuck Schumer.
“From the grass roots, bottom up, we are here today to throw our support behind Vice-President Kamala Harris. [claps]. I’m clapping, you don’t have to”
No, Sen. Schumer, Harris was picked by the sitting President, and quickly endorsed by almost all of the Dem Senators, Governors, and Congressmen. Selected by the party elites, from the top down, without anything as democratic as a contest or any alternative point of view being allowed.
There seems no serious objection though, and makes for a much more united party.
She is going to push Trump very hard and might even win. A decisive win would be good for democracy, but unlikely.
Schumer's comments have also to be seen in the context of his being among the party 'elites' who wanted to see some sort of mini primary. It might have happened had there been insufficient backing for Harris - but his group got overtaken by events (and he was among the last to endorse Harris).
Okay, before I run off and do work, one hilarious take on the events of the past couple of weeks from fast-paced comedian Andrew Schulz, and he’s not afraid to offend absolutely everyone.
Trump will be given an easy ride and the viewers will award the win to him regardless of what he says .
True but she'll get unfiltered access to get her message to Fox News viewers who don't normally get it. She doesn't need the majority to like her, she just needs to chip away at Trump's margin a bit
Buttigieg has fairly consistently shown that you can get you message across on Fox, if you're smarter than their no so bright presenters. Though admittedly a presidential debate is another level of pressure.
I posted the Daily Mail story not because I like it but in order to show how stupid it is.
A few minutes ago I was reading something about Chris Huhne on Wikipedia post a libel case and apparently Wikipedia has banned the use of the Daily Mail as a source of truth. Sounds bang on to me as I wouldn't trust anything the Mail said. Can anyone verify its exclusion on Wiki svp?
I posted the Daily Mail story not because I like it but in order to show how stupid it is.
A few minutes ago I was reading something about Chris Huhne on Wikipedia post a libel case and apparently Wikipedia has banned the use of the Daily Mail as a source of truth. Sounds bang on to me as I wouldn't trust anything the Mail said. Can anyone verify its exclusion on Wiki svp?
It’s never been permitted as a source for living people, because it’s not reliable enough in checking its stories and leaves itself open to libel suits. Usually the Mail isn’t targeted because it’s so powerful, but Wikipedia is more nervous.
But then only four papers - the most recent broadsheets, which weirdly still includes the Telegraph - are considered reliable for BLPs (as Wikipedia call them).
It should be OK to use the Mail for other articles.
You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
Nevertheless I expect Kamala to be bigged up on here over the next few months, and Trump support to be played down, because that’s what people want to happen.
The market, though, is one bitten twice shy.
Like the Roman emperor who had a slave whisper the words "momento mori" into his ear as he savoured his triumph, we need to whisper the words "Hilary Clinton" into the ears of the Kamala rampers.
Clinton was sane, competent, conscientious, had a track record of public service and was a normally decent person against Donald Trump who was none of those things. It counted for nothing. She lost.
Now I think Harris has some attributes that Clinton lacked in addition to all those good things.
Nevertheless. "Hilary Clinton"
"competent"? They didn't know the rules of the contest and went on holiday in the middle of it!
I mean she had various high powered jobs and did them. Unlike Trump. Clinton certainly didn't lose the election because she went on a holiday. In any case Trump is vastly lazier than she was. How many times was he on the golf course when he was supposed to be carrying out the basic function of his office, while Clinton literally put the miles in as Secretary of State.
Taking a holiday while trying to get elected to the presidency is just stupid. Especially when it was to stay with friends in the Hamptons.
There is a story that Bill Clinton, who was trying to advise her, ended up punching the upholstery in his car, after she’d left. So hard that you could see the car rocking, from a distance….
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/kent-soldier-stabbing-police
In a post on X, she described it as “by far the worst presentation of any foreign dignitary invited and honored with the privilege of addressing the Congress of the United States.""
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/07/24/congress/pelosi-bails-on-bibi-00170842
2. Based on what you've said about 1) - wut? It does.
3. So... it's the no1. story for the UK? But not "the entire planet"? Is that... wrong?
4. It's really not. Especially when we have 5G to worry about.
Clinton was sane, competent, conscientious, had a track record of public service and was a normally decent person against Donald Trump who was none of those things. It counted for nothing. She lost.
Now I think Harris has some attributes that Clinton lacked in addition to all those good things.
Nevertheless. "Hilary Clinton"
https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1816152880199422133
We've elevated the importance of motive to such an extent that objectively terrifying events are downplayed if the perpetrator is judged to be just having an episode, as though it's one of those things that we just have to put up with.
Which lasted for about, what, 45 minutes during first part of his GOP nomination acceptance speech.
So I scroll down to UK news - and the soldier isn’t there, either
The story is being suppressed in certain media. For reasons we can only guess at
She has though made a good start and at least brought some enthusiasm back to Dem voters .
Not the best chat-up line.
Which she displayed several times as FLOTUS, and in numerous instances afterward. Got elected US Senator because her successor, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, was briefly her political mentor and told her exactly what to do, and how to do it, to win statewide.
Apparently winning that race convinced HC that she was a political genius in her own right, and did NOT need competent advice.
Kamala Harris is a LONG way away from that kind of political malpractice.
HOWEVER, someone should still keep whispering into KH's ear . . . just to keep her on her toes . . . and on guard.
Not 100% sure.
This wave of positivity however has one rather large obstruction looming and its one that I have seen barely a mention off on here. Its the economy. The official figures suggest the US is powering on but a lot of the Joe Averages simply don't feel that way. Across the voting blocs, thats the big issue, inflation, prices, the economy. Saying inflation 2% now fails to account for the large rises that have come through in the last two years.
Thats a major problem for the incumbent. Some sense of relief there, whether real or imagined, is vital.
important story - stabbed soldier - is being suppressed in favour of a less important story - angry manc copper - which better fits the progressive news agenda of yer typical bbc news editor. This is not news. It happens constantly
And the US economy is probably the biggest issue working against her right now - and Trump being the biggest working in her favor.
“Leftist protesters in DC chant “Allahu Akbar!” as they burn an American flag”
https://x.com/theblaze/status/1816196513032233035?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
https://nypost.com/2024/07/24/us-news/obama-doesnt-believe-kamala-harris-can-beat-trump-sources/
The west has destroyed itself. I am in quiet despair
at what we have done. There seems no obvious route out which is not extremely violent and apocalyptic
Mike Dukakis blew his post-convention lead by discussing the subject from a legalistic perspective, as constitutionally-protected free speech. While George Bush the Elder spent the same period touring factories making flags, surrounded by the Stars and Stripes and proudly patriotic flag-makers.
Kamala Harris will make mistakes on the campaign trail . . . but NOT that kind of mistake.
But I disagree with your assessment, FWIW.
"Soldier stabbed in 'frenzy' and no plans for new 1p or 2p coins"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxe21rpp0vjo
Which might well be because it seems the original widespread assumptions about the story are possibly wrong, and they are waiting for an update.
See also the print headlines
The Daily Mail leads with a story about copper coinage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxe21rpp0vjo
Are they dripping poison too ?
Or are you ?
As, for example, here.
And the most shameless columnist award goes to … Jason Riley of the Wall Street Journal!
https://x.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1816199001688965381
I think number of ECVs might be available closer to November ?
"Liz Truss: "I think there have been some brilliant American women in politics, but I don't think Kamala Harris is one of them.""
https://x.com/wallstreetcar/status/1815862631367893164
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13662555/Kamala-Harris-great-great-great-great-grandfather-notorious-Irish-slave-owner.html
Personally cannot give a number or percentage. Except to say that it's NOT a small percentage, more like a BIG number.
Suspect that Kamala Harris's Irish heritage, will make her WAY more popular in Ireland, than Donald Trump is in Scotland.
Completely free access to anyone with a (.edu quoted, assume they mean .ac.uk too) email address to anyone reading the Telegraph,
https://telegraph.co.uk/customer/subscribe/students/
Have they noticed who is not reading them?
“From the grass roots, bottom up, we are here today to throw our support behind Vice-President Kamala Harris. [claps]. I’m clapping, you don’t have to”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP-_TPV-WGY
No, Sen. Schumer, Harris was picked by the sitting President, and quickly endorsed by almost all of the Dem Senators, Governors, and Congressmen. Selected by the party elites, from the top down, without anything as democratic as a contest or any alternative point of view being allowed.
She is going to push Trump very hard and might even win. A decisive win would be good for democracy, but unlikely.
• $126 million raised since Sunday
• Over 1.4 million grassroots donors made donations since Sunday
• Nearly 2,000 applied to work for the campaign in the first 24 hours, and over 100,000 people have signed up to volunteer since Sunday
https://x.com/casssemyon/status/1816073220568625358?t=mZ-mxSiF8dgPvuI4IrTAiQ&s=19
But a lot of donations that were withheld from Biden have now come in, over $100m of them, and this week’s polling has Harris doing better than Biden was in the past few weeks. Some of the VP picks mentioned, especially Mark Kelly and Josh Shapiro, would appeal to centrist swing voters who might otherwise consider supporting Trump.
The Trump campaign was obviously all geared up to fight Biden, so is going to have to take some time to regroup, and the media focus for the next few weeks with be on the Democrats building up to their Convention mid-August.
I think it could be pretty close between the candidates come November, but as usual it depends on what exactly happens in a handful of swing states. Harris will pile up votes in California and New York, but needs to win in Arizona and Georgia.
Otherwise it doesn't mean much.
Obviously the polling is going to take a couple of weeks to adjust, as these things always do, but it definitely looks like the Dems made the right decision to switch candidate. Harris is a very blank sheet of paper though, she’s been very quiet in the role of VP and most Americans really don’t know her. In contrast, there’s only around 3% who don’t have a view on her opponent.
It might have happened had there been insufficient backing for Harris - but his group got overtaken by events (and he was among the last to endorse Harris).
https://x.com/andrewschulz/status/1816151001092780497
(Does feature a couple of F-words, if you’re having breakfast with your kids).
Though admittedly a presidential debate is another level of pressure.
He can't go directly for racism or misogyny, so all I have seen so far is "lying Kamala".
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jul/25/offshore-wind-to-power-20m-homes-within-five-years-starmer-to-pledge
NEW THREAD
But then only four papers - the most recent broadsheets, which weirdly still includes the Telegraph - are considered reliable for BLPs (as Wikipedia call them).
It should be OK to use the Mail for other articles.
There is a story that Bill Clinton, who was trying to advise her, ended up punching the upholstery in his car, after she’d left. So hard that you could see the car rocking, from a distance….