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  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    I have just bought an artisanal cheese knife from juan the blacksmith who fashions daggars and swords from scrap metal in his own forge set in the 12th century walls of the fortified Templar town of Saint Eulalie-de-Cernon

    The shards from a fractured, poorly made, cheese knife really detract from the whole cheese experience I find.

    (I might consider a Japanese artisanal blacksmiths product, but with that one exception I'd avoid)
    I very much doubt I’m going to use it for cheese. It’s insanely impractical. I will likely make it my new letter opener (for which it is perfect - long and slender)

    I have a lot of experience with knives. I’m slightly obsessed

    I actually paid £500 for one knife from a dude who forges them from old car parts on Bodmin Moor

    https://www.atkinson-art.co.uk/product-category/wolf-dingo-chef-knives-for-valhalla/
    I want to be polite, but that rather buttonholes you as the sort of chap who buys Manuka Honey for it's UNIQUE HEALING PROPERTIES.
    OK I know this one. Manuka honey is a seriously good wound dressing because it sucks the heart out of bacteria by osmosis (liquid seeping out of the bacterium into the honey through the semi permeable membrane of the bacterium's outside).

    The bad news is this works equally well with Tesco value squeezy honey at 59p a pot not £59.
    What I love about manuka honey is how they know the bees having been getting there nectar from other plants than manuka. Tiny cameras on each of 40000 in the hive?
    Just look at the honey uinder a microscope? Any half decent palynologist can tell you in a few minutes what thje proportion of manuka pollen vs the rest is.
    You think they bother?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,809

    Carnyx said:

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The latter is not regarded as a terrorist incident, apparently.

    Whereas dog bites man, or polis beats someone up in public, is more of a story than the other way round ...
    Although reportedly counter terror police are now involved in the stabbing case.
    Not that I've seen, but I wasnt looking in detail. Thanks we'll see anyway.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,809

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    I have just bought an artisanal cheese knife from juan the blacksmith who fashions daggars and swords from scrap metal in his own forge set in the 12th century walls of the fortified Templar town of Saint Eulalie-de-Cernon

    The shards from a fractured, poorly made, cheese knife really detract from the whole cheese experience I find.

    (I might consider a Japanese artisanal blacksmiths product, but with that one exception I'd avoid)
    I very much doubt I’m going to use it for cheese. It’s insanely impractical. I will likely make it my new letter opener (for which it is perfect - long and slender)

    I have a lot of experience with knives. I’m slightly obsessed

    I actually paid £500 for one knife from a dude who forges them from old car parts on Bodmin Moor

    https://www.atkinson-art.co.uk/product-category/wolf-dingo-chef-knives-for-valhalla/
    I want to be polite, but that rather buttonholes you as the sort of chap who buys Manuka Honey for it's UNIQUE HEALING PROPERTIES.
    OK I know this one. Manuka honey is a seriously good wound dressing because it sucks the heart out of bacteria by osmosis (liquid seeping out of the bacterium into the honey through the semi permeable membrane of the bacterium's outside).

    The bad news is this works equally well with Tesco value squeezy honey at 59p a pot not £59.
    What I love about manuka honey is how they know the bees having been getting there nectar from other plants than manuka. Tiny cameras on each of 40000 in the hive?
    Just look at the honey uinder a microscope? Any half decent palynologist can tell you in a few minutes what thje proportion of manuka pollen vs the rest is.
    You think they bother?
    If the Tories hadn't screwed local authorities' food quality control then perhaps they might.

    I certainly would get a tame palynologist if I were RP or someone who imported the stuff, if only to cover my backside.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    Carnyx said:

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The latter is not regarded as a terrorist incident, apparently.

    Whereas dog bites man, or polis beats someone up in public, is more of a story than the other way round ...
    Why isn't John Mayall passing on BBC front page.

    The history of rock would be v different but for him...

  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,775

    Carnyx said:

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The latter is not regarded as a terrorist incident, apparently.

    Whereas dog bites man, or polis beats someone up in public, is more of a story than the other way round ...
    Although reportedly counter terror police are now involved in the stabbing case.
    Could there be concerns about copycat incidents? That's all I can think of. It's strange how the story seems to have drifted out of the news.
    If the counter terror police have got involved - on the nod, could they have asked for a bit of hush?

    Though both stories are just as likely to be replaced by a story about Bake Off or whatever in an hour.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,809
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The latter is not regarded as a terrorist incident, apparently.

    Whereas dog bites man, or polis beats someone up in public, is more of a story than the other way round ...
    Surely the latter is just an ordinary evening in the Met?
    Well, I wouldn't know, but this happened in Manchester where they have higher standards.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    It they’re not careful, Liz Truss is potentially going to be the millstone around the neck of every Tory leader for years to come.

    Every time she pops up right-minded people are going to say to themselves “oh look, it’s that insane lunatic Liz Truss saying something dense again, god weren’t the Tories negligent in the extreme to put her in charge of the country” and it will remind everyone about just how ridiculous the Tories got at their nadir.

    They should Krushchev secret speech her and forever banish her from the annals of the Party. Only a full repudiation will do. Even then it might not work.

    I think you'll find we just had the nadir - all 175 lost seats of it. And that was under the self-titled 'grown ups'.

    Given that the democrats thought nothing of trashing the democratic niceties to attack Truss's policies publicly (though to be fair, Biden was probably already considerably impaired by that time), I am not surprised she considers it fair game to speak her mind on US politics.
    What I find odd about you, more than anything, is that those who broadly agree with what Truss was trying to do should really be the FIRST to want her to, er, keep a dignified silence.

    She is just killing the policy position you espouse every time she appears.
    She really isn't. Beyond the centrist gammons of PB having apoplectic fits and banging their little paws on the table every time Truss dares to have an opinion, most of the world either doesn't know, doesn't care, is mildly diverted, thinks she's a bit crazy, or thinks she's right - in about that order. The world isn't PB.
    I take it from this you don't knock on doors. She's toxic. I actually think that's a little unfair, but she is.
    Then all the more reason to keep making the arguments. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    Truss never had an idea in her life beyond fangirl cargo cult lafferism. Are we even talking about the same person?
    There's a subtle (well, complete) difference between not having an idea, and having an idea that you happen to disagree with.
    Dead wrong. I am a Thatcherite at heart. Truss and you think Truss was, and you are wrong. Analogously, I like riding bikes. Truss is someone who came up with the idea of constructing a road bike out of Lego. It's no good saying I am anti bike when what I am anti is fecking eejits.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,043

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The police are meant to protect us. It is thus extra shocking when they do not.

    Also, I’ve just looked and the soldier’s stabbing is on the BBC News front page for me. Front pages are dynamic and I don’t know whether the BBC one adapts to the user?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,775

    ohnotnow said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    I have just bought an artisanal cheese knife from juan the blacksmith who fashions daggars and swords from scrap metal in his own forge set in the 12th century walls of the fortified Templar town of Saint Eulalie-de-Cernon

    The shards from a fractured, poorly made, cheese knife really detract from the whole cheese experience I find.

    (I might consider a Japanese artisanal blacksmiths product, but with that one exception I'd avoid)
    I very much doubt I’m going to use it for cheese. It’s insanely impractical. I will likely make it my new letter opener (for which it is perfect - long and slender)

    I have a lot of experience with knives. I’m slightly obsessed

    I actually paid £500 for one knife from a dude who forges them from old car parts on Bodmin Moor

    https://www.atkinson-art.co.uk/product-category/wolf-dingo-chef-knives-for-valhalla/
    I want to be polite, but that rather buttonholes you as the sort of chap who buys Manuka Honey for it's UNIQUE HEALING PROPERTIES.
    OK I know this one. Manuka honey is a seriously good wound dressing because it sucks the heart out of bacteria by osmosis (liquid seeping out of the bacterium into the honey through the semi permeable membrane of the bacterium's outside).

    The bad news is this works equally well with Tesco value squeezy honey at 59p a pot not £59.
    What I love about manuka honey is how they know the bees having been getting there nectar from other plants than manuka. Tiny cameras on each of 40000 in the hive?
    A guilty pleasure of mine is a New Zealand 'cosy' detective show called The Brokenwood Mysteries. There is a whole episode given over to a mysterious murder on a Manuka honey farm.

    I SHALL SAY NO MORE...

    (because I can't remember many details apart from that)
    It had better be a big farm. Those bees forage for miles!
    SPOILIERS!

    Sheesh!

  • MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    I have just bought an artisanal cheese knife from juan the blacksmith who fashions daggars and swords from scrap metal in his own forge set in the 12th century walls of the fortified Templar town of Saint Eulalie-de-Cernon

    The shards from a fractured, poorly made, cheese knife really detract from the whole cheese experience I find.

    (I might consider a Japanese artisanal blacksmiths product, but with that one exception I'd avoid)
    I very much doubt I’m going to use it for cheese. It’s insanely impractical. I will likely make it my new letter opener (for which it is perfect - long and slender)

    I have a lot of experience with knives. I’m slightly obsessed

    I actually paid £500 for one knife from a dude who forges them from old car parts on Bodmin Moor

    https://www.atkinson-art.co.uk/product-category/wolf-dingo-chef-knives-for-valhalla/
    I want to be polite, but that rather buttonholes you as the sort of chap who buys Manuka Honey for it's UNIQUE HEALING PROPERTIES.
    OK I know this one. Manuka honey is a seriously good wound dressing because it sucks the heart out of bacteria by osmosis (liquid seeping out of the bacterium into the honey through the semi permeable membrane of the bacterium's outside).

    The bad news is this works equally well with Tesco value squeezy honey at 59p a pot not £59.
    What I love about manuka honey is how they know the bees having been getting there nectar from other plants than manuka. Tiny cameras on each of 40000 in the hive?
    The Bees got ISO 9001 certification and self audit
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,809

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The police are meant to protect us. It is thus extra shocking when they do not.

    Also, I’ve just looked and the soldier’s stabbing is on the BBC News front page for me. Front pages are dynamic and I don’t know whether the BBC one adapts to the user?
    Same here, both front page for me
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,115
    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    I have just bought an artisanal cheese knife from juan the blacksmith who fashions daggars and swords from scrap metal in his own forge set in the 12th century walls of the fortified Templar town of Saint Eulalie-de-Cernon

    The shards from a fractured, poorly made, cheese knife really detract from the whole cheese experience I find.

    (I might consider a Japanese artisanal blacksmiths product, but with that one exception I'd avoid)
    I very much doubt I’m going to use it for cheese. It’s insanely impractical. I will likely make it my new letter opener (for which it is perfect - long and slender)

    I have a lot of experience with knives. I’m slightly obsessed

    I actually paid £500 for one knife from a dude who forges them from old car parts on Bodmin Moor

    https://www.atkinson-art.co.uk/product-category/wolf-dingo-chef-knives-for-valhalla/
    I want to be polite, but that rather buttonholes you as the sort of chap who buys Manuka Honey for it's UNIQUE HEALING PROPERTIES.
    No, it’s just that he has more silly money than do most of us.
    It appears in strange places, such as a random sponsorship ad in the middle of Midastouch anti-Trump ** videos read out by the same presenter in a different coloured shirt.

    They require the presenters to sincerely assert that their lives have been transformed by X, whether it is Hims (name for erection-generators for prissy Usonians), Vitamin somethings, silver impregnated bedsheets inspired by NASA, or Gourmet special-mix-for-your-pussy catfood. *

    * Appeared pre-JD Vance, so someone is a good forecaster, or has lots of cat-lady viewers.
    ** TB, Mr Trump has made sure that any accurate reporting is anti-Trump.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    Firstly, the stabbing story was the top news story, but the news moves fast.

    Secondly, the indication is the stabbing was mental health rather than terror related. That doesn't make it any less dreadful for the man or his family, but being awful isn't the test of news. Whereas discipline within the ranks of the Police is of wider relevance.
    We still don't know the condition of the army victim. And it's quite likely he was targeted because he was in uniform, mental health or otherwise, which gives it wider significance...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,809
    edited July 24

    Carnyx said:

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The latter is not regarded as a terrorist incident, apparently.

    Whereas dog bites man, or polis beats someone up in public, is more of a story than the other way round ...
    Why isn't John Mayall passing on BBC front page.

    The history of rock would be v different but for him...

    Olympics. Lot of stuff about some person beats some horse, for instance.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399
    I want more bantz from Vance.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031
    Carnyx said:

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The latter is not regarded as a terrorist incident, apparently.

    Whereas dog bites man, or polis beats someone up in public, is more of a story than the other way round ...
    Until we find out the facts of the case, which will be a while, we can’t know for sure either way.
    Although almost everyone commenting on the case has already made their minds up on it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,809
    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The latter is not regarded as a terrorist incident, apparently.

    Whereas dog bites man, or polis beats someone up in public, is more of a story than the other way round ...
    Until we find out the facts of the case, which will be a while, we can’t know for sure either way.
    Although almost everyone commenting on the case has already made their minds up on it.
    Except me. I feel very negligent. Probably get thrown off PB.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    Kamala: "these extremists wanna take us back. But we are not going back."

    That's a decent campaign soundbite.

    Turn into a crowd chant: "not going back" and she has something.

    I'd say she is doing better on the road than expected.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031
    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    "Vance has no conviction but his running mate has 34".

    Clever soundbite from the Harris team.

    It's dreadful.

    Honestly, who writes these things?

    It should be, 'Vance has no convictions but his running mate has 34.'
    I think it was a quote from one of the governors in the running for VP.
    Sounded a bit contrived to me.
  • Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    Tell us your suspicions.

    I expect the reasons are

    1) There's video footage of the GMP rozzer

    2) We expect better of the police (stop sniggering at the back.)

    3) Last week there was a horrific report about the shameful behaviour of GMP where they promised lessons had been learned then they do something like this.
    Bring back James Anderton.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,775
    Carnyx said:

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The police are meant to protect us. It is thus extra shocking when they do not.

    Also, I’ve just looked and the soldier’s stabbing is on the BBC News front page for me. Front pages are dynamic and I don’t know whether the BBC one adapts to the user?
    Same here, both front page for me
    Just checked mine too - lead story.



    2nd story is something about Dressage. Stamping head story not to be seen.

    Some sort of conspiracy?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    Firstly, the stabbing story was the top news story, but the news moves fast.

    Secondly, the indication is the stabbing was mental health rather than terror related. That doesn't make it any less dreadful for the man or his family, but being awful isn't the test of news. Whereas discipline within the ranks of the Police is of wider relevance.
    We still don't know the condition of the army victim. And it's quite likely he was targeted because he was in uniform, mental health or otherwise, which gives it wider significance...
    Yes we do.

    The BBC website and other news organisations have said he's in a serious but stable condition.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,115
    edited July 24

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    I have just bought an artisanal cheese knife from juan the blacksmith who fashions daggars and swords from scrap metal in his own forge set in the 12th century walls of the fortified Templar town of Saint Eulalie-de-Cernon

    The shards from a fractured, poorly made, cheese knife really detract from the whole cheese experience I find.

    (I might consider a Japanese artisanal blacksmiths product, but with that one exception I'd avoid)
    I very much doubt I’m going to use it for cheese. It’s insanely impractical. I will likely make it my new letter opener (for which it is perfect - long and slender)

    I have a lot of experience with knives. I’m slightly obsessed

    I actually paid £500 for one knife from a dude who forges them from old car parts on Bodmin Moor

    https://www.atkinson-art.co.uk/product-category/wolf-dingo-chef-knives-for-valhalla/
    In Nepal, we went to a forge to watch them making Kukris.

    The source metal was leaf springs from ancient Mercedes trucks.
    Gosh, How Authentic!

    I recall trekking days into the interior of Ethiopia and stumbling upon a meeting of orthodox Axiumite monks, returning from prayers, high up a mountain.

    I felt incredibly honoured when they shared with me their beer, from a secret, quasi-biblical recipe.

    A monk handed me a cloudy mixture, swirling around a rusty tin of nestle infant milk-formula.

    Kinda spoiled it.
    I remember being on the last train on a Friday night out of Glasgow for Fort William, and sharing in the ritual drinking of beer out of a load of six packs with the natives. All good fun, and much understanding despite our mutually weird, near-indecipherable languages.

    A ritual destroyed by the Scottish government, sadly. The loss of such ancient rituals is a silent form of imperialism, allowing the oppressors to continue drinking in their motorhomes... ;)
    You are arguing that post-millennial Glaswegians are sober?

    They live, presumably, on ice cream and teacakes.
    Only the Glaswegians going to Fort Bill. :)

    Incidentally, when I booked the B&B a couple of days before, I apologised to the landlady, saying I would be in a little late, as I was catching the last train. She said not to bother, as her hubby was the guard on the train...
    My most direct experience of Glaswegians was one New Years Eve when i was stranded in the Motherwell Holiday Inn Express, complete with non-working sandwich machine, and went to George Square for a look-see.

    Not a practise I recommend.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,578
    MSNBC focus group of Wisconsin women is not good for Harris:

    https://x.com/dailycaller/status/1816174590801915951
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    Firstly, the stabbing story was the top news story, but the news moves fast.

    Secondly, the indication is the stabbing was mental health rather than terror related. That doesn't make it any less dreadful for the man or his family, but being awful isn't the test of news. Whereas discipline within the ranks of the Police is of wider relevance.
    We still don't know the condition of the army victim. And it's quite likely he was targeted because he was in uniform, mental health or otherwise, which gives it wider significance...
    Yes we do.

    The BBC website and other news organisations have said he's in a serious but stable condition.
    Like Charlotte dujardin's horse.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    MSNBC focus group of Wisconsin women is not good for Harris:

    https://x.com/dailycaller/status/1816174590801915951

    Remember Martin Boon's golden rule about focus groups.

    What's the margin of error on them!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601
    ohnotnow said:

    Carnyx said:

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The police are meant to protect us. It is thus extra shocking when they do not.

    Also, I’ve just looked and the soldier’s stabbing is on the BBC News front page for me. Front pages are dynamic and I don’t know whether the BBC one adapts to the user?
    Same here, both front page for me
    Just checked mine too - lead story.



    2nd story is something about Dressage. Stamping head story not to be seen.

    Some sort of conspiracy?
    Yup, it's nasty Islamophobia innuendo.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited July 24

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The video of the man being kicked in the head looks terrible. However, the video is suspiciously truncated to that moment. Which always makes me wonder quite what happened beforehand.

    (And yes, police should not be kicking someone in the head. But the context of *why* it happened does matter IMO, as it turns an atrocious act into something more understandable.)
    Apparently police officers were seriously assaulted resulting in injured officers and a suggestion that there was fears that one of the attackers was going for a police firearm.

    Clearly the officer kicking them in the head has then lost control.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    Tell us your suspicions.

    I expect the reasons are

    1) There's video footage of the GMP rozzer

    2) We expect better of the police (stop sniggering at the back.)

    3) Last week there was a horrific report about the shameful behaviour of GMP where they promised lessons had been learned then they do something like this.
    Bring back James Anderton.
    Ah yes that nasty bigot and friend of Cyril Smith.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687

    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,775

    ohnotnow said:

    Carnyx said:

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The police are meant to protect us. It is thus extra shocking when they do not.

    Also, I’ve just looked and the soldier’s stabbing is on the BBC News front page for me. Front pages are dynamic and I don’t know whether the BBC one adapts to the user?
    Same here, both front page for me
    Just checked mine too - lead story.



    2nd story is something about Dressage. Stamping head story not to be seen.

    Some sort of conspiracy?
    Yup, it's nasty Islamophobia innuendo.
    Surely not?!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,410

    It they’re not careful, Liz Truss is potentially going to be the millstone around the neck of every Tory leader for years to come.

    Every time she pops up right-minded people are going to say to themselves “oh look, it’s that insane lunatic Liz Truss saying something dense again, god weren’t the Tories negligent in the extreme to put her in charge of the country” and it will remind everyone about just how ridiculous the Tories got at their nadir.

    They should Krushchev secret speech her and forever banish her from the annals of the Party. Only a full repudiation will do. Even then it might not work.

    I think you'll find we just had the nadir - all 175 lost seats of it. And that was under the self-titled 'grown ups'.

    Given that the democrats thought nothing of trashing the democratic niceties to attack Truss's policies publicly (though to be fair, Biden was probably already considerably impaired by that time), I am not surprised she considers it fair game to speak her mind on US politics.
    What I find odd about you, more than anything, is that those who broadly agree with what Truss was trying to do should really be the FIRST to want her to, er, keep a dignified silence.

    She is just killing the policy position you espouse every time she appears.
    She really isn't. Beyond the centrist gammons of PB having apoplectic fits and banging their little paws on the table every time Truss dares to have an opinion, most of the world either doesn't know, doesn't care, is mildly diverted, thinks she's a bit crazy, or thinks she's right - in about that order. The world isn't PB.
    I take it from this you don't knock on doors. She's toxic. I actually think that's a little unfair, but she is.
    Then all the more reason to keep making the arguments. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    Truss never had an idea in her life beyond fangirl cargo cult lafferism. Are we even talking about the same person?
    There's a subtle (well, complete) difference between not having an idea, and having an idea that you happen to disagree with.
    Dead wrong. I am a Thatcherite at heart. Truss and you think Truss was, and you are wrong. Analogously, I like riding bikes. Truss is someone who came up with the idea of constructing a road bike out of Lego. It's no good saying I am anti bike when what I am anti is fecking eejits.
    You should watch her triggernometry (sp?) interview. Truss makes a very powerful point about the growing power of institutions under the Blairite constitutional settlement - civil service, quangos, the courts - making it very difficult for those Thatcherite policies that you admire ever to be implemented again. Whoever tries to unravel the gordian knot is going to have to have a lot more political smarts than Truss, but it's important that they also listen to and understand her experiences of the issues within her Ministerial and Prime-Ministerial roles.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    Not thought to be terror related? But you need the counter terrorism police to help!

    https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/24/soldier-stabbed-army-barracks-kent/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,809

    Not thought to be terror related? But you need the counter terrorism police to help!

    https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/24/soldier-stabbed-army-barracks-kent/

    How else would they know, one way or another?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    Firstly, the stabbing story was the top news story, but the news moves fast.

    Secondly, the indication is the stabbing was mental health rather than terror related. That doesn't make it any less dreadful for the man or his family, but being awful isn't the test of news. Whereas discipline within the ranks of the Police is of wider relevance.
    We still don't know the condition of the army victim. And it's quite likely he was targeted because he was in uniform, mental health or otherwise, which gives it wider significance...
    Yes we do.

    The BBC website and other news organisations have said he's in a serious but stable condition.
    Heard the one about the horse comedian who lost his sense of humour? He’s in a stable but serious condition.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    Tell us your suspicions.

    I expect the reasons are

    1) There's video footage of the GMP rozzer

    2) We expect better of the police (stop sniggering at the back.)

    3) Last week there was a horrific report about the shameful behaviour of GMP where they promised lessons had been learned then they do something like this.
    That's it's a political agenda at work.

    Black man stabs a soldier in uniform isn't exactly the kind of story most people in the lefty media want to promote. Police officer kicks a person in the head certainly is. We have no idea what led up to that incident. It's hard to defend the action whatever. But unless the guy has suffered serious injury, is it really a story?

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,043

    MSNBC focus group of Wisconsin women is not good for Harris:

    https://x.com/dailycaller/status/1816174590801915951

    Remember Martin Boon's golden rule about focus groups.

    What's the margin of error on them!
    You probably need to do something with the negative binomial distribution, along the lines of https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13645579.2015.1005453
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    Not thought to be terror related? But you need the counter terrorism police to help!

    https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/24/soldier-stabbed-army-barracks-kent/

    I think because it shares similarities to the Lee Rigby attack* they've brought in the counter-terrorism police to consult and to rule out/in terrorism.

    *That was my first thought when I heard the news.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    Tell us your suspicions.

    I expect the reasons are

    1) There's video footage of the GMP rozzer

    2) We expect better of the police (stop sniggering at the back.)

    3) Last week there was a horrific report about the shameful behaviour of GMP where they promised lessons had been learned then they do something like this.
    That's it's a political agenda at work.

    Black man stabs a soldier in uniform isn't exactly the kind of story most people in the lefty media want to promote. Police officer kicks a person in the head certainly is. We have no idea what led up to that incident. It's hard to defend the action whatever. But unless the guy has suffered serious injury, is it really a story?

    Given how the right dominates the traditional media (the Mail, the Telegraph, the Sun, the BBC) I find that hard to believe.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,077


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    It's all the Tories have left.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826

    ohnotnow said:

    Carnyx said:

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    The police are meant to protect us. It is thus extra shocking when they do not.

    Also, I’ve just looked and the soldier’s stabbing is on the BBC News front page for me. Front pages are dynamic and I don’t know whether the BBC one adapts to the user?
    Same here, both front page for me
    Just checked mine too - lead story.



    2nd story is something about Dressage. Stamping head story not to be seen.

    Some sort of conspiracy?
    Yup, it's nasty Islamophobia innuendo.
    What is?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392

    Not thought to be terror related? But you need the counter terrorism police to help!

    https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/24/soldier-stabbed-army-barracks-kent/

    I think because it shares similarities to the Lee Rigby attack* they've brought in the counter-terrorism police to consult and to rule out/in terrorism.

    *That was my first thought when I heard the news.
    So why rule it out, almost reflexively, at the start. The value of a no comment, surely?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    Tell us your suspicions.

    I expect the reasons are

    1) There's video footage of the GMP rozzer

    2) We expect better of the police (stop sniggering at the back.)

    3) Last week there was a horrific report about the shameful behaviour of GMP where they promised lessons had been learned then they do something like this.
    That's it's a political agenda at work.

    Black man stabs a soldier in uniform isn't exactly the kind of story most people in the lefty media want to promote. Police officer kicks a person in the head certainly is. We have no idea what led up to that incident. It's hard to defend the action whatever. But unless the guy has suffered serious injury, is it really a story?

    Given you've been totally shown as mistaken about the BBC website, the agenda is in your head.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,678

    It they’re not careful, Liz Truss is potentially going to be the millstone around the neck of every Tory leader for years to come.

    Every time she pops up right-minded people are going to say to themselves “oh look, it’s that insane lunatic Liz Truss saying something dense again, god weren’t the Tories negligent in the extreme to put her in charge of the country” and it will remind everyone about just how ridiculous the Tories got at their nadir.

    They should Krushchev secret speech her and forever banish her from the annals of the Party. Only a full repudiation will do. Even then it might not work.

    I think you'll find we just had the nadir - all 175 lost seats of it. And that was under the self-titled 'grown ups'.

    Given that the democrats thought nothing of trashing the democratic niceties to attack Truss's policies publicly (though to be fair, Biden was probably already considerably impaired by that time), I am not surprised she considers it fair game to speak her mind on US politics.
    What I find odd about you, more than anything, is that those who broadly agree with what Truss was trying to do should really be the FIRST to want her to, er, keep a dignified silence.

    She is just killing the policy position you espouse every time she appears.
    She really isn't. Beyond the centrist gammons of PB having apoplectic fits and banging their little paws on the table every time Truss dares to have an opinion, most of the world either doesn't know, doesn't care, is mildly diverted, thinks she's a bit crazy, or thinks she's right - in about that order. The world isn't PB.
    I take it from this you don't knock on doors. She's toxic. I actually think that's a little unfair, but she is.
    Then all the more reason to keep making the arguments. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    Truss never had an idea in her life beyond fangirl cargo cult lafferism. Are we even talking about the same person?
    There's a subtle (well, complete) difference between not having an idea, and having an idea that you happen to disagree with.
    Dead wrong. I am a Thatcherite at heart. Truss and you think Truss was, and you are wrong. Analogously, I like riding bikes. Truss is someone who came up with the idea of constructing a road bike out of Lego. It's no good saying I am anti bike when what I am anti is fecking eejits.
    You should watch her triggernometry (sp?) interview. Truss makes a very powerful point about the growing power of institutions under the Blairite constitutional settlement - civil service, quangos, the courts - making it very difficult for those Thatcherite policies that you admire ever to be implemented again. Whoever tries to unravel the gordian knot is going to have to have a lot more political smarts than Truss, but it's important that they also listen to and understand her experiences of the issues within her Ministerial and Prime-Ministerial roles.
    Hitchens Minor comes out with this stuff about Blair embedding Marxism into the British constitution. (Sir Keir, apparently, will continue the revolution but on amphetamines.) All seems rather far fetched to me. I'd like to hear some examples.
  • Not thought to be terror related? But you need the counter terrorism police to help!

    https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/24/soldier-stabbed-army-barracks-kent/

    I think because it shares similarities to the Lee Rigby attack* they've brought in the counter-terrorism police to consult and to rule out/in terrorism.

    *That was my first thought when I heard the news.
    Also it's a senior officer that got attacked (Lieutenant Colonel) not a soldier.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    DougSeal said:

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    Tell us your suspicions.

    I expect the reasons are

    1) There's video footage of the GMP rozzer

    2) We expect better of the police (stop sniggering at the back.)

    3) Last week there was a horrific report about the shameful behaviour of GMP where they promised lessons had been learned then they do something like this.
    That's it's a political agenda at work.

    Black man stabs a soldier in uniform isn't exactly the kind of story most people in the lefty media want to promote. Police officer kicks a person in the head certainly is. We have no idea what led up to that incident. It's hard to defend the action whatever. But unless the guy has suffered serious injury, is it really a story?

    Given how the right dominates the traditional media (the Mail, the Telegraph, the Sun, the BBC) I find that hard to believe.
    The right does not dominate the BBC, nor do the left. Arguably the metropolitan, woke (whatever that means), middle class do.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited July 24
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    Well all I can is on the BBC Homepage that I see the Manchester incident is the second story. The Kent incident is a more minor story on the News page.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited July 24

    It they’re not careful, Liz Truss is potentially going to be the millstone around the neck of every Tory leader for years to come.

    Every time she pops up right-minded people are going to say to themselves “oh look, it’s that insane lunatic Liz Truss saying something dense again, god weren’t the Tories negligent in the extreme to put her in charge of the country” and it will remind everyone about just how ridiculous the Tories got at their nadir.

    They should Krushchev secret speech her and forever banish her from the annals of the Party. Only a full repudiation will do. Even then it might not work.

    I think you'll find we just had the nadir - all 175 lost seats of it. And that was under the self-titled 'grown ups'.

    Given that the democrats thought nothing of trashing the democratic niceties to attack Truss's policies publicly (though to be fair, Biden was probably already considerably impaired by that time), I am not surprised she considers it fair game to speak her mind on US politics.
    What I find odd about you, more than anything, is that those who broadly agree with what Truss was trying to do should really be the FIRST to want her to, er, keep a dignified silence.

    She is just killing the policy position you espouse every time she appears.
    She really isn't. Beyond the centrist gammons of PB having apoplectic fits and banging their little paws on the table every time Truss dares to have an opinion, most of the world either doesn't know, doesn't care, is mildly diverted, thinks she's a bit crazy, or thinks she's right - in about that order. The world isn't PB.
    I take it from this you don't knock on doors. She's toxic. I actually think that's a little unfair, but she is.
    Then all the more reason to keep making the arguments. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    Truss never had an idea in her life beyond fangirl cargo cult lafferism. Are we even talking about the same person?
    There's a subtle (well, complete) difference between not having an idea, and having an idea that you happen to disagree with.
    Dead wrong. I am a Thatcherite at heart. Truss and you think Truss was, and you are wrong. Analogously, I like riding bikes. Truss is someone who came up with the idea of constructing a road bike out of Lego. It's no good saying I am anti bike when what I am anti is fecking eejits.
    You should watch her triggernometry (sp?) interview. Truss makes a very powerful point about the growing power of institutions under the Blairite constitutional settlement - civil service, quangos, the courts - making it very difficult for those Thatcherite policies that you admire ever to be implemented again. Whoever tries to unravel the gordian knot is going to have to have a lot more political smarts than Truss, but it's important that they also listen to and understand her experiences of the issues within her Ministerial and Prime-Ministerial roles.
    Wonder how many PBers & others are aware that there's a famous book about gunslingers of the Old West entitled "Triggernometry"?

    A very interesting and entertaining read indeed . . . but marred by the inbred, apparently congenital and overt racism of the author, Eugene Cunningham, which he directed against Black people.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    Not thought to be terror related? But you need the counter terrorism police to help!

    https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/24/soldier-stabbed-army-barracks-kent/

    I think because it shares similarities to the Lee Rigby attack* they've brought in the counter-terrorism police to consult and to rule out/in terrorism.

    *That was my first thought when I heard the news.
    Also it's a senior officer that got attacked (Lieutenant Colonel) not a soldier.
    Wot? Soldier covers all ranks (except honorary colonel in chief and such)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601
    Why can't atheists solve exponential equations?

    They don't believe in higher powers.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,043

    Can anyone explain to me why a man being kicked in the head by a police officer is a bigger story than a soldier in uniform being stabbed up to seventy times. I notice the latter is no longer on the BBC front page.

    I have my own suspicions but I've never been involved in news production.

    Tell us your suspicions.

    I expect the reasons are

    1) There's video footage of the GMP rozzer

    2) We expect better of the police (stop sniggering at the back.)

    3) Last week there was a horrific report about the shameful behaviour of GMP where they promised lessons had been learned then they do something like this.
    That's it's a political agenda at work.

    Black man stabs a soldier in uniform isn't exactly the kind of story most people in the lefty media want to promote. Police officer kicks a person in the head certainly is. We have no idea what led up to that incident. It's hard to defend the action whatever. But unless the guy has suffered serious injury, is it really a story?
    So, you think the media is biased, but your underlying claim — that the soldier stabbing story isn’t on the BBC front page — appears to be mistaken. Maybe chill out and stop jumping at shadows?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited July 24
    A simple explanation for the Home Officer response might well be that the soldier stabber is a registered with serious mental condition, perhaps known to the authorities, so they rushed to that conclusion.

    But either they have found some terrorist related material / connection to say Anjem Choudary or he is ranting about such things.

    So they are now trying to work out if he has done this because he is mental and something triggered it or is he was encouraged / inspired to do it as part of a terrorist plot / reprisal.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,410


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.

    Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.

    But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
  • Well all I can is on the BBC Homepage that I see the Manchester incident is the second story. The Kent incident is a more minor story on the News page.

    Wonder what would have happened if a right wing skinhead had been the perpetrator?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.

    Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.

    But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
    I've told you many times Michael and Kemi have had a major falling out.

    She isn't a Goveite plant.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Not thought to be terror related? But you need the counter terrorism police to help!

    https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/24/soldier-stabbed-army-barracks-kent/

    I think because it shares similarities to the Lee Rigby attack* they've brought in the counter-terrorism police to consult and to rule out/in terrorism.

    *That was my first thought when I heard the news.
    So why rule it out, almost reflexively, at the start. The value of a no comment, surely?
    Because otherwise people will immediately start blaming certain groups in society. They do it anyway, as posts on here disbelieving the denial show, but “no comment” would be taken as an admission.

    If the guy has no links to Islamism or Irish Republicanism (something that can be ascertained very quickly - at least provisionally if you’ll excuse the pun) then terrorism (for the term is generally used to denote actions in furtherance of those specific causes in the U.K.) can be ruled out.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,809

    Well all I can is on the BBC Homepage that I see the Manchester incident is the second story. The Kent incident is a more minor story on the News page.

    BBC *news* page has both on the very first screen. The Kent news is a few hours old, and there's lots of sport, you know, this Olympics shite, so it's not surprising that the chap or chapess doing the home page doesn't come up to scratch by your standards, I'm afraid.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031

    It they’re not careful, Liz Truss is potentially going to be the millstone around the neck of every Tory leader for years to come.

    Every time she pops up right-minded people are going to say to themselves “oh look, it’s that insane lunatic Liz Truss saying something dense again, god weren’t the Tories negligent in the extreme to put her in charge of the country” and it will remind everyone about just how ridiculous the Tories got at their nadir.

    They should Krushchev secret speech her and forever banish her from the annals of the Party. Only a full repudiation will do. Even then it might not work.

    I think you'll find we just had the nadir - all 175 lost seats of it. And that was under the self-titled 'grown ups'.

    Given that the democrats thought nothing of trashing the democratic niceties to attack Truss's policies publicly (though to be fair, Biden was probably already considerably impaired by that time), I am not surprised she considers it fair game to speak her mind on US politics.
    What I find odd about you, more than anything, is that those who broadly agree with what Truss was trying to do should really be the FIRST to want her to, er, keep a dignified silence.

    She is just killing the policy position you espouse every time she appears.
    She really isn't. Beyond the centrist gammons of PB having apoplectic fits and banging their little paws on the table every time Truss dares to have an opinion, most of the world either doesn't know, doesn't care, is mildly diverted, thinks she's a bit crazy, or thinks she's right - in about that order. The world isn't PB.
    I take it from this you don't knock on doors. She's toxic. I actually think that's a little unfair, but she is.
    Then all the more reason to keep making the arguments. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    Truss never had an idea in her life beyond fangirl cargo cult lafferism. Are we even talking about the same person?
    There's a subtle (well, complete) difference between not having an idea, and having an idea that you happen to disagree with.
    Dead wrong. I am a Thatcherite at heart. Truss and you think Truss was, and you are wrong. Analogously, I like riding bikes. Truss is someone who came up with the idea of constructing a road bike out of Lego. It's no good saying I am anti bike when what I am anti is fecking eejits.
    You should watch her triggernometry (sp?) interview. Truss makes a very powerful point about the growing power of institutions under the Blairite constitutional settlement - civil service, quangos, the courts - making it very difficult for those Thatcherite policies that you admire ever to be implemented again. Whoever tries to unravel the gordian knot is going to have to have a lot more political smarts than Truss, but it's important that they also listen to and understand her experiences of the issues within her Ministerial and Prime-Ministerial roles.
    Sounds like a load of self serving crap to me.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.

    Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.

    But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
    Stride running to make sure he remains in Shad Cabinet?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited July 24
    If you want real evidence of BBC bias and slipping standards, the overnight crew editing the website.....they are obsessed with celeb gossip. Taylor Swift goes to the shops and straight on the front page.

    It is really noticeable how much it changes at about 7am, I presume when the adults come into work.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    Cicero said:


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    It's all the Tories have left.
    The next conservative pm is not yet in the Commons.

  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,274
    Harris should turn down a debate on Fox News .

    Trump will be given an easy ride and the viewers will award the win to him regardless of what he says .
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601
    edited July 24


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.

    Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.

    But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
    Stride running to make sure he remains in Shad Cabinet?
    OGH had some very well connected friends in the Labour party back in 2010 and one of them told OGH that the only reason Ed Miliband stood for the leadership was to get a decent showing so David Miliband offering him a senior shadow cabinet didn't look like nepotism.

    😱😂
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Well all I can is on the BBC Homepage that I see the Manchester incident is the second story. The Kent incident is a more minor story on the News page.

    Wonder what would have happened if a right wing skinhead had been the perpetrator?
    It would have exactly the same coverage or less.. You guys are not the victims of censorship - as much as you would like to be. The huge exposure of UKIP/Reform on the supposedly neutral BBC as opposed to the scant coverage the Greens get has proved that for 15-20 years now.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,809
    edited July 24
    The Graun is showing its annual interest in Scotland. Wall to wall Fringe comedians coming up and funplaining to us how we feel.

    Now they actually do it at breakfast. At breakfast.

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/article/2024/jul/24/eggs-bacon-banter-the-scottish-hotel-trying-to-make-breakfast-the-funniest-meal-of-the-day
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601
    Andy_JS said:

    MSNBC focus group of Wisconsin women is not good for Harris:

    https://x.com/dailycaller/status/1816174590801915951

    You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
    Wait, William has misrepresented polling to show Trump in a better light?

    I am shocked.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    They’re both fucked then.
  • SteveSSteveS Posts: 182

    Truss makes a very powerful point about the growing power of institutions under the Blairite constitutional settlement - civil service, quangos, the courts - making it very difficult for those Thatcherite policies that you admire ever to be implemented again. Whoever tries to unravel the gordian knot is going to have to have a lot more political smarts than Truss,

    I’m struggling to think of anyone with more political smarts than Truss. Which is remarkable as a Consultant Psychiatrist told me she was a classic high functioning sociopath.

    I do agree with you that the Courts have way too much power and should be under the control of whoever is elected Prime Minister. Makes me wonder whether we need to spend that £££ on the Supreme Court and should just replace it with the Cabinet.

    Steve
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.

    Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.

    But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
    I've told you many times Michael and Kemi have had a major falling out.

    She isn't a Goveite plant.


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.

    Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.

    But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
    I've told you many times Michael and Kemi have had a major falling out.

    She isn't a Goveite plant.
    I’ve heard Kemi falls out with a lot of people.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    A simple explanation for the Home Officer response might well be that the soldier stabber is a registered with serious mental condition, perhaps known to the authorities, so they rushed to that conclusion.

    But either they have found some terrorist related material / connection to say Anjem Choudary or he is ranting about such things.

    So they are now trying to work out if he has done this because he is mental and something triggered it or is he was encouraged / inspired to do it as part of a terrorist plot / reprisal.

    I don't find the boundary between mental disorder and snackbar fanaticism to be particularly well defined.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399
    Andy_JS said:

    MSNBC focus group of Wisconsin women is not good for Harris:

    https://x.com/dailycaller/status/1816174590801915951

    You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
    Andy_JS said:

    MSNBC focus group of Wisconsin women is not good for Harris:

    https://x.com/dailycaller/status/1816174590801915951

    You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
    Nevertheless I expect Kamala to be bigged up on here over the next few months, and Trump support to be played down, because that’s what people want to happen.

    The market, though, is one bitten twice shy.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    On Kamala:


    George Monbiot
    @GeorgeMonbiot
    ·
    Jul 23
    It's one of the best political speeches I've ever heard.


    ===

    Oh God, it is the hope that etc etc...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.

    Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.

    But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
    I've told you many times Michael and Kemi have had a major falling out.

    She isn't a Goveite plant.


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.

    Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.

    But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
    I've told you many times Michael and Kemi have had a major falling out.

    She isn't a Goveite plant.
    I’ve heard Kemi falls out with a lot of people.
    One of the rumours I have heard is one of her ministers may do an Ann Widdecombe to her Michael Howard.

    May even be about the Post Office scandal.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    The band Five Star would be a step up from most of them.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,077

    It they’re not careful, Liz Truss is potentially going to be the millstone around the neck of every Tory leader for years to come.

    Every time she pops up right-minded people are going to say to themselves “oh look, it’s that insane lunatic Liz Truss saying something dense again, god weren’t the Tories negligent in the extreme to put her in charge of the country” and it will remind everyone about just how ridiculous the Tories got at their nadir.

    They should Krushchev secret speech her and forever banish her from the annals of the Party. Only a full repudiation will do. Even then it might not work.

    I think you'll find we just had the nadir - all 175 lost seats of it. And that was under the self-titled 'grown ups'.

    Given that the democrats thought nothing of trashing the democratic niceties to attack Truss's policies publicly (though to be fair, Biden was probably already considerably impaired by that time), I am not surprised she considers it fair game to speak her mind on US politics.
    What I find odd about you, more than anything, is that those who broadly agree with what Truss was trying to do should really be the FIRST to want her to, er, keep a dignified silence.

    She is just killing the policy position you espouse every time she appears.
    She really isn't. Beyond the centrist gammons of PB having apoplectic fits and banging their little paws on the table every time Truss dares to have an opinion, most of the world either doesn't know, doesn't care, is mildly diverted, thinks she's a bit crazy, or thinks she's right - in about that order. The world isn't PB.
    I take it from this you don't knock on doors. She's toxic. I actually think that's a little unfair, but she is.
    Then all the more reason to keep making the arguments. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    Truss is doing that in reverse, isn't she?

    First, she won. Then they fought her. Now they're laughing at her. In a year or two...
    Whilst she still has the boiled piss contingent on PB to depend on, I can't see her ever being ignored.
    Not as an example though,more as a terrible warning.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,043

    If you want real evidence of BBC bias and slipping standards, the overnight crew editing the website.....they are obsessed with celeb gossip. Taylor Swift goes to the shops and straight on the front page.

    It is really noticeable how much it changes at about 7am, I presume when the adults come into work.

    Is it a “crew”? I presume there’s some human oversight, but we know it’s also algorithmically determined. Readers clicking on stories moves them up.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Andy_JS said:

    MSNBC focus group of Wisconsin women is not good for Harris:

    https://x.com/dailycaller/status/1816174590801915951

    You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
    Yeah. The calves on the stage left-but-one one scream MAGA and are going to give me nightmares.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Here’s the BBC U.K. News front page screenshot from 5 minutes ago -


  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    nico679 said:

    Harris should turn down a debate on Fox News .

    Trump will be given an easy ride and the viewers will award the win to him regardless of what he says .

    No.

    Do NOT bet on any candidate getting an easy ride from any moderator in a national debate.

    Also, will be WAY more than regular Fox viewers tuning in, you CAN bet your bippy on that.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,568

    If you want real evidence of BBC bias and slipping standards, the overnight crew editing the website.....they are obsessed with celeb gossip. Taylor Swift goes to the shops and straight on the front page.

    It is really noticeable how much it changes at about 7am, I presume when the adults come into work.

    Suspect they're obsessed with the clicks. Someone should hide the numbers.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Same old retreats. British is best for my book.
  • I see Nasdaq 100 is now down over 1,650 points from its 20,690 high on 10th July. Almost into correction territory.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.

    Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.

    But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
    Stride running to make sure he remains in Shad Cabinet?
    Tories now have a Shad cabinet. Before 4th of July they had a Holy Mackerel cabinet.

    Either way, the fish stinks from the head down . . . AND bottom up.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    DougSeal said:

    Here’s the BBC U.K. News front page screenshot from 5 minutes ago -


    The homepage doesn't feature it. Neither does the main news page in any prominence. But if you click on UK news it becomes the number one story. Strange.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031
    SteveS said:

    Truss makes a very powerful point about the growing power of institutions under the Blairite constitutional settlement - civil service, quangos, the courts - making it very difficult for those Thatcherite policies that you admire ever to be implemented again. Whoever tries to unravel the gordian knot is going to have to have a lot more political smarts than Truss,

    I’m struggling to think of anyone with more political smarts than Truss. Which is remarkable as a Consultant Psychiatrist told me she was a classic high functioning sociopath.

    I do agree with you that the Courts have way too much power and should be under the control of whoever is elected Prime Minister. Makes me wonder whether we need to spend that £££ on the Supreme Court and should just replace it with the Cabinet.

    Steve
    One of the maddest things on PB in a while.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.

    Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.

    But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
    Stride running to make sure he remains in Shad Cabinet?
    Tories now have a Shad cabinet. Before 4th of July they had a Holy Mackerel cabinet.

    Either way, the fish stinks from the head down . . . AND bottom up.
    Cod you please calm down with the fish? You’re being a reel pain in the bass.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,812

    Andy_JS said:

    MSNBC focus group of Wisconsin women is not good for Harris:

    https://x.com/dailycaller/status/1816174590801915951

    You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
    Andy_JS said:

    MSNBC focus group of Wisconsin women is not good for Harris:

    https://x.com/dailycaller/status/1816174590801915951

    You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
    Nevertheless I expect Kamala to be bigged up on here over the next few months, and Trump support to be played down, because that’s what people want to happen.

    The market, though, is one bitten twice shy.
    Unless we see some big shifts in the coming days then I think we have to say Kamala is doing a bit better than Biden, but she is still behind.

    I think she has what it takes but I am not at this stage seeing what some pundits and others seem to be which is that she is poised ready to sweep to victory. The signs just aren’t there yet.

    There are some little positives that might prove to be significant: the poll that shows her closing the gap in Georgia. Higher favourability than Trump in one poll. A good performance in her speech yesterday. The fundraising boost showing a renewed vigor/optimism in the party. Things could sprout from these little seeds. But we need more data, and we need the conventions out of the way and the race proper to start.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,043
    Nigelb said:

    SteveS said:

    Truss makes a very powerful point about the growing power of institutions under the Blairite constitutional settlement - civil service, quangos, the courts - making it very difficult for those Thatcherite policies that you admire ever to be implemented again. Whoever tries to unravel the gordian knot is going to have to have a lot more political smarts than Truss,

    I’m struggling to think of anyone with more political smarts than Truss. Which is remarkable as a Consultant Psychiatrist told me she was a classic high functioning sociopath.

    I do agree with you that the Courts have way too much power and should be under the control of whoever is elected Prime Minister. Makes me wonder whether we need to spend that £££ on the Supreme Court and should just replace it with the Cabinet.

    Steve
    One of the maddest things on PB in a while.
    It’s got to compete with “all the NHS’s problems are because the staff are indolent” from earlier.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    DougSeal said:


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.

    Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.

    But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
    Stride running to make sure he remains in Shad Cabinet?
    Tories now have a Shad cabinet. Before 4th of July they had a Holy Mackerel cabinet.

    Either way, the fish stinks from the head down . . . AND bottom up.
    Cod you please calm down with the fish? You’re being a reel pain in the bass.
    Quit yer carping!
  • Andy_JS said:

    MSNBC focus group of Wisconsin women is not good for Harris:

    https://x.com/dailycaller/status/1816174590801915951

    You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
    Andy_JS said:

    MSNBC focus group of Wisconsin women is not good for Harris:

    https://x.com/dailycaller/status/1816174590801915951

    You've made quite a big category mistake. This is a focus group of Trump-supporting women voters, not independent or floating voters.
    Nevertheless I expect Kamala to be bigged up on here over the next few months, and Trump support to be played down, because that’s what people want to happen.

    The market, though, is one bitten twice shy.
    Unless we see some big shifts in the coming days then I think we have to say Kamala is doing a bit better than Biden, but she is still behind.

    I think she has what it takes but I am not at this stage seeing what some pundits and others seem to be which is that she is poised ready to sweep to victory. The signs just aren’t there yet.

    There are some little positives that might prove to be significant: the poll that shows her closing the gap in Georgia. Higher favourability than Trump in one poll. A good performance in her speech yesterday. The fundraising boost showing a renewed vigor/optimism in the party. Things could sprout from these little seeds. But we need more data, and we need the conventions out of the way and the race proper to start.
    Honeymoon period. This will last a while.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    That's a lot of phone lines being installed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031
    DougSeal said:

    Well all I can is on the BBC Homepage that I see the Manchester incident is the second story. The Kent incident is a more minor story on the News page.

    Wonder what would have happened if a right wing skinhead had been the perpetrator?
    It would have exactly the same coverage or less.. You guys are not the victims of censorship - as much as you would like to be. The huge exposure of UKIP/Reform on the supposedly neutral BBC as opposed to the scant coverage the Greens get has proved that for 15-20 years now.
    It’s impressive how posters are able to comment on editorial decisions with such certainty when they have few of the facts.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    SteveS said:

    Truss makes a very powerful point about the growing power of institutions under the Blairite constitutional settlement - civil service, quangos, the courts - making it very difficult for those Thatcherite policies that you admire ever to be implemented again. Whoever tries to unravel the gordian knot is going to have to have a lot more political smarts than Truss,

    I’m struggling to think of anyone with more political smarts than Truss. Which is remarkable as a Consultant Psychiatrist told me she was a classic high functioning sociopath.

    I do agree with you that the Courts have way too much power and should be under the control of whoever is elected Prime Minister. Makes me wonder whether we need to spend that £££ on the Supreme Court and should just replace it with the Cabinet.

    Steve
    Absolutely. If Starmer murders someone or orders schools to stop educating people with ginger hair, he should have the right to do so, and no court in the land should have the right to stop him. Makes perfect fucking sense to me.
  • MuesliMuesli Posts: 202


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    Not exactly 5* recruits.
    Mel Stride is a weird one. He's obviously a pawn sacrifice for the wet faction.

    Kemi being a Goveite plant, I would have imagined the plan is to get a leftie vs. Kemi, Kemi wins.

    But if they're worried about Kemi going rogue, then it really looks desperate. Stride, Tugendhat and Cleverly are fairly uninspiring choices.
    Stride running to make sure he remains in Shad Cabinet?
    Ain’t nothin’ gonna break Mel Stride
    Nobody gonna slow Mel down
    Oh no, he’s got to keep on moving


    I hope he names Laura Trott as his running mate* just for the #madbantz.

    (*Yes, yes, I know it doesn’t work like that.)
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    I see Nasdaq 100 is now down over 1,650 points from its 20,690 high on 10th July. Almost into correction territory.

    You wants to make our flesh creep. I mean that is shit for anyone who bought the index on 9 July, and an imperceptible pinprick for the long term buyer and holder.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,410

    It they’re not careful, Liz Truss is potentially going to be the millstone around the neck of every Tory leader for years to come.

    Every time she pops up right-minded people are going to say to themselves “oh look, it’s that insane lunatic Liz Truss saying something dense again, god weren’t the Tories negligent in the extreme to put her in charge of the country” and it will remind everyone about just how ridiculous the Tories got at their nadir.

    They should Krushchev secret speech her and forever banish her from the annals of the Party. Only a full repudiation will do. Even then it might not work.

    I think you'll find we just had the nadir - all 175 lost seats of it. And that was under the self-titled 'grown ups'.

    Given that the democrats thought nothing of trashing the democratic niceties to attack Truss's policies publicly (though to be fair, Biden was probably already considerably impaired by that time), I am not surprised she considers it fair game to speak her mind on US politics.
    What I find odd about you, more than anything, is that those who broadly agree with what Truss was trying to do should really be the FIRST to want her to, er, keep a dignified silence.

    She is just killing the policy position you espouse every time she appears.
    She really isn't. Beyond the centrist gammons of PB having apoplectic fits and banging their little paws on the table every time Truss dares to have an opinion, most of the world either doesn't know, doesn't care, is mildly diverted, thinks she's a bit crazy, or thinks she's right - in about that order. The world isn't PB.
    I take it from this you don't knock on doors. She's toxic. I actually think that's a little unfair, but she is.
    Then all the more reason to keep making the arguments. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    Truss never had an idea in her life beyond fangirl cargo cult lafferism. Are we even talking about the same person?
    There's a subtle (well, complete) difference between not having an idea, and having an idea that you happen to disagree with.
    Dead wrong. I am a Thatcherite at heart. Truss and you think Truss was, and you are wrong. Analogously, I like riding bikes. Truss is someone who came up with the idea of constructing a road bike out of Lego. It's no good saying I am anti bike when what I am anti is fecking eejits.
    You should watch her triggernometry (sp?) interview. Truss makes a very powerful point about the growing power of institutions under the Blairite constitutional settlement - civil service, quangos, the courts - making it very difficult for those Thatcherite policies that you admire ever to be implemented again. Whoever tries to unravel the gordian knot is going to have to have a lot more political smarts than Truss, but it's important that they also listen to and understand her experiences of the issues within her Ministerial and Prime-Ministerial roles.
    Hitchens Minor comes out with this stuff about Blair embedding Marxism into the British constitution. (Sir Keir, apparently, will continue the revolution but on amphetamines.) All seems rather far fetched to me. I'd like to hear some examples.
    I don't think it's really about embedding marxism (though there is undoubtedly a sort of group-think) but there most certainly is a growing movement to constrain the actions of politicians using the power of the courts etc.

    A recent straw in the wind is the judgement that it was an example of 'discrimination' for Suella Braverman to drop two recommendations of an independent report into Windrush that had been accepted by Priti Patel. These recommendations were to set up a 'Migrants Commissioner', and to strengthen the powers of the ICIBI - both actions would increase the power of political appointees over elected politicians.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jun/19/suella-bravermans-decision-to-drop-windrush-recommendations-unlawful-court-rules

    I find it quite bizarre that the court can have taken the power to make that sort of decision (or declare the opposite illegal) on itself.

    A different example, also pertaining to immigration, is the OBR's methodology massively skewing in favour of the economical growth benefits of immigration. This means that any Government that wants headroom to cut taxes cannot make plans to reduce immigration meaningfully, because the OBR will slash their economic growth forecast, and the Government will have a 'black hole' in their finances. That's why Truss wanted Braverman to shut up about immigration and why she was happy to sack Braverman when she broke the Ministerial code.

    Two random examples, but an example of a policy area where the ability of politicians to act is gradually being constricted boa style.

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,207


    Sophy Ridge
    @SophyRidgeSky
    SEVEN candidates have asked for & been given Tory leadership packs so far:

    James Cleverly
    Priti Patel
    Robert Jenrick
    Kemi Badenoch
    Tom Tugendhat
    Mel Stride
    Suella Braverman

    So that's two potential damp candidates (Tugendhat, Stride), two offering shades of continuity (Cleverly, Badenoch), three red-meaters (Patel, Jenrick and Braverman). Winning post to be sure of getting to the final round is 40. (What happens if it's 41:40:40? Do they have a play-off?)

    Who wins each lane, and which two lanes make it to the membership?
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