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Will the quiet man be back and turning up the volume? – politicalbetting.com

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edited August 4 in General
Will the quiet man be back and turning up the volume? – politicalbetting.com

Two broad options emerging from 1922 exec and party figures in recent days, per those tapped in:: New Tory leader is picked at conference (which starts late September… so just over 2 months):: New Tory leader is picked later, with candidates using conf to set out stalls

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  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    A ridiculous idea. So it will probably happen
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 16,985
    edited July 19
    First? Unlike the Tories for a decade possibly.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,873
    Is this just an indirect way of saying that Sunak wants to bugger off to California?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,624
    Hopefully a QTWTAIN
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 7,938
    Is that the same IDS who has been encouraging violent protest against ULEZ cameras?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12458065/Sir-Iain-Smith-ULEZ-vandals-Tory-MP.html

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,624
    I'm not sure that Callaghan's hanging on is the best precedent for the Tories, tbh.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 16,985
    I don't see the point of a leader selected for a couple of months until you get the proper one. They will be as lame a duck as Sunak. A leader chosen for a particular job of preparing the party for opposition before passing the baton might make some sense. You would need to go through the process for that however.
  • A caretaker leader for a couple of years while they think things through properly is quite sensible
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,660
    Similar sort of confused logjam seems to be emerging in Plaid Llafur. Looks like nobody wants the job and nobody can agree on a timetable for sorting things out.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,607
    ydoethur said:

    Similar sort of confused logjam seems to be emerging in Plaid Llafur. Looks like nobody wants the job and nobody can agree on a timetable for sorting things out.

    Time for the return of Drakeford.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,529
    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479
  • Uber hack apparently in progress causing widespread worldwide chaos. Not going to be a good day for Microsoft.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,424
    edited July 19
    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,607
    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    Apple for the win.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,760
    Eabhal said:

    Is that the same IDS who has been encouraging violent protest against ULEZ cameras?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12458065/Sir-Iain-Smith-ULEZ-vandals-Tory-MP.html

    How can you be violent against a camera?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,607

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Nigel Farage incorrectly blaming the darkies?

    No, I am shocked.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,390

    Uber hack apparently in progress causing widespread worldwide chaos. Not going to be a good day for Microsoft.

    FPT. Not a hack as such. A security software update that is bricking machines.

    Today will be a very good day for backup software and disaster recovery vendors.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,390
    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    Raises hand slowly...
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  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,221

    Eabhal said:

    Is that the same IDS who has been encouraging violent protest against ULEZ cameras?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12458065/Sir-Iain-Smith-ULEZ-vandals-Tory-MP.html

    How can you be violent against a camera?
    In the same way you can be violent against a painting or a snooker table. But that's different apparently.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,873

    Uber hack apparently in progress causing widespread worldwide chaos. Not going to be a good day for Microsoft.

    If only there was a system for summoning a cab by, I don't know, maybe waving your arm in the air?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,760

    Eabhal said:

    Is that the same IDS who has been encouraging violent protest against ULEZ cameras?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12458065/Sir-Iain-Smith-ULEZ-vandals-Tory-MP.html

    How can you be violent against a camera?
    In the same way you can be violent against a painting or a snooker table. But that's different apparently.
    Quite. If we're now classifying vandalism as violent crime, we'd better get going on prison building.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,383

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Whatever the spark I suspect the rioters will be representative cross-section of all ethnicities of the local youth community.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,383

    Eabhal said:

    Is that the same IDS who has been encouraging violent protest against ULEZ cameras?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12458065/Sir-Iain-Smith-ULEZ-vandals-Tory-MP.html

    How can you be violent against a camera?
    In the same way you can be violent against a painting or a snooker table. But that's different apparently.
    Only to the perpetrators.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 16,985

    Eabhal said:

    Is that the same IDS who has been encouraging violent protest against ULEZ cameras?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12458065/Sir-Iain-Smith-ULEZ-vandals-Tory-MP.html

    How can you be violent against a camera?
    In the same way you can be violent against a painting or a snooker table. But that's different apparently.
    Quite. If we're now classifying vandalism as violent crime, we'd better get going on prison building.
    Mind you, the M25 protestors were imprisoned for five years on arguments that are similar to those of IDS about vandalising speed cameras.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,383
    edited July 19
    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    This Microsoft issue looks like it's going to be huge. Time to buy shares in Apple? (DYOR)

    Edit: PB more resilient than Sky News, well done RCS!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,548
    Mr. Sandpit, I hope that's relatively good news.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,664

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Nigel Farage incorrectly blaming the darkies?

    No, I am shocked.
    Careful now. I nearly got in real trouble in the election because I tweeted about racists using the word darkies…
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,604
    Sky News??
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,664

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Whatever the spark I suspect the rioters will be representative cross-section of all ethnicities of the local youth community.
    They were. Despite the Britain First et al tweets about Muslims there is video of white guys smashing up the police car - one using a girl’s pink scooter. Local Green councillor - one of the pro Gaza ones - repeatedly smeared as being a rioter. No, he’s there *stopping* the rioters. Or trying to.

    Doesn’t matter what started it. They riot because they have nothing.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,535

    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    This Microsoft issue looks like it's going to be huge. Time to buy shares in Apple? (DYOR)

    Edit: PB more resilient than Sky News, well done RCS!
    It's a Crowdstrike issue. They've jiggered an update.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 7,938
    FF43 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Is that the same IDS who has been encouraging violent protest against ULEZ cameras?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12458065/Sir-Iain-Smith-ULEZ-vandals-Tory-MP.html

    How can you be violent against a camera?
    In the same way you can be violent against a painting or a snooker table. But that's different apparently.
    Quite. If we're now classifying vandalism as violent crime, we'd better get going on prison building.
    Mind you, the M25 protestors were imprisoned for five years on arguments that are similar to those of IDS about vandalising speed cameras.
    And they didn't even set bombs off!

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/08/bomb-attack-ulez-camera-grotesquely-irresponsible-london-mayor
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,024

    Sky News??

    Ah, the antivirus virus? That would explain it. Well, one positive at least.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,891

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Nature abhors Farage, if it has any sense.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,891
    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    Does the fix posted on the thread you link to work ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,607
    Feck!

    Does this mean I won’t be able to watch the test match on Sky Sports?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,424

    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    This Microsoft issue looks like it's going to be huge. Time to buy shares in Apple? (DYOR)

    Edit: PB more resilient than Sky News, well done RCS!
    The Microsoft outage appears to be mostly confined to North America.

    The Crowdstrike outage is worldwide, looks like a dodgy daily virus signature update went out at 05:20GMT which immediately caused half the computers to BSOD and reboot loop.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,494

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    It’s an old media problem. Which results in all kinds of problems - quite often senior politicians don’t know what is really happening. Unless they get briefings from the police…

    A minor example. Some years ago, some Chinese immigrants died while cockle picking on a beach. Because of a refusal to report the facts, all kinds of wild policies and ideas were mooted to crack down on the exploitation of migrant labour.

    It then was revealed, many weeks later that the company and people running the disaster, were themselves Chinese. And from the same region of China as the victims.

    Which is utterly unsurprising to those who follow such things - the classic is for someone from an ethnic group to employee people from their culture back home. Making sure they don’t speak English. This pattern has been seen many times, in many countries.

    Similarly, the various exploiters of immigrants today, tend to come from their ethnic group. Who are very adroit at using “cultural practises” and “they are my cousins” to evade the rules. See the garment trade in Leicester, for example.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,424
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    Does the fix posted on the thread you link to work ?
    Yes, but only temporarily.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,494

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Whatever the spark I suspect the rioters will be representative cross-section of all ethnicities of the local youth community.
    Definitely the bit where the only release from oppression is interest free, payment free, VAT free shopping.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,424

    Mr. Sandpit, I hope that's relatively good news.

    It’s better news than a cyber attack, but still means I’m not having much of a weekend.

    Which is right pain in the arse, because we’re supposed to be going away to a nice hotel tomorrow as it was Wifey’s birthday this week.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,024
    Oh thank goodness PB is unaffected by the IT apocalypse.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,891
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    Does the fix posted on the thread you link to work ?
    Yes, but only temporarily.
    Commiserations.
    Good luck with the rest of your day.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,383
    edited July 19
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    This Microsoft issue looks like it's going to be huge. Time to buy shares in Apple? (DYOR)

    Edit: PB more resilient than Sky News, well done RCS!
    The Microsoft outage appears to be mostly confined to North America.

    The Crowdstrike outage is worldwide, looks like a dodgy daily virus signature update went out at 05:20GMT which immediately caused half the computers to BSOD and reboot loop.
    Begs the question why anyone would continue to use an operating system that relies on a separate paid for virus checker?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,024
    mwadams said:

    What a dreadful notion. There's only 121 of them. They need to be careful they don't use up all the leaders too quickly, if the last parliament is anything to go by.

    Time for leadership by collective.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,494
    Nigelb said:

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Nature abhors Farage, if it has any sense.
    Which is exactly why the truth is required.

    The clearly stated truth is garlic and silver crosses + holy water to the ugly kind of populism.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,548
    Mr. Sandpit, sorry to hear that, hope things can be mended rapidly.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,383

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Whatever the spark I suspect the rioters will be representative cross-section of all ethnicities of the local youth community.
    Definitely the bit where the only release from oppression is interest free, payment free, VAT free shopping.
    No defending it obvs, but this is hardly a new phenomenon.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,891
    edited July 19
    @IanB2 FPT
    The Zelenskiy request was for permission to use UK long range weapons to target Russian military sites which are being used to attack Ukrainian hospitals, not to attack Russian hospitals.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,383
    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Sandpit, I hope that's relatively good news.

    It’s better news than a cyber attack, but still means I’m not having much of a weekend.

    Which is right pain in the arse, because we’re supposed to be going away to a nice hotel tomorrow as it was Wifey’s birthday this week.
    That's a sod - sorry to hear it. Good luck with the recovery and clean up.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,494

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Whatever the spark I suspect the rioters will be representative cross-section of all ethnicities of the local youth community.
    Definitely the bit where the only release from oppression is interest free, payment free, VAT free shopping.
    No defending it obvs, but this is hardly a new phenomenon.
    It’s been a joke since the Rodney King riots, if not before.

    The London riots were rather funny in some respects. The Polish and Vietnamese joining together to go Rooftop Korean in Hoxton, for example.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,383
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    Does the fix posted on the thread you link to work ?
    Yes, but only temporarily.
    Presume you are also left with no virus protection with that 'fix'?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,383
    US airlines issue global ground stop on all flights
    published at 08:31
    08:31
    BREAKING
    United, Delta and American Airlines - which are all based in the United States - have issued a "global ground stop" on all of their flights.
    Flights that are currently airborne will continue, but no further flights will take off for now.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnk4jdwp49et
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,130

    Sky News??

    As reported by Sky News, or news on Sky or something:-

    The outage appears to be affecting Windows PCs globally, including Sky News in the UK which was not able to broadcast live TV on Friday morning.
    https://news.sky.com/story/mass-it-outage-hits-companies-around-the-world-as-planes-grounded-13180809
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,383
    Good job it's not a busy travel weekend, eh? :(
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,494
    Nigelb said:

    @IanB2 FPT
    The Zelenskiy request was for permission to use UK long range weapons to target Russian military sites which are being used to attack Ukrainian hospitals, not to attack Russian hospitals.

    No no.

    The Ukrainian request was for lifting the smoking ban at various Russian military facilities.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,424

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    This Microsoft issue looks like it's going to be huge. Time to buy shares in Apple? (DYOR)

    Edit: PB more resilient than Sky News, well done RCS!
    The Microsoft outage appears to be mostly confined to North America.

    The Crowdstrike outage is worldwide, looks like a dodgy daily virus signature update went out at 05:20GMT which immediately caused half the computers to BSOD and reboot loop.
    Begs the question why anyone would continue to use an operating system that relies on a separate paid for virus checker.
    I’m actually a fan of Windows Defender as an antivirus product.

    Where the full AV software suites come in useful, is for more general ‘endpoint management’ of software versions, patches etc.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,383

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Whatever the spark I suspect the rioters will be representative cross-section of all ethnicities of the local youth community.
    Definitely the bit where the only release from oppression is interest free, payment free, VAT free shopping.
    No defending it obvs, but this is hardly a new phenomenon.
    It’s been a joke since the Rodney King riots, if not before.

    The London riots were rather funny in some respects. The Polish and Vietnamese joining together to go Rooftop Korean in Hoxton, for example.
    I look forward to hearing your solution ;-)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,424
    edited July 19

    Nigelb said:

    @IanB2 FPT
    The Zelenskiy request was for permission to use UK long range weapons to target Russian military sites which are being used to attack Ukrainian hospitals, not to attack Russian hospitals.

    No no.

    The Ukrainian request was for lifting the smoking ban at various Russian military facilities.
    That didn’t work. There’s still loads of Russian military facilities smoking. Some of them properly went on fire (as they used to say in Glasgow).
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,390

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    This Microsoft issue looks like it's going to be huge. Time to buy shares in Apple? (DYOR)

    Edit: PB more resilient than Sky News, well done RCS!
    The Microsoft outage appears to be mostly confined to North America.

    The Crowdstrike outage is worldwide, looks like a dodgy daily virus signature update went out at 05:20GMT which immediately caused half the computers to BSOD and reboot loop.
    Begs the question why anyone would continue to use an operating system that relies on a separate paid for virus checker?
    Crowdstrike is WAAAYYYY more than just anti-virus, which is what makes it so dangerous powerful...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,424
    edited July 19

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    Does the fix posted on the thread you link to work ?
    Yes, but only temporarily.
    Presume you are also left with no virus protection with that 'fix'?
    Correct, and it also immediately tries to reinstall itself, which makes the computer crash again.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,008
    The trouble the Tories have is they will be competing for attention as opposition to Labour.

    The Lib Dems are a large parliamentary force and can cause trouble for the Tories if they position in a way that is hostile to more socially liberal but nimby areas in the south of England they want to win back.

    Reform will be a significant media force with Farage a media favourite before he had a seat in Parliament, and will be more so now. This will create pressure on the Tories to remain hard-line on 'woke' and migration.

    All of this while the Tories ideally want to position fairly neutrally in order to take advantage of inevitable Labour mistakes.

    I can see the advantage of Sunak staying on as interim leader for a prolonged period to let the candidates campaign from a more settled place.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,494

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Whatever the spark I suspect the rioters will be representative cross-section of all ethnicities of the local youth community.
    Definitely the bit where the only release from oppression is interest free, payment free, VAT free shopping.
    No defending it obvs, but this is hardly a new phenomenon.
    It’s been a joke since the Rodney King riots, if not before.

    The London riots were rather funny in some respects. The Polish and Vietnamese joining together to go Rooftop Korean in Hoxton, for example.
    I look forward to hearing your solution ;-)
    I have none. Except, perhaps, an impromptu militia of Vietnamese chefs and Polish corner shop owners.

    It was amusing to watch them sitting behind the row of shops, smoking, sharing beers and admiring each others machetes and baseball bats. A community coming together - a merging of cultures. Quite heart warming, really.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 954
    Eabhal said:

    Is that the same IDS who has been encouraging violent protest against ULEZ cameras?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12458065/Sir-Iain-Smith-ULEZ-vandals-Tory-MP.html

    Cool
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,796
    FF43 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Is that the same IDS who has been encouraging violent protest against ULEZ cameras?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12458065/Sir-Iain-Smith-ULEZ-vandals-Tory-MP.html

    How can you be violent against a camera?
    In the same way you can be violent against a painting or a snooker table. But that's different apparently.
    Quite. If we're now classifying vandalism as violent crime, we'd better get going on prison building.
    Mind you, the M25 protestors were imprisoned for five years on arguments that are similar to those of IDS about vandalising speed cameras.
    Interesting case. The ring leader is a 58 year old professional protester who has spent his life moving on from one protest to another some flimsier than others.

    This latest one has cost the tax payer and private employers over £3,000,000. Though the sentence seems long If there were no consequences his status as a desperado would be seriously enfeebled
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,607

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Nigel Farage incorrectly blaming the darkies?

    No, I am shocked.
    Careful now. I nearly got in real trouble in the election because I tweeted about racists using the word darkies…
    It’s fine, I can get away with it.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,130
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    Does the fix posted on the thread you link to work ?
    Yes, but only temporarily.
    Presume you are also left with no virus protection with that 'fix'?
    Correct, and it also immediately tries to reinstall itself, which makes the computer crash again.
    Funny how this Crowdstrike outage casts a light on RP's complaint yesterday about forced patches and reboots on Windows. Perhaps some companies will in the next few days consider going back to the old days when patches were tested in dedicated environments before being rolled out more widely. Immediate patching helps protect against zero-day exploits but as we see today, and used more often to be the case in the past, sometimes vendor-issued patches can be harmful.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,235

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Whatever the spark I suspect the rioters will be representative cross-section of all ethnicities of the local youth community.
    Very possibly fighting each other.

    The Page Hall disturbances in Sheffield have often featured conflict between those of Pakistani and East European Roma background:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/15/sheffield-page-hall-roma-slovakia-immigration
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03/roma-tire-shouldering-blame-boiling-pot-communities

    Harehills in Leeds has close similarities in terms of deprivation and demographics.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Whatever the spark I suspect the rioters will be representative cross-section of all ethnicities of the local youth community.
    Definitely the bit where the only release from oppression is interest free, payment free, VAT free shopping.
    No defending it obvs, but this is hardly a new phenomenon.
    It’s been a joke since the Rodney King riots, if not before.

    The London riots were rather funny in some respects. The Polish and Vietnamese joining together to go Rooftop Korean in Hoxton, for example.
    I look forward to hearing your solution ;-)
    I have none. Except, perhaps, an impromptu militia of Vietnamese chefs and Polish corner shop owners.

    It was amusing to watch them sitting behind the row of shops, smoking, sharing beers and admiring each others machetes and baseball bats. A community coming together - a merging of cultures. Quite heart warming, really.
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,108

    Eabhal said:

    Is that the same IDS who has been encouraging violent protest against ULEZ cameras?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12458065/Sir-Iain-Smith-ULEZ-vandals-Tory-MP.html

    How can you be violent against a camera?
    I was about to be glib then I realised you were making a point about whether the word "violent" can be directed against a non-living thing. I think it can, so I don't have a problem with the phrase.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,891
    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    This Microsoft issue looks like it's going to be huge. Time to buy shares in Apple? (DYOR)

    Edit: PB more resilient than Sky News, well done RCS!
    The Microsoft outage appears to be mostly confined to North America.

    The Crowdstrike outage is worldwide, looks like a dodgy daily virus signature update went out at 05:20GMT which immediately caused half the computers to BSOD and reboot loop.
    Begs the question why anyone would continue to use an operating system that relies on a separate paid for virus checker?
    Crowdstrike is WAAAYYYY more than just anti-virus, which is what makes it so dangerous powerful...
    It seems to have lived up to its name this morning.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,046

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    Nigel Farage incorrectly blaming the darkies?

    No, I am shocked.
    Careful now. I nearly got in real trouble in the election because I tweeted about racists using the word darkies…
    It’s fine, I can get away with it.
    An Asian friend who quit Thatcher's Britain for Reagan's America said he preferred the USA where he was regarded as 'off white' rather than 'off black'.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,891
    Sunak seems to be doing a rather better job of leading the opposition than he did as PM.
    So they probably will replace him with someone genuinely useless at the job, like IDS.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,390
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    This Microsoft issue looks like it's going to be huge. Time to buy shares in Apple? (DYOR)

    Edit: PB more resilient than Sky News, well done RCS!
    The Microsoft outage appears to be mostly confined to North America.

    The Crowdstrike outage is worldwide, looks like a dodgy daily virus signature update went out at 05:20GMT which immediately caused half the computers to BSOD and reboot loop.
    Begs the question why anyone would continue to use an operating system that relies on a separate paid for virus checker?
    Crowdstrike is WAAAYYYY more than just anti-virus, which is what makes it so dangerous powerful...
    It seems to have lived up to its name this morning.
    @troyhunt
    This is basically what we were all worried about with Y2K, except it's actually happened this time ☠️
  • FlannerFlanner Posts: 437
    Ratters said:

    The trouble the Tories have is they will be competing for attention as opposition to Labour.

    The Lib Dems are a large parliamentary force and can cause trouble for the Tories if they position in a way that is hostile to more socially liberal but nimby areas in the south of England they want to win back.

    Reform will be a significant media force with Farage a media favourite before he had a seat in Parliament, and will be more so now. This will create pressure on the Tories to remain hard-line on 'woke' and migration.

    All of this while the Tories ideally want to position fairly neutrally in order to take advantage of inevitable Labour mistakes.

    I can see the advantage of Sunak staying on as interim leader for a prolonged period to let the candidates campaign from a more settled place.

    No-one seems very interested about the debate within the LibDems on what's often misdescribed as "nimby areas".

    The social pressure for more housing is just as keen in the Cotswolds (where the LDs are close now to having every MP and controlling every District council) as anywhere else. Full-fat Nimbyism is rare in such places - and usually the preserve of Tory extremists, not LD well-wishers. Development-related iffiness under the Tories was primarily about providing adequate infrastructure (like water supply, primary schools and public transport) or perceived unaffordability. After all: even the Nimbyest of country-dwellers have children and grandchildren squeezed by accelerating house prices in places those descendants want to live in.

    Personally, I believe that the recent LD electoral successes are primarily down to the LDs' better reflecting the modern psychographics of rural and suburban England than a Tory party that now looks downright medieval. And the current batch of LD MPs reflect this. Expect policies to morph as a result
  • FossFoss Posts: 911
    Given the weather this CloudStrike issue may be bad for GDP but very good for cash-taking pubs!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,415

    Uber hack apparently in progress causing widespread worldwide chaos. Not going to be a good day for Microsoft.

    Been using Apple since 1994, can't believe anyone still uses MS.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,046

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    It’s an old media problem. Which results in all kinds of problems - quite often senior politicians don’t know what is really happening. Unless they get briefings from the police…

    A minor example. Some years ago, some Chinese immigrants died while cockle picking on a beach. Because of a refusal to report the facts, all kinds of wild policies and ideas were mooted to crack down on the exploitation of migrant labour.

    It then was revealed, many weeks later that the company and people running the disaster, were themselves Chinese. And from the same region of China as the victims.

    Which is utterly unsurprising to those who follow such things - the classic is for someone from an ethnic group to employee people from their culture back home. Making sure they don’t speak English. This pattern has been seen many times, in many countries.

    Similarly, the various exploiters of immigrants today, tend to come from their ethnic group. Who are very adroit at using “cultural practises” and “they are my cousins” to evade the rules. See the garment trade in Leicester, for example.
    It's the 'gangmaster' concept: the antithesis of an open labour market free of discrimination. There's even a government agency to promote it:

    https://www.gla.gov.uk/

    They also manage labour abuse, apparently.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,235
    So it seems that the UK scientific establishment was too prone to 'groupthink' and unwilling to challenge the orthodoxy during covid.

    And too in love with their 'world leading' plan to consider things which were mundanely common sense such as to restrict travel from countries where covid was prevalent.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9472qxk1vo

    Was one of these group thinking scientists Patrick Vallance - then Government Chief Scientific Advisor and now Minister of Science.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,390
    Foss said:

    Given the weather this CloudStrike issue may be bad for GDP but very good for cash-taking pubs!

    Today was due to be the busiest day for flights this year.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,146
    Andy_JS said:

    Uber hack apparently in progress causing widespread worldwide chaos. Not going to be a good day for Microsoft.

    Been using Apple since 1994, can't believe anyone still uses MS.
    Every major (and minor) company I have ever worked with uses MS. It remains the industry standard in a way Apple never could. As a result, for ease, millions of people also use it at home. The Apple OS is simply too constraining.

    And the longer this goes on the more it looks like this is specific to Crowdstrike rather than an MS issue.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,146
    Andy_JS said:

    Sounds like cash might be quite useful today, hearing the news about the computer problems.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnk4jdwp49et

    Don't tell Anabob.... :)
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 983
    As the Tories will need at least three leaders before 2029 perhaps they could select them all now, each having an 18 month stint, saving everyone a lot of bother.
  • FossFoss Posts: 911
    Andy_JS said:

    Uber hack apparently in progress causing widespread worldwide chaos. Not going to be a good day for Microsoft.

    Been using Apple since 1994, can't believe anyone still uses MS.
    At work the majority of people use what they are given. Hell, a good number of corporate IT policies ban the use of shadow personal systems.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,415

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    This Microsoft issue looks like it's going to be huge. Time to buy shares in Apple? (DYOR)

    Edit: PB more resilient than Sky News, well done RCS!
    The Microsoft outage appears to be mostly confined to North America.

    The Crowdstrike outage is worldwide, looks like a dodgy daily virus signature update went out at 05:20GMT which immediately caused half the computers to BSOD and reboot loop.
    Begs the question why anyone would continue to use an operating system that relies on a separate paid for virus checker?
    Good point.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,415
    Never rely on one computer system. I thought that was something everyone understood.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,130

    So it seems that the UK scientific establishment was too prone to 'groupthink' and unwilling to challenge the orthodoxy during covid.

    And too in love with their 'world leading' plan to consider things which were mundanely common sense such as to restrict travel from countries where covid was prevalent.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9472qxk1vo

    Was one of these group thinking scientists Patrick Vallance - then Government Chief Scientific Advisor and now Minister of Science.

    I expect so. One other thing to watch out for is reverse ferreting by those who yesterday applauded or dismissed Hallett because they hoped or feared respectively that it was attacking the then-Conservative government.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,455
    edited July 19
    Morning all, what a hero Judge Christopher Hehir is.

    Doubtless he'll be thrown under the bus by the usual suspects.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,677
    Sandpit said:

    Hope none of the rest of PB is using Crowdstrike antivirus software, because they just managed to crash millions of computers all at once.

    https://x.com/jeffmorgannz/status/1814165693883105695

    Think of your poor IT guy, when you’re in the pub watching the cricket.

    I own a few Crowdstrike shares.

    I guess I can write that off now.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,415
    CASH
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,310

    Andy_JS said:

    Uber hack apparently in progress causing widespread worldwide chaos. Not going to be a good day for Microsoft.

    Been using Apple since 1994, can't believe anyone still uses MS.
    The problem is not people like you with discombobulated laptops, it is all those companies running Windows on servers as part of their computing and ecommerce infrastructure. Their choice is (mainly) Linux or Windows because Apple is not in the servers business.
    Thankfully we use Linux servers and Linux-based development environments.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,139
    Until a new leader is selected they may as well keep Sunak who seems more relaxed and at ease in opposition with the pressure off. IDS is now a backbench grandee but won't be leader again
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,235
    Quite a few articles recently about how Germany is in decline:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckvgkgq9yeqo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZZ-Yni8Fg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf04WMlRvXk

    Now I remember when GDR Merkel was widely lauded on PB, hailed as the leader British politicians should imitate.

    Does anyone have a good word about her now ?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,494

    Last night's riots in Leeds highlight the issue with new media.

    According to the Beeb, the initial trigger for the violence was "Several witnesses told the BBC overnight events were sparked by a number of children being taken into local authority care." (1) Neither they nor the Guardian (2) does not state who was rioting.

    On Twitter, some sources say the riots were instigated by Romanies, whose children had been taken into care. Others - such as Nigel Farage, blame people from the 'subcontinent'. (3)

    Some of the alleged pictures of the rioters do not look like they're from the 'subcontinent' (though looks can be deceptive); and some shared images showing rioters are from previous events - in one case not even in the UK.

    So reading all this, I have zero idea *who* was rioting. I can understand why the media and politicians want to be careful, as blaming the wrong people can cause issues - and besides, it might just have been a hot summer's evening riot, with everyone joining in the fun, and no 'main' group. But nature abhors a vacuum, and in this case misinformation has already won.

    (1); https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy795we0vngo
    (2): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/18/police-car-turned-over-and-vehicles-set-alight-in-disorder-in-leeds
    (3): https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1814047452212740479

    It’s an old media problem. Which results in all kinds of problems - quite often senior politicians don’t know what is really happening. Unless they get briefings from the police…

    A minor example. Some years ago, some Chinese immigrants died while cockle picking on a beach. Because of a refusal to report the facts, all kinds of wild policies and ideas were mooted to crack down on the exploitation of migrant labour.

    It then was revealed, many weeks later that the company and people running the disaster, were themselves Chinese. And from the same region of China as the victims.

    Which is utterly unsurprising to those who follow such things - the classic is for someone from an ethnic group to employee people from their culture back home. Making sure they don’t speak English. This pattern has been seen many times, in many countries.

    Similarly, the various exploiters of immigrants today, tend to come from their ethnic group. Who are very adroit at using “cultural practises” and “they are my cousins” to evade the rules. See the garment trade in Leicester, for example.
    It's the 'gangmaster' concept: the antithesis of an open labour market free of discrimination. There's even a government agency to promote it:

    https://www.gla.gov.uk/

    They also manage labour abuse, apparently.
    Well, obviously you need to manage labour abuse.

    Imagine the H&S issues of beating a worker with a stick - is the person doing the beating wearing safety goggles? Are they to the appropriate spec?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,390

    Andy_JS said:

    Uber hack apparently in progress causing widespread worldwide chaos. Not going to be a good day for Microsoft.

    Been using Apple since 1994, can't believe anyone still uses MS.
    The problem is not people like you with discombobulated laptops, it is all those companies running Windows on servers as part of their computing and ecommerce infrastructure. Their choice is (mainly) Linux or Windows because Apple is not in the servers business.
    Thankfully we use Linux servers and Linux-based development environments.
    Crowdstrike have a Linux client :)
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