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The first key result sees a 16.5% Con to Lab swing. – politicalbetting.com

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  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,069
    ITV coverage in a different league to Sky and BBC. Even if this woman has just said 'disinterested' when she means 'uninterested'.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,472
    Clive Myrie on BBC: the story of the night is Reform doing so well and beating the Tories in the North East.

    Me: the story of the night is that Labour is winning a landslide majority.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,515
    Andy_JS said:

    Labour's vote down 10,000 in Newcastle Central. Definitely wasn't expecting that.

    https://electionresults.parliament.uk/elections/2368

    Lab -13.6%
    Ref +10.7%
    Con -16.3%
    Ind +8.8%
    Oth +6.5%

    It’s a different constituency now with a lot of the more deprived and multi cultural west-end.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,875

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Notice in all the seats declared so far the swing from Tories to Reform/BXP as was is bigger than the swing to Labour

    Notice in all the seats declared so far, Labour won.

    Run after the Reform vote and you'll deserve to lose your current voters and current seats to get what Reform have instead.
    More 2019 Tory voters have defected to Reform than Labour, that is just what the results show. Yes it needs both regained to win but the former are bigger so far
    But if you chase Reform votes, you lose votes to Lab/LD. The proportion of post-truth nutters in the UK is probably only about 25%, and you're not going to win elections with that.
    Do we? If you are voting Tory even now you are likely Tory until you die. If you are voting Reform however and voted Tory in 2019 that is more a protest vote with no love for Labour either
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,275
    https://x.com/journoamrogers/status/1809007849978134991

    Growing concern within Labour about losing Barnsley East and Yvette Cooper’s seat of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford to Reform
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited July 4
    The ITV lady is annoying me know. She clearly has a narrative that she formed prior to the exit poll about why the result would be the way it was and trying to retrofit everything into that e.g. turn-out. Osborne just picked her up on it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour's vote down 10,000 in Newcastle Central. Definitely wasn't expecting that.

    https://electionresults.parliament.uk/elections/2368

    Lab -13.6%
    Ref +10.7%
    Con -16.3%
    Ind +8.8%
    Oth +6.5%

    Eh? She got 21,000 last time
    It's a new seat. The notional result was Labour on 28,520 votes.

    https://electionresults.parliament.uk/elections/2368
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour's vote down 10,000 in Newcastle Central. Definitely wasn't expecting that.

    https://electionresults.parliament.uk/elections/2368

    Lab -13.6%
    Ref +10.7%
    Con -16.3%
    Ind +8.8%
    Oth +6.5%

    Eh? She got 21,000 last time
    Gaza
    So she’s down just over 2,000
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 976

    https://x.com/journoamrogers/status/1809007849978134991

    Growing concern within Labour about losing Barnsley East and Yvette Cooper’s seat of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford to Reform

    I'll believe it when I see it
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818

    https://x.com/journoamrogers/status/1809007849978134991

    Growing concern within Labour about losing Barnsley East and Yvette Cooper’s seat of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford to Reform

    would love that
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 812
    @Quincel 's amazing 8/1 tip we're all on is as good as won now right?
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,022
    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes

    Rishi Sunak will announce his resignation as Conservative Party leader on Friday morning, the political commentator Tim Shipman has said

    Shipman added that the party will then have to decide whether to launch a leadership contest straight away or draw it out to announce a new leader at the party conference in October

    The spirit of Mystic Meg lives on.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 976
    GIN1138 said:

    Very strange election.

    A Labour landslide but also feels like they are also being put on notice by Reform... If they screw up in the the next five years?

    I think that is exactly what the voters are saying
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,919
    GIN1138 said:

    Very strange election.

    A Labour landslide but also feels like they are also being put on notice by Reform... If they screw up in the the next five years?

    It’s going to be an election of several different stories as always I think.

    Labour are going to do exceptionally well in the traditional marginals.

    The red wall is going to go back to Labour but with Reform surging.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    darkage said:

    Chameleon said:

    Robert Buckland understands how to win young voters back. So they will presumably ignore him.

    Has he talked about building a million homes a year by the end of the parliament? If not he's as clueless as the rest of the useless wets.
    The thing about Buckland is a lot of the things he is complaining about, the decline in standards, all really escalated with Boris Johnson, who he supported.
    Yep, they all stayed quiet when Johnson rode his coach and four through normal political standards.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,704
    BBC’s coverage is very flat.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited July 4

    https://x.com/journoamrogers/status/1809007849978134991

    Growing concern within Labour about losing Barnsley East and Yvette Cooper’s seat of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford to Reform

    Didn't we get a rumour about Mrs Cooper Balls being in spot trouble last week and we all went get out of here....like the thought we would have a July election.

    I won't believe it until I see it though.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,345
    edited July 4
    From the Provinces

    Indepedent Unionist Alex Easton seems to think he is on track to take the seat from Alliance in North Down
    The Ulster Unionist Party, without a Westminster seat, seem confident they have taken South Antrim from the DUP. They have chucked literally everything at that one seat.
    These are remarkably early predictions as we are not known to be fast on the count.

    The only two other swings seats seen as possibly in play in Northern Ireland, East Belfast (Alliance vs DUP) and Lagan Valley (Alliance vs DUP), very little news so far but both reported tight.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,613
    LDs to win Brecon?

    Damn it. I bet against that.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,220

    https://x.com/journoamrogers/status/1809007849978134991

    Growing concern within Labour about losing Barnsley East and Yvette Cooper’s seat of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford to Reform

    Didn't we get a rumour about Mrs Cooper Balls being in trouble last week and we all went get out of here.
    I missed that. Hmmm, looking at the result last time and I can see why they might be a bit nervous. Definitely worth watching ITV.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,247

    https://x.com/journoamrogers/status/1809007849978134991

    Growing concern within Labour about losing Barnsley East and Yvette Cooper’s seat of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford to Reform

    There's no Barnsley East now! It is N & S
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,382
    HYUFD said:

    Newcastle Central

    Labour 18,875
    Reform 7,815
    Cons 4228
    Ind 3627
    Greens 3228
    LDs 1946

    Swing 12% Labour to Reform

    Andy had 2990 Greens. Greens overperforming again. WTAF happened to Labour?
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,168
    Nunu5 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Very strange election.

    A Labour landslide but also feels like they are also being put on notice by Reform... If they screw up in the the next five years?

    I think that is exactly what the voters are saying
    This is nuts, I'm afraid.

    The split on the right isn't a warning for Labour - it is fantastic news for Labour.
  • Isaac Levido will never run an election campaign ever again. Useless.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,613

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour's vote down 10,000 in Newcastle Central. Definitely wasn't expecting that.

    https://electionresults.parliament.uk/elections/2368

    Lab -13.6%
    Ref +10.7%
    Con -16.3%
    Ind +8.8%
    Oth +6.5%

    Eh? She got 21,000 last time
    Gaza
    It's Newcastle, so surely Gazza?
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Pulpstar said:

    https://x.com/journoamrogers/status/1809007849978134991

    Growing concern within Labour about losing Barnsley East and Yvette Cooper’s seat of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford to Reform

    They'll do well to lose Barnsley East seeing as it doesn't exist.
    William’s reading all the wrong bullshit these days. Plato style.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,919
    I will be very disappointed if Yvette Cooper loses. One of my genuinely favourite Labour politicians. I think she’d make a good HS.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,488
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Notice in all the seats declared so far the swing from Tories to Reform/BXP as was is bigger than the swing to Labour

    Notice in all the seats declared so far, Labour won.

    Run after the Reform vote and you'll deserve to lose your current voters and current seats to get what Reform have instead.
    More 2019 Tory voters have defected to Reform than Labour, that is just what the results show. Yes it needs both regained to win but the former are bigger so far
    But if you chase Reform votes, you lose votes to Lab/LD. The proportion of post-truth nutters in the UK is probably only about 25%, and you're not going to win elections with that.
    Do we? If you are voting Tory even now you are likely Tory until you die. If you are voting Reform however and voted Tory in 2019 that is more a protest vote with no love for Labour either
    Well, no. The Conservative party is still a rational party. Not to my taste, but still rational. To get the Reform vote, you have to give up on reason, and that will most definitely lose you even more votes to the centre.
  • EScrymgeourEScrymgeour Posts: 141

    https://x.com/journoamrogers/status/1809007849978134991

    Growing concern within Labour about losing Barnsley East and Yvette Cooper’s seat of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford to Reform

    Didn't we get a rumour about Mrs Cooper Balls being in spot trouble last week and we all went get out of here....like the thought we would have a July election.

    I won't believe it until I see it though.
    Correct.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,613
    Jeremy Corbyn's stomach looks a little unhealthy.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    BBC are forecasting Tories to hold Montgomeryshire, Devon Central, Norfolk South.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Jonathan said:

    BBC’s coverage is very flat.

    Laura must be terribly disappointed though.

    I’ve been on itv.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,709
    GIN1138 said:

    Very strange election.

    A Labour landslide but also feels like they are also being put on notice by Reform... If they screw up in the the next five years?

    True. But the political dynamic will massively change when the governing party isn't ideologically obsessed by Nigel Farage.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    Clive Myrie on BBC: the story of the night is Reform doing so well and beating the Tories in the North East.

    Me: the story of the night is that Labour is winning a landslide majority.

    In fairness it's nearly all been Labour holds so far. The narrative will move once the Tory slaughter begins in the early hours.
  • Labour source suggests Reform will win **fewer** than the 13 seats predicted by the exit poll, per their early data analysis.

    https://x.com/benrileysmith/status/1809011561442464226

    Time to pop some money on Labour beating Tony's 1997 landslide.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    I've lost the link to Andy's spreadsheet, anyone kind enough to share it again?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,275
    Claiming bragging rights in advance - from June 14th:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4835350#Comment_4835350

    I'm standing by my hunch that the Portillo moment will be a prominent Labour MP losing to Reform. An Yvette Cooper or an Ed Miliband.
  • Pulpstar said:

    https://x.com/journoamrogers/status/1809007849978134991

    Growing concern within Labour about losing Barnsley East and Yvette Cooper’s seat of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford to Reform

    They'll do well to lose Barnsley East seeing as it doesn't exist.
    William’s reading all the wrong bullshit these days. Plato style.
    Nah that was the other William Glenn
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    GIN1138 said:

    Very strange election.

    A Labour landslide but also feels like they are also being put on notice by Reform... If they screw up in the the next five years?

    We're getting a skewed view because these particular seats are declaring first. If the first results had been from Berkshire, Oxfordshire, Surrey, we'd be saying very different things.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,168
    Jonathan said:

    BBC’s coverage is very flat.

    It's a very weird period in coverage of any election. After the excitement of the exit poll, there is essentially fuck all in terms of substance for about four hours. Always happens.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,613

    https://x.com/journoamrogers/status/1809007849978134991

    Growing concern within Labour about losing Barnsley East and Yvette Cooper’s seat of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford to Reform

    Oh, I think it's almost certain that Labour will lose Barnsley East. What with it not existing any more, and all.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144
    Labour nervous in Rochdale
  • Andy_JS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Very strange election.

    A Labour landslide but also feels like they are also being put on notice by Reform... If they screw up in the the next five years?

    We're getting a skewed view because these particular seats are declaring first. If the first results had been from Berkshire, Oxfordshire, Surrey, we'd be saying very different things.
    Why is Reform putting Labour on notice anymore than the Tories?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,122

    GIN1138 said:

    Very strange election.

    A Labour landslide but also feels like they are also being put on notice by Reform... If they screw up in the the next five years?

    It’s going to be an election of several different stories as always I think.

    Labour are going to do exceptionally well in the traditional marginals.

    The red wall is going to go back to Labour but with Reform surging.
    Greens and Gaza independents doing well in the cities too.

    it isnt just REFUK.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805

    Jonathan said:

    BBC’s coverage is very flat.

    Laura must be terribly disappointed though.

    I’ve been on itv.
    Is that you George?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,382

    https://x.com/journoamrogers/status/1809007849978134991

    Growing concern within Labour about losing Barnsley East and Yvette Cooper’s seat of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford to Reform

    There's no Barnsley East now! It is N & S
    Also it's "Pontefract, Castleford, Knottingley & Altofts"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,118

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour's vote down 10,000 in Newcastle Central. Definitely wasn't expecting that.

    https://electionresults.parliament.uk/elections/2368

    Lab -13.6%
    Ref +10.7%
    Con -16.3%
    Ind +8.8%
    Oth +6.5%

    Gaza effect?
    Hearing Hamas have lost Gaza South.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,275

    Pulpstar said:

    https://x.com/journoamrogers/status/1809007849978134991

    Growing concern within Labour about losing Barnsley East and Yvette Cooper’s seat of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford to Reform

    They'll do well to lose Barnsley East seeing as it doesn't exist.
    William’s reading all the wrong bullshit these days. Plato style.
    She's a Sky News reporter!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    Andy_JS said:

    BBC are forecasting Tories to hold Montgomeryshire, Devon Central, Norfolk South.

    Is that it? No others?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,613
    IanB2 said:

    Labour nervous in Rochdale

    Hmmm... sounds more like they have regained it.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,099
    @lewis_goodall
    Tories who would lose on the Swindon South swing

    Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg
    Sir Iain Duncan Smith
    Steve Baker
    Bim Afolami
    David T C Davies
    Grant Shapps
    Mark Harper
    Johnny Mercer
    Victoria Prentis
    Damian Green
    Sir Simon Clarke
    Mel Stride
    Chris Philp
    Sir Liam Fox
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC are forecasting Tories to hold Montgomeryshire, Devon Central, Norfolk South.

    Is that it? No others?
    Those are ones I thought the exit poll was saying going to Lab so not sure if they've had some new information.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,919

    Labour source suggests Reform will win **fewer** than the 13 seats predicted by the exit poll, per their early data analysis.

    https://x.com/benrileysmith/status/1809011561442464226

    Time to pop some money on Labour beating Tony's 1997 landslide.

    The 13 feels high. But I think from the results so far they could edge a fair few. So I’ll wait and see.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144

    Andy_JS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Very strange election.

    A Labour landslide but also feels like they are also being put on notice by Reform... If they screw up in the the next five years?

    We're getting a skewed view because these particular seats are declaring first. If the first results had been from Berkshire, Oxfordshire, Surrey, we'd be saying very different things.
    Why is Reform putting Labour on notice anymore than the Tories?
    The challenge for Reform changes now - they’ve been attacking the Tory Gvt and wanting mostly Tory voters. Now they’re in a competition with the Tories as to who can oppose a Labour Gvt more effectively. And they will probably have just a handful of MPs.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,069
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Newcastle Central

    Labour 18,875
    Reform 7,815
    Cons 4228
    Ind 3627
    Greens 3228
    LDs 1946

    Swing 12% Labour to Reform

    Andy had 2990 Greens. Greens overperforming again. WTAF happened to Labour?
    If I may in pb style wade in on the fourth most important issue - why call a seat Newcastle Central AND west? Newcastle West would have done. Or Newcastle Central. Brevity, boundary commission!
  • The Tories need to offer a referendum on leaving the EU.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,198

    Isaac Levido will never run an election campaign ever again. Useless.

    He’s won more, from tight positions, than many.

    Jonathan said:

    BBC’s coverage is very flat.

    Laura must be terribly disappointed though.

    I’ve been on itv.
    Biased BBC? You sound like Nadine Dorries!
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252

    Claiming bragging rights in advance - from June 14th:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4835350#Comment_4835350

    I'm standing by my hunch that the Portillo moment will be a prominent Labour MP losing to Reform. An Yvette Cooper or an Ed Miliband.

    Would be quite an achievement if Reform beat Ed Miliband given that they neglected to stand in Doncaster North
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945

    Labour source suggests Reform will win **fewer** than the 13 seats predicted by the exit poll, per their early data analysis.

    https://x.com/benrileysmith/status/1809011561442464226

    Time to pop some money on Labour beating Tony's 1997 landslide.

    I expected just 3 seats: Ashfield, Clacton, Castle Point. But exit poll says Castle Point will be Tory.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 22,360
    Foxy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Very strange election.

    A Labour landslide but also feels like they are also being put on notice by Reform... If they screw up in the the next five years?

    It’s going to be an election of several different stories as always I think.

    Labour are going to do exceptionally well in the traditional marginals.

    The red wall is going to go back to Labour but with Reform surging.
    Greens and Gaza independents doing well in the cities too.

    it isnt just REFUK.
    Labour losing the Hamas vote but gaining a majority is a sign of Starmer doing the right thing.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,352
    Pro_Rata said:

    Early AVG:
    Lab +4.3
    Con -20.8
    Ref +15.5
    LD -1.1
    Grn +3.1

    And that +4.3 blown away by Newcastle Central
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    SHUT UP PESTON....Balls telling him he is talking balls...
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214

    Andy_JS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Very strange election.

    A Labour landslide but also feels like they are also being put on notice by Reform... If they screw up in the the next five years?

    We're getting a skewed view because these particular seats are declaring first. If the first results had been from Berkshire, Oxfordshire, Surrey, we'd be saying very different things.
    Why is Reform putting Labour on notice anymore than the Tories?
    Because the media love to suck the dick of the far right.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Radio 4: Labour not looking happy in Bristol Central, Greens confident.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,022
    rcs1000 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour's vote down 10,000 in Newcastle Central. Definitely wasn't expecting that.

    https://electionresults.parliament.uk/elections/2368

    Lab -13.6%
    Ref +10.7%
    Con -16.3%
    Ind +8.8%
    Oth +6.5%

    Eh? She got 21,000 last time
    Gaza
    It's Newcastle, so surely Gazza?
    My wife and I were in the toon on Saturday and Gaza loons were picketing Barclays Bank.

    I expect the other Newcastle seats won’t see this level of voter switch.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    biggles said:

    Isaac Levido will never run an election campaign ever again. Useless.

    He’s won more, from tight positions, than many.

    Jonathan said:

    BBC’s coverage is very flat.

    Laura must be terribly disappointed though.

    I’ve been on itv.
    Biased BBC? You sound like Nadine Dorries!
    I never said biased BBC, just not a fan of Laura.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Chameleon said:

    I've lost the link to Andy's spreadsheet, anyone kind enough to share it again?

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iFyVLRnJG_7HD1BrN6BQMzU_n2Vl-BjJEIz5H3qq6XA/edit?gid=0#gid=0

    I cocked up the Newcastle Central result, expecting Lab to get 29,000 and they got 18,800.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,099
    @MrHarryCole

    Libdems claiming Tunbridge Wells has fallen.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507

    Pulpstar said:

    https://x.com/journoamrogers/status/1809007849978134991

    Growing concern within Labour about losing Barnsley East and Yvette Cooper’s seat of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford to Reform

    They'll do well to lose Barnsley East seeing as it doesn't exist.
    William’s reading all the wrong bullshit these days. Plato style.
    She's a Sky News reporter!
    Well that explains it...Sky News are utter shit these days.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited July 4
    Scott_xP said:

    @MrHarryCole

    Libdems claiming Tunbridge Wells has fallen.

    Wtf??????????????
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653

    Claiming bragging rights in advance - from June 14th:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4835350#Comment_4835350

    I'm standing by my hunch that the Portillo moment will be a prominent Labour MP losing to Reform. An Yvette Cooper or an Ed Miliband.

    Would be quite an achievement if Reform beat Ed Miliband given that they neglected to stand in Doncaster North
    Chaos is his middle name.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,239
    Based on the seats so far about 2/3 of the Conservative switchers have moved to Reform and 1/3 to Labour.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,122

    Foxy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Very strange election.

    A Labour landslide but also feels like they are also being put on notice by Reform... If they screw up in the the next five years?

    It’s going to be an election of several different stories as always I think.

    Labour are going to do exceptionally well in the traditional marginals.

    The red wall is going to go back to Labour but with Reform surging.
    Greens and Gaza independents doing well in the cities too.

    it isnt just REFUK.
    Labour losing the Hamas vote but gaining a majority is a sign of Starmer doing the right thing.
    thats as maybe, but once again means bigger swings in target seats
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC are forecasting Tories to hold Montgomeryshire, Devon Central, Norfolk South.

    Is that it? No others?
    Those are ones I thought the exit poll was saying going to Lab so not sure if they've had some new information.
    Only dreaming joking.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,118
    I confess I fell asleep just before Swindon South :grimace:
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,168
    edited July 4
    Scott_xP said:

    @MrHarryCole

    Libdems claiming Tunbridge Wells has fallen.

    If true, that is very positive - it was in the exit poll as an almost complete toss up - 53% likelihood Tory, 47% Lib Dem. So it was essentially 0.5 of a seat in the LD projected 61.
  • @CorrectHorseBattery despite his ban and having called Corbyn wrong, got SKS right from the beginning. Wherever he is, I hope he knows that PB is behind him.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,919

    I confess I fell asleep just before Swindon South :grimace:

    So did the BBC
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    edited July 4
    99% chance of a Labour gain:

    Plymouth Moor View
    Croydon South
    Romford
    Uxbridge
    Basingstoke
    Earley & Woodley
    Orpington
    Hornchurch & Upminster
    Hendon
    Chipping Barnet
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    FF43 said:

    Based on the seats so far about 2/3 of the Conservative switchers have moved to Reform and 1/3 to Labour.

    I can't see that happening in the south though.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,472
    I predicted that the Greens would take quite a lot of votes from (the left of) Labour, and I reckon there's evidence of this already happening in the NE, and it will increase as results come in from the south and the cities. I expect the highest Green % ever, even though they'll only win a couple of seats. Combined with a bit of a hit from Reform, it explains why Labour may be around 36/37% rather than 42%.

    Mercifully, the scale of this is nowhere near the scale of the Tory losses to Reform and, I hope, the Lib Dems.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Claiming bragging rights in advance - from June 14th:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4835350#Comment_4835350

    I'm standing by my hunch that the Portillo moment will be a prominent Labour MP losing to Reform. An Yvette Cooper or an Ed Miliband.

    Would be quite an achievement if Reform beat Ed Miliband given that they neglected to stand in Doncaster North
    Ed Miliband is reasonably popular in Donny fwiw.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507

    I confess I fell asleep just before Swindon South :grimace:

    You and Joe Biden....
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Im falling asleep. Any more imminent decldrations?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,352
    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Early AVG:
    Lab +4.3
    Con -20.8
    Ref +15.5
    LD -1.1
    Grn +3.1

    And that +4.3 blown away by Newcastle Central
    Lab +1.3
    Con -20.0
    Ref +14.7
    LD -0.6
    Grn +3.4
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    Foxy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Very strange election.

    A Labour landslide but also feels like they are also being put on notice by Reform... If they screw up in the the next five years?

    It’s going to be an election of several different stories as always I think.

    Labour are going to do exceptionally well in the traditional marginals.

    The red wall is going to go back to Labour but with Reform surging.
    Greens and Gaza independents doing well in the cities too.

    it isnt just REFUK.
    Labour are losing to their left and Tories are losing to RefUK.

    This could be really interesting, as someone on the left. If Greens overperform in Labour seats and win in Bristol and Corbyn holds his seat, and RefUK can't turn vote share into seats I do think that we can push Starmer to the left. RefUK voters want their material needs met - they have been told the issue that is stopping them being met is immigrants, so you could deal with that without leaning into the anti immigrant settlement - and those on the left could be brought back with the small social democrat policies that are super popular to the electorate at large (water renationalisation, etc.) I am probably huffing on copium, but I really think this could be good.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,067

    SHUT UP PESTON....Balls telling him he is talking balls...

    Come to the dark side BBC
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,099
    @BethRigby

    NEW: senior Lib Dem source tells me they think LDs will take Harpenden (for the 1st time in 100 years) and Esher (Dominic Raab's former seat)
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818
    edited July 4
    had to give up on the BBC and switch to ITV - whatever happened to detailed number analysis that the anchors could understand - ended with Dimbleby and Maitless i think
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    The auto-updating is working ! Annoyingly there is a (elected) by the winner which means it won't parse as a number. I'll just manually adjust rather than trying anything fancy now.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,855
    Scott_xP said:

    @MrHarryCole

    Libdems claiming Tunbridge Wells has fallen.

    Revenge Of The Mortgage Holders
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,145
    Scott_xP said:

    @MrHarryCole

    Libdems claiming Tunbridge Wells has fallen.

    Who needs polls. The Gails=LDs is bulletproof.

    https://gails.com/pages/tunbridge-wells
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    CatMan said:

    SHUT UP PESTON....Balls telling him he is talking balls...

    Come to the dark side BBC
    No ITV is fine, you just need the mute button ready for when the Professor takes 5 minutes to make some stupid point.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,144
    Dawn Butler coming out in favour of a debate about PR
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,709
    This Streeting guy...?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Basildon and Broxbourne are past expected declaration time.
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