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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,265
    Hills have been down for a while.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,340
    BBC fun fact just now - no sitting chancellor has ever lost their seat.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,313
    pigeon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @PaulBrandITV

    Among the relatively few cabinet members likely to KEEP their seats, it looks as if:

    Kemi Badenoch
    Suella Braverman
    Robert Jenrick
    Tom Tugendhat

    …have the best chance of holding their seats and entering the leadership race.

    They'll pick Suella, won't they?
    I think Badenoch might have a better shot. Braverman might be seen as a little disloyal.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,664
    A Scottish Tory source said the ITV predictions on the exit poll (which show them making big gains) are "total bollocks" and "nonsense".

    The Conservative said the party will NOT be winning seats like Stirling or Aberdeen South.


    https://x.com/paulhutcheon/status/1808978362599121123
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,001
    edited July 4

    Good evening from the P&J live in Aberdeen. Must say that the exit poll greatly entertained. I had posted that Survation poll and been laughed out of town by the SNP.

    They’re not laughing now

    What are WAK and G&B looking like?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,405
    This is a kick the Tories out election. That’s about all you need to know.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,314
    DougSeal said:

    If I were Reform I’d be a little worried by Sunderland South. That’s lower than I (and a few who know a lot more than me) were expecting

    Or maybe it means they have more where it counts?
  • ChristopherChristopher Posts: 91
    Interesting analysis from a top Tory: "The Conservative MP numbers are better than some expected, it is not clinically dead but need a massive surgery to recover. The Reform numbers are higher than I thought. That's the problem of a divided Right.
    "But this is all down to Rishi and the Conservative Ministers who thought massive immigration, massive spending and it's associated inflation and taxation were a good way to run the country." More analysis and reporting now at
    @GBNEWS
    .
    10:37 PM · Jul 4, 2024
    ·
    31.7K
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    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1808978430836314296
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,219

    Houghton and Sunderland South:

    🌹 LAB: 47.1% (+6.7)
    ➡️ RFM: 29.1% (+13.4)
    🌳 CON: 13.8% (-19.1)
    🔶 LDM: 5.7% (-0.2)
    🌍 GRN: 4.3% (+1.6)

    Labour HOLD.

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1808989123786502412

    Feels eerily similar to 2017 to me.

    Not actually as Reformy as the exit poll.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    Scott_xP said:

    @PaulBrandITV

    Among the relatively few cabinet members likely to KEEP their seats, it looks as if:

    Kemi Badenoch
    Suella Braverman
    Robert Jenrick
    Tom Tugendhat

    …have the best chance of holding their seats and entering the leadership race.

    Urgh.
    We needed the top 3 out for sure
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,237
    Blyth spirit
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,340
    Blyth up.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,644
    edited July 4
    Blyth declaration incoming. If we can understand the ROs deep accent…

    Reform a solid second on >10,000
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,748
    Blyth now
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,700
    edited July 4
    Is photo ID the dog that didn’t bark? I thought it was a terrible idea because it would disenfranchise people for no reason, but maybe it was actually just a terrible idea because it wasted money achieving sod all.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,540

    Looks to me like Labour got a higher vote in absolute terms in Houghton than they got last time despite the lower turnout.

    And while I despise people saying Con+Ref its worth noting Con+Ref is a lower total than last time.

    The future is not Reform. Thank goodness!

    Does this imply the Reform vote is entirely a split Tory vote?
    No.

    A chunk of Tory will have gone to Reform.

    A chunk of Labour will have gone to Reform.

    A chunk of Tory will have gone to Labour.

    Part C exceeds Part B.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,490

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like the Tories are absolutely nowhere in the Northeast tbh. The romance lasted a single election.

    Yes.

    I wonder where the Tories would be if Reform slipped back to 5-7% and just in the NE and places like that, tbh.

    My guess is they'd regain 20 or so seats from the LDs and maybe the same from Labour too once the ejection revulsion in their heartlands has worked its way through.

    The baseline for them at the next election, all things being equal, should really be near 200 seats or so.
    I think the Tory vote will collapse further next election where they're a long way behind Reform.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,492
    Blyth prediction is Lab 18750, Ref 10500, Con 8000, LD 3000, Grn 1500.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,219

    Interesting analysis from a top Tory: "The Conservative MP numbers are better than some expected, it is not clinically dead but need a massive surgery to recover. The Reform numbers are higher than I thought. That's the problem of a divided Right.
    "But this is all down to Rishi and the Conservative Ministers who thought massive immigration, massive spending and it's associated inflation and taxation were a good way to run the country." More analysis and reporting now at
    @GBNEWS
    .
    10:37 PM · Jul 4, 2024
    ·
    31.7K
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    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1808978430836314296

    It must be fun following a foreign election and being under instruction to pretend to be a local.
  • Looks to me like Labour got a higher vote in absolute terms in Houghton than they got last time despite the lower turnout.

    And while I despise people saying Con+Ref its worth noting Con+Ref is a lower total than last time.

    The future is not Reform. Thank goodness!

    Does this imply the Reform vote is entirely a split Tory vote?
    No.

    A chunk of Tory will have gone to Reform.

    A chunk of Labour will have gone to Reform.

    A chunk of Tory will have gone to Labour.

    Part C exceeds Part B.
    So we can't add Reform to Tory then.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,340
    Love this returning officer
  • EScrymgeourEScrymgeour Posts: 137
    Hat!

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,725
    A touch of class from the returning officer.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,450
    fantastic hat!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,540

    Looks to me like Labour got a higher vote in absolute terms in Houghton than they got last time despite the lower turnout.

    And while I despise people saying Con+Ref its worth noting Con+Ref is a lower total than last time.

    The future is not Reform. Thank goodness!

    Does this imply the Reform vote is entirely a split Tory vote?
    No.

    A chunk of Tory will have gone to Reform.

    A chunk of Labour will have gone to Reform.

    A chunk of Tory will have gone to Labour.

    Part C exceeds Part B.
    So we can't add Reform to Tory then.
    Of course we can't! You can never add 2 parties together.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    Have politicians worked out the British people want immigration brought under control yet?

    In that case, forget retirement because the nation cannot afford it....

    Unless we do a "Logan's Run" or "Soylent Green"
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,282

    Looks to me like Labour got a higher vote in absolute terms in Houghton than they got last time despite the lower turnout.

    And while I despise people saying Con+Ref its worth noting Con+Ref is a lower total than last time.

    The future is not Reform. Thank goodness!

    Does this imply the Reform vote is entirely a split Tory vote?
    No.

    A chunk of Tory will have gone to Reform.

    A chunk of Labour will have gone to Reform.

    A chunk of Tory will have gone to Labour.

    Part C exceeds Part B.
    Also a chunk of Tory went fishing INSTEAD of voting.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,527

    Houghton and Sunderland South:

    🌹 LAB: 47.1% (+6.7)
    ➡️ RFM: 29.1% (+13.4)
    🌳 CON: 13.8% (-19.1)
    🔶 LDM: 5.7% (-0.2)
    🌍 GRN: 4.3% (+1.6)

    Labour HOLD.

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1808989123786502412

    Feels eerily similar to 2017 to me.

    In what way? Reform have underperformed here. Very simplistically, Labour have increased their vote share, and combined CON + REF are down. I don’t get your analysis.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,340
    Lib dem less than Green.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,456
    Like the outfit! Reform again...
  • Looks to me like Labour got a higher vote in absolute terms in Houghton than they got last time despite the lower turnout.

    And while I despise people saying Con+Ref its worth noting Con+Ref is a lower total than last time.

    The future is not Reform. Thank goodness!

    Does this imply the Reform vote is entirely a split Tory vote?
    No.

    A chunk of Tory will have gone to Reform.

    A chunk of Labour will have gone to Reform.

    A chunk of Tory will have gone to Labour.

    Part C exceeds Part B.
    So we can't add Reform to Tory then.
    Of course we can't! You can never add 2 parties together.
    Doesn't stop the Tory Reform joiners wanting to!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,278
    B+A in.
    I voted for a winner.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,237
    Lab hold, Reform second again!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,034
    lab 20,030 50%
    con 6,121 15%
    green 1,960 5%
    reform 10,857 27%
    ld 1,433 4%
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,265
    Ian Lavery doesn't look particularly happy
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,872
    Hats and bonnets.

    All very genteel, Summer garden party here.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,313
    Jonathan said:

    This is a kick the Tories out election. That’s about all you need to know.

    Thats pretty much it. I posted months and months ago that people were tired of the Conservatives. Once that sets in, its done.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,492
    Turnout only 53.5%.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,669
    My God, these are huge votes for REFORM
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813
    Sean_F said:

    pigeon said:

    How on Earth are the Tories meant to get sackloads of votes back from pissed off Reform voters in the North, and recover heavy losses to the Liberal Democrats in the South, AT THE SAME TIME?

    Answers on a postcard.

    Maybe just let Reform mop up the anti-Labour vote in Labour seats, and then look at confidence and supply.
    Going into an election with exciting posters of the tiny Tory leader in Farage's pocket, a la Miliband and Sturgeon.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,265
    edited July 4

    A touch of class from the returning officer.

    I hear Penelope Keith is doing Sevenoaks.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813
    And here goes Andrea Leadsom, we lost because we're not right wing enough. Entirely predictable.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,282
    The goddamn Sky announcer did it again, talked over the declaration.

    Shut the fuck up! Especially as you appear to know next to nothing.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,278
    IanB2 said:

    Blyth declaration incoming. If we can understand the ROs deep accent…

    Reform a solid second on >10,000

    I was just thinking how RP she was.
    A little difficult to tune into.
    Check out Ian Lavery.
  • EScrymgeourEScrymgeour Posts: 137
    Andy_JS said:

    Blyth prediction is Lab 18750, Ref 10500, Con 8000, LD 3000, Grn 1500.

    Green>Lab?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,492
    I'm starting to wonder whether Labour will get less overall votes than in 2019, let alone 2017. Down 500 votes in Blyth.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,822
    Ugh, wretched Tories SPLITTING OUR VOTE.

    Work tomorrow, night all and enjoy!
  • ChristopherChristopher Posts: 91
    Leon said:

    My God, these are huge votes for REFORM

    Indeed Reform is the big winner from this election so far.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,053
    Shit, Reform are heading for AfD levels of votes.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252

    Ian Lavery doesn't look particularly happy

    He got less votes than the notional result for 2019
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,527
    tyson said:

    Andy JS proving again to be the best of the best of the best predictor....after his stellar performance at the Brexit Vote, PbCOM's main man

    He’s certainly making up for his less than stellar performance in the London Mayoral…
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 776
    I know these are not typical seats, but anyone else thinking this might show this could be an election that is more proportional swing than uniform swing?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,492

    Andy_JS said:

    Blyth prediction is Lab 18750, Ref 10500, Con 8000, LD 3000, Grn 1500.

    Green>Lab?
    I've overestimated turnout everywhere I suspect, wishful thinking that it would only drop by around 1.5% overall when it's clearly going to be down considerably more than that.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,610
    Andy_JS said:

    I'm starting to wonder whether Labour will get less overall votes than in 2019, let alone 2017. Down 500 votes in Blyth.

    Except the new Blyth is the old Wansbeck seat not the old Blyth seat..l
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,430
    @ChrisHopkins92

    If the Exit Poll is right, this feels like Nigel Farage’s dream scenario. He’s got enough MPs to make a racket in Westminster, and the party he shares the closest space with could be reduced to a long period of soul searching. He’s both in the tent, and pissing wherever he wants
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,313
    Andy_JS said:

    I'm starting to wonder whether Labour will get less overall votes than in 2019, let alone 2017. Down 500 votes in Blyth.

    Given the fact it was Corbyn then that would be an interesting output.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,218
    The overwhelming lesson here is that the conservatives need to move to the centre to be competitive in Blythe and Sunderland.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,669
    eristdoof said:

    Shit, Reform are heading for AfD levels of votes.

    GOOD
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,492

    The goddamn Sky announcer did it again, talked over the declaration.

    Shut the fuck up! Especially as you appear to know next to nothing.

    They've been doing this for decades, they never get it right.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,008
    The Tories will conclude they need to be more like Reform and more right wing.

    I don't think they will piece together a majority in one term. I think their direction of travel will help the Lib Dems retain southern seats.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    Not sure about the Monmouth prediction, apparently Davies has already conceded
  • I am confused at the idea the Tories have not been "conservative enough" when they just lost to a party offering nationalisation.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,700
    darkage said:

    The overwhelming lesson here is that the conservatives need to move to the centre to be competitive in Blythe and Sunderland.

    Just wait for later. They were targeting Bootle man.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,125

    The goddamn Sky announcer did it again, talked over the declaration.

    Shut the fuck up! Especially as you appear to know next to nothing.

    Especially as she talked over the most statistically interesting bit.
    Honestly, Sky are utter fuckwits. I'd turn over but I'm a guest ata friend's house.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,088

    Leon said:

    My God, these are huge votes for REFORM

    Indeed Reform is the big winner from this election so far.
    Labour will get, as a minimum, 30 times the seats and will get to run the country. But, yeah, whatever.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,053

    A touch of class from the returning officer.

    I hear Penelope Keith is doing Sevenoaks.

    A touch of class from the returning officer.

    I hear Penelope Keith is doing Sevenoaks.
    I hear Keith Richards is doing everything.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,340
    Leftie twitter very grumpy about Streetimg on the BBC.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,540
    Again in Blyth Con+Ref (not that you can add them together under any circumstances) is down.

    Lab holding up.

    2 out of 2 seats so far if I'm reading @Pulpstar spreadsheet accurately, Lab has exceeded the MRPs forecast?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,753

    A touch of class from the returning officer.

    makes a nice change
  • SkiddertonSkidderton Posts: 15
    Sir John Curtice claxon
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,313
    Scott_xP said:

    @ChrisHopkins92

    If the Exit Poll is right, this feels like Nigel Farage’s dream scenario. He’s got enough MPs to make a racket in Westminster, and the party he shares the closest space with could be reduced to a long period of soul searching. He’s both in the tent, and pissing wherever he wants

    The Conservatives job will be to bury Farage not welcome him in.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,340

    I am confused at the idea the Tories have not been "conservative enough" when they just lost to a party offering nationalisation.

    Perhaps they would have lost more narrowly.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,507
    Cookie said:

    The goddamn Sky announcer did it again, talked over the declaration.

    Shut the fuck up! Especially as you appear to know next to nothing.

    Especially as she talked over the most statistically interesting bit.
    Honestly, Sky are utter fuckwits. I'd turn over but I'm a guest ata friend's house.
    Sky sacked off many of their best people 5 or so years ago.
  • NickyBreakspearNickyBreakspear Posts: 761

    That hat.


    She is the actual Returning Officer, rather than the Acting Returning Officer.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,265
    SJC says Reform support less than expected and Conservative support dropping less too.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,873
    DougSeal said:

    Houghton and Sunderland South:

    🌹 LAB: 47.1% (+6.7)
    ➡️ RFM: 29.1% (+13.4)
    🌳 CON: 13.8% (-19.1)
    🔶 LDM: 5.7% (-0.2)
    🌍 GRN: 4.3% (+1.6)

    Labour HOLD.

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1808989123786502412

    Feels eerily similar to 2017 to me.

    In what way? Reform have underperformed here. Very simplistically, Labour have increased their vote share, and combined CON + REF are down. I don’t get your analysis.
    If there are small swings in safe Lab seats, that does rather mean larger swings elsewhere
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,282
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Blyth prediction is Lab 18750, Ref 10500, Con 8000, LD 3000, Grn 1500.

    Green>Lab?
    I've overestimated turnout everywhere I suspect, wishful thinking that it would only drop by around 1.5% overall when it's clearly going to be down considerably more than that.
    Very shy Tory syndrome. So shy about it they did NOT vote.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,278
    edited July 4
    Leon said:

    My God, these are huge votes for REFORM

    What did you expect?
    They are down on both exit polls.
    William Glenn has been telling us Reform would be winning Northern seats. They are nowhere near.
    The Con vote has collapsed up here. That is the story v expectations against 2 samples.
  • The Tories were too "woke" - this is why they will lose.

    Do not do it. Abort.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,764
    Andy_JS said:

    I'm starting to wonder whether Labour will get less overall votes than in 2019, let alone 2017. Down 500 votes in Blyth.

    It’s not the same boundaries though, is it?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,725

    I am confused at the idea the Tories have not been "conservative enough" when they just lost to a party offering nationalisation.

    Nobody cares about 1980s dividing lines like that anymore. Nationalisation can be just as much a right-wing policy as a left-wing one.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,854
    I hate the phoney war hours to 2am. Bring me a plethora of results, please.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,610
    ITV coverage with Sturgeon, Balls and Osborne is great: it's actually a bit of a shit result for Keir Starmer.
  • I am confused at the idea the Tories have not been "conservative enough" when they just lost to a party offering nationalisation.

    Nobody cares about 1980s dividing lines like that anymore. Nationalisation can be just as much a right-wing policy as a left-wing one.
    Okay they lost by being "woke", wut
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,748
    Interesting commentary from a Tory candidate for an unwinnable seat

    https://x.com/lmaginnis91/status/1808983092138553375?s=61
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,340
    Curtis: one of the lower turnouts of post-war elections
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,314
    Reform vote less than expected in first two results according to Sir John.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813
    Curtice:

    *Labour numbers in line with exit poll
    *Reform a little less than expected
    *Tory less bad than expected

    Matter of fine details rather than major issues with the model

    Turnout is down
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,271
    Bloody hell, Labour's lost Blyth as well?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,340
    Curtis: partly because tories and labour basically the same on policy!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,125
    Beth Rigby still an idiot.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,764
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Blyth prediction is Lab 18750, Ref 10500, Con 8000, LD 3000, Grn 1500.

    Green>Lab?
    I've overestimated turnout everywhere I suspect, wishful thinking that it would only drop by around 1.5% overall when it's clearly going to be down considerably more than that.
    I think it’ll be up in some SE and SW seats
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,664
    ITV is the best.

    Sky and BBC a bit shit (except when His Excellency Sir John Curtice is on screen.)
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,313

    Leon said:

    My God, these are huge votes for REFORM

    Indeed Reform is the big winner from this election so far.
    Labour will get, as a minimum, 30 times the seats and will get to run the country. But, yeah, whatever.
    Yeah, the bent logic is great isnt it. Its the same plane of thought pattern that claims Corbyn somehow won in 2017.
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