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    I wish Kent COunty Conucil would stop messing with the server that hteir results are on. Every time I get on the results page has changed and now it tells us nothing!
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Paul Francis @PaulOnPolitics
    Confirmed: #ukip take seven of the #thanet seats #kccelection
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    CON hold Shropshire. Can't be bothered to count the totals for the other parties, so I'll wait for the results table on that one.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,369
    Two Lab gains from Indies and it's starting to look as though we'll get a majority.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Nick

    2 gains in West Mansfield
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    I missed this from a couple weeks ago:

    Iceland and China enter a free trade agreement

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/business/global/16iht-iceland16.html?_r=0

    Silly Iceland. Don't they know small nations don't have enough weight to sign these things? They certainly having got the economic might to do it when one isn't in sight for the EU, which is more competitive because of its size...
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    I wonder if the rise of UKIP might provide the long term detox strategy that the Tories need in the anti-Tory parts of the country.

    Labour and the left in general have spent almost all their time and energy for the last 50 years telling everyone how evil and nasty the Tories are and rely on people voting for them "to stop the Tories getting in". Now a new right-leaning party is hoovering up voters they're going to have to modify that tactic a bit. "The Tories are evil and er...so are UKIP as well" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

    Indeedee!
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    More pithy stuff that I concur with from Mr Stanley

    "...My mum’s a classic Labour voter: ie she didn’t bother to vote yesterday. I don’t write that in a snobby way – it’s a sad statement of fact. Back when I was a Labour stooge, we had terrible trouble trying to get our people out to the polling booths and we wasted hours conjuring up messages bright and bold enough to motivate them to abandon the sofa and do the decent thing. It was a lesson in the political importance of excitement.

    And that’s why Ukip’s rise is such a problem for Ed Miliband. Yes, he won a lot a seats in the local elections and easily held South Shields. But, as Dan Hodges writes, the headlines are all about Ukip and the excitement is entirely on the Right of the political spectrum. For the Left, this situation is counter-intuitive. They thought that the Credit Crunch would ruin the reputation of the free market and revive Keynesianism. But they didn’t realise that while people do broadly despise banksters and the vampiric rich, they have equal contempt for the state and its managerial class. The Credit Crunch bred not socialism but nihilism. We don’t trust anyone anymore.

    Ergo, Labour’s drift to social democracy hasn’t helped it. The politics of “nationalise the railways, school milk and free pottery classes for everyone” is out of date and out of touch. Not only does it overlook how much the ordinary Joe is getting stiffed by taxes and rising prices (don’t live in Britain if you want to smoke or drive a car) but it skirts the issues that really boil the blood: violent crime, the despoiling of the countryside, old people left to die in careless NHS hospitals, and the price tag of mass immigration. Miliband is focusing his attention on the wrong side of the political debate, sewing up a Left-wing vote that is shrinking fast.

    Labour cannot afford to dismiss the rise of Ukip as a fratricidal war on the Right: it has to compete for the same level of excitement and public interest..." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100215203/ed-miliband-needs-to-fear-ukip-too-right-wing-populism-is-in-the-ascendant/
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    MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    Conservatives not doing badly everywhere

    Northumberland

    Labour 32 (+15)
    Conservative 21 (+4)
    Liberal Democrat 11 (-15)
    Independent 3 (-4)
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Kevin Maguire on Five Live sounds like he's conceding a hung parliament is the most likely result of the next election.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Jason Cowan @jason_manc
    Current vote shares in Staffordshire: Con 35% Lab 31% UKIP 24% LDs 4%. A Labour council from 1981 to 2009.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2013
    Nick

    It seems at least 1 Lab gain in West Bridgford South after the 200 recounts
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    AveryLP said:

    Socrates said:

    Sky protection for a general election:
    Lab 325
    Con 247
    L/D 52
    Oth 26

    Not sure how Sky are doing that and whether you need to adjust for government recovery, but IIUC that's pretty much the same as you'd expect from Rod's by-election swing-back method (plus common sense for the LD score).
    Sky claim it is an extrapolation of the known vote shares from yesterday's council elections.

    So it does not take into account any 'swingback'.

    A very dismal performance from Labour in the circumstances and indicative that a 2015 overall majority is very unlikely.

    AND THE GOOD NEWS KEEPS COMING

    looks like the blues aren't singing in Warwickshire Mr Pole.

    My congrats to George.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP now official opposition on Norfolk CC with 15 seats as Tories lose control.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited May 2013
    What is the TOAD Party? It appears to have a lost a councillor according to the onscreen ticker on BBC24.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    Joke analysis from Vine on BBC:

    LDs have lost fewer seats than Con.

    Does he realise Con are defending three times as many seats?
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    AndyJS said:

    Kevin Maguire on Five Live sounds like he's conceding a hung parliament is the most likely result of the next election.

    A UKIP Conservative coalition would be amusing.

    Things appear to be lurching Right as the LD vote disappears into oblivion.

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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151
    AveryLP said:

    Socrates said:

    Sky protection for a general election:
    Lab 325
    Con 247
    L/D 52
    Oth 26

    Not sure how Sky are doing that and whether you need to adjust for government recovery, but IIUC that's pretty much the same as you'd expect from Rod's by-election swing-back method (plus common sense for the LD score).
    Sky claim it is an extrapolation of the known vote shares from yesterday's council elections.

    So it does not take into account any 'swingback'.

    A very dismal performance from Labour in the circumstances and indicative that a 2015 overall majority is very unlikely.

    Can't really say that without knowing how they've done it...
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Millsy said:

    Conservatives not doing badly everywhere

    Northumberland

    Labour 32 (+15)
    Conservative 21 (+4)
    Liberal Democrat 11 (-15)
    Independent 3 (-4)

    Cripes - LDs MInus 15?! And losing to both Lab and Tory? Is there a local scandal or something?
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    Full results from Norfolk
    2009 in brackets

    Conservatives 40, 32.6% ( 60, 45.9% )
    UKIP 15, 23.47% ( 1, 4.6% )
    Labour 14, 22.75% ( 3, 13.5% )
    LD 10 10.97% ( 13, 22.7% )
    Green 4, 6.55% ( 7, 10.9% )
    Ind 1 3.27% ( 0, 1.4%)

    I put forward a tentative theory that Norfolk Council wanting to build a large incinerator at vast cost has made a considerable voting impact throughout the county .I believe it is being sat upon by Eric Pickles at the moment. UKIP is on the march and took 8 seats from their 'right wing coalition partner' (2015)

    Hooray, my wager a fortnight ago with a Tory candidate who retained his seat today against my reckoning of a NOC result makes for a good weekend - now if we can beat the Villians tomorrow and stay in the 'greatest league in the world' haha, my other wager from last October will come good.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Did Staffordshire CC included Stoke City from 74 to 97? or am I wrong?
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    Socrates said:

    Sky protection for a general election:
    Lab 325
    Con 247
    L/D 52
    Oth 26

    Not sure how Sky are doing that and whether you need to adjust for government recovery, but IIUC that's pretty much the same as you'd expect from Rod's by-election swing-back method (plus common sense for the LD score).
    Sky claim it is an extrapolation of the known vote shares from yesterday's council elections.

    So it does not take into account any 'swingback'.

    A very dismal performance from Labour in the circumstances and indicative that a 2015 overall majority is very unlikely.

    AND THE GOOD NEWS KEEPS COMING

    looks like the blues aren't singing in Warwickshire Mr Pole.

    My congrats to George.
    I hear the duff bits were lost to Labour, Mr. Pole.

    Time to take a leaf out of JK's book and start a separatist movement for Shakespeare country.

    You can keep SO pour encourager les autres.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,391
    The Lib dem rate of losses is now the same as the tories at about 22% .

    I never understood the theory that they were somehow going to do alright out of this. I suppose this is better than the proportions lost in the last two sets of locals since the Coalition was formed but it is not great. The tory losses are going to cost them relatively few councils given their absurd starting point. The Lib dems really are down to the core.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    @Plato

    LD support in Northumberland was mainly in Labour areas so reaction to the coalition was always going to sink them there.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    Plato said:

    What is the TOAD Party? It appears to have a councillor according to the onscreen ticker on BBC24.

    Not affliates of French nationalists are they, contesting Dover South? ;-)
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    The dynamics of some UKIP groups will be fun to watch, I assume
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    NOC Gain Oxfordshire!
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,018
    AndyJS said:

    Kevin Maguire on Five Live sounds like he's conceding a hung parliament is the most likely result of the next election.

    Dan Hodges also involved in the discussion: PB'ers will be surprised to hear that he thinks it's all very bad news for Ed Miliband.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2013
    AndyJS said:

    @Plato

    LD support in Northumberland was mainly in Labour areas so reaction to the coalition was always going to sink them there.

    And Berwick! I suppose the Con gains are there

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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited May 2013
    DavidL said:

    The Lib dem rate of losses is now the same as the tories at about 22% .

    After 24 of 34 councils declared the BBC are showing the Conservatives down 22% and the LDs down 19%. But I do agree that the rate of LD losses is higher than most LD activists expected a few days ago.

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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    Con now won 1,000 councillors.

    UKIP on 113.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tories fail to hold Oxfordshire by one seat.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    edited May 2013
    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    Socrates said:

    Sky protection for a general election:
    Lab 325
    Con 247
    L/D 52
    Oth 26

    Not sure how Sky are doing that and whether you need to adjust for government recovery, but IIUC that's pretty much the same as you'd expect from Rod's by-election swing-back method (plus common sense for the LD score).
    Sky claim it is an extrapolation of the known vote shares from yesterday's council elections.

    So it does not take into account any 'swingback'.

    A very dismal performance from Labour in the circumstances and indicative that a 2015 overall majority is very unlikely.

    AND THE GOOD NEWS KEEPS COMING

    looks like the blues aren't singing in Warwickshire Mr Pole.

    My congrats to George.
    I hear the duff bits were lost to Labour, Mr. Pole.

    Time to take a leaf out of JK's book and start a separatist movement for Shakespeare country.

    You can keep SO pour encourager les autres.

    Ah the duff bits, you mean like North Warks where people actually do real work, and where until recently the blues controlled the council.

    I'm sure the local MP Marcus Jones ( Con. ) will be delighted with your support.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    SeanT said:

    Mark Wallace ‏@wallaceme 12h
    Never let them tell you politics is divisive. Almost everyone is united in mirth at the Bridgwater South Lib Dem getting zero votes.

    Now that is funny.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422

    David

    First prefs.

    Labour and Davies are way ahead of everybody else according to BBC man. Davies asked to re-recheck first prefs because it's very tight between him and Lab. Every vote can count..even the ones in the wrong column

    I suppose Con and others may transfer to him to keep Labour out. But if he's high, they have probably been squeezed in first prefs

    Interesting. In that case, I'd expect Davies to win. When it's an independent / party run-off in an SV election, the independent invariably pulls in more support on transfers. That ought to be the case (without having seen the figures) this time as you'd think that a populist right-winger ought to do better from the eliminated candidates' supporters than a party-backed centre-left candidate.
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,548
    Plato said:

    Millsy said:

    Conservatives not doing badly everywhere

    Northumberland

    Labour 32 (+15)
    Conservative 21 (+4)
    Liberal Democrat 11 (-15)
    Independent 3 (-4)

    Cripes - LDs MInus 15?! And losing to both Lab and Tory? Is there a local scandal or something?
    I've no local knowledge Plato, but guessing that if you have to fight 67 seats in one go with a seriously reduced activist base, Northumberland is about the hardest place in the county to do so.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP gain Burntwood South in Staffordshire.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,391
    I know ancient history is really a specialist subject on here but according to ye ancient BBC with 25 councils in out of 34 the tories are down 182. Not good but hardly armageddon. Losses look likely to be less than 250. Given the starting point the tories would have taken that, albeit they would not have wanted UKIP to get such a boost.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    What news of our very own Hersham hero ??

    Is it honey for tea or is it tears before bedtime ??
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited May 2013
    It looks very much like the Conservatives will emerge from these elections with a bloodied but unbroken nose.

    Miliband's nose just doesn't seem to be functioning.

    Farage's is small but projecting like Pinocchio's.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    AndyJS said:

    Tories fail to hold Oxfordshire by one seat.


    LOL quick take any sharp implements away from Avery !
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Jack

    COBHAM Con Hold
    EAST MOLESEY AND ESHER Res Ass Gain(Con)
    HERSHAM Con Hold
    HINCHLEY WOOD, CLAYGATE AND OXSHOTT Con Hold
    THE DITTONS Res Ass Hold
    WALTON Res Ass Hold
    WALTON SOUTH AND OATLANDS Con Hold
    WEST MOLESEY Res Ass Hold
    WEYBRIDGE Con Hold
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    I'm begining to get the feeling Farage is a gifted politiican is because he's not a Politician. If you see what I mean.

    The focusgroupthinky, weaselly, evasive, machine robotic crappiness of 90% of ur pols is wilting in the heat of a bit of openly spoken common sense.

    Farage says the EU is a monster that is detroying wealth and democracy across Europe. Well DUH! Dave/Redward/Clegg/etc all just showing their toenails from out of Barroso's fundament.

    Farage happy to admit he's bee to a lapdancing club and doesn't seem to have suffered - quite the opposite. Can you imagine how the liblabcon robotwats would have handled the same?
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Golly LDs down 13 on 14% in WSx - Kippers gain 10 on 29%
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2013
    Labour failing to win Doncaster would be a disaster for them, especially when you consider that Davies was originally elected as an English Democrat.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,391
    edited May 2013

    DavidL said:

    The Lib dem rate of losses is now the same as the tories at about 22% .

    After 24 of 34 councils declared the BBC are showing the Conservatives down 22% and the LDs down 19%. But I do agree that the rate of LD losses is higher than most LD activists expected a few days ago.

    After 25 results it is 23%!. I do agree it will bounce around and there may be some better results to come but jeez... They are being thrashed into fourth place on the popular vote as well.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,369
    4 more Lab gains in Notts - huge swing in West Bridgford (Ken Clarke's seat)
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AndyJS said:

    Tories fail to hold Oxfordshire by one seat.

    LOL quick take any sharp implements away from Avery !
    Leave my wit alone, Mr. Brooke.

    How many councils will change principal colour as a result of these elections?

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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Does anything happen anywhere at any time that Dan Hodges does not regard as bad news for EdM?

    AndyJS said:

    Kevin Maguire on Five Live sounds like he's conceding a hung parliament is the most likely result of the next election.

    Dan Hodges also involved in the discussion: PB'ers will be surprised to hear that he thinks it's all very bad news for Ed Miliband.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tories need one more seat to hold Staffordshire and they have two extremely safe divisions still to declare.
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    RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413


    HERSHAM Con Hold

    JohnO's real name is Margaret Aileen Hicks?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,391
    Disaster. The Idle Toad party has lost its seat in Lancashire. What were the locals thinking? Who could resist voting for a party with a name like that?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    BBC National share:

    Lab 29
    Con 25
    UKIP 23
    LD 14

    Lab lead by only 4% in MID TERM!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tories hold Staffordshire.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    BBC General Election Projection: LAB 29% CON 25% UKIP 23% LD 14%.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    edited May 2013
    AveryLP said:

    AndyJS said:

    Tories fail to hold Oxfordshire by one seat.

    LOL quick take any sharp implements away from Avery !
    Leave my wit alone, Mr. Brooke.

    How many councils will change principal colour as a result of these elections?

    seriously you want to play the protest vote card Mr P. ? When a chap like me who even voted blue in the lost cause of 1997 changes his vote, you're neck deep in guano my friend.

    I really don't know why Cameron wants to split the rightwing vote with that protest party of his.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    RicHolden Conservatives GAIN Harrogate Oatlands from the Lib Dems. #NorthYorkshire
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Full results from Norfolk
    2009 in brackets

    Conservatives 40, 32.6% ( 60, 45.9% )
    UKIP 15, 23.47% ( 1, 4.6% )
    Labour 14, 22.75% ( 3, 13.5% )
    LD 10 10.97% ( 13, 22.7% )
    Green 4, 6.55% ( 7, 10.9% )
    Ind 1 3.27% ( 0, 1.4%)

    I put forward a tentative theory that Norfolk Council wanting to build a large incinerator at vast cost has made a considerable voting impact throughout the county .I believe it is being sat upon by Eric Pickles at the moment. UKIP is on the march and took 8 seats from their 'right wing coalition partner' (2015)

    Hooray, my wager a fortnight ago with a Tory candidate who retained his seat today against my reckoning of a NOC result makes for a good weekend - now if we can beat the Villians tomorrow and stay in the 'greatest league in the world' haha, my other wager from last October will come good.

    So UKIP didn't do that well here either? Doesn't this somewhat knock Southam's East-West theory?
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    LabourList Liveblog: The Tories retain control in Staffordshire labli.st/ZYq4Mv
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    tim said:

    Does anything happen anywhere at any time that Dan Hodges does not regard as bad news for EdM?

    There's one scene in Women In Love that he's still pondering.

    Oh, you are still here, tim.

    I thought you had gone No Overall Comment.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Plato said:

    Millsy said:

    Conservatives not doing badly everywhere

    Northumberland

    Labour 32 (+15)
    Conservative 21 (+4)
    Liberal Democrat 11 (-15)
    Independent 3 (-4)

    Cripes - LDs MInus 15?! And losing to both Lab and Tory? Is there a local scandal or something?
    Nah just LDs getting smashed in the north and the midlands.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763

    Does anything happen anywhere at any time that Dan Hodges does not regard as bad news for EdM?

    AndyJS said:

    Kevin Maguire on Five Live sounds like he's conceding a hung parliament is the most likely result of the next election.

    Dan Hodges also involved in the discussion: PB'ers will be surprised to hear that he thinks it's all very bad news for Ed Miliband.
    it could be an interesting obituary.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    Lab lead by only 4% in mid term.

    If the UKIP vote breaks back more to Con than Lab and then any swingback will lead to .........
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2013
    Nick, you failed to get Mansfield South. The sitting Cllr elected in a 2010 by-election has been ousted.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,391
    edited May 2013
    Plato said:

    BBC General Election Projection: LAB 29% CON 25% UKIP 23% LD 14%.

    How the hell do you get a credible seat projection out of that??

    But don't worry, within a week or so we will all be believing Yougov's version of the Labour lead again. 11% I think it was this morning? Snigger.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tories lose control of Cambridgeshire.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787


    HERSHAM Con Hold

    JohnO's real name is Margaret Aileen Hicks?
    Has John O's "travels" taken him to ladyboy Thailand ??

    .........................................

    Andrea - Thanks.

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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    And Tories hold Staffs - LOL
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    CON hold Staffordshire
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Mike tweets this:

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/330318425845035009/photo/1

    UKIP only two points behind the Tories nationwide. Just stunning.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "1449: Collin Brewer, the independent Cornish councillor who said disabled children should be "put down", has been re-elected. Mr Brewer resigned from representing Wadebridge East in February, but decided to run again, saying he had a "good record" of service."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21240020
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    RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    DavidL said:

    BBC General Election Projection: LAB 29% CON 25% UKIP 23% LD 14%

    How the hell do you get a credible seat projection out of that??

    If it is indeed true (at tim keeps reminding us) that UKIP damages the Tories most of all, that is pretty disastrous for Labour, given that the protest element will subside in a GE.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    AndyJS said:

    Tories lose control of Cambridgeshire.

    Holy PPE both Oxford and Cambridge gone !

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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Plato said:

    And Tories hold Staffs - LOL

    That rather shows Warwickshire up as a dank and dreary bunch of pessimists.

    Time for Messrs. Brooke and Observer to move North to the sunlit uplands.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Bugger.. my computer crashed, does anyone have the old link to the Kent CC website. I can't seem to find the tabulated results on their website anymore.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    So far Tories have 15 councils, Lab 1, LDs 0 and NOC 12.

    Not a bad result for the Blue Team.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Amazing: Tories can't win Oxfordshire or Cambridgeshire but hold Staffordshire which used to be a Labour heartland.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    So let's imagine there's a little bit of swingback by 2015 and we end up with a Lib-Lab coalition. The Lib Dems would almost certainly demand STV as part of the deal. That means a very, very interesting 2020 election.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Last time the Tories won 72 of 84 seats in Kent.

    They might not keep control this time.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    AveryLP said:

    Plato said:

    And Tories hold Staffs - LOL

    That rather shows Warwickshire up as a dank and dreary bunch of pessimists.

    Time for Messrs. Brooke and Observer to move North to the sunlit uplands.

    AveryLP said:

    Plato said:

    And Tories hold Staffs - LOL

    That rather shows Warwickshire up as a dank and dreary bunch of pessimists.

    Time for Messrs. Brooke and Observer to move North to the sunlit uplands.

    Mr Pole the two universities have turned their backs on you, your last intellectual bastion is increasingly looking like Staines Polytech.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    CON Hold North Yorkshire!
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422
    BBC General Election Projection: LAB 29% CON 25% UKIP 23% LD 14%.

    How the hell do you get a credible seat projection out of that??

    But don't worry, within a week or so we will all be believing Yougov's version of the Labour lead again. 11% I think it was this morning? Snigger.
    A seat projection's credibility (in advance of an election) is as good as the analysis or explanation that comes with it. If there were such a revolutionary set of vote shares, the only single answer to the question of how the seat totals would pan out is "it depends". From there, you'd need to do a number of scenarios, from UNS to proporational to targetted to some mixed version of all three, and provide a set of ranges for the total.

    If UKIP did poll 23% at a general election, it is possible that they might still fail to win a single seat if their vote were extremely uniform. At the other end, they might win upwards of fifty if they could concentrate their vote well enough. In reality, I think 12-20 would be the most likely range.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    RicHolden Conservatives HOLD North Yorkshire with seats still to declare via North Yorks Council northyorks.gov.uk/index.aspx?art…
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    Rate of loss now almost level. After 28 of 34 councils declared the BBC are showing the Conservatives down 22.8% and the LDs down 21.4%.

    Where is this FPTP advantage for the LDs? 1.4%?
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I must say that Tom Watson appears to have totally lost his mojo today - I wonder why... ;^ )
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    JonCJonC Posts: 67
    AveryLP said:

    Plato said:

    And Tories hold Staffs - LOL

    That rather shows Warwickshire up as a dank and dreary bunch of pessimists.

    Time for Messrs. Brooke and Observer to move North to the sunlit uplands.

    Nah it was the voters in Bedworth and Nuneaton (which look and feel like Northern scuzzy towns) which voted in loads of Labourites. the bits of Warwickshire which accept their status as bordering on the South of England were true blue
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    AndyJS said:

    Last time the Tories won 72 of 84 seats in Kent.

    They might not keep control this time.

    Only need three of the remaining fifteen to keep control.

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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    Rate of loss now almost level. After 28 of 34 councils declared the BBC are showing the Conservatives down 22.8% and the LDs down 21.4%.

    Where is this FPTP advantage for the LDs? 1.4%?

    1.4% - ah ha! The LD vote in South Shields too!
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    RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413

    Mr Pole the two universities have turned their backs on you.

    Pah! They famously turned their backs on Maggie, didn't they?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,391

    DavidL said:

    BBC General Election Projection: LAB 29% CON 25% UKIP 23% LD 14%

    How the hell do you get a credible seat projection out of that??

    If it is indeed true (at tim keeps reminding us) that UKIP damages the Tories most of all, that is pretty disastrous for Labour, given that the protest element will subside in a GE.
    The suggestion from the poll the other day that up to 16% they damaged the tories the most but after that the other parties caught up does seem consistent with these results. UKIP has undoubtedly hoovered up huge number of votes that would otherwise have gone to Labour midterm.

    Where they go next, who knows? There are a lot of very disenchanted people out there. After all these were the one's who were sufficiently motivated to vote in locals. The majority were not even that enthusiastic about any of the choices.

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited May 2013
    Tories have retained, Leics though with 2 UKIPers now, both former Tories who defected in March.

    Good to see the BNP out in Coalville decisively, their candidate stood as a British Democrat and got less than 10% of the vote.

    http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/your_council/local_democracy/aboutthecountycouncil/useyourvote/election_results/election_2013/election_2013_division/election_2013_coalville.htm?Division_ID=43

    Dr Eynon is a popular local GP, but with quite a mandate as Labour councillor. With Public Health now based at the County council offices, nice to have a Dr on board.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    RicHolden Conservatives HOLD Leicestershire leics.gov.uk/index/your_cou…
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    If the BBC rate of losses could be applied to the starting point then a straight extrapolation of the rates of change on the 2009 figures are C -349, Lab +204, LD -104. Not far off R&T forecast except for Labour!
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,391

    BBC General Election Projection: LAB 29% CON 25% UKIP 23% LD 14%.

    How the hell do you get a credible seat projection out of that??

    But don't worry, within a week or so we will all be believing Yougov's version of the Labour lead again. 11% I think it was this morning? Snigger.
    A seat projection's credibility (in advance of an election) is as good as the analysis or explanation that comes with it. If there were such a revolutionary set of vote shares, the only single answer to the question of how the seat totals would pan out is "it depends". From there, you'd need to do a number of scenarios, from UNS to proporational to targetted to some mixed version of all three, and provide a set of ranges for the total.

    If UKIP did poll 23% at a general election, it is possible that they might still fail to win a single seat if their vote were extremely uniform. At the other end, they might win upwards of fifty if they could concentrate their vote well enough. In reality, I think 12-20 would be the most likely range.

    As a former SDP supporter in the 1987 election I know exactly what you mean. But you are right, if UKIP do anything like this we are off the map and anything could happen.

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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763

    Mr Pole the two universities have turned their backs on you.

    Pah! They famously turned their backs on Maggie, didn't they?
    Ah yes Mr Louis Seize, that's true but the hinterland traditionally hosts many of the people who work in the towns as opposed the scumbag students.

    I see the blues were even pushed in to 3rd place in Witney.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Share of the vote, Staffordshire:

    Con 36%
    Lab 27%
    UKIP 24%
    LD 4%

    http://moderngov.staffordshire.gov.uk/mgElectionResults.aspx?ID=15&RPID=32042808
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP only 3% behind Lab in Staffs but Lab wins 24 seats to 2 for UKIP.
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