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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Harper said:

    King charles looking very frail now on first public appearance since cancer diagnosis.

    Dark.
    Harper is not wrong tho. KCIII does look suddenly very frail. Feck. Another coronation on the way?!

    They will need to reincorporate Harry at this rate
    Poor Charles. He waited so long for the job and now it looks as though it may be either very fleeting, or clouded by illness
    I’ve rather warmed to KCIII during his brief reign. A bit woke and somewhat quirky but a nice chap, ultimately

    And completely right about architecture
  • HarperHarper Posts: 197
    Heres young men for Trump showing desire for a strong man leader. This is what young men seem to want now.

    https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1756535236207222855?s=20
  • HarperHarper Posts: 197
    Foxy said:

    There are over 1.4 million displaced Palestinians in Rafah and it is the gateway to aid for Gaza - an Israeli offensive there would be catastrophic.

    The fighting must stop now. We need a sustainable ceasefire.

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1756673953970507804?t=sqq1zyR87fAU45fDjrfZcA&s=19

    Does this mean that Starmer now has to demand his own resignation?

    Careful foxy people will be accusing you of antisemitism.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Harper said:

    King charles looking very frail now on first public appearance since cancer diagnosis.

    Dark.
    Harper is not wrong tho. KCIII does look suddenly very frail. Feck. Another coronation on the way?!

    They will need to reincorporate Harry at this rate
    Poor Charles. He waited so long for the job and now it looks as though it may be either very fleeting, or clouded by illness
    I’ve rather warmed to KCIII during his brief reign. A bit woke and somewhat quirky but a nice chap, ultimately

    And completely right about architecture
    We watched the final episode of The Crown yesterday, where he marries Camilla. If it’s at all representative of the real person, he does seem a decent chap. I can’t understand people who hate the Royals for being born into that life, I wouldn’t swap places with them in a million years
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    edited February 11
    Foxy said:

    There are over 1.4 million displaced Palestinians in Rafah and it is the gateway to aid for Gaza - an Israeli offensive there would be catastrophic.

    The fighting must stop now. We need a sustainable ceasefire.

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1756673953970507804?t=sqq1zyR87fAU45fDjrfZcA&s=19

    Does this mean that Starmer now has to demand his own resignation?

    ????

    Not getting you there. Starmer is arguing against an offensive in Rafah. That would therefore become Labour policy. Perhaps he thinks now is the moment for a ceasefire?

    Cameron has also expressed concerns.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    I’m really not a Trump fan, but he has a point that Europe has for too long relied on the US for its own defence, and needs to step up.

    If European countries start buying more American weapons, then Trump will be all in favour of keeping NATO alive. He’s a zero-sum type of guy.
    Yes, he absolutely has a point. The free ride for Europe is coming to an end
    Er, the point is that Trump isn't merely complaining about funding contributions. He's actively forming a partnership with Putin to invade Europe.
    Putin is currently in no position to invade anything else.
    Currently.
    Poland is apparently heavily investing in building up its fleet of tanks. They are not sanguine about Putin's intentions.
    It's almost like somebody wrote an article telling you exactly that.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/01/29/the-intermarium/
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,988
    Leon said:

    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    If it so memorable, why is there not a single sports team alive that knows the words, specifically the words IN THE FKING TITLE !!!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,645
    Harper said:

    Heres young men for Trump showing desire for a strong man leader. This is what young men seem to want now.

    https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1756535236207222855?s=20

    That's why Labour have such a large lead among young people in the UK.

    The barrel-chested Starmer. Fights like a badger.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,246

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    I’m really not a Trump fan, but he has a point that Europe has for too long relied on the US for its own defence, and needs to step up.

    If European countries start buying more American weapons, then Trump will be all in favour of keeping NATO alive. He’s a zero-sum type of guy.
    Yes, he absolutely has a point. The free ride for Europe is coming to an end
    Er, the point is that Trump isn't merely complaining about funding contributions. He's actively forming a partnership with Putin to invade Europe.
    Putin is currently in no position to invade anything else.
    Currently.
    Poland is apparently heavily investing in building up its fleet of tanks. They are not sanguine about Putin's intentions.
    If Polands statements are to be taken at face value, they plan having more tanks/SPGs and a larger airforce than Russia. At least than that Russia can actually field.

    The sums add up - they afford the weapons.

    It does make you wonder about the balance of power in Eastern Europe, doesn’t it?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,113

    Nigelb said:

    Nice clear post with video illustrations attached below.

    Since the media refuses to report on it, let me share what happens at a typical Trump speech:

    1. He comes out to the playing of the “January 6 Anthem” song which he recorded with some of the most dangerous J6 rioters in jail.

    2. He brags how his song with the J6 rioters gets more downloads than Taylor Swift (it does not)

    3. He spends a few minutes talking about passing cognitive exams, and how the audience would not pass the exam, but because he is really smart (he is not) he is able to ace the exam.

    4. He praises Viktor Orban, the leader of Hungary, who Trump says is the most respected leader in Europe (he is not).

    5. He praises President Xi and says he is very strong and rules over 1 billion people with an iron fist and Hollywood couldn’t find an actor as tough as President Xi.

    6. He praises Putin and says people say it’s a bad thing he gets along with Putin but he thinks it’s a good thing.

    7. He makes weird noises reenacting lifting weights with a trans woman and he says “mommy I can’t do it. Mommy. Ughhh, uhh, mommy help me.”

    8. He says he doesn’t like seeing President Biden at the beach and says he has a better body than Biden (he does not)

    9. He talks about his hatred of windmills and his hatred of electric cars. He says he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by sharks however.

    10. He praises the J6 insurrectionists and calls them hostages.

    11. He whines about his court cases, attacks prosecutors, judges, and witnesses, and then praises “the great Alphonse Capone” and brags he was indicted more than Capone.

    12. He quotes Hitler and says immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

    13. He says he wants to be a dictator on day 1.

    14. He plays QAnon music, audience members often make QAnon sign with their hands, and he talks about how America is a failing nation.

    15. He does a weird dance and leaves.

    https://twitter.com/meiselasb/status/1756162844431937593

    And yet the Dems are struggling to beat him.
    Do we go, "lol, those useless cops" when they struggle to catch a serial killer?
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,660

    isam said:

    Do we still do tenuous guilt by association?

    From this morning

    Fab women's q&a session with Labour's @lisanandy, MP and Rochdale's brilliant candidate @CllrAzharAli
    It was great to hear Labour's plans for Govt and how places like Rochdale, forgotten by the fictitious Tory levelling up,will be prioritised for growth.
    #GeneralElectionNow


    https://x.com/bev_place/status/1756668858188902663?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Proscribe the anti- Semitic Labour Party! Oh wait, can we also proscribe the pro- Israel Labour Party?
    Looking forward to the 'institutionally anti-Semitic' tag. Hodge et al should get to work.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    Jerusalem would be far better. Problematic though as it speaks of England.

    At least GSTK is so dreary it doesn't inspire nationalism.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    GSTK is hopeless. If we are not allowed Swing Low, then Sweet Caroline it is!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    There is considerable justification for being pro Israel. There is no justification for antisemitism. I presume people get that?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    There is considerable justification for being pro Israel. There is no justification for antisemitism. I presume people get that?

    Jeremy Corbyn didn't. He conflated Luciana Berger with Likud, and he had plenty of little helpers that agreed.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,241
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    it is perfectly possible the Republican controlled House could try and impeach Biden, however given the Senate remains Democrat controlled it has no chance of leading to a conviction before the next presidential election

    I think ‘control’ is a generous word for what Republicans have in the House…
    They couldn’t organise the impeachment of James in a Roald Dahl story.
    Is that the one where assorted bugs eat the Grand Old Peach from the inside out?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    There is considerable justification for being pro Israel. There is no justification for antisemitism. I presume people get that?

    Jeremy Corbyn didn't. He conflated Luciana Berger with Likud, and he had plenty of little helpers that agreed.
    The one thing in favour of May for the election, from the PM’s point of view, is that Labour might be about to tear themselves apart over the Middle East conflict.
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    It is not anti-Semitic to say that the current Israeli Government is run by a fascist bully.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,241
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    He also has a point. Why on earth should Americans continue to spend blood and treasure defending nations who are easily able to afford a lot more money on defence, but prefer to spend it on early retirement and welfare states that Americans do not get

    Looking at you, Ireland, Austria and
    Slovenia
    Ireland - control of GIUK
    Austria - a dagger at the heart of Europe
    Slovenia - the soft underbelly (well armpit anyway)

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,606
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,897

    Leon said:

    Harper said:

    King charles looking very frail now on first public appearance since cancer diagnosis.

    Dark.
    Harper is not wrong tho. KCIII does look suddenly very frail. Feck. Another coronation on the way?!

    They will need to reincorporate Harry at this rate
    If Charles has started chemo he'll be feeling like shit and there's worse to come. But it doesn't preclude a complete recovery to normal health. Eventually.
    Indeed and William is 16 years older than Elizabeth II when she became Queen anyway and all his children are now ahead of Harry in the line of succession too
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...
    Sandpit said:

    There is considerable justification for being pro Israel. There is no justification for antisemitism. I presume people get that?

    Jeremy Corbyn didn't. He conflated Luciana Berger with Likud, and he had plenty of little helpers that agreed.
    The one thing in favour of May for the election, from the PM’s point of view, is that Labour might be about to tear themselves apart over the Middle East conflict.
    Maybe, but the Tories are even more riven, so it is difficult to see any direct advantage to Sunak, save for Labour majorities slashed in safe seats.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311
    Leon said:

    Harper said:

    King charles looking very frail now on first public appearance since cancer diagnosis.

    Dark.
    Harper is not wrong tho. KCIII does look suddenly very frail. Feck. Another coronation on the way?!

    They will need to reincorporate Harry at this rate
    Both him and Camilla looked a lot more doddery than Biden at their shindig with their silly outfits and huge crowns.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    It is not anti-Semitic to say that the current Israeli Government is run by a fascist bully.

    "Fascist bully"? I prefer genocidal sociopath.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    I’m really not a Trump fan, but he has a point that Europe has for too long relied on the US for its own defence, and needs to step up.

    If European countries start buying more American weapons, then Trump will be all in favour of keeping NATO alive. He’s a zero-sum type of guy.
    Yes, he absolutely has a point. The free ride for Europe is coming to an end
    Er, the point is that Trump isn't merely complaining about funding contributions. He's actively forming a partnership with Putin to invade Europe.
    Putin is currently in no position to invade anything else.
    Currently.
    He's heading in to his 70s and has just had his military hollowed out. He wont be in a position to do anything much but bully a few small nations in the Caucuses
    Russia had transitioned to a war economy. But it is also facing a demographic cliff edge which could put an end to Putin's geopolitical ambitions if he doesnt crack on. The window will close. He's an oldish man in a hurry.
    They producing more shovels now.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311

    Leon said:

    Harper said:

    King charles looking very frail now on first public appearance since cancer diagnosis.

    Dark.
    Harper is not wrong tho. KCIII does look suddenly very frail. Feck. Another coronation on the way?!

    They will need to reincorporate Harry at this rate
    Queen Meghan? I like it.
    Might even have to bring back all their wrong un's, country sweating at the thought of it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    I like the Star Spangled Banner.
    Suits my vocal range.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    That is only in your mind
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    ...

    Sandpit said:

    There is considerable justification for being pro Israel. There is no justification for antisemitism. I presume people get that?

    Jeremy Corbyn didn't. He conflated Luciana Berger with Likud, and he had plenty of little helpers that agreed.
    The one thing in favour of May for the election, from the PM’s point of view, is that Labour might be about to tear themselves apart over the Middle East conflict.
    Maybe, but the Tories are even more riven, so it is difficult to see any direct advantage to Sunak, save for Labour majorities slashed in safe seats.
    Oh don’t get me wrong, perhaps the single biggest reason for May is to avoid the total shellacking the Tories are about to get in the local elections last held at the height of Johnson’s popularity.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,113
    edited February 11

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Trump pointing at Matt Gaetz while repeatedly calling him Rick Gates.
    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1756164250827948384

    Matt is not, yet, a convicted felon.

    Not at all senile...

    Edit - he also got the day of the week wrong, although to be fair other Presidential nominees have done that including JFK.
    We could do with some clarity. Nearly every person their age forgets names and calls people by the wrong ones, it is separate from senility. Trump has always been a bit bonkers, so in his case continued bonkers behaviour doesn't really demonstrate senility either.

    They may or may not both be senile, Trump is definitely mad, neither has good name recall.
    Exactly. There is much ill informed crap being spouted about dementia and Joe Biden.

    My dad often confuses names and dates, struggles for the right word, loses his thread, gets flustered, gets obsessed about something quite trivial.

    But he doesn't have dementia. My mum does but he doesn't. He's been tested and passed easily.

    What he is is 90. Age takes its toll.

    Course Biden *might* have dementia. Just that is concerning enough. No need to amp it up.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Harper said:

    King charles looking very frail now on first public appearance since cancer diagnosis.

    Dark.
    Harper is not wrong tho. KCIII does look suddenly very frail. Feck. Another coronation on the way?!

    They will need to reincorporate Harry at this rate
    Queen Meghan? I like it.
    Might even have to bring back all their wrong un's, country sweating at the thought of it.
    I miss this guy!

    https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/prince-andrew-daughter-eugenie-hand-grope-jeffrey-epstein-queen-elizabeth-balmoral-watch-12-september-2022/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,606
    edited February 11

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
    He's not pro-Putin but pro-American. The people who don't get him just have a different understanding of what America is and are often stuck in a Cold War timewarp.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
    He's not pro-Putin but pro-American. The people who don't get him just have a different understanding of what America is and are often stuck in a Cold War timewarp.
    I am loving your comedy. It's very imaginative.
  • DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
    He's not pro-Putin but pro-American. The people who don't get him just have a different understanding of what America is and are often stuck in a Cold War timewarp.

    His version of pro-Americanism runs directly contrary to fundamental UK security and economic interests. You can put these first or want Trump to be US President.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,606

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
    He's not pro-Putin but pro-American. The people who don't get him just have a different understanding of what America is and are often stuck in a Cold War timewarp.

    His version of pro-Americanism runs directly contrary to fundamental UK security and economic interests. You can put these first or want Trump to be US President.
    The alternative version of America has hardly been pro-British.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    edited February 11

    This guy on YouTube keeps making the complaint that figures of the right have been prosecuted and figures of the left have not.

    Here’s the thing. Trump (as an example) gets taken to court because he breaks the law, not because he is alt right…

    It’s unfair because he is a member of The Legally Challenged Community.

    Sometime ago I met some “penal reformers” who wanted to replace “criminal” with LCC. Because criminal is pejorative, apparently.
    Well, more that criminal identified then as having criminality as an inherent characteristic, perhaps.

    Maybe, "Person With Temporary Legal Difficulties" would be better?
    If I understood the cant correctly, an LCC is someone who is permanent disadvantaged by having a social/cultural issue with the law/society.

    Think Habitual Criminal.
    There's an obsession with seeing people as beyond redemption and therefore requiring permanent punishment/help depending on the superior beings whim.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
    He's not pro-Putin but pro-American. The people who don't get him just have a different understanding of what America is and are often stuck in a Cold War timewarp.
    He’s pro Trump, and nothing else.

    Incidentally it’s not up to him whether the US leaves NATO.
    Congress passed legislation - because of his posturing last time around - making it explicit that the President could not leave NATO without a vote in the Senate.

    So encouraging Russia to attack US NATO allies would literally be giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
  • DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
    He's not pro-Putin but pro-American. The people who don't get him just have a different understanding of what America is and are often stuck in a Cold War timewarp.

    His version of pro-Americanism runs directly contrary to fundamental UK security and economic interests. You can put these first or want Trump to be US President.
    The alternative version of America has hardly been pro-British.

    It has upheld our security interests for the last 80 years.

  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058

    Nigelb said:

    Nice clear post with video illustrations attached below.

    Since the media refuses to report on it, let me share what happens at a typical Trump speech:

    1. He comes out to the playing of the “January 6 Anthem” song which he recorded with some of the most dangerous J6 rioters in jail.

    2. He brags how his song with the J6 rioters gets more downloads than Taylor Swift (it does not)

    3. He spends a few minutes talking about passing cognitive exams, and how the audience would not pass the exam, but because he is really smart (he is not) he is able to ace the exam.

    4. He praises Viktor Orban, the leader of Hungary, who Trump says is the most respected leader in Europe (he is not).

    5. He praises President Xi and says he is very strong and rules over 1 billion people with an iron fist and Hollywood couldn’t find an actor as tough as President Xi.

    6. He praises Putin and says people say it’s a bad thing he gets along with Putin but he thinks it’s a good thing.

    7. He makes weird noises reenacting lifting weights with a trans woman and he says “mommy I can’t do it. Mommy. Ughhh, uhh, mommy help me.”

    8. He says he doesn’t like seeing President Biden at the beach and says he has a better body than Biden (he does not)

    9. He talks about his hatred of windmills and his hatred of electric cars. He says he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by sharks however.

    10. He praises the J6 insurrectionists and calls them hostages.

    11. He whines about his court cases, attacks prosecutors, judges, and witnesses, and then praises “the great Alphonse Capone” and brags he was indicted more than Capone.

    12. He quotes Hitler and says immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

    13. He says he wants to be a dictator on day 1.

    14. He plays QAnon music, audience members often make QAnon sign with their hands, and he talks about how America is a failing nation.

    15. He does a weird dance and leaves.

    https://twitter.com/meiselasb/status/1756162844431937593

    And yet the Dems are struggling to beat him.
    To quote Frank Drebin from Naked Gun 2 1/2, isn't that the fault of the voters?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,367

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
    Trump is very simple to understand - he hasn't grasped that the world is not x a zero sum game (like checkers or happy families) where there is a single winner and one or multiple losers.

    In the real world its very possible for everyone to gain from something as the end result is a bigger pie with more that can be shared round.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
    He's not pro-Putin but pro-American. The people who don't get him just have a different understanding of what America is and are often stuck in a Cold War timewarp.

    His version of pro-Americanism runs directly contrary to fundamental UK security and economic interests. You can put these first or want Trump to be US President.
    The alternative version of America has hardly been pro-British.

    It has upheld our security interests for the last 80 years.

    Suez was 68 years ago ...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261
    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    That is only in your mind
    Well it sure ain’t Flower of Scotland

    I dunno why countries insist on solemn boring turgid anthems

    Waltzing Matilda is magnificent and miles better than ‘advance Australia fair’, gawd elp us

    Molly malone is better than Ireland Ireland or whatever the fuck they sing

    Loch Lomond thingy. Much better than flowers of Scotland

    Waterloo sunset! Better than GSTK. Or boho rhapsody for the full anthemic 7 minutes where opposing teams will be forced to watch us do air guitar to the metal guitar bit, and the long closing croon woowooowooo

    It could be like England’s haka
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    Tucker Carlson has been useful to Viktor Orban because he helps him hide his corruption behind the veil "culture war," as I wrote in September. Reposting because Carlson is in Moscow, doing the same favor for a much bloodier, more dangerous autocrat.
    https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/1754180245370847416
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    I like the Star Spangled Banner.
    Suits my vocal range.
    I have a soft spot for the Star Spangled Banner because I worked out how to play it on the tin whistle (though it's actually a pain in the arse on that instrument).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,606
    edited February 11

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
    He's not pro-Putin but pro-American. The people who don't get him just have a different understanding of what America is and are often stuck in a Cold War timewarp.

    His version of pro-Americanism runs directly contrary to fundamental UK security and economic interests. You can put these first or want Trump to be US President.
    The alternative version of America has hardly been pro-British.

    It has upheld our security interests for the last 80 years.
    You might as well take out US citizenship if you think that. You're totally assimilated.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261
    Your annual reminder of 500,000 Englishmen nobly singing Bohemian Rhapsody in perfect harmony, in Hyde Park


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZnBNuqqz5g

    It always makes me slightly cry
  • Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
    He's not pro-Putin but pro-American. The people who don't get him just have a different understanding of what America is and are often stuck in a Cold War timewarp.

    His version of pro-Americanism runs directly contrary to fundamental UK security and economic interests. You can put these first or want Trump to be US President.
    The alternative version of America has hardly been pro-British.

    It has upheld our security interests for the last 80 years.

    Suez was 68 years ago ...

    Suez was a disaster made in the UK. It was not about UK security, it was about UK delusion.



  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    edited February 11
    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    That is only in your mind
    Well it sure ain’t Flower of Scotland

    I dunno why countries insist on solemn boring turgid anthems

    Waltzing Matilda is magnificent and miles better than ‘advance Australia fair’, gawd elp us

    Molly malone is better than Ireland Ireland or whatever the fuck they sing

    Loch Lomond thingy. Much better than flowers of Scotland

    Waterloo sunset! Better than GSTK. Or boho rhapsody for the full anthemic 7 minutes where opposing teams will be forced to watch us do air guitar to the metal guitar bit, and the long closing croon woowooowooo

    It could be like England’s haka
    John Cage’s 4:33 for the US.
    Literally the anti-TSSB.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Belatedly, the Sunday Rawnsley:

    Ripping up such a large commitment invites scorn for Sir Keir’s claim that people can expect consistency and decisiveness from a government led by him. It leaves the pledge to achieve clean power by 2030 looking terribly dodgy while creating a huge hole at the heart of the party’s growth strategy. “In tatters,” the Tory leader is crowing. Added to which is the danger that voters who were enthused by the commitment to a green economy will now turn away in distrust and disillusion.

    What this conflict has exposed is the fundamental tension at the top of the party between those who think it imperative that Labour plays it safe and those who believe being paralysed by electoral paranoia is itself dangerous. That divide will follow them into power. This sorry saga is not encouraging if it is a precedent for how Labour will handle the hard choices and gritty battles that the party will face in government.

    Just a month ago, Sir Keir was declaring that there would be no resiling from his now defunct plan and defending it from Tory assault was “a fight I want to have”. He may come to regret ducking that fight by instead choosing to take flight.



    Speaking personally, a tactical vote for Labour now feels like a misguided one night stand; a fleeting moment of extreme pleasure followed by a long period of regret about the consequences and the inability to say that “I didn’t vote for this”.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758
    Leon said:

    Your annual reminder of 500,000 Englishmen nobly singing Bohemian Rhapsody in perfect harmony, in Hyde Park


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZnBNuqqz5g

    It always makes me slightly cry

    Yeah, the regular overrunning of Hyde Park is very annoying.
  • Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    I like the Star Spangled Banner.
    Suits my vocal range.
    I have a soft spot for the Star Spangled Banner because I worked out how to play it on the tin whistle (though it's actually a pain in the arse on that instrument).
    Star Spangled Banner was ruined for me when someone pointed out the break to We Wish You A Merry Christmas near the end and now I can't not hear it. Also, it is hard for even professional singers.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
    He's not pro-Putin but pro-American. The people who don't get him just have a different understanding of what America is and are often stuck in a Cold War timewarp.

    His version of pro-Americanism runs directly contrary to fundamental UK security and economic interests. You can put these first or want Trump to be US President.
    The alternative version of America has hardly been pro-British.

    It has upheld our security interests for the last 80 years.

    Suez was 68 years ago ...

    Suez was a disaster made in the UK. It was not about UK security, it was about UK delusion.



    That's certainly an arguable position! The US did pull the plug on what was deemed at the time crucial to UK security by HMG. But did that avoid an even bigger mess? Reply on one side of the paper only. You have three hours.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited February 11
    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    That is only in your mind
    Well it sure ain’t Flower of Scotland

    I dunno why countries insist on solemn boring turgid anthems

    Waltzing Matilda is magnificent and miles better than ‘advance Australia fair’, gawd elp us

    Molly malone is better than Ireland Ireland or whatever the fuck they sing

    Loch Lomond thingy. Much better than flowers of Scotland

    Waterloo sunset! Better than GSTK. Or boho rhapsody for the full anthemic 7 minutes where opposing teams will be forced to watch us do air guitar to the metal guitar bit, and the long closing croon woowooowooo

    It could be like England’s haka
    This is more like our Haka.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESViOhqRdlE

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    I’m really not a Trump fan, but he has a point that Europe has for too long relied on the US for its own defence, and needs to step up.

    If European countries start buying more American weapons, then Trump will be all in favour of keeping NATO alive. He’s a zero-sum type of guy.
    Yes, he absolutely has a point. The free ride for Europe is coming to an end
    Er, the point is that Trump isn't merely complaining about funding contributions. He's actively forming a partnership with Putin to invade Europe.
    Putin is currently in no position to invade anything else.
    Currently.
    Poland is apparently heavily investing in building up its fleet of tanks. They are not sanguine about Putin's intentions.
    If the Republicans have put a stop to support for Ukraine from the US, and the rest of Europe is unable to bridge the gap, I'm not certain that Poland will just watch Ukraine slide to slow defeat against Russia.

    The temptation for them to intervene, while the fighting is still far to the West of Poland's borders, will be strong.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,606
    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
    Trump is very simple to understand - he hasn't grasped that the world is not x a zero sum game (like checkers or happy families) where there is a single winner and one or multiple losers.

    In the real world its very possible for everyone to gain from something as the end result is a bigger pie with more that can be shared round.
    I'm afraid zero-sum competition is back and it's your view that is becoming outdated. You can't keep growing the collective pie in the face of climate change.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    I like the Star Spangled Banner.
    Suits my vocal range.
    I have a soft spot for the Star Spangled Banner because I worked out how to play it on the tin whistle (though it's actually a pain in the arse on that instrument).
    Star Spangled Banner was ruined for me when someone pointed out the break to We Wish You A Merry Christmas near the end and now I can't not hear it. Also, it is hard for even professional singers.
    Any singer with decent range can do it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067

    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
    Trump is very simple to understand - he hasn't grasped that the world is not x a zero sum game (like checkers or happy families) where there is a single winner and one or multiple losers.

    In the real world its very possible for everyone to gain from something as the end result is a bigger pie with more that can be shared round.
    I'm afraid zero-sum competition is back and it's your view that is becoming outdated. You can't keep growing the collective pie in the face of climate change.
    Why not ?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,780
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    I like the Star Spangled Banner.
    Suits my vocal range.
    I have a soft spot for the Star Spangled Banner because I worked out how to play it on the tin whistle (though it's actually a pain in the arse on that instrument).
    Star Spangled Banner was ruined for me when someone pointed out the break to We Wish You A Merry Christmas near the end and now I can't not hear it. Also, it is hard for even professional singers.
    Any singer with decent range can do it.
    Then why don't they? The Americans will start an event with TSSB at the drop of a hat and more often than not it is excrutiating.
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    It is legitimately insane to have watched Trump be President and decide to advocate for him again. Especially people on this website.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    Cookie said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    I like the Star Spangled Banner.
    Suits my vocal range.
    I have a soft spot for the Star Spangled Banner because I worked out how to play it on the tin whistle (though it's actually a pain in the arse on that instrument).
    Star Spangled Banner was ruined for me when someone pointed out the break to We Wish You A Merry Christmas near the end and now I can't not hear it. Also, it is hard for even professional singers.
    Any singer with decent range can do it.
    Then why don't they? The Americans will start an event with TSSB at the drop of a hat and more often than not it is excrutiating.
    Cos they’re not very good.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,606
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    Americans have been telling Europeans not to rely on them for decades now. Why does it take someone putting it as bluntly as Trump for the message to start to sink in?
    Would Trump be so pro- Putin were it not for the provision of credit via Deutsche Bank and the video kompromat taken through a two way mirror in a Moscow Hotel? Hmmm.
    Trump is very simple to understand - he hasn't grasped that the world is not x a zero sum game (like checkers or happy families) where there is a single winner and one or multiple losers.

    In the real world its very possible for everyone to gain from something as the end result is a bigger pie with more that can be shared round.
    I'm afraid zero-sum competition is back and it's your view that is becoming outdated. You can't keep growing the collective pie in the face of climate change.
    Why not ?
    Because the numbers don't add up. You can't have 8 billion people all taking holidays in Tenerife or the equivalent and expect to reduce total resource consumption.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    edited February 11
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    I like the Star Spangled Banner.
    Suits my vocal range.
    I have a soft spot for the Star Spangled Banner because I worked out how to play it on the tin whistle (though it's actually a pain in the arse on that instrument).
    Star Spangled Banner was ruined for me when someone pointed out the break to We Wish You A Merry Christmas near the end and now I can't not hear it. Also, it is hard for even professional singers.
    Any singer with decent range can do it.
    Who’s the singer at the Superb Owl tonight? Usually there’s a market on how long the anthem will take to sing, with loads of analysis about whether the singer is likely to be fast or slow.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,780

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    That is only in your mind
    Well it sure ain’t Flower of Scotland

    I dunno why countries insist on solemn boring turgid anthems

    Waltzing Matilda is magnificent and miles better than ‘advance Australia fair’, gawd elp us

    Molly malone is better than Ireland Ireland or whatever the fuck they sing

    Loch Lomond thingy. Much better than flowers of Scotland

    Waterloo sunset! Better than GSTK. Or boho rhapsody for the full anthemic 7 minutes where opposing teams will be forced to watch us do air guitar to the metal guitar bit, and the long closing croon woowooowooo

    It could be like England’s haka
    This is more like our Haka.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESViOhqRdlE

    Our haka is more like this (actual dancing starts from about halfway through, but I see the preambular lying as part of it).
    https://youtu.be/EOtnZEsbQew?si=-agiSFW1NFkV_nre
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424

    Andrew Rawnsley is not being very complimentary about Sir Keir.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/11/scuttling-his-flagship-green-policy-sir-keir-starmer-has-imperilled-his-credibility

    Is something afoot? I get the feeling there are elements within Labour that have decided the bland, cautious, managerial approach will get them chucked out of office after one term anyway. So therefore what's the point? Will Sir Keir be replaced with someone with vision and vim, with eye towards the future?

    Deleted
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261
    edited February 11
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nice clear post with video illustrations attached below.

    Since the media refuses to report on it, let me share what happens at a typical Trump speech:

    1. He comes out to the playing of the “January 6 Anthem” song which he recorded with some of the most dangerous J6 rioters in jail.

    2. He brags how his song with the J6 rioters gets more downloads than Taylor Swift (it does not)

    3. He spends a few minutes talking about passing cognitive exams, and how the audience would not pass the exam, but because he is really smart (he is not) he is able to ace the exam.

    4. He praises Viktor Orban, the leader of Hungary, who Trump says is the most respected leader in Europe (he is not).

    5. He praises President Xi and says he is very strong and rules over 1 billion people with an iron fist and Hollywood couldn’t find an actor as tough as President Xi.

    6. He praises Putin and says people say it’s a bad thing he gets along with Putin but he thinks it’s a good thing.

    7. He makes weird noises reenacting lifting weights with a trans woman and he says “mommy I can’t do it. Mommy. Ughhh, uhh, mommy help me.”

    8. He says he doesn’t like seeing President Biden at the beach and says he has a better body than Biden (he does not)

    9. He talks about his hatred of windmills and his hatred of electric cars. He says he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by sharks however.

    10. He praises the J6 insurrectionists and calls them hostages.

    11. He whines about his court cases, attacks prosecutors, judges, and witnesses, and then praises “the great Alphonse Capone” and brags he was indicted more than Capone.

    12. He quotes Hitler and says immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

    13. He says he wants to be a dictator on day 1.

    14. He plays QAnon music, audience members often make QAnon sign with their hands, and he talks about how America is a failing nation.

    15. He does a weird dance and leaves.

    https://twitter.com/meiselasb/status/1756162844431937593

    Oh god. This is what I was afraid of. Pivoting to the centre to win over independents.
    Problem for Biden is that this sounds infinitely more amusing than 1 hour watching a tragic old Democrat cadaver pretend he’s not dead

    This occurred to me earlier. Trump is fun. You can kind of like him in an ‘ironic’ way as well. But that may translate into actual votes

    My hunch was that Biden would win a rematch with Trump because, economy. I am now much less certain, you can call it dementia or senility or whatever, does it matter? He obviously has it and it is deeply offputting and no one wants to watch it for another 4 years, it’s like being in a room with your decomposing Irish nan
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,606
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nice clear post with video illustrations attached below.

    Since the media refuses to report on it, let me share what happens at a typical Trump speech:

    1. He comes out to the playing of the “January 6 Anthem” song which he recorded with some of the most dangerous J6 rioters in jail.

    2. He brags how his song with the J6 rioters gets more downloads than Taylor Swift (it does not)

    3. He spends a few minutes talking about passing cognitive exams, and how the audience would not pass the exam, but because he is really smart (he is not) he is able to ace the exam.

    4. He praises Viktor Orban, the leader of Hungary, who Trump says is the most respected leader in Europe (he is not).

    5. He praises President Xi and says he is very strong and rules over 1 billion people with an iron fist and Hollywood couldn’t find an actor as tough as President Xi.

    6. He praises Putin and says people say it’s a bad thing he gets along with Putin but he thinks it’s a good thing.

    7. He makes weird noises reenacting lifting weights with a trans woman and he says “mommy I can’t do it. Mommy. Ughhh, uhh, mommy help me.”

    8. He says he doesn’t like seeing President Biden at the beach and says he has a better body than Biden (he does not)

    9. He talks about his hatred of windmills and his hatred of electric cars. He says he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by sharks however.

    10. He praises the J6 insurrectionists and calls them hostages.

    11. He whines about his court cases, attacks prosecutors, judges, and witnesses, and then praises “the great Alphonse Capone” and brags he was indicted more than Capone.

    12. He quotes Hitler and says immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

    13. He says he wants to be a dictator on day 1.

    14. He plays QAnon music, audience members often make QAnon sign with their hands, and he talks about how America is a failing nation.

    15. He does a weird dance and leaves.

    https://twitter.com/meiselasb/status/1756162844431937593

    Oh god. This is what I was afraid of. Pivoting to the centre to win over independents.
    Problem for Biden is that this sounds infinitely more amusing than 1 hour watching a tragic old Democrat cadaver pretend he’s not dead

    This occurred to me earlier. Trump is fun. You can kind of like him in an ‘ironic’ way as well. But that may translate into actual votes

    My hunch was that Biden would win a rematch with Trump because, economy. I am now much less certain, you can call it dementia or senility or whatever, does it matter? He obviously has it and it is deeply offputting and no one wants to watch it for another 4 years, it’s like being in a room with your decomposing Irish nan
    If you disregard the content, one thing Trump has going for him is that his voice hasn't really deteriorated, whereas even on a good day, Biden sounds like a shadow of himself.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906
    I do wonder what it is going to take to open the eyes of Trump's PB fanclub. Maybe if he threatened to attack the UK? Somehow I expect a few of them would be arguing "he's got a point".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nice clear post with video illustrations attached below.

    Since the media refuses to report on it, let me share what happens at a typical Trump speech:

    1. He comes out to the playing of the “January 6 Anthem” song which he recorded with some of the most dangerous J6 rioters in jail.

    2. He brags how his song with the J6 rioters gets more downloads than Taylor Swift (it does not)

    3. He spends a few minutes talking about passing cognitive exams, and how the audience would not pass the exam, but because he is really smart (he is not) he is able to ace the exam.

    4. He praises Viktor Orban, the leader of Hungary, who Trump says is the most respected leader in Europe (he is not).

    5. He praises President Xi and says he is very strong and rules over 1 billion people with an iron fist and Hollywood couldn’t find an actor as tough as President Xi.

    6. He praises Putin and says people say it’s a bad thing he gets along with Putin but he thinks it’s a good thing.

    7. He makes weird noises reenacting lifting weights with a trans woman and he says “mommy I can’t do it. Mommy. Ughhh, uhh, mommy help me.”

    8. He says he doesn’t like seeing President Biden at the beach and says he has a better body than Biden (he does not)

    9. He talks about his hatred of windmills and his hatred of electric cars. He says he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by sharks however.

    10. He praises the J6 insurrectionists and calls them hostages.

    11. He whines about his court cases, attacks prosecutors, judges, and witnesses, and then praises “the great Alphonse Capone” and brags he was indicted more than Capone.

    12. He quotes Hitler and says immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

    13. He says he wants to be a dictator on day 1.

    14. He plays QAnon music, audience members often make QAnon sign with their hands, and he talks about how America is a failing nation.

    15. He does a weird dance and leaves.

    https://twitter.com/meiselasb/status/1756162844431937593

    Oh god. This is what I was afraid of. Pivoting to the centre to win over independents.
    Problem for Biden is that this sounds infinitely more amusing than 1 hour watching a tragic old Democrat cadaver pretend he’s not dead

    This occurred to me earlier. Trump is fun. You can kind of like him in an ‘ironic’ way as well. But that may translate into actual votes

    My hunch was that Biden would win a rematch with Trump because, economy. I am now much less certain, you can call it dementia or senility or whatever, does it matter? He obviously has it and it is deeply offputting and no one wants to watch it for another 4 years, it’s like being in a room with your decomposing Irish nan
    What tragic c*nt flagged this? Where does it get you? How does it help you? Pfffffwwwoooo!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    That is only in your mind
    Well it sure ain’t Flower of Scotland

    I dunno why countries insist on solemn boring turgid anthems

    Waltzing Matilda is magnificent and miles better than ‘advance Australia fair’, gawd elp us

    Molly malone is better than Ireland Ireland or whatever the fuck they sing

    Loch Lomond thingy. Much better than flowers of Scotland

    Waterloo sunset! Better than GSTK. Or boho rhapsody for the full anthemic 7 minutes where opposing teams will be forced to watch us do air guitar to the metal guitar bit, and the long closing croon woowooowooo

    It could be like England’s haka
    This is more like our Haka.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESViOhqRdlE

    Our haka is more like this (actual dancing starts from about halfway through, but I see the preambular lying as part of it).
    https://youtu.be/EOtnZEsbQew?si=-agiSFW1NFkV_nre
    I like it!
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    Off topic, but important: It's my impression that British-style ties were very common in the US years ago, but are no longer so. There has been a shift to much more casual dress even in offices; for example, almost all the employees at the local Google wear jeans. (Jeans are, for much of the year, a bad choice for the climate here. Cotton is not suited to cool and damp weather.)

    I think this is -- to some extent -- unfortunate, that the more casual dress often goes with a more casual approach to serious matters.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,783

    Andrew Rawnsley is not being very complimentary about Sir Keir.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/11/scuttling-his-flagship-green-policy-sir-keir-starmer-has-imperilled-his-credibility

    Is something afoot? I get the feeling there are elements within Labour that have decided the bland, cautious, managerial approach will get them chucked out of office after one term anyway. So therefore what's the point? Will Sir Keir be replaced with someone with vision and vim, with eye towards the future?

    Deleted
    @OldKingCole I just wanted to apologise for a rather tactless joke I made earlier today. I'm sure you didn't take offence, but I should have thought more regarding your circumstances before posting it.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,780
    Leon said:

    Your annual reminder of 500,000 Englishmen nobly singing Bohemian Rhapsody in perfect harmony, in Hyde Park


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZnBNuqqz5g

    It always makes me slightly cry

    That is lovely, and quite moving. I wish Freddie was still around to see it. I think he'd be chuffed.

    Reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/EOtnZEsbQew?si=-agiSFW1NFkV_nre
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    I like the Star Spangled Banner.
    Suits my vocal range.
    I have a soft spot for the Star Spangled Banner because I worked out how to play it on the tin whistle (though it's actually a pain in the arse on that instrument).
    Star Spangled Banner was ruined for me when someone pointed out the break to We Wish You A Merry Christmas near the end and now I can't not hear it. Also, it is hard for even professional singers.
    Any singer with decent range can do it.
    Who’s the singer at the Superb Owl tonight? Usually there’s a market on how long the anthem will take to sing, with loads of analysis about whether the singer is likely to be fast or slow.
    Contralto, and “country music icon” Reba McEntire.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    Tucker Carlson's family apparently understood him when he was young. If you think one of your kids will be unable to earn an honest living, consistently, you may provide him (or her) a trust fund, so they won't starve. And that's just what his family did for him.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261
    edited February 11
    If someone can go back on topic, let it be me

    I have just recorded a blood pressure of 119/71

    Yes that’s not anything remarkable BUT it is the first time I have recorded an entirely “normal” blood pressure in many years. And this is after 11 solid weeks of diet, fasting, exercise, minimal booze (by my standards), stupidly healthy food. I’ve lost over two stone and it stays lost. You’ve all endured my monomania as I’ve inflicted this on myself so Thankyou, sincerely. Sorry for calling you all “twats”

    It’s been aided by the fact Cambodian food is madly healthy and delicious anyway. Seafood, noodles, greens, fruit

    Nonetheless. A notable BP reading

    I wish all the best to other PB dieters and health seekers
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    From many previous threads: I hope you will excuse me for reminding some of you of the obvious: Putin can have peace any time he wants by pulling his troops out of Ukraine, and asking for mediation.

    Hamas can have peace any time they want by surrendering. As they would, if they cared about the Gazans.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited February 11
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nice clear post with video illustrations attached below.

    Since the media refuses to report on it, let me share what happens at a typical Trump speech:

    1. He comes out to the playing of the “January 6 Anthem” song which he recorded with some of the most dangerous J6 rioters in jail.

    2. He brags how his song with the J6 rioters gets more downloads than Taylor Swift (it does not)

    3. He spends a few minutes talking about passing cognitive exams, and how the audience would not pass the exam, but because he is really smart (he is not) he is able to ace the exam.

    4. He praises Viktor Orban, the leader of Hungary, who Trump says is the most respected leader in Europe (he is not).

    5. He praises President Xi and says he is very strong and rules over 1 billion people with an iron fist and Hollywood couldn’t find an actor as tough as President Xi.

    6. He praises Putin and says people say it’s a bad thing he gets along with Putin but he thinks it’s a good thing.

    7. He makes weird noises reenacting lifting weights with a trans woman and he says “mommy I can’t do it. Mommy. Ughhh, uhh, mommy help me.”

    8. He says he doesn’t like seeing President Biden at the beach and says he has a better body than Biden (he does not)

    9. He talks about his hatred of windmills and his hatred of electric cars. He says he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by sharks however.

    10. He praises the J6 insurrectionists and calls them hostages.

    11. He whines about his court cases, attacks prosecutors, judges, and witnesses, and then praises “the great Alphonse Capone” and brags he was indicted more than Capone.

    12. He quotes Hitler and says immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

    13. He says he wants to be a dictator on day 1.

    14. He plays QAnon music, audience members often make QAnon sign with their hands, and he talks about how America is a failing nation.

    15. He does a weird dance and leaves.

    https://twitter.com/meiselasb/status/1756162844431937593

    Oh god. This is what I was afraid of. Pivoting to the centre to win over independents.
    Problem for Biden is that this sounds infinitely more amusing than 1 hour watching a tragic old Democrat cadaver pretend he’s not dead

    This occurred to me earlier. Trump is fun. You can kind of like him in an ‘ironic’ way as well. But that may translate into actual votes

    My hunch was that Biden would win a rematch with Trump because, economy. I am now much less certain, you can call it dementia or senility or whatever, does it matter? He obviously has it and it is deeply offputting and no one wants to watch it for another 4 years, it’s like being in a room with your decomposing Irish nan
    What tragic c*nt flagged this? Where does it get you? How does it help you? Pfffffwwwoooo!
    Probably just a fat finger. Unless of course Joe Biden subscribes to PB. If he does you and @Williamglenn can expect a shed load of flags.
  • Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump said on Saturday that as president, he warned Nato allies that he “would encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that are “delinquent” as he ramped up his attacks on foreign aid and longstanding international alliances.'

    This builds on previous statements from him he would only defend NATO nations spending at least 2% of their gdp on defence
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/11/donald-trump-russia-nato-allies/

    Trump being re-elected is the end of NATO. Why would anyone want to be reliant on this man?

    You could argue, of course, that this is not necessarily a bad thing and that NATO is well past its sell by date. But it would be the end.
    I’m really not a Trump fan, but he has a point that Europe has for too long relied on the US for its own defence, and needs to step up.

    If European countries start buying more American weapons, then Trump will be all in favour of keeping NATO alive. He’s a zero-sum type of guy.
    Yes, he absolutely has a point. The free ride for Europe is coming to an end
    Er, the point is that Trump isn't merely complaining about funding contributions. He's actively forming a partnership with Putin to invade Europe.
    Putin is currently in no position to invade anything else.
    Currently.
    Poland is apparently heavily investing in building up its fleet of tanks. They are not sanguine about Putin's intentions.
    If the Republicans have put a stop to support for Ukraine from the US, and the rest of Europe is unable to bridge the gap, I'm not certain that Poland will just watch Ukraine slide to slow defeat against Russia.

    The temptation for them to intervene, while the fighting is still far to the West of Poland's borders, will be strong.
    Poland could invade Belarus claiming the same justifications that Russia has used to invade Ukraine.

    The only difference is that Poland would have rather more validity to use them.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,113
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nice clear post with video illustrations attached below.

    Since the media refuses to report on it, let me share what happens at a typical Trump speech:

    1. He comes out to the playing of the “January 6 Anthem” song which he recorded with some of the most dangerous J6 rioters in jail.

    2. He brags how his song with the J6 rioters gets more downloads than Taylor Swift (it does not)

    3. He spends a few minutes talking about passing cognitive exams, and how the audience would not pass the exam, but because he is really smart (he is not) he is able to ace the exam.

    4. He praises Viktor Orban, the leader of Hungary, who Trump says is the most respected leader in Europe (he is not).

    5. He praises President Xi and says he is very strong and rules over 1 billion people with an iron fist and Hollywood couldn’t find an actor as tough as President Xi.

    6. He praises Putin and says people say it’s a bad thing he gets along with Putin but he thinks it’s a good thing.

    7. He makes weird noises reenacting lifting weights with a trans woman and he says “mommy I can’t do it. Mommy. Ughhh, uhh, mommy help me.”

    8. He says he doesn’t like seeing President Biden at the beach and says he has a better body than Biden (he does not)

    9. He talks about his hatred of windmills and his hatred of electric cars. He says he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by sharks however.

    10. He praises the J6 insurrectionists and calls them hostages.

    11. He whines about his court cases, attacks prosecutors, judges, and witnesses, and then praises “the great Alphonse Capone” and brags he was indicted more than Capone.

    12. He quotes Hitler and says immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

    13. He says he wants to be a dictator on day 1.

    14. He plays QAnon music, audience members often make QAnon sign with their hands, and he talks about how America is a failing nation.

    15. He does a weird dance and leaves.

    https://twitter.com/meiselasb/status/1756162844431937593

    Oh god. This is what I was afraid of. Pivoting to the centre to win over independents.
    Problem for Biden is that this sounds infinitely more amusing than 1 hour watching a tragic old Democrat cadaver pretend he’s not dead

    This occurred to me earlier. Trump is fun. You can kind of like him in an ‘ironic’ way as well. But that may translate into actual votes

    My hunch was that Biden would win a rematch with Trump because, economy. I am now much less certain, you can call it dementia or senility or whatever, does it matter? He obviously has it and it is deeply offputting and no one wants to watch it for another 4 years, it’s like being in a room with your decomposing Irish nan
    It's not fun watching a mean-spirited narcissist bully and manipulate people. I hate it. There is just a tiny tiny part of me that's entertained as well as horrified but this is not an aspect of my brain chemistry I wish to encourage.

    It'll be the same with you, I'm sure. The better part of you wants him gone, the worst part laps him up and wants him to win in November. For some reason it's that worst part which seems to animate a lot of your posts.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nice clear post with video illustrations attached below.

    Since the media refuses to report on it, let me share what happens at a typical Trump speech:

    1. He comes out to the playing of the “January 6 Anthem” song which he recorded with some of the most dangerous J6 rioters in jail.

    2. He brags how his song with the J6 rioters gets more downloads than Taylor Swift (it does not)

    3. He spends a few minutes talking about passing cognitive exams, and how the audience would not pass the exam, but because he is really smart (he is not) he is able to ace the exam.

    4. He praises Viktor Orban, the leader of Hungary, who Trump says is the most respected leader in Europe (he is not).

    5. He praises President Xi and says he is very strong and rules over 1 billion people with an iron fist and Hollywood couldn’t find an actor as tough as President Xi.

    6. He praises Putin and says people say it’s a bad thing he gets along with Putin but he thinks it’s a good thing.

    7. He makes weird noises reenacting lifting weights with a trans woman and he says “mommy I can’t do it. Mommy. Ughhh, uhh, mommy help me.”

    8. He says he doesn’t like seeing President Biden at the beach and says he has a better body than Biden (he does not)

    9. He talks about his hatred of windmills and his hatred of electric cars. He says he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by sharks however.

    10. He praises the J6 insurrectionists and calls them hostages.

    11. He whines about his court cases, attacks prosecutors, judges, and witnesses, and then praises “the great Alphonse Capone” and brags he was indicted more than Capone.

    12. He quotes Hitler and says immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

    13. He says he wants to be a dictator on day 1.

    14. He plays QAnon music, audience members often make QAnon sign with their hands, and he talks about how America is a failing nation.

    15. He does a weird dance and leaves.

    https://twitter.com/meiselasb/status/1756162844431937593

    Oh god. This is what I was afraid of. Pivoting to the centre to win over independents.
    Problem for Biden is that this sounds infinitely more amusing than 1 hour watching a tragic old Democrat cadaver pretend he’s not dead

    This occurred to me earlier. Trump is fun. You can kind of like him in an ‘ironic’ way as well. But that may translate into actual votes

    My hunch was that Biden would win a rematch with Trump because, economy. I am now much less certain, you can call it dementia or senility or whatever, does it matter? He obviously has it and it is deeply offputting and no one wants to watch it for another 4 years, it’s like being in a room with your decomposing Irish nan
    What tragic c*nt flagged this? Where does it get you? How does it help you? Pfffffwwwoooo!
    It was probably me. I'm forever accidentally hitting the flag button with my thumb when scrolling PB on my phone. Usually I notice and unflag again, but maybe I missed one. Sorry if so!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,780
    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    That is only in your mind
    Well it sure ain’t Flower of Scotland

    I dunno why countries insist on solemn boring turgid anthems

    Waltzing Matilda is magnificent and miles better than ‘advance Australia fair’, gawd elp us

    Molly malone is better than Ireland Ireland or whatever the fuck they sing

    Loch Lomond thingy. Much better than flowers of Scotland

    Waterloo sunset! Better than GSTK. Or boho rhapsody for the full anthemic 7 minutes where opposing teams will be forced to watch us do air guitar to the metal guitar bit, and the long closing croon woowooowooo

    It could be like England’s haka
    Waterloo Sunset is lovely; a moving evocation of home, and surprisingly forgiving to the amateur singer.
    It is specifically a London song rather than an England song. AIRI, it was Ray Davies's attempt to write a Penny Lane that meant something personal to him. I think it's better, personally.

    I'm trying to think of something which is a moving evocation of home, but which applies to somewhere in L'Angleterre Profonde rather than London (or Liverpool). Best I have managed so far is Half Man Half Biscuit's "Oblong of Dreams", an uncharacteristically sincere declaration of love for the Wirral.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nice clear post with video illustrations attached below.

    Since the media refuses to report on it, let me share what happens at a typical Trump speech:

    1. He comes out to the playing of the “January 6 Anthem” song which he recorded with some of the most dangerous J6 rioters in jail.

    2. He brags how his song with the J6 rioters gets more downloads than Taylor Swift (it does not)

    3. He spends a few minutes talking about passing cognitive exams, and how the audience would not pass the exam, but because he is really smart (he is not) he is able to ace the exam.

    4. He praises Viktor Orban, the leader of Hungary, who Trump says is the most respected leader in Europe (he is not).

    5. He praises President Xi and says he is very strong and rules over 1 billion people with an iron fist and Hollywood couldn’t find an actor as tough as President Xi.

    6. He praises Putin and says people say it’s a bad thing he gets along with Putin but he thinks it’s a good thing.

    7. He makes weird noises reenacting lifting weights with a trans woman and he says “mommy I can’t do it. Mommy. Ughhh, uhh, mommy help me.”

    8. He says he doesn’t like seeing President Biden at the beach and says he has a better body than Biden (he does not)

    9. He talks about his hatred of windmills and his hatred of electric cars. He says he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by sharks however.

    10. He praises the J6 insurrectionists and calls them hostages.

    11. He whines about his court cases, attacks prosecutors, judges, and witnesses, and then praises “the great Alphonse Capone” and brags he was indicted more than Capone.

    12. He quotes Hitler and says immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

    13. He says he wants to be a dictator on day 1.

    14. He plays QAnon music, audience members often make QAnon sign with their hands, and he talks about how America is a failing nation.

    15. He does a weird dance and leaves.

    https://twitter.com/meiselasb/status/1756162844431937593

    Oh god. This is what I was afraid of. Pivoting to the centre to win over independents.
    Problem for Biden is that this sounds infinitely more amusing than 1 hour watching a tragic old Democrat cadaver pretend he’s not dead

    This occurred to me earlier. Trump is fun. You can kind of like him in an ‘ironic’ way as well. But that may translate into actual votes

    My hunch was that Biden would win a rematch with Trump because, economy. I am now much less certain, you can call it dementia or senility or whatever, does it matter? He obviously has it and it is deeply offputting and no one wants to watch it for another 4 years, it’s like being in a room with your decomposing Irish nan
    What tragic c*nt flagged this? Where does it get you? How does it help you? Pfffffwwwoooo!
    Probably just a fat finger. Unless of course Joe Biden subscribes to PB. If he does you and @Williamglenn can expect a shed load of flags.
    I can’t swear it wasn’t me - I’m watching a drama series at the same time.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    Some commenters apparently think of the NYT as monolithic, instead of being a large organization with many viewpoints. It is true that there has been some effort to force conformity recently, which is why they lost Bari Weiss.

    But there are still people like Bret Stephens and Anemona Hartocollis there.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nice clear post with video illustrations attached below.

    Since the media refuses to report on it, let me share what happens at a typical Trump speech:

    1. He comes out to the playing of the “January 6 Anthem” song which he recorded with some of the most dangerous J6 rioters in jail.

    2. He brags how his song with the J6 rioters gets more downloads than Taylor Swift (it does not)

    3. He spends a few minutes talking about passing cognitive exams, and how the audience would not pass the exam, but because he is really smart (he is not) he is able to ace the exam.

    4. He praises Viktor Orban, the leader of Hungary, who Trump says is the most respected leader in Europe (he is not).

    5. He praises President Xi and says he is very strong and rules over 1 billion people with an iron fist and Hollywood couldn’t find an actor as tough as President Xi.

    6. He praises Putin and says people say it’s a bad thing he gets along with Putin but he thinks it’s a good thing.

    7. He makes weird noises reenacting lifting weights with a trans woman and he says “mommy I can’t do it. Mommy. Ughhh, uhh, mommy help me.”

    8. He says he doesn’t like seeing President Biden at the beach and says he has a better body than Biden (he does not)

    9. He talks about his hatred of windmills and his hatred of electric cars. He says he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by sharks however.

    10. He praises the J6 insurrectionists and calls them hostages.

    11. He whines about his court cases, attacks prosecutors, judges, and witnesses, and then praises “the great Alphonse Capone” and brags he was indicted more than Capone.

    12. He quotes Hitler and says immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

    13. He says he wants to be a dictator on day 1.

    14. He plays QAnon music, audience members often make QAnon sign with their hands, and he talks about how America is a failing nation.

    15. He does a weird dance and leaves.

    https://twitter.com/meiselasb/status/1756162844431937593

    Oh god. This is what I was afraid of. Pivoting to the centre to win over independents.
    Problem for Biden is that this sounds infinitely more amusing than 1 hour watching a tragic old Democrat cadaver pretend he’s not dead

    This occurred to me earlier. Trump is fun. You can kind of like him in an ‘ironic’ way as well. But that may translate into actual votes

    My hunch was that Biden would win a rematch with Trump because, economy. I am now much less certain, you can call it dementia or senility or whatever, does it matter? He obviously has it and it is deeply offputting and no one wants to watch it for another 4 years, it’s like being in a room with your decomposing Irish nan
    It's not fun watching a mean-spirited narcissist bully and manipulate people. I hate it. There is just a tiny tiny part of me that's entertained as well as horrified but this is not an aspect of my brain chemistry I wish to encourage.

    It'll be the same with you, I'm sure. The better part of you wants him gone, the worst part laps him up and wants him to win in November. For some reason it's that worst part which seems to animate a lot of your posts.
    I have a spirit of devilry to be sure

    I do genuinely want Trump to lose… but he is funny. Genuinely funny. Worse, he seems to feed off the negative embarrassed energy of his enemies, the more they flail the more animated he becomes

    It’s quite strange

    But. Sober hat on. Mature face adopted. The New York Times is right. Its time to get rid of Biden - however it happens, just do it it - and install anyone vaguely sane with a good VP choice

    Biden is going to lose to Trump, as things stand
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,780

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    That is only in your mind
    Well it sure ain’t Flower of Scotland

    I dunno why countries insist on solemn boring turgid anthems

    Waltzing Matilda is magnificent and miles better than ‘advance Australia fair’, gawd elp us

    Molly malone is better than Ireland Ireland or whatever the fuck they sing

    Loch Lomond thingy. Much better than flowers of Scotland

    Waterloo sunset! Better than GSTK. Or boho rhapsody for the full anthemic 7 minutes where opposing teams will be forced to watch us do air guitar to the metal guitar bit, and the long closing croon woowooowooo

    It could be like England’s haka
    This is more like our Haka.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESViOhqRdlE

    Our haka is more like this (actual dancing starts from about halfway through, but I see the preambular lying as part of it).
    https://youtu.be/EOtnZEsbQew?si=-agiSFW1NFkV_nre
    I like it!
    I'm glad! There's a fair bit of the Newcastle Kingsmen and similar troopa on youtube, and I'm always pleased when they crop up.
    This is what English folk dance is, and should be. Fun. Too often the image is that of a slightly ridiculous Two Ronnies sketch, and we don't really give it the respect we should.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424
    kjh said:

    Andrew Rawnsley is not being very complimentary about Sir Keir.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/11/scuttling-his-flagship-green-policy-sir-keir-starmer-has-imperilled-his-credibility

    Is something afoot? I get the feeling there are elements within Labour that have decided the bland, cautious, managerial approach will get them chucked out of office after one term anyway. So therefore what's the point? Will Sir Keir be replaced with someone with vision and vim, with eye towards the future?

    Deleted
    @OldKingCole I just wanted to apologise for a rather tactless joke I made earlier today. I'm sure you didn't take offence, but I should have thought more regarding your circumstances before posting it.
    Accepted. No worries.
  • Leon said:

    Your annual reminder of 500,000 Englishmen nobly singing Bohemian Rhapsody in perfect harmony, in Hyde Park


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZnBNuqqz5g

    It always makes me slightly cry

    It is quite brilliant. I used to get he same emotion listening to the Welsh crowd singing at Cardiff Arms Park back in the 80s.

    This has that added brilliant 'Waynes World' headbanging moment.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261

    Leon said:

    Your annual reminder of 500,000 Englishmen nobly singing Bohemian Rhapsody in perfect harmony, in Hyde Park


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZnBNuqqz5g

    It always makes me slightly cry

    It is quite brilliant. I used to get he same emotion listening to the Welsh crowd singing at Cardiff Arms Park back in the 80s.

    This has that added brilliant 'Waynes World' headbanging moment.
    They actually sing the guitar parts. It is sublime
  • Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    That is only in your mind
    Well it sure ain’t Flower of Scotland

    I dunno why countries insist on solemn boring turgid anthems

    Waltzing Matilda is magnificent and miles better than ‘advance Australia fair’, gawd elp us

    Molly malone is better than Ireland Ireland or whatever the fuck they sing

    Loch Lomond thingy. Much better than flowers of Scotland

    Waterloo sunset! Better than GSTK. Or boho rhapsody for the full anthemic 7 minutes where opposing teams will be forced to watch us do air guitar to the metal guitar bit, and the long closing croon woowooowooo

    It could be like England’s haka
    Waterloo Sunset is lovely; a moving evocation of home, and surprisingly forgiving to the amateur singer.
    It is specifically a London song rather than an England song. AIRI, it was Ray Davies's attempt to write a Penny Lane that meant something personal to him. I think it's better, personally.

    I'm trying to think of something which is a moving evocation of home, but which applies to somewhere in L'Angleterre Profonde rather than London (or Liverpool). Best I have managed so far is Half Man Half Biscuit's "Oblong of Dreams", an uncharacteristically sincere declaration of love for the Wirral.
    I still like Billy Connolley's suggestion that the anthem shold be the Archer's theme. Of course the problem is there are no words.

    Waterloo Sunset is sublime. All he more so for referencing Terry and Julie.
  • Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nice clear post with video illustrations attached below.

    Since the media refuses to report on it, let me share what happens at a typical Trump speech:

    1. He comes out to the playing of the “January 6 Anthem” song which he recorded with some of the most dangerous J6 rioters in jail.

    2. He brags how his song with the J6 rioters gets more downloads than Taylor Swift (it does not)

    3. He spends a few minutes talking about passing cognitive exams, and how the audience would not pass the exam, but because he is really smart (he is not) he is able to ace the exam.

    4. He praises Viktor Orban, the leader of Hungary, who Trump says is the most respected leader in Europe (he is not).

    5. He praises President Xi and says he is very strong and rules over 1 billion people with an iron fist and Hollywood couldn’t find an actor as tough as President Xi.

    6. He praises Putin and says people say it’s a bad thing he gets along with Putin but he thinks it’s a good thing.

    7. He makes weird noises reenacting lifting weights with a trans woman and he says “mommy I can’t do it. Mommy. Ughhh, uhh, mommy help me.”

    8. He says he doesn’t like seeing President Biden at the beach and says he has a better body than Biden (he does not)

    9. He talks about his hatred of windmills and his hatred of electric cars. He says he would rather be electrocuted than eaten by sharks however.

    10. He praises the J6 insurrectionists and calls them hostages.

    11. He whines about his court cases, attacks prosecutors, judges, and witnesses, and then praises “the great Alphonse Capone” and brags he was indicted more than Capone.

    12. He quotes Hitler and says immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

    13. He says he wants to be a dictator on day 1.

    14. He plays QAnon music, audience members often make QAnon sign with their hands, and he talks about how America is a failing nation.

    15. He does a weird dance and leaves.

    https://twitter.com/meiselasb/status/1756162844431937593

    Oh god. This is what I was afraid of. Pivoting to the centre to win over independents.
    Problem for Biden is that this sounds infinitely more amusing than 1 hour watching a tragic old Democrat cadaver pretend he’s not dead

    This occurred to me earlier. Trump is fun. You can kind of like him in an ‘ironic’ way as well. But that may translate into actual votes

    My hunch was that Biden would win a rematch with Trump because, economy. I am now much less certain, you can call it dementia or senility or whatever, does it matter? He obviously has it and it is deeply offputting and no one wants to watch it for another 4 years, it’s like being in a room with your decomposing Irish nan
    It's not fun watching a mean-spirited narcissist bully and manipulate people. I hate it. There is just a tiny tiny part of me that's entertained as well as horrified but this is not an aspect of my brain chemistry I wish to encourage.

    It'll be the same with you, I'm sure. The better part of you wants him gone, the worst part laps him up and wants him to win in November. For some reason it's that worst part which seems to animate a lot of your posts.
    I have a spirit of devilry to be sure

    I do genuinely want Trump to lose… but he is funny. Genuinely funny. Worse, he seems to feed off the negative embarrassed energy of his enemies, the more they flail the more animated he becomes

    It’s quite strange

    But. Sober hat on. Mature face adopted. The New York Times is right. Its time to get rid of Biden - however it happens, just do it it - and install anyone vaguely sane with a good VP choice

    Biden is going to lose to Trump, as things stand
    Yep. Been saying it for months. Trouble is now I think it is too late.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    That is only in your mind
    Well it sure ain’t Flower of Scotland

    I dunno why countries insist on solemn boring turgid anthems

    Waltzing Matilda is magnificent and miles better than ‘advance Australia fair’, gawd elp us

    Molly malone is better than Ireland Ireland or whatever the fuck they sing

    Loch Lomond thingy. Much better than flowers of Scotland

    Waterloo sunset! Better than GSTK. Or boho rhapsody for the full anthemic 7 minutes where opposing teams will be forced to watch us do air guitar to the metal guitar bit, and the long closing croon woowooowooo

    It could be like England’s haka
    Waterloo Sunset is lovely; a moving evocation of home, and surprisingly forgiving to the amateur singer.
    It is specifically a London song rather than an England song. AIRI, it was Ray Davies's attempt to write a Penny Lane that meant something personal to him. I think it's better, personally.

    I'm trying to think of something which is a moving evocation of home, but which applies to somewhere in L'Angleterre Profonde rather than London (or Liverpool). Best I have managed so far is Half Man Half Biscuit's "Oblong of Dreams", an uncharacteristically sincere declaration of love for the Wirral.
    I still like Billy Connolley's suggestion that the anthem shold be the Archer's theme. Of course the problem is there are no words.

    Waterloo Sunset is sublime. All he more so for referencing Terry and Julie.
    Yes I think we should all get over the london reference. It’s the English. It’s Terry and Julie. They are in paradise. And it’s a marvellous, uplifting song

    It was actually @kinabalu who suggested it as the new crowd anthem for Twickers. The RFU should adopt it forthwith
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    Gavin Newsom's main problem: "A new statewide poll found 70% of respondents expressed high levels of happiness with living in California and applaud the state for its diversity. But 4 in 10 Californians are considering moving out of state, with the majority saying it’s too expensive to live there.

    California has had three consecutive years of population declines, according to U.S. Census data."
    source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/28/california-population-decline-costs-of-living-state/70363036007/

    Obviously, Newsom is not wholly responsible for that exodus, nor even the leftists in California. But they do share some of the blame for the damage done to the state, while they have been running things. And it isn't as if the state lacks resources.

    (Those interested in details may want to read Shellenberger's "San Fransicko".
    https://www.harpercollins.com/products/san-fransicko-michael-shellenberger )
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Italy must have the world’s worst national anthem as a proportion of “possible national songs they could have chosen”

    It's very marchy tin-pot Dictator stuff. But the dirge that is GSTK takes some beating in the sh!te stakes.
    GSTK is fine. Not the best. But it’s really simple, highly memorable, nicely short, and you can really belt it out

    Contrast La Marseillaise which is a fabulous tune but really hard to sing esp in chorus

    We have often discussed this on PB. We usually conclude the Russians and the Welsh have the best anthems
    I like the Star Spangled Banner.
    Suits my vocal range.
    I have a soft spot for the Star Spangled Banner because I worked out how to play it on the tin whistle (though it's actually a pain in the arse on that instrument).
    Star Spangled Banner was ruined for me when someone pointed out the break to We Wish You A Merry Christmas near the end and now I can't not hear it. Also, it is hard for even professional singers.
    Any singer with decent range can do it.
    Who’s the singer at the Superb Owl tonight? Usually there’s a market on how long the anthem will take to sing, with loads of analysis about whether the singer is likely to be fast or slow.
    Contralto, and “country music icon” Reba McEntire.
    The way it is being hyped, I thought that Taylor Swift was playing quarterback, singing the anthem, and doing the half time gig.
  • Carnyx said:

    First like Trump

    Talking about being first, have you been to East Linton yet?
    No, not yet, but did Reston back in July (same day I did the Newhaven/Leith tram extension). Have you done Brent Cross West?
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