Keir is uncharismatic. So were Stanley Baldwin and Clem Attlee.
His interviews yesterday about his plans to reform the NHS were beyond disappointing. All they can come up with is more: more doctors, more nurses, more training, more capacity. Sooner or later we are going to have to work out what kind of health care we can do with less of. A Labour government is capable of being far more radical here than a Tory government who are never trusted with the NHS despite looking after it for the vast majority of its history.
The costs of end of life care and the effort put into giving people a few more all too often painful months is unsustainable. We need to focus on treatments that cost less not more. We need to drop some of the fripperies. The government needs to stop trying to hide behind NICE and face some of these dilemmas. But they won't.
Yes, this is my fear. Starmer is going to be the middle manager of further decline
He will have a large majority and a country willing him on and the potential to make radical reform (which, as you rightly note, only Labour could do) but he will bungle it through caution and timidity. And another 5 years will be wasted
I fiercely hope I’m wrong
He might quickly become a focal point for frustration with the lack of creative thinking. It will no longer be possible to blame everything on the Tories, and if he doesn't offer something transformative, he could turn into a mere transitional figure before something new takes over, either from the left or the right.
No, because he's heading for the sweetest of sweet spots - a good majority yet nobody expecting much from him, merely to be better than the shambles of these last few tory years. It's a terrific platform. He's almost bound to surprise on the upside. He'd need to be another Liz Truss to fail to do that. And there's only one Liz Truss.
Here's a thing and it's a real life thing so you'll like it. During the US presence in Afghanistan one of the statistics compiled (these days the US armed forces are basically big data with big guns) was GDP. This led to some bafflement when despite a rising GDP, satisfaction with the occupation fell. They eventually worked out that they should have been measuring gross/net household income or similar. GDP measures the performance of the country, but household income or similar measures the performance of the people.
It all depends on whether you think the state should service the country (an abstract concept) or the people (a concrete concept).
Though it must be said SKS still isn't exactly setting the world alight and will not be swept into Downing St on a wave of euphoria from the masses like the blessed Tony.
Which is another reason I can see trouble ahead for Labour in the 2024-2029 Parliament..
You could have said the same about Cameron in 2010. Indeed, many Labour commentators assumed Labour were bound to come back in 2015. And look how that turned out. If the Tories are going to come back and win 2029 they'd need to realise why they actually lost, sort their shit out (including ensuring the ERG have no influence whatsoever), and elect a leader is who isn't a lunatic, is likeable, and has the gravitas to be PM. But if NatCon is anything to go by it's more likely the loons will be running show post-defeat, which means they will lose in 28/29.
And given that the NatCon wing are already setting the narrative, that will be hard.
What would a Shadow Cabinet that was trying to win in 2029 look like anyway? Johnson and co have gutted the Conservatives far more effectively than Corbyn ever did.
Speakers were mocking Cameron and One Nation Conservatism at NatCon. It will be years before genuine One Nation Tories (not Sunak - he only seems a moderate because actual One Nation Tories have either been neutered or purged) get any semblance of control over the party again.
Huge off topic rant. Lots of press yesterday that Graeme Souness is going to swim the channel for a charity. Fair does, thats a great effort.
Turns out he's not actually swimming the channel, he's part of a relay.
Now its still a good effort - open water swimming in the English Channel is tough, but its not 'swimming the channel' in my eyes. This is not the first time I've seen this - Alex Brooker did this with Channel 4 a while back.
You'd never say you'd run a marathon if in fact you had done a few miles of a relay, would you?
"A time will come when politicians can tell voters that Brexit was a turkey of an idea, that it makes Britain poorer, that it doesn’t even work as an immigration-cutting retreat from the world. That time isn’t far off. But it isn’t now. Not quite."
Starmer must wait before breaking the Brexit omertà Voters know they made a mistake. That doesn’t mean they are ready to be told so
"A time will come when politicians can tell voters that Brexit was a turkey of an idea, that it makes Britain poorer, that it doesn’t even work as an immigration-cutting retreat from the world. That time isn’t far off. But it isn’t now. Not quite."
Starmer must wait before breaking the Brexit omertà Voters know they made a mistake. That doesn’t mean they are ready to be told so
Ganesh says car manufacturers are asking for the terms of the brexit deal to be altered. No, they aren't. They (both in the UK and EU) are recognising that europe doesn't have enough battery capacity, and asking for time-limited waiver for EV, outside of the deal, to be agreed between the parties.
When the withdrawal agreement and FTA come up for renewal, perhaps EU and UK car manufacturers will want to permanently loosen rules of origin for EVs. But that's not what's happening now.
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
This assumes too many things.
1) That the argument has been 'won' by remain. This is not a given. Without rehashing all the old rubbish part of the reason Brexit is seen in such bad light is effects of covid and the CoL crisis as a result of the war in Ukraine. People are associating rising prices in Tesco's with Brexit, gleefully egged on by those who should (and do) know better. Brexit so far has been poor economically, but it is not the only economic headwind.
2) That your cohort of leave voters should apologise. Much of the rage about Brexit involves the idea that Leavers told lies and that the lies were believed. If this is the case, many of the leave voters should not need to apologise - they were fooled, taken in, deceived.
3) Both sides lied predicted the future with very poor levels of accuracy. For every 'easiest trade deal in history' I give you 'immediate recesssion, millions unemployed'.
Remain conducted an abysmal campaign, and for that alone deserved to lose, but lie? Their "lies" have turned into accurate premonitions.
Some yes, others no. I missed the immediate crisis budget and I'm still missing the millions of unemployed.
The immediate crisis budgeting is now ongoing, OK four years late, and the millions of unemployed is heading for a retail park near you. Remoaners failed to realise all the Eastern Europeans would f*** off back to Eastern Europeland. Leavers (such as Kinabalu's mate Trevor from Dudley) didn't realise that this would mean importing Labour from the Indian Sub- Continent. Trevor says he never saw that on the side of a bus.
"A time will come when politicians can tell voters that Brexit was a turkey of an idea, that it makes Britain poorer, that it doesn’t even work as an immigration-cutting retreat from the world. That time isn’t far off. But it isn’t now. Not quite."
Starmer must wait before breaking the Brexit omertà Voters know they made a mistake. That doesn’t mean they are ready to be told so
Here's a thing and it's a real life thing so you'll like it. During the US presence in Afghanistan one of the statistics compiled (these days the US armed forces are basically big data with big guns) was GDP. This led to some bafflement when despite a rising GDP, satisfaction with the occupation fell. They eventually worked out that they should have been measuring gross/net household income or similar. GDP measures the performance of the country, but household income or similar measures the performance of the people.
It all depends on whether you think the state should service the country (an abstract concept) or the people (a concrete concept).
edit: fixed wrong acronym, apologies.
Read the article. He claims Brexit migration patterns will raise GDP PER CAPITA, not just GDP
“The vast majority of economists, including me, thought Brexit would make the UK considerably less open to both trade and migration with the EU, but somewhat more so to the rest of the world. We were right. We also thought that the downsides of the former would outweigh the upside of the latter. We were wrong.
“In fact, the new post-Brexit migration system has achieved its key objectives. By ending free movement, it has reduced the flow of relatively lower skilled and lower paid workers to some sectors. But by liberalising migration flows from the rest of the world, it has substantially increased those coming to work in the NHS, the care sector, and high-skilled and high-paid roles in information and communications technology, finance and professional services.”
Well I never
Jonathan Portes showing he's an original thinker unencumbered by partisan politics. Great piece. To some extent this is a vindication of Dom Cummings also.
Portes is a great economist. I think his piece in the Guardian though is too ready to focus on one positive aspect of Brexit - the increased net migration and changed composition of inflows of people - without looking at the broader picture and especially the impact on trade and inwards investment, which remains clearly negative. Like him, I am happy to admit that Brexit has actually increased net immigration rather than reduced it. The problem I have with the new immigration regime isn't the increased numbers coming in, which I have no problem with, but the loss of reciprocity.
Importing relatively smarter migrants will - as he says - eventually lift GDP per capita rather than just lifting GDP - which is what EU Free Movement did
Yes, obvs. But we've also raised the cost to businesses of importing those smarter migrants because employers used to be able to get them from the EU without a visa or paperwork and now they can get them from Malaysia or France but have to jump through a lot of bureaucratic hoops. And of course the primary benefit of the higher GDP/capita goes to the immigrant who gets the job. None of which I have a problem with at all, but I'm somewhat surprised to hear you bigging it up given your nativist proclivities. Plus of course, no reciprocity.
Starmer's NHS speech yesterday was a serious and thoughtful effort to set out a future path for the NHS that would make it fit for the 21st C. He recognised the key problems - ageing population and so on. He recognised that spending more money was not a sufficient answer. Rather, the speech focused on saving money through earlier intervention, better screening, more effective use of technology and so on. Combined with specifics on things like mental health, it was more about reform and change than spending more.
Those who are saying that Starmer had nothing to say other than 'spend more' simply haven't read the speech. Of course people may disagree with his solutions, but don't pretend this wasn't a serious attempt at policy-making.
"A time will come when politicians can tell voters that Brexit was a turkey of an idea, that it makes Britain poorer, that it doesn’t even work as an immigration-cutting retreat from the world. That time isn’t far off. But it isn’t now. Not quite."
Starmer must wait before breaking the Brexit omertà Voters know they made a mistake. That doesn’t mean they are ready to be told so
“The vast majority of economists, including me, thought Brexit would make the UK considerably less open to both trade and migration with the EU, but somewhat more so to the rest of the world. We were right. We also thought that the downsides of the former would outweigh the upside of the latter. We were wrong.
“In fact, the new post-Brexit migration system has achieved its key objectives. By ending free movement, it has reduced the flow of relatively lower skilled and lower paid workers to some sectors. But by liberalising migration flows from the rest of the world, it has substantially increased those coming to work in the NHS, the care sector, and high-skilled and high-paid roles in information and communications technology, finance and professional services.”
Well I never
Jonathan Portes showing he's an original thinker unencumbered by partisan politics. Great piece. To some extent this is a vindication of Dom Cummings also.
Portes is a great economist. I think his piece in the Guardian though is too ready to focus on one positive aspect of Brexit - the increased net migration and changed composition of inflows of people - without looking at the broader picture and especially the impact on trade and inwards investment, which remains clearly negative. Like him, I am happy to admit that Brexit has actually increased net immigration rather than reduced it. The problem I have with the new immigration regime isn't the increased numbers coming in, which I have no problem with, but the loss of reciprocity.
Importing relatively smarter migrants will - as he says - eventually lift GDP per capita rather than just lifting GDP - which is what EU Free Movement did
Yes, obvs. But we've also raised the cost to businesses of importing those smarter migrants because employers used to be able to get them from the EU without a visa or paperwork and now they can get them from Malaysia or France but have to jump through a lot of bureaucratic hoops. And of course the primary benefit of the higher GDP/capita goes to the immigrant who gets the job. None of which I have a problem with at all, but I'm somewhat surprised to hear you bigging it up given your nativist proclivities. Plus of course, no reciprocity.
Derrr
We all benefit from a higher GDP per capita. By definition
As for these “bureaucratic hoops” they clearly aren’t much of an obstacle given that the next migration stats are predicted to show 700,000-1m people coming in. Net
Here's a thing and it's a real life thing so you'll like it. During the US presence in Afghanistan one of the statistics compiled (these days the US armed forces are basically big data with big guns) was GDP. This led to some bafflement when despite a rising GDP, satisfaction with the occupation fell. They eventually worked out that they should have been measuring gross/net household income or similar. GDP measures the performance of the country, but household income or similar measures the performance of the people.
It all depends on whether you think the state should service the country (an abstract concept) or the people (a concrete concept).
edit: fixed wrong acronym, apologies.
Read the article. He claims Brexit migration patterns will raise GDP PER CAPITA, not just GDP
So would rounding up the homeless and killing them, but nobody's saying that's a good idea.
Though it must be said SKS still isn't exactly setting the world alight and will not be swept into Downing St on a wave of euphoria from the masses like the blessed Tony.
Which is another reason I can see trouble ahead for Labour in the 2024-2029 Parliament..
Alternatively, he will disappoint far fewer people than Blair did!
Exactly. Him not 'sealing the deal' is deliberate big ticket expectations management. If you can win without getting people all gooey eyed and delusional that's a far preferable way to enter government. This is deep, forward thinking strategy from SKS. He is very very very good at politics.
Though it must be said SKS still isn't exactly setting the world alight and will not be swept into Downing St on a wave of euphoria from the masses like the blessed Tony.
Which is another reason I can see trouble ahead for Labour in the 2024-2029 Parliament..
Alternatively, he will disappoint far fewer people than Blair did!
Exactly. Him not 'sealing the deal' is deliberate big ticket expectations management. If you can win without getting people all gooey eyed and delusional that's a far preferable way to enter government. This is deep, forward thinking strategy from SKS. He is very very very good at politics.
He staged a John Lewis photo op to point at wallpaper
Completely off topic but just got dad and lad seats at Wembley for this Sunday’s League 2 playoff final. £75 all in for category 2 seats, which is not bad really. It’ll be his first trip to Wembley; fully expect 35k+ County fans there with us (dunno what Carlisle will bring; 20k maybe?). Expecting a glorious day in the sunshine, hopefully cheering Stockport on to a second successive promotion.
All those moaning Minnies who decry the playoff system can get in the sea/bin. They’re brilliant and make for fantastic occasions.
What joyless dork decries the playoffs? They are obviously a lot of end-of-season fun
Loads of people! A subset of the larger group who generally miss the whole point of sport though, and advocate for soul-sapping crap like VAR.
County finished fourth, so in a playoffless world we would have just been promoted with a whimper. I would genuinely sooner do the playoff thing and have a shot at winning promotion in a packed out Wembley!
"A time will come when politicians can tell voters that Brexit was a turkey of an idea, that it makes Britain poorer, that it doesn’t even work as an immigration-cutting retreat from the world. That time isn’t far off. But it isn’t now. Not quite."
Starmer must wait before breaking the Brexit omertà Voters know they made a mistake. That doesn’t mean they are ready to be told so
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
Perhaps. But let's do the Big Brexit Apology first, given I've designed it and everything.
We can road-test it on here. Match each PB remainer with 'their' PB leaver who will deliver the (brief but heartfelt) apology to them personally.
Here's a thing and it's a real life thing so you'll like it. During the US presence in Afghanistan one of the statistics compiled (these days the US armed forces are basically big data with big guns) was GDP. This led to some bafflement when despite a rising GDP, satisfaction with the occupation fell. They eventually worked out that they should have been measuring gross/net household income or similar. GDP measures the performance of the country, but household income or similar measures the performance of the people.
It all depends on whether you think the state should service the country (an abstract concept) or the people (a concrete concept).
edit: fixed wrong acronym, apologies.
Read the article. He claims Brexit migration patterns will raise GDP PER CAPITA, not just GDP
Read my point again. GDP, whether GDP per capita or GDP absolute, does not measure the wealth of the individual (it includes inflows and outflows). It is entirely possible that GDP per capita goes up but household income per household [edit: or per capita] goes down. Indeed, I think states such as Dubai do this as a matter of policy, importing poorer and poorer individuals to do the work whilst the indolent rich become richer and more indolent...
Completely off topic but just got dad and lad seats at Wembley for this Sunday’s League 2 playoff final. £75 all in for category 2 seats, which is not bad really. It’ll be his first trip to Wembley; fully expect 35k+ County fans there with us (dunno what Carlisle will bring; 20k maybe?). Expecting a glorious day in the sunshine, hopefully cheering Stockport on to a second successive promotion.
All those moaning Minnies who decry the playoff system can get in the sea/bin. They’re brilliant and make for fantastic occasions.
No offence, but I hope Carlisle give you a proper good stuffing. I once got attacked by some Stockport fans and I've always hated the team since.
I agree with you about the playoffs, great to have the run in when even teams at low as 10th have a hope of sneaking in in the final few weeks.
Boilerplate every-team-has dickheads, but I'm very sorry to hear that. Your feelings are legit.
The club is an a good, optimistic place with a positive culture at the moment but regardless there's still a small bellend contingent (who, tellingly, have only just started creeping back now the team is doing OK again).
Here's a thing and it's a real life thing so you'll like it. During the US presence in Afghanistan one of the statistics compiled (these days the US armed forces are basically big data with big guns) was GDP. This led to some bafflement when despite a rising GDP, satisfaction with the occupation fell. They eventually worked out that they should have been measuring gross/net household income or similar. GDP measures the performance of the country, but household income or similar measures the performance of the people.
It all depends on whether you think the state should service the country (an abstract concept) or the people (a concrete concept).
edit: fixed wrong acronym, apologies.
Read the article. He claims Brexit migration patterns will raise GDP PER CAPITA, not just GDP
So would rounding up the homeless and killing them, but nobody's saying that's a good idea.
Completely off topic but just got dad and lad seats at Wembley for this Sunday’s League 2 playoff final. £75 all in for category 2 seats, which is not bad really. It’ll be his first trip to Wembley; fully expect 35k+ County fans there with us (dunno what Carlisle will bring; 20k maybe?). Expecting a glorious day in the sunshine, hopefully cheering Stockport on to a second successive promotion.
All those moaning Minnies who decry the playoff system can get in the sea/bin. They’re brilliant and make for fantastic occasions.
No offence, but I hope Carlisle give you a proper good stuffing. I once got attacked by some Stockport fans and I've always hated the team since.
I agree with you about the playoffs, great to have the run in when even teams at low as 10th have a hope of sneaking in in the final few weeks.
Boilerplate every-team-has dickheads, but I'm very sorry to hear that. Your feelings are legit.
The club is an a good, optimistic place with a positive culture at the moment but regardless there's still a small bellend contingent (who, tellingly, have only just started creeping back now the team is doing OK again).
I'm sure you're right, and it's only from the point of view of wanting those two particular fans to suffer that I want Stockport to fail. The same could just as easily have happened outside any other football ground. But the grudge is there now
I would say good luck for the final, but perhaps instead I'll say I hope the experience is fulfilling
“The vast majority of economists, including me, thought Brexit would make the UK considerably less open to both trade and migration with the EU, but somewhat more so to the rest of the world. We were right. We also thought that the downsides of the former would outweigh the upside of the latter. We were wrong.
“In fact, the new post-Brexit migration system has achieved its key objectives. By ending free movement, it has reduced the flow of relatively lower skilled and lower paid workers to some sectors. But by liberalising migration flows from the rest of the world, it has substantially increased those coming to work in the NHS, the care sector, and high-skilled and high-paid roles in information and communications technology, finance and professional services.”
Well I never
Jonathan Portes showing he's an original thinker unencumbered by partisan politics. Great piece. To some extent this is a vindication of Dom Cummings also.
Portes is a great economist. I think his piece in the Guardian though is too ready to focus on one positive aspect of Brexit - the increased net migration and changed composition of inflows of people - without looking at the broader picture and especially the impact on trade and inwards investment, which remains clearly negative. Like him, I am happy to admit that Brexit has actually increased net immigration rather than reduced it. The problem I have with the new immigration regime isn't the increased numbers coming in, which I have no problem with, but the loss of reciprocity.
Importing relatively smarter migrants will - as he says - eventually lift GDP per capita rather than just lifting GDP - which is what EU Free Movement did
Yes, obvs. But we've also raised the cost to businesses of importing those smarter migrants because employers used to be able to get them from the EU without a visa or paperwork and now they can get them from Malaysia or France but have to jump through a lot of bureaucratic hoops. And of course the primary benefit of the higher GDP/capita goes to the immigrant who gets the job. None of which I have a problem with at all, but I'm somewhat surprised to hear you bigging it up given your nativist proclivities. Plus of course, no reciprocity.
Derrr
We all benefit from a higher GDP per capita. By definition
Er not necessarily, or at least not by much. GDP is a measure of all the income in the economy, wages and profits. Say the economy grows by adding an additional worker. If that worker is paid more than average then GDP per capita goes up. If they are paid less than average then GDP goes up but GDP per capita goes down. But in the first scenario, nobody else in the economy gets paid any more money than before, so nobody else has any more money despite the rise in GDP per capita. Of course in an economy with a progressive tax and benefit system the higher the wage of the additional immigrant worker the more net benefit to the Treasury. Immigrants tend to be less of a net drain because they are younger and more likely to work than natives. But other things being equal you need to earn a lot more than average for you to pay in more in taxes than you get out owing to our highly progressive tax system. And non EU immigrants are I believe less likely to go home before they get old and become a net burden compared to EU immigrants. So it's not totally obvious that we all benefit from a higher GDP per capita in this new regime. We probably do, but not necessarily because the principal benefit goes to the person whose higher than average income pushes the average up.
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
Perhaps. But let's do the Big Brexit Apology first, given I've designed it and everything. We can road-test it on here. Match each PB remainer with 'their' PB leaver who will deliver the (brief but heartfelt) apology to them personally. I bags you. No rush but when you're ready.
You chose the wrong day to ask for an apology (not that you were ever going to get one)
The guardian has turned. Brexit = good
Sold as a way to reduce immigration but good because it's done the opposite?
"A time will come when politicians can tell voters that Brexit was a turkey of an idea, that it makes Britain poorer, that it doesn’t even work as an immigration-cutting retreat from the world. That time isn’t far off. But it isn’t now. Not quite."
Starmer must wait before breaking the Brexit omertà Voters know they made a mistake. That doesn’t mean they are ready to be told so
Completely off topic but just got dad and lad seats at Wembley for this Sunday’s League 2 playoff final. £75 all in for category 2 seats, which is not bad really. It’ll be his first trip to Wembley; fully expect 35k+ County fans there with us (dunno what Carlisle will bring; 20k maybe?). Expecting a glorious day in the sunshine, hopefully cheering Stockport on to a second successive promotion.
All those moaning Minnies who decry the playoff system can get in the sea/bin. They’re brilliant and make for fantastic occasions.
What joyless dork decries the playoffs? They are obviously a lot of end-of-season fun
Loads of people! A subset of the larger group who generally miss the whole point of sport though, and advocate for soul-sapping crap like VAR.
County finished fourth, so in a playoffless world we would have just been promoted with a whimper. I would genuinely sooner do the playoff thing and have a shot at winning promotion in a packed out Wembley!
Hope you have a good day. I went to County's first appearance at Wembley back in (I think) about 1992, in the final of the Autoglass trophy. County lost 1-0 to Stoke. County then went on to lose at Wembley again that year in the playoff final, and again in the playoff final a year after that. So while I like the playoffs in principle, I am a little jaded by them. Have County ever won at Wembley?
My main objection to the playoffs is not the thing themselves but the fact the final is in bloody London, and as always with Wembley matches the teams from the southeast always seem to win (I have no idea how this stands up to rigorous analysis!)
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
Perhaps. But let's do the Big Brexit Apology first, given I've designed it and everything. We can road-test it on here. Match each PB remainer with 'their' PB leaver who will deliver the (brief but heartfelt) apology to them personally. I bags you. No rush but when you're ready.
You chose the wrong day to ask for an apology (not that you were ever going to get one)
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Trevor insists you meet up at the (No?) Hope Tavern in Netherton, and before he'll agree to anything he'll demand five pints of Holdens and the posh Remoaner pays.
Well that derails things entirely. The whole idea now loses its utility. Back to the drawing board.
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
Perhaps. But let's do the Big Brexit Apology first, given I've designed it and everything. We can road-test it on here. Match each PB remainer with 'their' PB leaver who will deliver the (brief but heartfelt) apology to them personally. I bags you. No rush but when you're ready.
You chose the wrong day to ask for an apology (not that you were ever going to get one)
The guardian has turned. Brexit = good
Sold as a way to reduce immigration but good because it's done the opposite?
Far from Brexit being a racist project it turns out that the only time that Vote Leave was telling the truth was when they told minority voters that voting Leave would mean more immigration from the Commonwealth. And they've even got Leon on board for more immigration. Fair play to them, genuinely.
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Trevor insists you meet up at the (No?) Hope Tavern in Netherton, and before he'll agree to anything he'll demand five pints of Holdens and the posh Remoaner pays.
Well that derails things entirely. The whole idea now loses its utility. Back to the drawing board.
Can you phone ahead to check the (No?) Hope Tavern serves quinoa salad? You don't want to end up eating pie and chips or you'll end up like... them...
Completely off topic but just got dad and lad seats at Wembley for this Sunday’s League 2 playoff final. £75 all in for category 2 seats, which is not bad really. It’ll be his first trip to Wembley; fully expect 35k+ County fans there with us (dunno what Carlisle will bring; 20k maybe?). Expecting a glorious day in the sunshine, hopefully cheering Stockport on to a second successive promotion.
All those moaning Minnies who decry the playoff system can get in the sea/bin. They’re brilliant and make for fantastic occasions.
What joyless dork decries the playoffs? They are obviously a lot of end-of-season fun
Loads of people! A subset of the larger group who generally miss the whole point of sport though, and advocate for soul-sapping crap like VAR.
County finished fourth, so in a playoffless world we would have just been promoted with a whimper. I would genuinely sooner do the playoff thing and have a shot at winning promotion in a packed out Wembley!
Hope you have a good day. I went to County's first appearance at Wembley back in (I think) about 1992, in the final of the Autoglass trophy. County lost 1-0 to Stoke. County then went on to lose at Wembley again that year in the playoff final, and again in the playoff final a year after that. So while I like the playoffs in principle, I am a little jaded by them. Have County ever won at Wembley?
My main objection to the playoffs is not the thing themselves but the fact the final is in bloody London, and as always with Wembley matches the teams from the southeast always seem to win (I have no idea how this stands up to rigorous analysis!)
I remember the Gillingham / Man City playoff. Man City won that one so it's not always true that the Southern team wins.
Respect to Portes. It is an opinion peice as someone noted, not the "official" Guardian view, and it is only about one aspect of Brexit. But respect to Jonathan Portes for his disinterested analysis.
“The vast majority of economists, including me, thought Brexit would make the UK considerably less open to both trade and migration with the EU, but somewhat more so to the rest of the world. We were right. We also thought that the downsides of the former would outweigh the upside of the latter. We were wrong.
“In fact, the new post-Brexit migration system has achieved its key objectives. By ending free movement, it has reduced the flow of relatively lower skilled and lower paid workers to some sectors. But by liberalising migration flows from the rest of the world, it has substantially increased those coming to work in the NHS, the care sector, and high-skilled and high-paid roles in information and communications technology, finance and professional services.”
Well I never
The article, digested
"Your fresh fruit is going to get more expensive but nurses' salaries are going to fall because Nigerian nurses are far cheaper than you".
Gee. Thanks, Guardian.
No. He’s saying Bulgarian Big Issue sellers are being replaced by Egyptian bankers and Malaysian tech bros. Which means Brexit is working - better than he expected - which means the country will get richer - quicker than he expected - which means Brexit was the right choice
I am not convinced that "the NHS, the care sector, and high-skilled and high-paid roles in information and communications technology, finance and professional services" are made up solely of Egyptian bankers and Malaysian tech bros. More likely Nigerian and Indian nurses and doctors, Indian and Russian coders, and Egyptian bankers. I don't know what a "Malaysian tech bro" is and I suspect I would be dubious if I did.
Tech bro is slang for “People with technical skills and more power and money than their decently non-technical betters”
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
Perhaps. But let's do the Big Brexit Apology first, given I've designed it and everything. We can road-test it on here. Match each PB remainer with 'their' PB leaver who will deliver the (brief but heartfelt) apology to them personally. I bags you. No rush but when you're ready.
You chose the wrong day to ask for an apology (not that you were ever going to get one)
The guardian has turned. Brexit = good
Sold as a way to reduce immigration but good because it's done the opposite?
Far from Brexit being a racist project it turns out that the only time that Vote Leave was telling the truth was when they told minority voters that voting Leave would mean more immigration from the Commonwealth. And they've even got Leon on board for more immigration. Fair play to them, genuinely.
The rejoin movement will be quite vulnerable to being portrayed as Mosleyite.
Completely off topic but just got dad and lad seats at Wembley for this Sunday’s League 2 playoff final. £75 all in for category 2 seats, which is not bad really. It’ll be his first trip to Wembley; fully expect 35k+ County fans there with us (dunno what Carlisle will bring; 20k maybe?). Expecting a glorious day in the sunshine, hopefully cheering Stockport on to a second successive promotion.
All those moaning Minnies who decry the playoff system can get in the sea/bin. They’re brilliant and make for fantastic occasions.
What joyless dork decries the playoffs? They are obviously a lot of end-of-season fun
Loads of people! A subset of the larger group who generally miss the whole point of sport though, and advocate for soul-sapping crap like VAR.
County finished fourth, so in a playoffless world we would have just been promoted with a whimper. I would genuinely sooner do the playoff thing and have a shot at winning promotion in a packed out Wembley!
Hope you have a good day. I went to County's first appearance at Wembley back in (I think) about 1992, in the final of the Autoglass trophy. County lost 1-0 to Stoke. County then went on to lose at Wembley again that year in the playoff final, and again in the playoff final a year after that. So while I like the playoffs in principle, I am a little jaded by them. Have County ever won at Wembley?
My main objection to the playoffs is not the thing themselves but the fact the final is in bloody London, and as always with Wembley matches the teams from the southeast always seem to win (I have no idea how this stands up to rigorous analysis!)
Yes, 2008 (vs Rochdale, again the league 2 playoffs)
Completely off topic but just got dad and lad seats at Wembley for this Sunday’s League 2 playoff final. £75 all in for category 2 seats, which is not bad really. It’ll be his first trip to Wembley; fully expect 35k+ County fans there with us (dunno what Carlisle will bring; 20k maybe?). Expecting a glorious day in the sunshine, hopefully cheering Stockport on to a second successive promotion.
All those moaning Minnies who decry the playoff system can get in the sea/bin. They’re brilliant and make for fantastic occasions.
What joyless dork decries the playoffs? They are obviously a lot of end-of-season fun
Loads of people! A subset of the larger group who generally miss the whole point of sport though, and advocate for soul-sapping crap like VAR.
County finished fourth, so in a playoffless world we would have just been promoted with a whimper. I would genuinely sooner do the playoff thing and have a shot at winning promotion in a packed out Wembley!
Hope you have a good day. I went to County's first appearance at Wembley back in (I think) about 1992, in the final of the Autoglass trophy. County lost 1-0 to Stoke. County then went on to lose at Wembley again that year in the playoff final, and again in the playoff final a year after that. So while I like the playoffs in principle, I am a little jaded by them. Have County ever won at Wembley?
My main objection to the playoffs is not the thing themselves but the fact the final is in bloody London, and as always with Wembley matches the teams from the southeast always seem to win (I have no idea how this stands up to rigorous analysis!)
Yes, 2008 (vs Rochdale, again the league 2 playoffs)
Wouldn't it have been in Cardiff back then? I seem to remember a few finals were held there
EDIT: up to 2006 it seems. Hmmm, didn't realise it was quite that long ago
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
Perhaps. But let's do the Big Brexit Apology first, given I've designed it and everything. We can road-test it on here. Match each PB remainer with 'their' PB leaver who will deliver the (brief but heartfelt) apology to them personally. I bags you. No rush but when you're ready.
You chose the wrong day to ask for an apology (not that you were ever going to get one)
The guardian has turned. Brexit = good
Sold as a way to reduce immigration but good because it's done the opposite?
Far from Brexit being a racist project it turns out that the only time that Vote Leave was telling the truth was when they told minority voters that voting Leave would mean more immigration from the Commonwealth. And they've even got Leon on board for more immigration. Fair play to them, genuinely.
The rejoin movement will be quite vulnerable to being portrayed as Mosleyite.
“The vast majority of economists, including me, thought Brexit would make the UK considerably less open to both trade and migration with the EU, but somewhat more so to the rest of the world. We were right. We also thought that the downsides of the former would outweigh the upside of the latter. We were wrong.
“In fact, the new post-Brexit migration system has achieved its key objectives. By ending free movement, it has reduced the flow of relatively lower skilled and lower paid workers to some sectors. But by liberalising migration flows from the rest of the world, it has substantially increased those coming to work in the NHS, the care sector, and high-skilled and high-paid roles in information and communications technology, finance and professional services.”
Well I never
The article, digested
"Your fresh fruit is going to get more expensive but nurses' salaries are going to fall because Nigerian nurses are far cheaper than you".
Gee. Thanks, Guardian.
No. He’s saying Bulgarian Big Issue sellers are being replaced by Egyptian bankers and Malaysian tech bros. Which means Brexit is working - better than he expected - which means the country will get richer - quicker than he expected - which means Brexit was the right choice
I am not convinced that "the NHS, the care sector, and high-skilled and high-paid roles in information and communications technology, finance and professional services" are made up solely of Egyptian bankers and Malaysian tech bros. More likely Nigerian and Indian nurses and doctors, Indian and Russian coders, and Egyptian bankers. I don't know what a "Malaysian tech bro" is and I suspect I would be dubious if I did.
Tech bro is slang for “People with technical skills and more power and money than their decently non-technical betters”
Oh. You mean "coder" then...
(incidentally, coders don't earn much when compared to IT management, who - by definition - have increasingly irrelevant tech skills)
Completely off topic but just got dad and lad seats at Wembley for this Sunday’s League 2 playoff final. £75 all in for category 2 seats, which is not bad really. It’ll be his first trip to Wembley; fully expect 35k+ County fans there with us (dunno what Carlisle will bring; 20k maybe?). Expecting a glorious day in the sunshine, hopefully cheering Stockport on to a second successive promotion.
All those moaning Minnies who decry the playoff system can get in the sea/bin. They’re brilliant and make for fantastic occasions.
What joyless dork decries the playoffs? They are obviously a lot of end-of-season fun
Generally yes, I agree, and certainly in that league where three go up automatically.
In the National League the system is moronic.
There's only one automatic promotion slot and the second placed team has to play off regardless of how many points they have – Notts County only scraped up this year open penalties despite amassing enough points to win the title in the entire history of the division!
(Admittedly it would have been quite funny if they hadn't gone up, but you take my point).
On a similar topic, I'd like to see one team from the league above sucked into the playoffs, like they do in France. A bit of extra jeopardy at the bottom!
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Tbh, that sounds even crappier than Brexitfest, or whatever it was called.
At least that had music, I suppose. Ah well, the debate goes on then. No shortcuts. We'll just have to grind it out.
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
Perhaps. But let's do the Big Brexit Apology first, given I've designed it and everything. We can road-test it on here. Match each PB remainer with 'their' PB leaver who will deliver the (brief but heartfelt) apology to them personally. I bags you. No rush but when you're ready.
You chose the wrong day to ask for an apology (not that you were ever going to get one)
The guardian has turned. Brexit = good
Sold as a way to reduce immigration but good because it's done the opposite?
Far from Brexit being a racist project it turns out that the only time that Vote Leave was telling the truth was when they told minority voters that voting Leave would mean more immigration from the Commonwealth. And they've even got Leon on board for more immigration. Fair play to them, genuinely.
The rejoin movement will be quite vulnerable to being portrayed as Mosleyite.
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
Perhaps. But let's do the Big Brexit Apology first, given I've designed it and everything. We can road-test it on here. Match each PB remainer with 'their' PB leaver who will deliver the (brief but heartfelt) apology to them personally. I bags you. No rush but when you're ready.
You chose the wrong day to ask for an apology (not that you were ever going to get one)
I wouldn't (as someone who is still positive about Brexit) for a minute claim that it vindicates what has happened as I think it is far more luck than judgement onthe part of Government but for someone who thinks immigration is a good thing it is nice to see the case put so cogently.
I am sure most of those who oppose Brexit would have reasonable arguments to counter this but it does make a nice change to see a positive case put for once.
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
Perhaps. But let's do the Big Brexit Apology first, given I've designed it and everything. We can road-test it on here. Match each PB remainer with 'their' PB leaver who will deliver the (brief but heartfelt) apology to them personally. I bags you. No rush but when you're ready.
You chose the wrong day to ask for an apology (not that you were ever going to get one)
The guardian has turned. Brexit = good
Has it? In what context?
I’m somewhat trolling (I know, it’s unlike me). But there is a jolly interesting Guardian economics article from J Portes saying he’s identified a large Brexit benefit and Brexit is working as intended (on migration). You’ll find the link upthread
Completely off topic but just got dad and lad seats at Wembley for this Sunday’s League 2 playoff final. £75 all in for category 2 seats, which is not bad really. It’ll be his first trip to Wembley; fully expect 35k+ County fans there with us (dunno what Carlisle will bring; 20k maybe?). Expecting a glorious day in the sunshine, hopefully cheering Stockport on to a second successive promotion.
All those moaning Minnies who decry the playoff system can get in the sea/bin. They’re brilliant and make for fantastic occasions.
What joyless dork decries the playoffs? They are obviously a lot of end-of-season fun
Generally yes, I agree, and certainly in that league where three go up automatically.
In the National League the system is moronic.
There's only one automatic promotion slot and the second placed team has to play off regardless of how many points they have – Notts County only scraped up this year open penalties despite amassing enough points to win the title in the entire history of the division!
(Admittedly it would have been quite funny if they hadn't gone up, but you take my point).
On a similar topic, I'd like to see one team from the league above sucked into the playoffs, like they do in France. A bit of extra jeopardy at the bottom!
I'm sure you know this but when initially introduced (1989?) that was the system. Effectively three from the Championship (positions 3 to 5) and the 18th placed premiership club.
Notable that the Guardian has disallowed comments on that Portes article. Probably a lot of Remainer readers staring at it with migraines of cognitive dissonance
Completely off topic but just got dad and lad seats at Wembley for this Sunday’s League 2 playoff final. £75 all in for category 2 seats, which is not bad really. It’ll be his first trip to Wembley; fully expect 35k+ County fans there with us (dunno what Carlisle will bring; 20k maybe?). Expecting a glorious day in the sunshine, hopefully cheering Stockport on to a second successive promotion.
All those moaning Minnies who decry the playoff system can get in the sea/bin. They’re brilliant and make for fantastic occasions.
What joyless dork decries the playoffs? They are obviously a lot of end-of-season fun
Generally yes, I agree, and certainly in that league where three go up automatically.
In the National League the system is moronic.
There's only one automatic promotion slot and the second placed team has to play off regardless of how many points they have – Notts County only scraped up this year open penalties despite amassing enough points to win the title in the entire history of the division!
(Admittedly it would have been quite funny if they hadn't gone up, but you take my point).
On a similar topic, I'd like to see one team from the league above sucked into the playoffs, like they do in France. A bit of extra jeopardy at the bottom!
Actually yes - this is true. Though realistically it ought to really be three up three down at least. It's very unusual for a team promoted to the league to get relegated again next season (or at least much less common than in the higher leagues) and there's a real bottleneck of teams at the top of the conference who could be playing in league 2 and probably be around mid-table.
It was pretty funny last season when Wrexham didn't get promoted though.
Completely off topic but just got dad and lad seats at Wembley for this Sunday’s League 2 playoff final. £75 all in for category 2 seats, which is not bad really. It’ll be his first trip to Wembley; fully expect 35k+ County fans there with us (dunno what Carlisle will bring; 20k maybe?). Expecting a glorious day in the sunshine, hopefully cheering Stockport on to a second successive promotion.
All those moaning Minnies who decry the playoff system can get in the sea/bin. They’re brilliant and make for fantastic occasions.
What joyless dork decries the playoffs? They are obviously a lot of end-of-season fun
Fans of the team who finish 3rd, 10 points clear of everyone else, and don't get promoted due to a dodgy penalty decision in the playoff final.
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
How many Brexiteers will be alive in a few years' time though?
Not many who will admit to it, going on current trends.
Even if you allow for the possibility that Brexit has objectively been a good thing, the steadily growing will of the people is to regard it as a mistake. Doesn't Matter- the public are right, even when they're wrong. And the people who persuaded the public to do this in the first place are pretty much all diminished in the public's eyes.
To take a popular analogy, the country is not only back on the pill, but it's got a headache.
It's odd but the dislike of Brexit does not seem to translate into a desire to rejoin. I suspect that the EU is not seen by most voters as a beacon to lead the country back to the future. I think that right now the overwhelming political view of most people is one giant "meh". I was entertaining a large group of 25 friends for a memorial celebration of my former partner's life here this weekend - mostly aged late 40-50 and that seemed very much their general attitude. They're a fairly m/c group based in London surroundings. What struck me most was just their general lack of interest. But they were huge fun to be with for this almost 70 year old.
Notable that the Guardian has disallowed comments on that Portes article. Probably a lot of Remainer readers staring at it with migraines of cognitive dissonance
Possibly also to avoid the hordes of people who know what the GDP definition is and would like a word...
Notable that the Guardian has disallowed comments on that Portes article. Probably a lot of Remainer readers staring at it with migraines of cognitive dissonance
Possibly also to avoid the hordes of people who know what the GDP definition is and would like a word...
“The vast majority of economists, including me, thought Brexit would make the UK considerably less open to both trade and migration with the EU, but somewhat more so to the rest of the world. We were right. We also thought that the downsides of the former would outweigh the upside of the latter. We were wrong.
“In fact, the new post-Brexit migration system has achieved its key objectives. By ending free movement, it has reduced the flow of relatively lower skilled and lower paid workers to some sectors. But by liberalising migration flows from the rest of the world, it has substantially increased those coming to work in the NHS, the care sector, and high-skilled and high-paid roles in information and communications technology, finance and professional services.”
Well I never
The article, digested
"Your fresh fruit is going to get more expensive but nurses' salaries are going to fall because Nigerian nurses are far cheaper than you".
Gee. Thanks, Guardian.
No. He’s saying Bulgarian Big Issue sellers are being replaced by Egyptian bankers and Malaysian tech bros. Which means Brexit is working - better than he expected - which means the country will get richer - quicker than he expected - which means Brexit was the right choice
I am not convinced that "the NHS, the care sector, and high-skilled and high-paid roles in information and communications technology, finance and professional services" are made up solely of Egyptian bankers and Malaysian tech bros. More likely Nigerian and Indian nurses and doctors, Indian and Russian coders, and Egyptian bankers. I don't know what a "Malaysian tech bro" is and I suspect I would be dubious if I did.
Tech bro is slang for “People with technical skills and more power and money than their decently non-technical betters”
(part 2) Incidentally, what the fuck is a Malaysian coder doing in the UK? Couldn't they look at a map? Silicon Valley is closer and they'd earn far more. Do they like rain or something?
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
How many Brexiteers will be alive in a few years' time though?
Not many who will admit to it, going on current trends.
Even if you allow for the possibility that Brexit has objectively been a good thing, the steadily growing will of the people is to regard it as a mistake. Doesn't Matter- the public are right, even when they're wrong. And the people who persuaded the public to do this in the first place are pretty much all diminished in the public's eyes.
To take a popular analogy, the country is not only back on the pill, but it's got a headache.
It's odd but the dislike of Brexit does not seem to translate into a desire to rejoin. I suspect that the EU is not seen by most voters as a beacon to lead the country back to the future. I think that right now the overwhelming political view of most people is one giant "meh". I was entertaining a large group of 25 friends for a memorial celebration of my former partner's life here this weekend - mostly aged late 40-50 and that seemed very much their general attitude. They're a fairly m/c group based in London surroundings. What struck me most was just their general lack of interest. But they were huge fun to be with for this almost 70 year old.
Rejoin just ain’t gonna happen. It’s FAR too difficult and the EU would rightly insist that we join the euro and schenghen to make sure we don’t change our minds yet again - and there’s no way we are joining the euro
We will settle into something like Switzerland, ish
Completely off topic but just got dad and lad seats at Wembley for this Sunday’s League 2 playoff final. £75 all in for category 2 seats, which is not bad really. It’ll be his first trip to Wembley; fully expect 35k+ County fans there with us (dunno what Carlisle will bring; 20k maybe?). Expecting a glorious day in the sunshine, hopefully cheering Stockport on to a second successive promotion.
All those moaning Minnies who decry the playoff system can get in the sea/bin. They’re brilliant and make for fantastic occasions.
What joyless dork decries the playoffs? They are obviously a lot of end-of-season fun
Fans of the team who finish 3rd, 10 points clear of everyone else, and don't get promoted due to a dodgy penalty decision in the playoff final.
They should've finished second if they wanted automatic promotion though
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
How many Brexiteers will be alive in a few years' time though?
Not many who will admit to it, going on current trends.
Even if you allow for the possibility that Brexit has objectively been a good thing, the steadily growing will of the people is to regard it as a mistake. Doesn't Matter- the public are right, even when they're wrong. And the people who persuaded the public to do this in the first place are pretty much all diminished in the public's eyes.
To take a popular analogy, the country is not only back on the pill, but it's got a headache.
It's odd but the dislike of Brexit does not seem to translate into a desire to rejoin. I suspect that the EU is not seen by most voters as a beacon to lead the country back to the future. I think that right now the overwhelming political view of most people is one giant "meh". I was entertaining a large group of 25 friends for a memorial celebration of my former partner's life here this weekend - mostly aged late 40-50 and that seemed very much their general attitude. They're a fairly m/c group based in London surroundings. What struck me most was just their general lack of interest. But they were huge fun to be with for this almost 70 year old.
Rejoin just ain’t gonna happen. It’s FAR too difficult and the EU would rightly insist that we join the euro and schenghen to make sure we don’t change our minds yet again - and there’s no way we are joining the euro
We will settle into something like Switzerland, ish
Of course but you have to feel for Scott_c of this parish. All of those insane posts to no purpose.
“The vast majority of economists, including me, thought Brexit would make the UK considerably less open to both trade and migration with the EU, but somewhat more so to the rest of the world. We were right. We also thought that the downsides of the former would outweigh the upside of the latter. We were wrong.
“In fact, the new post-Brexit migration system has achieved its key objectives. By ending free movement, it has reduced the flow of relatively lower skilled and lower paid workers to some sectors. But by liberalising migration flows from the rest of the world, it has substantially increased those coming to work in the NHS, the care sector, and high-skilled and high-paid roles in information and communications technology, finance and professional services.”
Well I never
Jonathan Portes showing he's an original thinker unencumbered by partisan politics. Great piece. To some extent this is a vindication of Dom Cummings also.
Portes is a great economist. I think his piece in the Guardian though is too ready to focus on one positive aspect of Brexit - the increased net migration and changed composition of inflows of people - without looking at the broader picture and especially the impact on trade and inwards investment, which remains clearly negative. Like him, I am happy to admit that Brexit has actually increased net immigration rather than reduced it. The problem I have with the new immigration regime isn't the increased numbers coming in, which I have no problem with, but the loss of reciprocity.
Importing relatively smarter migrants will - as he says - eventually lift GDP per capita rather than just lifting GDP - which is what EU Free Movement did
Yes, obvs. But we've also raised the cost to businesses of importing those smarter migrants because employers used to be able to get them from the EU without a visa or paperwork and now they can get them from Malaysia or France but have to jump through a lot of bureaucratic hoops. And of course the primary benefit of the higher GDP/capita goes to the immigrant who gets the job. None of which I have a problem with at all, but I'm somewhat surprised to hear you bigging it up given your nativist proclivities. Plus of course, no reciprocity.
Derrr
We all benefit from a higher GDP per capita. By definition
As for these “bureaucratic hoops” they clearly aren’t much of an obstacle given that the next migration stats are predicted to show 700,000-1m people coming in. Net
In which case 1% GDP growth wouldn't represent any growth per capita.
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
How many Brexiteers will be alive in a few years' time though?
Not many who will admit to it, going on current trends.
Even if you allow for the possibility that Brexit has objectively been a good thing, the steadily growing will of the people is to regard it as a mistake. Doesn't Matter- the public are right, even when they're wrong. And the people who persuaded the public to do this in the first place are pretty much all diminished in the public's eyes.
To take a popular analogy, the country is not only back on the pill, but it's got a headache.
It's odd but the dislike of Brexit does not seem to translate into a desire to rejoin. I suspect that the EU is not seen by most voters as a beacon to lead the country back to the future. I think that right now the overwhelming political view of most people is one giant "meh". I was entertaining a large group of 25 friends for a memorial celebration of my former partner's life here this weekend - mostly aged late 40-50 and that seemed very much their general attitude. They're a fairly m/c group based in London surroundings. What struck me most was just their general lack of interest. But they were huge fun to be with for this almost 70 year old.
Rejoin just ain’t gonna happen. It’s FAR too difficult and the EU would rightly insist that we join the euro and schenghen to make sure we don’t change our minds yet again - and there’s no way we are joining the euro
We will settle into something like Switzerland, ish
Are we happy with this great and storied nation of ours striving to be like Switzerland?
@SamCoatesSky Sunak government go further on voter ID for elections
Written statement just published unveiling plans to mandate ID for postal and proxy votes, and to make people apply for postal votes every three years.
@SamCoatesSky Sunak government go further on voter ID for elections
Written statement just published unveiling plans to mandate ID for postal and proxy votes, and to make people apply for postal votes every three years.
@SamCoatesSky Sunak government go further on voter ID for elections
Written statement just published unveiling plans to mandate ID for postal and proxy votes, and to make people apply for postal votes every three years.
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
How many Brexiteers will be alive in a few years' time though?
Not many who will admit to it, going on current trends.
Even if you allow for the possibility that Brexit has objectively been a good thing, the steadily growing will of the people is to regard it as a mistake. Doesn't Matter- the public are right, even when they're wrong. And the people who persuaded the public to do this in the first place are pretty much all diminished in the public's eyes.
To take a popular analogy, the country is not only back on the pill, but it's got a headache.
It's odd but the dislike of Brexit does not seem to translate into a desire to rejoin. I suspect that the EU is not seen by most voters as a beacon to lead the country back to the future. I think that right now the overwhelming political view of most people is one giant "meh". I was entertaining a large group of 25 friends for a memorial celebration of my former partner's life here this weekend - mostly aged late 40-50 and that seemed very much their general attitude. They're a fairly m/c group based in London surroundings. What struck me most was just their general lack of interest. But they were huge fun to be with for this almost 70 year old.
I'm always especially sceptical of anecdotes like this. Every so often you hear them, and sometimes from frothing mad ideologues with strong views on the subject. They report "nobody was interested!" and I can't help but think of the times that people have tried to engage me in conversation about something, but, knowing their strong views, I've feigned indifference because I just don't want to have the argument that day.
No idea whether that could be case here, but it's always on my mind when people say stuff like that.
@SamCoatesSky Sunak government go further on voter ID for elections
Written statement just published unveiling plans to mandate ID for postal and proxy votes, and to make people apply for postal votes every three years.
“The vast majority of economists, including me, thought Brexit would make the UK considerably less open to both trade and migration with the EU, but somewhat more so to the rest of the world. We were right. We also thought that the downsides of the former would outweigh the upside of the latter. We were wrong.
“In fact, the new post-Brexit migration system has achieved its key objectives. By ending free movement, it has reduced the flow of relatively lower skilled and lower paid workers to some sectors. But by liberalising migration flows from the rest of the world, it has substantially increased those coming to work in the NHS, the care sector, and high-skilled and high-paid roles in information and communications technology, finance and professional services.”
Well I never
Jonathan Portes showing he's an original thinker unencumbered by partisan politics. Great piece. To some extent this is a vindication of Dom Cummings also.
Jonathan Portes is one of the few remainer commentators (or commentators full stop) who actually cares about the data, and will only blame or praise brexit what he actually thinks is down to brexit. David Smith, the economics editor of The Times is a similar bright spot in the landscape.
David Smith’s weekly column was a regular case study for my A-level economics class - in 1995!
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
How many Brexiteers will be alive in a few years' time though?
Not many who will admit to it, going on current trends.
Even if you allow for the possibility that Brexit has objectively been a good thing, the steadily growing will of the people is to regard it as a mistake. Doesn't Matter- the public are right, even when they're wrong. And the people who persuaded the public to do this in the first place are pretty much all diminished in the public's eyes.
To take a popular analogy, the country is not only back on the pill, but it's got a headache.
It's odd but the dislike of Brexit does not seem to translate into a desire to rejoin. I suspect that the EU is not seen by most voters as a beacon to lead the country back to the future. I think that right now the overwhelming political view of most people is one giant "meh". I was entertaining a large group of 25 friends for a memorial celebration of my former partner's life here this weekend - mostly aged late 40-50 and that seemed very much their general attitude. They're a fairly m/c group based in London surroundings. What struck me most was just their general lack of interest. But they were huge fun to be with for this almost 70 year old.
Rejoin just ain’t gonna happen. It’s FAR too difficult and the EU would rightly insist that we join the euro and schenghen to make sure we don’t change our minds yet again - and there’s no way we are joining the euro
We will settle into something like Switzerland, ish
Of course but you have to feel for Scott_c of this parish. All of those insane posts to no purpose.
I don't believe Scott is making the case for rejoin, those bridges have been burned.
He has every right to remind potentially regretful Brexiteers of their sheer folly, and condemn those who persuaded them to remove their heads to ease their EU neuralgia.
what this? it’s just an article from the year 2000 about suella fernandes, president of the cambridge university conservative association, who was accused of vote rigging and responded with a reassuring “you can’t prove anything”
@SamCoatesSky Sunak government go further on voter ID for elections
Written statement just published unveiling plans to mandate ID for postal and proxy votes, and to make people apply for postal votes every three years.
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
Perhaps. But let's do the Big Brexit Apology first, given I've designed it and everything. We can road-test it on here. Match each PB remainer with 'their' PB leaver who will deliver the (brief but heartfelt) apology to them personally. I bags you. No rush but when you're ready.
You chose the wrong day to ask for an apology (not that you were ever going to get one)
The guardian has turned. Brexit = good
Has it? In what context?
I’m somewhat trolling (I know, it’s unlike me). But there is a jolly interesting Guardian economics article from J Portes saying he’s identified a large Brexit benefit and Brexit is working as intended (on migration). You’ll find the link upthread
Brexit was *intended* to increase immigration? I hardly think so. One of its most effective slogans was it would allow us to 'take back control of our borders'. There's no way this was meant to be heard by voters as an intention to let more people in.
what this? it’s just an article from the year 2000 about suella fernandes, president of the cambridge university conservative association, who was accused of vote rigging and responded with a reassuring “you can’t prove anything”
what this? it’s just an article from the year 2000 about suella fernandes, president of the cambridge university conservative association, who was accused of vote rigging and responded with a reassuring “you can’t prove anything”
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
How many Brexiteers will be alive in a few years' time though?
Not many who will admit to it, going on current trends.
Even if you allow for the possibility that Brexit has objectively been a good thing, the steadily growing will of the people is to regard it as a mistake. Doesn't Matter- the public are right, even when they're wrong. And the people who persuaded the public to do this in the first place are pretty much all diminished in the public's eyes.
To take a popular analogy, the country is not only back on the pill, but it's got a headache.
It's odd but the dislike of Brexit does not seem to translate into a desire to rejoin. I suspect that the EU is not seen by most voters as a beacon to lead the country back to the future. I think that right now the overwhelming political view of most people is one giant "meh". I was entertaining a large group of 25 friends for a memorial celebration of my former partner's life here this weekend - mostly aged late 40-50 and that seemed very much their general attitude. They're a fairly m/c group based in London surroundings. What struck me most was just their general lack of interest. But they were huge fun to be with for this almost 70 year old.
Rejoin just ain’t gonna happen. It’s FAR too difficult and the EU would rightly insist that we join the euro and schenghen to make sure we don’t change our minds yet again - and there’s no way we are joining the euro
We will settle into something like Switzerland, ish
Are we happy with this great and storied nation of ours striving to be like Switzerland?
I think cukoo clock is about our level nowadays, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance a bit beyond us.
@SamCoatesSky Sunak government go further on voter ID for elections
Written statement just published unveiling plans to mandate ID for postal and proxy votes, and to make people apply for postal votes every three years.
Completely off topic but just got dad and lad seats at Wembley for this Sunday’s League 2 playoff final. £75 all in for category 2 seats, which is not bad really. It’ll be his first trip to Wembley; fully expect 35k+ County fans there with us (dunno what Carlisle will bring; 20k maybe?). Expecting a glorious day in the sunshine, hopefully cheering Stockport on to a second successive promotion.
All those moaning Minnies who decry the playoff system can get in the sea/bin. They’re brilliant and make for fantastic occasions.
I'm going to Wembley on Monday to see the mighty Wednesday take on the Dingles.
@SamCoatesSky Sunak government go further on voter ID for elections
Written statement just published unveiling plans to mandate ID for postal and proxy votes, and to make people apply for postal votes every three years.
Though it must be said SKS still isn't exactly setting the world alight and will not be swept into Downing St on a wave of euphoria from the masses like the blessed Tony.
Which is another reason I can see trouble ahead for Labour in the 2024-2029 Parliament..
You could have said the same about Cameron in 2010. Indeed, many Labour commentators assumed Labour were bound to come back in 2015. And look how that turned out. If the Tories are going to come back and win 2029 they'd need to realise why they actually lost, sort their shit out (including ensuring the ERG have no influence whatsoever), and elect a leader is who isn't a lunatic, is likeable, and has the gravitas to be PM. But if NatCon is anything to go by it's more likely the loons will be running show post-defeat, which means they will lose in 28/29.
And given that the NatCon wing are already setting the narrative, that will be hard.
What would a Shadow Cabinet that was trying to win in 2029 look like anyway? Johnson and co have gutted the Conservatives far more effectively than Corbyn ever did.
Speakers were mocking Cameron and One Nation Conservatism at NatCon. It will be years before genuine One Nation Tories (not Sunak - he only seems a moderate because actual One Nation Tories have either been neutered or purged) get any semblance of control over the party again.
In fairness it took Labour six years post defeat to get to Corbyn; the Tories are getting their ‘unelectable lunatic fringe’ phase in before they’ve even lost!
Sunak is no more a lunatic than Gordon Brown as PM was and Labour shifted ever left after Brown lost for a decade
@SamCoatesSky Sunak government go further on voter ID for elections
Written statement just published unveiling plans to mandate ID for postal and proxy votes, and to make people apply for postal votes every three years.
@SamCoatesSky Sunak government go further on voter ID for elections
Written statement just published unveiling plans to mandate ID for postal and proxy votes, and to make people apply for postal votes every three years.
What's the motivation for this? Not really in Tory self-interest.
Postal votes are open to abuse. See the recent BBC article.
+1 most of the known fraud cases have been with postal votes. Whether it changes anything beyond some paperwork every 3 years we will have to wait and see.
what this? it’s just an article from the year 2000 about suella fernandes, president of the cambridge university conservative association, who was accused of vote rigging and responded with a reassuring “you can’t prove anything”
Suella makes even student William Hague look cool there (though he managed to do the triple of President of the Oxford Union and Conservative Association and a 1st class degree, I think she just managed President of CUCA with alleged dodgy voting)
what this? it’s just an article from the year 2000 about suella fernandes, president of the cambridge university conservative association, who was accused of vote rigging and responded with a reassuring “you can’t prove anything”
what this? it’s just an article from the year 2000 about suella fernandes, president of the cambridge university conservative association, who was accused of vote rigging and responded with a reassuring “you can’t prove anything”
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
How many Brexiteers will be alive in a few years' time though?
Not many who will admit to it, going on current trends.
Even if you allow for the possibility that Brexit has objectively been a good thing, the steadily growing will of the people is to regard it as a mistake. Doesn't Matter- the public are right, even when they're wrong. And the people who persuaded the public to do this in the first place are pretty much all diminished in the public's eyes.
To take a popular analogy, the country is not only back on the pill, but it's got a headache.
It's odd but the dislike of Brexit does not seem to translate into a desire to rejoin. I suspect that the EU is not seen by most voters as a beacon to lead the country back to the future. I think that right now the overwhelming political view of most people is one giant "meh". I was entertaining a large group of 25 friends for a memorial celebration of my former partner's life here this weekend - mostly aged late 40-50 and that seemed very much their general attitude. They're a fairly m/c group based in London surroundings. What struck me most was just their general lack of interest. But they were huge fun to be with for this almost 70 year old.
Though it must be said SKS still isn't exactly setting the world alight and will not be swept into Downing St on a wave of euphoria from the masses like the blessed Tony.
Which is another reason I can see trouble ahead for Labour in the 2024-2029 Parliament..
You could have said the same about Cameron in 2010. Indeed, many Labour commentators assumed Labour were bound to come back in 2015. And look how that turned out. If the Tories are going to come back and win 2029 they'd need to realise why they actually lost, sort their shit out (including ensuring the ERG have no influence whatsoever), and elect a leader is who isn't a lunatic, is likeable, and has the gravitas to be PM. But if NatCon is anything to go by it's more likely the loons will be running show post-defeat, which means they will lose in 28/29.
And given that the NatCon wing are already setting the narrative, that will be hard.
What would a Shadow Cabinet that was trying to win in 2029 look like anyway? Johnson and co have gutted the Conservatives far more effectively than Corbyn ever did.
Speakers were mocking Cameron and One Nation Conservatism at NatCon. It will be years before genuine One Nation Tories (not Sunak - he only seems a moderate because actual One Nation Tories have either been neutered or purged) get any semblance of control over the party again.
In fairness it took Labour six years post defeat to get to Corbyn; the Tories are getting their ‘unelectable lunatic fringe’ phase in before they’ve even lost!
Sunak is no more a lunatic than Gordon Brown as PM...
@SamCoatesSky Sunak government go further on voter ID for elections
Written statement just published unveiling plans to mandate ID for postal and proxy votes, and to make people apply for postal votes every three years.
I know de mortuis nil nisi bonum, but I thought Bernthal was the best Punisher. However Stevenson was good when you needed mass and menace, and I liked him in Rome.
. . . . Trump aides have been buoyed in recent days by signs that the ‘24 primary field is about to get crowded. Scott has jumped in and DeSantis and former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, an ally turned foe of Trump, are also expected to announce bids soon. There is a belief, internally, that any new entrant will take voters away from the Florida governor (Trump’s closest competitor for the nomination). The challenge they have is to decide which of those candidates to badger or welcome.
“The general thinking is that Scott getting in is another sign that there is blood in the water for DeSantis — it’s no coincidence that multiple people are getting in the ring in the last few days,” another adviser to Trump said.
On Monday, after Scott’s announcement, Trump himself put out a conciliatory statement, but one that also took a swipe at DeSantis. “Good luck to Senator Tim Scott in entering the Republican Presidential Primary Race,” it read. “It is rapidly loading up with lots of people, and Tim is a big step up from Ron DeSanctimonious, who is totally unelectable. I got Opportunity Zones done with Tim, a big deal that has been highly successful. Good luck Tim!”
SSI - Seeing as how Tim Scott is really running for Vice President, he just might be a better bet for 2024 GOP VP nomination, than other alternative touted on this thread.
For one thing, he's actually WON a big-time, statewide election.
Another thing that is very clear, is that Trump and his henchpeople are at least as frit of Ron DeSantis, as Blue Meanies on PB and beyond are of Keir Starmer.
Ragging on & raging about RDS being the GOP equivalent of Tory Keir Fear.
what this? it’s just an article from the year 2000 about suella fernandes, president of the cambridge university conservative association, who was accused of vote rigging and responded with a reassuring “you can’t prove anything”
Hello? Is that the Fashion Police? I'm calling to report a very serious crime.
I wonder how she got from there to wishing to take over the world?
CUCA could be a vicious rite of passage.
I avoided student politics, glad I did.
I have to doubt your wisdom. Cuca is as you say, but rather pointless. I can't imagine the Union has lowered its standards - they let anyone in apart from people they don't like, and people they don't like would be best illustrated by the shabby attire worn by our now Home Secretary in that picture. Not he slightest question of Pitt club influence of course.
The leader of a First World War charity has been accused of telling a whistleblower that most members “don’t give a s***” about a dispute involving a branch chairman sharing racist and sexist messages.
Tony Bolton, chairman of the Western Front Association (WFA), which promotes commemoration of the conflict, has been told he is sowing “division and acrimony” by welcoming a disgraced former trustee at meetings.
The charity’s national executive committee, led by Bolton, took over a year to revoke the membership of Jonathan d’Hooghe, a former chairman of the Lincoln branch, after it received reports about the racist and sexist messages he had sent to fellow members in a WhatsApp group.
D’Hooghe was removed as a trustee on the executive committee within two weeks of the whistleblower reporting the messages in July 2021, but he remained chairman of the Lincoln branch until October 2022, when his WFA membership was revoked after an independent inquiry.
Eric Martin Gibson, a member of the group, reported 54 messages sent between April 2020 and July 2021. These included d’Hooghe posting an Enid Blyton-style book cover of three golliwogs captioned: “Missing Penalties, a Tale of Three N***ers Who Didn’t Have a Clue.” The message was shared after England’s defeat in the European Championships final, in which three black players missed penalties. As well as racist messages, there were many more featuring sexual and misogynistic material. Gibson first reported them to Garry Trown, the charity’s trustee responsible for branch co-ordination. Trown reported them to the executive committee.
D’Hooghe offered to stand down as branch chairman but his local committee “unanimously agreed” to back him, and instead removed Trown and Gibson from the branch mailing list. D’Hooghe, in his defence, said the messages “provided humour and mental wellbeing” during the “dark days of lockdown”. He added that the posts were “squaddie banter . . . not to be taken seriously”.
what this? it’s just an article from the year 2000 about suella fernandes, president of the cambridge university conservative association, who was accused of vote rigging and responded with a reassuring “you can’t prove anything”
Hello? Is that the Fashion Police? I'm calling to report a very serious crime.
I wonder how she got from there to wishing to take over the world?
This is why we need a zero tolerance approach to these sorts of offences.
None of this "three strikes" snowflake nonsense. If we sent these people at the first opportunity to the International Court of Crimes Against Fashion in Milan, we could knock it on the head like that. But these people get away with it, feel invincible, and next thing you know...
“The vast majority of economists, including me, thought Brexit would make the UK considerably less open to both trade and migration with the EU, but somewhat more so to the rest of the world. We were right. We also thought that the downsides of the former would outweigh the upside of the latter. We were wrong.
“In fact, the new post-Brexit migration system has achieved its key objectives. By ending free movement, it has reduced the flow of relatively lower skilled and lower paid workers to some sectors. But by liberalising migration flows from the rest of the world, it has substantially increased those coming to work in the NHS, the care sector, and high-skilled and high-paid roles in information and communications technology, finance and professional services.”
Well I never
Jonathan Portes showing he's an original thinker unencumbered by partisan politics. Great piece. To some extent this is a vindication of Dom Cummings also.
Jonathan Portes is one of the few remainer commentators (or commentators full stop) who actually cares about the data, and will only blame or praise brexit what he actually thinks is down to brexit. David Smith, the economics editor of The Times is a similar bright spot in the landscape.
David Smith’s weekly column was a regular case study for my A-level economics class - in 1995!
His book on UK macro policy in the 80s was really good. I met him at a conference a few years back and told him it was one of the things that inspired me to study economics at Uni. Nice bloke.
what this? it’s just an article from the year 2000 about suella fernandes, president of the cambridge university conservative association, who was accused of vote rigging and responded with a reassuring “you can’t prove anything”
what this? it’s just an article from the year 2000 about suella fernandes, president of the cambridge university conservative association, who was accused of vote rigging and responded with a reassuring “you can’t prove anything”
@SamCoatesSky Sunak government go further on voter ID for elections
Written statement just published unveiling plans to mandate ID for postal and proxy votes, and to make people apply for postal votes every three years.
What's the motivation for this? Not really in Tory self-interest.
Postal votes are open to abuse. See the recent BBC article.
But in person voting isn't. Tighten up postal voting and revert to ID free in person voting. There you go, job done!
Voting in person on the day gives one a satisfying feeling of doing one's civic duty. I switched from postal to normal voting because postal voting felt somehow sneaky and private.
Sorry, from PT for those asking me how the Big Brexit Apology will work. I've given this some thought and I'd suggest as follows:
By my calculations because of differential death rates the number of people who voted Leave and Remain in the 2016 referendum is identical at 15,674,232 apiece. Matched up by algorithm this generates 7,837,116 pairs, one Remainer and one Leaver, like Tinder except it’s done at random not on looks or compatibility. The results are mailed out (each Remainer told who ‘their’ Leaver is and vice versa) and contact details are included so a meet-up for each duo can be arranged. 4 weeks are allowed for this, otherwise there are punishments. Everyone complies (not fancying any of the punishments) and the stage is set for the business end of the exercise.
Let’s assume I’m matched with a Leaver from Dudley called Trevor. We exchange texts and decide that he’ll come to Hampstead because I don’t want to go to Dudley. I tell him Wednesday 10.30 sharp at the Coffee Cup.
Trevor arrives (thankfully not as hirsute as his picture) and joins me at my table. I put down my Guardian and give him my fullest. Straight off he does the necessary. “I’m truly sorry,” he says. That’s all that’s required. There’s no need to make a meal of it. The point of this is to heal not foster further ill-feeling. I receive his brief but heartfelt offering in similar generous spirit. “It’s ok, Trevor,” I say, “to be human is to err.” He looks relieved. It’s as if a huge weight has been lifted from him. I smile and ask what sort of bespoke decaf latte he wants.
The two of us then pass a pleasant half hour getting to know each other. No politics of course. It could be he likes Boris Johnson (being from Dudley) and we don’t want to risk something like that spoiling the vibe between us. The objective is to part on friendly terms even though our paths are unlikely to cross again. Which is what we do. Remainer Me and Leaver Trevor part on the best of terms. The apology has cleared the decks for this to happen. I feel better, he feels better. We can MOVE ON. And as it is for us so it is for the entire country, assuming the other 7,837,115 meets go equally well – which they surely will.
Alternatively, in a few years you will have a Brexiphany - a moment of piercing spiritual insight when you and all the other Remoaner idiots realise you were wrong and Brexit was right
You will come to us Brexiteers to be shrived, and we shall generously forgive you, insisting merely that your left buttock is modestly tattooed with the smiling face of Nigel Farage, symbolising your penance
How many Brexiteers will be alive in a few years' time though?
Not many who will admit to it, going on current trends.
Even if you allow for the possibility that Brexit has objectively been a good thing, the steadily growing will of the people is to regard it as a mistake. Doesn't Matter- the public are right, even when they're wrong. And the people who persuaded the public to do this in the first place are pretty much all diminished in the public's eyes.
To take a popular analogy, the country is not only back on the pill, but it's got a headache.
It's odd but the dislike of Brexit does not seem to translate into a desire to rejoin. I suspect that the EU is not seen by most voters as a beacon to lead the country back to the future. I think that right now the overwhelming political view of most people is one giant "meh". I was entertaining a large group of 25 friends for a memorial celebration of my former partner's life here this weekend - mostly aged late 40-50 and that seemed very much their general attitude. They're a fairly m/c group based in London surroundings. What struck me most was just their general lack of interest. But they were huge fun to be with for this almost 70 year old.
Rejoin just ain’t gonna happen. It’s FAR too difficult and the EU would rightly insist that we join the euro and schenghen to make sure we don’t change our minds yet again - and there’s no way we are joining the euro
We will settle into something like Switzerland, ish
Are we happy with this great and storied nation of ours striving to be like Switzerland?
Actually yes. In so far as not wanting to impose our will on other parts of the world. Would you be happy with the UK being more like the US, China or Russia throwing its weight around where it wasn't wanted?
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Here's a thing and it's a real life thing so you'll like it. During the US presence in Afghanistan one of the statistics compiled (these days the US armed forces are basically big data with big guns) was GDP. This led to some bafflement when despite a rising GDP, satisfaction with the occupation fell. They eventually worked out that they should have been measuring gross/net household income or similar. GDP measures the performance of the country, but household income or similar measures the performance of the people.
It all depends on whether you think the state should service the country (an abstract concept) or the people (a concrete concept).
edit: fixed wrong acronym, apologies.
When the withdrawal agreement and FTA come up for renewal, perhaps EU and UK car manufacturers will want to permanently loosen rules of origin for EVs. But that's not what's happening now.
Those who are saying that Starmer had nothing to say other than 'spend more' simply haven't read the speech. Of course people may disagree with his solutions, but don't pretend this wasn't a serious attempt at policy-making.
We all benefit from a higher GDP per capita. By definition
As for these “bureaucratic hoops” they clearly aren’t much of an obstacle given that the next migration stats are predicted to show 700,000-1m people coming in. Net
County finished fourth, so in a playoffless world we would have just been promoted with a whimper. I would genuinely sooner do the playoff thing and have a shot at winning promotion in a packed out Wembley!
We can road-test it on here. Match each PB remainer with 'their' PB leaver who will deliver the (brief but heartfelt) apology to them personally.
I bags you. So no rush but 🙂 - yes I'm waiting with my gracious face on.
...I wish I hadn't just thought of that.
The club is an a good, optimistic place with a positive culture at the moment but regardless there's still a small bellend contingent (who, tellingly, have only just started creeping back now the team is doing OK again).
I would say good luck for the final, but perhaps instead I'll say I hope the experience is fulfilling
Of course in an economy with a progressive tax and benefit system the higher the wage of the additional immigrant worker the more net benefit to the Treasury. Immigrants tend to be less of a net drain because they are younger and more likely to work than natives. But other things being equal you need to earn a lot more than average for you to pay in more in taxes than you get out owing to our highly progressive tax system. And non EU immigrants are I believe less likely to go home before they get old and become a net burden compared to EU immigrants. So it's not totally obvious that we all benefit from a higher GDP per capita in this new regime. We probably do, but not necessarily because the principal benefit goes to the person whose higher than average income pushes the average up.
https://about.fb.com/news/2023/05/our-response-to-the-decision-on-facebooks-eu-us-data-transfers/
I went to County's first appearance at Wembley back in (I think) about 1992, in the final of the Autoglass trophy. County lost 1-0 to Stoke. County then went on to lose at Wembley again that year in the playoff final, and again in the playoff final a year after that. So while I like the playoffs in principle, I am a little jaded by them.
Have County ever won at Wembley?
My main objection to the playoffs is not the thing themselves but the fact the final is in bloody London, and as always with Wembley matches the teams from the southeast always seem to win (I have no idea how this stands up to rigorous analysis!)
EDIT: up to 2006 it seems. Hmmm, didn't realise it was quite that long ago
(incidentally, coders don't earn much when compared to IT management, who - by definition - have increasingly irrelevant tech skills)
In the National League the system is moronic.
There's only one automatic promotion slot and the second placed team has to play off regardless of how many points they have – Notts County only scraped up this year open penalties despite amassing enough points to win the title in the entire history of the division!
(Admittedly it would have been quite funny if they hadn't gone up, but you take my point).
On a similar topic, I'd like to see one team from the league above sucked into the playoffs, like they do in France. A bit of extra jeopardy at the bottom!
I wouldn't (as someone who is still positive about Brexit) for a minute claim that it vindicates what has happened as I think it is far more luck than judgement onthe part of Government but for someone who thinks immigration is a good thing it is nice to see the case put so cogently.
I am sure most of those who oppose Brexit would have reasonable arguments to counter this but it does make a nice change to see a positive case put for once.
Not sure why it changed, tbh,
It was pretty funny last season when Wrexham didn't get promoted though.
We will settle into something like Switzerland, ish
@SamCoatesSky
Sunak government go further on voter ID for elections
Written statement just published unveiling plans to mandate ID for postal and proxy votes, and to make people apply for postal votes every three years.
https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2023-05-23/hcws791
No idea whether that could be case here, but it's always on my mind when people say stuff like that.
He has every right to remind potentially regretful Brexiteers of their sheer folly, and condemn those who persuaded them to remove their heads to ease their EU neuralgia.
https://twitter.com/alexandrakuri/status/1660967887669010435/photo/1
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/may/23/ray-stevenson-rrr-thor-and-star-wars-actor-dies-aged-58
He was brilliant as Blackbeard.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-wales-65681556
I avoided student politics, glad I did.
https://www.whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/poll-of-polls-uk-eu/
Untrammelled free markets are a disaster.
Hopefully Starmer will be prepared to legislate, regulate and fund trading standards etc.
The former president’s team views virtually every ‘24 development through the prism of whether it helps or hurts Ron DeSantis.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/22/trump-tim-scott-2024-00098292
. . . . Trump aides have been buoyed in recent days by signs that the ‘24 primary field is about to get crowded. Scott has jumped in and DeSantis and former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, an ally turned foe of Trump, are also expected to announce bids soon. There is a belief, internally, that any new entrant will take voters away from the Florida governor (Trump’s closest competitor for the nomination). The challenge they have is to decide which of those candidates to badger or welcome.
“The general thinking is that Scott getting in is another sign that there is blood in the water for DeSantis — it’s no coincidence that multiple people are getting in the ring in the last few days,” another adviser to Trump said.
On Monday, after Scott’s announcement, Trump himself put out a conciliatory statement, but one that also took a swipe at DeSantis. “Good luck to Senator Tim Scott in entering the Republican Presidential Primary Race,” it read. “It is rapidly loading up with lots of people, and Tim is a big step up from Ron DeSanctimonious, who is totally unelectable. I got Opportunity Zones done with Tim, a big deal that has been highly successful. Good luck Tim!”
SSI - Seeing as how Tim Scott is really running for Vice President, he just might be a better bet for 2024 GOP VP nomination, than other alternative touted on this thread.
For one thing, he's actually WON a big-time, statewide election.
Another thing that is very clear, is that Trump and his henchpeople are at least as frit of Ron DeSantis, as Blue Meanies on PB and beyond are of Keir Starmer.
Ragging on & raging about RDS being the GOP equivalent of Tory Keir Fear.
Tony Bolton, chairman of the Western Front Association (WFA), which promotes commemoration of the conflict, has been told he is sowing “division and acrimony” by welcoming a disgraced former trustee at meetings.
The charity’s national executive committee, led by Bolton, took over a year to revoke the membership of Jonathan d’Hooghe, a former chairman of the Lincoln branch, after it received reports about the racist and sexist messages he had sent to fellow members in a WhatsApp group.
D’Hooghe was removed as a trustee on the executive committee within two weeks of the whistleblower reporting the messages in July 2021, but he remained chairman of the Lincoln branch until October 2022, when his WFA membership was revoked after an independent inquiry.
Eric Martin Gibson, a member of the group, reported 54 messages sent between April 2020 and July 2021. These included d’Hooghe posting an Enid Blyton-style book cover of three golliwogs captioned: “Missing Penalties, a Tale of Three N***ers Who Didn’t Have a Clue.” The message was shared after England’s defeat in the European Championships final, in which three black players missed penalties. As well as racist messages, there were many more featuring sexual and misogynistic material. Gibson first reported them to Garry Trown, the charity’s trustee responsible for branch co-ordination. Trown reported them to the executive committee.
D’Hooghe offered to stand down as branch chairman but his local committee “unanimously agreed” to back him, and instead removed Trown and Gibson from the branch mailing list. D’Hooghe, in his defence, said the messages “provided humour and mental wellbeing” during the “dark days of lockdown”. He added that the posts were “squaddie banter . . . not to be taken seriously”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/war-charity-chief-dismissed-row-over-racist-messages-j87ffh5pf
None of this "three strikes" snowflake nonsense. If we sent these people at the first opportunity to the International Court of Crimes Against Fashion in Milan, we could knock it on the head like that. But these people get away with it, feel invincible, and next thing you know...
Stuart (NatSci)