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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    edited November 2022
    Pure Corbynite delusion.

    "I would reject the idea that what has happened in the economy are as a result of the actions that Liz took," says the uber-loyal Truss supporter Simon Clarke.

    https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1591735592882143232
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    edited November 2022
    Ooh, that changes things, key wicket for Pakistan. England now 1.5 to make the runs.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,789
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    kamski said:

    No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:

    "About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"

    but slightly surprised that only Sunil objected


    The figures Leon gave were not wrong

    https://trunicle.com/worlds-biggest-holocaust-islamic-invaders-killed-more-than-80-million-hindus-in-india/
    This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -

    Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT.
    (emphasis mine)

    https://trunicle.com/about-us/
    The figures come from work by the Indian historian Professor KS Lal

    https://www.firstpost.com/opinion-news-expert-views-news-analysis-firstpost-viewpoint/whitewashing-genocides-and-history-phobia-why-ks-lals-claims-of-80-mn-hindus-killed-by-islamic-barbarism-hold-water-11618501.html
    Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
    @hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
    It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
    That is my understanding too.

    Quite why such a serious sexual assault was not taken seriously by hospital staff is unclear. It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Need a boundary
  • DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
    It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
    Its not just ignorance. Its also a safeguarding issue as to why a single-sex area had anyone with a penis in it?
  • RRR down to a run a ball. 61 from 61 required.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    Result today
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    kamski said:

    No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:

    "About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"

    but slightly surprised that only Sunil objected


    The figures Leon gave were not wrong

    https://trunicle.com/worlds-biggest-holocaust-islamic-invaders-killed-more-than-80-million-hindus-in-india/
    This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -

    Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT.
    (emphasis mine)

    https://trunicle.com/about-us/
    The figures come from work by the Indian historian Professor KS Lal

    https://www.firstpost.com/opinion-news-expert-views-news-analysis-firstpost-viewpoint/whitewashing-genocides-and-history-phobia-why-ks-lals-claims-of-80-mn-hindus-killed-by-islamic-barbarism-hold-water-11618501.html
    Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
    @hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.

    Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.

    Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited November 2022
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
    It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
    It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
    So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    edited November 2022
    England 1.11 to make the runs. I’d half forgotten how much fun betting in-play on cricket could be, since Betfair closed my account a couple of years back.
  • RRR down to a run a ball. 61 from 61 required.

    Spoke too soon, five dot balls in a row now.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,700
    edited November 2022
    HYUFD has form for posting anti-vaxx nonsense on this site as part of his never-ending quest to refuse losing an argument.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited November 2022
    An illustration of the mess the Scottish Government has got itself into:

    The Equality Act just contains one definition of ‘sex’, just contains one definition of ‘woman’, just contains one definition of ‘man’. And the structure of the Act supposes that the same concept applies across the Act, so when it uses ‘sex’ in one section, it means the same thing throughout the Act. Similarly when it says ‘woman’ in one particular provision it means it throughout the Act.

    But what the Scottish Ministers are now saying is that sometimes ‘woman’ means a biological woman in the Act, but other times, it means a biological woman plus a biological man who has a GRC. And that’s what worries me most of all about this massive shift in position, is that it’s a prescription for chaos. The Scottish Ministers have abandoned any coherent principle of statutory interpretation. All they have said is, if it doesn’t make sense to us when faced up with the implications of what they’re saying, then with one leap, oh, it’s a Section 9(3) understanding of sex, so biology still applies here. Now, that is not a position which is based on any kind of statutory interpretation. And that’s what we are about here. The law needs to be interpreted in a coherent and consistent fashion, not just for and among lawyers, but for those who have to apply the law.


    https://forwomen.scot/12/11/2022/judicial-review-2-substantive-hearing/
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    edited November 2022
    It’s so noisy in the MCG, that the fielders weren’t sure if he’d hit that.

    Definite bucket-list stadium to visit.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    RRR down to a run a ball. 61 from 61 required.

    Spoke too soon, five dot balls in a row now.
    Runs are not the issue. Its wickets.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    Tres said:

    HYUFD has form for posting anti-vaxx nonsense on this site as part of his never-ending quest to refuse losing an argument.

    When have I ever posted anti vaxx information? Never so don't lie
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    On topic, if Johnson isn't the answer, then the answer must be Truss. She has bounced back before and it's only a matter of time before the Conservative Party starts to have buyer's remorse about Sunak. Her fearless approach to the problems that faced us was jettisoned far too fast. I still think she will lead the Tories into the next election and win, handsomely at that.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,945
    Just a quick one for Phil since he's about this morning:

    As you know I'm pro bitcoin (for the same reason I'm pro gold - I believe in private, i.e. non state issued money as a means of reining in central banks and infinite money printing). But even I'm shocked at the level of scamminess coming out of the FTX scandal.

    For me, if someone builds a giant scam/ponzi on the back of gold, for example ("give me your gold and I'll give you 10% more back next month") it doesn't make gold itself a scam, it's just a scam built on gold... but wowza. FTX. Sam Bankman-Fried looking a lot like the new Elizabeth Holmes, and I honestly don't blame you at this point for saying it's all a giant scam.

    For me, the underlying tech isn't a scam, self custody isn't a scam, but the sheer level of f***ery that's now coming out about FTX and some of the other players in the market goes beyond ponzi and into outright theft.

    It really is little wonder you believe the whole thing is a scam. As I say, if you build a scam on the back of gold, gold itself isn't a scam. But if 99% of the players in the gold market were scam artists, I think it's a pretty legitimate position to take.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
    It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
    It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
    So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…


    More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
  • Sandpit said:

    It’s so noisy in the MCG, that the fielders weren’t sure if he’d hit that.

    Definite bucket-list stadium to visit.

    I was there in 1999 for an ODI, we were absolutely trounced, Australia bowled us out and then won by 9 wickets. http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard_ODI.asp?MatchCode=1465

    But despite the result it was a great experience anyway. Also though it didn't seem great at the time, it was good in hindsight to have seen McGrath and Warne bowling in their prime. They just seemed unplayable.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    edited November 2022
    HYUFD said:

    Tres said:

    HYUFD has form for posting anti-vaxx nonsense on this site as part of his never-ending quest to refuse losing an argument.

    When have I ever posted anti vaxx information? Never so don't lie
    I remember in September 2021 you posted some utter bollocks about Bill Gates and the vaccine that Robert called you out on and you refused to back down on.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    kyf_100 said:

    Just a quick one for Phil since he's about this morning:

    As you know I'm pro bitcoin (for the same reason I'm pro gold - I believe in private, i.e. non state issued money as a means of reining in central banks and infinite money printing). But even I'm shocked at the level of scamminess coming out of the FTX scandal.

    For me, if someone builds a giant scam/ponzi on the back of gold, for example ("give me your gold and I'll give you 10% more back next month") it doesn't make gold itself a scam, it's just a scam built on gold... but wowza. FTX. Sam Bankman-Fried looking a lot like the new Elizabeth Holmes, and I honestly don't blame you at this point for saying it's all a giant scam.

    For me, the underlying tech isn't a scam, self custody isn't a scam, but the sheer level of f***ery that's now coming out about FTX and some of the other players in the market goes beyond ponzi and into outright theft.

    It really is little wonder you believe the whole thing is a scam. As I say, if you build a scam on the back of gold, gold itself isn't a scam. But if 99% of the players in the gold market were scam artists, I think it's a pretty legitimate position to take.

    Correct. Bitcoin itself isn’t a scam. What’s important is to have your own wallet address, because almost everyone talking about or dealing in Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies, appear to be somewhat less than totally honest.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Brilliant bowling from Pakistan. We need a boundary!
  • DavidL said:

    RRR down to a run a ball. 61 from 61 required.

    Spoke too soon, five dot balls in a row now.
    Runs are not the issue. Its wickets.
    RRR is rapidly creeping back up which is putting pressure on the wickets though.

    When you only need to turn over a run a ball its a lot simpler, but back up to over 8 per over now.
  • I am shocked, Man City are using bullshit companies to boost their turnover.

    Mark my words within a decade they'll be stripped off all their titles they won under the ADFG.

    Thread.

    https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1591570024258359296
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    DavidL said:

    RRR down to a run a ball. 61 from 61 required.

    Spoke too soon, five dot balls in a row now.
    Runs are not the issue. Its wickets.
    RRR is rapidly creeping back up which is putting pressure on the wickets though.

    When you only need to turn over a run a ball its a lot simpler, but back up to over 8 per over now.
    Two boundaries sorts that. But we have to knock them
  • kyf_100 said:

    Just a quick one for Phil since he's about this morning:

    As you know I'm pro bitcoin (for the same reason I'm pro gold - I believe in private, i.e. non state issued money as a means of reining in central banks and infinite money printing). But even I'm shocked at the level of scamminess coming out of the FTX scandal.

    For me, if someone builds a giant scam/ponzi on the back of gold, for example ("give me your gold and I'll give you 10% more back next month") it doesn't make gold itself a scam, it's just a scam built on gold... but wowza. FTX. Sam Bankman-Fried looking a lot like the new Elizabeth Holmes, and I honestly don't blame you at this point for saying it's all a giant scam.

    For me, the underlying tech isn't a scam, self custody isn't a scam, but the sheer level of f***ery that's now coming out about FTX and some of the other players in the market goes beyond ponzi and into outright theft.

    It really is little wonder you believe the whole thing is a scam. As I say, if you build a scam on the back of gold, gold itself isn't a scam. But if 99% of the players in the gold market were scam artists, I think it's a pretty legitimate position to take.

    Thank you and kudos for you to put your hands up and say that.

    Yes, I've said repeatedly that the technology itself certainly could have legitimate uses, but the market that exists atm has been taken over by scammers not the technology.

    With that post you and I now seem to be on the exact same page, and I wasn't expecting that so soon. Credit to you for that, its not often people say things like that.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    edited November 2022

    Sandpit said:

    It’s so noisy in the MCG, that the fielders weren’t sure if he’d hit that.

    Definite bucket-list stadium to visit.

    I was there in 1999 for an ODI, we were absolutely trounced, Australia bowled us out and then won by 9 wickets. http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard_ODI.asp?MatchCode=1465

    But despite the result it was a great experience anyway. Also though it didn't seem great at the time, it was good in hindsight to have seen McGrath and Warne bowling in their prime. They just seemed unplayable.
    Cool. The place it reminds me of most, is the Camp Nou in Barcelona. A cauldron of noise.
    I was there in 2002, while working on a project in the city, to watch Liverpool hold the hosts to a draw.
    Sitting in the wrong end of course, with a jumper over the red shirt.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/champions_league/1868466.stm
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    England 1 behind DLS now.
  • Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    RRR down to a run a ball. 61 from 61 required.

    Spoke too soon, five dot balls in a row now.
    Runs are not the issue. Its wickets.
    RRR is rapidly creeping back up which is putting pressure on the wickets though.

    When you only need to turn over a run a ball its a lot simpler, but back up to over 8 per over now.
    Two boundaries sorts that. But we have to knock them
    Need many more than 2 now.

    Even getting a boundary that over, the RRR crept up a little bit further, whereas if we'd kept it to a run a ball it would have shrank. The RRR and wickets is adding to the pressure respectively.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    kamski said:

    No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:

    "About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"

    but slightly surprised that only Sunil objected


    The figures Leon gave were not wrong

    https://trunicle.com/worlds-biggest-holocaust-islamic-invaders-killed-more-than-80-million-hindus-in-india/
    This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -

    Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT.
    (emphasis mine)

    https://trunicle.com/about-us/
    The figures come from work by the Indian historian Professor KS Lal

    https://www.firstpost.com/opinion-news-expert-views-news-analysis-firstpost-viewpoint/whitewashing-genocides-and-history-phobia-why-ks-lals-claims-of-80-mn-hindus-killed-by-islamic-barbarism-hold-water-11618501.html
    Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
    @hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.

    Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.

    Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
    There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_Muslim_Population_in_Medieval_India

    This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969

    HYUFD said:

    Tres said:

    HYUFD has form for posting anti-vaxx nonsense on this site as part of his never-ending quest to refuse losing an argument.

    When have I ever posted anti vaxx information? Never so don't lie
    I remember in September 2021 you posted some utter bollocks about Bill Gates and the vaccine that Robert called you out on and you refused to back down on.
    It was not anti vaccine, it was pointing out concerns over Gates' pushing monopoly patent rights.

    In the developing world issues like that have delayed access to vaccines
  • That's cut the pressure a fair bit. Back above DLS par.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Well there’s your two big boundaries!
  • 18 from 4 deliveries. 🏏😲

    20 from 22 required.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    18 off 4 balls....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tres said:

    HYUFD has form for posting anti-vaxx nonsense on this site as part of his never-ending quest to refuse losing an argument.

    When have I ever posted anti vaxx information? Never so don't lie
    I remember in September 2021 you posted some utter bollocks about Bill Gates and the vaccine that Robert called you out on and you refused to back down on.
    It was not anti vaccine, it was pointing out concerns over Gates' pushing monopoly patent rights.

    In the developing world issues like that have delayed access to vaccines
    The stuff Gates is doing with food and medicine, is very worrying.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    18 off 4 balls....

    The beard that’s feared.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    1.03 England.
  • Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
    It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
    It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
    So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…


    More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
    Since 98% of sexual assault convictions are committed by people with penises, do you think that might be a place to start?
  • Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tres said:

    HYUFD has form for posting anti-vaxx nonsense on this site as part of his never-ending quest to refuse losing an argument.

    When have I ever posted anti vaxx information? Never so don't lie
    I remember in September 2021 you posted some utter bollocks about Bill Gates and the vaccine that Robert called you out on and you refused to back down on.
    It was not anti vaccine, it was pointing out concerns over Gates' pushing monopoly patent rights.

    In the developing world issues like that have delayed access to vaccines
    The stuff Gates is doing with food and medicine, is very worrying.
    With medicine he seems to have done a lot to help the developing world.

    With food, I don't see anything positive in what he's doing. Buying up vast tracts of land is rather concerning.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tres said:

    HYUFD has form for posting anti-vaxx nonsense on this site as part of his never-ending quest to refuse losing an argument.

    When have I ever posted anti vaxx information? Never so don't lie
    I remember in September 2021 you posted some utter bollocks about Bill Gates and the vaccine that Robert called you out on and you refused to back down on.
    It was not anti vaccine, it was pointing out concerns over Gates' pushing monopoly patent rights.

    In the developing world issues like that have delayed access to vaccines
    The stuff Gates is doing with food and medicine, is very worrying.
    He's a very dodgy character.
  • A lot lower risk now they can just take singles and twos to get the required runs. Just don't be silly.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Four more. 12 from 18 now, unbackable.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    7,000 fewer spectators compared to the 1992 World Cup final between England and Pakistan.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited November 2022
    Sandpit said:


    The stuff Gates is doing with food and medicine, is very worrying.

    I've heard about this too:
    https://www.theonion.com/evil-genius-gates-drops-windows-98-into-nyc-water-suppl-1819564734
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    Fascinating interview with Angela Rayner in the FT, and non-paywalled on this link.

    I thought having Starmer in her phone as Mr Darcy quite witty. The rather stuffy lawyer that you turn to in a crisis when passion let's you down...

    https://twitter.com/Marthalanefox/status/1591373351196434432?t=04LYlBgr0Svcj7kMY7aB8w&s=19
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    Did Nigel Farage get a place in today's commemoration at the Cenotaph in the end, by dint of being leader of Reform UK? Last I heard he was saying he wanted to come.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    David Dimbleby at the Cenotaph this morning '...to his right, Liz Truss, who was briefly Prime Minister'
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Ben stokes 20.0 for SPOTY. Now 16.0
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
    It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
    It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
    So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…


    More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
    Since 98% of sexual assault convictions are committed by people with penises, do you think that might be a place to start?
    No.

    Women hospital patients should be allowed to be visited by males under the same rules as any patient being visited by anyone.
  • Scores Level! 8 balls remaining.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Well it wont’ be Ali with the winning runs.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    This Stokes chap is quite handy in a crunch, isn't he?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    And that is that!
  • DJ41 said:

    Did Nigel Farage get a place in today's commemoration at the Cenotaph in the end, by dint of being leader of Reform UK? Last I heard he was saying he wanted to come.

    He isn't leader of Reform or any other political party. The leader is Richard Tice. And given they have no elected representatives in Parliament I don't see why they should be present any more than the Monster Raving Loony Party.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
    It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
    It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
    So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…


    More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
    Yes, and protecting all patients would entail taking the most obvious, time tested and value-for-money precautions, like penis yes/no ward discrimination, would it not?

    Absolute brain fart of a post.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Really the first 50 Stokes has got in T20s?
  • Well done Stokes, Buttler and England, WC Champions :grin: 🏏
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    An illustration of the mess the Scottish Government has got itself into:

    The Equality Act just contains one definition of ‘sex’, just contains one definition of ‘woman’, just contains one definition of ‘man’. And the structure of the Act supposes that the same concept applies across the Act, so when it uses ‘sex’ in one section, it means the same thing throughout the Act. Similarly when it says ‘woman’ in one particular provision it means it throughout the Act.

    But what the Scottish Ministers are now saying is that sometimes ‘woman’ means a biological woman in the Act, but other times, it means a biological woman plus a biological man who has a GRC. And that’s what worries me most of all about this massive shift in position, is that it’s a prescription for chaos. The Scottish Ministers have abandoned any coherent principle of statutory interpretation. All they have said is, if it doesn’t make sense to us when faced up with the implications of what they’re saying, then with one leap, oh, it’s a Section 9(3) understanding of sex, so biology still applies here. Now, that is not a position which is based on any kind of statutory interpretation. And that’s what we are about here. The law needs to be interpreted in a coherent and consistent fashion, not just for and among lawyers, but for those who have to apply the law.


    https://forwomen.scot/12/11/2022/judicial-review-2-substantive-hearing/

    They are such a useless bunch , greedy , weird self seeking arseholes. There ar eno redeeming factors in a cabinet of 2nd rate duffers who are just Sturgeon butt licking troughers. Their other good one is they can self id as disabled.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    There we go, ENGLAND CHAMPIONS!!!!!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    YAAAAAAAAS

    BEN BLOODY STOKES
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    DJ41 said:

    Did Nigel Farage get a place in today's commemoration at the Cenotaph in the end, by dint of being leader of Reform UK? Last I heard he was saying he wanted to come.

    He was ranting about an Albanian flag draped over the Churchill statue

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1591459999758393344?s=20&t=4MZBktAWO1Madi_nccgtkw
  • kyf_100 said:

    Just a quick one for Phil since he's about this morning:

    As you know I'm pro bitcoin (for the same reason I'm pro gold - I believe in private, i.e. non state issued money as a means of reining in central banks and infinite money printing). But even I'm shocked at the level of scamminess coming out of the FTX scandal.

    For me, if someone builds a giant scam/ponzi on the back of gold, for example ("give me your gold and I'll give you 10% more back next month") it doesn't make gold itself a scam, it's just a scam built on gold... but wowza. FTX. Sam Bankman-Fried looking a lot like the new Elizabeth Holmes, and I honestly don't blame you at this point for saying it's all a giant scam.

    For me, the underlying tech isn't a scam, self custody isn't a scam, but the sheer level of f***ery that's now coming out about FTX and some of the other players in the market goes beyond ponzi and into outright theft.

    It really is little wonder you believe the whole thing is a scam. As I say, if you build a scam on the back of gold, gold itself isn't a scam. But if 99% of the players in the gold market were scam artists, I think it's a pretty legitimate position to take.

    For anyone not following this, which would be a sane decision, today custodial exchanges have been under pressure to provide an attestation that they have all the cybercoins they say they do. To accomplish this they've been following the practice set by the Bitfinex/Tether exchange and borrowing coins from each other, doing the attestation then sending them back.

    PS If anyone's interested I have a story from when Mt Gox fell over: https://cryptodon.lol/web/@edmundedgar/109328621991453452
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792

    DJ41 said:

    Did Nigel Farage get a place in today's commemoration at the Cenotaph in the end, by dint of being leader of Reform UK? Last I heard he was saying he wanted to come.

    He isn't leader of Reform or any other political party. The leader is Richard Tice. And given they have no elected representatives in Parliament I don't see why they should be present any more than the Monster Raving Loony Party.
    Sorry - I was getting confused. I took it into my head that an article from several years ago was recent. Agreed there's no good reason to invite him.
  • Ishmael_Z said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
    It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
    It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
    So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…


    More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
    Yes, and protecting all patients would entail taking the most obvious, time tested and value-for-money precautions, like penis yes/no ward discrimination, would it not?

    Absolute brain fart of a post.
    Penis discrimination is exactly the same as calling all trans people rapists
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,664
    Didn't doubt it for a moment.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,789
    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    kamski said:

    No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:

    "About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"

    but slightly surprised that only Sunil objected


    The figures Leon gave were not wrong

    https://trunicle.com/worlds-biggest-holocaust-islamic-invaders-killed-more-than-80-million-hindus-in-india/
    This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -

    Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT.
    (emphasis mine)

    https://trunicle.com/about-us/
    The figures come from work by the Indian historian Professor KS Lal

    https://www.firstpost.com/opinion-news-expert-views-news-analysis-firstpost-viewpoint/whitewashing-genocides-and-history-phobia-why-ks-lals-claims-of-80-mn-hindus-killed-by-islamic-barbarism-hold-water-11618501.html
    Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
    @hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.

    Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.

    Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
    Well you don't have to look far. Just read his Wikipedia page and there are lots of references of others calling him out on his later works. Some very strongly. You can't pick and choose your internet sources.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    HYUFD said:

    DJ41 said:

    Did Nigel Farage get a place in today's commemoration at the Cenotaph in the end, by dint of being leader of Reform UK? Last I heard he was saying he wanted to come.

    He was ranting about an Albanian flag draped over the Churchill statue

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1591459999758393344?s=20&t=4MZBktAWO1Madi_nccgtkw
    What's wrong with complaining about that?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
    It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
    It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
    So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…


    More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
    Since 98% of sexual assault convictions are committed by people with penises, do you think that might be a place to start?
    It may well put Trans-women at risk. This does sound to have been an incident on a psychiatric ward. As per prisons, I think Trans-people who are either threat or at risk of sexual assault should be individually risk assessed and mitigations arranged, such as sideroom with ensuite toilet facilities.

    In a general medical setting we do not segregate sexes in outpatients, daycase or investigation suites. There are also many mixed wards, where a single speciality manages patients of both sexes, with separation by use of bays and siderooms.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    edited November 2022
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    kamski said:

    No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:

    "About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"

    but slightly surprised that only Sunil objected


    The figures Leon gave were not wrong

    https://trunicle.com/worlds-biggest-holocaust-islamic-invaders-killed-more-than-80-million-hindus-in-india/
    This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -

    Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT.
    (emphasis mine)

    https://trunicle.com/about-us/
    The figures come from work by the Indian historian Professor KS Lal

    https://www.firstpost.com/opinion-news-expert-views-news-analysis-firstpost-viewpoint/whitewashing-genocides-and-history-phobia-why-ks-lals-claims-of-80-mn-hindus-killed-by-islamic-barbarism-hold-water-11618501.html
    Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
    @hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.

    Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.

    Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
    Well you don't have to look far. Just read his Wikipedia page and there are lots of references of others calling him out on his later works. Some very strongly. You can't pick and choose your internet sources.
    Professor Jeremy Black formerly of Exeter University and now at the US Foreign Policy Institute regards Lal as a good scholar only considered rightwing by Indian Muslim Marxist historians, which says something

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AiZtAgAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._S._Lal

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    DJ41 said:

    Did Nigel Farage get a place in today's commemoration at the Cenotaph in the end, by dint of being leader of Reform UK? Last I heard he was saying he wanted to come.

    He was ranting about an Albanian flag draped over the Churchill statue

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1591459999758393344?s=20&t=4MZBktAWO1Madi_nccgtkw
    What's wrong with complaining about that?
    Nothing, hopefully it has now been removed
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    edited November 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    DJ41 said:

    Did Nigel Farage get a place in today's commemoration at the Cenotaph in the end, by dint of being leader of Reform UK? Last I heard he was saying he wanted to come.

    He was ranting about an Albanian flag draped over the Churchill statue

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1591459999758393344?s=20&t=4MZBktAWO1Madi_nccgtkw
    What's wrong with complaining about that?
    Albanians have a long history of Churchill fandom. He even featured on some of their postage stamps, in thanks for helping free them from fascism.

    https://twitter.com/LouisHenwood/status/1591532804722274304?t=wjUeHI1BhSAPqfBTl7ekTA&s=19
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    Leon said:

    That performance against India deserved that World Cup. Whoopoohooooo!

    Yes, that was a format changing performance. All the old stuff about setting a base, watching wickets in the power play etc etc just in the bin. Attack from ball 1 and keep going. Not a backward step.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    edited November 2022
    Yes, Sam Curran gets MOTM. Great to see it given to a bowler.

    Edit: and player of the tournament!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    edited November 2022
    Sandpit said:

    Yes, Sam Curran gets MOTM. Great to see it given to a bowler.

    And man of the tournament too. He has been outstanding and yet he hardly got a chance to bat.
  • Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
    It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
    It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
    So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…


    More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
    Since 98% of sexual assault convictions are committed by people with penises, do you think that might be a place to start?
    It may well put Trans-women at risk.
    So Trans women are at risk from other men?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    edited November 2022

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
    It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
    It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
    So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…


    More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
    Since 98% of sexual assault convictions are committed by people with penises, do you think that might be a place to start?
    It may well put Trans-women at risk.
    So Trans women are at risk from men?
    Yes. Does that surprise you?

    Imagine being a trans-woman in a male prison, or psychiatric facility.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    kamski said:

    No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:

    "About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"

    but slightly surprised that only Sunil objected


    The figures Leon gave were not wrong

    https://trunicle.com/worlds-biggest-holocaust-islamic-invaders-killed-more-than-80-million-hindus-in-india/
    This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -

    Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT.
    (emphasis mine)

    https://trunicle.com/about-us/
    The figures come from work by the Indian historian Professor KS Lal

    https://www.firstpost.com/opinion-news-expert-views-news-analysis-firstpost-viewpoint/whitewashing-genocides-and-history-phobia-why-ks-lals-claims-of-80-mn-hindus-killed-by-islamic-barbarism-hold-water-11618501.html
    They are a load of Hindu nationalist nonsense.
    Aside from noting that the total is given for thirteen centuries, it’s absurd to term what were wars between states of multiple kinds, over many centuries, as an ‘islamic genocide’ of Hindus.
    And accepting at face value casualty figures from so long ago is pitiful history.

    I’d also note that the mainly Hindu population of India grew at a historically unprecedented rate under Mughal rule.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yes, Sam Curran gets MOTM. Great to see it given to a bowler.

    And man of the tournament too. He has been outstanding and yet he hardly got a chance to bat.
    Can't even see him quoted in SPOTY betting so when he gets added it won't be generous.
  • Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
    It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
    It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
    So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…


    More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
    Since 98% of sexual assault convictions are committed by people with penises, do you think that might be a place to start?
    It may well put Trans-women at risk.
    So Trans women are at risk from men?
    Yes. Does that surprise you?

    Imagine being a trans-woman in a male prison, or psychiatric facility.

    I notice you deleted the "other" as in "other men".

    So the solution is to put biological women at risk from Trans Women?

    Pop quiz. What are the relative sexual assault offending rates between women, men and Trans women? One is very different from the other two. Two cluster closely.
  • Ben stokes 20.0 for SPOTY. Now 16.0

    Talk of SPotY reminds me of Time Person of the Year, and whether after the mid-terms, Joe Biden is now a contender, but no-one seems to be betting on it, probably because President Zelensky has looked home and hosed since the SMO.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yes, Sam Curran gets MOTM. Great to see it given to a bowler.

    And man of the tournament too. He has been outstanding and yet he hardly got a chance to bat.
    Can't even see him quoted in SPOTY betting so when he gets added it won't be generous.
    So when he gets added, he’ll be good value.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    kyf_100 said:

    Just a quick one for Phil since he's about this morning:

    As you know I'm pro bitcoin (for the same reason I'm pro gold - I believe in private, i.e. non state issued money as a means of reining in central banks and infinite money printing). But even I'm shocked at the level of scamminess coming out of the FTX scandal.

    For me, if someone builds a giant scam/ponzi on the back of gold, for example ("give me your gold and I'll give you 10% more back next month") it doesn't make gold itself a scam, it's just a scam built on gold... but wowza. FTX. Sam Bankman-Fried looking a lot like the new Elizabeth Holmes, and I honestly don't blame you at this point for saying it's all a giant scam.

    For me, the underlying tech isn't a scam, self custody isn't a scam, but the sheer level of f***ery that's now coming out about FTX and some of the other players in the market goes beyond ponzi and into outright theft.

    It really is little wonder you believe the whole thing is a scam. As I say, if you build a scam on the back of gold, gold itself isn't a scam. But if 99% of the players in the gold market were scam artists, I think it's a pretty legitimate position to take.

    For anyone not following this, which would be a sane decision, today custodial exchanges have been under pressure to provide an attestation that they have all the cybercoins they say they do. To accomplish this they've been following the practice set by the Bitfinex/Tether exchange and borrowing coins from each other, doing the attestation then sending them back.

    PS If anyone's interested I have a story from when Mt Gox fell over: https://cryptodon.lol/web/@edmundedgar/109328621991453452
    It's starting to feel rather reminiscent of Allen Stanford.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yes, Sam Curran gets MOTM. Great to see it given to a bowler.

    And man of the tournament too. He has been outstanding and yet he hardly got a chance to bat.
    Can't even see him quoted in SPOTY betting so when he gets added it won't be generous.
    So when he gets added, he’ll be good value.
    I think the opposite. Can't remember how the voting works and if Curran and Stokes might split the cricket vote or if you can vote multiple times?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yes, Sam Curran gets MOTM. Great to see it given to a bowler.

    And man of the tournament too. He has been outstanding and yet he hardly got a chance to bat.
    Can't even see him quoted in SPOTY betting so when he gets added it won't be generous.
    So when he gets added, he’ll be good value.
    I think the opposite. Can't remember how the voting works and if Curran and Stokes might split the cricket vote or if you can vote multiple times?
    There will be a shortlist from the BBC, with probably only one cricketer on it.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yes, Sam Curran gets MOTM. Great to see it given to a bowler.

    And man of the tournament too. He has been outstanding and yet he hardly got a chance to bat.
    Can't even see him quoted in SPOTY betting so when he gets added it won't be generous.
    So when he gets added, he’ll be good value.
    I think the opposite. Can't remember how the voting works and if Curran and Stokes might split the cricket vote or if you can vote multiple times?
    There will be a shortlist from the BBC, with probably only one cricketer on it.
    Unfortunately I have little hope of any England men doing anything outstanding during the world cup.
  • Catching up on political news this morning.

    Hunt says everyone is going to have to pay more tax. Rachel Reeves says everyone, particularly "higher earners", will have to pay even more tax.

    Maybe it's time I looked again at moving to Canada or Australia. My tits are clearly going to be squeezed till they're purple if I stay here and my job is hard and stressful enough as it is.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    kamski said:

    No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:

    "About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"

    but slightly surprised that only Sunil objected


    The figures Leon gave were not wrong

    https://trunicle.com/worlds-biggest-holocaust-islamic-invaders-killed-more-than-80-million-hindus-in-india/
    This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -

    Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT.
    (emphasis mine)

    https://trunicle.com/about-us/
    The figures come from work by the Indian historian Professor KS Lal

    https://www.firstpost.com/opinion-news-expert-views-news-analysis-firstpost-viewpoint/whitewashing-genocides-and-history-phobia-why-ks-lals-claims-of-80-mn-hindus-killed-by-islamic-barbarism-hold-water-11618501.html
    Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
    @hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.

    Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.

    Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
    There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_Muslim_Population_in_Medieval_India

    This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
    HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Based on Leonadamus’s prediction I turned off the cricket. How much did Pakistan win by eventually?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    edited November 2022

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yes, Sam Curran gets MOTM. Great to see it given to a bowler.

    And man of the tournament too. He has been outstanding and yet he hardly got a chance to bat.
    Can't even see him quoted in SPOTY betting so when he gets added it won't be generous.
    So when he gets added, he’ll be good value.
    I think the opposite. Can't remember how the voting works and if Curran and Stokes might split the cricket vote or if you can vote multiple times?
    There will be a shortlist from the BBC, with probably only one cricketer on it.
    Unfortunately I have little hope of any England men doing anything outstanding during the world cup.
    Assuming the footballers don’t win the WC, the cricketers should be favourites for team of the year.

    Looking at Betfair now, there’s only four sportspeople layable at sensible prices:
    Beth Mead
    Harry Kane
    Ben Stokes
    Ronnie O’Sullivan.

    I reckon the winner isn’t one of those four.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/special-bets/event/31141809/multi-market?marketIds=1.192647553
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yes, Sam Curran gets MOTM. Great to see it given to a bowler.

    And man of the tournament too. He has been outstanding and yet he hardly got a chance to bat.
    Can't even see him quoted in SPOTY betting so when he gets added it won't be generous.
    So when he gets added, he’ll be good value.
    I think the opposite. Can't remember how the voting works and if Curran and Stokes might split the cricket vote or if you can vote multiple times?
    There will be a shortlist from the BBC, with probably only one cricketer on it.
    Unfortunately I have little hope of any England men doing anything outstanding during the world cup.
    It's very difficult for a player in a team sport to win SPOTY - ignoring the farce of 2009, Stokes 2019 is the only one since Flintoff 2005.

    For the World Cup to provide a winner it would probably have to be a last-minute winner (as per Wilkinson 2003) or a hat trick in the final.
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