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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Whoops, spoke too soon. 16 from that over!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Remarkably, it begins to look like Biden will go down in history as the President who saw off a massive threat to US democracy.
  • Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    RASHID!!
  • DavidL said:

    RASHID!!

    As usual Yorkshire has to clean up the Lancastrian mess.
  • Heathener said:



    Labour ought to be clear FAV in this market by now. Starmer is a dud.

    You're declaring Starmer a "dud" Stuart based on punters, not on opinion polling. Starmer's Labour have a c. 20% lead in the polls, and that's during Rishi's honeymoon.
    When people write that "Starmer is a dud" I try to think of the last time Labour had a dull, managerial leader and Clement Attlee springs to mind. The difference is Attlee had some heavyweights in his Cabinet - Starmer does not yet appear to.
    Attlee also seemed to be able to accommodate the more radical left part of his party, Starmer not so much. Stomping on the left until it goes green may have benefits in terms of impressing Tory voters but there will be other consequences.
    Attlee was in a permanent battle with the radical left. They hated him almost as much as he hated them!

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Wicket maiden!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    Wicket maiden in the final! Just magic.
  • Remarkably, it begins to look like Biden will go down in history as the President who saw off a massive threat to US democracy.

    Quite possibly, though there’s some distance to run on that front. The US is not out of the woods yet.

    He has also been helped massively and unintentionally by SCOTUS.

    But I don’t think there’s any denying his presidency has been underrated up to now.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    The Arizona governors race is still up in the air .

    The remaining ballots in Maricopa county will increasingly break towards the GOP.

    This is because a disproportionate amount will be coming from more rural and suburban areas . Overall in terms of GOP leaning areas there are approx 220,000 ballots to count v 65,000 ballots in Dem leaning areas .

    Hobbs currently leads Lake by just over 34,000 votes .
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Quack quack!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    England massively on top now.
  • DavidL said:

    England massively on top now.

    Stop it.
  • I don’t see any love for Sir Keir at the MCG

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    Yet Johnson does better v Starmer in the redwall seats, the South West, Wales and East.

    Sunak only does better than Johnson in Scotland and the bluewall.

    So while Sunak has more confirmed Tory constituency holds, Johnson had potential for more seats won overall
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    ydoethur said:

    A Labour MP who announced a month ago that she was quitting to work for the health service is now refusing to stand down while she tries to secure a peerage.

    Rosie Cooper, 72, said on September 20 that she was stepping down as the member for West Lancashire to become chairwoman of Mersey Care NHS Foundation Trust.

    But she is now in a stand-off with Labour after she presented a list of demands she wants met before she names the date of her exit. It is understood to have angered senior party figures and thrown the party’s by-election plans into disarray.

    In anticipation of the poll in the seat, which Labour has held since 1992, the party had moved staff from elsewhere in the north of England and the Midlands to Lancashire to help with campaigning. It has also selected Ashley Dalton, a part-time charity worker, as its candidate.

    Cooper’s demands have included seeking guarantees around her police protection, which she receives as a result of a far-right extremist being jailed over a plot to murder her in 2019.

    These concerns were considered to be legitimate and have been acted on by Labour, with the parliamentary authorities also agreeing to a new security package to ensure that Cooper will continue to receive protection for several years after she stands down as an MP.

    But in recent weeks, multiple sources say that Cooper has tabled fresh demands for the party to award her a peerage.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-mp-rosie-cooper-hangs-on-to-seek-peerage-wds3bbj58

    There are all the same
    If anyone still thinks we should keep the House of Lords after the last 10 years, can you please drop me a VM?

    I just want to know what you're smoking, where I can get some and how much it will cost.
    I do, but I want it heavily reformed. One of which - no MP to be able to be made a peer for 10-15 years - was to avoid just such a situation as you describe.

    Then add minimum attendance or you lose your place and right to title.

    No resignation honours.

    No hereditaries.

    A maximum number to match the Commons.

    Mandatory retirement at, say, 80.

    No mass party appointments following an election.

    And so on.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Heathener said:

    Woke up to the news about the Democrats keeping control of the Senate, and most likely going on to win it outright 51-49.

    It's a stunning result in the context.

    Betting on a largely unknown Ron de Santis in 2024 against the proven winner Joe Biden is, in my opinion, foolish unless the odds are generous. I would want 10-1 before going in.

    Knew woking up wouldn't hurt them.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,362

    I don’t see any love for Sir Keir at the MCG

    A shame for Sunak that we never granted seats in the Commons to the colonies. Con GAIN Melbourne would be handy for them
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    HYUFD said:

    Yet Johnson does better v Starmer in the redwall seats, the South West, Wales and East.

    Sunak only does better than Johnson in Scotland and the bluewall.

    So while Sunak has more confirmed Tory constituency holds, Johnson had potential for more seats won overall

    One of us has completely missed the point of the header. It reads to me that Johnson was going to see the Tories obliterated across the land.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    So with the Democrats holding the Senate and the GOP still not gaining the House Biden has had the best set of midterms since Bush in 2002
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited November 2022
    Morten Morland on #Trump #DeSantis #GOP - political cartoon gallery in London original-political-cartoon.com

    https://twitter.com/cartoon4sale/status/1591713632257445889?s=46&t=wC7C3rKPrUYgzC9P47_hfw

    Swap characters for Tory Party and Sunak dining while Johnson bangs on the window.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662

    I don’t see any love for Sir Keir at the MCG

    A shame for Sunak that we never granted seats in the Commons to the colonies. Con GAIN Melbourne would be handy for them
    Looks like the Indian diaspora, or travelling fans.
  • Heathener said:



    Labour ought to be clear FAV in this market by now. Starmer is a dud.

    You're declaring Starmer a "dud" Stuart based on punters, not on opinion polling. Starmer's Labour have a c. 20% lead in the polls, and that's during Rishi's honeymoon.
    When people write that "Starmer is a dud" I try to think of the last time Labour had a dull, managerial leader and Clement Attlee springs to mind. The difference is Attlee had some heavyweights in his Cabinet - Starmer does not yet appear to.
    Attlee also seemed to be able to accommodate the more radical left part of his party, Starmer not so much. Stomping on the left until it goes green may have benefits in terms of impressing Tory voters but there will be other consequences.
    Attlee was in a permanent battle with the radical left. They hated him almost as much as he hated them!

    And yet he had Shinwell and Bevan in his cabinet and oversaw the creation of the welfare state. Who are the equivalent figures for Starmer and what will be his equivalent radical policy?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    edited November 2022
    The Sunday Rawnsley, offered as blessed relief from the accursed cricket (and despite his not understanding laying a bet):

    The longer the stretch of uninterrupted Conservative rule, the bigger the scandals tend to get.

    Exhibit number one is Matt Hancock. He’s jetted down under to trouser a large sum from an unreality TV show and justifies going absent without leave from Westminster on the grounds that representing his constituents is less important than showing the public “who I am”. Matt, mate, no one is interested in discovering the “real” you.

    Our next exhibit is Gavin Williamson, the pound-shop Machiavelli whose one genuine talent was exploiting the neediness of successive Tory leaders by persuading them that he could grub together support in parliament so long as they weren’t squeamish about how he did it. The only people to be saddened by his removal are Rishi Sunak, who looks like a weak fool for putting “Sir” Gavin in his government, and punters who had laid bets that Suella Braverman would be the first minister to be ejected from the Sunak cabinet.

    Fear of being shamed used to be an important regulator of the conduct of politicians. Now there is no transgression so appalling that the perpetrator cannot scheme for a rapid comeback – often successfully.

    This culture of shamelessness helps to explain why this protracted period of Tory rule has been splattered with so many and such a variety of scandals from Partygate to lucrative Covid contracts delivered to Tory mates by the crony express. The Conservatives broke a threshold that they should never have crossed when they gave the leadership of their party to the moral vacuum called Boris Johnson.

    In a classic case of Johnsonian cakeism, he wants to give berths in the Lords to Conservative MPs who stuck with him to the end, but post-date the peerages to after the next election so the Tories don’t have to face the verdict of voters at byelections. There have been dodgy honours lists before, but this sets a new low for boundary trampling. As you would fully expect from Mr Johnson.

    Mr Sunak should tear up Mr Johnson’s shopping list of baubles and peerages for his sugar daddies, courtiers and cronies. Honours are awarded in the name of the crown and with advice from the prime minister. There’s no law that entitles ex-prime ministers to hand out gongs and reserve seats in the upper chamber of the legislature. It’s just a custom. When a custom is grossly abused by a man who was fired in disgrace from Number 10, the custom can and should be overridden.

    We know that Mr Johnson is a man without shame. Mr Sunak, how about you?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    kamski said:

    No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:

    "About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"

    but slightly surprised that only Sunil objected


    The figures Leon gave were not wrong

    https://trunicle.com/worlds-biggest-holocaust-islamic-invaders-killed-more-than-80-million-hindus-in-india/
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    Dems looking good to win AZ Gov now. The ballot dump from Maricopa barely put a dent in Hobbs’ lead.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    Would have given Ali a bowl after Rashid's masterclass. No real swing for the seamers now.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    edited November 2022

    Heathener said:



    Labour ought to be clear FAV in this market by now. Starmer is a dud.

    You're declaring Starmer a "dud" Stuart based on punters, not on opinion polling. Starmer's Labour have a c. 20% lead in the polls, and that's during Rishi's honeymoon.
    When people write that "Starmer is a dud" I try to think of the last time Labour had a dull, managerial leader and Clement Attlee springs to mind. The difference is Attlee had some heavyweights in his Cabinet - Starmer does not yet appear to.
    When people write that “Starmer is a dud”, it is not his dull managerialism that they are referring to. Some dull managerial types make excellent politicians.

    No, it is his tone-deafness and horrifying poor judgment. Brexit, just to take one example, is a pile of putrefying shit and vomit, and Starmer has smeared himself and his party in the concoction.

    Both Sunak and Starmer have been in the Commons five minutes, and boy does that inexperience show.
    He does seem to be a reasonable office manager, but his ability at retail politics is woeful. Timid policy with no vision or snappy soundbites is going to cost him. His biggest asset is the pisspoor state and toxicity of the Tories.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    HYUFD said:

    kamski said:

    No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:

    "About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"

    but slightly surprised that only Sunil objected


    The figures Leon gave were not wrong

    https://trunicle.com/worlds-biggest-holocaust-islamic-invaders-killed-more-than-80-million-hindus-in-india/
    HYUFD said:

    kamski said:

    No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:

    "About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"

    but slightly surprised that only Sunil objected


    The figures Leon gave were not wrong

    https://trunicle.com/worlds-biggest-holocaust-islamic-invaders-killed-more-than-80-million-hindus-in-india/
    A known dangerous webpage according to Norton Security! No thanks
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet Johnson does better v Starmer in the redwall seats, the South West, Wales and East.

    Sunak only does better than Johnson in Scotland and the bluewall.

    So while Sunak has more confirmed Tory constituency holds, Johnson had potential for more seats won overall

    One of us has completely missed the point of the header. It reads to me that Johnson was going to see the Tories obliterated across the land.
    Yet the final Opinium poll under Johnson in July had the Conservatives on 33%.

    The final Opinium poll under Truss had the Conservatives on 23% and the current Opinium poll rating for the Conservatives under Sunak has the Conservatives on 28%, So the real damage to the party was done by Truss, with Sunak still not having recovered to the levels Johnson had in the summer

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#Graphical_summary

  • HYUFD said:

    kamski said:

    No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:

    "About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"

    but slightly surprised that only Sunil objected


    The figures Leon gave were not wrong

    https://trunicle.com/worlds-biggest-holocaust-islamic-invaders-killed-more-than-80-million-hindus-in-india/
    This shows why previous threads should be allowed to die.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    edited November 2022
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet Johnson does better v Starmer in the redwall seats, the South West, Wales and East.

    Sunak only does better than Johnson in Scotland and the bluewall.

    So while Sunak has more confirmed Tory constituency holds, Johnson had potential for more seats won overall

    One of us has completely missed the point of the header. It reads to me that Johnson was going to see the Tories obliterated across the land.
    The TLDR is that Johnson's distribution of support delivers more seats at high poll ratings but fewer seats at lower poll ratings.

    I'd infer that Johnson's distribution of support also tilts slightly toward LibDem gains and away from Labour gains.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    It's going to be difficult for Pakistan to defend this.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet Johnson does better v Starmer in the redwall seats, the South West, Wales and East.

    Sunak only does better than Johnson in Scotland and the bluewall.

    So while Sunak has more confirmed Tory constituency holds, Johnson had potential for more seats won overall

    One of us has completely missed the point of the header. It reads to me that Johnson was going to see the Tories obliterated across the land.
    The TLDR is that Johnson's distribution of support delivers more seats at high poll ratings but fewer seats at lower poll ratings.
    Yes, but Johnson causes lower poll ratings!
  • Andy_JS said:

    It's going to be difficult for Pakistan to defend this.

    It was a thousand years ago!

    Oh.. you mean the cricket ;)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    HYUFD said:

    So with the Democrats holding the Senate and the GOP still not gaining the House Biden has had the best set of midterms since Bush in 2002

    And remember, 2002 was in the shadow of 9/11 and shortly before the invasion of Iraq. Not exactly normal times.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    6 down....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Great bowling from Curran, again. That over made a huge difference.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    PBers.

    I need your help, an Australian friend and sent me this message and I need your help in coming up with the perfect retort.

    Aussie friend: If the final is washed out, England will have two World Cup titles without winning either of them.

    Mea culpa that it is the only way they could win anything is the only reply
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    The only worry now is how much turn Rashid got. Its not going to be easy to bat against spin on this track. But Pakistan well below par.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    edited November 2022
    Comedy fielding there from England. Hopefully won’t make too much of a difference, Pakistan looking to be closer to 140 than 160. Last two overs going for 3 and 5, with a wicket in each.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,789

    6 down....

    Are you doing a crossword?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    Livingstone has taken over from Jordan as England's best fielder.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    kjh said:

    6 down....

    Are you doing a crossword?
    I've moved on to 7 down.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    kjh said:

    6 down....

    Are you doing a crossword?
    Not in (3).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Curran's on fire!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    Jonathan said:

    Not a big follower of I’m a celebrity. But on the back LD this, I am not sure the government will want to talk about their covid record all that much at the next General Election.

    I’m not sure any government will. Every government made mistakes, because it was a really difficult challenge. Did you ever conceive in your life that lockdown would be a thing? And how do you balance telling people to stay home with being able to earn a living? How do you best protect the vulnerable? Do you try to eliminate the virus (see NZ), but what happens if other countries don’t (see also NZ).
    Certainly in the U.K. the devolved governments set their stall on being more restricted for longer, but both made errors. Sturgeons government suffered the same care home issues as Johnson’s. Drakeford oversaw supermarkets fencing off sections to avoid being unfair to smaller retailers, and closing a football ground because the toilets were in Wales.
    We bemoan the wasted money on PPE and track and trace, yet after the first crisis the NHS had enough PPE and if you ever used a ‘free’ test kit, ask where the bill for that went.

    We know how harsh hindsight can, and probably will be. When the vaccines were confirmed as working we should have locked down hard until the over 60’s had had their shots. It would likely have saved 10s of thousands. For me that was the biggest error. Others will disagree, but fair criticism should levelled based on what was known at the time.
    Most of the cash on PPE, track and trace scams ended up in Tories , their families and buddies pockets. All that cash that we now need tax rises to pay for. They should b etarring and feathering them and their crooked pals and running them out of the country.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    The MCG is a ground where it's often better to hit it along the ground for 2 or 3. Pakistan keep going aerial and picking out the fielders.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited November 2022

    HYUFD said:

    So with the Democrats holding the Senate and the GOP still not gaining the House Biden has had the best set of midterms since Bush in 2002

    And remember, 2002 was in the shadow of 9/11 and shortly before the invasion of Iraq. Not exactly normal times.
    Things would, naturally, have been quite different had Biden gotten his turn sooner, different political environment entirely, but given the main concern about him is around his age, it's a real shame, as he seems to be pretty decent at being President, despite unpopularity.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Sam Curran, my nomination for the man of the first half of the match.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    Andy_JS said:

    The MCG is a ground where it's often better to hit it along the ground for 2 or 3. Pakistan keep going aerial and picking out the fielders.

    I thought Pakistan ran really well in the first 10 but once the wickets started to fall...yet another catch for Livingstone.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
  • DavidL said:

    Livingstone has taken over from Jordan as England's best fielder.

    Are you backing Wales in the World Cup?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Why do cricket TV editors always show zoomed in angles when you want to see the whole pitch? The final ball was a case in point.
  • Foxy said:

    Heathener said:



    Labour ought to be clear FAV in this market by now. Starmer is a dud.

    You're declaring Starmer a "dud" Stuart based on punters, not on opinion polling. Starmer's Labour have a c. 20% lead in the polls, and that's during Rishi's honeymoon.
    When people write that "Starmer is a dud" I try to think of the last time Labour had a dull, managerial leader and Clement Attlee springs to mind. The difference is Attlee had some heavyweights in his Cabinet - Starmer does not yet appear to.
    When people write that “Starmer is a dud”, it is not his dull managerialism that they are referring to. Some dull managerial types make excellent politicians.

    No, it is his tone-deafness and horrifying poor judgment. Brexit, just to take one example, is a pile of putrefying shit and vomit, and Starmer has smeared himself and his party in the concoction.

    Both Sunak and Starmer have been in the Commons five minutes, and boy does that inexperience show.
    He does seem to be a reasonable office manager, but his ability at retail politics is woeful. Timid policy with no vision or snappy soundbites is going to cost him. His biggest asset is the pisspoor state and toxicity of the Tories.
    I just cannot grasp why he is such a scaredy-cat. Labour have a golden opportunity here to crush the Tories. Absolutely mash the fuckers. And instead he’s doing his very best to ape them. It is tragic to witness. Labour are going to profoundly regret their timidity, and curse their failure to recruit any talent whatsoever during the last decade.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    So 138 the target, somewhat below par. Great death bowling from England in those last few overs.

    It should be easy for England, so long as they don’t lose too many early wickets.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    DavidL said:

    Livingstone has taken over from Jordan as England's best fielder.

    Are you backing Wales in the World Cup?
    I back all British teams against anyone else and Scotland against all the home countries.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    Sandpit said:

    So 138 the target, somewhat below par. Great death bowling from England in those last few overs.

    It should be easy for England, so long as they don’t lose too many early wickets.

    If I was Pakistan I would open with spin. Its their only chance.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969

    Foxy said:

    Heathener said:



    Labour ought to be clear FAV in this market by now. Starmer is a dud.

    You're declaring Starmer a "dud" Stuart based on punters, not on opinion polling. Starmer's Labour have a c. 20% lead in the polls, and that's during Rishi's honeymoon.
    When people write that "Starmer is a dud" I try to think of the last time Labour had a dull, managerial leader and Clement Attlee springs to mind. The difference is Attlee had some heavyweights in his Cabinet - Starmer does not yet appear to.
    When people write that “Starmer is a dud”, it is not his dull managerialism that they are referring to. Some dull managerial types make excellent politicians.

    No, it is his tone-deafness and horrifying poor judgment. Brexit, just to take one example, is a pile of putrefying shit and vomit, and Starmer has smeared himself and his party in the concoction.

    Both Sunak and Starmer have been in the Commons five minutes, and boy does that inexperience show.
    He does seem to be a reasonable office manager, but his ability at retail politics is woeful. Timid policy with no vision or snappy soundbites is going to cost him. His biggest asset is the pisspoor state and toxicity of the Tories.
    I just cannot grasp why he is such a scaredy-cat. Labour have a golden opportunity here to crush the Tories. Absolutely mash the fuckers. And instead he’s doing his very best to ape them. It is tragic to witness. Labour are going to profoundly regret their timidity, and curse their failure to recruit any talent whatsoever during the last decade.
    The crushing defeat of Corbyn in 2019 made quite clear British voters do not want the far left in government, so Starmer is right to be cautious to reassure swing voters
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    Dems looking good to win AZ Gov now. The ballot dump from Maricopa barely put a dent in Hobbs’ lead.

    Surely not? @Leon's latest political squeeze, election-denier Kari Lake defeated?

    Let's hope so.
    But she is outperforming the GOP senate candidate. Or Hobbs underperforming v theirs.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    edited November 2022
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    So 138 the target, somewhat below par. Great death bowling from England in those last few overs.

    It should be easy for England, so long as they don’t lose too many early wickets.

    If I was Pakistan I would open with spin. Its their only chance.
    Yes, especially with the possibility of rain, Pakistan need to limit the early runs and hope for a power-play wicket or two.

    Betfair 1.25 on England making the runs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    edited November 2022

    HYUFD said:

    So with the Democrats holding the Senate and the GOP still not gaining the House Biden has had the best set of midterms since Bush in 2002

    And remember, 2002 was in the shadow of 9/11 and shortly before the invasion of Iraq. Not exactly normal times.
    True, though remember had Ohio gone the other way in 2004 it would have been President Kerry.

    So midterms success does not guarantee a big re election landslide for the President 2 years later
  • 3-12 in 4 overs in a T20WC Final is just incredible figures for Curran.

    Great bowling, just have to hope the batsmen don't choke.
  • DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    So 138 the target, somewhat below par. Great death bowling from England in those last few overs.

    It should be easy for England, so long as they don’t lose too many early wickets.

    If I was Pakistan I would open with spin. Its their only chance.
    I'm not sure you can spin 138 into being a positive target to set.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet Johnson does better v Starmer in the redwall seats, the South West, Wales and East.

    Sunak only does better than Johnson in Scotland and the bluewall.

    So while Sunak has more confirmed Tory constituency holds, Johnson had potential for more seats won overall

    One of us has completely missed the point of the header. It reads to me that Johnson was going to see the Tories obliterated across the land.
    The TLDR is that Johnson's distribution of support delivers more seats at high poll ratings but fewer seats at lower poll ratings.
    Yes, but Johnson causes lower poll ratings!
    That's the catch for those Tories who wanted him back!

    The other catch is that the effect will outlast the cause!
  • malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    HYUFD said:

    kamski said:

    No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:

    "About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"

    but slightly surprised that only Sunil objected


    The figures Leon gave were not wrong

    https://trunicle.com/worlds-biggest-holocaust-islamic-invaders-killed-more-than-80-million-hindus-in-india/
    This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -

    Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT.
    (emphasis mine)

    https://trunicle.com/about-us/
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863

    Foxy said:

    Heathener said:



    Labour ought to be clear FAV in this market by now. Starmer is a dud.

    You're declaring Starmer a "dud" Stuart based on punters, not on opinion polling. Starmer's Labour have a c. 20% lead in the polls, and that's during Rishi's honeymoon.
    When people write that "Starmer is a dud" I try to think of the last time Labour had a dull, managerial leader and Clement Attlee springs to mind. The difference is Attlee had some heavyweights in his Cabinet - Starmer does not yet appear to.
    When people write that “Starmer is a dud”, it is not his dull managerialism that they are referring to. Some dull managerial types make excellent politicians.

    No, it is his tone-deafness and horrifying poor judgment. Brexit, just to take one example, is a pile of putrefying shit and vomit, and Starmer has smeared himself and his party in the concoction.

    Both Sunak and Starmer have been in the Commons five minutes, and boy does that inexperience show.
    He does seem to be a reasonable office manager, but his ability at retail politics is woeful. Timid policy with no vision or snappy soundbites is going to cost him. His biggest asset is the pisspoor state and toxicity of the Tories.
    I just cannot grasp why he is such a scaredy-cat. Labour have a golden opportunity here to crush the Tories. Absolutely mash the fuckers. And instead he’s doing his very best to ape them. It is tragic to witness. Labour are going to profoundly regret their timidity, and curse their failure to recruit any talent whatsoever during the last decade.
    cf. 1996-7 (or indeed the first part of Blair's first term)
  • Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yet Johnson does better v Starmer in the redwall seats, the South West, Wales and East.

    Sunak only does better than Johnson in Scotland and the bluewall.

    So while Sunak has more confirmed Tory constituency holds, Johnson had potential for more seats won overall

    One of us has completely missed the point of the header. It reads to me that Johnson was going to see the Tories obliterated across the land.
    The TLDR is that Johnson's distribution of support delivers more seats at high poll ratings but fewer seats at lower poll ratings.
    Yes, but Johnson causes lower poll ratings!
    Hence the dilemma for the Conservatives. It's a bit like the one the Republicans have with Trump.

    Both Johnson and Trump reach parts that their parties struggle to reach otherwise. In both cases, it's tricky to get a winning path without those new parts.

    But the cost in the old core, and in energising the opposition, is just too great.

    Plus they are both terrible people to put in actual power.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    So 138 the target, somewhat below par. Great death bowling from England in those last few overs.

    It should be easy for England, so long as they don’t lose too many early wickets.

    If I was Pakistan I would open with spin. Its their only chance.
    I'm not sure you can spin 138 into being a positive target to set.
    I agree, they are at least 30 short, arguably more against this England line up. They really need to bowl England out to stop them from getting this.
  • Oh dear.
  • Scottish ministers claim it is 'not in public interest' to release independent valuation of Lochaber assets

    Ministers have refused to back up claims made in the media the value of the Lochaber smelter is worth more than the taxpayer liability connected to the deal.


    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scottish-ministers-claim-it-is-not-in-public-interest-to-release-independent-valuation-of-lochaber-assets-3913561

    The “public” or “the SNP government’s” interest?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    Oh dear.

    Very good delivery
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    So 138 the target, somewhat below par. Great death bowling from England in those last few overs.

    It should be easy for England, so long as they don’t lose too many early wickets.

    If I was Pakistan I would open with spin. Its their only chance.
    They haven't.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    It’s definitely starting to rain.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    kamski said:

    No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:

    "About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"

    but slightly surprised that only Sunil objected


    The figures Leon gave were not wrong

    https://trunicle.com/worlds-biggest-holocaust-islamic-invaders-killed-more-than-80-million-hindus-in-india/
    This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -

    Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT.
    (emphasis mine)

    https://trunicle.com/about-us/
    The figures come from work by the Indian historian Professor KS Lal

    https://www.firstpost.com/opinion-news-expert-views-news-analysis-firstpost-viewpoint/whitewashing-genocides-and-history-phobia-why-ks-lals-claims-of-80-mn-hindus-killed-by-islamic-barbarism-hold-water-11618501.html
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
    It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
  • Sandpit said:

    I know it’s a low-scoring ground, because of the physical size of the place, but 68/2 after 10 overs does seem a little low on runs.

    I'll be pissed off if we haven't got three boundaries by the end of the second over, let alone the tenth
    Eleven balls
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    edited November 2022
    Umpires' call on point of contact? Good shout
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    Several remarked yesterday how they missed Cyclefree’s contributions to the site. She’s still on Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/Cyclefree2) and here’s a excerpt from an article she liked recently:

    So why do civil liberties violations and calls for further clampdowns follow trans activism wherever it goes?

    The short answer is that the trans movement threatens civil liberties because the movement is not what it claims to be and thus is threatened by free and open enquiry. If a movement cannot withstand scrutiny, it will create and enforce taboos—and undermine civil liberties in the process. One of the trans movement’s central claims is that there is no conflict between its claims and demands and the rights of any other group. Stonewall, a leading trans rights organisation in the United Kingdom, states upfront that ‘we do not and will not acknowledge a conflict between trans rights and “sex based women’s rights”.’ Merely ‘claiming [that] there is a conflict between trans people’s human rights and those of any other group’—such as women, children, religious minorities, or lesbian and gay people—is defined as transphobic hate speech that governments and private corporations alike should censor.


    https://freethinker.co.uk/2022/10/the-falsehood-at-the-heart-of-the-trans-movement/

    Thanks for that
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    malcolmg said:

    Bollocks:

    ‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’

    https://twitter.com/kathmurray1/status/1591708311153524737

    Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
    It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):

    A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.

    Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

    Yes, criminal indeed.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    Sandpit said:

    It’s definitely starting to rain.

    If they are rained off do they continue the same match tomorrow or start again?
  • Sandpit said:

    I know it’s a low-scoring ground, because of the physical size of the place, but 68/2 after 10 overs does seem a little low on runs.

    I'll be pissed off if we haven't got three boundaries by the end of the second over, let alone the tenth
    Eleven balls
    When trans ops go wrong?
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Livingstone has taken over from Jordan as England's best fielder.

    Are you backing Wales in the World Cup?
    I back all British teams against anyone else and Scotland against all the home countries.
    Nicely swerved the Wales v. England elephant. Might have to send it upstairs for review though.
  • DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    It’s definitely starting to rain.

    If they are rained off do they continue the same match tomorrow or start again?
    Continue the same match.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,789
    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    kamski said:

    No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:

    "About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"

    but slightly surprised that only Sunil objected


    The figures Leon gave were not wrong

    https://trunicle.com/worlds-biggest-holocaust-islamic-invaders-killed-more-than-80-million-hindus-in-india/
    This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -

    Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT.
    (emphasis mine)

    https://trunicle.com/about-us/
    The figures come from work by the Indian historian Professor KS Lal

    https://www.firstpost.com/opinion-news-expert-views-news-analysis-firstpost-viewpoint/whitewashing-genocides-and-history-phobia-why-ks-lals-claims-of-80-mn-hindus-killed-by-islamic-barbarism-hold-water-11618501.html
    Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
  • FWIW, I suspect that with his government career over and an expensive divorce settlement coming up (presumably also for Gina) £400k was an offer Matt Hancock simply couldn't afford to turn down.

    He convinced himself that it was a way of connecting with the public better (in his mind) and he might have a slim chance of changing public perceptions of him, leading to something else in future, so why not roll the dice?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,748

    FWIW, I suspect that with his government career over and an expensive divorce settlement coming up (presumably also for Gina) £400k was an offer Matt Hancock simply couldn't afford to turn down.

    He convinced himself that it was a way of connecting with the public better (in his mind) and he might have a slim chance of changing public perceptions of him, leading to something else in future, so why not roll the dice?

    There’s also a degree of self flagellation. Putting yourself in the stocks and hope public outrage at you burns itself out.
  • FWIW, I suspect that with his government career over and an expensive divorce settlement coming up (presumably also for Gina) £400k was an offer Matt Hancock simply couldn't afford to turn down.

    He convinced himself that it was a way of connecting with the public better (in his mind) and he might have a slim chance of changing public perceptions of him, leading to something else in future, so why not roll the dice?

    I hope there's at least one additional 0 that shouldn't be there.
  • Naseem Shah beat Jos Buttler 5 times in that over. And it still went for 11..

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeDobell1/status/1591738949189636096
  • DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    It’s definitely starting to rain.

    If they are rained off do they continue the same match tomorrow or start again?
    Continue the same match.
    So even with rain, DLS won't come into play unless it rains tomorrow too?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,664
    moonshine said:

    FWIW, I suspect that with his government career over and an expensive divorce settlement coming up (presumably also for Gina) £400k was an offer Matt Hancock simply couldn't afford to turn down.

    He convinced himself that it was a way of connecting with the public better (in his mind) and he might have a slim chance of changing public perceptions of him, leading to something else in future, so why not roll the dice?

    There’s also a degree of self flagellation. Putting yourself in the stocks and hope public outrage at you burns itself out.
    Hancock wanted to be rehabilitated like Ed Balls on strictly. He made at least three mistakes. He’s still an mp. He’s picked the wrong show. He’s not Ed balls.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    Game on....
  • This is Pakistan's final now.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    Superb bowling from Pakistan. This is getting tough.
  • Which will lose it?

    Too few runs left for Pakistan?
    Or too few wickets left for England?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Pakistan to win this. Probably. EEEEK
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