No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
Our Island Story (note the correct title) is one of my favourite books. My wife gave me a first edition for our paper anniversary.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
There's simply no way that Indian armies could have numbered in the hundreds of thousands, even millions, in Alexander's time. No state had the means to field armies of that size, and any attempt to do so would have resulted in their starving to death. When ancient historians say "a million soldiers", they mean "a very big number". You see the same with Herodotus or the Old Testament.
As for the big drop in Indian population after 1300, the most obvious explanation for it is bubonic plague.
I must admit my reaction to HYUFD frothing about pyramids was to reflect that you only need 4 skulls to make a pyramid. Pyramids of skulls? Meh.
Four skulls would mark you out as a bit of a bleeding-hearted liberal, back then.
Conquerors were generally quite proud of their pyramids of heads/skulls. When Timur took Damascus, he commanded each soldier to bring him back two heads. So, once they ran out of Damascenes, they started beheading their prisoners.
Tends to get overlooked in this part of the world when reflecting on conquerors, not sure why.
Though I like the the hard turn in the wikipedia summary.
An undefeated commander, he is widely regarded as one of the greatest military leaders and tacticians in history, as well as one of the most brutal.[9][10][11] Timur is also considered a great patron of art and architecture as he interacted with intellectuals such as Ibn Khaldun, Hafez, and Hafiz-i Abru and his reign introduced the Timurid Renaissance
And I bet that he made sure that he addressed people using their preferred pronouns too.
THE economist behind a report on currency ‘buried’ by the Scottish Government’s junior partner has warned independence could cost households a fifth of their income.
Professor Ronald MacDonald said Nicola Sturgeon’s plan to keep using the pound for years after a Yes vote would fail as the financial markets would bring forward a currency crisis on "day one" of independence.
He said that would force a newly independent Scotland to adopt its own currency far faster than the First Minister has suggested, with a devaluation of 20 to 30 per cent likely.
“These are big numbers and they will affect peoples’ wages and they will affect peoples’ mortgages,” he said.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
As for starters the vast majority of historical archives from the Middle Ages, Tudor and Stuart period etc we have were already around in 1900.
History is NOT science, built on the latest scientific discoveries, it is simply a narrative record of historical archives and events and interpretation of them at a more advanced level
Methodology. New analyses, new interpretations, all change.
I've been extremely cautious about *any* history book written before the 1930s ever since a friend at uni showed me Herbert Butterfield's 'The Whig Interpretation of History' [or whatever it was called).
Books written in the distant past are the most exciting imo. When you read truth ringing out from in between the bits that are of their time - concepts that later events align with, you know you've found a great book. Today's history books will be so riddled with the mores of the 21st century that it's impossible to tell whether there's anything worth reading or not.
History books written in the distant past are a wonderful insight into that past not necessarily the subject they are writing about. Same with “historical” movies - they tell us a lot more about when they were made than the actual events they depict.
As the old Soviet saying goes, “The future is certain! It’s the past that keeps changing”
I agree about films (the same is true of Sci Fi - it's always about when it's made, not the future), but with books, as time goes on, we can see more clearly which parts are just the mores of that time, and which parts offer valuable insights. If there's a chapter about how great periwigs are, or why the weaker sex are constantly having fits of vapours, those are easily discarded, and what's left (if anything) is gold. We can't do that with current books, which are every bit as full of 'when they were made' stuff - we just can't see it.
THE economist behind a report on currency ‘buried’ by the Scottish Government’s junior partner has warned independence could cost households a fifth of their income.
Professor Ronald MacDonald said Nicola Sturgeon’s plan to keep using the pound for years after a Yes vote would fail as the financial markets would bring forward a currency crisis on "day one" of independence.
He said that would force a newly independent Scotland to adopt its own currency far faster than the First Minister has suggested, with a devaluation of 20 to 30 per cent likely.
“These are big numbers and they will affect peoples’ wages and they will affect peoples’ mortgages,” he said.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Not at all - it’s a rip roaring romp through history where the plucky Brit can do no wrong and eventually overcomes great challenges to ensure that truth and righteousness reign supreme.
Not particularly right wing, but definitely of its era
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
They are a load of Hindu nationalist nonsense. Aside from noting that the total is given for thirteen centuries, it’s absurd to term what were wars between states of multiple kinds, over many centuries, as an ‘islamic genocide’ of Hindus. And accepting at face value casualty figures from so long ago is pitiful history.
I’d also note that the mainly Hindu population of India grew at a historically unprecedented rate under Mughal rule.
Professor Lal's fault is anachronism. He's trying to project Hindu nationalism back into a world in which it did not exist.
Babur was an intellectual who wrote poetry, painted miniatures, and wrote his autobiography. He himself records building "towers of skulls" of defeated opponents. But, towers of skulls were standard operating practice for any steppe conqueror. Genghis Khan and his successors, and Timur, likewise built towers of skulls. The reason was this. You gave your enemies the option: surrender and live, resist and face total destruction.
The Ottomans, Persians, North African corsairs, Spanish and other European rulers were equally brutal at the time, if less flamboyant. And, we can be quite sure that Hindu rulers were no nicer towards defeated enemies than Muslim rulers were.
Yup. The methodology of all the empires, large and small, was quite similar. Pound on the locals until they kept quiet, put your own people in the existing power structures and collect the taxes
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
As for starters the vast majority of historical archives from the Middle Ages, Tudor and Stuart period etc we have were already around in 1900.
History is NOT science, built on the latest scientific discoveries, it is simply a narrative record of historical archives and events and interpretation of them at a more advanced level
Methodology. New analyses, new interpretations, all change.
I've been extremely cautious about *any* history book written before the 1930s ever since a friend at uni showed me Herbert Butterfield's 'The Whig Interpretation of History' [or whatever it was called).
Books written in the distant past are the most exciting imo. When you read truth ringing out from in between the bits that are of their time - concepts that later events align with, you know you've found a great book. Today's history books will be so riddled with the mores of the 21st century that it's impossible to tell whether there's anything worth reading or not.
It’s worth reading the old histories, sometimes.
For example Mahan’s Life of Nelson explains why Nelson thought he was going to die when he set off for the Trafalgar campaign. This wasn’t a vision of the future or superstition - as some recent works would have it.
Due to the distribution of the fleets around the world, Nelson thought it likely that he might have to fight the combined French and Spanish fleets with one half their size. His plan was to divide them in 2 and defeat the first column completely. This would immobilise his ships (damage to sail and masts), so when the second column engaged, his fleet would be slowly pounded to bits. Nelson’s aim was, therefore, to trade the destruction of 3/4 of the enemy fleet with the loss of his own. Which would, as he wrote, make an invasion of Britain impossible for some years.
In the event, fleet dispositions made a more equal balance of forces possible
THE economist behind a report on currency ‘buried’ by the Scottish Government’s junior partner has warned independence could cost households a fifth of their income.
Professor Ronald MacDonald said Nicola Sturgeon’s plan to keep using the pound for years after a Yes vote would fail as the financial markets would bring forward a currency crisis on "day one" of independence.
He said that would force a newly independent Scotland to adopt its own currency far faster than the First Minister has suggested, with a devaluation of 20 to 30 per cent likely.
“These are big numbers and they will affect peoples’ wages and they will affect peoples’ mortgages,” he said.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
Our Island Story (note the correct title) is one of my favourite books. My wife gave me a first edition for our paper anniversary.
It’s historical value approaches zero.
For primary school children it gives a great initial overview of our pre 20th century history.
If Conservatives are going to stop the left winning the cultural war they have to ensure non leftist material is studied in schools as well as universities
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
For English schoolchildren presumably? Perhaps retitle it to 'My Southern Part of This Island Story' for the C21st.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
As for starters the vast majority of historical archives from the Middle Ages, Tudor and Stuart period etc we have were already around in 1900.
History is NOT science, built on the latest scientific discoveries, it is simply a narrative record of historical archives and events and interpretation of them at a more advanced level
Methodology. New analyses, new interpretations, all change.
I've been extremely cautious about *any* history book written before the 1930s ever since a friend at uni showed me Herbert Butterfield's 'The Whig Interpretation of History' [or whatever it was called).
Books written in the distant past are the most exciting imo. When you read truth ringing out from in between the bits that are of their time - concepts that later events align with, you know you've found a great book. Today's history books will be so riddled with the mores of the 21st century that it's impossible to tell whether there's anything worth reading or not.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
As for starters the vast majority of historical archives from the Middle Ages, Tudor and Stuart period etc we have were already around in 1900.
History is NOT science, built on the latest scientific discoveries, it is simply a narrative record of historical archives and events and interpretation of them at a more advanced level
Methodology. New analyses, new interpretations, all change.
I've been extremely cautious about *any* history book written before the 1930s ever since a friend at uni showed me Herbert Butterfield's 'The Whig Interpretation of History' [or whatever it was called).
Books written in the distant past are the most exciting imo. When you read truth ringing out from in between the bits that are of their time - concepts that later events align with, you know you've found a great book. Today's history books will be so riddled with the mores of the 21st century that it's impossible to tell whether there's anything worth reading or not.
I'd say that the best classic work of history that I've read was Sir Charles Oman's History of the Peninsular War. It was written over 28 years, from 1902-30, and effectively demolished the work of Sir William Napier which had been the standard text up till then. Napier had depicted the Spanish as priest-ridden, corrupt, incompetent, cowardly, vicious, as opposed to the British and French who fought like gentlemen.
Like other PBers who are not watching the cricket, I've been analysing the 21 remaining House races to try to find betting opportunities.
If all 21 end up with the current leaders the result is 214/221 D/R.
However if one introduces the possibility of surprises by identifying those six races that can be swung if 55% of outstanding votes go the other way from the current leader you end up with 6 Hung, 211D, 218R.
My conclusion is that the 1.2 on Betfair for a Republican House majority is good value. So is the 2.24 on the GOP getting 220-229 seats.
You may be statistically right but this is where UK residents can come a cropper. It's not about statistical probabilities, it's about the nitty gritty of the voting demographic in all of the remaining counties. I don't have that info and unless you do, you are introducing more risk.
We've already seen people on here come a cropper over Laxalt.
On the other hand, CNN think the Republicans are probably just about going to sneak a slim majority. I trust their judgement and they are certainly not calling this yet.
It was extremely painful to see people go against my call for Masto.
It felt like a personal insult.
What price was she when you made your 10k win call?
Laxalt was @12 so hardly an act of Nostradamus by me but for some reason Laxalt was being talked up as a near sure thing on the thread.
If you get the precise 10k right, that will be a genuine hats off.
Backing Laxalt at 1.35 with £100 on the eve of the count was probably one of the dumbest bets I've ever made.
I'd convinced myself the early results pointed to a Republican tidal wave.
Such bollocks.
Yes, the "mood music" was strong in that direction. The lesson is probably that mood music can be fine to act on but make sure it's the same tune as is genuinely playing in your own head.
I'm net up £42 on these midterms, as I told you, which is poor for the risk I took. And I also did a silly bet - GOP senate majority at 1.35. Fortunately not for very much.
But the Biggie - Trump Toast - is just close to a fact now, so all in all I'm happy.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
As for starters the vast majority of historical archives from the Middle Ages, Tudor and Stuart period etc we have were already around in 1900.
History is NOT science, built on the latest scientific discoveries, it is simply a narrative record of historical archives and events and interpretation of them at a more advanced level
History is not a dead subject, and people are still reinterpreting old data. Many old Tudor, Stuart etc records have probably never been that studied.
There was a very good book on submarines that upended a bunch of myths and nonesense about early submarines - by going back to primary sources. Even showed how misunderstandings by earlier historians had radiated through the literature.
And that is for stuff that happened in the last couple of centuries.
‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’
Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):
A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.
Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."
Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…
More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
Since 98% of sexual assault convictions are committed by people with penises, do you think that might be a place to start?
It may well put Trans-women at risk.
So Trans women are at risk from men?
Yes. Does that surprise you?
Imagine being a trans-woman in a male prison, or psychiatric facility.
I notice you deleted the "other" as in "other men".
So the solution is to put biological women at risk from Trans Women?
Pop quiz. What are the relative sexual assault offending rates between women, men and Trans women? One is very different from the other two. Two cluster closely.
FFS when will you ever drop your utter obsession with this topic? You are the most tedious person on this forum.
Most of this country couldn't give a flying fuck how people wish to assign their gender.
You have disappeared down the kind of Trumpian rabbit hole that leads into oblivion. A bewildered and sad old person lost in a wilderness of their own creation.
You don't want it discussed.
Where have I heard that before?
So why do civil liberties violations and calls for further clampdowns follow trans activism wherever it goes?
The short answer is that the trans movement threatens civil liberties because the movement is not what it claims to be and thus is threatened by free and open enquiry.
I hope she returns soon - great poster - but she didn't leave because of insufficient discussion on here of transgender issues. She wrote extensively on this topic and tended to get tons of support. Too much support imo. Fwiw I think it is an interesting and important issue (although I don't agree with you or her about it).
As ever the people going on and on* about a subject while simultaneously moaning about being shut down are numerous. It's the modern way.
*and on
Indeed.
Just finished a suite of Stones progs btw. 4 x "My Life as a Stone", one each for Charlie, Mick, Keith and Ronnie Wood. All very enjoyable, esp one bit where Mick, obviously a touch pissed off with "Keith is authentic, he's the blues" type received wisdom, stresses how most of the soppy ballads were Keith not him. "I mean, even Angie was him," he smirks.
Also interesting how Bill Wyman was airbrushed out. Occasionally in the clips - since he had to be - but not referenced a single time in any of the progs, not by the voice over (Sienna Miller) and neither in any of the interviews.
Yep, I enjoyed them a lot.
I think Keith is most interesting (to me, a layman) when talking about the technicalities of the music, those were the bits in his autobiography I enjoyed the most. It struck a slightly jarring note when he talked about grateful impoverished blues guys thanking the Stones for reviving the music and their finances, undoubtedly true but nevertheless.. he's still in my top ten greatest living Englishmen though. Charlie was, as ever, a marvel.
I do wonder if Wyman would have had much interesting to say, even without the cancellation (an authentic one!). He's not entirely cancelled as I've seen him popping up in pics of oldster music events & parties, with the curious squirrel red hair and tinted specs favoured by old rockers. Fwiw he was my mum's favourite Stone.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
Well you don't have to look far. Just read his Wikipedia page and there are lots of references of others calling him out on his later works. Some very strongly. You can't pick and choose your internet sources.
Professor Jeremy Black formerly of Exeter University and now at the US Foreign Policy Institute regards Lal as a good scholar only considered rightwing by Indian Muslim Marxist historians, which says something
There you go again, selectively quoting from the internet. How about all the others historians there calling him out in very strong language for him publishing nonsense. Most with remarkable non Muslim sounding names, just to put a lie to the quote from Black.
You have to stop posting selectively from the internet. It must be obvious to you that you are being partial.
You are also partial, in the way you have just completely dismissed Professor Jeremy Black, one of the most respected British historians around. So don't pretend you don't also have an ideological agenda against Conservative or non Liberal left cultural views.
I note you also don't name any non Indian left historians who disagree with Black
What utter bollocks. I don't have an ideological view at all because I don't know anything about the subject whatsoever so I don't have a view at all. It was just so easy to see you were posting selectively. I have no idea what the politics of these people are.
I haven't dismissed Black cos I know nothing about him, I'm just pointing out there are plenty of opposite views that you choose to ignore. I don't. I can't remember all the names, but they are there for you to read yourself. I believe one was called Jackson.
Honestly this is embarrassing. You just assume people disagreeing with you are doing so for political reasons. I'm not. I'm just pointing out you source stuff that is disreputable. Just cos it is on the internet does not make it correct.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
There's simply no way that Indian armies could have numbered in the hundreds of thousands, even millions, in Alexander's time. No state had the means to field armies of that size, and any attempt to do so would have resulted in their starving to death. When ancient historians say "a million soldiers", they mean "a very big number". You see the same with Herodotus or the Old Testament.
As for the big drop in Indian population after 1300, the most obvious explanation for it is bubonic plague.
I must admit my reaction to HYUFD frothing about pyramids was to reflect that you only need 4 skulls to make a pyramid. Pyramids of skulls? Meh.
Four skulls would mark you out as a bit of a bleeding-hearted liberal, back then.
Conquerors were generally quite proud of their pyramids of heads/skulls. When Timur took Damascus, he commanded each soldier to bring him back two heads. So, once they ran out of Damascenes, they started beheading their prisoners.
Tends to get overlooked in this part of the world when reflecting on conquerors, not sure why.
Though I like the the hard turn in the wikipedia summary.
An undefeated commander, he is widely regarded as one of the greatest military leaders and tacticians in history, as well as one of the most brutal.[9][10][11] Timur is also considered a great patron of art and architecture as he interacted with intellectuals such as Ibn Khaldun, Hafez, and Hafiz-i Abru and his reign introduced the Timurid Renaissance
And I bet that he made sure that he addressed people using their preferred pronouns too.
THE economist behind a report on currency ‘buried’ by the Scottish Government’s junior partner has warned independence could cost households a fifth of their income.
Professor Ronald MacDonald said Nicola Sturgeon’s plan to keep using the pound for years after a Yes vote would fail as the financial markets would bring forward a currency crisis on "day one" of independence.
He said that would force a newly independent Scotland to adopt its own currency far faster than the First Minister has suggested, with a devaluation of 20 to 30 per cent likely.
“These are big numbers and they will affect peoples’ wages and they will affect peoples’ mortgages,” he said.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
As for starters the vast majority of historical archives from the Middle Ages, Tudor and Stuart period etc we have were already around in 1900.
History is NOT science, built on the latest scientific discoveries, it is simply a narrative record of historical archives and events and interpretation of them at a more advanced level
Methodology. New analyses, new interpretations, all change.
I've been extremely cautious about *any* history book written before the 1930s ever since a friend at uni showed me Herbert Butterfield's 'The Whig Interpretation of History' [or whatever it was called).
Our Island Story is a largely narrative account free of any political interpretation agenda on the whole.
The fact it is not filled with modern Woke filled interpretations of how awful and shameful our history was makes it all the better
What do you think about the narrative on, say, Poseidon and Albion? Or Brutus and the giants? Or how about Gregory and the Angles or Alfred and the cakes?
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
As for starters the vast majority of historical archives from the Middle Ages, Tudor and Stuart period etc we have were already around in 1900.
History is NOT science, built on the latest scientific discoveries, it is simply a narrative record of historical archives and events and interpretation of them at a more advanced level
Methodology. New analyses, new interpretations, all change.
I've been extremely cautious about *any* history book written before the 1930s ever since a friend at uni showed me Herbert Butterfield's 'The Whig Interpretation of History' [or whatever it was called).
I'd say there's a lot of good history, written pre-1930. But, the author may well have lacked access to the primary sources that a modern historian might have.
There's simply a mass of archival material out there that has often never, or rarely, been read. I can testify to that, after studying the papers of General Clinton at Manchester University. I could easily be the first person to have read it in half a century.
And of course, advances in archaeology can completely transform the received wisdom.
Modern history books can be just as tendentious, however, as past history works. A good example is Robert Waterfield's account of the Anabasis. A riveting read until he suddenly lurches into an irrelevant chapter about Orientalism.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
Well you don't have to look far. Just read his Wikipedia page and there are lots of references of others calling him out on his later works. Some very strongly. You can't pick and choose your internet sources.
Professor Jeremy Black formerly of Exeter University and now at the US Foreign Policy Institute regards Lal as a good scholar only considered rightwing by Indian Muslim Marxist historians, which says something
There you go again, selectively quoting from the internet. How about all the others historians there calling him out in very strong language for him publishing nonsense. Most with remarkable non Muslim sounding names, just to put a lie to the quote from Black.
You have to stop posting selectively from the internet. It must be obvious to you that you are being partial.
You are also partial, in the way you have just completely dismissed Professor Jeremy Black, one of the most respected British historians around. So don't pretend you don't also have an ideological agenda against Conservative or non Liberal left cultural views.
I note you also don't name any non Indian left historians who disagree with Black
What utter bollocks. I don't have an ideological view at all because I don't know anything about the subject whatsoever so I don't have a view at all. It was just so easy to see you were posting selectively. I have no idea what the politics of these people are.
I haven't dismissed Black cos I know nothing about him, I'm just pointing out there are plenty of opposite views that you choose to ignore. I don't. I can't remember all the names, but they are there for you to read yourself. I believe one was called Jackson.
Honestly this is embarrassing. You just assume people disagreeing with you are doing so for political reasons. I'm not. I'm just pointing out you source stuff that is disreputable. Just cos it is on the internet does not make it correct.
Of course you do, you are are an ideological liberal on here with your own agenda just as much as I am an ideological Conservative. Hence you dismiss Black
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
Not true either.
You might want to check with the ONS and see what in real GBP the level of GDP was pre-pandemic and what it is today.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
Mathematics would be fine though
Would it? I'd imagine school mathematics would have changed dramatically in the past hundred-odd years, both with content and applications.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
Not true either.
You might want to check with the ONS and see what in real GBP the level of GDP was pre-pandemic and what it is today.
This is clearly going to be a popular narrative, but it places an awful lot of weight on relatively small differences in GDP growth (at least within Europe) at a time when you'd expect economies to be impacted differently by #Covid, the #energy crisis etc, regardless of #Brexit.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
Not true either.
You might want to check with the ONS and see what in real GBP the level of GDP was pre-pandemic and what it is today.
Quite right.
However; nobody thought Brexit was a good thing in the short term, so it's sort of pointless chasing about.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
Not true either.
You might want to check with the ONS and see what in real GBP the level of GDP was pre-pandemic and what it is today.
This is clearly going to be a popular narrative, but it places an awful lot of weight on relatively small differences in GDP growth (at least within Europe) at a time when you'd expect economies to be impacted differently by #Covid, the #energy crisis etc, regardless of #Brexit.
It places even more weight in currency variations too in such a small timescale.
The UK has grown beyond where it was pre-pandemic (it did last year) on real measures according to the ONS. The negative OECD measure is purely because pound to dollar has fallen over the pandemic, its got nothing to do with Brexit or the UK having had negative growth.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
Mathematics would be fine though
Would it? I'd imagine school mathematics would have changed dramatically in the past hundred-odd years, both with content and applications.
In the UK at least, primary maths deals with measurements and money. Kids nowadays learn metric, not imperial, and pounds, shillings and pence are not vital knowledge.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
Mathematics would be fine though
Would it? I'd imagine school mathematics would have changed dramatically in the past hundred-odd years, both with content and applications.
It has changed and changed quite astonishingly, but the proofs of yesterday are still proofs today. There are of course some mistakes that come to light, but not very many. Euclid is still damned good!
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
Well you don't have to look far. Just read his Wikipedia page and there are lots of references of others calling him out on his later works. Some very strongly. You can't pick and choose your internet sources.
Professor Jeremy Black formerly of Exeter University and now at the US Foreign Policy Institute regards Lal as a good scholar only considered rightwing by Indian Muslim Marxist historians, which says something
There you go again, selectively quoting from the internet. How about all the others historians there calling him out in very strong language for him publishing nonsense. Most with remarkable non Muslim sounding names, just to put a lie to the quote from Black.
You have to stop posting selectively from the internet. It must be obvious to you that you are being partial.
You are also partial, in the way you have just completely dismissed Professor Jeremy Black, one of the most respected British historians around. So don't pretend you don't also have an ideological agenda against Conservative or non Liberal left cultural views.
I note you also don't name any non Indian left historians who disagree with Black
What utter bollocks. I don't have an ideological view at all because I don't know anything about the subject whatsoever so I don't have a view at all. It was just so easy to see you were posting selectively. I have no idea what the politics of these people are.
I haven't dismissed Black cos I know nothing about him, I'm just pointing out there are plenty of opposite views that you choose to ignore. I don't. I can't remember all the names, but they are there for you to read yourself. I believe one was called Jackson.
Honestly this is embarrassing. You just assume people disagreeing with you are doing so for political reasons. I'm not. I'm just pointing out you source stuff that is disreputable. Just cos it is on the internet does not make it correct.
Of course you do, you are are an ideological liberal on here with your own agenda just as much as I am an ideological Conservative. Hence you dismiss Black
I don't know who Black is. I don't know anything about the subject being discussed so I can't have a view can I.
I was simply calling you out on subjectively quoting from the internet which any idiot could see you were doing.
I can't have an opinion on something I know nothing about.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’
Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):
A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.
Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."
Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…
More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
Since 98% of sexual assault convictions are committed by people with penises, do you think that might be a place to start?
It may well put Trans-women at risk.
So Trans women are at risk from men?
Yes. Does that surprise you?
Imagine being a trans-woman in a male prison, or psychiatric facility.
I notice you deleted the "other" as in "other men".
So the solution is to put biological women at risk from Trans Women?
Pop quiz. What are the relative sexual assault offending rates between women, men and Trans women? One is very different from the other two. Two cluster closely.
FFS when will you ever drop your utter obsession with this topic? You are the most tedious person on this forum.
Most of this country couldn't give a flying fuck how people wish to assign their gender.
You have disappeared down the kind of Trumpian rabbit hole that leads into oblivion. A bewildered and sad old person lost in a wilderness of their own creation.
You don't want it discussed.
Where have I heard that before?
So why do civil liberties violations and calls for further clampdowns follow trans activism wherever it goes?
The short answer is that the trans movement threatens civil liberties because the movement is not what it claims to be and thus is threatened by free and open enquiry.
I hope she returns soon - great poster - but she didn't leave because of insufficient discussion on here of transgender issues. She wrote extensively on this topic and tended to get tons of support. Too much support imo. Fwiw I think it is an interesting and important issue (although I don't agree with you or her about it).
As ever the people going on and on* about a subject while simultaneously moaning about being shut down are numerous. It's the modern way.
*and on
Indeed.
Just finished a suite of Stones progs btw. 4 x "My Life as a Stone", one each for Charlie, Mick, Keith and Ronnie Wood. All very enjoyable, esp one bit where Mick, obviously a touch pissed off with "Keith is authentic, he's the blues" type received wisdom, stresses how most of the soppy ballads were Keith not him. "I mean, even Angie was him," he smirks.
Also interesting how Bill Wyman was airbrushed out. Occasionally in the clips - since he had to be - but not referenced a single time in any of the progs, not by the voice over (Sienna Miller) and neither in any of the interviews.
Yep, I enjoyed them a lot.
I think Keith is most interesting (to me, a layman) when talking about the technicalities of the music, those were the bits in his autobiography I enjoyed the most. It struck a slightly jarring note when he talked about grateful impoverished blues guys thanking the Stones for reviving the music and their finances, undoubtedly true but nevertheless.. he's still in my top ten greatest living Englishmen though. Charlie was, as ever, a marvel.
I do wonder if Wyman would have had much interesting to say, even without the cancellation (an authentic one!). He's not entirely cancelled as I've seen him popping up in pics of oldster music events & parties, with the curious squirrel red hair and tinted specs favoured by old rockers. Fwiw he was my mum's favourite Stone.
They're endlessly fascinating. I don't have my "crush" anymore - being 62 now - but I can still happily watch or read reams about them.
No great sense of the end either. I think Mick is going to make 100. Probably not Keith though - despite those bizarrely perfect pearly choppers.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
As for starters the vast majority of historical archives from the Middle Ages, Tudor and Stuart period etc we have were already around in 1900.
History is NOT science, built on the latest scientific discoveries, it is simply a narrative record of historical archives and events and interpretation of them at a more advanced level
Methodology. New analyses, new interpretations, all change.
I've been extremely cautious about *any* history book written before the 1930s ever since a friend at uni showed me Herbert Butterfield's 'The Whig Interpretation of History' [or whatever it was called).
Our Island Story is a largely narrative account free of any political interpretation agenda on the whole.
The fact it is not filled with modern Woke filled interpretations of how awful and shameful our history was makes it all the better
Anyone who thinks any narrative account is free from interpretation or agenda (conscious or otherwise) is either naive or a fool.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
Not true either.
You might want to check with the ONS and see what in real GBP the level of GDP was pre-pandemic and what it is today.
This is clearly going to be a popular narrative, but it places an awful lot of weight on relatively small differences in GDP growth (at least within Europe) at a time when you'd expect economies to be impacted differently by #Covid, the #energy crisis etc, regardless of #Brexit.
It places even more weight in currency variations too in such a small timescale.
The UK has grown beyond where it was pre-pandemic (it did last year) on real measures according to the ONS. The negative OECD measure is purely because pound to dollar has fallen over the pandemic, its got nothing to do with Brexit or the UK having had negative growth.
The ONS tends, in any case, to revise GDP growth upwards over time. Hence, the "triple dip recession" of 2012, which so excited tim, turned out never to have happened. The economy grew by 1.5% that year.
nico679 siad: "Bizarely in Colorado 3 the Democrat governor Polis is ahead of the Rep but downballot the hideous Boebert leads Frisch . How you can split ticket between the two given they’re at polar opposites is hard to fathom ."
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
Not true either.
You might want to check with the ONS and see what in real GBP the level of GDP was pre-pandemic and what it is today.
This is clearly going to be a popular narrative, but it places an awful lot of weight on relatively small differences in GDP growth (at least within Europe) at a time when you'd expect economies to be impacted differently by #Covid, the #energy crisis etc, regardless of #Brexit.
Compared to most of the other G7 economies, the UK is much more services-based, and was affected more by the pandemic than manufacturing-based economies, which continued to operate during the Covid restrictions.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
Not true either.
You might want to check with the ONS and see what in real GBP the level of GDP was pre-pandemic and what it is today.
This is clearly going to be a popular narrative, but it places an awful lot of weight on relatively small differences in GDP growth (at least within Europe) at a time when you'd expect economies to be impacted differently by #Covid, the #energy crisis etc, regardless of #Brexit.
It places even more weight in currency variations too in such a small timescale.
The UK has grown beyond where it was pre-pandemic (it did last year) on real measures according to the ONS. The negative OECD measure is purely because pound to dollar has fallen over the pandemic, its got nothing to do with Brexit or the UK having had negative growth.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
Not true either.
You might want to check with the ONS and see what in real GBP the level of GDP was pre-pandemic and what it is today.
This is clearly going to be a popular narrative, but it places an awful lot of weight on relatively small differences in GDP growth (at least within Europe) at a time when you'd expect economies to be impacted differently by #Covid, the #energy crisis etc, regardless of #Brexit.
It places even more weight in currency variations too in such a small timescale.
The UK has grown beyond where it was pre-pandemic (it did last year) on real measures according to the ONS. The negative OECD measure is purely because pound to dollar has fallen over the pandemic, its got nothing to do with Brexit or the UK having had negative growth.
But why did the pound to dollar fall?
Probably for the same reason the euro to dollar fell.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
Not true either.
You might want to check with the ONS and see what in real GBP the level of GDP was pre-pandemic and what it is today.
This is clearly going to be a popular narrative, but it places an awful lot of weight on relatively small differences in GDP growth (at least within Europe) at a time when you'd expect economies to be impacted differently by #Covid, the #energy crisis etc, regardless of #Brexit.
Compared to most of the other G7 economies, the UK is much more services-based, and was affected more by the pandemic than manufacturing-based economies, which continued to operate during the Covid restrictions.
You'd have hoped that being service based we'd have managed the work-from-home thing better. It turns out not though. The UK does have a substantial laziness problem.
‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’
Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):
A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.
Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."
Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…
More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
Since 98% of sexual assault convictions are committed by people with penises, do you think that might be a place to start?
It may well put Trans-women at risk.
So Trans women are at risk from men?
Yes. Does that surprise you?
Imagine being a trans-woman in a male prison, or psychiatric facility.
I notice you deleted the "other" as in "other men".
So the solution is to put biological women at risk from Trans Women?
Pop quiz. What are the relative sexual assault offending rates between women, men and Trans women? One is very different from the other two. Two cluster closely.
FFS when will you ever drop your utter obsession with this topic? You are the most tedious person on this forum.
Most of this country couldn't give a flying fuck how people wish to assign their gender.
You have disappeared down the kind of Trumpian rabbit hole that leads into oblivion. A bewildered and sad old person lost in a wilderness of their own creation.
You don't want it discussed.
Where have I heard that before?
So why do civil liberties violations and calls for further clampdowns follow trans activism wherever it goes?
The short answer is that the trans movement threatens civil liberties because the movement is not what it claims to be and thus is threatened by free and open enquiry.
I hope she returns soon - great poster - but she didn't leave because of insufficient discussion on here of transgender issues. She wrote extensively on this topic and tended to get tons of support. Too much support imo. Fwiw I think it is an interesting and important issue (although I don't agree with you or her about it).
As ever the people going on and on* about a subject while simultaneously moaning about being shut down are numerous. It's the modern way.
*and on
Indeed.
Just finished a suite of Stones progs btw. 4 x "My Life as a Stone", one each for Charlie, Mick, Keith and Ronnie Wood. All very enjoyable, esp one bit where Mick, obviously a touch pissed off with "Keith is authentic, he's the blues" type received wisdom, stresses how most of the soppy ballads were Keith not him. "I mean, even Angie was him," he smirks.
Also interesting how Bill Wyman was airbrushed out. Occasionally in the clips - since he had to be - but not referenced a single time in any of the progs, not by the voice over (Sienna Miller) and neither in any of the interviews.
Did you ever see the video they put out at the time of the Steel Wheels tour or thereabouts? I think it was called 25x5 The Continuing Adventures of the Rolling Stones. I had a mate at the time who was as Stones obsessed as I was and I think we committed most of it to memory, most notably the interviews with Keef who was and remains an absolute legend. The utter decency of Charlie Watts also came through. They were the coolest band of all time, got to see them at last over the summer, my God they were good, especially Jagger. The Beatles were the better band though. To have them both in the charts at the same time... The Boomers really were the luckiest generation!
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
Not true either.
You might want to check with the ONS and see what in real GBP the level of GDP was pre-pandemic and what it is today.
This is clearly going to be a popular narrative, but it places an awful lot of weight on relatively small differences in GDP growth (at least within Europe) at a time when you'd expect economies to be impacted differently by #Covid, the #energy crisis etc, regardless of #Brexit.
Compared to most of the other G7 economies, the UK is much more services-based, and was affected more by the pandemic than manufacturing-based economies, which continued to operate during the Covid restrictions.
You'd have hoped that being service based we'd have managed the work-from-home thing better. It turns out not though. The UK does have a substantial laziness problem.
I'd argue against your last point... But I can't be arsed.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
Not true either.
You might want to check with the ONS and see what in real GBP the level of GDP was pre-pandemic and what it is today.
This is clearly going to be a popular narrative, but it places an awful lot of weight on relatively small differences in GDP growth (at least within Europe) at a time when you'd expect economies to be impacted differently by #Covid, the #energy crisis etc, regardless of #Brexit.
It places even more weight in currency variations too in such a small timescale.
The UK has grown beyond where it was pre-pandemic (it did last year) on real measures according to the ONS. The negative OECD measure is purely because pound to dollar has fallen over the pandemic, its got nothing to do with Brexit or the UK having had negative growth.
But why did the pound to dollar fall?
Probably for the same reason the euro to dollar fell.
In Munich, Seattle Seahawks kicked off against Tampa Bay Buccaneers in first National Football League regular season game ever played in Germany,
Bucs three and out, 'Hawks now have the ball.
How is it that the Germans don't have some sort of a sporting game? The French have boules. And we have Rugby, Football, Cricket, Golf, Hurling, Croquet, Rollerball..
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
As for starters the vast majority of historical archives from the Middle Ages, Tudor and Stuart period etc we have were already around in 1900.
History is NOT science, built on the latest scientific discoveries, it is simply a narrative record of historical archives and events and interpretation of them at a more advanced level
History is not a dead subject, and people are still reinterpreting old data. Many old Tudor, Stuart etc records have probably never been that studied.
There was a very good book on submarines that upended a bunch of myths and nonesense about early submarines - by going back to primary sources. Even showed how misunderstandings by earlier historians had radiated through the literature.
And that is for stuff that happened in the last couple of centuries.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
Not true either.
You might want to check with the ONS and see what in real GBP the level of GDP was pre-pandemic and what it is today.
This is clearly going to be a popular narrative, but it places an awful lot of weight on relatively small differences in GDP growth (at least within Europe) at a time when you'd expect economies to be impacted differently by #Covid, the #energy crisis etc, regardless of #Brexit.
It places even more weight in currency variations too in such a small timescale.
The UK has grown beyond where it was pre-pandemic (it did last year) on real measures according to the ONS. The negative OECD measure is purely because pound to dollar has fallen over the pandemic, its got nothing to do with Brexit or the UK having had negative growth.
No GDP is below its pre-Covid level according to the ONS real GDP data (see link). The data in the chart are real GDP in national currency I think, exchange rates don't come into it. The only thing I don't understand is what the data for Japan refer to as they've not published their Q3 data yet, they come out tomorrow.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
Mathematics would be fine though
Would it? I'd imagine school mathematics would have changed dramatically in the past hundred-odd years, both with content and applications.
In the UK at least, primary maths deals with measurements and money. Kids nowadays learn metric, not imperial, and pounds, shillings and pence are not vital knowledge.
Well, there you are. That is absolutely wokist maths. HYUFD will be very upset.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
As for starters the vast majority of historical archives from the Middle Ages, Tudor and Stuart period etc we have were already around in 1900.
History is NOT science, built on the latest scientific discoveries, it is simply a narrative record of historical archives and events and interpretation of them at a more advanced level
Methodology. New analyses, new interpretations, all change.
I've been extremely cautious about *any* history book written before the 1930s ever since a friend at uni showed me Herbert Butterfield's 'The Whig Interpretation of History' [or whatever it was called).
I'd say there's a lot of good history, written pre-1930. But, the author may well have lacked access to the primary sources that a modern historian might have.
There's simply a mass of archival material out there that has often never, or rarely, been read. I can testify to that, after studying the papers of General Clinton at Manchester University. I could easily be the first person to have read it in half a century.
And of course, advances in archaeology can completely transform the received wisdom.
Modern history books can be just as tendentious, however, as past history works. A good example is Robert Waterfield's account of the Anabasis. A riveting read until he suddenly lurches into an irrelevant chapter about Orientalism.
Of course. All quite so.
Though (not having read it) I wonder if the orientalism chapter was addressing C19 and C20 assumptions about nice democratic Hellenes vs tyrannic despotic Orientals? Which would at least have some relevance?
In Munich, Seattle Seahawks kicked off against Tampa Bay Buccaneers in first National Football League regular season game ever played in Germany,
Bucs three and out, 'Hawks now have the ball.
How is it that the Germans don't have some sort of a sporting game? The French have boules. And we have Rugby, Football, Cricket, Golf, Hurling, Croquet, Rollerball..
In Munich, Seattle Seahawks kicked off against Tampa Bay Buccaneers in first National Football League regular season game ever played in Germany,
Bucs three and out, 'Hawks now have the ball.
How is it that the Germans don't have some sort of a sporting game? The French have boules. And we have Rugby, Football, Cricket, Golf, Hurling, Croquet, Rollerball..
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
Not true either.
You might want to check with the ONS and see what in real GBP the level of GDP was pre-pandemic and what it is today.
This is clearly going to be a popular narrative, but it places an awful lot of weight on relatively small differences in GDP growth (at least within Europe) at a time when you'd expect economies to be impacted differently by #Covid, the #energy crisis etc, regardless of #Brexit.
It places even more weight in currency variations too in such a small timescale.
The UK has grown beyond where it was pre-pandemic (it did last year) on real measures according to the ONS. The negative OECD measure is purely because pound to dollar has fallen over the pandemic, its got nothing to do with Brexit or the UK having had negative growth.
But why did the pound to dollar fall?
Probably for the same reason the euro to dollar fell.
Aggressive US interest rate rises from the Fed.
The aggressive interest rates are likely to mean a more brutal, but shorter, curbing of inflation and economic activity in the US over the next year. They will then be able to take the brakes off for a year of economic growth leading up to the next presidential election. Bet accordingly.
In Munich, Seattle Seahawks kicked off against Tampa Bay Buccaneers in first National Football League regular season game ever played in Germany,
Bucs three and out, 'Hawks now have the ball.
How is it that the Germans don't have some sort of a sporting game? The French have boules. And we have Rugby, Football, Cricket, Golf, Hurling, Croquet, Rollerball..
In Munich, Seattle Seahawks kicked off against Tampa Bay Buccaneers in first National Football League regular season game ever played in Germany,
Bucs three and out, 'Hawks now have the ball.
How is it that the Germans don't have some sort of a sporting game? The French have boules. And we have Rugby, Football, Cricket, Golf, Hurling, Croquet, Rollerball..
In Munich, Seattle Seahawks kicked off against Tampa Bay Buccaneers in first National Football League regular season game ever played in Germany,
Bucs three and out, 'Hawks now have the ball.
How is it that the Germans don't have some sort of a sporting game? The French have boules. And we have Rugby, Football, Cricket, Golf, Hurling, Croquet, Rollerball..
Was it Tank polo they were working towards?
Or better still Zeppelin polo!
I'm surprised you don't mention gymnastics - isn't it a primordially German sport, at least in the modern era? There's even a German gym somewhere in London near KX IIRC. Turnverein and all that. Not entirely unrelated to German nationalism and fitness for the struggle? Mind, Kriegsspiel doesn't count, as it is a board game (at least in principle).
In Munich, Seattle Seahawks kicked off against Tampa Bay Buccaneers in first National Football League regular season game ever played in Germany,
Bucs three and out, 'Hawks now have the ball.
How is it that the Germans don't have some sort of a sporting game? The French have boules. And we have Rugby, Football, Cricket, Golf, Hurling, Croquet, Rollerball..
Like other PBers who are not watching the cricket, I've been analysing the 21 remaining House races to try to find betting opportunities.
If all 21 end up with the current leaders the result is 214/221 D/R.
However if one introduces the possibility of surprises by identifying those six races that can be swung if 55% of outstanding votes go the other way from the current leader you end up with 6 Hung, 211D, 218R.
My conclusion is that the 1.2 on Betfair for a Republican House majority is good value. So is the 2.24 on the GOP getting 220-229 seats.
You may be statistically right but this is where UK residents can come a cropper. It's not about statistical probabilities, it's about the nitty gritty of the voting demographic in all of the remaining counties. I don't have that info and unless you do, you are introducing more risk.
We've already seen people on here come a cropper over Laxalt.
On the other hand, CNN think the Republicans are probably just about going to sneak a slim majority. I trust their judgement and they are certainly not calling this yet.
It was extremely painful to see people go against my call for Masto.
It felt like a personal insult.
What price was she when you made your 10k win call?
Laxalt was @12 so hardly an act of Nostradamus by me but for some reason Laxalt was being talked up as a near sure thing on the thread.
If you get the precise 10k right, that will be a genuine hats off.
Backing Laxalt at 1.35 with £100 on the eve of the count was probably one of the dumbest bets I've ever made.
I'd convinced myself the early results pointed to a Republican tidal wave.
Such bollocks.
In hindsight, Ralston's call of CCM for the Senate and Lombardo as Governor was spot on, although he definitely wavered when the rural tallies were coming in.
The problem I think now with betting on the early results is how much those are now influenced by Florida. That happened in 2020 as well.
‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’
Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):
A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.
Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."
Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…
More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
Since 98% of sexual assault convictions are committed by people with penises, do you think that might be a place to start?
It may well put Trans-women at risk.
So Trans women are at risk from men?
Yes. Does that surprise you?
Imagine being a trans-woman in a male prison, or psychiatric facility.
I notice you deleted the "other" as in "other men".
So the solution is to put biological women at risk from Trans Women?
Pop quiz. What are the relative sexual assault offending rates between women, men and Trans women? One is very different from the other two. Two cluster closely.
FFS when will you ever drop your utter obsession with this topic? You are the most tedious person on this forum.
Most of this country couldn't give a flying fuck how people wish to assign their gender.
You have disappeared down the kind of Trumpian rabbit hole that leads into oblivion. A bewildered and sad old person lost in a wilderness of their own creation.
You don't want it discussed.
Where have I heard that before?
So why do civil liberties violations and calls for further clampdowns follow trans activism wherever it goes?
The short answer is that the trans movement threatens civil liberties because the movement is not what it claims to be and thus is threatened by free and open enquiry.
I hope she returns soon - great poster - but she didn't leave because of insufficient discussion on here of transgender issues. She wrote extensively on this topic and tended to get tons of support. Too much support imo. Fwiw I think it is an interesting and important issue (although I don't agree with you or her about it).
As ever the people going on and on* about a subject while simultaneously moaning about being shut down are numerous. It's the modern way.
*and on
Indeed.
Just finished a suite of Stones progs btw. 4 x "My Life as a Stone", one each for Charlie, Mick, Keith and Ronnie Wood. All very enjoyable, esp one bit where Mick, obviously a touch pissed off with "Keith is authentic, he's the blues" type received wisdom, stresses how most of the soppy ballads were Keith not him. "I mean, even Angie was him," he smirks.
Also interesting how Bill Wyman was airbrushed out. Occasionally in the clips - since he had to be - but not referenced a single time in any of the progs, not by the voice over (Sienna Miller) and neither in any of the interviews.
Did you ever see the video they put out at the time of the Steel Wheels tour or thereabouts? I think it was called 25x5 The Continuing Adventures of the Rolling Stones. I had a mate at the time who was as Stones obsessed as I was and I think we committed most of it to memory, most notably the interviews with Keef who was and remains an absolute legend. The utter decency of Charlie Watts also came through. They were the coolest band of all time, got to see them at last over the summer, my God they were good, especially Jagger. The Beatles were the better band though. To have them both in the charts at the same time... The Boomers really were the luckiest generation!
You've managed to find a Stones doc there that I don't think I've seen - quite an achievement!
The Beatles were better? Hmm, sometimes I think so and sometimes I don't. Right now, right here as we speak, I don't.
But soon I'll be sinking into that Disney+ "Get Back" film - all 6 hours of it - and straight after that I bet I'll be, "yeah, Beatles, best ever band".
‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’
Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):
A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.
Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."
Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…
More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
Since 98% of sexual assault convictions are committed by people with penises, do you think that might be a place to start?
It may well put Trans-women at risk.
So Trans women are at risk from men?
Yes. Does that surprise you?
Imagine being a trans-woman in a male prison, or psychiatric facility.
I notice you deleted the "other" as in "other men".
So the solution is to put biological women at risk from Trans Women?
Pop quiz. What are the relative sexual assault offending rates between women, men and Trans women? One is very different from the other two. Two cluster closely.
FFS when will you ever drop your utter obsession with this topic? You are the most tedious person on this forum.
Most of this country couldn't give a flying fuck how people wish to assign their gender.
You have disappeared down the kind of Trumpian rabbit hole that leads into oblivion. A bewildered and sad old person lost in a wilderness of their own creation.
Garbage , most people care plenty , it is halfwits like you that are out of step. There should be no bollox in women only areas. Some halfwit claiming to be a woman does not make them one.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
Well you don't have to look far. Just read his Wikipedia page and there are lots of references of others calling him out on his later works. Some very strongly. You can't pick and choose your internet sources.
Professor Jeremy Black formerly of Exeter University and now at the US Foreign Policy Institute regards Lal as a good scholar only considered rightwing by Indian Muslim Marxist historians, which says something
There you go again, selectively quoting from the internet. How about all the others historians there calling him out in very strong language for him publishing nonsense. Most with remarkable non Muslim sounding names, just to put a lie to the quote from Black.
You have to stop posting selectively from the internet. It must be obvious to you that you are being partial.
You are also partial, in the way you have just completely dismissed Professor Jeremy Black, one of the most respected British historians around. So don't pretend you don't also have an ideological agenda against Conservative or non Liberal left cultural views.
I note you also don't name any non Indian left historians who disagree with Black
What utter bollocks. I don't have an ideological view at all because I don't know anything about the subject whatsoever so I don't have a view at all. It was just so easy to see you were posting selectively. I have no idea what the politics of these people are.
I haven't dismissed Black cos I know nothing about him, I'm just pointing out there are plenty of opposite views that you choose to ignore. I don't. I can't remember all the names, but they are there for you to read yourself. I believe one was called Jackson.
Honestly this is embarrassing. You just assume people disagreeing with you are doing so for political reasons. I'm not. I'm just pointing out you source stuff that is disreputable. Just cos it is on the internet does not make it correct.
Of course you do, you are are an ideological liberal on here with your own agenda just as much as I am an ideological Conservative. Hence you dismiss Black
I don't know who Black is. I don't know anything about the subject being discussed so I can't have a view can I.
I was simply calling you out on subjectively quoting from the internet which any idiot could see you were doing.
I can't have an opinion on something I know nothing about.
Hats off ... denying yourself one of life's guilty pleasures here.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’
Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):
A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.
Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."
Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…
More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
Since 98% of sexual assault convictions are committed by people with penises, do you think that might be a place to start?
It may well put Trans-women at risk.
So Trans women are at risk from men?
Yes. Does that surprise you?
Imagine being a trans-woman in a male prison, or psychiatric facility.
I notice you deleted the "other" as in "other men".
So the solution is to put biological women at risk from Trans Women?
Pop quiz. What are the relative sexual assault offending rates between women, men and Trans women? One is very different from the other two. Two cluster closely.
FFS when will you ever drop your utter obsession with this topic? You are the most tedious person on this forum.
Most of this country couldn't give a flying fuck how people wish to assign their gender.
You have disappeared down the kind of Trumpian rabbit hole that leads into oblivion. A bewildered and sad old person lost in a wilderness of their own creation.
You don't want it discussed.
Where have I heard that before?
So why do civil liberties violations and calls for further clampdowns follow trans activism wherever it goes?
The short answer is that the trans movement threatens civil liberties because the movement is not what it claims to be and thus is threatened by free and open enquiry.
These Johnny come lately halfwits who do not like to hear reality. It is a big topic in Scotland for sure with the swivel eyed government trying to trash women's rights for a handful of men who cannot make their mind up's rights.
THE economist behind a report on currency ‘buried’ by the Scottish Government’s junior partner has warned independence could cost households a fifth of their income.
Professor Ronald MacDonald said Nicola Sturgeon’s plan to keep using the pound for years after a Yes vote would fail as the financial markets would bring forward a currency crisis on "day one" of independence.
He said that would force a newly independent Scotland to adopt its own currency far faster than the First Minister has suggested, with a devaluation of 20 to 30 per cent likely.
“These are big numbers and they will affect peoples’ wages and they will affect peoples’ mortgages,” he said.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
It is the usual bollox, people's wages , mortgages etc have alraedy been trashed by the unionists at Westminster in last 12 years , how can it be worse independent FFS.
That 'lean toward Republican' figure should be of particular interest. Several areas were very close last time and leaners are surely critical.
So are Strong Republicans, who still prefer Trump to DeSantis, if Trump lost the nomination and ran as an Independent
But even that is very close. It's not as though they dislike DeSantis. If he got the nomination, and they like DeSantis, why would they go elsewhere?
After all, if someone is a 'strong Republican' yet they would vote someone else if their preferred candidate does not get it, they aren't really a strong Republican, are they?
It being close suggests they'd roll in behind DeSantis if he got the nomination, and would not rally behind Trump. Just as most strong Republicans will have voted Trump even though they wanted someone else.
How do you know strong Republicans don't dislike DeSantis? Clearly more of them prefer Trump to DeSantis than not and if Trump ran as an Independent a large number of them would likely follow him.
Even if most of them voted for DeSantis in the end just 5 to 10% for an Independent Trump would be enough to re elect Biden or elect whoever the Democrats candidate is if it is not Biden.
RDS will need Trump's endorsement. Not sure how he gets it. A secret agreement to end any and all of Trumps legal issues would seem one good incentive. Beyond that, perhaps prevailing on Charles to give Trump an honorary knighthood, so he can make everyone call him 'Sir Donald' might work - like 'Sir' Norman Schwarzkopf.
My alternative take is that GOP will now ease up on protecting Trump from the various law suits and investigations bearing down on him.
It will of course be done covertly but letting him be convicted of something is the surest way for the GOP to shut him up and get him out of the race.
I think he was depending on events last week to get him off the hook. I can see the party hierarchy and big donors turning on him very swiftly now the myth of his vote-winning prowess has been well and truly shattered.
‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’
Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):
A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.
Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."
Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…
More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
Since 98% of sexual assault convictions are committed by people with penises, do you think that might be a place to start?
It may well put Trans-women at risk.
So Trans women are at risk from men?
Yes. Does that surprise you?
Imagine being a trans-woman in a male prison, or psychiatric facility.
I notice you deleted the "other" as in "other men".
So the solution is to put biological women at risk from Trans Women?
Pop quiz. What are the relative sexual assault offending rates between women, men and Trans women? One is very different from the other two. Two cluster closely.
FFS when will you ever drop your utter obsession with this topic? You are the most tedious person on this forum.
Most of this country couldn't give a flying fuck how people wish to assign their gender.
You have disappeared down the kind of Trumpian rabbit hole that leads into oblivion. A bewildered and sad old person lost in a wilderness of their own creation.
You don't want it discussed.
Where have I heard that before?
So why do civil liberties violations and calls for further clampdowns follow trans activism wherever it goes?
The short answer is that the trans movement threatens civil liberties because the movement is not what it claims to be and thus is threatened by free and open enquiry.
I hope she returns soon - great poster - but she didn't leave because of insufficient discussion on here of transgender issues. She wrote extensively on this topic and tended to get tons of support. Too much support imo. Fwiw I think it is an interesting and important issue (although I don't agree with you or her about it).
As ever the people going on and on* about a subject while simultaneously moaning about being shut down are numerous. It's the modern way.
*and on
Indeed.
Just finished a suite of Stones progs btw. 4 x "My Life as a Stone", one each for Charlie, Mick, Keith and Ronnie Wood. All very enjoyable, esp one bit where Mick, obviously a touch pissed off with "Keith is authentic, he's the blues" type received wisdom, stresses how most of the soppy ballads were Keith not him. "I mean, even Angie was him," he smirks.
Also interesting how Bill Wyman was airbrushed out. Occasionally in the clips - since he had to be - but not referenced a single time in any of the progs, not by the voice over (Sienna Miller) and neither in any of the interviews.
Did you ever see the video they put out at the time of the Steel Wheels tour or thereabouts? I think it was called 25x5 The Continuing Adventures of the Rolling Stones. I had a mate at the time who was as Stones obsessed as I was and I think we committed most of it to memory, most notably the interviews with Keef who was and remains an absolute legend. The utter decency of Charlie Watts also came through. They were the coolest band of all time, got to see them at last over the summer, my God they were good, especially Jagger. The Beatles were the better band though. To have them both in the charts at the same time... The Boomers really were the luckiest generation!
You've managed to find a Stones doc there that I don't think I've seen - quite an achievement!
The Beatles were better? Hmm, sometimes I think so and sometimes I don't. Right now, right here as we speak, I don't.
But soon I'll be sinking into that Disney+ "Get Back" film - all 6 hours of it - and straight after that I bet I'll be, "yeah, Beatles, best ever band".
The Stones had the attitude and a legacy of decades of great live shows, but the Beatles were better songwriters and musicians whose songs connect with the listener on a deeper emotional level.
THE economist behind a report on currency ‘buried’ by the Scottish Government’s junior partner has warned independence could cost households a fifth of their income.
Professor Ronald MacDonald said Nicola Sturgeon’s plan to keep using the pound for years after a Yes vote would fail as the financial markets would bring forward a currency crisis on "day one" of independence.
He said that would force a newly independent Scotland to adopt its own currency far faster than the First Minister has suggested, with a devaluation of 20 to 30 per cent likely.
“These are big numbers and they will affect peoples’ wages and they will affect peoples’ mortgages,” he said.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
Well you don't have to look far. Just read his Wikipedia page and there are lots of references of others calling him out on his later works. Some very strongly. You can't pick and choose your internet sources.
Professor Jeremy Black formerly of Exeter University and now at the US Foreign Policy Institute regards Lal as a good scholar only considered rightwing by Indian Muslim Marxist historians, which says something
There you go again, selectively quoting from the internet. How about all the others historians there calling him out in very strong language for him publishing nonsense. Most with remarkable non Muslim sounding names, just to put a lie to the quote from Black.
You have to stop posting selectively from the internet. It must be obvious to you that you are being partial.
You are also partial, in the way you have just completely dismissed Professor Jeremy Black, one of the most respected British historians around. So don't pretend you don't also have an ideological agenda against Conservative or non Liberal left cultural views.
I note you also don't name any non Indian left historians who disagree with Black
What utter bollocks. I don't have an ideological view at all because I don't know anything about the subject whatsoever so I don't have a view at all. It was just so easy to see you were posting selectively. I have no idea what the politics of these people are.
I haven't dismissed Black cos I know nothing about him, I'm just pointing out there are plenty of opposite views that you choose to ignore. I don't. I can't remember all the names, but they are there for you to read yourself. I believe one was called Jackson.
Honestly this is embarrassing. You just assume people disagreeing with you are doing so for political reasons. I'm not. I'm just pointing out you source stuff that is disreputable. Just cos it is on the internet does not make it correct.
Of course you do, you are are an ideological liberal on here with your own agenda just as much as I am an ideological Conservative. Hence you dismiss Black
I don't know who Black is. I don't know anything about the subject being discussed so I can't have a view can I.
I was simply calling you out on subjectively quoting from the internet which any idiot could see you were doing.
I can't have an opinion on something I know nothing about.
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
So why is Germany so far down? Did they Brexit too?
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
So why is Germany so far down? Did they Brexit too?
At 2.55, (with small boost) backed over 17.5 classified finishers at 2.5. In the last three races, this would have been green three times. Chance the closer racing due to regulations will increase the risk of crashing, mind. But the weather forecast is clear.
In Munich, Seattle Seahawks kicked off against Tampa Bay Buccaneers in first National Football League regular season game ever played in Germany,
Bucs three and out, 'Hawks now have the ball.
How is it that the Germans don't have some sort of a sporting game? The French have boules. And we have Rugby, Football, Cricket, Golf, Hurling, Croquet, Rollerball..
Was it Tank polo they were working towards?
Or better still Zeppelin polo!
I thought starting world wars was their national sport.
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
Well you don't have to look far. Just read his Wikipedia page and there are lots of references of others calling him out on his later works. Some very strongly. You can't pick and choose your internet sources.
Professor Jeremy Black formerly of Exeter University and now at the US Foreign Policy Institute regards Lal as a good scholar only considered rightwing by Indian Muslim Marxist historians, which says something
There you go again, selectively quoting from the internet. How about all the others historians there calling him out in very strong language for him publishing nonsense. Most with remarkable non Muslim sounding names, just to put a lie to the quote from Black.
You have to stop posting selectively from the internet. It must be obvious to you that you are being partial.
You are also partial, in the way you have just completely dismissed Professor Jeremy Black, one of the most respected British historians around. So don't pretend you don't also have an ideological agenda against Conservative or non Liberal left cultural views.
I note you also don't name any non Indian left historians who disagree with Black
What utter bollocks. I don't have an ideological view at all because I don't know anything about the subject whatsoever so I don't have a view at all. It was just so easy to see you were posting selectively. I have no idea what the politics of these people are.
I haven't dismissed Black cos I know nothing about him, I'm just pointing out there are plenty of opposite views that you choose to ignore. I don't. I can't remember all the names, but they are there for you to read yourself. I believe one was called Jackson.
Honestly this is embarrassing. You just assume people disagreeing with you are doing so for political reasons. I'm not. I'm just pointing out you source stuff that is disreputable. Just cos it is on the internet does not make it correct.
Of course you do, you are are an ideological liberal on here with your own agenda just as much as I am an ideological Conservative. Hence you dismiss Black
I don't know who Black is. I don't know anything about the subject being discussed so I can't have a view can I.
I was simply calling you out on subjectively quoting from the internet which any idiot could see you were doing.
I can't have an opinion on something I know nothing about.
You're in the wrong place then.
Boom boom. Brilliant. I saw that coming as soon as I made my post.
Honestly though the idea that everything is about being a conservative or a liberal and that I have to be ideological rather than logical is plain odd. I know nothing about Muslims and Hindus in India yonks ago and have no idea why that has anything to do with me being a liberal anyway. All I did was look at each citation @hyufd made and saw it was nonsense after a quick review.
A bit like quoting a historian claiming the Nazis were nice guys really and then finding pictures of him wearing an SS uniform goose stepping and not challenging his opinion might be biased.
‘Guidance for Scotland’s biggest health board also says that any woman who complains about a transwoman sharing their ward should be advised that “the ward is indeed female-only and that there are no men present”.’
Unbelievable, Sturgeon and her cohorts have a lot to answer for.
It’s already led to cases like this in the NHS (location not disclosed):
A patient who was raped by a transgender woman on a hospital ward could not have been raped because her attacker is defined as a woman, heard the House of Lords.
Police were told by hospital staff that the reported incident was not true, telling officers: "There was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened."
Does the Scottish government think that gaslighting rape victims is the new progressive future?
It's just ignorance. Our sexual offences legislation is gender neutral and there is no reason why a woman with a penis could not be found guilty of rape.
It doesn't matter what gender or sex the attacker and victim were, a sexual assault is a sexual assault.
So keeping people with a penis out of women’s wards would be a good start…
More that protecting all patients from assaults by other patients would be a good start.
Since 98% of sexual assault convictions are committed by people with penises, do you think that might be a place to start?
It may well put Trans-women at risk.
So Trans women are at risk from men?
Yes. Does that surprise you?
Imagine being a trans-woman in a male prison, or psychiatric facility.
I notice you deleted the "other" as in "other men".
So the solution is to put biological women at risk from Trans Women?
Pop quiz. What are the relative sexual assault offending rates between women, men and Trans women? One is very different from the other two. Two cluster closely.
FFS when will you ever drop your utter obsession with this topic? You are the most tedious person on this forum.
Most of this country couldn't give a flying fuck how people wish to assign their gender.
You have disappeared down the kind of Trumpian rabbit hole that leads into oblivion. A bewildered and sad old person lost in a wilderness of their own creation.
You don't want it discussed.
Where have I heard that before?
So why do civil liberties violations and calls for further clampdowns follow trans activism wherever it goes?
The short answer is that the trans movement threatens civil liberties because the movement is not what it claims to be and thus is threatened by free and open enquiry.
I hope she returns soon - great poster - but she didn't leave because of insufficient discussion on here of transgender issues. She wrote extensively on this topic and tended to get tons of support. Too much support imo. Fwiw I think it is an interesting and important issue (although I don't agree with you or her about it).
As ever the people going on and on* about a subject while simultaneously moaning about being shut down are numerous. It's the modern way.
*and on
Indeed.
Just finished a suite of Stones progs btw. 4 x "My Life as a Stone", one each for Charlie, Mick, Keith and Ronnie Wood. All very enjoyable, esp one bit where Mick, obviously a touch pissed off with "Keith is authentic, he's the blues" type received wisdom, stresses how most of the soppy ballads were Keith not him. "I mean, even Angie was him," he smirks.
Also interesting how Bill Wyman was airbrushed out. Occasionally in the clips - since he had to be - but not referenced a single time in any of the progs, not by the voice over (Sienna Miller) and neither in any of the interviews.
Did you ever see the video they put out at the time of the Steel Wheels tour or thereabouts? I think it was called 25x5 The Continuing Adventures of the Rolling Stones. I had a mate at the time who was as Stones obsessed as I was and I think we committed most of it to memory, most notably the interviews with Keef who was and remains an absolute legend. The utter decency of Charlie Watts also came through. They were the coolest band of all time, got to see them at last over the summer, my God they were good, especially Jagger. The Beatles were the better band though. To have them both in the charts at the same time... The Boomers really were the luckiest generation!
You've managed to find a Stones doc there that I don't think I've seen - quite an achievement!
The Beatles were better? Hmm, sometimes I think so and sometimes I don't. Right now, right here as we speak, I don't.
But soon I'll be sinking into that Disney+ "Get Back" film - all 6 hours of it - and straight after that I bet I'll be, "yeah, Beatles, best ever band".
The Stones had the attitude and a legacy of decades of great live shows, but the Beatles were better songwriters and musicians whose songs connect with the listener on a deeper emotional level.
Horses for courses. The Stones' songs connect with me on a deeper emotional level. I find the Beatles to be interesting and whimsical, but they don't make the hairs stand up on my neck like Sympathy for the Devil or Angie.
That 'lean toward Republican' figure should be of particular interest. Several areas were very close last time and leaners are surely critical.
So are Strong Republicans, who still prefer Trump to DeSantis, if Trump lost the nomination and ran as an Independent
But even that is very close. It's not as though they dislike DeSantis. If he got the nomination, and they like DeSantis, why would they go elsewhere?
After all, if someone is a 'strong Republican' yet they would vote someone else if their preferred candidate does not get it, they aren't really a strong Republican, are they?
It being close suggests they'd roll in behind DeSantis if he got the nomination, and would not rally behind Trump. Just as most strong Republicans will have voted Trump even though they wanted someone else.
How do you know strong Republicans don't dislike DeSantis? Clearly more of them prefer Trump to DeSantis than not and if Trump ran as an Independent a large number of them would likely follow him.
Even if most of them voted for DeSantis in the end just 5 to 10% for an Independent Trump would be enough to re elect Biden or elect whoever the Democrats candidate is if it is not Biden.
RDS will need Trump's endorsement. Not sure how he gets it. A secret agreement to end any and all of Trumps legal issues would seem one good incentive. Beyond that, perhaps prevailing on Charles to give Trump an honorary knighthood, so he can make everyone call him 'Sir Donald' might work - like 'Sir' Norman Schwarzkopf.
My alternative take is that GOP will now ease up on protecting Trump from the various law suits and investigations bearing down on him.
It will of course be done covertly but letting him be convicted of something is the surest way for the GOP to shut him up and get him out of the race.
I think he was depending on events last week to get him off the hook. I can see the party hierarchy and big donors turning on him very swiftly now the myth of his vote-winning prowess has been well and truly shattered.
Yes but.
For a start, it's not just Trump who is in the firing line. It's looking increasingly likely McConnell will get the chop. A number of GOP Senators have blamed him publicly for the underperformance (for example, MM didn't prioritise Laxalt and withheld money from Masters because the latter criticised him). They will wait until the Georgia run-off to move but, given the chances are Warnock will win, it's happening.
Second, there is also a realisation blaming Trump us too easy a cure. In many cases, DJT only endorsed candidates when they won or were near winning. He didn't push candidates like Mostriano for example. Also, non-Trump candidates as in the Colorado Senate race massively underperformed expectations.
Third, and most importantly, it's been overlooked in the House races that the GOP will poll more than 4 million votes nationally than the Dems despite apparently high D enthusiasm. That can't / won't be overlooked.
As mentioned above, I think the most likely solution is that the GOP will promise to protect Trump
The danger with stories like this is the shadow of Brexit. There were some extreme projections about Brexit too. Immediate budgets, recessions, job losses etc. In reality the impact seems to be a general reduction in economic growth, although it’s hard to sure against the backdrop of covid and war. This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Brexit in a single image.
Not Covid.
Not war.
So why is Germany so far down? Did they Brexit too?
No surprise that PB's pub bore posts moronic shit like this:
"About two centuries before the British took India, the racist supremacist Muslim Mughals took India, and built pyramids out of skulls. The Mughals were far far worse than the British. By some estimates they killed 40-80 million Indians. Others go higher"
This is how the site you link to describes itself (these are the site's own words) -
Truncile.com, owned by Trunicle India Pvt. Ltd., derived from True Chronicles, is a pro nationalist opinion and news portal, launched in July 2020. Trunicle focuses on topics that are related to India policy, governance and current affairs. It also focuses on publishing positive & development oriented articles for youth who today struggle to find relevant material online. Trunicle does this by empowering individuals to come and raise their voice for what is RIGHT. (emphasis mine)
Umm. And have you read about what he wrote in later life, which is discredited.
@hyufd. Just to add to my post - You wouldn't quote David Irving, would you, about the Holocaust so it is worth checking what and who you are quoting. Just because it is on the internet, it doesn't make it correct. Something I have mentioned to you a few times. Leon should bear that in mind also.
Well the vast majority of historians agree the Holocaust happened unlike Irving.
Show me evidence then of historians who disprove Professor Lal's claims? Irving of course was just an author, he did not even have a PhD and certainly was never a Professor unlike Lal
There are critiques of Prof Lal's work in terms of numbers on the quite obvious grounds of the lack of decent census data on medieval India before and after the arrival of Islam.
This is not an idle piece of historical analysis, but a very active political agenda in India. The Hindutva activists use it as a way to stir up communal violence. We saw some of that in my City in September.
HYUFD is an activist in a party which actively tries to suppress historical debate and to force schools to use dodgy old textbooks. I mean, 'My Island Story'. WTF!?!
My Island Story is an excellent narrative record of English history from Roman times to the Victorian era without the self hate of the left
It is obviously an extremist right wing tract if you approve of it.
There is also the small matter that it was written in 1905 and will be howlingly out of date. There is the other small matter of the bit that comes after the Victorians, always conveniently ignored by Tory enthusiasts for the 1066 and All That style of school teaching of history.
Why would it be out of date? It stopped at the 20th century and was written at the beginning of the 20th century.
For schoolchildren it is still an excellent overview of English history in Medieval, Tudor, Stuart and Georgan and Victorian times.
The fact it is woke free does not make it 'an extremist right wing tract'
A biology textbook from 1905 would be hopelessly out of date. A physics one from the same year would too. Ditto geology, psychology, sociology, chemistry, geography, politics… Why do you think history alone is somehow unaffected by the last 117 years of developments in human knowledge?
As for starters the vast majority of historical archives from the Middle Ages, Tudor and Stuart period etc we have were already around in 1900.
History is NOT science, built on the latest scientific discoveries, it is simply a narrative record of historical archives and events and interpretation of them at a more advanced level
Methodology. New analyses, new interpretations, all change.
I've been extremely cautious about *any* history book written before the 1930s ever since a friend at uni showed me Herbert Butterfield's 'The Whig Interpretation of History' [or whatever it was called).
I'd say there's a lot of good history, written pre-1930. But, the author may well have lacked access to the primary sources that a modern historian might have.
There's simply a mass of archival material out there that has often never, or rarely, been read. I can testify to that, after studying the papers of General Clinton at Manchester University. I could easily be the first person to have read it in half a century.
And of course, advances in archaeology can completely transform the received wisdom.
Modern history books can be just as tendentious, however, as past history works. A good example is Robert Waterfield's account of the Anabasis. A riveting read until he suddenly lurches into an irrelevant chapter about Orientalism.
Xenophon's original account (translation useful) remains a very good read., as good, and more eye witness feel, than, for example, Arrian.
I read a book on Greek history, a modern work, in which the historian extolled the virtues of 'interpreting' history according to new schools of thought. Such as Marxism.
Bastardisation and revisionism mean modern works can be as bad or worse as older works for bias.
Edited extra bit: I also read a Norse myth book (recent) including a section on the historical Ivar the Boneless which suggested his lack of bones was indicative of a more forward thinking Viking sentiment with less reliance on physical prowess. Except Justin Pollard in his biography of Alfred the Great explains the nickname may simply be a mistranslation (I forget of what) which means the author is either deliberately omitting a relevant fact as it's inconvenient to their agenda or they know less than me, the reader, which also does not seem very reassuring.
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It’s historical value approaches zero.
Professor Ronald MacDonald said Nicola Sturgeon’s plan to keep using the pound for years after a Yes vote would fail as the financial markets would bring forward a currency crisis on "day one" of independence.
He said that would force a newly independent Scotland to adopt its own currency far faster than the First Minister has suggested, with a devaluation of 20 to 30 per cent likely.
“These are big numbers and they will affect peoples’ wages and they will affect peoples’ mortgages,” he said.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23121340.scots-lose-fifth-income-day-one-indy-currency-crisis/?ref=twtrec
This is not to say that the report is wrong, just that it has echoes of project fear.
Not particularly right wing, but definitely of its era
For example Mahan’s Life of Nelson explains why Nelson thought he was going to die when he set off for the Trafalgar campaign. This wasn’t a vision of the future or superstition - as some recent works would have it.
Due to the distribution of the fleets around the world, Nelson thought it likely that he might have to fight the combined French and Spanish fleets with one half their size. His plan was to divide them in 2 and defeat the first column completely. This would immobilise his ships (damage to sail and masts), so when the second column engaged, his fleet would be slowly pounded to bits. Nelson’s aim was, therefore, to trade the destruction of 3/4 of the enemy fleet with the loss of his own. Which would, as he wrote, make an invasion of Britain impossible for some years.
In the event, fleet dispositions made a more equal balance of forces possible
He should stick to flipping burgers.
If Conservatives are going to stop the left winning the cultural war they have to ensure non leftist material is studied in schools as well as universities
https://www.amazon.com/Scotlands-Story-Yesterdays-Classics-Marshall/dp/1599150565
I'm net up £42 on these midterms, as I told you, which is poor for the risk I took. And I also did a silly bet - GOP senate majority at 1.35. Fortunately not for very much.
But the Biggie - Trump Toast - is just close to a fact now, so all in all I'm happy.
And that is for stuff that happened in the last couple of centuries.
I think Keith is most interesting (to me, a layman) when talking about the technicalities of the music, those were the bits in his autobiography I enjoyed the most. It struck a slightly jarring note when he talked about grateful impoverished blues guys thanking the Stones for reviving the music and their finances, undoubtedly true but nevertheless.. he's still in my top ten greatest living Englishmen though. Charlie was, as ever, a marvel.
I do wonder if Wyman would have had much interesting to say, even without the cancellation (an authentic one!). He's not entirely cancelled as I've seen him popping up in pics of oldster music events & parties, with the curious squirrel red hair and tinted specs favoured by old rockers. Fwiw he was my mum's favourite Stone.
I haven't dismissed Black cos I know nothing about him, I'm just pointing out there are plenty of opposite views that you choose to ignore. I don't. I can't remember all the names, but they are there for you to read yourself. I believe one was called Jackson.
Honestly this is embarrassing. You just assume people disagreeing with you are doing so for political reasons. I'm not. I'm just pointing out you source stuff that is disreputable. Just cos it is on the internet does not make it correct.
The professor of macroeconomics at the Adam Smith Business School at Glasgow University
They all get approximately equal billing
There's simply a mass of archival material out there that has often never, or rarely, been read. I can testify to that, after studying the papers of General Clinton at Manchester University. I could easily be the first person to have read it in half a century.
And of course, advances in archaeology can completely transform the received wisdom.
Modern history books can be just as tendentious, however, as past history works. A good example is Robert Waterfield's account of the Anabasis. A riveting read until he suddenly lurches into an irrelevant chapter about Orientalism.
Not Covid.
Not war.
You might want to check with the ONS and see what in real GBP the level of GDP was pre-pandemic and what it is today.
https://twitter.com/julianHjessop/status/1591063553938976769
However; nobody thought Brexit was a good thing in the short term, so it's sort of pointless chasing about.
The UK has grown beyond where it was pre-pandemic (it did last year) on real measures according to the ONS. The negative OECD measure is purely because pound to dollar has fallen over the pandemic, its got nothing to do with Brexit or the UK having had negative growth.
DeSantis is likely largely undefined to most voters outside Florida.
In any event, I’m looking forward to some Republican internecine warfare.
I was simply calling you out on subjectively quoting from the internet which any idiot could see you were doing.
I can't have an opinion on something I know nothing about.
No great sense of the end either. I think Mick is going to make 100. Probably not Keith though - despite those bizarrely perfect pearly choppers.
Jared Polis's opponent, Heidi Ganahl, was remarkably weak, and did not have Boebert's incumbency advantage;
Here's a description of Ganahl's problems: https://coloradosun.com/2022/11/08/colorado-governor-results-jared-polis-heidi-ganahl/
The Beatles were the better band though. To have them both in the charts at the same time... The Boomers really were the luckiest generation!
Bucs three and out, 'Hawks now have the ball.
Was it Tank polo they were working towards?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/timeseries/abmi/pn2
Though (not having read it) I wonder if the orientalism chapter was addressing C19 and C20 assumptions about nice democratic Hellenes vs tyrannic despotic Orientals? Which would at least have some relevance?
"All former living prime ministers, including Liz Truss, attended the service."
As if to say, even Liz Truss.
http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/marshall/england/england.html
The problem I think now with betting on the early results is how much those are now influenced by Florida. That happened in 2020 as well.
The Beatles were better? Hmm, sometimes I think so and sometimes I don't. Right now, right here as we speak, I don't.
But soon I'll be sinking into that Disney+ "Get Back" film - all 6 hours of it - and straight after that I bet I'll be, "yeah, Beatles, best ever band".
It will of course be done covertly but letting him be convicted of something is the surest way for the GOP to shut him up and get him out of the race.
I think he was depending on events last week to get him off the hook. I can see the party hierarchy and big donors turning on him very swiftly now the myth of his vote-winning prowess has been well and truly shattered.
It’s a cracking game
Scotland 20-14 up with just under half an hour to go
My main concern is the risk of Russell and Hamilton taking one another out.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/zz336#2e323232
Honestly though the idea that everything is about being a conservative or a liberal and that I have to be ideological rather than logical is plain odd. I know nothing about Muslims and Hindus in India yonks ago and have no idea why that has anything to do with me being a liberal anyway. All I did was look at each citation @hyufd made and saw it was nonsense after a quick review.
A bit like quoting a historian claiming the Nazis were nice guys really and then finding pictures of him wearing an SS uniform goose stepping and not challenging his opinion might be biased.
For a start, it's not just Trump who is in the firing line. It's looking increasingly likely McConnell will get the chop. A number of GOP Senators have blamed him publicly for the underperformance (for example, MM didn't prioritise Laxalt and withheld money from Masters because the latter criticised him). They will wait until the Georgia run-off to move but, given the chances
are Warnock will win, it's happening.
Second, there is also a realisation blaming Trump us too easy a cure. In many cases, DJT only endorsed candidates when they won or were near winning. He didn't push candidates like Mostriano for example. Also, non-Trump candidates as in the Colorado Senate race massively underperformed expectations.
Third, and most importantly, it's been overlooked in the House races that the GOP will poll more than 4 million votes nationally than the Dems despite apparently high D enthusiasm. That can't / won't be overlooked.
As mentioned above, I think the most likely solution is that the GOP will promise to protect Trump
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Bastardisation and revisionism mean modern works can be as bad or worse as older works for bias.
Edited extra bit: I also read a Norse myth book (recent) including a section on the historical Ivar the Boneless which suggested his lack of bones was indicative of a more forward thinking Viking sentiment with less reliance on physical prowess. Except Justin Pollard in his biography of Alfred the Great explains the nickname may simply be a mistranslation (I forget of what) which means the author is either deliberately omitting a relevant fact as it's inconvenient to their agenda or they know less than me, the reader, which also does not seem very reassuring.