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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    ...

    Alistair said:

    Dems are being obliterated in Washoe.

    Dems - 2935
    GOP - 7892

    That is horrendous for the Dems

    Early data out of Maricopa pretty bleak for them too. Going to be a lonnnnnnng old night for Democrats
    Is there an 'upper limit for the Repubs' number of senators that we should be sticking a few quid on? 54?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    NEW: Gavin Williamson keeps the Tory whip... for now.

    Whips spox: “Sir Gavin Williamson has been clear that he will comply with the ongoing complaints process. It is right that we wait for that process to conclude.”

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1590083328967061504
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Yesterday's John Oliver means Trump is becoming POTUS in 2025 even if the Dems win.

    The day America died.

    What came up?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited November 2022
    So another one bites the dust.

    Managed to combine incompetence with being a thoroughly nasty piece of work.

    Braverman next?

    Can we please have a General Election?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    edited November 2022

    ...

    Alistair said:

    Dems are being obliterated in Washoe.

    Dems - 2935
    GOP - 7892

    That is horrendous for the Dems

    Early data out of Maricopa pretty bleak for them too. Going to be a lonnnnnnng old night for Democrats
    Is there an 'upper limit for the Repubs' number of senators that we should be sticking a few quid on? 54?
    54 is perfectly possible - GA + AZ + NV + (one of) CO and NH.

    With that said... I'd be a little cautious about reading too much into some of the early voting info.

    Edit to add: WA is also possible, if unlikely.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    I have thought for some time that some (many?) Republican leaders have been lying, if only by omission, to stay away from trouble with Trump and Trumpistas.

    There are many precedents for those kinds of deceptions in US politics. (And other places, so I hear.)

    I can't applaud such deceptions in this situation -- but I might forgive them in the future, if they do the right things, later.

    One very powerful motive: More and more Republican leaders have recognized that Trump is a loser in general elections, and are saying so. Latest big example: Mick Mulvaney.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Heathener said:

    So another one bites the dust.

    Managed to combine incompetence with being a thoroughly nasty piece of work.

    Braverman next?

    Can we please have a General Election?

    When the boundaries are updated.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    edited November 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    ...

    Alistair said:

    Dems are being obliterated in Washoe.

    Dems - 2935
    GOP - 7892

    That is horrendous for the Dems

    Early data out of Maricopa pretty bleak for them too. Going to be a lonnnnnnng old night for Democrats
    Is there an 'upper limit for the Repubs' number of senators that we should be sticking a few quid on? 54?
    54 is perfectly possible - GA + AZ + NV + (one of) CO and NH.

    With that said... I'd be a little cautious about reading too much into some of the early voting info.

    Edit to add: WA is also possible, if unlikely.
    I only ever bet pennies. And thanks!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited November 2022

    ...

    Alistair said:

    Dems are being obliterated in Washoe.

    Dems - 2935
    GOP - 7892

    That is horrendous for the Dems

    Early data out of Maricopa pretty bleak for them too. Going to be a lonnnnnnng old night for Democrats
    Is there an 'upper limit for the Repubs' number of senators that we should be sticking a few quid on? 54?
    Probably 56 but thats almost impossible - hold Pa, take Ga, Az, NH, Nv and then Colorado and Washington
    54 i think is upper end, 55 on a dream night for them.......

    Edit - 53 looks relatively likely to me now however
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Scott_xP said:

    That Gavin Williamson ministerial record in full:

    Sacked as defence secretary for leaking from National Security Council.
    Sacked as education secretary over A-level exam chaos.
    Resigns as Cabinet Office minister after 2 weeks over bullying texts.

    https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1590077447273607168

    That's misleadingly simplistic. It overlooks (1) the GCSE exam chaos (2) the chaos over will they/won't they lockdown (3) the chaos over will they/won't they reopen (4) the failures over testing (5) the failure to issue timely and relevant health and safety guidelines (6) the disintegration of OFSTED under a woman who had failed cataclysmically but whose contract he extended (7) criminal breaches of health and safety law by the DfE (8) breaches of lockdown regulations by DfE staff (9) the failure to plan for the cancellation of exams even though it was obvious from October 2020 onwards that the ineptitude of the DfE would make it inevitable.

    He wasn't just sacked because A-levels were in chaos. They've been in chaos ever since Spielman, Truss and Gibb between them fucked up the reforms. And two of those are still in post and one actually got promoted to be PM!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073

    Kari Lake says there will be a "come to Jesus" on election processes in Arizona after they win.

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1590069187967320065

    Is she saying atheists won’t get to vote ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159
    Scott_xP said:

    kinabalu said:

    Talk about coincidence - Depp has just appeared on my tv in a scent ad. Not sporting that "hard party grandma" look as it happens. More his usual edgy jack tar.

    Is that ad not 10 years old though?
    Ah. Yes he did look quite fresh, come to think of it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    Phew my Ben Wallace as next out the cabinet tip is still live.

    One highly unfortunate side effect of Williamson going is Braverman's position is now strengthened. Sunak can't afford to lose two ministers so soon after being elected, particularly not given there were rumblings about appointing them in the first place.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Heathener said:

    So another one bites the dust.

    Managed to combine incompetence with being a thoroughly nasty piece of work.

    Braverman next?

    Can we please have a General Election?

    The issue with that is of course a labour supporter wants a general election. We don’t need one. There is a government with a working majority.
    Your fun will come, you just need patience.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Rishi Sunak's letter to Gavin Williamson: "It is with great sadness that I accept your resignation... I support your decision to step back and understand why you have taken it. I would like to thank you for your personal support and loyalty." https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1590085386805841920/photo/1
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Something for politics pub quizzes. How many resignations have there been in 2022?

    https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1590082045577162752

    Always possible that the number might rise over the course of the next 53 days.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    dr_spyn said:

    Something for politics pub quizzes. How many resignations have there been in 2022?

    https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1590082045577162752

    Always possible that the number might rise over the course of the next 53 days.

    Or 53 minutes.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    kle4 said:

    Yesterday's John Oliver means Trump is becoming POTUS in 2025 even if the Dems win.

    The day America died.

    What came up?
    In 2020 a lot of good GOP people stood up and stopped Trump stealing the election.

    Today a lot of them have left and have been replaced or will be elected today who brazenly admit that Trump won the 2020 election and if a Dem wins their area/state then it is fraud by the Dems and will simply exclude Dem heavy areas from their returns.

    This is a process all the way from precinct captains to the governor.
    Yes, that sounds depressingly plausuble.

    That, in the end, the winner was confirmed last time did not mean things were not in big trouble, when it relied upon people holding firm against partisan fury, fury which was bound to remove many of them.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,994
    edited November 2022
    kyf_100 said:

    ping said:

    Bad day for bitcoin

    Down 12.3%

    This seems to be the trigger;

    https://www.ft.com/content/8db7e24b-5a15-4856-b81e-a2027157aaad

    Although the big picture is surely the fed.

    Nope, it's FTX insolvency

    And worth pointing out it's not really about bitcoin - it's about other cryptos (mainly ftx's own token and solana, which they have a sh*t ton of, but there is zero liquidity to sell into, making it worthless if you actually try to sell it - btc doesn't have that kind of liquidity problem).

    Liquidity is just about how many mugs there are willing to hope there's a bigger mug there tomorrow.

    There's no revenue stream or assets underpinning the valuation. So if the stream of mugs runs dry, the liquidity vanishes.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    ohnotnow said:

    I feel slightly distraught that PB doesn't seem to worthy even a second-rate Russian troll as the US election kick off.

    How would the BA pilots vote? We'll never know...

    Haven't they all died after taking the Covid vaccine, and the government is hiding the information from us?
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874
    kle4 said:

    Cheque didn't clear?

    Former Fifa president Sepp Blatter says the decision to award the 2022 World Cup to Qatar was a "mistake".

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/63554507

    I think it did. That’s the problem.

  • franklynfranklyn Posts: 319
    So Williamson gets his £18,300 severance pay
  • Alistair said:

    Dems are being obliterated in Washoe.

    Dems - 2935
    GOP - 7892

    That is horrendous for the Dems

    Clark is not great for them either. Ralston looking more as though he is calling it for GOP.

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590082374674501633

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590075685070024704
    The GOP candidate in Nevada was more mainstream than those in GA, PA, AZ and NH.

    Which might be a factor.
  • Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    Yesterday's John Oliver means Trump is becoming POTUS in 2025 even if the Dems win.

    The day America died.

    What came up?
    In 2020 a lot of good GOP people stood up and stopped Trump stealing the election.

    Today a lot of them have left and have been replaced or will be elected today who brazenly admit that Trump won the 2020 election and if a Dem wins their area/state then it is fraud by the Dems and will simply exclude Dem heavy areas from their returns.

    This is a process all the way from precinct captains to the governor.
    What's infuriating is the way people simply dismiss this as an actual threat. You have people openly standing on a platform of election stealing and its not taken seriously "they don't really mean it, they won't actually launch an assault against Democracy".
    Some of the stuff Kari Lake is coming out is truly chilling.

    No wonders absolute roasters like Leon love her.

    I wonder what first attracted Leon to the fascist?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159
    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    Yesterday's John Oliver means Trump is becoming POTUS in 2025 even if the Dems win.

    The day America died.

    What came up?
    In 2020 a lot of good GOP people stood up and stopped Trump stealing the election.

    Today a lot of them have left and have been replaced or will be elected today who brazenly admit that Trump won the 2020 election and if a Dem wins their area/state then it is fraud by the Dems and will simply exclude Dem heavy areas from their returns.

    This is a process all the way from precinct captains to the governor.
    What's infuriating is the way people simply dismiss this as an actual threat. You have people openly standing on a platform of election stealing and its not taken seriously "they don't really mean it, they won't actually launch an assault against Democracy".
    Or "it's a choice of 2 evils" - the inability to distinguish a genuine threat to democracy from politics they dislike. Crazy days.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    Yesterday's John Oliver means Trump is becoming POTUS in 2025 even if the Dems win.

    The day America died.

    What came up?
    In 2020 a lot of good GOP people stood up and stopped Trump stealing the election.

    Today a lot of them have left and have been replaced or will be elected today who brazenly admit that Trump won the 2020 election and if a Dem wins their area/state then it is fraud by the Dems and will simply exclude Dem heavy areas from their returns.

    This is a process all the way from precinct captains to the governor.
    What's infuriating is the way people simply dismiss this as an actual threat. You have people openly standing on a platform of election stealing and its not taken seriously "they don't really mean it, they won't actually launch an assault against Democracy".
    Some of the stuff Kari Lake is coming out is truly chilling.

    No wonders absolute roasters like Leon love her.

    I wonder what first attracted Leon to the fascist?
    Her tits?
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Scott_xP said:
    I don't think many of the republicans running today will appreciate trump getting himself in the news now with comments like that, and more generally, I suspect a lot of republicans have up to today been reluctant to critics trump to much publicly so as to not have his core supporters boycott him, but as of tomorrow I think there may be more public criticism of trump or suggestions that he is not the man to represent the party in 2024.


  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    Fox news have their tails up
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,945

    kyf_100 said:

    ping said:

    Bad day for bitcoin

    Down 12.3%

    This seems to be the trigger;

    https://www.ft.com/content/8db7e24b-5a15-4856-b81e-a2027157aaad

    Although the big picture is surely the fed.

    Nope, it's FTX insolvency

    And worth pointing out it's not really about bitcoin - it's about other cryptos (mainly ftx's own token and solana, which they have a sh*t ton of, but there is zero liquidity to sell into, making it worthless if you actually try to sell it - btc doesn't have that kind of liquidity problem).

    Liquidity is just about how many mugs there are willing to hope there's a bigger mug there tomorrow.

    There's no revenue stream or assets underpinning the valuation. So if the stream of mugs runs dry, the liquidity vanishes.
    Yawn.
  • Bayern Ultras just now: “Damaged mind? Fuck you Khalid and co.”




    In relation to this story.

    Qatar World Cup ambassador claims homosexuality is 'damage in the mind'

    Former Qatar midfielder Khalid Salman made the incendiary remark in a German television interview


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2022/11/08/qatar-world-cup-2022-ambassador-claims-homosexuality-damage/
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    edited November 2022
    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    Yesterday's John Oliver means Trump is becoming POTUS in 2025 even if the Dems win.

    The day America died.

    What came up?
    In 2020 a lot of good GOP people stood up and stopped Trump stealing the election.

    Today a lot of them have left and have been replaced or will be elected today who brazenly admit that Trump won the 2020 election and if a Dem wins their area/state then it is fraud by the Dems and will simply exclude Dem heavy areas from their returns.

    This is a process all the way from precinct captains to the governor.
    What's infuriating is the way people simply dismiss this as an actual threat. You have people openly standing on a platform of election stealing and its not taken seriously "they don't really mean it, they won't actually launch an assault against Democracy".
    My fear is that it’s not that people are delusional or blind to the risk - it’s that a great many of them don’t care. They actually find democracy an inconvenience now.

    There must be a not insubstantial chance that the American political system fails in the next 10-20 years, to be replaced by authoritarian government or civil conflict. That is a scary thought.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159
    Are we seeing enough to call the senate for the GOP now then? Can still get 1.33.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    Bracing mood amongst the CNN panelists
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    franklyn said:

    So Williamson gets his £18,300 severance pay

    He was a minister of state, this HuffPo piece from awhile back says it would be around £8k

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ministers-severance-pay-cabinet-reshuffle_uk_63624e5ce4b08fd5e95766c3

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159
    kinabalu said:

    Anyway it's here - a big big night - so a couple of neck on block predictions from me:

    Janusz to be star baker. Abdul to go.

    180 degrees out. Abdul star baker, Janusz has gone.

    That takes talent.
  • BalrogBalrog Posts: 207
    I put my winnings from the Lula victory and a bit more besides on senate republican win earlier in the week. I hate the idea of the republicans winning, so if they fail I don't mind losing the money and if they win I can console myself with my second four figure win in just over a week!
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited November 2022
    Very off topic, this is hilarious;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5zXeZiHlLc

    Spinal tap, eat yet hat.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    Yesterday's John Oliver means Trump is becoming POTUS in 2025 even if the Dems win.

    The day America died.

    What came up?
    In 2020 a lot of good GOP people stood up and stopped Trump stealing the election.

    Today a lot of them have left and have been replaced or will be elected today who brazenly admit that Trump won the 2020 election and if a Dem wins their area/state then it is fraud by the Dems and will simply exclude Dem heavy areas from their returns.

    This is a process all the way from precinct captains to the governor.
    What's infuriating is the way people simply dismiss this as an actual threat. You have people openly standing on a platform of election stealing and its not taken seriously "they don't really mean it, they won't actually launch an assault against Democracy".
    Or that so long as someone wins an election, anything they might then do, even dismantle democratic protections, cannot be called undemocratic.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    kinabalu said:

    Are we seeing enough to call the senate for the GOP now then? Can still get 1.33.

    that does look good value.
  • It is all the fault of the French as usual.

    Over the weekend Fifa’s leadership sent out a letter asking the participating countries to refrain from any further discussion of Qatar’s human rights record and urging them to “focus on the football”.

    The message does not appear to have reached Blatter, 86, who suggested this morning that the World Cup was being held in Qatar only because of political arm-twisting from Paris.

    “Qatar is a mistake,” he told the Tages-Anzeiger, a newspaper in his native Switzerland. “The choice was bad.”

    Blatter, who favoured holding the tournament in the US instead, alleged that Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president at the time, had lobbied on Qatar’s behalf in return for a £12.7 billion order from Doha for French fighter jets.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/qatari-world-cup-ambassador-calls-homosexuality-damage-in-the-mind-hlv7q8ttm
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    It is all the fault of the French as usual.

    Over the weekend Fifa’s leadership sent out a letter asking the participating countries to refrain from any further discussion of Qatar’s human rights record and urging them to “focus on the football”.

    The message does not appear to have reached Blatter, 86, who suggested this morning that the World Cup was being held in Qatar only because of political arm-twisting from Paris.

    “Qatar is a mistake,” he told the Tages-Anzeiger, a newspaper in his native Switzerland. “The choice was bad.”

    Blatter, who favoured holding the tournament in the US instead, alleged that Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president at the time, had lobbied on Qatar’s behalf in return for a £12.7 billion order from Doha for French fighter jets.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/qatari-world-cup-ambassador-calls-homosexuality-damage-in-the-mind-hlv7q8ttm

    Who better to spot corrupt dealings than a President of Fifa?
  • A few of us did point this out at the time.

    A coroner has said he has seen no evidence that Archie Battersbee was taking part in an online challenge when he fatally injured himself.

    Archie, 12, from Southend, died when his life support was withdrawn following his parents' legal battle with the NHS hospital treating him.

    His mother has said she believed he was injured in an online challenge.

    A pre-inquest review heard Essex Police had found messages on his phone reflecting a "very low mood".

    A full inquest is to be held in Chelmsford on 7 February.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-63557850
  • kinabalu said:

    Are we seeing enough to call the senate for the GOP now then? Can still get 1.33.

    If the GOP gain Nevada then the Dems need to win AZ, PA and GA to keep the 50-50 split.

    Also if the GOP are doing well in Nevada then perhaps their chances are better than the 1.94 you can get on them winning in Arizona.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159

    ...

    Alistair said:

    Dems are being obliterated in Washoe.

    Dems - 2935
    GOP - 7892

    That is horrendous for the Dems

    Early data out of Maricopa pretty bleak for them too. Going to be a lonnnnnnng old night for Democrats
    Is there an 'upper limit for the Repubs' number of senators that we should be sticking a few quid on? 54?
    1.33 just the majority. That's mega if the die is cast.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    According to CNN 40 minutes to first exit polls but IIRC they lie and they start telling us about little subsamples and what they might or might not show until you lose the will to live.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,803

    Alistair said:

    Dems are being obliterated in Washoe.

    Dems - 2935
    GOP - 7892

    That is horrendous for the Dems

    Clark is not great for them either. Ralston looking more as though he is calling it for GOP.

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590082374674501633

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590075685070024704
    The hope is that Biden gets a massive kick up the arse from this, stops pandering to the identarian left and starts governing like a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama and beats off Trump as a result, but as a centrist.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited November 2022

    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    Yesterday's John Oliver means Trump is becoming POTUS in 2025 even if the Dems win.

    The day America died.

    What came up?
    In 2020 a lot of good GOP people stood up and stopped Trump stealing the election.

    Today a lot of them have left and have been replaced or will be elected today who brazenly admit that Trump won the 2020 election and if a Dem wins their area/state then it is fraud by the Dems and will simply exclude Dem heavy areas from their returns.

    This is a process all the way from precinct captains to the governor.
    What's infuriating is the way people simply dismiss this as an actual threat. You have people openly standing on a platform of election stealing and its not taken seriously "they don't really mean it, they won't actually launch an assault against Democracy".
    My fear is that it’s not that people are delusional or blind to the risk - it’s that a great many of them don’t care. They actually find democracy an inconvenience now.

    There must be a not insubstantial chance that the American political system fails in the next 10-20 years, to be replaced by authoritarian government or civil conflict. That is a scary thought.

    Scary indeed.

    However, I think it’s the knock-on effects that will have the potential to cause the greatest human suffering.

    An isolationist America who no longer cares for democratic norms will empower autocrats throughout the world.

    That’s where we’ll see most of the damage.
  • kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    ping said:

    Bad day for bitcoin

    Down 12.3%

    This seems to be the trigger;

    https://www.ft.com/content/8db7e24b-5a15-4856-b81e-a2027157aaad

    Although the big picture is surely the fed.

    Nope, it's FTX insolvency

    And worth pointing out it's not really about bitcoin - it's about other cryptos (mainly ftx's own token and solana, which they have a sh*t ton of, but there is zero liquidity to sell into, making it worthless if you actually try to sell it - btc doesn't have that kind of liquidity problem).

    Liquidity is just about how many mugs there are willing to hope there's a bigger mug there tomorrow.

    There's no revenue stream or assets underpinning the valuation. So if the stream of mugs runs dry, the liquidity vanishes.
    Yawn.
    What, no pithy retort of how I don't understand the technology?

    Or what kind of libertarian rejects pyramid scams?

    A scam is a scam is a scam, even if you have Madoff with a profit.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Cookie said:

    Alistair said:

    Dems are being obliterated in Washoe.

    Dems - 2935
    GOP - 7892

    That is horrendous for the Dems

    Clark is not great for them either. Ralston looking more as though he is calling it for GOP.

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590082374674501633

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590075685070024704
    The hope is that Biden gets a massive kick up the arse from this, stops pandering to the identarian left and starts governing like a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama and beats off Trump as a result, but as a centrist.
    Hasn't he already been doing so? The left of his party seem to hate him, quite frankly.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,055
    Cookie said:

    Alistair said:

    Dems are being obliterated in Washoe.

    Dems - 2935
    GOP - 7892

    That is horrendous for the Dems

    Clark is not great for them either. Ralston looking more as though he is calling it for GOP.

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590082374674501633

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590075685070024704
    The hope is that Biden gets a massive kick up the arse from this, stops pandering to the identarian left and starts governing like a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama and beats off Trump as a result, but as a centrist.
    “Beats off”? There’s a mental image I didn’t want…
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    edited November 2022
    DavidL said:

    According to CNN 40 minutes to first exit polls but IIRC they lie and they start telling us about little subsamples and what they might or might not show until you lose the will to live.

    Initially they might report WHY people voted the way they did but you won't get any detail on HOW they voted until the poll has closed in the state/house seat (11pm GMT earliest).
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Wow, you people buried the lede on the Kari Lake comments to the press

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1590070993808244741

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159
    Cookie said:

    Alistair said:

    Dems are being obliterated in Washoe.

    Dems - 2935
    GOP - 7892

    That is horrendous for the Dems

    Clark is not great for them either. Ralston looking more as though he is calling it for GOP.

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590082374674501633

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590075685070024704
    The hope is that Biden gets a massive kick up the arse from this, stops pandering to the identarian left and starts governing like a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama and beats off Trump as a result, but as a centrist.
    He won't be able to govern at all with a Congress controlled by a Trump infested GOP.
  • Hypothesis - banging on about abortion puts off voters.

    After Dobbs the GOP got all excited and started banging on about abortion bans.

    This put off voters - see the Kansas referendum.

    The GOP got worried and went quieter and/or more moderated about abortion.

    The Dems took the wrong message from Kansas.

    They thought that focussing on abortion would be good for them.

    So the Dems started banging on about abortion and this has put off voters.

    The reality being that most voters are more interested in other things.

    And that those voters who are obsessed about abortion will be voting in any case.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    DavidL said:

    According to CNN 40 minutes to first exit polls but IIRC they lie and they start telling us about little subsamples and what they might or might not show until you lose the will to live.

    Initially they might report WHY people votes the way they did but you won't get any detail on HOW they votes until the poll has closed in the state/house seat (11pm GMT earliest).
    It amazes me Americans don't burn their MSM down out of sheer frustration. And then Mike's point "many state results not expected for days."
  • Yeah, think I'll go to bed and get up at 5am.

    Can't be arsed and working tomorrow.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    DavidL said:

    According to CNN 40 minutes to first exit polls but IIRC they lie and they start telling us about little subsamples and what they might or might not show until you lose the will to live.

    The key 'women aged 32 to 35 group had 52% saying inflation was more important than Covid on Sundays' stats
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    According to CNN 40 minutes to first exit polls but IIRC they lie and they start telling us about little subsamples and what they might or might not show until you lose the will to live.

    Initially they might report WHY people votes the way they did but you won't get any detail on HOW they votes until the poll has closed in the state/house seat (11pm GMT earliest).
    It amazes me Americans don't burn their MSM down out of sheer frustration. And then Mike's point "many state results not expected for days."
    You mean they haven't?
  • Hypothesis - banging on about abortion puts off voters.

    After Dobbs the GOP got all excited and started banging on about abortion bans.

    This put off voters - see the Kansas referendum.

    The GOP got worried and went quieter and/or more moderated about abortion.

    The Dems took the wrong message from Kansas.

    They thought that focussing on abortion would be good for them.

    So the Dems started banging on about abortion and this has put off voters.

    The reality being that most voters are more interested in other things.

    And that those voters who are obsessed about abortion will be voting in any case.

    I was chatting to a former Tory strategist this evening.

    He reckons this proves anti-trans stuff will do bugger all for the Tories when people are facing a choice between heating and eating.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765
    Only a few days left until Williamson is appointed to a new role.
  • kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Alistair said:

    Dems are being obliterated in Washoe.

    Dems - 2935
    GOP - 7892

    That is horrendous for the Dems

    Clark is not great for them either. Ralston looking more as though he is calling it for GOP.

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590082374674501633

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590075685070024704
    The hope is that Biden gets a massive kick up the arse from this, stops pandering to the identarian left and starts governing like a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama and beats off Trump as a result, but as a centrist.
    Hasn't he already been doing so? The left of his party seem to hate him, quite frankly.
    And there's another thing.

    What's left of the American moderate right have got a choice to make. It's a really grim choice, one not to be wished on anyone, but a choice they have to make.

    There's a hefty chunk of the Republican Party that only really believes in raw power. At the moment, it isn't quite the whole party, but it's damn close. And after next week, it coud be the entirety of the self-understanding of the party.

    So, non-Trumpian Republicans, what is it to be? Back a party that is woker, more librtardy than you like, or back a party that doesn't really believe in democracy? Choose one.

    And we thought the options open to us in 2019 were bad...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159

    kinabalu said:

    Are we seeing enough to call the senate for the GOP now then? Can still get 1.33.

    If the GOP gain Nevada then the Dems need to win AZ, PA and GA to keep the 50-50 split.

    Also if the GOP are doing well in Nevada then perhaps their chances are better than the 1.94 you can get on them winning in Arizona.
    I've acted. Senate at 1.35. May as well cushion the horror.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Oooh. Exciting
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    We waited 41minutes to get an answer from 111 and then got disconnected. We have now been waiting more than another 30 minutes. This is really not a health service, it is a disgrace.
  • Yeah, think I'll go to bed and get up at 5am.

    Can't be arsed and working tomorrow.

    Same, so I can watch the England v India semi final on Thursday I brought my meetings forward to 8am on Wednesday.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662

    It is all the fault of the French as usual.

    Over the weekend Fifa’s leadership sent out a letter asking the participating countries to refrain from any further discussion of Qatar’s human rights record and urging them to “focus on the football”.

    The message does not appear to have reached Blatter, 86, who suggested this morning that the World Cup was being held in Qatar only because of political arm-twisting from Paris.

    “Qatar is a mistake,” he told the Tages-Anzeiger, a newspaper in his native Switzerland. “The choice was bad.”

    Blatter, who favoured holding the tournament in the US instead, alleged that Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president at the time, had lobbied on Qatar’s behalf in return for a £12.7 billion order from Doha for French fighter jets.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/qatari-world-cup-ambassador-calls-homosexuality-damage-in-the-mind-hlv7q8ttm

    Not much point whinging about it now. The die was cast some time ago to have homophobic dictators as hosts. I went to the 2018 one and had a great time. Homosexuality was an imprisonment offence when we hosted it here in 1966. Argentina hosted it while a dictatorship, so did China.

    If we restrict international tournaments to countries considered worthy then they won't be truly international. Just enjoy the footy.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Omnium said:

    Only a few days left until Williamson is appointed to a new role.

    He is being replaced by newcomer, William Gavinson
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,994
    edited November 2022

    DavidL said:

    According to CNN 40 minutes to first exit polls but IIRC they lie and they start telling us about little subsamples and what they might or might not show until you lose the will to live.

    The key 'women aged 32 to 35 group had 52% saying inflation was more important than Covid on Sundays' stats
    69% of women aged 18-29 prefer the taste of whiskers than being ogled by middle aged men on their travels.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited November 2022

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Alistair said:

    Dems are being obliterated in Washoe.

    Dems - 2935
    GOP - 7892

    That is horrendous for the Dems

    Clark is not great for them either. Ralston looking more as though he is calling it for GOP.

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590082374674501633

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590075685070024704
    The hope is that Biden gets a massive kick up the arse from this, stops pandering to the identarian left and starts governing like a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama and beats off Trump as a result, but as a centrist.
    Hasn't he already been doing so? The left of his party seem to hate him, quite frankly.
    And there's another thing.

    What's left of the American moderate right have got a choice to make. It's a really grim choice, one not to be wished on anyone, but a choice they have to make.

    There's a hefty chunk of the Republican Party that only really believes in raw power. At the moment, it isn't quite the whole party, but it's damn close. And after next week, it coud be the entirety of the self-understanding of the party.

    So, non-Trumpian Republicans, what is it to be? Back a party that is woker, more librtardy than you like, or back a party that doesn't really believe in democracy? Choose one.
    I think the choice has already been made. Given what the results may look like, which side will be encouraged in their choice?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited November 2022

    Hypothesis - banging on about abortion puts off voters.

    After Dobbs the GOP got all excited and started banging on about abortion bans.

    This put off voters - see the Kansas referendum.

    The GOP got worried and went quieter and/or more moderated about abortion.

    The Dems took the wrong message from Kansas.

    They thought that focussing on abortion would be good for them.

    So the Dems started banging on about abortion and this has put off voters.

    The reality being that most voters are more interested in other things.

    And that those voters who are obsessed about abortion will be voting in any case.

    The Dems really, really haven't banged on about abortion. Campaign strategist advice was to soft peddle the issue,
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    DavidL said:

    According to CNN 40 minutes to first exit polls but IIRC they lie and they start telling us about little subsamples and what they might or might not show until you lose the will to live.

    The key 'women aged 32 to 35 group had 52% saying inflation was more important than Covid on Sundays' stats
    69% of women aged 18-29 prefer the taste of whiskers than being oiled by middle aged men on their travels.
    Which we know is a mixed signal for the Democrat chances in 2024
  • kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Are we seeing enough to call the senate for the GOP now then? Can still get 1.33.

    If the GOP gain Nevada then the Dems need to win AZ, PA and GA to keep the 50-50 split.

    Also if the GOP are doing well in Nevada then perhaps their chances are better than the 1.94 you can get on them winning in Arizona.
    I've acted. Senate at 1.35. May as well cushion the horror.
    Same, but only back3d at 1.34.

    I'd originally laid at 1.47 so cashed out of that and reversed it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,558
    FPT

    Under the proposed new boundaries I am no longer in a Newcastle seat, despite living within the city limits. Not a fan.

    Which seat are you in now IYDMMA?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Republican Majority in the House of Representatives @1.06 is a money purchase order is it not?
  • Andy_JS said:

    The new golden rule of politics: betting on Gavin Williamson being the next out of cabinet.

    Was there any betting? I could not find any when I looked, and assumed bookies were ducking Suella Braverman.
  • BalrogBalrog Posts: 207

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Are we seeing enough to call the senate for the GOP now then? Can still get 1.33.

    If the GOP gain Nevada then the Dems need to win AZ, PA and GA to keep the 50-50 split.

    Also if the GOP are doing well in Nevada then perhaps their chances are better than the 1.94 you can get on them winning in Arizona.
    I've acted. Senate at 1.35. May as well cushion the horror.
    Same, but only back3d at 1.34.

    I'd originally laid at 1.47 so cashed out of that and reversed it.
    I backed at an average of about 1.45. Not very exciting odds, but a good return for a week if it happens.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652

    Hypothesis - banging on about abortion puts off voters.

    After Dobbs the GOP got all excited and started banging on about abortion bans.

    This put off voters - see the Kansas referendum.

    The GOP got worried and went quieter and/or more moderated about abortion.

    The Dems took the wrong message from Kansas.

    They thought that focussing on abortion would be good for them.

    So the Dems started banging on about abortion and this has put off voters.

    The reality being that most voters are more interested in other things.

    And that those voters who are obsessed about abortion will be voting in any case.

    Did they? I thought they were banging on about Trump, which has mitigated the grave damage from the macro-economic fundamentals.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,055
    Foxy said:

    It is all the fault of the French as usual.

    Over the weekend Fifa’s leadership sent out a letter asking the participating countries to refrain from any further discussion of Qatar’s human rights record and urging them to “focus on the football”.

    The message does not appear to have reached Blatter, 86, who suggested this morning that the World Cup was being held in Qatar only because of political arm-twisting from Paris.

    “Qatar is a mistake,” he told the Tages-Anzeiger, a newspaper in his native Switzerland. “The choice was bad.”

    Blatter, who favoured holding the tournament in the US instead, alleged that Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president at the time, had lobbied on Qatar’s behalf in return for a £12.7 billion order from Doha for French fighter jets.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/qatari-world-cup-ambassador-calls-homosexuality-damage-in-the-mind-hlv7q8ttm

    Not much point whinging about it now. The die was cast some time ago to have homophobic dictators as hosts. I went to the 2018 one and had a great time. Homosexuality was an imprisonment offence when we hosted it here in 1966. Argentina hosted it while a dictatorship, so did China.

    If we restrict international tournaments to countries considered worthy then they won't be truly international. Just enjoy the footy.
    I go back and forwards on this point. Presently I agree with you, up until I next see a persuasive argument to always defend inalienable human rights through actions in sport.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765
    Scott_xP said:

    Omnium said:

    Only a few days left until Williamson is appointed to a new role.

    He is being replaced by newcomer, William Gavinson
    Well at least he (your newcomer) has a proper British name. (Gavin seems an ugly name to me, but I've just checked on wikipedia, and it turns out that there are quite a few - Imagine if Williamson is your pinnacle!)

    Williamson has long been top of my list as people that could cause me to leave the Conservative party should they ever become leader.
  • Andy_JS said:

    The new golden rule of politics: betting on Gavin Williamson being the next out of cabinet.

    Was there any betting? I could not find any when I looked, and assumed bookies were ducking Suella Braverman.
    William Hill have a market but Gavin Williamson doesn't count as he was not a member of the full cabinet, merely attending cabinet.

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2022/10/27/the-next-cabinet-minister-to-go/

    https://sports.williamhill.com/betting/en-gb/politics/OB_EV25658077/next-cabinet-member-to-leave
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    According to CNN 40 minutes to first exit polls but IIRC they lie and they start telling us about little subsamples and what they might or might not show until you lose the will to live.

    Initially they might report WHY people votes the way they did but you won't get any detail on HOW they votes until the poll has closed in the state/house seat (11pm GMT earliest).
    It amazes me Americans don't burn their MSM down out of sheer frustration. And then Mike's point "many state results not expected for days."
    We may not get the result from Georgia until December.

    (Ducks!)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Alistair said:

    Dems are being obliterated in Washoe.

    Dems - 2935
    GOP - 7892

    That is horrendous for the Dems

    Clark is not great for them either. Ralston looking more as though he is calling it for GOP.

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590082374674501633

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590075685070024704
    The hope is that Biden gets a massive kick up the arse from this, stops pandering to the identarian left and starts governing like a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama and beats off Trump as a result, but as a centrist.
    Hasn't he already been doing so? The left of his party seem to hate him, quite frankly.
    And there's another thing.

    What's left of the American moderate right have got a choice to make. It's a really grim choice, one not to be wished on anyone, but a choice they have to make.

    There's a hefty chunk of the Republican Party that only really believes in raw power. At the moment, it isn't quite the whole party, but it's damn close. And after next week, it coud be the entirety of the self-understanding of the party.

    So, non-Trumpian Republicans, what is it to be? Back a party that is woker, more librtardy than you like, or back a party that doesn't really believe in democracy? Choose one.

    And we thought the options open to us in 2019 were bad...
    The presidential race will focus the mind, I think. There are lots of people who know it can't be Trump.
  • Taz said:
    Not happening.

    I have known about this sale for a while, professionally.

    I expect DIC to make a bid.

    I'd rather not be owned by a state.

    Some of the people who tried to buy Chelsea are also interested.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited November 2022
    Foxy said:

    It is all the fault of the French as usual.

    Over the weekend Fifa’s leadership sent out a letter asking the participating countries to refrain from any further discussion of Qatar’s human rights record and urging them to “focus on the football”.

    The message does not appear to have reached Blatter, 86, who suggested this morning that the World Cup was being held in Qatar only because of political arm-twisting from Paris.

    “Qatar is a mistake,” he told the Tages-Anzeiger, a newspaper in his native Switzerland. “The choice was bad.”

    Blatter, who favoured holding the tournament in the US instead, alleged that Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president at the time, had lobbied on Qatar’s behalf in return for a £12.7 billion order from Doha for French fighter jets.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/qatari-world-cup-ambassador-calls-homosexuality-damage-in-the-mind-hlv7q8ttm

    Not much point whinging about it now. The die was cast some time ago to have homophobic dictators as hosts. I went to the 2018 one and had a great time. Homosexuality was an imprisonment offence when we hosted it here in 1966. Argentina hosted it while a dictatorship, so did China.

    If we restrict international tournaments to countries considered worthy then they won't be truly international. Just enjoy the footy.
    I don't actually disagree, but that's an interesting attitude when in so many other things the spirit of the times, at least officially, is not to let things slide just because they were considered ok before.

    That's why some people will feel the pressure to comment or make a protest much more than others.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    ...
  • Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    Under the proposed new boundaries I am no longer in a Newcastle seat, despite living within the city limits. Not a fan.

    Which seat are you in now IYDMMA?
    Sunderland?
  • Alistair said:

    Hypothesis - banging on about abortion puts off voters.

    After Dobbs the GOP got all excited and started banging on about abortion bans.

    This put off voters - see the Kansas referendum.

    The GOP got worried and went quieter and/or more moderated about abortion.

    The Dems took the wrong message from Kansas.

    They thought that focussing on abortion would be good for them.

    So the Dems started banging on about abortion and this has put off voters.

    The reality being that most voters are more interested in other things.

    And that those voters who are obsessed about abortion will be voting in any case.

    The Dems really, really haven't banged on about abortion. Campaign strategist advice was to soft peddle the issue,
    Its what they've been spending their advert money on:

    In the immediate aftermath of the Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade, Democratic strategists insisted the 2022 midterms had fundamentally shifted.

    Rather than an election about the economy – focused on rising gas prices and inflation – they argued the election would now be a referendum on abortion rights and the Republicans working to limit women’s choices.

    Democrats put their money where their mouth was.

    In the month of October alone, Democratic campaigns and groups spent $214 million on broadcast TV ads that mentioned abortion, according to a CNN analysis of AdImpact data. That accounted for nearly half (45%) of all the ad money spent by the party over that time.


    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/democrats-losing-bet-abortion/index.html

    Plenty of similar stories in the media:

    Voters' Top Issue Is the Economy, But Democrats Hope Abortion Will Resonate More

    https://time.com/6225504/democrats-abortion-economy-midterms/

    Democrats in the United States are making abortion rights a central plank of their campaigns ahead of critical midterm elections, pumping an unprecedented amount of money into advertising on the issue.

    As the most intense period of campaigning begins, Democrats have already invested more than an estimated $124m this year in television advertising referencing abortion, according to an Associated Press analysis of data provided by nonpartisan research firm AdImpact.


    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/20/democrats-focus-on-abortion-ahead-of-us-midterms-spending-shows
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159
    Alistair said:

    Republican Majority in the House of Representatives @1.06 is a money purchase order is it not?

    Was at 1.11 yesterday imo.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Alistair said:

    Dems are being obliterated in Washoe.

    Dems - 2935
    GOP - 7892

    That is horrendous for the Dems

    Clark is not great for them either. Ralston looking more as though he is calling it for GOP.

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590082374674501633

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590075685070024704
    The hope is that Biden gets a massive kick up the arse from this, stops pandering to the identarian left and starts governing like a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama and beats off Trump as a result, but as a centrist.
    Hasn't he already been doing so? The left of his party seem to hate him, quite frankly.
    And there's another thing.

    What's left of the American moderate right have got a choice to make. It's a really grim choice, one not to be wished on anyone, but a choice they have to make.

    There's a hefty chunk of the Republican Party that only really believes in raw power. At the moment, it isn't quite the whole party, but it's damn close. And after next week, it coud be the entirety of the self-understanding of the party.

    So, non-Trumpian Republicans, what is it to be? Back a party that is woker, more librtardy than you like, or back a party that doesn't really believe in democracy? Choose one.

    And we thought the options open to us in 2019 were bad...
    The presidential race will focus the mind, I think. There are lots of people who know it can't be Trump.
    Of course, as has been oft pointed out even a decent night for the Republicans mid term would not presage disaster in the presidentials, in normal times. Perhaps you are right and come the election those critical people will swing behind the non-Trump candidate.

    But there seem a lot of factors which make for a nervous wait. All these election denying people now in a position of power, emboldened. A fractious left which never really liked how Biden ran last time, even if it was considered necessary. A Republican party which, when push comes to shove, always bent over. Uncertainty about who will even be running, and if they can marshall support as well.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    The Dems are having a bad time* because:

    (a) This is the first midterms, and parties usually get hammered in their first midterms
    (b) Biden is unpopular (if not quite Trump 2018 levels unpopular)
    (c) Gas prices are high, and interest rates have been rising, and everyone is feeling a bit poorer

    Under those circumstances, you would expect the Dems to perform poorly, and a result not dissimilar to their performance in 2010 (down 6 in the Senate), or 1994 (down 8!) wouldn't be that unsurprising.

    However... the Dems have been lucky. Firstly, abortion and Dobbs has undoubtedly motivated at least some voters. Secondly, the Republicans have picked some real crazies and charisma free candidates (see Masters, Blake; Vance, JD; Oz, Dr; and Walker, Herschel). Thirdly, the specter of Trump still hangs over the Republicans somewhat (even as some candidates seek to distance themselves.)

    * Disclaimer, we don't actually know the extent of the bad time yet
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    DavidL said:

    According to CNN 40 minutes to first exit polls but IIRC they lie and they start telling us about little subsamples and what they might or might not show until you lose the will to live.

    The key 'women aged 32 to 35 group had 52% saying inflation was more important than Covid on Sundays' stats
    69% of women aged 18-29 prefer the taste of whiskers than being ogled by middle aged men on their travels.
    I can well believe it given how popular moggies are with the ladies.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    Under the proposed new boundaries I am no longer in a Newcastle seat, despite living within the city limits. Not a fan.

    Which seat are you in now IYDMMA?
    Sunderland?
    That would be a hell of a Gerrymander.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,558

    Yeah, think I'll go to bed and get up at 5am.

    Can't be arsed and working tomorrow.

    Same, so I can watch the England v India semi final on Thursday I brought my meetings forward to 8am on Wednesday.
    Not forgetting about New Zealand v Pakistan tomorrow morning.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,945
    edited November 2022

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    ping said:

    Bad day for bitcoin

    Down 12.3%

    This seems to be the trigger;

    https://www.ft.com/content/8db7e24b-5a15-4856-b81e-a2027157aaad

    Although the big picture is surely the fed.

    Nope, it's FTX insolvency

    And worth pointing out it's not really about bitcoin - it's about other cryptos (mainly ftx's own token and solana, which they have a sh*t ton of, but there is zero liquidity to sell into, making it worthless if you actually try to sell it - btc doesn't have that kind of liquidity problem).

    Liquidity is just about how many mugs there are willing to hope there's a bigger mug there tomorrow.

    There's no revenue stream or assets underpinning the valuation. So if the stream of mugs runs dry, the liquidity vanishes.
    Yawn.
    What, no pithy retort of how I don't understand the technology?

    Or what kind of libertarian rejects pyramid scams?

    A scam is a scam is a scam, even if you have Madoff with a profit.
    We've had this debate and I don't feel like clogging up the board with it.

    You've made your point, and demonstrated your ignorance on the subject, time after time.

    If you don't like it - don't buy it. Simples.

    Very odd to revel in people's loss porn however. Facebook is down 70% or so from peak but I don't go round laughing at people who invested in FAANG stocks.

    You're a weird obsessive on a subject you know nothing about - par for the course on PB I guess. But as I say, if you don't like it, don't buy it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    edited November 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    Under the proposed new boundaries I am no longer in a Newcastle seat, despite living within the city limits. Not a fan.

    Which seat are you in now IYDMMA?
    A simple process of identifying the only Newcastle City ward not in a Newcastle seat.
    And the constituency that is in.
    A name change to Upper Tyne might make it more palatable.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270
    kinabalu said:

    Kari Lake says there will be a "come to Jesus" on election processes in Arizona after they win.

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1590069187967320065

    Is that the 'evangelicals count double' plan?
    I have a feeling the fraction 3/5 is involved.
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