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This has major betting implications – politicalbetting.com
This has major betting implications – politicalbetting.com
Officials will phone those members without an email over the weekend to urge them to add an email address to enable them to vote in the contest
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Looks like Rishi to to the Palace/Castle/House on Monday then. Sigh. Penny is the only one of the three capable of unifying things and appointing a broad cabinet but it seems clear few of them are in the mood for that.
Kier can happily put his wallpaper order in now. Sunak was a quite appalling campaigner in the summer, swinging between being touchy, whiney and smug. And that’s without commenting on him treating the British economy like Amber Heard does the marital bed. Also of course, he’s soft on Russia. Not surprising given his family’s business and political alignment with Modi.
There’s only one thing he could do to get me to vote for him and that’s to persuade Modi to ban the import of Russian oil.
Oh. Never mind.
Hard to miss.
Most MPs are now with ‘the script’. I’d love to be in the room when Johnson gets the offer he cannot refuse!
What do you reckon that figure is in the general adult population? 0.3%?
I think this is beginning, but I'm tentative on this, to move towards a conclusive Rishi win amongst MPs. It might be unopposed in the final vote.
But is there really any other job that Boris would take apart from PM, especially now that he's apparently taking home £150k a pop for speaking events?
I am bewildered.
Johnson’s choice will be to be a good boy, or blow up the party. TBF choosing the former isn’t a complete certainty, but I do think it is overwhelmingly likely.
On the other hand, some have many emails. I have two active email addresses, and several ones that see little activity.
The New Right buckles under its own contradictions.
Andrew Sullivan"
https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/the-tory-present-is-the-gops-future-bd7
And there's still the other elephant in the room of the Privileges Committee which is apparently sitting on damning material, so much so that Johnson could end up being booted out of Parliament.
Choosing him now would be insanity.
On the other hand, part of me would like to lance this boil. We would forever do away with this fallacious nonsense that "Johnson is always a winner".
Is it worth the two years of calamity just to prove that to the nutters and starry-eyed on the right though?
Let them launch a civil action in the courts if they want to.
On Monday they’ll find out they’ve wasted their time; what a shame.
This is the route to some semblance of sanity for the party.
Had a very nice sausage and brown sauce sarnie from the local greasy spoon. Nae bad either.
https://twitter.com/simonjhix/status/1582292972221390850?s=46&t=7FGxXGIQZTvH8YW0p5eX4w
Keir Starmer finds himself on the wrong side.
Again.
Yes, Johnson has a big ego, but he’ll be made to realise that he’d be taking on the party and could only take the job over its charred remains, with a small coterie of lunatic supporters, and would simply be signing up for the same eventual fate as Loopy.
A life of grief, hard work that proves futile, a worse reputation than now, destroying the narrative inside his head that his last PM’ship was going swimmingly until he was betrayed. And maybe removing the chance of a second coming, still, after an election defeat.
The vox pops from Uxbridge were astonishing with many saying he should come back and this has been replicated elsewhere
This questions the value of these or more specifically the journalists who may well be seeking out this response
Who knows?
40 % Conservative 36% Labour and 10% lib Dem
Wait until they start getting their gas and electricity bills this autumn.
English and Scots can unite in enjoying a classic British dish 👌
(Cast your nets?)
He will rejoin the single market as soon as he wins, just as he junked the socialists after he became Labour leader and no longer needed them.
https://twitter.com/benkentish/status/1583518870304083968?s=46&t=Q3QGkqiGK-2TR2cSBtaR7g
CR mistakenly seems to think this is because of left-wing bile but it really isn't. It's because I hate seeing the economy tank, prices soar, mortgages under threat and the country become an international laughing stock. We desperately need stability.
If the left-winger in me were in control I'd want anarchy and mayhem until Labour wins.
I don't. I want us as a nation to get back on track. If that staunches tory losses at the next GE, so be it. The nation's wellbeing comes first.
Not sure I would agree with that. Boris appeals more to small business owning members in my experience. They are often younger and will be linked to e-mail.
Some of the most vehemently anti-Boris voices in the local party were ladies of a certain age.
More not news.
But if it does happen, then Brexiteers and Europhobes will have no reason to complain. Brexit has not damaged the country and destroyed the Conservative Party; Brexiteers and their one-eyed monomania have.
I don't think @Casino_Royale is right about this (and seems to be in a really, really, bad mood this morning). Whilst I agree that ultimately Starmer may want to propose us rejoining in some form or other, that is in no way his priority. Certainly not during Labour's first term anyway. I could see it being put back to a public vote as part of Labour's manifesto for a second term.
So he is not "lying" in my view. Just too strong.
Be nice to one another and have a great Saturday.
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20681698.two-thirds-scots-want-rejoin-eu/
And that was in August. The UK-wide data indicates that things have swung even more to the pro-Europe side since then.
Starmer has made some appalling strategic choices, and being pro-Brexit is one of the biggest. An epic fail.
If the Tories pick Boris they are finished as a Party.
Ignore the boor.
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Remove the BNP, UKIP and Faragist entryists and it is only a vacant shell left.
Even the Lib Dems are not running on a Rejoin manifesto at the next GE. The plan is to rejoin the SM and allow public opinion to continue to move further towards Rejoin.
I suspect Rejoin will be in a major party's manifesto in England before the decade is out.
As I've said time and time before going back to the status-quo antebellum (or worse) offers no peace and no enduring settlement.
The fact that Brexit has been challenging doesn't vindicate anyone who argued against it and therefore justify going back to square one, learning and forgetting nothing in so doing.
All the old problems of our EU membership will simply re-emerge again, with bells on, and it will just perpetuate the conflict.
You just want to shoot this down, now, because you're desperate for him to win. He's a pointlessly dull tactical triangulator, nothing more.
Btw, you're someone who I used to respect, but no longer do because you decided to go off the deep-end and become a hyperpartisan bore and a pound-shop Damian McBride, fuelled by Twitter. I know I'm not alone because several people messaged me privately to say the same.
Reflect on that.
That's exactly what that detailed polling showed. Only one third want to rejoin the single market. Rejoin is a proxy for unhappy, when you look at the detail most people don't even want EFTA/EEA nevermind the EU.
Members and activists are obsessed with who would win them an election.
But that’s the wrong target. The Tories’ big mistake has been to put their own political success ahead of all other considerations - and the combination of Johnson and Truss has brought the country to the brink of political and financial collapse.
More than having a good campaigner, the Tories need their reputation for economic competence, without which they’ll be going naked into elections for years to come. Older, wiser Tories know this from experience.
It may indeed be too late - but the ‘grandees’ are focusing on economic stability as the primary goal, not having a good election campaigner. Rishi will probably be a crap campaigner; they’ll worry about that when it comes (they managed with Mrs May, just). Sensible Tories have realised that market confidence is now the primary objective; only Sunak fits the bill - Penny will have to wait, and Johnson will have to go hang.
Everywhere has its problems but the Uk is still doing just fine and there are few finer places on earth to while away life. Our main problem is everyone likes a good moan too much. Stop engaging with the political psychodrama entirely and nonsense news cycles and life is immeasurably better.
It might take 5-10 years to get there.
A hypothetical independent Scotland, of course, would be a realistic candidate.
Everyone has their own security model but mine is to keep the hell away from Meta and Google wherever possible.
On topic, plenty of young people have email but don’t use it, instead defaulting to (yes) WhatsApp. It’s a racing certainty very few of them are Tory members though.
Ironically this is what has been consistently proposed by the Conservatives and vetoed by the EU which wanted to federalise the entire EEA.
So far the penny hasn’t dropped in Brussels but we can keep hoping.
"The fact that Brexit has been challenging ..."
It's been challenging because Brexiteers promised everyone everything in order to gain votes in 2016, and then proceeded to sideline anyone who was not 100% in favour of the process. The current chaos is not down to Brexit; it is down to the Brexiteers and Europhobes. Everyone whose first thoughts turn to 'Europe!'.
I've developed a certain amount of contempt for people who viewed Europe as the Number One issue facing the country, deposed Cameron and then May, and backed Boris because of his (laughable and non-existent) Europhobia. And now call Boris a wrong 'un.
The Conservatives don't deserve power until the ERG types are thrown out of the party, and the party can develop a rational approach to the real issues facing the country.
They've lost my vote for years now, and there's no sign they'll get it back soon.
If they're not careful the entire EU project could fall apart rapidly.
The choices next time round:
Vote Labour = Vote for Brexit
Vote Conservative = Vote for Brexit
Vote Liberal Democrat = Vote for Brexit
Vote SNP = Vote for EU membership
Yet again, the Unionist parties choose to fight against the mighty current of Scottish public opinion. Then they wonder why they’ve lost eleven elections in a row. And are rapidly heading for number twelve.
It's *possible* to use email and leak less information to Meta and Google than Whats App would, but you probably won't get that effect unless the people at both ends are trying hard and know what they're doing.
Brexit is being tarnished as a side effect of the Tories’ psychodrama; for those who want a more positive and pragmatic relationship with the EU, there’s no need to do anything now other than watch and wait. When the time comes it’ll be an open door.
Starmer may or may not have lied, he may or may not have changed his mind given the way events unfolded when he became leader. It is a debatable point, not an objective one.
I am certainly desperate for this utterly destructive period of Tory government to end, of that there is no doubt.
Whether you respect me or not is of absolutely no concern to me whatsoever. You’re not interesting enough for that. My gentle suggestion to you is to ignore me.
SNP 58%
SLab 22%
SLD 7%
Grn 3%
Ref 3%
SCon 3%
oth 3%
(yesterday’s People Polling/GB News)
See me quaking in my boots.
Only problem is, it’s not fear, it’s laughter.
They will nominate him. MPs will vote for Sunak with increasingly hard warnings about what happens with a Johnson win.
And members will vote for Johnson, triggering the final battle in the Tory civil war. Then a GE. With REFUK once again standing only against Tory MPs not mentalist enough.
Tell me I am wrong on the two key points:
1. Boris gets 100+ nominations
2. Members will vote for Boris
Next bad headline - Truss’s money for life - it should be pro-rata for a full term:
I pointed this out a couple of weeks ago. These payments were set up in 1990 when MPs (on all sides) felt very sorry for Thatcher, ejected after 11½ years having been an MP since 1959 with no other earnings 31 years. This was NOT designed for a 2-month premiership.
https://twitter.com/thejeremyvine/status/1583695505707610112
"Reflect on that"
The EPC would have been laughed at the room by the likes of you several years ago. Now, it is here.
You're an idiot.
The Lib Dems as mendacious as the Tories and Labourites? I’m shocked I tells ya. Shocked.
At one point, I was looking forward to going for a pint with you.
But, no longer. It's very sad.
I probably persist with you because, deep-down, I care and hope you can change back.
I am far from obsessed with Europe.