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  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,651
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Paragraph 3: mere venom.

    Same header writer, about Mordaunt, in July: '“I have never supported self-ID” she trills.'

    "She trills." Trills. Because trilling is what women do.

    I don't know what we are looking at here, jealousy-inspired misogyny against a younger and more successful woman seems probable, but it doesn't look good or do the site any favours.

    The most ludicrous part of this post is the idea that your criticism is somehow against, rather than for, misogyny.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,519

    Andy_JS said:

    Jacob Rees-Mogg has come out for Boris.
    What an odious creep.

    Doesn't he realise the country might just possibly be sick and tired of Johnson?
    Reckon JRM has been offered one of the great jobs of state by Johnson
    Continuity Truss.

    Just what is needed....
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,618

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨EXCLUSIVE

    Boris Johnson is privately urging Rishi Sunak to join forces with him in a remarkable olive branch to his foe

    Ally of Boris tells @Telegraph: “If the Tories are serious about winning in 2024 + want to stop a general election before then they need to revert to the…”

    “…guy with a mandate who is a seasoned campaigner. They need someone to take the fight to Labour. There’s no point going to a yellow box junction without knowing how you are going to get out of it. Rishi should make contact + work out how the two of them can get back together.”


    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583212562380120071

    Well if Rishi accepts its all over..Boris is the next PM
    Or the other way around.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,628

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨EXCLUSIVE

    Boris Johnson is privately urging Rishi Sunak to join forces with him in a remarkable olive branch to his foe

    Ally of Boris tells @Telegraph: “If the Tories are serious about winning in 2024 + want to stop a general election before then they need to revert to the…”

    “…guy with a mandate who is a seasoned campaigner. They need someone to take the fight to Labour. There’s no point going to a yellow box junction without knowing how you are going to get out of it. Rishi should make contact + work out how the two of them can get back together.”


    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583212562380120071

    That actually suggests a weakness in his support. Slightly more reassured now.
    Or he's trying to make himself look more reasonable to the sane MPs. Reach the 100.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,017

    If reckless/brainless attempt to make egomaniac Johnson PM again succeeds, Tory party is headed for split. May happen anyway. But just spoken to two Tory MPs who would resign the whip. Would surely be more. He wouldn't command a Commons majority. Collapses into election wipeout.

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1583154581676359680

    What was his view in 2019 when Boris lost his own majority? The same, I suspect. Most of these rent-a-gobs have very fixed views. Most of us do, but their views are rebroadcast as if sacred.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,395

    Andy_JS said:
    Mordaunt virtually out of it now too inexperienced...its sunak v bojo
    Sunak now 10/11, Johnson 7/2, Mordaunt 4/1. Genuine three horse race. I see no value at those odds.
    That's not the way to find a unity candidate.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,297
    Why would Rishi accept a deal from Boris?
    What’s in it for him?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,372
    WillG said:

    Given we know Truss wears a submissive day collar, are we sure the last six weeks weren't just an exercise in getting the biggest thrill possible from a humiliation fetish?

    Let's not dwell for too long on what her and Kwasi are doing to each other right now.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,519
    rcs1000 said:

    Agree entirely on Mordaunt - could one of her fans explain the attraction (as suitability for PM)?

    Surely one vacuous purveyor of soundbites is enough for one year?

    Taller than Sunak.
    Less dishonest than Johnson.
    Best hair in Westminster.

    Rises to the big occasions.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,372

    Why would Rishi accept a deal from Boris?
    What’s in it for him?

    It's mindgames.

    All psyops.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,867
    edited October 2022

    If reckless/brainless attempt to make egomaniac Johnson PM again succeeds, Tory party is headed for split. May happen anyway. But just spoken to two Tory MPs who would resign the whip. Would surely be more. He wouldn't command a Commons majority. Collapses into election wipeout.

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1583154581676359680

    Except on the Peston poll the Tories do no worse under Boris v Starmer than under Sunak

    https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1583136338169036807?s=20&t=ZYpOCRESlBB3GYc1Ye3QqA

    Both only trail Starmer by 13% as preferred PM, Truss trailed Starmer by 30% as preferred PM

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-labour-keeps-big-lead-over-pm-trusss-conservatives-poll-shows-2022-10-08/
  • Andy_JS said:
    Mordaunt virtually out of it now too inexperienced...its sunak v bojo
    Sunak now 10/11, Johnson 7/2, Mordaunt 4/1. Genuine three horse race. I see no value at those odds.
    Mordaunt has been pumped up but is inexperienced and has many weaknesses.Papers like the mail will come out for bojo over the weekend and members will pressure their MPs. Noone else but Bojo can save the redwall seats...they still love him there
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Scott_xP said:

    Genius front page from the Daily Star, who have had a brilliant Tory crisis. https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1583200422449147906/photo/1

    Best paper in Britain. Regularly nails it (even if its obsession with space and aliens is a bit @Leon)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Why would Rishi accept a deal from Boris?
    What’s in it for him?

    He's not winning a members vote against BoJo.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,017
    HYUFD said:

    If reckless/brainless attempt to make egomaniac Johnson PM again succeeds, Tory party is headed for split. May happen anyway. But just spoken to two Tory MPs who would resign the whip. Would surely be more. He wouldn't command a Commons majority. Collapses into election wipeout.

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1583154581676359680

    Except on the Peston poll the Tories do no worse under Boris v Starmer than under Sunak

    https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1583136338169036807?s=20&t=ZYpOCRESlBB3GYc1Ye3QqA
    Here we go. If you’re a Tory MP who isn’t bitterly opposed, you look at that and think “blimey, Boris could turn that around”.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Scouse mouse out at Villa
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Alistair said:

    I'm not saying Boris becoming PM again would be a legitimate reason for Scotland to Unilaterally Declare Independence that would be recognised by International case law but I am absolutely saying that.

    Legally even the SC would rule a UDI illegal as the union is a reserved matter to the UK government under the Scotland Act 1998 even if it decides a referendum isn't.

    Hence Sturgeon has also ruled out UDI, no nations recognised Catalonia's declaration of UDI in 2017
    Kosovo declared independence in 2008.
    Which then started a civil war
    Nope, the Kosovo civil war ended in 1999.
    KLA forces began a war to break away from Serbia, it was only the UN administration of the area for several years that led to international recognition of Kosovon independence. Though Russia and China have now withdrawn that recognition
    But the Kosovo UDI was in 2008, nine years after the war.
    The original Kosovo UDI was in 1990. In 2008 there was a second UDI. HYUFD is wrong to say that Russia and China have withdrawn recognition. They never recognised Kosovo's independence in the first place, and neither did Spain, Greece or Cyprus, for that matter.
  • Andy_JS said:
    Mordaunt virtually out of it now too inexperienced...its sunak v bojo
    Sunak now 10/11, Johnson 7/2, Mordaunt 4/1. Genuine three horse race. I see no value at those odds.
    Mordaunt has been pumped up but is inexperienced and has many weaknesses.Papers like the mail will come out for bojo over the weekend and members will pressure their MPs. Noone else but Bojo can save the redwall seats...they still love him there
    So you would back him at 7/2 then? Plenty of liquidity on Betfair. Go ahead.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Why would Rishi accept a deal from Boris?
    What’s in it for him?

    Piece of cake and a fifty quid fine?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    EPG said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Paragraph 3: mere venom.

    Same header writer, about Mordaunt, in July: '“I have never supported self-ID” she trills.'

    "She trills." Trills. Because trilling is what women do.

    I don't know what we are looking at here, jealousy-inspired misogyny against a younger and more successful woman seems probable, but it doesn't look good or do the site any favours.

    The most ludicrous part of this post is the idea that your criticism is somehow against, rather than for, misogyny.
    Not familiar with your work, but you are not intelligent enough to post here. Go away.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    kinabalu said:

    Agree entirely on Mordaunt - could one of her fans explain the attraction (as suitability for PM)?

    Surely one vacuous purveyor of soundbites is enough for one year?

    Depends what the point of the government is for the next 24 months.

    If it's to do what the bond markets tell Jeremy Hunt to do, Mordaunt is probably fine to front that. We'll need some vacuous soundbites to get us through the winter and Rishi might be a bit too sleek to sound concerned convincingly.
    A neg for Sunak is ironically what cyclefree alludes to as his usp - "I told you so!"

    Those in the party who hate him probably hate him even more for that.

    Still, he annoys all the right people on the loony wing as far as I'm concerned. Quite like to see him get it.
    Once tory mps hear from the members this weekend bojo is a shoe in
    You are in fact B. Johnson and I claim my £5.
    Surely you are mistaken, Mr Northern? He has not said "Phew", "Crikey" or "Wa-wa-wa-wa-well, ahh, ummm, yes" in any posts.
  • Why would Rishi accept a deal from Boris?
    What’s in it for him?

    It's mindgames.

    All psyops.
    Actually under the clown exterior Boris is an expert at psychological manipulation....a very cunning individual and formidable opponent
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,297
    edited October 2022
    Alistair said:

    Why would Rishi accept a deal from Boris?
    What’s in it for him?

    He's not winning a members vote against BoJo.
    That depends.
    He could go in with (say) 250 votes and frankly dare the membership to refuse him.

    If they then imposed Johnson over the clear choice of MPs, the political crisis would continue and I genuinely think the Tory Party could collapse under the pressure.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited October 2022
    Boris zooming out on betfair

    There must be some news/rumour
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,372
    Boris has drifted to 8s all of a sudden. He was at 4.5 only 10 minutes ago.
  • Andy_JS said:
    Mordaunt virtually out of it now too inexperienced...its sunak v bojo
    Sunak now 10/11, Johnson 7/2, Mordaunt 4/1. Genuine three horse race. I see no value at those odds.
    Mordaunt has been pumped up but is inexperienced and has many weaknesses.Papers like the mail will come out for bojo over the weekend and members will pressure their MPs. Noone else but Bojo can save the redwall seats...they still love him there
    So you would back him at 7/2 then? Plenty of liquidity on Betfair. Go ahead.
    Wow !! He's suddenly out to 7/1.

    Get on, mate.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,757
    Scott_xP said:

    🚨EXCLUSIVE

    Boris Johnson is privately urging Rishi Sunak to join forces with him in a remarkable olive branch to his foe

    Ally of Boris tells @Telegraph: “If the Tories are serious about winning in 2024 + want to stop a general election before then they need to revert to the…”

    “…guy with a mandate who is a seasoned campaigner. They need someone to take the fight to Labour. There’s no point going to a yellow box junction without knowing how you are going to get out of it. Rishi should make contact + work out how the two of them can get back together.”


    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583212562380120071

    Is it just me or is that "ally of Boris Johnson" quite obviously Boris Johnson himself?
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    The 1922 are utter morons for giving members any say.

    This is the third time I’ve posted on this.

    And if you keep posting it, I'll have to keep reminding you that they had no choice.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Hunt could kill Boris Johnson's chances stone dead tomorrow by saying he couldn't work with him and letting the markets give MPs a demonstration of the risks they'd be taking. He won't but he could.

    https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1583213799149998080
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    Are a minimum of 100 MPs and membership that stupid? You’d be looking at an immediate Tory split and increased calls for a general election

    Yes. Yes they are.
    Well then Boris is serious value. Still a bit looking to lay 4.3ish. I’ll sleep on it.
  • sbjme19sbjme19 Posts: 194
    Chope and Bone on Newsnight and some bring back Boris wrinklies in the street. Does the BBC ever interview any young people?
  • Gerrard sacked.

    That Villa Board don't mess about. Could teach the '22 Committee a thing or two.
  • RunDeepRunDeep Posts: 77
    The big story today should have been the final report by the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse. It has been - and probably will be - ignored because we have an utterly dysfunctional and selfish party in government.

    Children were treated appallingly for decades. They will continue to be appallingly treated because, for all the fine words Ministers come out with, they simply don't care about safeguarding children. Not the Tories, not Labour, not the Lib Dems, not the smaller parties. None of them do.

    The political shenanigans of the last few weeks and the days to come may be interesting and amusing but the failures of governance which result and which have been endemic for too long have real and dreadful consequences for children.

    Today should have been, in Susanna Rustin's words in the Guardian, "a day of reckoning" with this country's decades of failure in child protection. More shamefully, there is is little chance that anything will really improve for the better.
  • Boris has drifted to 8s all of a sudden. He was at 4.5 only 10 minutes ago.

    Could be a betting manouvre by someone close to Boris to make him look like an underdog
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,618

    rcs1000 said:

    Agree entirely on Mordaunt - could one of her fans explain the attraction (as suitability for PM)?

    Surely one vacuous purveyor of soundbites is enough for one year?

    Taller than Sunak.
    Less dishonest than Johnson.
    Best hair in Westminster.

    Rises to the big occasions.
    If the Daily Mail hates her that much she can’t be all bad.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    If Boris doesnt make 100 this will be over Monday teatime
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited October 2022

    Boris has drifted to 8s all of a sudden. He was at 4.5 only 10 minutes ago.

    Could be a betting manouvre by someone close to Boris to make him look like an underdog
    With respect, that’s absurd.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,017

    Hunt could kill Boris Johnson's chances stone dead tomorrow by saying he couldn't work with him and letting the markets give MPs a demonstration of the risks they'd be taking. He won't but he could.

    https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1583213799149998080

    I just had the tiniest nibble on Hunt for next PM. I’m thinking “events” over the weekend.

    “I didn’t want to stand but….”
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,519

    WillG said:

    Are a minimum of 100 MPs and membership that stupid? You’d be looking at an immediate Tory split and increased calls for a general election

    Yes and yes.
    Do you think the 100+ MPs are actual true believers in Boris? Or just weaklings bullied by their Associations?
    Who cares? They're dipsticks either way.
    Not if they TELL their associations they are voting for Boris - but have no intention of doing so on the day. They have kept their association onside for the election.
  • Are a minimum of 100 MPs and membership that stupid? You’d be looking at an immediate Tory split and increased calls for a general election

    Yes. Yes they are.
    Well then Boris is serious value. Still a bit looking to lay 4.3ish. I’ll sleep on it.
    Too late. Sevens now.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited October 2022

    Gerrard sacked.

    That Villa Board don't mess about. Could teach the '22 Committee a thing or two.

    Tbf Villa were even worse than Leeds tonight. Two teams likely to drop
    And Scouse Mouse is a dreadful manager
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,867

    Gerrard sacked.

    That Villa Board don't mess about. Could teach the '22 Committee a thing or two.

    It is not the sacking that was the problem, it is the replacement process
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,372

    Boris has drifted to 8s all of a sudden. He was at 4.5 only 10 minutes ago.

    Could be a betting manouvre by someone close to Boris to make him look like an underdog
    Feels like a brewing news story/poll to be announced very soon and someone trading on it to me.

    Or Rishi's team could be dumping money on him.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,017

    Gerrard sacked.

    That Villa Board don't mess about. Could teach the '22 Committee a thing or two.

    Boris to Villa and Gerard for Number 10?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,273
    So Sunak would come in as chancellor again after resigning over Johnson’s behaviour with the oaf back as PM . This would be Lindsay Graham levels of shame and hypocrisy and I just can’t see Sunak doing this .
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Penny definitely gets the Lads Dads vote
  • Hes back into 6/1 on betfair
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Andy_JS said:
    Mordaunt virtually out of it now too inexperienced...its sunak v bojo
    Sunak now 10/11, Johnson 7/2, Mordaunt 4/1. Genuine three horse race. I see no value at those odds.
    . Noone else but Bojo can save the redwall seats...they still love him there
    Labour lead by 40% in the Red Wall.

    Red Wall Voting Intention (16-17 October):

    Labour 61% (–)
    Conservative 21% (-2)
    Reform UK 8% (+5)
    Liberal Democrat 5% (-2)
    Green 3% (-1)
    Plaid Cymru 1% (–)
    Other 1% (–)

    Changes +/- 3-4 October


    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1582401118700568576

    Con were trailing Labour under Johnson - and stayed pretty steady after he left until the min-budget collapse set in:


  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,559
    nico679 said:

    So Sunak would come in as chancellor again after resigning over Johnson’s behaviour with the oaf back as PM . This would be Lindsay Graham levels of shame and hypocrisy and I just can’t see Sunak doing this .

    Officially Sunak resigned over a policy disagreement.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,297
    Driver said:

    The 1922 are utter morons for giving members any say.

    This is the third time I’ve posted on this.

    And if you keep posting it, I'll have to keep reminding you that they had no choice.
    Well, you’re simply wrong about it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,519

    Boris has drifted to 8s all of a sudden. He was at 4.5 only 10 minutes ago.

    Could be a betting manouvre by someone close to Boris to make him look like an underdog
    Feels like a brewing news story/poll to be announced very soon and someone trading on it to me.

    Or Rishi's team could be dumping money on him.
    His wife could seriously manipulate the markets just by looking what loose change is down the sofa!
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,781
    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    ping said:

    Boris lengthening

    4.5

    Much as I would like to see Hunt or Sunak for the good of the country, there is a little bit of me that would like to see Boris so that @hyufd can witness the carnage that will happen.
    It would be less than Truss left and would likely save some MPs seats as would Sunak
    I wasn't just talking about the election. Boris as PM would carry on with his lies and corruption. It was never ending so why would it end now. He would be emboldened. If he got in it would start all over again, starting with the privileges committee outcome.
    If you had read what I said earlier Boris would only become PM if most Tory MPs as well as members backed him, if not there would be a snap general election and he would only return as party leader and not PM unless he won that election
    ?????? What are you talking about 'If I read your earlier post'? You were responding to a post of mine where I was having a bit of fun about Boris getting appointed PM, nothing about what you posted earlier. This bit of fun has nothing to do with your earlier post'. It is completely unrelated. It was just a bit of fun, but with an underlying seriousness.

    Your comprehension of posts is appalling and just spoils the joy of the banter.
  • Weather or not you want it Report

    Air in Seattle remains crap, even worsening at times. Current AQI = 220, or world's worst.

    Good news is that conditions are fast improving out on the Washington coast, and are forecast to be substantially better in Puget Sound by Friday PM. When most of the smoke will be blown eastward (into the faces and lungs of folks in eastern WA) but also - and even better - it's forecast to RAIN and more than just sprinkling your windshield.

    But until then, it's a weird, hazy, smokey world out there. Even inside with windows shut can feel it in your eyes, throat and slight headache all the time. Yuck.

    As for our sister cities in Pacific North West, pleased to report that air in Vancouver, BC is improving (AQI = 137 = unhealthy sensitive groups) while Portland, OR is getting there (AQI = 183 = unhealthy for all).
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,017
    edited October 2022

    Andy_JS said:
    Mordaunt virtually out of it now too inexperienced...its sunak v bojo
    Sunak now 10/11, Johnson 7/2, Mordaunt 4/1. Genuine three horse race. I see no value at those odds.
    . Noone else but Bojo can save the redwall seats...they still love him there
    Labour lead by 40% in the Red Wall.

    Red Wall Voting Intention (16-17 October):

    Labour 61% (–)
    Conservative 21% (-2)
    Reform UK 8% (+5)
    Liberal Democrat 5% (-2)
    Green 3% (-1)
    Plaid Cymru 1% (–)
    Other 1% (–)

    Changes +/- 3-4 October


    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1582401118700568576

    Con were trailing Labour under Johnson - and stayed pretty steady after he left until the min-budget collapse set in:


    Look at the Reform line. The Tories are “really” on 30 and there will be “would not vote” effects here. The right leader could make this look quite different quite quickly (Labour will of course lead in these seats at the election - it’s a question of how much by).
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    The Prime Minster has to command the majority of the House. If it gets to the members and they return the second choice we'll have another clusterf*ck. Once we get the final two, the second should step aside (into a high office of state) and let the one most likely to command that majority take up office.

    I was struck in Truss's resignation speech about how she couldn't deliver the manifesto she was elected by Conservative members on. FFS Parliament to which she owes her position was elected on the basis of the 2019 GE. Manifestos are not holy writ, but to purport that something she campaigned on to the tiny selectorate of Tory members has greater priority than the whole UK electorate is tone deafness of the highest order.

    Hear hear. I also remarked on that second point ('mandate') a couple of threads ago! It's outrageous that HYUFD is still trying to claim that party members should have any involvement whatsoever.
    How dare you lie and distort my post to suit your agenda!!!!

    I made clear if party members reject the choice of MPs their choice does not become PM, instead only party leader in a snap general election
    That's still aborting the choise of MPs - and subverting the constitution. Where in Dicey or Bagehot does it say that Conservative Party members have the right to wreck the decisions of MPs?
    No it isn't, you idiot.

    If party members rejected the choice of MPs then as I said their choice for leader would never become PM unless they won the snap general election that would be triggered immediately
    But that is it. They're wrecking the MPs selection. Can't you get it into your head that you are giving Party members a veto over Parliamentary business?
    Yes as the voluntary party still is entitled to have a say in who their party leader is, just not who the PM is if it is not the same choice as MPs without a general election first
    But why should the party members be allowed to trigger an election at all? They'rte not MPs.
    Why are you even bothering to engage with him? It's not in the rules, and it's not happening.
    Sometimes there is just too much bollocks. It's

    worse than a Provencal boucherie window full of

    couilles.
    There is no point in engaging with him. He’s a

    nasty piece of work.
    That’s uncalled for. Criticise HY’s politics all you like (I do!) but nasty he is certainly not. He’s a nice guy who works hard in his community.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,273
    The New European had a front cover called Clown Nation before the oaf resigned and his return would cement that with bells and whistles .

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,664

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨EXCLUSIVE

    Boris Johnson is privately urging Rishi Sunak to join forces with him in a remarkable olive branch to his foe

    Ally of Boris tells @Telegraph: “If the Tories are serious about winning in 2024 + want to stop a general election before then they need to revert to the…”

    “…guy with a mandate who is a seasoned campaigner. They need someone to take the fight to Labour. There’s no point going to a yellow box junction without knowing how you are going to get out of it. Rishi should make contact + work out how the two of them can get back together.”


    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583212562380120071

    Is it just me or is that "ally of Boris Johnson" quite obviously Boris Johnson himself?
    Sunak-Johnson means no Hunt.

    And that means market meltdown???
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,519
    ping said:

    Boris zooming out on betfair

    There must be some news/rumour

    Mordaunt to drop out and endorse Rishi? In return for a guaranteed post she wants maybe.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,559
    @washingtonpost
    Musk said he will cut nearly 75 percent of Twitter’s staff if he takes control.


    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1583206149297696768
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    "45 days, 1 mini-Budget, 1 resignation, 2 monarchs, 2 Chancellors, 3 sackings and 3 PMQs."

    AND A PARTRIDGE IN A PEEAAARRR TREEEEEE
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,017

    Boris has drifted to 8s all of a sudden. He was at 4.5 only 10 minutes ago.

    Could be a betting manouvre by someone close to Boris to make him look like an underdog
    Feels like a brewing news story/poll to be announced very soon and someone trading on it to me.

    Or Rishi's team could be dumping money on him.
    His wife could seriously manipulate the markets just by looking what loose change is down the sofa!
    His wife could materially reduce our borrowing costs!
  • @CarlottaVance

    You are spot on, Carlotta. BJ was running a steady ten points behind when he was defenestrated, and Tory fortunes didn't fluctuate much until the clusterbudgetfukup.

    So why on earth would Boris2 restore the Party's fortunes? It's your Party, not mine, but if the members can't see the risk of extinction they deserve....well, to become extinct.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,372
    nico679 said:

    The New European had a front cover called Clown Nation before the oaf resigned and his return would cement that with bells and whistles .

    No-one reads or cares about the New European.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    @washingtonpost
    Musk said he will cut nearly 75 percent of Twitter’s staff if he takes control.


    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1583206149297696768

    He's going to fire all the bots?
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,035
    Con hold in Monmouthshire.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,867
    pancakes said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Alistair said:

    I'm not saying Boris becoming PM again would be a legitimate reason for Scotland to Unilaterally Declare Independence that would be recognised by International case law but I am absolutely saying that.

    Legally even the SC would rule a UDI illegal as the union is a reserved matter to the UK government under the Scotland Act 1998 even if it decides a referendum isn't.

    Hence Sturgeon has also ruled out UDI, no nations recognised Catalonia's declaration of UDI in 2017
    Kosovo declared independence in 2008.
    Which then started a civil war
    Nope, the Kosovo civil war ended in 1999.
    KLA forces began a war to break away from Serbia, it was only the UN administration of the area for several years that led to international recognition of Kosovon independence. Though Russia and China have now withdrawn that recognition
    But the Kosovo UDI was in 2008, nine years after the war.
    The original Kosovo UDI was in 1990. In 2008 there was a second UDI. HYUFD is wrong to say that Russia and China have withdrawn recognition. They never recognised Kosovo's independence in the first place, and neither did Spain, Greece or Cyprus, for that matter.
    I don't dispute they don't recognise Kosovan independence now. However in 2014 Russia cited the Kosovan independence declaration and the ICJ 2008 decision that it did not violate international law as also grounds for Crimean independence
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited October 2022

    ping said:

    Boris zooming out on betfair

    There must be some news/rumour

    Mordaunt to drop out and endorse Rishi? In return for a guaranteed post she wants maybe.
    In that case, Penny’s odds should go out, too. It hasn’t. It’s come in a little - and Sunak’s, a fair chunk.

    It’s something else. A big punter thinks they know something.
  • This from newspaper comments. The working classes want Boris

    No but talk on site (true working classes) is Boris or Labour
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,781

    Boris has drifted to 8s all of a sudden. He was at 4.5 only 10 minutes ago.

    Could be a betting manouvre by someone close to Boris to make him look like an underdog
    Why would they do that?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    @washingtonpost
    Musk said he will cut nearly 75 percent of Twitter’s staff if he takes control.


    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1583206149297696768

    Excellent choice Elon
  • vinovino Posts: 169

    @CarlottaVance

    You are spot on, Carlotta. BJ was running a steady ten points behind when he was defenestrated, and Tory fortunes didn't fluctuate much until the clusterbudgetfukup.

    So why on earth would Boris2 restore the Party's fortunes? It's your Party, not mine, but if the members can't see the risk of extinction they deserve....well, to become extinct.

    Voters like me would return to the tory fold - Boris still popular in my neck of the woods
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,915
    Sunak will become PM borne aloft by a huge majority of Cons MPs entering Westminster having been granted a Triumph or he will not come back at all.

    Are the Rishi options. And I tend to the former.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Driver said:

    The 1922 are utter morons for giving members any say.

    This is the third time I’ve posted on this.

    And if you keep posting it, I'll have to keep reminding you that they had no choice.
    Well, you’re simply wrong about it.
    No he is not. They are bound by the rules of the party - they don't make them. They can tinker at a low level with timetables and nomination requirements but that is all.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,867
    edited October 2022

    @CarlottaVance

    You are spot on, Carlotta. BJ was running a steady ten points behind when he was defenestrated, and Tory fortunes didn't fluctuate much until the clusterbudgetfukup.

    So why on earth would Boris2 restore the Party's fortunes? It's your Party, not mine, but if the members can't see the risk of extinction they deserve....well, to become extinct.

    30% of voters prefer Boris to Starmer with the new Peston poll. The current Tory poll rating is almost 10% worse than that. Sunak does exactly the same as Boris in terms of Starmer's lead ie 13% albeit only 27% of voters prefer Sunak to Starmer, still higher than prefer Truss however

    https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1583136338169036807?s=20&t=QZwlwLpQ9S93MS1BQAe7fg
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,035
    Lab just hold on in St Helens from a Lib Dem surge.
  • ping said:

    ping said:

    Boris zooming out on betfair

    There must be some news/rumour

    Mordaunt to drop out and endorse Rishi? In return for a guaranteed post she wants maybe.
    In that case, Penny’s odds should go out, too. It hasn’t. It’s come in a little - and Sunak’s, a fair chunk.

    It’s something else. A big punter thinks they know something.
    Huge movements on Betfair. Sunak in to 4/6 now; Mordaunt second fav. What's driving it?

    Maybe it's all those shrewdies from Skybet just back from the pub? ;)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,607
    edited October 2022

    Scouse mouse out at Villa

    Leeds fans booed at half time, chanted against their manager at the end.

    Good Leicester performance, defended set pieces well, Sideshow Bob as a centre-back is a new fans favourite. Leeds had a good passing game, and good movement off the ball but poor defending. Strange substitutions lost all shape.

    Leicester needs to follow up with an away win at Wolves. Only one home game before the World Cup, and that is Man City, so unlikely to be a clean sheet.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,531
    slade said:

    Con hold in Monmouthshire.

    Against most predictions by the boffins.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,867
    edited October 2022
    HYUFD said:

    @CarlottaVance

    You are spot on, Carlotta. BJ was running a steady ten points behind when he was defenestrated, and Tory fortunes didn't fluctuate much until the clusterbudgetfukup.

    So why on earth would Boris2 restore the Party's fortunes? It's your Party, not mine, but if the members can't see the risk of extinction they deserve....well, to become extinct.

    30% of voters prefer Boris to Starmer with the new Peston poll. The current Tory poll rating is almost 10% worse than that. Sunak does exactly the same as Boris in terms of Starmer's lead ie 13% albeit only 27% of voters prefer Sunak to Starmer, still higher than prefer Truss however

    https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1583136338169036807?s=20&t=QZwlwLpQ9S93MS1BQAe7fg
    EXCLUSIVE
    'Boris Johnson is privately urging Rishi Sunak to join forces with him in a remarkable olive branch to his foe

    Ally of Boris tells
    @Telegraph
    : “If the Tories are serious about winning in 2024 + want to stop a general election before then they need to revert to the…”

    “…guy with a mandate who is a seasoned campaigner. They need someone to take the fight to Labour. There’s no point going to a yellow box junction without knowing how you are going to get out of it. Rishi should make contact + work out how the two of them can get back together.”
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583212559473078273?s=20&t=Sp9_koRrb4aIdbWgzQyEcg
  • This from twitter

    Boris or Oblivion, they have two choices. It’s that simple for the

    @Conservatives

    party. Anyone that thinks otherwise will have an agenda or has their head in the sand. The party is FINISHED & neither Sunak or Mordaunt would change those polls.

    9:34 PM · Oct 20, 2022·Twitter for iPhone

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,020
    sbjme19 said:

    Chope and Bone on Newsnight and some bring back Boris wrinklies in the street. Does the BBC ever interview any young people?

    All at home on their phones.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,035
    slade said:

    Lab just hold on in St Helens from a Lib Dem surge.

    Con go from 518 to 74.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,297
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Driver said:

    The 1922 are utter morons for giving members any say.

    This is the third time I’ve posted on this.

    And if you keep posting it, I'll have to keep reminding you that they had no choice.
    Well, you’re simply wrong about it.
    No he is not. They are bound by the rules of the party - they don't make them. They can tinker at a low level with timetables and nomination requirements but that is all.
    He is wrong, because he assumes perhaps that the question in hand was the party leadership.

    Liz should have been told to resign as Prime Minister, but not as Party Leader.

  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    edited October 2022

    Driver said:

    The 1922 are utter morons for giving members any say.

    This is the third time I’ve posted on this.

    And if you keep posting it, I'll have to keep reminding you that they had no choice.
    Well, you’re simply wrong about it.
    Surely the party constitution has been quoted enough times? The 1922 Committee has to present a choice of candidates to the membership. The 1922 Committee also doesn't have the power to change the party constitution, and neither does the party Board. Trying to evade those rules would have precipitated a legal challenge.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,020
    ping said:

    Boris has drifted to 8s all of a sudden. He was at 4.5 only 10 minutes ago.

    Could be a betting manouvre by someone close to Boris to make him look like an underdog
    With respect, that’s absurd.
    These days absurd things are not inherently absurd.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,867

    This from twitter

    Boris or Oblivion, they have two choices. It’s that simple for the

    @Conservatives

    party. Anyone that thinks otherwise will have an agenda or has their head in the sand. The party is FINISHED & neither Sunak or Mordaunt would change those polls.

    9:34 PM · Oct 20, 2022·Twitter for iPhone

    Misleading, both Boris and Sunak would give the Tories an almost 10% poll bounce compared to what they were polling now under Truss with that Peston poll

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583212559473078273?s=20&t=Sp9_koRrb4aIdbWgzQyEcg
  • vinovino Posts: 169
    slade said:

    Lab just hold on in St Helens from a Lib Dem surge.

    Tactical voting by the Tories?
  • Why would Rishi accept a deal from Boris?
    What’s in it for him?

    It's mindgames.

    All psyops.
    Actually under the clown exterior Boris is an expert at psychological manipulation....a very cunning individual and formidable opponent
    And also clown interior. Are you on his payroll? If so, feckers being cheated. Good!
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,035
    slade said:

    slade said:

    Lab just hold on in St Helens from a Lib Dem surge.

    Con go from 518 to 74.
    slade said:

    slade said:

    Lab just hold on in St Helens from a Lib Dem surge.

    Con go from 518 to 74.
    Sorry - 514 to m78.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,607

    @washingtonpost
    Musk said he will cut nearly 75 percent of Twitter’s staff if he takes control.


    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1583206149297696768

    He's going to fire all the bots?
    Needs doing. Twitter is infested with them.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    Are a minimum of 100 MPs and membership that stupid? You’d be looking at an immediate Tory split and increased calls for a general election

    Yes. Yes they are.
    Well then Boris is serious value. Still a bit looking to lay 4.3ish. I’ll sleep on it.
    Too late. Sevens now.
    Why? I was talking about backing him. He’s longer now. I might back him at that price.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Foxy said:

    Scouse mouse out at Villa

    Leeds fans booed at half time, chanted against their manager at the end.

    Good Leicester performance, defended set pieces well, Sideshow Bob as a centre-back is a new fans favourite. Leeds had a good passing game, and good movement off the ball but poor defending. Strange substitutions lost all shape.

    Leicester needs to follow up with an away win at Wolves. Only one home game before the World Cup, and that is Man City, so unlikely to be a clean sheet.
    Leeds were awful
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,020
    Jonathan said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨EXCLUSIVE

    Boris Johnson is privately urging Rishi Sunak to join forces with him in a remarkable olive branch to his foe

    Ally of Boris tells @Telegraph: “If the Tories are serious about winning in 2024 + want to stop a general election before then they need to revert to the…”

    “…guy with a mandate who is a seasoned campaigner. They need someone to take the fight to Labour. There’s no point going to a yellow box junction without knowing how you are going to get out of it. Rishi should make contact + work out how the two of them can get back together.”


    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583212562380120071

    Well if Rishi accepts its all over..Boris is the next PM
    Or the other way around.
    The shameless can often outlast others by sheer stubborness.

    Clever tactics from Boris allies though - they've already come out of the blocks fast and established him as having momentum, it isn't obvious others would do better with the public (despite Boris's manifest unsuitability), and talk of him reaching out presents him as the guy to beat being generous, not a scrap between equals.

    Sunak doesn't have the force of will or talent to overcome Boris, and Mordaunt lacks the support.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Driver said:

    The 1922 are utter morons for giving members any say.

    This is the third time I’ve posted on this.

    And if you keep posting it, I'll have to keep reminding you that they had no choice.
    Well, you’re simply wrong about it.
    No he is not. They are bound by the rules of the party - they don't make them. They can tinker at a low level with timetables and nomination requirements but that is all.
    He is wrong, because he assumes perhaps that the question in hand was the party leadership.

    Liz should have been told to resign as Prime Minister, but not as Party Leader.

    Not remotely a serious suggestion.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,124
    Andy_JS said:

    slade said:

    Con hold in Monmouthshire.

    Against most predictions by the boffins.
    The Tory brand is simply stickier than it has ever been. Tremendous advances in the campaigning field in the last decade.

    Twitter hates it. But Twitter had Miliband, Remain, Corbyn and Sunak winning....
  • kjh said:

    Boris has drifted to 8s all of a sudden. He was at 4.5 only 10 minutes ago.

    Could be a betting manouvre by someone close to Boris to make him look like an underdog
    Why would they do that?
    Well, if they like losing money they might well do that, but most punters prefer it the other way round.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,020
    HYUFD said:

    This from twitter

    Boris or Oblivion, they have two choices. It’s that simple for the

    @Conservatives

    party. Anyone that thinks otherwise will have an agenda or has their head in the sand. The party is FINISHED & neither Sunak or Mordaunt would change those polls.

    9:34 PM · Oct 20, 2022·Twitter for iPhone

    Misleading, both Boris and Sunak would give the Tories an almost 10% poll bounce compared to what they were polling now under Truss with that Peston poll

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583212559473078273?s=20&t=Sp9_koRrb4aIdbWgzQyEcg
    Yet if Boris gets his nominations it doesn't seem likely members will believe that.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited October 2022
    slade said:

    slade said:

    Lab just hold on in St Helens from a Lib Dem surge.

    Con go from 518 to 74.
    And Labour go from 1547 to 656
    Not much change in Devauden either, the Labour poll surge continues to elude actual elections
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Got on Boris at 5.1 - not much liquidity. Price is very volatile.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,607

    Foxy said:

    Scouse mouse out at Villa

    Leeds fans booed at half time, chanted against their manager at the end.

    Good Leicester performance, defended set pieces well, Sideshow Bob as a centre-back is a new fans favourite. Leeds had a good passing game, and good movement off the ball but poor defending. Strange substitutions lost all shape.

    Leicester needs to follow up with an away win at Wolves. Only one home game before the World Cup, and that is Man City, so unlikely to be a clean sheet.
    Leeds were awful
    I was at the game. Certainly their heads dropped after they conceeded the second, though they did manage about 20 min of pressure second half. They could well be sacked into a relegation battle again.

    Leicester are looking much more cohesive in recent games. A long way to go, but I think we will end up mid table.
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