An embarrassment of riches …. or maybe just an embarrassment. – politicalbetting.com
An embarrassment of riches …. or maybe just an embarrassment. – politicalbetting.com
Farewell then Liz Truss: 45 days, 1 mini-Budget, 1 resignation, 2 monarchs, 2 Chancellors, 3 sackings and 3 PMQs. Those setting pub quiz questions will forever be in your debt.
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Whoever gets 100 Tory MPs on Monday nominating them obviously goes forward to a leadership election. If only 1 candidate meets that threshold they obviously become Tory leader and PM.
If not then rounds should be held amongst the candidates until 1 candidate gets over 50% of the parliamentary party supporting them, even if that requires a final round amongst the top 2.
The membership should be given 2 votes then. The first should be to either confirm or reject the candidate chosen by MPs.
If the membership confirm that choice that candidate automatically becomes PM as well as party leader.
If the membership reject that choice then consideration is given to their second vote, a head to head between the top 2 candidates amongst MPs. Whoever wins that ballot amongst members then becomes Tory leader and leads the Tories into a snap general election, Truss remaining PM but not party leader while that general election takes place
I thought the Tory members were bad but the MPs are completely barking.
Get Charles Walker in maybe!
After all, Larry has more experience of government than any member of the PCP right now. Plus he's never lied. Plus he doesn't drink.
100 is the figure now.
If Boris gets it he's PM a week tomorrow.
If he doesn't, and he'll come close, the membership will resent they weren't given the option. And a significant proportion of MP's will continue to think they could save their seats by installing him.
I'll rephrase.
He shows no obvious signs of being under the influence of legal or illegal narcotics.
Unlike Tory MPs.
You're morally worse than Arthur Scargill.
It looks like the 1922 are now having a final round amongst the top 2 amongst MPs to show their preferred choice at least
MPs will choose S&M. Members will choose Johnson. So once again the geriatric giffers impose a disaster on the PCP. Who as reported will fracture apart.
Fun fun fun in the sun sun sun.
But CF, isn't Mordaunt wokeness re: transgender, one reason, perhaps the key reason, for your antipathy to Mordaunt?
Concur with your support for Larry the Cat.
Long-standing service in Downing Street should make him eligible, while a quick by-election would put him into the Commons, just as it did Sir Alec Douglas-Home back in his day.
My guess SAD-H would also consider Larry (even lacking pedigree) to be the most suitable option.
Run by the most exclusive end of the public school types, of course, they would hold an open competition annually.
I pulled out something about Hamlet's daughters, and was superciliously asked - they did teach you that in your school didn't they? (No).
But, sitcom character like, I wasn't having that and decided to bluff and talk around some pretty generic plot traits.
So, about two minutes in and running out of things to say. I actually fell quite naturally into a Frankie Howard voice and continued in the vane of "Ooooh. the betrayal" for two or three cycles.
I never debated again.
They are fucked if they pick BoZo again. They are fucked if they don't.
On the other hand, fuck 'em.
They care about the risk to their careers, and "THE PARTY", and care not a jot for the damage and destruction their insane crusade has wreaked on the public, the Country, the economy, the environment.
Bastards.
He has more experience than the rest, having been in number 10 the longest. He knows how to deal with the media - they love him. He also knows how to dispatch his rivals and assert dominance - see also his feline rival at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.
Obviously as a cat, he's lazy, self-centred, and aloof. But that is still a serious improvement on the last half dozen or so cabinets.
You may say that's a distinction without a difference, but it's an important one. A union would never act against the interests of its members. A political party can, and fairly often does.
Whether the Tory members have lost sight of this is another question.
LAB: 57% (+8)
CON: 22% (-6)
LDM: 7% (-3)
GRN: 4% (-1)
REF: 3% (+1)
via @Omnisis, 20 Oct
(Changes with 14 Oct)
https://twitter.com/clemfletch/status/1583145881468956674
Surely one vacuous purveyor of soundbites is enough for one year?
For those who got home after a hard day's work, or who struggled through another day of going without, watching TV news of a Govt imploding *again* only widens the gap with their lives
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/britain-is-crying-out-for-a-one-nation-government-but-the-tories-may-no-longer-be-one-party-1924933 https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1583198911581155329/photo/1
By the way it may be slightly unfair to compare Truss to Brian Clough's ill-fated stint at Leeds Utd. She may have announced she'll be resigning as Tory leader but her tenure as PM will obviously be longer than Clough's 44 days. Doubt she will get the movie though. Another series of The Thick Of It?
Incidentally I don't think anyone answered my question on the summer of 4 captains. They were respectively in 1988:
Mike Gatting
John Emburey
Chris Cowdrey (really?)
Graham Gooch
The four Chancellors are of course:
Rishi Sunak
Nadhim Zahawi
Kwasi Kwarteng
Jeremy Hunt
Now England's cricketers had the reasonable excuse that they were playing the mighty West Indies. Not really any such defence for the government.
I made clear if members did not confirm the choice over 50% of the governing parties MPs backed then there would be a snap general election and they would only be electing the party leader at that election, it would be for voters as a whole to decide if they then became PM or not
Away and pull the other plonker, and then the third and fourth and fifth one after that, chum.
"Britain is a political wasteland
The Truss premiership was a new low for our democracy
Brendan O'Neill
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/10/20/britain-is-a-political-wasteland/
The whole point of Hamlet is he and his girlfriend get killed off!
Edit: possible source of confusion - I am talking about the UK constitution. Not the party constitution or whatever jumped up set of third rate golf club rules you are trying to put in its place, like the subversive and seditious person that you are.
I was struck in Truss's resignation speech about how she couldn't deliver the manifesto she was elected by Conservative members on. FFS Parliament to which she owes her position was elected on the basis of the 2019 GE. Manifestos are not holy writ, but to purport that something she campaigned on to the tiny selectorate of Tory members has greater priority than the whole UK electorate is tone deafness of the highest order.
This is the third time I’ve posted on this.
The PM needs to maintain the confidence of the House. To all intents and purposes right now, that’s in the hands of Tory MPs.
What the fuck-witted members choose to do with the leadership of their cult is their own business. They can elect Grant Shapps’ second-best wig for all I care.
If they reject that choice then as I said they get a second vote only to choose our party leader to lead us into a snap general election, the voters alone would then decide if that candidate became PM or not.
If it's to do what the bond markets tell Jeremy Hunt to do, Mordaunt is probably fine to front that. We'll need some vacuous soundbites to get us through the winter and Rishi might be a bit too sleek to sound concerned convincingly.
Enjoy your evening one and all.
I made clear if party members reject the choice of MPs their choice does not become PM, instead only party leader in a snap general election
What an odious creep.
Know the type - superficially reasonably intelligent & occasionally well-briefed, but actually dumb as a box of rocks.
Plenty of apparatchiks that way. She's a prize example of that - and of course the Peter Principle.
Ms Harriet Harman MP (Labour, Camberwell and Peckham) (Chair)
Andy Carter MP (Conservative, Warrington South)
Alberto Costa MP (Conservative, South Leicestershire)
Allan Dorans MP (Scottish National Party, Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock)
Laura Farris MP (Conservative, Newbury)
Yvonne Fovargue MP (Labour, Makerfield)
Sir Bernard Jenkin MP (Conservative, Harwich and North Essex)
Being cynical, I assume it is probable that the two Labour and one SNP members will find against Johnson.
It therefore only leaves one of the four Tories to do so for a majority to be reached. The only one to have declared so far this contest is Farris, for Sunak.
Make of that what you will.
The dream of doing an ok job with Aston Villa and then swooping into manage Liverpool when Kloop goes has gone the way as Fizzy Lizzy as the new Thatcher.
If party members rejected the choice of MPs then as I said their choice for leader would never become PM unless they won the snap general election that would be triggered immediately. If you really want to be pedantic May could be caretaker PM while that general election campaign takes place, having herself won a majority of MPs support before
Wonder just how many of the anti-fracking Tories he pushed into the No Lobby will be clamoring for JRM to help them campaign at next general election?
Maybe the ones who defect to Labour (or Lib Dems) as part of their "older but wiser" mea culpa to their constituents?
Clearly you have no chance of holding your seat under Rishi or Penny. Your only slim hope is to bring Boris back and hope he can somehow conjure up the old magic.
Job done.
BorisBielsa.....I know that the situation is different now, but if you're a desperate MP staring at a polling deficit of more than 30pp, I can see why the second coming of Johnson might appeal as a Hail Mary play.
Labour 560
SNP 52
Lib Dem 11
Plaid 4
Conservative 3
So if we lose Scotland there is a danger of England and Wales becoming a one party state.