Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them and those bombed out in the Blitz and the underground came to the county, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
I was brought up in South Essex just after the war; left to go somewhere else to study in the very late 50s. We didn't regard ourselves as East Anglians; we were Essex. Suffolk and Norfolk were somewhere else!
In 1950s postwar maybe, by then the East End had already started to move in.
In 1850 however before the War and the tube came Essex was culturally closer to Suffolk and Norfolk than London
Wide shot of the Long Walk - there’s a Guardsman waking briskly up the grass having abandoned his horse half way down - looks like a Policeman is holding the reins.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Quite. He's ádmitted it with his assertion that English folk are more like Kiwis than they are to Scottish folk (whether this is actually true or not, he has abandoned the neighbourhood principle in so doing).
More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Australia and NZ haven't got a doorstep. NZ is about 3500 km from Australia let alone anywhere else.
They've grown rapidly by embracing trade around the planet and not letting distance be a factor to stop them from trading.
They are a lot closer to Asia than they are to us.
London to Beijing distance 5058 miles. Wellington to Beijing distance 5027 miles.
Presumably you think Asia is on our doorstep too then?
NZ’s top trading partners are China, Australia, United States of America, Japan and South Korea - as you’d expect from geography.
It has been the primary aim of NZ foreign policy to remove trade barriers with our neighbours, and it is understood as the very keystone of NZ’s economic success.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Quite. He's ádmitted it with his assertion that English folk are more like Kiwis than they are to Scottish folk (whether this is actually true or not, he has abandoned the neighbourhood principle in so doing).
More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland
Oh, so it's all genetics rather than upbringing, not to mention environment and history? Getting very old fashioned there.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
There aren't many Ipswich fans in this part of N. Essex; plenty of West Ham supporters though.
There arent many Ipswich fans anywhere tbf
Have the glory hunters started supporting the mega successful Norwich? Oh, wait …..
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Australia and NZ haven't got a doorstep. NZ is about 3500 km from Australia let alone anywhere else.
They've grown rapidly by embracing trade around the planet and not letting distance be a factor to stop them from trading.
They are a lot closer to Asia than they are to us.
London to Beijing distance 5058 miles. Wellington to Beijing distance 5027 miles.
Presumably you think Asia is on our doorstep too then?
And Wellington to London?
Nowhere is on New Zealand's doorstep (except possibly Australia).
But Asia is a hell of a lot closer to NZ than Europe is.
Asia is just as close to Europe as NZ is [to Asia].
If Aus and NZ can trade with Asia, there's no reason we can't. That's why we should be joining CPTPP etc post-Brexit.
The horse without rider is very American. They do that at their state funerals.
Just standing by?
In Ireland when someone gets killed out hunting they process the horse with tack, with the rider's boots backwards in the stirrups, at the funeral. also a US Cavalry thing I understand.
Wide shot of the Long Walk - there’s a Guardsman waking briskly up the grass having abandoned his horse half way down - looks like a Policeman is holding the reins.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Quite. He's ádmitted it with his assertion that English folk are more like Kiwis than they are to Scottish folk (whether this is actually true or not, he has abandoned the neighbourhood principle in so doing).
More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland
Presumably the same for Australians?
He's completely wrong anyway. England is the one with most English ancestry.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
There aren't many Ipswich fans in this part of N. Essex; plenty of West Ham supporters though.
There arent many Ipswich fans anywhere tbf
There are a few more now I think; they're doing better!
The Scout League is a little more open to them this season yes
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them and those bombed out in the Blitz and the underground came to the county, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
I was brought up in South Essex just after the war; left to go somewhere else to study in the very late 50s. We didn't regard ourselves as East Anglians; we were Essex. Suffolk and Norfolk were somewhere else!
In 1950s postwar maybe, by then the East End had already started to move in.
In 1850 however before the War and the tube came Essex was culturally closer to Suffolk and Norfolk than London
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
I know we've had this argument a gazillion times, but the UK's economy doesn't look anything like Australia or New Zealand.
Australia has massively benefitted from having enormous quantities of cheaply extractable raw materials, at exactly the time that China (which happens to be very close) has needed them.
Three thousand miles is hardly 'very close.'
Well: for a start most of Australia's raw material exports aren't coming from Sydney.
Natural gas and oil comes from the Northwest Shelf, while Coal comes from Queensland.
Secondly: a massive mine near the coast is in a fantastic position to export to China.
If you have coal in Queensland, where do you think the nearest large markets for coal are?
Likewise, if you are in Guangzhou, where do you think the easiest place to buy coal from is?
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Quite. He's ádmitted it with his assertion that English folk are more like Kiwis than they are to Scottish folk (whether this is actually true or not, he has abandoned the neighbourhood principle in so doing).
More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland
As well as the Maori there are quite a few South Sea islanders living in New Zealand now.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Quite. He's ádmitted it with his assertion that English folk are more like Kiwis than they are to Scottish folk (whether this is actually true or not, he has abandoned the neighbourhood principle in so doing).
More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland
Presumably the same for Australians?
To an extent but I think Australian has a higher percentage of those with Irish or Scottish ancestry than New Zealand does and a lower percentage with English ancestry. Australians often have convict ancestry too, less so Kiwis
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Quite. He's ádmitted it with his assertion that English folk are more like Kiwis than they are to Scottish folk (whether this is actually true or not, he has abandoned the neighbourhood principle in so doing).
More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland
Presumably the same for Australians?
He's completely wrong anyway. England is the one with most English ancestry.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Australia and NZ haven't got a doorstep. NZ is about 3500 km from Australia let alone anywhere else.
They've grown rapidly by embracing trade around the planet and not letting distance be a factor to stop them from trading.
They are a lot closer to Asia than they are to us.
London to Beijing distance 5058 miles. Wellington to Beijing distance 5027 miles.
Presumably you think Asia is on our doorstep too then?
Wellington to Shanghai by freighter: 27 days. London to Shanghai 49 days.
The point is, we have much better trading options on our doorstep, and have quite deliberately put up barriers. An absurd act of self harm that is already making us poorer.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Australia and NZ haven't got a doorstep. NZ is about 3500 km from Australia let alone anywhere else.
They've grown rapidly by embracing trade around the planet and not letting distance be a factor to stop them from trading.
They are a lot closer to Asia than they are to us.
London to Beijing distance 5058 miles. Wellington to Beijing distance 5027 miles.
Presumably you think Asia is on our doorstep too then?
And Wellington to London?
Nowhere is on New Zealand's doorstep (except possibly Australia).
But Asia is a hell of a lot closer to NZ than Europe is.
Asia is just as close to Europe as NZ is [to Asia].
If Aus and NZ can trade with Asia, there's no reason we can't. That's why we should be joining CPTPP etc post-Brexit.
I don't disagree with that.
But at the same time, you do need to recognise the following:
Asia - and particularly China - has had a voracious appetite for raw materials. The primary export of Australia (almost 60% of total exports) is raw materials. Australia is the closest large supplier of coal/natural gas/etc to China.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Quite. He's ádmitted it with his assertion that English folk are more like Kiwis than they are to Scottish folk (whether this is actually true or not, he has abandoned the neighbourhood principle in so doing).
More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland
As well as the Maori there are quite a few South Sea islanders living in New Zealand now.
Still even combined significantly less than the number with English ancestry living in NZ
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
I know we've had this argument a gazillion times, but the UK's economy doesn't look anything like Australia or New Zealand.
Australia has massively benefitted from having enormous quantities of cheaply extractable raw materials, at exactly the time that China (which happens to be very close) has needed them.
Three thousand miles is hardly 'very close.'
Well: for a start most of Australia's raw material exports aren't coming from Sydney.
Natural gas and oil comes from the Northwest Shelf, while Coal comes from Queensland.
Secondly: a massive mine near the coast is in a fantastic position to export to China.
If you have coal in Queensland, where do you think the nearest large markets for coal are?
Likewise, if you are in Guangzhou, where do you think the easiest place to buy coal from is?
South Africa is a lot further. Ditton Colombia.
I was measuring from Darwin to Nanning. From Sydney it would be a lot further.
And yes, I take your point that it's closer than any other major market/resource combination for the two, but that doesn't make it close. It's the difference between saying 'Yeltsin was a good President' and 'Yeltsin is a better president than Putin.'
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Christiane Amanpour on CNN described the UK as a declining power due in part to Brexit.
Just thought I’d throw that scrap of meat in.
CNN lol, they'd know all about declining power
CNN+ showed their cluelessness about their market. They wasted a colossal amount on it
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Quite. He's ádmitted it with his assertion that English folk are more like Kiwis than they are to Scottish folk (whether this is actually true or not, he has abandoned the neighbourhood principle in so doing).
More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland
Presumably the same for Australians?
He's completely wrong anyway. England is the one with most English ancestry.
I said New Zealand was the nation in the world most culturally similar to England, not that it was England!
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Australia and NZ haven't got a doorstep. NZ is about 3500 km from Australia let alone anywhere else.
They've grown rapidly by embracing trade around the planet and not letting distance be a factor to stop them from trading.
They are a lot closer to Asia than they are to us.
London to Beijing distance 5058 miles. Wellington to Beijing distance 5027 miles.
Presumably you think Asia is on our doorstep too then?
And Wellington to London?
Nowhere is on New Zealand's doorstep (except possibly Australia).
But Asia is a hell of a lot closer to NZ than Europe is.
It certainly feels it when you fly to and from New Zealand
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Quite. He's ádmitted it with his assertion that English folk are more like Kiwis than they are to Scottish folk (whether this is actually true or not, he has abandoned the neighbourhood principle in so doing).
More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland
Presumably the same for Australians?
He's completely wrong anyway. England is the one with most English ancestry.
I said New Zealand was the nation in the world most culturally similar to England, not that it was England!
No, you didn't. You're fibbing again. You said "More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland." Try reading the first twelve words.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
I know we've had this argument a gazillion times, but the UK's economy doesn't look anything like Australia or New Zealand.
Australia has massively benefitted from having enormous quantities of cheaply extractable raw materials, at exactly the time that China (which happens to be very close) has needed them.
Three thousand miles is hardly 'very close.'
Well: for a start most of Australia's raw material exports aren't coming from Sydney.
Natural gas and oil comes from the Northwest Shelf, while Coal comes from Queensland.
Secondly: a massive mine near the coast is in a fantastic position to export to China.
If you have coal in Queensland, where do you think the nearest large markets for coal are?
Likewise, if you are in Guangzhou, where do you think the easiest place to buy coal from is?
South Africa is a lot further. Ditton Colombia.
I was measuring from Darwin to Nanning. From Sydney it would be a lot further.
And yes, I take your point that it's closer than any other major market/resource combination for the two, but that doesn't make it close. It's the difference between saying 'Yeltsin was a good President' and 'Yeltsin is a better president than Putin.'
The point is that it is the closest. It is one of Barty’s little conceits that geography doesn’t matter when it comes to trade.
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Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them and those bombed out in the Blitz and the underground came to the county, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
I was brought up in South Essex just after the war; left to go somewhere else to study in the very late 50s. We didn't regard ourselves as East Anglians; we were Essex. Suffolk and Norfolk were somewhere else!
In 1950s postwar maybe, by then the East End had already started to move in.
In 1850 however before the War and the tube came Essex was culturally closer to Suffolk and Norfolk than London
Very early in the last century, before World War I, one of my aunts won a prize for her dairy products at the Essex and Herts agricultural show
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
I know we've had this argument a gazillion times, but the UK's economy doesn't look anything like Australia or New Zealand.
Australia has massively benefitted from having enormous quantities of cheaply extractable raw materials, at exactly the time that China (which happens to be very close) has needed them.
Three thousand miles is hardly 'very close.'
Well: for a start most of Australia's raw material exports aren't coming from Sydney.
Natural gas and oil comes from the Northwest Shelf, while Coal comes from Queensland.
Secondly: a massive mine near the coast is in a fantastic position to export to China.
If you have coal in Queensland, where do you think the nearest large markets for coal are?
Likewise, if you are in Guangzhou, where do you think the easiest place to buy coal from is?
South Africa is a lot further. Ditton Colombia.
I was measuring from Darwin to Nanning. From Sydney it would be a lot further.
And yes, I take your point that it's closer than any other major market/resource combination for the two, but that doesn't make it close. It's the difference between saying 'Yeltsin was a good President' and 'Yeltsin is a better president than Putin.'
The point is that it is the closest. It is one of Barty’s little conceits that geography doesn’t matter when it comes to trade.
Oh yes - there was that row about how it was so much better to close down UK farming and import Jerusalem artichokes or something from WA.
On the whole New Zealand question, Mrs Stodge (who is of the Kiwi persuasion) gets offended when someone calls her Australian based on her accent. She did laugh once when someone on a cruise ship thought she was South African.
I've been to NZ just three times - my view is Auckland is a more Asian city than I expected while Christchurch was reassuringly British and it's probably true the South Island is closer culturally to the UK than the North which has not only more Asiatic influences but has the majority of both Maori and islanders.
Distance isn't everything - the time difference between NZ and Australia, Japan, Singapore and China makes it so much easier to conduct business and establish relationships than with the UK where we are currently 11 hours behind (to become 12 in a few days).
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And one day, when you and I are long forgot, they will say that they were there.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Yes it is, East Anglia can include Essex and Cambridgeshire, not just Norfolk and Suffolk.
Saffron Walden, Maldon, Colchester, Coggeshall etc are closer to Suffolk and Cambridgeshire than London
On the whole New Zealand question, Mrs Stodge (who is of the Kiwi persuasion) gets offended when someone calls her Australian based on her accent. She did laugh once when someone on a cruise ship thought she was South African.
I've been to NZ just three times - my view is Auckland is a more Asian city than I expected while Christchurch was reassuringly British and it's probably true the South Island is closer culturally to the UK than the North which has not only more Asiatic influences but has the majority of both Maori and islanders.
Distance isn't everything - the time difference between NZ and Australia, Japan, Singapore and China makes it so much easier to conduct business and establish relationships than with the UK where we are currently 11 hours behind (to become 12 in a few days).
We are talking culturally the close links between the UK and NZ, even if economically NZ trades more with Asia and the UK trades more with Europe
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them and those bombed out in the Blitz and the underground came to the county, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
I was brought up in South Essex just after the war; left to go somewhere else to study in the very late 50s. We didn't regard ourselves as East Anglians; we were Essex. Suffolk and Norfolk were somewhere else!
In 1950s postwar maybe, by then the East End had already started to move in.
In 1850 however before the War and the tube came Essex was culturally closer to Suffolk and Norfolk than London
Very early in the last century, before World War I, one of my aunts won a prize for her dairy products at the Essex and Herts agricultural show
Indeed, as I noted above Essex and Herts was the traditional pairing not Essex and East Anglia.
HYUFD wants the cachet of moving to “East Anglia” so he is willing on this occasion to ignore history and tradition.
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If you could turn to ITV in the Baltic States you could get the younger brother too.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Quite. He's ádmitted it with his assertion that English folk are more like Kiwis than they are to Scottish folk (whether this is actually true or not, he has abandoned the neighbourhood principle in so doing).
More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland
Presumably the same for Australians?
He's completely wrong anyway. England is the one with most English ancestry.
I said New Zealand was the nation in the world most culturally similar to England, not that it was England!
No, you didn't. You're fibbing again. You said "More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland." Try reading the first twelve words.
Which is correct, there are more New Zealanders with English ancestry than Scottish ancestry.
Of course there are also probably more New Zealanders percentage wise with English ancestry than the percentage with English ancestry living in Scotland
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
I know we've had this argument a gazillion times, but the UK's economy doesn't look anything like Australia or New Zealand.
Australia has massively benefitted from having enormous quantities of cheaply extractable raw materials, at exactly the time that China (which happens to be very close) has needed them.
Three thousand miles is hardly 'very close.'
Well: for a start most of Australia's raw material exports aren't coming from Sydney.
Natural gas and oil comes from the Northwest Shelf, while Coal comes from Queensland.
Secondly: a massive mine near the coast is in a fantastic position to export to China.
If you have coal in Queensland, where do you think the nearest large markets for coal are?
Likewise, if you are in Guangzhou, where do you think the easiest place to buy coal from is?
South Africa is a lot further. Ditton Colombia.
I was measuring from Darwin to Nanning. From Sydney it would be a lot further.
And yes, I take your point that it's closer than any other major market/resource combination for the two, but that doesn't make it close. It's the difference between saying 'Yeltsin was a good President' and 'Yeltsin is a better president than Putin.'
Hang on:
It is worth remembering that a lot of what Australia is exporting is low priced commodities. If you are shipping a 20,000 tonne load of coal at $100/tonne (as it used to be), then a single ship is only bringing $2m of coal. (Of course, with current $400 Newcastle coal prices, it's more like $8m, but based on normal prices, it's more like $2m.)
Shipping times therefore make a massive difference to margins.
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And one day, when you and I are long forgot, they will say that they were there.
Tunes of Glory.
The service and ceremonial is fine, its the BBC grovel I find rather unappealing.
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On the whole New Zealand question, Mrs Stodge (who is of the Kiwi persuasion) gets offended when someone calls her Australian based on her accent. She did laugh once when someone on a cruise ship thought she was South African.
I've been to NZ just three times - my view is Auckland is a more Asian city than I expected while Christchurch was reassuringly British and it's probably true the South Island is closer culturally to the UK than the North which has not only more Asiatic influences but has the majority of both Maori and islanders.
Distance isn't everything - the time difference between NZ and Australia, Japan, Singapore and China makes it so much easier to conduct business and establish relationships than with the UK where we are currently 11 hours behind (to become 12 in a few days).
Our eldest son lived in Christchurch from 2003 to 2015 and our four visits affirm your description of Christchurch
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them and those bombed out in the Blitz and the underground came to the county, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
I was brought up in South Essex just after the war; left to go somewhere else to study in the very late 50s. We didn't regard ourselves as East Anglians; we were Essex. Suffolk and Norfolk were somewhere else!
In 1950s postwar maybe, by then the East End had already started to move in.
In 1850 however before the War and the tube came Essex was culturally closer to Suffolk and Norfolk than London
Very early in the last century, before World War I, one of my aunts won a prize for her dairy products at the Essex and Herts agricultural show
Indeed, as I noted above Essex and Herts was the traditional pairing not Essex and East Anglia.
HYUFD wants the cachet of moving to “East Anglia” so he is willing on this occasion to ignore history and tradition.
Some conservative.
Herts is also part of the Eastern region not London or the SE and could be argued to be on the outer edge of East Anglia too.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Yes it is, East Anglia can include Essex and Cambridgeshire, not just Norfolk and Suffolk.
Saffron Walden, Maldon, Colchester, Coggeshall etc are closer to Suffolk and Cambridgeshire than London
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And one day, when you and I are long forgot, they will say that they were there.
Tunes of Glory.
The service and ceremonial is fine, its the BBC grovel I find rather unappealing.
Iplayer has a no commentary option. Much better tbh
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Quite. He's ádmitted it with his assertion that English folk are more like Kiwis than they are to Scottish folk (whether this is actually true or not, he has abandoned the neighbourhood principle in so doing).
More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland
Presumably the same for Australians?
He's completely wrong anyway. England is the one with most English ancestry.
I said New Zealand was the nation in the world most culturally similar to England, not that it was England!
Surely Russia is the country culturally most similar to England. Delusions of grandeur, terrible weather, their neighbours all hate them, obsessed with WW2, good at parades, half the population are pissed most of the time... We even have folk on here threatening to invade an independent Scotland and eyeing up the border lands for annexation.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them and those bombed out in the Blitz and the underground came to the county, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
I was brought up in South Essex just after the war; left to go somewhere else to study in the very late 50s. We didn't regard ourselves as East Anglians; we were Essex. Suffolk and Norfolk were somewhere else!
In 1950s postwar maybe, by then the East End had already started to move in.
In 1850 however before the War and the tube came Essex was culturally closer to Suffolk and Norfolk than London
Very early in the last century, before World War I, one of my aunts won a prize for her dairy products at the Essex and Herts agricultural show
Indeed, as I noted above Essex and Herts was the traditional pairing not Essex and East Anglia.
HYUFD wants the cachet of moving to “East Anglia” so he is willing on this occasion to ignore history and tradition.
Some conservative.
Herts is also part of the Eastern region not London or the SE and could be argued to be on the outer edge of East Anglia too.
Did you read theology at university? I ask because an old friend of mine lectured in theology. I asked him what his students did after graduation and he said they went into things like marketing because they could closely argue a point that already been done to death elsewhere.
The last great location it existed was the lobbies of expensive office buildings. But now people waiting in lobbies (and there are far fewer of them too) are on their phones: they're not staring at an expensive flat screens.
CNN is failing first. But even Fox News is getting killed. Back in 2014/2015, they used to get almost 5m viewers during primetime. Today, on a good day, it's more like 3.5m. And on some days they're floating with the 3m mark.
Here is a question for monarchy nerds. The Queen's crown and the King's are different shapes are they not? So do they take the best jewels and put them on Charlie's one, or does he have a completely different one?
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
I know we've had this argument a gazillion times, but the UK's economy doesn't look anything like Australia or New Zealand.
Australia has massively benefitted from having enormous quantities of cheaply extractable raw materials, at exactly the time that China (which happens to be very close) has needed them.
Three thousand miles is hardly 'very close.'
Well: for a start most of Australia's raw material exports aren't coming from Sydney.
Natural gas and oil comes from the Northwest Shelf, while Coal comes from Queensland.
Secondly: a massive mine near the coast is in a fantastic position to export to China.
If you have coal in Queensland, where do you think the nearest large markets for coal are?
Likewise, if you are in Guangzhou, where do you think the easiest place to buy coal from is?
South Africa is a lot further. Ditton Colombia.
I was measuring from Darwin to Nanning. From Sydney it would be a lot further.
And yes, I take your point that it's closer than any other major market/resource combination for the two, but that doesn't make it close. It's the difference between saying 'Yeltsin was a good President' and 'Yeltsin is a better president than Putin.'
Hang on:
It is worth remembering that a lot of what Australia is exporting is low priced commodities. If you are shipping a 20,000 tonne load of coal at $100/tonne (as it used to be), then a single ship is only bringing $2m of coal. (Of course, with current $400 Newcastle coal prices, it's more like $8m, but based on normal prices, it's more like $2m.)
Shipping times therefore make a massive difference to margins.
Here is a question for monarchy nerds. The Queen's crown and the King's are different shapes are they not? So do they take the best jewels and put them on Charlie's one, or does he have a completely different one?
I think they will use the same crown? St Edwards for the coronation, imperial for other state occasions.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Quite. He's ádmitted it with his assertion that English folk are more like Kiwis than they are to Scottish folk (whether this is actually true or not, he has abandoned the neighbourhood principle in so doing).
More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland
Presumably the same for Australians?
He's completely wrong anyway. England is the one with most English ancestry.
I said New Zealand was the nation in the world most culturally similar to England, not that it was England!
Surely Russia is the country culturally most similar to England. Delusions of grandeur, terrible weather, their neighbours all hate them, obsessed with WW2, good at parades, half the population are pissed most of the time... We even have folk on here threatening to invade an independent Scotland and eyeing up the border lands for annexation.
Hardly, we have not just invaded Ireland have we, we are a far wealthier nation than Russia, Heads of State from all over the world have attended the Queen's funeral, most of them hate Putin and we don't have average -8 C or worse temperatures in January
He may be the world’s most powerful man but the apparent late arrival of the US president, Joe Biden, and his wife, Jill, was not allowed to disrupt the finely tuned choreography of the late Queen’s funeral.
Rather than being ushered immediately to their seats on their arrival at Westminster Abbey, the first couple, aged 79 and 71, had to be gently told they would need to stand and wait as a procession of George and Victoria Cross-holders went ahead of them down the nave of the abbey.
The last great location it existed was the lobbies of expensive office buildings. But now people waiting in lobbies (and there are far fewer of them too) are on their phones: they're not staring at an expensive flat screens.
CNN is failing first. But even Fox News is getting killed. Back in 2014/2015, they used to get almost 5m viewers during primetime. Today, on a good day, it's more like 3.5m. And on some days they're floating with the 3m mark.
And Fox is the one tailoring their content most aggressively to match the worldview of angry bored pensioners, the only people who still watch TV all day.
I want the rest of time to be an endless ritual of funeral mourning for the Queen of England, which never quite ends, so that in 2065 she is “slowly proceeding up the great alt.mall of 3/Chengdu, accompanied by the robot pipers of Planet X/beta-55” and we never have to actually confront her actual death
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
I know we've had this argument a gazillion times, but the UK's economy doesn't look anything like Australia or New Zealand.
Australia has massively benefitted from having enormous quantities of cheaply extractable raw materials, at exactly the time that China (which happens to be very close) has needed them.
Three thousand miles is hardly 'very close.'
Well: for a start most of Australia's raw material exports aren't coming from Sydney.
Natural gas and oil comes from the Northwest Shelf, while Coal comes from Queensland.
Secondly: a massive mine near the coast is in a fantastic position to export to China.
If you have coal in Queensland, where do you think the nearest large markets for coal are?
Likewise, if you are in Guangzhou, where do you think the easiest place to buy coal from is?
South Africa is a lot further. Ditton Colombia.
I was measuring from Darwin to Nanning. From Sydney it would be a lot further.
And yes, I take your point that it's closer than any other major market/resource combination for the two, but that doesn't make it close. It's the difference between saying 'Yeltsin was a good President' and 'Yeltsin is a better president than Putin.'
Hang on:
It is worth remembering that a lot of what Australia is exporting is low priced commodities. If you are shipping a 20,000 tonne load of coal at $100/tonne (as it used to be), then a single ship is only bringing $2m of coal. (Of course, with current $400 Newcastle coal prices, it's more like $8m, but based on normal prices, it's more like $2m.)
Shipping times therefore make a massive difference to margins.
Here is a question for monarchy nerds. The Queen's crown and the King's are different shapes are they not? So do they take the best jewels and put them on Charlie's one, or does he have a completely different one?
I think they will use the same crown? St Edwards for the coronation, imperial for other state occasions.
But doesn't a King's crown not have the dipped bit in the middle?
Just logged on for the committal... Dear God they dug up a Dimbleby for the full on arslikhan... Sovereign, Subjects... the last time... Oh put a sock in it.
And one day, when you and I are long forgot, they will say that they were there.
Tunes of Glory.
The service and ceremonial is fine, its the BBC grovel I find rather unappealing.
Iplayer has a no commentary option. Much better tbh
It needs adapting for PB so I can switch off Kjh permanently
I want the rest of time to be an endless ritual of funeral mourning for the Queen of England, which never quite ends, so that in 2065 she is “slowly proceeding up the great alt.mall of 3/Chengdu, accompanied by the robot pipers of Planet X/beta-55” and we never have to actually confront her actual death
You've got through a goodly helping of champers there.
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In 1850 however before the War and the tube came Essex was culturally closer to Suffolk and Norfolk than London
I reckon the only way to get through this is with endless quite pricey booze. Like Churchill during the blitz
It has been the primary aim of NZ foreign policy to remove trade barriers with our neighbours, and it is understood as the very keystone of NZ’s economic success.
If Aus and NZ can trade with Asia, there's no reason we can't. That's why we should be joining CPTPP etc post-Brexit.
In Ireland when someone gets killed out hunting they process the horse with tack, with the rider's boots backwards in the stirrups, at the funeral. also a US Cavalry thing I understand.
Natural gas and oil comes from the Northwest Shelf, while Coal comes from Queensland.
Secondly: a massive mine near the coast is in a fantastic position to export to China.
If you have coal in Queensland, where do you think the nearest large markets for coal are?
Likewise, if you are in Guangzhou, where do you think the easiest place to buy coal from is?
South Africa is a lot further. Ditton Colombia.
And good to see you back.
http://www.shiptraffic.net/2001/05/sea-distances-calculator.html
The point is, we have much better trading options on our doorstep, and have quite deliberately put up barriers. An absurd act of self harm that is already making us poorer.
But at the same time, you do need to recognise the following:
Asia - and particularly China - has had a voracious appetite for raw materials.
The primary export of Australia (almost 60% of total exports) is raw materials.
Australia is the closest large supplier of coal/natural gas/etc to China.
And yes, I take your point that it's closer than any other major market/resource combination for the two, but that doesn't make it close. It's the difference between saying 'Yeltsin was a good President' and 'Yeltsin is a better president than Putin.'
Gotta be By Appointment
Mind you Fortnums prolly is
As things stand CNN is doomed
Their best rated cable news show gets 700,000 viewers
So they can do one
It is one of Barty’s little conceits that geography doesn’t matter when it comes to trade.
I've been to NZ just three times - my view is Auckland is a more Asian city than I expected while Christchurch was reassuringly British and it's probably true the South Island is closer culturally to the UK than the North which has not only more Asiatic influences but has the majority of both Maori and islanders.
Distance isn't everything - the time difference between NZ and Australia, Japan, Singapore and China makes it so much easier to conduct business and establish relationships than with the UK where we are currently 11 hours behind (to become 12 in a few days).
Tunes of Glory.
HYUFD wants the cachet of moving to “East Anglia” so he is willing on this occasion to ignore history and tradition.
Some conservative.
Of course there are also probably more New Zealanders percentage wise with English ancestry than the percentage with English ancestry living in Scotland
It is worth remembering that a lot of what Australia is exporting is low priced commodities. If you are shipping a 20,000 tonne load of coal at $100/tonne (as it used to be), then a single ship is only bringing $2m of coal. (Of course, with current $400 Newcastle coal prices, it's more like $8m, but based on normal prices, it's more like $2m.)
Shipping times therefore make a massive difference to margins.
By contrast, if you've got a ship full of luxury cars, then the distance is largely irrelevant.
This is OUR day
My eyebrows lifted the other day when I saw CNN interviewing none other than Robert Cahaly, Head of RCS's favourite US polling firm, Trafalgar.
They even gave him the airspace to deny he was a republican shill.
Maybe times they are a-changing.
A new, well tailored, suit is just heaven. A new shirt needs a little attention, but is then great, and new socks are just a balm.
More impressive than my humble refreshment. However I did capture that rainbow over Horseguards last night
What a job.
Cable news is dying.
People watch TikTok and YouTube.
The last great location it existed was the lobbies of expensive office buildings. But now people waiting in lobbies (and there are far fewer of them too) are on their phones: they're not staring at an expensive flat screens.
CNN is failing first. But even Fox News is getting killed. Back in 2014/2015, they used to get almost 5m viewers during primetime. Today, on a good day, it's more like 3.5m. And on some days they're floating with the 3m mark.
Marmalade sandwich sauce:
- Milk steeped in onion, cloves, bay leaves and cardamon
- A spoonful of marmalade
- White breadcrumbs
Very nice too - I’d recommend.
You said China 'happens to be very close' to Australia.
Leaving aside the fact it is relatively closer than any alternative, do you accept, objectively, that that isn't the case?
Rather than being ushered immediately to their seats on their arrival at Westminster Abbey, the first couple, aged 79 and 71, had to be gently told they would need to stand and wait as a procession of George and Victoria Cross-holders went ahead of them down the nave of the abbey.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/19/joe-biden-forced-to-wait-for-seat-after-apparent-late-arrival-at-queens-funeral
I want the rest of time to be an endless ritual of funeral mourning for the Queen of England, which never quite ends, so that in 2065 she is “slowly proceeding up the great alt.mall of 3/Chengdu, accompanied by the robot pipers of Planet X/beta-55” and we never have to actually confront her actual death