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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    But which one is right? If I get that wrong, it's eternal damnation. That, or nothingness.
    Islam has the best aesthetics, go for that.
    No it doesn't, Roman Catholic Christianity does
    Disagree. Undoubtedly Tibetan Buddhism, preferably the Karmapa strand.
  • Eabhal said:

    Surprise appearance:

    The Duke of Edinburgh, Princess Anne and Prince Andrew are seen following the Queen's coffin through the Norman Gate at Windsor Castle as the Scottish lament Flowers of the Forest is played.

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1571882042907828225

    Wonder if he’ll kick up a fuss if they try to inter him with the late Queen?

    Technically correct, Charles is DofE
    Not when he’s King Charles. The title has merged with the crown and has yet to be re-awarded.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279

    The Lord's Prayer was different between the two services. What, if any, is the religious significance?

    This commital service is more uniquely Church of England. The main funeral had a Roman Catholic cardinal, Church of Scotland Minister and Black Pentecostal saying prayers.

    That or the difference between the funeral and committal

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    He will be the first Lord Chamberlain in a very long time to do that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    Now she is once again Elizabeth Windsor, and she goes to her rest.

    This would be the first time she’s Elizabeth Windsor. She was:

    Princess Elizabeth of York 1926-1936
    Princess Elizabeth of the United Kingdom 1936-1952
    Queen from then on.

    The royal family don’t have a surname in a legal sense. Or at least, not until recently.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    The breaking of the wand ...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    DavidL said:

    He will be the first Lord Chamberlain in a very long time to do that.

    Bit of a cheat - he didn't actually break it, just unscrewed it at the ferrules.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,851
    edited September 2022
    Cicero said:

    Eabhal said:

    Surprise appearance:

    The Duke of Edinburgh, Princess Anne and Prince Andrew are seen following the Queen's coffin through the Norman Gate at Windsor Castle as the Scottish lament Flowers of the Forest is played.

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1571882042907828225

    Wonder if he’ll kick up a fuss if they try to inter him with the late Queen?

    Technically correct, Charles is DofE
    Actually, he was technically, but since he is now King the Dukedom has merged with the crown.
    Yes, it is in abeyance for now. The gossip is he will bestow it on Prince Edward I think as he is carrying on being in charge of the DOE award scheme
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,928
    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MISTY said:

    SeanT said:

    @Taz

    As things stand CNN is doomed

    Their best rated cable news show gets 700,000 viewers

    So they can do one


    My eyebrows lifted the other day when I saw CNN interviewing none other than Robert Cahaly, Head of RCS's favourite US polling firm, Trafalgar.

    They even gave him the airspace to deny he was a republican shill.

    Maybe times they are a-changing.
    @SeanT is right:

    Cable news is dying.

    People watch TikTok and YouTube.

    The last great location it existed was the lobbies of expensive office buildings. But now people waiting in lobbies (and there are far fewer of them too) are on their phones: they're not staring at an expensive flat screens.

    CNN is failing first. But even Fox News is getting killed. Back in 2014/2015, they used to get almost 5m viewers during primetime. Today, on a good day, it's more like 3.5m. And on some days they're floating with the 3m mark.
    How did they even think CNN+ was a good idea or viable ?

    (a) HBO and Disney produce video content
    (b) HBO and Disney have launched successful on-line subscription services
    (c) We also produce video content
    Therefore...
    (d) We can launch a successful on-line subscription service

    And you know what? The Times, the FT, the New York Time and the Washington Post have successful on-line news platforms that make lots of money.

    But it's hard to think of how they could make CNN+ work. I simply don't want to pay to see just another talking head.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177

    TOPPING said:

    Seeing the Chapel of St George's at capacity I am just thinking of HMQ there on her own whilst Boris Johnson partied.

    Boris Johnson hang you head in shame!

    Weddings there are fun as the two families sit opposite each other.
    It's a poignant but bitter memory of HMQ alone in her grief whilst Downing Street partied like it was 1999. And there he is, the big fat lumox, party-goer in chief lauding it up at HMQ's funeral. For shame!
    I despise Johnson as much as any man, but I thought he explicitly didn’t party when she was at the funeral, or the night before. He was away.
    He didn't as far as we are aware. But that doesn't detract from the fact that he was complicit in allowing that one, and was an attendee of circa five others.
    Only one FPN say otherwise. I think there is enough to criticise him for that we know he did, such as lying to parliament, than add things that we don’t know are true.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    Not sure about the descending coffin. Might go horribly wrong
  • Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    But which one is right? If I get that wrong, it's eternal damnation. That, or nothingness.
    Islam has the best aesthetics, go for that.
    No it doesn't, Roman Catholic Christianity does
    Disagree. Undoubtedly Tibetan Buddhism, preferably the Karmapa strand.
    I don't endorse it but Satanism must be right up there.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,425

    Cicero said:

    Eabhal said:

    Surprise appearance:

    The Duke of Edinburgh, Princess Anne and Prince Andrew are seen following the Queen's coffin through the Norman Gate at Windsor Castle as the Scottish lament Flowers of the Forest is played.

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1571882042907828225

    Wonder if he’ll kick up a fuss if they try to inter him with the late Queen?

    Technically correct, Charles is DofE
    Actually, he was technically, but since he is now King the Dukedom has merged with the crown.
    Yes, it is in abeyance for now.
    I concede.

    Hangs head in shame. What happens to those finishing the award at the mo? The King's award?
  • Driver said:

    SeanT said:

    Driver said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Nah. Atheists get to enjoy all the good bits without having to believe all the bollocks that goes with it.
    Good luck in your fetid corpse pit. I will be in heaven
    That seems rather unlikely, doesn't it?
    IIRC there's an episode of the Simpsons where Ned Flanders thinks he has died and gone to heaven, but then sees Homer and observes that heaven must be easier to get into than Arizona State.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    The coffin is lowered into the vault as the piper plays
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,928
    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,791
    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    He will be the first Lord Chamberlain in a very long time to do that.

    Bit of a cheat - he didn't actually break it, just unscrewed it at the ferrules.
    Mildly disappointing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    DavidL said:

    He will be the first Lord Chamberlain in a very long time to do that.

    At least they didn't put him in the coffin too with her
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,708

    Driver said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Nah. Atheists get to enjoy all the good bits without having to believe all the bollocks that goes with it.
    Atheism is fundamentally pessimistic. Unless one is a hell-and-damnation religious zealot, having faith is optimistic. It assumes redemption and life everlasting. That said, agnosticism is probably the most logical, as an atheist can no more disprove a deity than the devout can prove one.
    I live my life from an atheistic perspective but strictly speaking I suppose I'm an agnostic as I don't entirely rule out the possibility of an afterlife. There is something affirming and empowering about naturalism.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    Oh my days. The piper
  • This is the first bit of camerawork they’ve got wrong - zooming to follow the piper, when the whole point is he’s disappearing into the distance - in otherwise superb coverage.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    He will be the first Lord Chamberlain in a very long time to do that.

    Bit of a cheat - he didn't actually break it, just unscrewed it at the ferrules.
    Yes, it wasn't exactly Dumledore was it?
  • kinabalu said:

    The breaking of the wand ...

    Didn't that happen to Ronald Weasley with some catastrophic results?
  • ydoethur said:

    Now she is once again Elizabeth Windsor, and she goes to her rest.

    This would be the first time she’s Elizabeth Windsor. She was:

    Princess Elizabeth of York 1926-1936
    Princess Elizabeth of the United Kingdom 1936-1952
    Queen from then on.

    The royal family don’t have a surname in a legal sense. Or at least, not until recently.
    I think she was technically Elizabeth of Windsor as Queen.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    Even Meghan singing God Save the King
  • rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    John 14:2 reads, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.”
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    William and Kate 👍👍
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,037
    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,425
    Charles nearly breaks
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    ydoethur said:

    Now she is once again Elizabeth Windsor, and she goes to her rest.

    This would be the first time she’s Elizabeth Windsor. She was:

    Princess Elizabeth of York 1926-1936
    Princess Elizabeth of the United Kingdom 1936-1952
    Queen from then on.

    The royal family don’t have a surname in a legal sense. Or at least, not until recently.
    I think she was technically Elizabeth of Windsor as Queen.
    She was Elizabeth of the United Kingdom, of the House of Windsor.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    edited September 2022

    TOPPING said:

    Seeing the Chapel of St George's at capacity I am just thinking of HMQ there on her own whilst Boris Johnson partied.

    Boris Johnson hang you head in shame!

    Weddings there are fun as the two families sit opposite each other.
    It's a poignant but bitter memory of HMQ alone in her grief whilst Downing Street partied like it was 1999. And there he is, the big fat lumox, party-goer in chief lauding it up at HMQ's funeral. For shame!
    I despise Johnson as much as any man, but I thought he explicitly didn’t party when she was at the funeral, or the night before. He was away.
    He didn't as far as we are aware. But that doesn't detract from the fact that he was complicit in allowing that one, and was an attendee of circa five others.
    Only one FPN say otherwise. I think there is enough to criticise him for that we know he did, such as lying to parliament, than add things that we don’t know are true.
    That's.nonsense and you know it.

    Remember HMQ on her own at her husband's funeral and Johnson with a glass in his hand at any one of several events. For shame, for shame.
  • I am off for a run!
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,791
    HYUFD said:

    Even Meghan singing God Save the King

    Charles looked like he was trying hard not to cry during that.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    ydoethur said:

    Charles looks like a man who’s had a long, not very easy day.

    And who can blame him?

    Sad, weary and very aware of the burden on his shoulders.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    rcs1000 said:

    MISTY said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MISTY said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MISTY said:

    SeanT said:

    @Taz

    As things stand CNN is doomed

    Their best rated cable news show gets 700,000 viewers

    So they can do one


    My eyebrows lifted the other day when I saw CNN interviewing none other than Robert Cahaly, Head of RCS's favourite US polling firm, Trafalgar.

    They even gave him the airspace to deny he was a republican shill.

    Maybe times they are a-changing.
    @SeanT is right:

    Cable news is dying.

    People watch TikTok and YouTube.

    The last great location it existed was the lobbies of expensive office buildings. But now people waiting in lobbies (and there are far fewer of them too) are on their phones: they're not staring at an expensive flat screens.

    CNN is failing first. But even Fox News is getting killed. Back in 2014/2015, they used to get almost 5m viewers during primetime. Today, on a good day, it's more like 3.5m. And on some days they're floating with the 3m mark.
    I just looked at the AdWeek numbers: https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/week-of-sept-5-basic-cable-ranker-fox-news-remains-most-watched-in-total-day/514434/

    Fox News "averaged 2.02 million total viewers in primetime this past week, -6% from the prior week".

    Now that's pre-QEII. But the cable news sector is getting killed.
    Tik/tok and Youtube don't generate their own news though, right? don't they sort of rely on sources like CNN and FOX for actual content?
    They are video versions of PB.

    It used to be that people would read the Times or the Telegraph or the Washington Post to hear about what is going on in the world, and to read analysis. Instead they now read sites like PB, or watch video content online.

    And that means there is a massively more diverse set of content providers.
    Yes I guess so. I was watching legal analysis of attempts by some US states (in this case Texas) to legislate against big social media censorship just this morning...

    Talk about anorak.
    I have some sympathy with the Texas law. But the bit I take umbrage with is that they seek to disallow firms from simply not serving Texas. That shouldn't be possible.

    If I decide, I don't want to abide by the law by not selling my product to customers in Texas, that should be fine. It'd be like the EU mandating that everything a US company sold in the UK must be compliant with EU law.
    Yes I absolutely agree, that is going too far.

    The lawyer on the show I saw said that other states are coming forward with similar proposals, so not offering a service in a particular state rather than complying with the law is going to be challenging. This one will probably run and run, I guess.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279
    edited September 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.

    The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,200
    As the Queen is laid to rest a chapter closes .

    We also see our own chapter close . I do think part of the grief people feel is indeed a grief for a closing of that chapter which symbolizes our own step further towards our own mortality .

    Time continues to pass , whilst the Queen was still here we could stay in that chapter , holding back the sands of time .

  • Driver said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even Meghan singing God Save the King

    Charles looked like he was trying hard not to cry during that.
    Was Megan's singing that bad?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    It's almost magical.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    Kinell that was amazing. Moving, majestic, monumental
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    ydoethur said:

    Charles looks like a man who’s had a long, not very easy day.

    And who can blame him?

    Day? two weeks really. Must be totally exhausted.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    DavidL said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    He will be the first Lord Chamberlain in a very long time to do that.

    Bit of a cheat - he didn't actually break it, just unscrewed it at the ferrules.
    Yes, it wasn't exactly Dumledore was it?
    Agreed. It wasn't too thick to snap properly.
  • HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.

    The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
    Muslims believe Christianity is basically polytheism (because of the Trinity), so I'd debate that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.

    The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
    Muslims believe Christianity is basically polytheism (because of the Trinity), so I'd debate that.
    Even Muslims still share the Christian belief in God the Father
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Massive thank you to @NickPalmer for the ‘no commentary’ tip. And for the matter of that to the Beeb. Much better.

    In fact, when my Internet crashed and I had to go back to the other one I found it inferior in every way as the iPlayer one was in HD.
  • SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    George and Charlotte were great.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    MISTY said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles looks like a man who’s had a long, not very easy day.

    And who can blame him?

    Day? two weeks really. Must be totally exhausted.
    Let's not forget those who were furious and irritated with him because he let this emotion get the better of him for the slightest moment when his fountain pen didn't work.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    edited September 2022
    Uber for Andrew. Pizza Express, Woking, driver please.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,928
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.

    The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
    I was more thinking of the sins that a certain Mr Thomas confessed to in his book Millions of Women are Waiting to Meet You.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,037

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,344
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.

    The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
    Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
  • BBC coverage fantastic
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    Ah, god

    It is just one family but the emotions are universal. Which is the point I think


  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,118
    SeanT said:

    In all seriousness, this whole thing is the greatest advert for religious belief that I can conceive

    As @Foxy pointed out, one reason she was so fulfilled and so long lived is because, this

    Plus you get this ritual at the end. Who on earth would choose atheism?!

    The problem, of course, is that it isn't really a choice -- if you don't believe in God, then thinking life would be better if you did won't make it so. (I'm currently listening to the 1990 Reith Lectures where Jonathan Sacks talks a lot about what society and individuals lost in the fading out of religious beliefs and values and the transition to a more secular individualistic society -- and my reaction is rather "well, I agree we've lost something, but you aren't setting out anything that really helps in getting it back...")
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    Pro_Rata said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles looks like a man who’s had a long, not very easy day.

    And who can blame him?

    There has been a lot, a lot of ceremonial. On a national level it is apt, but at a personal level that was gruelling. Most families would have long since retired to the function room of the Slug and Lettuce on Windsor High Street to console the closest, share memories, catch up with family members and eat a platter of sandwiches and some pineapple on sticks.

    Yep. They put in the hours there
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,828
    Bus arriving for the European monarchs.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    That montage at the end of the BBC coverage was just perfect.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MISTY said:

    SeanT said:

    @Taz

    As things stand CNN is doomed

    Their best rated cable news show gets 700,000 viewers

    So they can do one


    My eyebrows lifted the other day when I saw CNN interviewing none other than Robert Cahaly, Head of RCS's favourite US polling firm, Trafalgar.

    They even gave him the airspace to deny he was a republican shill.

    Maybe times they are a-changing.
    @SeanT is right:

    Cable news is dying.

    People watch TikTok and YouTube.

    The last great location it existed was the lobbies of expensive office buildings. But now people waiting in lobbies (and there are far fewer of them too) are on their phones: they're not staring at an expensive flat screens.

    CNN is failing first. But even Fox News is getting killed. Back in 2014/2015, they used to get almost 5m viewers during primetime. Today, on a good day, it's more like 3.5m. And on some days they're floating with the 3m mark.
    How did they even think CNN+ was a good idea or viable ?

    (a) HBO and Disney produce video content
    (b) HBO and Disney have launched successful on-line subscription services
    (c) We also produce video content
    Therefore...
    (d) We can launch a successful on-line subscription service

    And you know what? The Times, the FT, the New York Time and the Washington Post have successful on-line news platforms that make lots of money.

    But it's hard to think of how they could make CNN+ work. I simply don't want to pay to see just another talking head.
    Prior to CNN+ there was Quibi, an entertainment channel producing short videos for subscribers on mobile devices that thought it could cash in and it bombed too.

    YouTube is an opportunity for these news channels to make money as well as reaching to the demographics moving away from cable.

    I’m not sure they are fully exploiting it at the moment.
  • SeanT said:

    Ah, god

    It is just one family but the emotions are universal. Which is the point I think


    That got to me. Poor little thing.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Pro_Rata said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles looks like a man who’s had a long, not very easy day.

    And who can blame him?

    There has been a lot, a lot of ceremonial. On a national level it is apt, but at a personal level that was gruelling. Most families would have long since retired to the function room of the Slug and Lettuce on Windsor High Street to console the closest, share memories, catch up with family members and eat a platter of sandwiches and some pineapple on sticks.
    Not over yet either. They still have the actual internment at 7.30 this evening.

    What a day. No wonder both Charles and Charlotte found it a bit much.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162
    edited September 2022
    HYUFD said:

    Even Meghan singing God Save the King

    Good for her. She shed a tear earlier. She’s done fine this week past.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177
    SeanT said:

    Ah, god

    It is just one family but the emotions are universal. Which is the point I think


    Looks like she’s just been told she is back to school tomorrow.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    We commented how the crematorium in South Shields is better than the others we've attended funerals at as the curtain is at one side so it's not so obvious and easier to look elsewhere should you need to...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,344

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162
    Eabhal said:

    Charles nearly breaks

    Not for the first time. He’s held title together well today.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,361
    DavidL said:

    That montage at the end of the BBC coverage was just perfect.

    Broke both myself and the wife.
  • ydoethur said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles looks like a man who’s had a long, not very easy day.

    And who can blame him?

    There has been a lot, a lot of ceremonial. On a national level it is apt, but at a personal level that was gruelling. Most families would have long since retired to the function room of the Slug and Lettuce on Windsor High Street to console the closest, share memories, catch up with family members and eat a platter of sandwiches and some pineapple on sticks.
    Not over yet either. They still have the actual internment at 7.30 this evening.

    What a day. No wonder both Charles and Charlotte found it a bit much.
    Here’s what’s next:

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/why-the-queen-will-be-buried-in-the-tiniest-plainest-sanctuary-in-the-world-s-largest-occupied-castle-20220916-p5bij0.html
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    pm215 said:

    SeanT said:

    In all seriousness, this whole thing is the greatest advert for religious belief that I can conceive

    As @Foxy pointed out, one reason she was so fulfilled and so long lived is because, this

    Plus you get this ritual at the end. Who on earth would choose atheism?!

    The problem, of course, is that it isn't really a choice -- if you don't believe in God, then thinking life would be better if you did won't make it so. (I'm currently listening to the 1990 Reith Lectures where Jonathan Sacks talks a lot about what society and individuals lost in the fading out of religious beliefs and values and the transition to a more secular individualistic society -- and my reaction is rather "well, I agree we've lost something, but you aren't setting out anything that really helps in getting it back...")
    So, have a go at finding faith. Try a pilgrimage, fast for 2 weeks, go to Tibet, take ayahuasca

    All these are routes to faith. And well trodden. And known to work. Do the work

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,425
    Another montage from the BBC
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691
    What a brilliant choice they've made in Fiona Bruce to cover the end of this.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    HYUFD said:

    Even Meghan singing God Save the King

    Piers Morgan surely disagrees.
  • DavidL said:

    That montage at the end of the BBC coverage was just perfect.

    Kirsty Wark just got through it - crackling with emotion.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,707
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    There was quite a good Mitchell and Webb radio sketch (not sure it made it to the TV show) where someone is at the pearly gates and St.Peter is checking if they qualify to get in. He goes through a list of the various fads God has been through 'For long time you had to be a Lib Dem...'.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    That’s tough. My god. Sympathies
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691
    SeanT said:

    pm215 said:

    SeanT said:

    In all seriousness, this whole thing is the greatest advert for religious belief that I can conceive

    As @Foxy pointed out, one reason she was so fulfilled and so long lived is because, this

    Plus you get this ritual at the end. Who on earth would choose atheism?!

    The problem, of course, is that it isn't really a choice -- if you don't believe in God, then thinking life would be better if you did won't make it so. (I'm currently listening to the 1990 Reith Lectures where Jonathan Sacks talks a lot about what society and individuals lost in the fading out of religious beliefs and values and the transition to a more secular individualistic society -- and my reaction is rather "well, I agree we've lost something, but you aren't setting out anything that really helps in getting it back...")
    So, have a go at finding faith. Try a pilgrimage, fast for 2 weeks, go to Tibet, take ayahuasca

    All these are routes to faith. And well trodden. And known to work. Do the work

    You could too examine the evidence.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even Meghan singing God Save the King

    Good for her. She shed a tear earlier. She’s done fine this week past.
    Yes, surprising, but Meghan did very well.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,791

    HYUFD said:

    Even Meghan singing God Save the King

    Piers Morgan surely disagrees.
    And we should care what he thinks because...?
  • SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    Many sympathies, OKC. Have a similar t-shirt so know the feeling, and understand.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    Thoughts with you OKC on a day that brings such reminders to the fore.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,037

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    Im very sorry, no parent should have to say goodbye like that
  • SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    So sorry to hear this, OKC.

    My condolences.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
    So very sorry to hear that. Happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago.
  • SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
    Please see post to OKC, which applies equally to you and yours.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    MISTY said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even Meghan singing God Save the King

    Good for her. She shed a tear earlier. She’s done fine this week past.
    Yes, surprising, but Meghan did very well.
    Just a shame that this deeply sad week or so has done them so much good in the public's eye and yet that will all change again with Harry's book. All that credit will be lost

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,037

    DavidL said:

    That montage at the end of the BBC coverage was just perfect.

    Broke both myself and the wife.
    It had to go off. Too much
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,279

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.

    The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
    Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
    Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,344

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
    Wish you strength for the funeral!
  • Omnium said:

    What a brilliant choice they've made in Fiona Bruce to cover the end of this.

    Oh God, I said Kirsty Wark didn't I?

    Facepalm.

    Still she did well. Very difficult message to close on and deliver without feeling it deeply.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
    So very sorry to hear that. Happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago.
    Its a one in a million chance. There is only one team in the UK that deals with cjd and its in Edinburgh. V grateful to them.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones

    I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it

    *group hug*

    Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump
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