The Duke of Edinburgh, Princess Anne and Prince Andrew are seen following the Queen's coffin through the Norman Gate at Windsor Castle as the Scottish lament Flowers of the Forest is played.
The Lord's Prayer was different between the two services. What, if any, is the religious significance?
This commital service is more uniquely Church of England. The main funeral had a Roman Catholic cardinal, Church of Scotland Minister and Black Pentecostal saying prayers.
That or the difference between the funeral and committal
The Duke of Edinburgh, Princess Anne and Prince Andrew are seen following the Queen's coffin through the Norman Gate at Windsor Castle as the Scottish lament Flowers of the Forest is played.
The last great location it existed was the lobbies of expensive office buildings. But now people waiting in lobbies (and there are far fewer of them too) are on their phones: they're not staring at an expensive flat screens.
CNN is failing first. But even Fox News is getting killed. Back in 2014/2015, they used to get almost 5m viewers during primetime. Today, on a good day, it's more like 3.5m. And on some days they're floating with the 3m mark.
How did they even think CNN+ was a good idea or viable ?
(a) HBO and Disney produce video content (b) HBO and Disney have launched successful on-line subscription services (c) We also produce video content Therefore... (d) We can launch a successful on-line subscription service
And you know what? The Times, the FT, the New York Time and the Washington Post have successful on-line news platforms that make lots of money.
But it's hard to think of how they could make CNN+ work. I simply don't want to pay to see just another talking head.
Seeing the Chapel of St George's at capacity I am just thinking of HMQ there on her own whilst Boris Johnson partied.
Boris Johnson hang you head in shame!
Weddings there are fun as the two families sit opposite each other.
It's a poignant but bitter memory of HMQ alone in her grief whilst Downing Street partied like it was 1999. And there he is, the big fat lumox, party-goer in chief lauding it up at HMQ's funeral. For shame!
I despise Johnson as much as any man, but I thought he explicitly didn’t party when she was at the funeral, or the night before. He was away.
He didn't as far as we are aware. But that doesn't detract from the fact that he was complicit in allowing that one, and was an attendee of circa five others.
Only one FPN say otherwise. I think there is enough to criticise him for that we know he did, such as lying to parliament, than add things that we don’t know are true.
The Duke of Edinburgh, Princess Anne and Prince Andrew are seen following the Queen's coffin through the Norman Gate at Windsor Castle as the Scottish lament Flowers of the Forest is played.
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Nah. Atheists get to enjoy all the good bits without having to believe all the bollocks that goes with it.
Good luck in your fetid corpse pit. I will be in heaven
That seems rather unlikely, doesn't it?
IIRC there's an episode of the Simpsons where Ned Flanders thinks he has died and gone to heaven, but then sees Homer and observes that heaven must be easier to get into than Arizona State.
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Nah. Atheists get to enjoy all the good bits without having to believe all the bollocks that goes with it.
Atheism is fundamentally pessimistic. Unless one is a hell-and-damnation religious zealot, having faith is optimistic. It assumes redemption and life everlasting. That said, agnosticism is probably the most logical, as an atheist can no more disprove a deity than the devout can prove one.
I live my life from an atheistic perspective but strictly speaking I suppose I'm an agnostic as I don't entirely rule out the possibility of an afterlife. There is something affirming and empowering about naturalism.
This is the first bit of camerawork they’ve got wrong - zooming to follow the piper, when the whole point is he’s disappearing into the distance - in otherwise superb coverage.
Seeing the Chapel of St George's at capacity I am just thinking of HMQ there on her own whilst Boris Johnson partied.
Boris Johnson hang you head in shame!
Weddings there are fun as the two families sit opposite each other.
It's a poignant but bitter memory of HMQ alone in her grief whilst Downing Street partied like it was 1999. And there he is, the big fat lumox, party-goer in chief lauding it up at HMQ's funeral. For shame!
I despise Johnson as much as any man, but I thought he explicitly didn’t party when she was at the funeral, or the night before. He was away.
He didn't as far as we are aware. But that doesn't detract from the fact that he was complicit in allowing that one, and was an attendee of circa five others.
Only one FPN say otherwise. I think there is enough to criticise him for that we know he did, such as lying to parliament, than add things that we don’t know are true.
That's.nonsense and you know it.
Remember HMQ on her own at her husband's funeral and Johnson with a glass in his hand at any one of several events. For shame, for shame.
The last great location it existed was the lobbies of expensive office buildings. But now people waiting in lobbies (and there are far fewer of them too) are on their phones: they're not staring at an expensive flat screens.
CNN is failing first. But even Fox News is getting killed. Back in 2014/2015, they used to get almost 5m viewers during primetime. Today, on a good day, it's more like 3.5m. And on some days they're floating with the 3m mark.
Fox News "averaged 2.02 million total viewers in primetime this past week, -6% from the prior week".
Now that's pre-QEII. But the cable news sector is getting killed.
Tik/tok and Youtube don't generate their own news though, right? don't they sort of rely on sources like CNN and FOX for actual content?
They are video versions of PB.
It used to be that people would read the Times or the Telegraph or the Washington Post to hear about what is going on in the world, and to read analysis. Instead they now read sites like PB, or watch video content online.
And that means there is a massively more diverse set of content providers.
Yes I guess so. I was watching legal analysis of attempts by some US states (in this case Texas) to legislate against big social media censorship just this morning...
Talk about anorak.
I have some sympathy with the Texas law. But the bit I take umbrage with is that they seek to disallow firms from simply not serving Texas. That shouldn't be possible.
If I decide, I don't want to abide by the law by not selling my product to customers in Texas, that should be fine. It'd be like the EU mandating that everything a US company sold in the UK must be compliant with EU law.
Yes I absolutely agree, that is going too far.
The lawyer on the show I saw said that other states are coming forward with similar proposals, so not offering a service in a particular state rather than complying with the law is going to be challenging. This one will probably run and run, I guess.
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
We also see our own chapter close . I do think part of the grief people feel is indeed a grief for a closing of that chapter which symbolizes our own step further towards our own mortality .
Time continues to pass , whilst the Queen was still here we could stay in that chapter , holding back the sands of time .
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
Muslims believe Christianity is basically polytheism (because of the Trinity), so I'd debate that.
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
Muslims believe Christianity is basically polytheism (because of the Trinity), so I'd debate that.
Even Muslims still share the Christian belief in God the Father
Charles looks like a man who’s had a long, not very easy day.
And who can blame him?
Day? two weeks really. Must be totally exhausted.
Let's not forget those who were furious and irritated with him because he let this emotion get the better of him for the slightest moment when his fountain pen didn't work.
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
I was more thinking of the sins that a certain Mr Thomas confessed to in his book Millions of Women are Waiting to Meet You.
Well that was quite something, and apparently there is still a private burial service to come. I hope they get a small break before then, it has been a long day.
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
Charles looks like a man who’s had a long, not very easy day.
And who can blame him?
There has been a lot, a lot of ceremonial. On a national level it is apt, but at a personal level that was gruelling. Most families would have long since retired to the function room of the Slug and Lettuce on Windsor High Street to console the closest, share memories, catch up with family members and eat a platter of sandwiches and some pineapple on sticks.
In all seriousness, this whole thing is the greatest advert for religious belief that I can conceive
As @Foxy pointed out, one reason she was so fulfilled and so long lived is because, this
Plus you get this ritual at the end. Who on earth would choose atheism?!
The problem, of course, is that it isn't really a choice -- if you don't believe in God, then thinking life would be better if you did won't make it so. (I'm currently listening to the 1990 Reith Lectures where Jonathan Sacks talks a lot about what society and individuals lost in the fading out of religious beliefs and values and the transition to a more secular individualistic society -- and my reaction is rather "well, I agree we've lost something, but you aren't setting out anything that really helps in getting it back...")
Charles looks like a man who’s had a long, not very easy day.
And who can blame him?
There has been a lot, a lot of ceremonial. On a national level it is apt, but at a personal level that was gruelling. Most families would have long since retired to the function room of the Slug and Lettuce on Windsor High Street to console the closest, share memories, catch up with family members and eat a platter of sandwiches and some pineapple on sticks.
The last great location it existed was the lobbies of expensive office buildings. But now people waiting in lobbies (and there are far fewer of them too) are on their phones: they're not staring at an expensive flat screens.
CNN is failing first. But even Fox News is getting killed. Back in 2014/2015, they used to get almost 5m viewers during primetime. Today, on a good day, it's more like 3.5m. And on some days they're floating with the 3m mark.
How did they even think CNN+ was a good idea or viable ?
(a) HBO and Disney produce video content (b) HBO and Disney have launched successful on-line subscription services (c) We also produce video content Therefore... (d) We can launch a successful on-line subscription service
And you know what? The Times, the FT, the New York Time and the Washington Post have successful on-line news platforms that make lots of money.
But it's hard to think of how they could make CNN+ work. I simply don't want to pay to see just another talking head.
Prior to CNN+ there was Quibi, an entertainment channel producing short videos for subscribers on mobile devices that thought it could cash in and it bombed too.
YouTube is an opportunity for these news channels to make money as well as reaching to the demographics moving away from cable.
I’m not sure they are fully exploiting it at the moment.
Charles looks like a man who’s had a long, not very easy day.
And who can blame him?
There has been a lot, a lot of ceremonial. On a national level it is apt, but at a personal level that was gruelling. Most families would have long since retired to the function room of the Slug and Lettuce on Windsor High Street to console the closest, share memories, catch up with family members and eat a platter of sandwiches and some pineapple on sticks.
Not over yet either. They still have the actual internment at 7.30 this evening.
What a day. No wonder both Charles and Charlotte found it a bit much.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
We commented how the crematorium in South Shields is better than the others we've attended funerals at as the curtain is at one side so it's not so obvious and easier to look elsewhere should you need to...
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
Charles looks like a man who’s had a long, not very easy day.
And who can blame him?
There has been a lot, a lot of ceremonial. On a national level it is apt, but at a personal level that was gruelling. Most families would have long since retired to the function room of the Slug and Lettuce on Windsor High Street to console the closest, share memories, catch up with family members and eat a platter of sandwiches and some pineapple on sticks.
Not over yet either. They still have the actual internment at 7.30 this evening.
What a day. No wonder both Charles and Charlotte found it a bit much.
In all seriousness, this whole thing is the greatest advert for religious belief that I can conceive
As @Foxy pointed out, one reason she was so fulfilled and so long lived is because, this
Plus you get this ritual at the end. Who on earth would choose atheism?!
The problem, of course, is that it isn't really a choice -- if you don't believe in God, then thinking life would be better if you did won't make it so. (I'm currently listening to the 1990 Reith Lectures where Jonathan Sacks talks a lot about what society and individuals lost in the fading out of religious beliefs and values and the transition to a more secular individualistic society -- and my reaction is rather "well, I agree we've lost something, but you aren't setting out anything that really helps in getting it back...")
So, have a go at finding faith. Try a pilgrimage, fast for 2 weeks, go to Tibet, take ayahuasca
All these are routes to faith. And well trodden. And known to work. Do the work
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
There was quite a good Mitchell and Webb radio sketch (not sure it made it to the TV show) where someone is at the pearly gates and St.Peter is checking if they qualify to get in. He goes through a list of the various fads God has been through 'For long time you had to be a Lib Dem...'.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
In all seriousness, this whole thing is the greatest advert for religious belief that I can conceive
As @Foxy pointed out, one reason she was so fulfilled and so long lived is because, this
Plus you get this ritual at the end. Who on earth would choose atheism?!
The problem, of course, is that it isn't really a choice -- if you don't believe in God, then thinking life would be better if you did won't make it so. (I'm currently listening to the 1990 Reith Lectures where Jonathan Sacks talks a lot about what society and individuals lost in the fading out of religious beliefs and values and the transition to a more secular individualistic society -- and my reaction is rather "well, I agree we've lost something, but you aren't setting out anything that really helps in getting it back...")
So, have a go at finding faith. Try a pilgrimage, fast for 2 weeks, go to Tibet, take ayahuasca
All these are routes to faith. And well trodden. And known to work. Do the work
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
Many sympathies, OKC. Have a similar t-shirt so know the feeling, and understand.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
Thoughts with you OKC on a day that brings such reminders to the fore.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
Im very sorry, no parent should have to say goodbye like that
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
So very sorry to hear that. Happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
Please see post to OKC, which applies equally to you and yours.
Good for her. She shed a tear earlier. She’s done fine this week past.
Yes, surprising, but Meghan did very well.
Just a shame that this deeply sad week or so has done them so much good in the public's eye and yet that will all change again with Harry's book. All that credit will be lost
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
So very sorry to hear that. Happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago.
Its a one in a million chance. There is only one team in the UK that deals with cjd and its in Edinburgh. V grateful to them.
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That or the difference between the funeral and committal
Princess Elizabeth of York 1926-1936
Princess Elizabeth of the United Kingdom 1936-1952
Queen from then on.
The royal family don’t have a surname in a legal sense. Or at least, not until recently.
(b) HBO and Disney have launched successful on-line subscription services
(c) We also produce video content
Therefore...
(d) We can launch a successful on-line subscription service
And you know what? The Times, the FT, the New York Time and the Washington Post have successful on-line news platforms that make lots of money.
But it's hard to think of how they could make CNN+ work. I simply don't want to pay to see just another talking head.
Hangs head in shame. What happens to those finishing the award at the mo? The King's award?
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
And who can blame him?
Remember HMQ on her own at her husband's funeral and Johnson with a glass in his hand at any one of several events. For shame, for shame.
The lawyer on the show I saw said that other states are coming forward with similar proposals, so not offering a service in a particular state rather than complying with the law is going to be challenging. This one will probably run and run, I guess.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
We also see our own chapter close . I do think part of the grief people feel is indeed a grief for a closing of that chapter which symbolizes our own step further towards our own mortality .
Time continues to pass , whilst the Queen was still here we could stay in that chapter , holding back the sands of time .
In fact, when my Internet crashed and I had to go back to the other one I found it inferior in every way as the iPlayer one was in HD.
Had to leave the room.
It is just one family but the emotions are universal. Which is the point I think
Yep. They put in the hours there
YouTube is an opportunity for these news channels to make money as well as reaching to the demographics moving away from cable.
I’m not sure they are fully exploiting it at the moment.
What a day. No wonder both Charles and Charlotte found it a bit much.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/why-the-queen-will-be-buried-in-the-tiniest-plainest-sanctuary-in-the-world-s-largest-occupied-castle-20220916-p5bij0.html
All these are routes to faith. And well trodden. And known to work. Do the work
My condolences.
Facepalm.
Still she did well. Very difficult message to close on and deliver without feeling it deeply.
I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it
*group hug*
Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump