While I'm sure the number that will see video of the funeral will be enormous, I would be very surprised if 3 billion people watched the funeral live.
For a start, the timing makes is hard for those on the West Coast of the US to even be up, while most of those on the East Coast or in Latin America would likely be on their way to (or actually at) work. Likewise, those in China would have needed to stay up very late to watch.
Three billion would mean that three quarters of the people not in China / US / LatAm watched the funeral. And when you remember that lots of people are very poor or very young, that number just seems out by 2 or 3x.
I suspect, fwiw, that when you include people that see clips on the News or on YouTube or TikTok, then you will get a number approaching (or even exceeding) the 3bn.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
My observations on my trips to New Zealand, and the reports from relations they're suggesting that New Zealand is becoming much more itself, and much less like the UK.
Ardern herself said over the weekend she expects New Zealand to become a Republic within her lifetime
Also polling in Australia is only 60/40 for the monarchy
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
The polling won't change a bean.
King Charles was the republicans last best hope, and they've already lost.
Doesn't that depend on how many more leaky pens he has to deal with?
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
I was just thinking that HY fits into at least one of those categories.
I was in the crowd opposite Horseguards today and I thought the mood was surprisingly sour. There was a lot of anger at journalist, obviously foreign tourists and office workers trying to push in. I have this feeling that the national mourning has temporarily papered over something nasty. I think We’re going to be in for a lot of social division over the winter as the cost of living crises bites. Sorry to bring the mood down but after a busy week I’m feeling quite depressed,
There does seem to be a weird, hectoring exultation in the air based on what people want to believe, a triumph of the will as it were.
Such euphoria always dissipates faster than snow off a dyke.
Snow off a dyke?
Is that about @LadyG now that Leon has passed into history.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
My observations on my trips to New Zealand, and the reports from relations they're suggesting that New Zealand is becoming much more itself, and much less like the UK.
Ardern herself said over the weekend she expects New Zealand to become a Republic within her lifetime
Also polling in Australia is only 60/40 for the monarchy
President Biden may have been one of the few dignitaries granted permission to take his own transport to Westminster Abbey but once there he had to settle for a seat 14 rows back
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
You can’t fool me. I’ve heard the Genesis song! Will you be moving constituency?
I was in the crowd opposite Horseguards today and I thought the mood was surprisingly sour. There was a lot of anger at journalist, obviously foreign tourists and office workers trying to push in. I have this feeling that the national mourning has temporarily papered over something nasty. I think We’re going to be in for a lot of social division over the winter as the cost of living crises bites. Sorry to bring the mood down but after a busy week I’m feeling quite depressed,
There does seem to be a weird, hectoring exultation in the air based on what people want to believe, a triumph of the will as it were.
Such euphoria always dissipates faster than snow off a dyke.
Snow off a dyke?
Is that about @LadyG now that Leon has passed into history.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
You can’t fool me. I’ve heard the Genesis song! Will you be moving constituency?
Yes to rural Ongar in Brentwood and Ongar constituency, though still Epping Forest District
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
I went to Epping seven years ago this weekend, for a diesel gala on the Epping and Ongar railway. Facebook just reminded me with a fetching photo of me stood next to a Deltic, it was either 55009 or 55019. So as far as I am concerned it is a fabulous place.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
I get the impression that they have adjusted to take account of the new situation.
They are unlikely to turn their clocks back, whatever we do or have done
Today has been an amazing spectacle even the most cynical should accept and it has shown our country at its best
I expect it has benefitted the monarchy and the union
The coronation next year will be another spectacular event
It will but it will not be on this scale, certainly not globally. Nor on the scale of the Queen's own coronation in 1953.
She was truly our last imperial monarch. Charles, William and George will be monarchs more in the style of the Scandinavian, Dutch and Spanish monarchies
Enough of your declinist drivel
Yes, the Empire has gone. It went 50 years ago, and probably not before time
And yet we still live in a remarkable country, which influences the world in innumerable ways, far and beyond military or economic power
Indeed: As the free world faces Putin and China my guess is that a nation like Great Britain will gain in symbolic power: as we embody incredible tradition plus ongoing freedom. As we see here
People admire Britain because we are free and fair. And ancient. Not because we have nuclear missiles. Learn this
We do but when the Queen came to the throne we were still just about a superpower alongside the US and USSR with Churchill as PM and we still had a large Empire.
Now we are a middle ranking power only, the only true global superpowers now are the USA still and China.
People also admire Sweden, Ireland, Canada etc but none of them are superpowers either
No, the steam had gone out of it by then. In the 1930's arguably we were still a superpower, but WW2 finished us off.
We were still certainly top 3 in the early 1950s, now we are not even if still top 10
Not even top 10?
You sir are utterly ridiculous. There is no real list of top nations, but in any objective measurement normally we would feature quite rightly in the top 5, let alone the top 10.
Major powers now on the planet would be just 2 - USA and China, then the UK would feature near the top of other large powers alongside such nations as Germany, France and Japan.
On pretty much every metric - economic power, military power, cultural influence, educational institutions etc - we would be top ten.
And in most we would be top five.
The only exception to this I could think, would be population.
I was in the crowd opposite Horseguards today and I thought the mood was surprisingly sour. There was a lot of anger at journalist, obviously foreign tourists and office workers trying to push in. I have this feeling that the national mourning has temporarily papered over something nasty. I think We’re going to be in for a lot of social division over the winter as the cost of living crises bites. Sorry to bring the mood down but after a busy week I’m feeling quite depressed,
There does seem to be a weird, hectoring exultation in the air based on what people want to believe, a triumph of the will as it were.
Such euphoria always dissipates faster than snow off a dyke.
Snow off a dyke?
Is that about @LadyG now that Leon has passed into history.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Yes it is, East Anglia can include Essex and Cambridgeshire, not just Norfolk and Suffolk.
Saffron Walden, Maldon, Colchester, Coggeshall etc are closer to Suffolk and Cambridgeshire than London
While I'm sure the number that will see video of the funeral will be enormous, I would be very surprised if 3 billion people watched the funeral live.
For a start, the timing makes is hard for those on the West Coast of the US to even be up, while most of those on the East Coast or in Latin America would likely be on their way to (or actually at) work. Likewise, those in China would have needed to stay up very late to watch.
Three billion would mean that three quarters of the people not in China / US / LatAm watched the funeral. And when you remember that lots of people are very poor or very young, that number just seems out by 2 or 3x.
I suspect, fwiw, that when you include people that see clips on the News or on YouTube or TikTok, then you will get a number approaching (or even exceeding) the 3bn.
But live "tuning in": I'd be very surprised.
China's only 8 hours ahead. It was actually really conveniently timed for them.
I was in the crowd opposite Horseguards today and I thought the mood was surprisingly sour. There was a lot of anger at journalist, obviously foreign tourists and office workers trying to push in. I have this feeling that the national mourning has temporarily papered over something nasty. I think We’re going to be in for a lot of social division over the winter as the cost of living crises bites. Sorry to bring the mood down but after a busy week I’m feeling quite depressed,
There does seem to be a weird, hectoring exultation in the air based on what people want to believe, a triumph of the will as it were.
Such euphoria always dissipates faster than snow off a dyke.
Snow off a dyke?
Is that about @LadyG now that Leon has passed into history.
A friend of mine had a review blocked on Google. It didn't like her mentioning she was walking Offa's Dyke Path.
Worth doing? I was in a beautiful part of North Wales last weekend and noted it ran through the area.
It runs the whole length of the border, so it varies somewhat. The stretch from Hay to Pandy is amazing but hard work. The areas around Knighton much underrated. The north - less interesting.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
You can’t fool me. I’ve heard the Genesis song! Will you be moving constituency?
Yes to rural Ongar in Brentwood and Ongar constituency, though still Epping Forest District
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Kind of with Hyufd on this one, GardenW.
You might be technically correct but there are parts of Essex that do shade of physically and culturally into East Anglia. That wouldn't be Epping though, which is a nice little town with a lively mix of comfortable Shire types, made-good East Enders, a few City types, retired gangsters (though they tend to prefer Chigwell and Buckhurst hill), ex-barrow boys grown rich from Walthamstow market, and also some genuine rural folk.
You'd be surprised how often you hear genuine country accents in the local pubs round there.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
You won't sheikh him.
Like the Bedouin, he is intent.
I think he is being a bit of an annoying Tuareg on this subject. Nomad -er person on this site IMO
I was in the crowd opposite Horseguards today and I thought the mood was surprisingly sour. There was a lot of anger at journalist, obviously foreign tourists and office workers trying to push in. I have this feeling that the national mourning has temporarily papered over something nasty. I think We’re going to be in for a lot of social division over the winter as the cost of living crises bites. Sorry to bring the mood down but after a busy week I’m feeling quite depressed,
There does seem to be a weird, hectoring exultation in the air based on what people want to believe, a triumph of the will as it were.
Such euphoria always dissipates faster than snow off a dyke.
Snow off a dyke?
Is that about @LadyG now that Leon has passed into history.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Yes it is, East Anglia can include Essex and Cambridgeshire, not just Norfolk and Suffolk.
Saffron Walden, Maldon, Colchester, Coggeshall etc are closer to Suffolk and Cambridgeshire than London
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Why do royalists care if Australia/NZ become republics when they don't even live there? Surely, it's more Charles for you if Australia fucks him off.
As we believe in our Commonwealth realm family and most of us have family in Australia or NZ or both
Most nations in the Commonwealth are republics already, and remain in the Commonwealth. If Aus, NZ or Canada became a republic, they'd stay in the Commonwealth and remain family even then.
As would any family you have there. They aren't suddenly not family just because of a change in head of state.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Yes it is, East Anglia can include Essex and Cambridgeshire, not just Norfolk and Suffolk.
Saffron Walden, Maldon, Colchester, Coggeshall etc are closer to Suffolk and Cambridgeshire than London
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Yes it is, East Anglia can include Essex and Cambridgeshire, not just Norfolk and Suffolk.
Saffron Walden, Maldon, Colchester, Coggeshall etc are closer to Suffolk and Cambridgeshire than London
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Sure, but what I said is still a fact.
Its not. NZ has been growing faster than the UK, not been getting poorer, since 1993.
Now if you'd said when Britain joined the EEC, that may have been different . . .
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Christiane Amanpour on CNN described the UK as a declining power due in part to Brexit.
Feeling very surprised to be very moved and patriotic about HMQ's funeral. Very beautifully and tastefully done. The tradition of the armed forces and their dignified part in the proceedings is absolutely outstanding. I am veering back to being a monarchist for the first time in many years.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Yes it is, East Anglia can include Essex and Cambridgeshire, not just Norfolk and Suffolk.
Saffron Walden, Maldon, Colchester, Coggeshall etc are closer to Suffolk and Cambridgeshire than London
Superb. I predict here and now: the monarchy will become MORE popular as people react to the Woke and Culture Wars and the sense of the Free West versus the illiberal rest
The British monarchy is the monarchy of the free world. It is obviously Christian. It is us. The west
Do Aussies want to be another Asian republic like Indonesia or China? No
Ordinary Australians are more worried about the influence of China than we are, and concerned that their politicians and businesses are too keen on Chinese money.
Australia's export economy is based around shipping natural resources to China, so that concern is understandable.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Yes it is, East Anglia can include Essex and Cambridgeshire, not just Norfolk and Suffolk.
Saffron Walden, Maldon, Colchester, Coggeshall etc are closer to Suffolk and Cambridgeshire than London
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them and those bombed out in the Blitz and the underground came to the county, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Christiane Amanpour on CNN described the UK as a declining power due in part to Brexit.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
My observations on my trips to New Zealand, and the reports from relations they're suggesting that New Zealand is becoming much more itself, and much less like the UK.
Ardern herself said over the weekend she expects New Zealand to become a Republic within her lifetime
Also polling in Australia is only 60/40 for the monarchy
You simply can't make pronouncements like this, its just not worth it and you are not comparing like with like.
I wonder what the polling result would have been among the victorious parliamentary army in the English Civil war? 90% for a Republic? Among the areas that were against the King in that War? same?
I even wonder what the polling would have been on Victoria's conduct as a monarch after the death of her husband?
As I understand it, many people were unhappy. We just don't know, and we never will.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Yes it is, East Anglia can include Essex and Cambridgeshire, not just Norfolk and Suffolk.
Saffron Walden, Maldon, Colchester, Coggeshall etc are closer to Suffolk and Cambridgeshire than London
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Christiane Amanpour on CNN described the UK as a declining power due in part to Brexit.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Australia and NZ haven't got a doorstep. NZ is about 3500 km from Australia let alone anywhere else.
They've grown rapidly by embracing trade around the planet and not letting distance be a factor to stop them from trading.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
There aren't many Ipswich fans in this part of N. Essex; plenty of West Ham supporters though.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Australia and NZ haven't got a doorstep. NZ is about 3500 km from Australia let alone anywhere else.
They've grown rapidly by embracing trade around the planet and not letting distance be a factor to stop them from trading.
They are a lot closer to Asia than they are to us.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Sure, but what I said is still a fact.
Its not. NZ has been growing faster than the UK, not been getting poorer, since 1993.
Now if you'd said when Britain joined the EEC, that may have been different . . .
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
There aren't many Ipswich fans in this part of N. Essex; plenty of West Ham supporters though.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Quite. He's ádmitted it with his assertion that English folk are more like Kiwis than they are to Scottish folk (whether this is actually true or not, he has abandoned the neighbourhood principle in so doing).
Minor point: We need to compose some more funeral marches. Getting a bit repetitive now.
Does anyone know what this one is called?
Dimbleby just said today's funeral marches are by Beethoven, No's 1, 2 and 3.
Another march by Walch is the famous "Beethoven Funeral March Number 1" played at the funeral of King Edward VII and also at the National Service of Remembrance in London on Remembrance Sunday each year on the Sunday nearest to 11 November. It is played after the playing of the Last Post, and during the Wreath Laying Ceremony. It is also announced as "Beethoven's Funeral March" on the BBC Television commentary. For a long time, the march was wrongly attributed to Beethoven, and catalogued as WoO (work without opus number), Anh. 13. The march was played during the processions to the lying in state at Westminster of Queen Elizabeth II and Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, at the procession to St Paul's Cathedral at the funeral of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher on 17 April 2013, and during the procession to St George's Chapel at the funeral of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh on 17 April 2021. On 25 March 2015, this same march was also played by the Singapore Armed Forces Band during the foot procession from the Istana to the lying in state of Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore's first Prime Minister, at the Parliament House of Singapore.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
I know we've had this argument a gazillion times, but the UK's economy doesn't look anything like Australia or New Zealand.
Australia has massively benefitted from having enormous quantities of cheaply extractable raw materials, at exactly the time that China (which happens to be very close) has needed them.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them and those bombed out in the Blitz and the underground came to the county, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
I was brought up in South Essex just after the war; left to go somewhere else to study in the very late 50s. We didn't regard ourselves as East Anglians; we were Essex. Suffolk and Norfolk were somewhere else!
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Australia and NZ haven't got a doorstep. NZ is about 3500 km from Australia let alone anywhere else.
They've grown rapidly by embracing trade around the planet and not letting distance be a factor to stop them from trading.
They are a lot closer to Asia than they are to us.
London to Beijing distance 5058 miles. Wellington to Beijing distance 5027 miles.
Presumably you think Asia is on our doorstep too then?
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Yes it is, East Anglia can include Essex and Cambridgeshire, not just Norfolk and Suffolk.
Saffron Walden, Maldon, Colchester, Coggeshall etc are closer to Suffolk and Cambridgeshire than London
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
South Essex is, more rural North Essex isn't. Certainly before Londoners from the East End really started moving into South Essex after the War and new towns like Harlow and Basildon were created for them, Essex was culturally very much an East Anglia county
No, it wasn’t.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
Quite. He's ádmitted it with his assertion that English folk are more like Kiwis than they are to Scottish folk (whether this is actually true or not, he has abandoned the neighbourhood principle in so doing).
More New Zealanders have English ancestry than that from any other nation, including Scotland
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Australia and NZ haven't got a doorstep. NZ is about 3500 km from Australia let alone anywhere else.
They've grown rapidly by embracing trade around the planet and not letting distance be a factor to stop them from trading.
They are a lot closer to Asia than they are to us.
But politically they feel - and wish they were - much closer to us. The new aggressive China freaks them out. Understandably
Hence my reckoning that they will not become republics any time soon. It’s a precious link with the free west and a bulwark against Asian autocracy
The peak moment for Aussie republicanism has possibly come and gone, at least in the medium term. In the long term we will all be gammon sex toys for Aliens
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Australia and NZ haven't got a doorstep. NZ is about 3500 km from Australia let alone anywhere else.
They've grown rapidly by embracing trade around the planet and not letting distance be a factor to stop them from trading.
Australia's top three trade partners are its resource poor Asian neighbours: China, Japan and South Korea.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
There aren't many Ipswich fans in this part of N. Essex; plenty of West Ham supporters though.
There arent many Ipswich fans anywhere tbf
Have the glory hunters started supporting the mega successful Norwich? Oh, wait …..
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
I know we've had this argument a gazillion times, but the UK's economy doesn't look anything like Australia or New Zealand.
Australia has massively benefitted from having enormous quantities of cheaply extractable raw materials, at exactly the time that China (which happens to be very close) has needed them.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Australia and NZ have grown rapidly by embracing the markets on their doorstep instead of trying to trade with us. Still, I am sure that erecting barriers to trade with our neighbours will be a sure fire route to prosperity.
Australia and NZ haven't got a doorstep. NZ is about 3500 km from Australia let alone anywhere else.
They've grown rapidly by embracing trade around the planet and not letting distance be a factor to stop them from trading.
They are a lot closer to Asia than they are to us.
London to Beijing distance 5058 miles. Wellington to Beijing distance 5027 miles.
Presumably you think Asia is on our doorstep too then?
And Wellington to London?
Nowhere is on New Zealand's doorstep (except possibly Australia).
But Asia is a hell of a lot closer to NZ than Europe is.
Not a representative time to take a poll though is it. Even the most hard hearted Republican can't help but be moved by the last few days events. Need to look at polls during more boring times in a few months time.
Precisely.
At least in NZ, there’s no hostility toward the monarchy. It’s just that that the individuals are so profoundly British, and so obviously un-NZ.
I don’t know how you domesticate or repatriate the monarchy to make it more “NZ”, although I do believe that a little can go a long way.
Are they? NZ is culturally closer to the UK than any other nation on earth
So you keep saying, and it’s not untrue, but it is simply not the UK.
And it is even less UK-like than it was when I left the country in 2000.
I would actually say NZ is culturally closer to England even than Ireland or maybe even Scotland
Well, you’ve never been. So you are theorising.
I would argue it’s closer to Scotland than England, but closer of all to Australia of course.
Anyway the relevant dimension is “wanting to keep the monarchy”, and despite present polling there is now an clear nagging question of why a “foreigner” is Head of State.
It isn't, Australia is probably closer to the US culturally than the UK now, New Zealand however is culturally still closer to the UK than US.
There is also the question of wokeism self hating the ancestry of Australians and New Zealanders, which the monarchy offers a chance for conservatives in both nations in particular to react against.
In Australia for example Coalition voters still clearly back the monarchy even if Green and Labor voters mostly don't
This is like me telling you that Epping is full of Arabs.
Having driven through Epping once, thirty years ago, I am an expert on the place. It’s full of cockney wide boys and small time gangsters.
It isn't, certainly not gangsters, it is not actually in East London, though a few City wide boys maybe. However Epping and its surrounds also have plenty of farmers, Epping is the border between the part of Essex which is part culturally outer East London and the part of Essex that is more rural East Anglia proper (we move to the latter in December)
No part of Essex is in East Anglia, strictly speaking. You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
Quite. When i restore the kingdom i get Norfolk, Suffolk, the Isle of Ely and parts of Holland in Lincolnshure
The Essex county council chamber has the names of the Essex Kings around its roof. There weren't very many of them, and mostly seemed to be called Seigbert. Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
Yes, the name gives away the saxon/angle split Essex is a different beast to Anglia
There aren't many Ipswich fans in this part of N. Essex; plenty of West Ham supporters though.
There arent many Ipswich fans anywhere tbf
There are a few more now I think; they're doing better!
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For a start, the timing makes is hard for those on the West Coast of the US to even be up, while most of those on the East Coast or in Latin America would likely be on their way to (or actually at) work. Likewise, those in China would have needed to stay up very late to watch.
Three billion would mean that three quarters of the people not in China / US / LatAm watched the funeral. And when you remember that lots of people are very poor or very young, that number just seems out by 2 or 3x.
I suspect, fwiw, that when you include people that see clips on the News or on YouTube or TikTok, then you will get a number approaching (or even exceeding) the 3bn.
But live "tuning in": I'd be very surprised.
Also polling in Australia is only 60/40 for the monarchy
Change is coming sooner or later
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1571842183753338881?t=enXXMVbEncQJh1Be0uHniA&s=19
https://indy-prints.com/products/its-like-snaw-aff-a-dyke-card
Commented on by quite a few friends from abroad.
Still, I just thought that sort of thing made one go blind.
Will it be booed !
https://twitter.com/tldrnewsuk/status/1571833118168055809?s=21&t=A1aqLhLZAewKekBeyzPO8g
Ardern trails the monarchist Opposition leader Luxon in NZ polls
But it's all dragging on a bit too long now.
Will you be moving constituency?
You don’t even know about your own neighbourhood.
It is going on quite a bit now. Looking forward to post funeral run.
They are unlikely to turn their clocks back, whatever we do or have done
And in most we would be top five.
The only exception to this I could think, would be population.
If only there was a way to stop that.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
Saffron Walden, Maldon, Colchester, Coggeshall etc are closer to Suffolk and Cambridgeshire than London
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Anglia#/media/File:East_Anglia_UK_Locator_Map.svg
Although it's a while since I've been in the county council chamber!
You might be technically correct but there are parts of Essex that do shade of physically and culturally into East Anglia. That wouldn't be Epping though, which is a nice little town with a lively mix of comfortable Shire types, made-good East Enders, a few City types, retired gangsters (though they tend to prefer Chigwell and Buckhurst hill), ex-barrow boys grown rich from Walthamstow market, and also some genuine rural folk.
You'd be surprised how often you hear genuine country accents in the local pubs round there.
As would any family you have there. They aren't suddenly not family just because of a change in head of state.
Wtf
Essex is a different beast to Anglia
Now if you'd said when Britain joined the EEC, that may have been different . . .
Just thought I’d throw that scrap of meat in.
Feeling very surprised to be very moved and patriotic about HMQ's funeral. Very beautifully and tastefully done. The tradition of the armed forces and their dignified part in the proceedings is absolutely outstanding. I am veering back to being a monarchist for the first time in many years.
You simply can't make pronouncements like this, its just not worth it and you are not comparing like with like.
I wonder what the polling result would have been among the victorious parliamentary army in the English Civil war? 90% for a Republic? Among the areas that were against the King in that War? same?
I even wonder what the polling would have been on Victoria's conduct as a monarch after the death of her husband?
As I understand it, many people were unhappy. We just don't know, and we never will.
They've grown rapidly by embracing trade around the planet and not letting distance be a factor to stop them from trading.
Rural Essex’s cultural affinities were more with rural Hertfordshire and even rural Middlesex.
Of course, as a neighbour of East Anglia you would expect some similarities, but to neighbour is not the same thing as to actually be.
What's the Ukr representation today?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Heinrich_Walch
57% of Australia's exports are of raw materials.
For the UK, it's 8%.
Australia has massively benefitted from having enormous quantities of cheaply extractable raw materials, at exactly the time that China (which happens to be very close) has needed them.
Wellington to Beijing distance 5027 miles.
Presumably you think Asia is on our doorstep too then?
Hence my reckoning that they will not become republics any time soon. It’s a precious link with the free west and a bulwark against Asian autocracy
The peak moment for Aussie republicanism has possibly come and gone, at least in the medium term. In the long term we will all be gammon sex toys for Aliens
Nowhere is on New Zealand's doorstep (except possibly Australia).
But Asia is a hell of a lot closer to NZ than Europe is.