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  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,656

    Ukrainian forces will likely capture Kupyansk in the next 72 hours, severely degrading but not completely severing Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) to Izyum,
    @TheStudyofWar says


    4 hours later:

    “Kupyansk”
    Good lord, what’s going on.


    https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1568185503962259459

    Logistics hubs aren’t especially important for invading forces in winter time are they?….

  • CookieCookie Posts: 8,112
    MaxPB said:

    A quite sad thought I just had is that the UK will never see a queen again in my lifetime. It's going to be Charles, Wills and then George if I manage to outlive Wills. The Queen really was the likes of which we will never see again.

    Yes, she is.
    I'm still not convinced there'll be another monarch after this one.
  • Assassin Liz still wearing her bondage necklace as she pays tribute...

    What is wrong with you ?
  • The cries of “God Save The King” in the Commons chamber - goosebumps
  • eekeek Posts: 22,056
    AlistairM said:

    Great North Run going ahead...

    Sunday’s #GreatNorthRun will go ahead as planned.

    Whilst we want runners to enjoy the day, we encourage everyone to be mindful of the very special circumstances in which the event will be taking place.

    https://twitter.com/Great_Run/status/1568195612583018496

    They say that it is important the fundraising goes ahead. I agree.

    It can't be postponed because came midnight Sunday the metro between South Shields and Pelaw is closed until December - and the work is only being done then rather than over the summer because of the impact the GNR has on travel...
  • I find myself desperate to hear what King Charles has to say at 6pm tonight.

    The nation is listless and disorientated. We need to hear a strong message of continuity and stability.
  • Decent speech from Liz I thought.

    She and Keir Starmer are both fit to lead this country.
  • A quick scout of Premier League fans forums reveals that this is a deeply unpopular decision.

    Who knew?

    The football authorities have got this wrong, given that it wasn't forced by the government. Playing or watching football is not disrespectful. A minute's silence (or whatever) at all the games would have been unifying - sharing respect.

    Cancel culture has gone mad, but we can't blame the woke left.

    Indeed the government were quite clear that they were happy for the games to go ahead, as you say suggesting minutes silence and armbands (although not mandating even those).
    The government haven't made the decision, the football authorities have, that's their job. It should be respected.

    If they chose to go ahead with a minutes silence, that should be respected. If they choose to postpone, that should be respected. Its their choice, not yours, not mine, not the governments and not fans either.
    Since when did libertarians become so deferential that football fans can't disagree with the people who run football authorities without being criticised for holding an opinion?
    Libertarianism is about people and organisations being able to make their own decisions instead of the Government deciding for you - which is precisely what has happened here. The Government didn't make the decision, the relevant authority chose to make its own decision about what happened to events in its own organisation.
    Football belongs to all, not just the suits.
    The Football League and Premier League do not. The Premier League is a private company.

    You can have a kickabout with your mates if you want.
    Ultimately they do, see the failed European Super League. The fans are integral to the organisations, even without a share of formal ownership.
    And the authorities have to decide what they think their fans want.

    Some fans will want the games to go ahead.
    Some fans will want the games postponed.

    Waiting until everyone wants the games to be played is the decision they've reached. They have the right to make that decision, its their choice, go and play a game yourself if you want.
    Of course, but it is fine for people to say they disagree! They do not have to set up an alternative Football Association or play a game themselves, they can just disagree with a decision, and on a debating forum, say that it was a bad decision. That's it.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 3,947
    MattW said:

    Interesting side effect from the sad events I hadn't realised. Not sure if it has ben mentioned yet today

    All Royal Warrants "By Appointment to ..." etc are issued by specific monarchs. When that monarch dies they become void. All companies and organisations must stop using the coat of arms and the title within 2 years.

    Not quite!

    The Duke of Edinburgh and Prince of Wales also had the right to Grant them. About 20% were issued by the PoW. And a small number by the DofE (which became void on his death).

    I have no idea what happens to the By Appointment to the Prince of Wales ones.

    /pendant

    The article suggested they were personally issued so all PoW ones will -> HM King.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    A quick scout of Premier League fans forums reveals that this is a deeply unpopular decision.

    Who knew?

    The football authorities have got this wrong, given that it wasn't forced by the government. Playing or watching football is not disrespectful. A minute's silence (or whatever) at all the games would have been unifying - sharing respect.

    Cancel culture has gone mad, but we can't blame the woke left.

    Indeed the government were quite clear that they were happy for the games to go ahead, as you say suggesting minutes silence and armbands (although not mandating even those).
    The government haven't made the decision, the football authorities have, that's their job. It should be respected.

    If they chose to go ahead with a minutes silence, that should be respected. If they choose to postpone, that should be respected. Its their choice, not yours, not mine, not the governments and not fans either.
    Since when did libertarians become so deferential that football fans can't disagree with the people who run football authorities without being criticised for holding an opinion?
    Libertarianism is about people and organisations being able to make their own decisions instead of the Government deciding for you - which is precisely what has happened here. The Government didn't make the decision, the relevant authority chose to make its own decision about what happened to events in its own organisation.
    Football belongs to all, not just the suits.
    hahahahaha

    I love the affectation of agency there, where I have never seen anything more spineless than a "football fan", that wasn't permanently anchored in a rock pool. People prepared to pay three to four figure sums to watch a bunch of rapists and cat molesters punting a ball around for 90 minutes, are exactly cash machines for the suits.
  • biggles said:

    Sean_F said:

    It looks like continuing good news for Ukraine:

    @wartranslated
    Wagner Grey Zone believes both Izyum and Kuypansk may in fact be completely cut off by now.


    https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1568170459400634368

    It seems like a rout to me.
    I dont want to get carried away but is the Russian border well sign-posted so they know when to stop?
    Let’s call it Moscow for a decent buffer zone.
    What's wrong with the Chinese border?
    The Chinese might be interested in moving it.
  • A quick scout of Premier League fans forums reveals that this is a deeply unpopular decision.

    Who knew?

    The football authorities have got this wrong, given that it wasn't forced by the government. Playing or watching football is not disrespectful. A minute's silence (or whatever) at all the games would have been unifying - sharing respect.

    Cancel culture has gone mad, but we can't blame the woke left.

    Indeed the government were quite clear that they were happy for the games to go ahead, as you say suggesting minutes silence and armbands (although not mandating even those).
    The government haven't made the decision, the football authorities have, that's their job. It should be respected.

    If they chose to go ahead with a minutes silence, that should be respected. If they choose to postpone, that should be respected. Its their choice, not yours, not mine, not the governments and not fans either.
    Since when did libertarians become so deferential that football fans can't disagree with the people who run football authorities without being criticised for holding an opinion?
    Libertarianism is about people and organisations being able to make their own decisions instead of the Government deciding for you - which is precisely what has happened here. The Government didn't make the decision, the relevant authority chose to make its own decision about what happened to events in its own organisation.
    Football belongs to all, not just the suits.
    The Football League and Premier League do not. The Premier League is a private company.

    You can have a kickabout with your mates if you want.
    Ultimately they do, see the failed European Super League. The fans are integral to the organisations, even without a share of formal ownership.
    And the authorities have to decide what they think their fans want.

    Some fans will want the games to go ahead.
    Some fans will want the games postponed.

    Waiting until everyone wants the games to be played is the decision they've reached. They have the right to make that decision, its their choice, go and play a game yourself if you want.
    Of course, but it is fine for people to say they disagree! They do not have to set up an alternative Football Association or play a game themselves, they can just disagree with a decision, and on a debating forum, say that it was a bad decision. That's it.
    Oh of course people have the right to disagree.

    They don't have the entitlement to change the decision though.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Driver said:

    I do hope we aren’t going to start randomly cancelling stuff. We have spent the best of two and a half years shutting stuff down willy nilly.

    Let people make their own decisions. Why is the cricket cancelled today?

    Because the ECB decided that they didn't want to play, either as a sign of respect, or in part due to fear about how it might look to the public.

    This really isn't a big deal. Organisations are making their own decisions and you seem really upset by the decisions being made. Keep calm and carry on (or not, as the case may be).
    “ part due to fear about how it might look to the public”

    Is there any evidence that the public oppose the staging of such events? Should we also close shops and pubs and schools and workplaces because of a fear of how it would look if the Dog & Duck remains open?
    Personally I'm just not bothered either way. I'm happy for the ECB, and other organisations to make their own mind up.

    I know a lot of my knit group friends are still all excited about the Perth Festival of Yarn this weekend that is still going ahead. The ECB have made a different decision. That's up to them. I'm really not fussed. There's no edict coming down telling people what to do, forcing them to call things off. I don't see why you're so upset. It's exactly the situation you are asking for.
    No, it's not. Unless the ECB have some evidence that one or both of the paying public and the players want the match cancelled, why have they cancelled it?
    The answer to that is the same as the last dozen times you asked it: because they thought it was appropriate.
    It is reasonable to ask what is it about modern life that makes it appropriate now, when it wasn't in a more formal era after George VIs death.

    The answer is we are becoming more puritanical, and it is okay for some of us to lament that shift.
    wiki

    A period of national mourning followed George VI's death. Rugby and hockey games were postponed, though football matches continued with the singing of the national anthem and the hymn "Abide With Me" before each game.[2] Memorial services were held in churches of all denominations across the country and around the world, even in communist states.[4] There was some opposition to the mourning, social researchers from Mass-Observation recorded one 60-year-old woman who asked: "Don't they think of old folk, sick people, invalids? It's been terrible for them, all this gloom". On another occasion the organisation recorded that a fight broke out in a Notting Hill bar after one man said of the King, "He's only shit and soil now like anyone else".[2]

    Perhaps we can't have footie with Abide with Me because people now boo it?
    So a mix then, just like there's a mix now, but with added shite reality TV on E4.
  • Decent speech from Liz I thought.

    She and Keir Starmer are both fit to lead this country.

    Agree. Isn’t it refreshing?
    I think the next election will hopefully be about ideas rather than personalities which will be very good.

    I also predict very low turnout.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484
    AlistairM said:

    Leon said:
    It seems as if the "areas of control" was in fact a narrow "line of control". The Ukrainians broke the line and then have had a free run at the areas behind.

    Apparently Russian media is now putting out images of huge reinforcements being sent.

    Russian state media with footage of sizeable reinforcements heading toward Kharkiv region. Desperately needed considering the way Ukraine’s offensive is going.
    https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1568190728886444032

    Looks to me to be repeated footage of the same few tanks, trucks and a solitary howitzer. So I hope I'm not wrong in saying that the Russians look like they are in serious trouble now.
    🙏🙏🙏

    Twitter has plenty of pro Russian voices shrieking for peace and compromise and saying “we never wanted this war anyway” - which is a hopeful sign, at least

    Ins’allah they are chased all the way to the Volga

    But what will a mortally wounded Putin do in desperation if this continues?
  • Fantastic stuff from Starmer including quotes from Larkin.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Thoroughly ADEQUATE from Liz again. Wooden doesn't really stick as a criticism when you are sandwiched between Hoyle and SKS.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,446
    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    kinabalu said:

    mwadams said:

    Cyclefree said:



    Cookie said:

    Very peculiar email from work on the subject: - "speak to your line manager if it [the death of the queen] is impacting you particularly to ensure we can put in the right steps for you."

    I'm fairly sure there are no members of the royal family work at our place.

    This is exactly what I was lamenting earlier passing with the queen - the inability to just get on with things without emoting all over the place.

    It's when you see emails like that that you think (well, I think, anyway) that you could cheerfully sack about 90% of all HR departments without any loss at all.
    To be fair to them, there is a well-known psychological effect that, when confronted with the death of a public figure, a person can be quite badly affected for "no apparent reason" - usually because they have a mental health issue related to personal grief that is perhaps supressed under normal circumstances.
    Reading Casino's posts last night - which were clearly sincere - there are people needing some understanding and support.
    I said yesterday i was worried this was going to turn into proxy grief for Mum for me, and so it has. Ive been inexplicably tearful and uneasy given I am not even a monarchist to any degree. This event will draw out emotion, deep unhappiness and hidden grief in many of us. Especially after the downright evil suppressive effects of Covid and Lockdown.
    At the risk of being insensitive, was your mum a similar age to the queen? Personally, I feel that when an oldie in poor health dies it is more a matter of celebration of their life rather than a sadness at their death. I hope I don't make it to 96.
    Mum was 80 when she died.
    Ah. Apologies for asking. My mum is 88 and alive but with a life not worth living. I hope when she dies my reaction will be to celebrate her life rather than mourn her passing though I guess it may be different when the time comes.
    As Big_G said, you will celebrate their life but still grieve your loss.

    What I found immediately after the death of each of my parents, is that their illness was no longer at the foremost of my thoughts. Their life was now complete, and I was thinking much more about the whole of their life, which of course included many happy memories.


  • It seems even orc invaders are standing down in deference to the passing of the Queen.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Thoroughly ADEQUATE from Liz again. Wooden doesn't really stick as a criticism when you are sandwiched between Hoyle and SKS.

    No it doesn't but neither does it for Keir, which was one of the biggest Tory attack lines they had.
  • Keir Starmer: “at a time when we were most alone…she held the nation close, in a way no one else could have done. For that, we say thank you.”
  • StockyStocky Posts: 8,712
    Cookie said:

    MaxPB said:

    A quite sad thought I just had is that the UK will never see a queen again in my lifetime. It's going to be Charles, Wills and then George if I manage to outlive Wills. The Queen really was the likes of which we will never see again.

    Yes, she is.
    I'm still not convinced there'll be another monarch after this one.
    By what mechanism won't there be?
  • Decent speech from Liz I thought.

    She and Keir Starmer are both fit to lead this country.

    You may be surprised but I agree
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    edited September 2022
    AlistairM said:

    The kids football club have just been emailed by the FA asking for all football matches to be cancelled this weekend. My 9yo son will be in tears now.

    That's a bit reminiscent of beating the bounds of a parish - taking children to the key landmarks and thrashing them so they don't forget the landmarks when they're 80 year old greybeards. He'll sure remember when HMtQ died. But is it the right thing to do?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 15,467
    Driver said:

    Stocky said:

    Driver said:

    I do hope we aren’t going to start randomly cancelling stuff. We have spent the best of two and a half years shutting stuff down willy nilly.

    Let people make their own decisions. Why is the cricket cancelled today?

    Because the ECB decided that they didn't want to play, either as a sign of respect, or in part due to fear about how it might look to the public.

    This really isn't a big deal. Organisations are making their own decisions and you seem really upset by the decisions being made. Keep calm and carry on (or not, as the case may be).
    “ part due to fear about how it might look to the public”

    Is there any evidence that the public oppose the staging of such events? Should we also close shops and pubs and schools and workplaces because of a fear of how it would look if the Dog & Duck remains open?
    Personally I'm just not bothered either way. I'm happy for the ECB, and other organisations to make their own mind up.

    I know a lot of my knit group friends are still all excited about the Perth Festival of Yarn this weekend that is still going ahead. The ECB have made a different decision. That's up to them. I'm really not fussed. There's no edict coming down telling people what to do, forcing them to call things off. I don't see why you're so upset. It's exactly the situation you are asking for.
    No, it's not. Unless the ECB have some evidence that one or both of the paying public and the players want the match cancelled, why have they cancelled it?
    The answer to that is the same as the last dozen times you asked it: because they thought it was appropriate.
    They are imposing - with no government mandate - what THEY thought was appropriate on the lives of other who may not feel that it is appropriate.
    Tough. They are the organisers of these events and they have the right to decide if they think circumstances warrant them being called off. Just because you don't think any of this matters doesn't mean that millions of other people feel the same way. They are showing respect during a period of mourning for the whole country. Now you may not want to take part in that mourning in which case go read a book or watch a DVD. But your criticism of organisations showing respect for someone who has served and guided this country for the last 70 years frankly stinks.

    No one is forcing you or Anabob to do one single thing. Stop behaving like a child because you can't have your sweeties.
    Do the fans want these games called off?
    I don't care. It is appropriate whatever they might think.
    According to you. If you don't want to watch the game, nobody is forcing you to. Why would you want to impose your views on everyone else? The government is happy for the games to go ahead.
    He's not the one wanting to impose his views on everyone else - you are.
    Nope - that's the wrong way around.

    I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. Those that don't want to attend or watch football need not do so.

    The football authorities are forcibly stopping the games, despite the government itself being happy for them to continue.
  • Keir Starmer: “at a time when we were most alone…she held the nation close, in a way no one else could have done. For that, we say thank you.”

    I had to reach for a tissue at that point.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 10,172
    edited September 2022

    Driver said:

    Stocky said:

    Driver said:

    I do hope we aren’t going to start randomly cancelling stuff. We have spent the best of two and a half years shutting stuff down willy nilly.

    Let people make their own decisions. Why is the cricket cancelled today?

    Because the ECB decided that they didn't want to play, either as a sign of respect, or in part due to fear about how it might look to the public.

    This really isn't a big deal. Organisations are making their own decisions and you seem really upset by the decisions being made. Keep calm and carry on (or not, as the case may be).
    “ part due to fear about how it might look to the public”

    Is there any evidence that the public oppose the staging of such events? Should we also close shops and pubs and schools and workplaces because of a fear of how it would look if the Dog & Duck remains open?
    Personally I'm just not bothered either way. I'm happy for the ECB, and other organisations to make their own mind up.

    I know a lot of my knit group friends are still all excited about the Perth Festival of Yarn this weekend that is still going ahead. The ECB have made a different decision. That's up to them. I'm really not fussed. There's no edict coming down telling people what to do, forcing them to call things off. I don't see why you're so upset. It's exactly the situation you are asking for.
    No, it's not. Unless the ECB have some evidence that one or both of the paying public and the players want the match cancelled, why have they cancelled it?
    The answer to that is the same as the last dozen times you asked it: because they thought it was appropriate.
    They are imposing - with no government mandate - what THEY thought was appropriate on the lives of other who may not feel that it is appropriate.
    Tough. They are the organisers of these events and they have the right to decide if they think circumstances warrant them being called off. Just because you don't think any of this matters doesn't mean that millions of other people feel the same way. They are showing respect during a period of mourning for the whole country. Now you may not want to take part in that mourning in which case go read a book or watch a DVD. But your criticism of organisations showing respect for someone who has served and guided this country for the last 70 years frankly stinks.

    No one is forcing you or Anabob to do one single thing. Stop behaving like a child because you can't have your sweeties.
    Do the fans want these games called off?
    I don't care. It is appropriate whatever they might think.
    According to you. If you don't want to watch the game, nobody is forcing you to. Why would you want to impose your views on everyone else? The government is happy for the games to go ahead.
    He's not the one wanting to impose his views on everyone else - you are.
    Nope - that's the wrong way around.

    I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. Those that don't want to attend or watch football need not do so.

    The football authorities are forcibly stopping the games, despite the government itself being happy for them to continue.
    Its their games, its their choice.

    The games don't belong to the government. They do belong to the authorities.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491

    @EmmanuelMacron
    To you, she was your Queen.
    To us, she was The Queen.
    She will be with all of us forever.


    https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1568181528932356099

    Classy. He has a knack at times.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Driver said:

    I do hope we aren’t going to start randomly cancelling stuff. We have spent the best of two and a half years shutting stuff down willy nilly.

    Let people make their own decisions. Why is the cricket cancelled today?

    Because the ECB decided that they didn't want to play, either as a sign of respect, or in part due to fear about how it might look to the public.

    This really isn't a big deal. Organisations are making their own decisions and you seem really upset by the decisions being made. Keep calm and carry on (or not, as the case may be).
    “ part due to fear about how it might look to the public”

    Is there any evidence that the public oppose the staging of such events? Should we also close shops and pubs and schools and workplaces because of a fear of how it would look if the Dog & Duck remains open?
    Personally I'm just not bothered either way. I'm happy for the ECB, and other organisations to make their own mind up.

    I know a lot of my knit group friends are still all excited about the Perth Festival of Yarn this weekend that is still going ahead. The ECB have made a different decision. That's up to them. I'm really not fussed. There's no edict coming down telling people what to do, forcing them to call things off. I don't see why you're so upset. It's exactly the situation you are asking for.
    No, it's not. Unless the ECB have some evidence that one or both of the paying public and the players want the match cancelled, why have they cancelled it?
    The answer to that is the same as the last dozen times you asked it: because they thought it was appropriate.
    It is reasonable to ask what is it about modern life that makes it appropriate now, when it wasn't in a more formal era after George VIs death.

    The answer is we are becoming more puritanical, and it is okay for some of us to lament that shift.
    wiki

    A period of national mourning followed George VI's death. Rugby and hockey games were postponed, though football matches continued with the singing of the national anthem and the hymn "Abide With Me" before each game.[2] Memorial services were held in churches of all denominations across the country and around the world, even in communist states.[4] There was some opposition to the mourning, social researchers from Mass-Observation recorded one 60-year-old woman who asked: "Don't they think of old folk, sick people, invalids? It's been terrible for them, all this gloom". On another occasion the organisation recorded that a fight broke out in a Notting Hill bar after one man said of the King, "He's only shit and soil now like anyone else".[2]

    Perhaps we can't have footie with Abide with Me because people now boo it?
    So a mix then, just like there's a mix now, but with added shite reality TV on E4.
    Sure but we can still watch Netflix. In them days I imagine you got the beeb test card for a week.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 15,467
    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    Stocky said:

    Driver said:

    I do hope we aren’t going to start randomly cancelling stuff. We have spent the best of two and a half years shutting stuff down willy nilly.

    Let people make their own decisions. Why is the cricket cancelled today?

    Because the ECB decided that they didn't want to play, either as a sign of respect, or in part due to fear about how it might look to the public.

    This really isn't a big deal. Organisations are making their own decisions and you seem really upset by the decisions being made. Keep calm and carry on (or not, as the case may be).
    “ part due to fear about how it might look to the public”

    Is there any evidence that the public oppose the staging of such events? Should we also close shops and pubs and schools and workplaces because of a fear of how it would look if the Dog & Duck remains open?
    Personally I'm just not bothered either way. I'm happy for the ECB, and other organisations to make their own mind up.

    I know a lot of my knit group friends are still all excited about the Perth Festival of Yarn this weekend that is still going ahead. The ECB have made a different decision. That's up to them. I'm really not fussed. There's no edict coming down telling people what to do, forcing them to call things off. I don't see why you're so upset. It's exactly the situation you are asking for.
    No, it's not. Unless the ECB have some evidence that one or both of the paying public and the players want the match cancelled, why have they cancelled it?
    The answer to that is the same as the last dozen times you asked it: because they thought it was appropriate.
    They are imposing - with no government mandate - what THEY thought was appropriate on the lives of other who may not feel that it is appropriate.
    Absolutely. There has been some Grade-A bilge on PB today.
    Ah, some self-awareness at last.
    Do you support the decision to cancel the entire football calendar this weekend?
    I support the right of the football authorities to make that decision.

    Do you support their decision, is the question I asked.
    And you got my answer, which hasn't changed.
    Nope. You answered a different question to the one I asked.
  • Decent speech from Liz I thought.

    She and Keir Starmer are both fit to lead this country.

    Agree. Isn’t it refreshing?
    I think the next election will hopefully be about ideas rather than personalities which will be very good.

    I also predict very low turnout.
    Why?

    I would have thought if anything the turnout might be up as people have a real choice of two 'non-clown' PMs. I am not a fan of Truss but at least now that is a more traditional 'don't like your policies' rather than 'Jesus you're an embarrassment' way. And Starmer, whilst again I am not a fan necessarily, doesn't inspire the sort of fear that Corbyn engendered.

    I think the public might like actually having a choice between two normal candidates again.
  • Superb speech from Starmer - very emotional actually.
  • Leon said:

    AlistairM said:

    Leon said:
    It seems as if the "areas of control" was in fact a narrow "line of control". The Ukrainians broke the line and then have had a free run at the areas behind.

    Apparently Russian media is now putting out images of huge reinforcements being sent.

    Russian state media with footage of sizeable reinforcements heading toward Kharkiv region. Desperately needed considering the way Ukraine’s offensive is going.
    https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1568190728886444032

    Looks to me to be repeated footage of the same few tanks, trucks and a solitary howitzer. So I hope I'm not wrong in saying that the Russians look like they are in serious trouble now.
    🙏🙏🙏

    Twitter has plenty of pro Russian voices shrieking for peace and compromise and saying “we never wanted this war anyway” - which is a hopeful sign, at least

    Ins’allah they are chased all the way to the Volga

    But what will a mortally wounded Putin do in desperation if this continues?
    Russian tradition indicates he'll ritually and accidentally go flying out of a window at some point.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484

    Driver said:

    Stocky said:

    Driver said:

    I do hope we aren’t going to start randomly cancelling stuff. We have spent the best of two and a half years shutting stuff down willy nilly.

    Let people make their own decisions. Why is the cricket cancelled today?

    Because the ECB decided that they didn't want to play, either as a sign of respect, or in part due to fear about how it might look to the public.

    This really isn't a big deal. Organisations are making their own decisions and you seem really upset by the decisions being made. Keep calm and carry on (or not, as the case may be).
    “ part due to fear about how it might look to the public”

    Is there any evidence that the public oppose the staging of such events? Should we also close shops and pubs and schools and workplaces because of a fear of how it would look if the Dog & Duck remains open?
    Personally I'm just not bothered either way. I'm happy for the ECB, and other organisations to make their own mind up.

    I know a lot of my knit group friends are still all excited about the Perth Festival of Yarn this weekend that is still going ahead. The ECB have made a different decision. That's up to them. I'm really not fussed. There's no edict coming down telling people what to do, forcing them to call things off. I don't see why you're so upset. It's exactly the situation you are asking for.
    No, it's not. Unless the ECB have some evidence that one or both of the paying public and the players want the match cancelled, why have they cancelled it?
    The answer to that is the same as the last dozen times you asked it: because they thought it was appropriate.
    They are imposing - with no government mandate - what THEY thought was appropriate on the lives of other who may not feel that it is appropriate.
    Tough. They are the organisers of these events and they have the right to decide if they think circumstances warrant them being called off. Just because you don't think any of this matters doesn't mean that millions of other people feel the same way. They are showing respect during a period of mourning for the whole country. Now you may not want to take part in that mourning in which case go read a book or watch a DVD. But your criticism of organisations showing respect for someone who has served and guided this country for the last 70 years frankly stinks.

    No one is forcing you or Anabob to do one single thing. Stop behaving like a child because you can't have your sweeties.
    Do the fans want these games called off?
    I don't care. It is appropriate whatever they might think.
    According to you. If you don't want to watch the game, nobody is forcing you to. Why would you want to impose your views on everyone else? The government is happy for the games to go ahead.
    He's not the one wanting to impose his views on everyone else - you are.
    Nope - that's the wrong way around.

    I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. Those that don't want to attend or watch football need not do so.

    The football authorities are forcibly stopping the games, despite the government itself being happy for them to continue.
    Jesus f Christ. You are moaning so much I can only presume you are getting some pleasure from your endless irritation and moaning. So everyone’s happy. It’s all good. This is one of the unique advantages of monarchy
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Driver said:

    I do hope we aren’t going to start randomly cancelling stuff. We have spent the best of two and a half years shutting stuff down willy nilly.

    Let people make their own decisions. Why is the cricket cancelled today?

    Because the ECB decided that they didn't want to play, either as a sign of respect, or in part due to fear about how it might look to the public.

    This really isn't a big deal. Organisations are making their own decisions and you seem really upset by the decisions being made. Keep calm and carry on (or not, as the case may be).
    “ part due to fear about how it might look to the public”

    Is there any evidence that the public oppose the staging of such events? Should we also close shops and pubs and schools and workplaces because of a fear of how it would look if the Dog & Duck remains open?
    Personally I'm just not bothered either way. I'm happy for the ECB, and other organisations to make their own mind up.

    I know a lot of my knit group friends are still all excited about the Perth Festival of Yarn this weekend that is still going ahead. The ECB have made a different decision. That's up to them. I'm really not fussed. There's no edict coming down telling people what to do, forcing them to call things off. I don't see why you're so upset. It's exactly the situation you are asking for.
    No, it's not. Unless the ECB have some evidence that one or both of the paying public and the players want the match cancelled, why have they cancelled it?
    The answer to that is the same as the last dozen times you asked it: because they thought it was appropriate.
    It is reasonable to ask what is it about modern life that makes it appropriate now, when it wasn't in a more formal era after George VIs death.

    The answer is we are becoming more puritanical, and it is okay for some of us to lament that shift.
    wiki

    A period of national mourning followed George VI's death. Rugby and hockey games were postponed, though football matches continued with the singing of the national anthem and the hymn "Abide With Me" before each game.[2] Memorial services were held in churches of all denominations across the country and around the world, even in communist states.[4] There was some opposition to the mourning, social researchers from Mass-Observation recorded one 60-year-old woman who asked: "Don't they think of old folk, sick people, invalids? It's been terrible for them, all this gloom". On another occasion the organisation recorded that a fight broke out in a Notting Hill bar after one man said of the King, "He's only shit and soil now like anyone else".[2]

    Perhaps we can't have footie with Abide with Me because people now boo it?
    So a mix then, just like there's a mix now, but with added shite reality TV on E4.
    Sure but we can still watch Netflix. In them days I imagine you got the beeb test card for a week.
    Mind, most folk didn't have TV - indeed, it was the coronation which caused the first rise in ownership.

    More a case of no jolly music on the radio for a week.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 15,467

    Stocky said:

    Driver said:

    I do hope we aren’t going to start randomly cancelling stuff. We have spent the best of two and a half years shutting stuff down willy nilly.

    Let people make their own decisions. Why is the cricket cancelled today?

    Because the ECB decided that they didn't want to play, either as a sign of respect, or in part due to fear about how it might look to the public.

    This really isn't a big deal. Organisations are making their own decisions and you seem really upset by the decisions being made. Keep calm and carry on (or not, as the case may be).
    “ part due to fear about how it might look to the public”

    Is there any evidence that the public oppose the staging of such events? Should we also close shops and pubs and schools and workplaces because of a fear of how it would look if the Dog & Duck remains open?
    Personally I'm just not bothered either way. I'm happy for the ECB, and other organisations to make their own mind up.

    I know a lot of my knit group friends are still all excited about the Perth Festival of Yarn this weekend that is still going ahead. The ECB have made a different decision. That's up to them. I'm really not fussed. There's no edict coming down telling people what to do, forcing them to call things off. I don't see why you're so upset. It's exactly the situation you are asking for.
    No, it's not. Unless the ECB have some evidence that one or both of the paying public and the players want the match cancelled, why have they cancelled it?
    The answer to that is the same as the last dozen times you asked it: because they thought it was appropriate.
    They are imposing - with no government mandate - what THEY thought was appropriate on the lives of other who may not feel that it is appropriate.
    Tough. They are the organisers of these events and they have the right to decide if they think circumstances warrant them being called off. Just because you don't think any of this matters doesn't mean that millions of other people feel the same way. They are showing respect during a period of mourning for the whole country. Now you may not want to take part in that mourning in which case go read a book or watch a DVD. But your criticism of organisations showing respect for someone who has served and guided this country for the last 70 years frankly stinks.

    No one is forcing you or Anabob to do one single thing. Stop behaving like a child because you can't have your sweeties.
    Do the fans want these games called off?
    I don't care. It is appropriate whatever they might think.
    According to you. If you don't want to watch the game, nobody is forcing you to. Why would you want to impose your views on everyone else? The government is happy for the games to go ahead.
    Since when have you ever cared about what the Government thinks? Having criticised them continuously for as long as I can remember you don't get to hide behind them now.

    The people organising these events have decided that it is right and proper to show respect for the Queen by postponing matches. Just as hundreds of other organisations have done across the country for this weekend. It is a pause and is appropriate. You come over like a spoiled child by deriding and criticising it so vehemently.
    Okay Richard, maybe ease up on the personal insults. I'll agree to disagree. I just hope the cancel culture doesn't continue for more than a few days.
  • I think for the first time in many a long day, we have two parties with leaders that can be respected for what they are.
  • Sir Keir Starmer: “We say thank you. May the Queen rest in peace. God Save the King”

    No anti monarchy rubbish here.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Thoroughly ADEQUATE from Liz again. Wooden doesn't really stick as a criticism when you are sandwiched between Hoyle and SKS.

    I actually think both Liz and SKS gave very good speeches which felt more heartfelt and poignant than they would have done coming from more “charismatic” figures. They felt solemn and measured and I actually think reflected well on both of them.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 20,039
    For those who are surprised when I say that Jeremy Corbyn is a nice man (irrespective of political issues):

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1567983845382979585
  • https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1568199227536277505

    Two very good speeches from Truss and Starmer. Think this one from Starmer is the best I've ever seen him give.
  • Carnyx said:

    sarissa said:

    sarissa said:

    biggles said:

    MattW said:

    biggles said:

    MattW said:

    On topic, I think he'll shut up, carefully saying "My Government believes..." and "My Government will...". Otherwise he'll get monstered by the Tory media and republicans alike. However, he'll compensate by being notably environmental in less contriversial areas. For example, the Palace presumably has a fleet of cars. It would be easy for him to announce that they will all be replaced by electric cars in the next few years. How is the Palace heated? What about puting in heat pumps?

    A wind farm in one of his estates would be fun too.

    It's been quite a time since I was there, but having seen some of the staff quarters and back rooms I'd say Buck House could be as difficult to renovate as the House of Commons - apart from having less complex decoration and less control-freaky occupants :smile: .

    BP is about 77k sqm of floorspace (just under 8 Hectares and about 1/3 smaller than the Palace of Westminster). They are just doing a £400m renovation project on it running until 2027, for which sustainability is an element.

    But being Duke of Cornwall, and having Highgrove and so on, I think King Charles knows all about the problems, and is quite likely to have been driving whatever they are doing for decades anyway.

    King Charles was early on greenery as we know, and has always experimented with his own property / resources. He has had solar panels on Clarence House since 2010, and I think Buck House will get them now. Plus BH has had a CHP (Combined Heat and Power) plant for nearly 30 years. Brief article here from 2016, when they were doing things like trialling LED lighting:
    https://www.energymatters.com.au/renewable-news/solar-buckingham-palace-em5781/

    Heat pumps are not very suitable for inefficient buildings, which is Buck House in spades until heavily renovated. Like a lot of us they will need to rely on emissions-free power.

    Factoid: the first Royal Electric car was bought in 1901.
    It was renovated a year or two back for a few billion. Unlike the prima donnas in Parliament Her Majesty grasped the need to move the operation out to enable it.

    AFAICS the published number is £500m, most of which was done in advance of the Platinum Jubilee, and it is due to finish in 2027. I have not checked in huge detail, though.

    https://britishheritage.com/travel/renovatedbuckingham-palace
    I must be utterly wrong then. That can’t be a full refurb. Or if it is then those contractors need to have a look at Parliament…

    25% (or less) of the cost of a full rebuild? - does sound really inexpensive, especially if that includes contingencies and professional fees.
    The cost of trying to use a property while works are going on vs a proper rip out and redo can be huge.
    Having had experience of Employer-in-residence contracts, I hope KCIII© has the sense to take a back seat.
    Why the copyright emblem? Charles Edward Stuart coined that long ago, so it's public domain by now.
    Wasn’t he caught by the trade descriptions act?
  • King Charles III will be proclaimed the new King at St James’s Palace at 10am tomorrow morning

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1568198955598479360
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Carnyx said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Driver said:

    I do hope we aren’t going to start randomly cancelling stuff. We have spent the best of two and a half years shutting stuff down willy nilly.

    Let people make their own decisions. Why is the cricket cancelled today?

    Because the ECB decided that they didn't want to play, either as a sign of respect, or in part due to fear about how it might look to the public.

    This really isn't a big deal. Organisations are making their own decisions and you seem really upset by the decisions being made. Keep calm and carry on (or not, as the case may be).
    “ part due to fear about how it might look to the public”

    Is there any evidence that the public oppose the staging of such events? Should we also close shops and pubs and schools and workplaces because of a fear of how it would look if the Dog & Duck remains open?
    Personally I'm just not bothered either way. I'm happy for the ECB, and other organisations to make their own mind up.

    I know a lot of my knit group friends are still all excited about the Perth Festival of Yarn this weekend that is still going ahead. The ECB have made a different decision. That's up to them. I'm really not fussed. There's no edict coming down telling people what to do, forcing them to call things off. I don't see why you're so upset. It's exactly the situation you are asking for.
    No, it's not. Unless the ECB have some evidence that one or both of the paying public and the players want the match cancelled, why have they cancelled it?
    The answer to that is the same as the last dozen times you asked it: because they thought it was appropriate.
    It is reasonable to ask what is it about modern life that makes it appropriate now, when it wasn't in a more formal era after George VIs death.

    The answer is we are becoming more puritanical, and it is okay for some of us to lament that shift.
    wiki

    A period of national mourning followed George VI's death. Rugby and hockey games were postponed, though football matches continued with the singing of the national anthem and the hymn "Abide With Me" before each game.[2] Memorial services were held in churches of all denominations across the country and around the world, even in communist states.[4] There was some opposition to the mourning, social researchers from Mass-Observation recorded one 60-year-old woman who asked: "Don't they think of old folk, sick people, invalids? It's been terrible for them, all this gloom". On another occasion the organisation recorded that a fight broke out in a Notting Hill bar after one man said of the King, "He's only shit and soil now like anyone else".[2]

    Perhaps we can't have footie with Abide with Me because people now boo it?
    So a mix then, just like there's a mix now, but with added shite reality TV on E4.
    Sure but we can still watch Netflix. In them days I imagine you got the beeb test card for a week.
    Mind, most folk didn't have TV - indeed, it was the coronation which caused the first rise in ownership.

    More a case of no jolly music on the radio for a week.
    Radio Luxembourg has broadcast to the UK since 1933. But yes the Home and Light Services probably glum.
  • Keir Starmer there showed that he can represent this great nation and help to pick us up when we most need it. A fine man.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779

    Carnyx said:

    sarissa said:

    sarissa said:

    biggles said:

    MattW said:

    biggles said:

    MattW said:

    On topic, I think he'll shut up, carefully saying "My Government believes..." and "My Government will...". Otherwise he'll get monstered by the Tory media and republicans alike. However, he'll compensate by being notably environmental in less contriversial areas. For example, the Palace presumably has a fleet of cars. It would be easy for him to announce that they will all be replaced by electric cars in the next few years. How is the Palace heated? What about puting in heat pumps?

    A wind farm in one of his estates would be fun too.

    It's been quite a time since I was there, but having seen some of the staff quarters and back rooms I'd say Buck House could be as difficult to renovate as the House of Commons - apart from having less complex decoration and less control-freaky occupants :smile: .

    BP is about 77k sqm of floorspace (just under 8 Hectares and about 1/3 smaller than the Palace of Westminster). They are just doing a £400m renovation project on it running until 2027, for which sustainability is an element.

    But being Duke of Cornwall, and having Highgrove and so on, I think King Charles knows all about the problems, and is quite likely to have been driving whatever they are doing for decades anyway.

    King Charles was early on greenery as we know, and has always experimented with his own property / resources. He has had solar panels on Clarence House since 2010, and I think Buck House will get them now. Plus BH has had a CHP (Combined Heat and Power) plant for nearly 30 years. Brief article here from 2016, when they were doing things like trialling LED lighting:
    https://www.energymatters.com.au/renewable-news/solar-buckingham-palace-em5781/

    Heat pumps are not very suitable for inefficient buildings, which is Buck House in spades until heavily renovated. Like a lot of us they will need to rely on emissions-free power.

    Factoid: the first Royal Electric car was bought in 1901.
    It was renovated a year or two back for a few billion. Unlike the prima donnas in Parliament Her Majesty grasped the need to move the operation out to enable it.

    AFAICS the published number is £500m, most of which was done in advance of the Platinum Jubilee, and it is due to finish in 2027. I have not checked in huge detail, though.

    https://britishheritage.com/travel/renovatedbuckingham-palace
    I must be utterly wrong then. That can’t be a full refurb. Or if it is then those contractors need to have a look at Parliament…

    25% (or less) of the cost of a full rebuild? - does sound really inexpensive, especially if that includes contingencies and professional fees.
    The cost of trying to use a property while works are going on vs a proper rip out and redo can be huge.
    Having had experience of Employer-in-residence contracts, I hope KCIII© has the sense to take a back seat.
    Why the copyright emblem? Charles Edward Stuart coined that long ago, so it's public domain by now.
    Wasn’t he caught by the trade descriptions act?
    No. Crown immunity.
  • Assassin Liz still wearing her bondage necklace as she pays tribute...

    What is wrong with you ?
    What? She IS wearing her Fetlife necklace!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563

    For those who are surprised when I say that Jeremy Corbyn is a nice man (irrespective of political issues):

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1567983845382979585

    Love it!

    But what sort of jam?
  • I have spoken about this before but a close relative was at Fishmongers Hall when the awful terrorist attack happened.

    When Jeremy Corbyn went to see the survivors, I have to say the reports of his character, compassion and kindness were overwhelmingly positive.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484

    Leon said:

    AlistairM said:

    Leon said:
    It seems as if the "areas of control" was in fact a narrow "line of control". The Ukrainians broke the line and then have had a free run at the areas behind.

    Apparently Russian media is now putting out images of huge reinforcements being sent.

    Russian state media with footage of sizeable reinforcements heading toward Kharkiv region. Desperately needed considering the way Ukraine’s offensive is going.
    https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1568190728886444032

    Looks to me to be repeated footage of the same few tanks, trucks and a solitary howitzer. So I hope I'm not wrong in saying that the Russians look like they are in serious trouble now.
    🙏🙏🙏

    Twitter has plenty of pro Russian voices shrieking for peace and compromise and saying “we never wanted this war anyway” - which is a hopeful sign, at least

    Ins’allah they are chased all the way to the Volga

    But what will a mortally wounded Putin do in desperation if this continues?
    Russian tradition indicates he'll ritually and accidentally go flying out of a window at some point.
    That would be a magnificently fitting end. Without being too ghoulish, I hope it is captured on video
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 11,183
    edited September 2022

    Driver said:

    Stocky said:

    Driver said:

    I do hope we aren’t going to start randomly cancelling stuff. We have spent the best of two and a half years shutting stuff down willy nilly.

    Let people make their own decisions. Why is the cricket cancelled today?

    Because the ECB decided that they didn't want to play, either as a sign of respect, or in part due to fear about how it might look to the public.

    This really isn't a big deal. Organisations are making their own decisions and you seem really upset by the decisions being made. Keep calm and carry on (or not, as the case may be).
    “ part due to fear about how it might look to the public”

    Is there any evidence that the public oppose the staging of such events? Should we also close shops and pubs and schools and workplaces because of a fear of how it would look if the Dog & Duck remains open?
    Personally I'm just not bothered either way. I'm happy for the ECB, and other organisations to make their own mind up.

    I know a lot of my knit group friends are still all excited about the Perth Festival of Yarn this weekend that is still going ahead. The ECB have made a different decision. That's up to them. I'm really not fussed. There's no edict coming down telling people what to do, forcing them to call things off. I don't see why you're so upset. It's exactly the situation you are asking for.
    No, it's not. Unless the ECB have some evidence that one or both of the paying public and the players want the match cancelled, why have they cancelled it?
    The answer to that is the same as the last dozen times you asked it: because they thought it was appropriate.
    They are imposing - with no government mandate - what THEY thought was appropriate on the lives of other who may not feel that it is appropriate.
    Absolutely. There has been some Grade-A bilge on PB today.
    Ah, some self-awareness at last.
    Do you support the decision to cancel the entire football calendar this weekend?
    I oppose anyone giving them hassle whichever way they decide.

    If they go ahead with the Test tomorrow I will enjoy listening to the match and I will oppose anyone who criticised the decision as disrespectful. If they decide not to play the Test tomorrow I will find something else to do and I will oppose anyone who criticises the decision. I just don't feel like this is a time for rancour and bad feeling.

    By all means, in a few months time, have a discussion about whether it's best to mostly go ahead with things, or not, and then people don't have to make a pressured decision with no notice. But when had the Queen ever recommended being angry about something? Chill out.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491
    Carnyx said:

    AlistairM said:

    The kids football club have just been emailed by the FA asking for all football matches to be cancelled this weekend. My 9yo son will be in tears now.

    That's a bit reminiscent of beating the bounds of a parish - taking children to the key landmarks and thrashing them so they don't forget the landmarks when they're 80 year old greybeards. He'll sure remember when HMtQ died. But is it the right thing to do?
    Civic commemoration takes priority I
    guess. Each to their own.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    IshmaelZ said:

    Carnyx said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Driver said:

    I do hope we aren’t going to start randomly cancelling stuff. We have spent the best of two and a half years shutting stuff down willy nilly.

    Let people make their own decisions. Why is the cricket cancelled today?

    Because the ECB decided that they didn't want to play, either as a sign of respect, or in part due to fear about how it might look to the public.

    This really isn't a big deal. Organisations are making their own decisions and you seem really upset by the decisions being made. Keep calm and carry on (or not, as the case may be).
    “ part due to fear about how it might look to the public”

    Is there any evidence that the public oppose the staging of such events? Should we also close shops and pubs and schools and workplaces because of a fear of how it would look if the Dog & Duck remains open?
    Personally I'm just not bothered either way. I'm happy for the ECB, and other organisations to make their own mind up.

    I know a lot of my knit group friends are still all excited about the Perth Festival of Yarn this weekend that is still going ahead. The ECB have made a different decision. That's up to them. I'm really not fussed. There's no edict coming down telling people what to do, forcing them to call things off. I don't see why you're so upset. It's exactly the situation you are asking for.
    No, it's not. Unless the ECB have some evidence that one or both of the paying public and the players want the match cancelled, why have they cancelled it?
    The answer to that is the same as the last dozen times you asked it: because they thought it was appropriate.
    It is reasonable to ask what is it about modern life that makes it appropriate now, when it wasn't in a more formal era after George VIs death.

    The answer is we are becoming more puritanical, and it is okay for some of us to lament that shift.
    wiki

    A period of national mourning followed George VI's death. Rugby and hockey games were postponed, though football matches continued with the singing of the national anthem and the hymn "Abide With Me" before each game.[2] Memorial services were held in churches of all denominations across the country and around the world, even in communist states.[4] There was some opposition to the mourning, social researchers from Mass-Observation recorded one 60-year-old woman who asked: "Don't they think of old folk, sick people, invalids? It's been terrible for them, all this gloom". On another occasion the organisation recorded that a fight broke out in a Notting Hill bar after one man said of the King, "He's only shit and soil now like anyone else".[2]

    Perhaps we can't have footie with Abide with Me because people now boo it?
    So a mix then, just like there's a mix now, but with added shite reality TV on E4.
    Sure but we can still watch Netflix. In them days I imagine you got the beeb test card for a week.
    Mind, most folk didn't have TV - indeed, it was the coronation which caused the first rise in ownership.

    More a case of no jolly music on the radio for a week.
    Radio Luxembourg has broadcast to the UK since 1933. But yes the Home and Light Services probably glum.
    So long ago we don't quite know how to handle it - precedent is not adequate. Can you imagine closing down the C4 nude body shows for 2 weeks, for instance?

    Very relieved I don't bother with TV anyway.
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    kle4 said:

    @EmmanuelMacron
    To you, she was your Queen.
    To us, she was The Queen.
    She will be with all of us forever.


    https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1568181528932356099

    Classy. He has a knack at times.
    A man elected as president of a French republic using a US advertising company's website to praise a dead billionairess celebrity as if she were a saint. Truly sophisticated and classy, and not at all vulgar.
  • Stocky said:

    Driver said:

    I do hope we aren’t going to start randomly cancelling stuff. We have spent the best of two and a half years shutting stuff down willy nilly.

    Let people make their own decisions. Why is the cricket cancelled today?

    Because the ECB decided that they didn't want to play, either as a sign of respect, or in part due to fear about how it might look to the public.

    This really isn't a big deal. Organisations are making their own decisions and you seem really upset by the decisions being made. Keep calm and carry on (or not, as the case may be).
    “ part due to fear about how it might look to the public”

    Is there any evidence that the public oppose the staging of such events? Should we also close shops and pubs and schools and workplaces because of a fear of how it would look if the Dog & Duck remains open?
    Personally I'm just not bothered either way. I'm happy for the ECB, and other organisations to make their own mind up.

    I know a lot of my knit group friends are still all excited about the Perth Festival of Yarn this weekend that is still going ahead. The ECB have made a different decision. That's up to them. I'm really not fussed. There's no edict coming down telling people what to do, forcing them to call things off. I don't see why you're so upset. It's exactly the situation you are asking for.
    No, it's not. Unless the ECB have some evidence that one or both of the paying public and the players want the match cancelled, why have they cancelled it?
    The answer to that is the same as the last dozen times you asked it: because they thought it was appropriate.
    They are imposing - with no government mandate - what THEY thought was appropriate on the lives of other who may not feel that it is appropriate.
    Tough. They are the organisers of these events and they have the right to decide if they think circumstances warrant them being called off. Just because you don't think any of this matters doesn't mean that millions of other people feel the same way. They are showing respect during a period of mourning for the whole country. Now you may not want to take part in that mourning in which case go read a book or watch a DVD. But your criticism of organisations showing respect for someone who has served and guided this country for the last 70 years frankly stinks.

    No one is forcing you or Anabob to do one single thing. Stop behaving like a child because you can't have your sweeties.
    Do the fans want these games called off?
    I don't care. It is appropriate whatever they might think.
    According to you. If you don't want to watch the game, nobody is forcing you to. Why would you want to impose your views on everyone else? The government is happy for the games to go ahead.
    Since when have you ever cared about what the Government thinks? Having criticised them continuously for as long as I can remember you don't get to hide behind them now.

    The people organising these events have decided that it is right and proper to show respect for the Queen by postponing matches. Just as hundreds of other organisations have done across the country for this weekend. It is a pause and is appropriate. You come over like a spoiled child by deriding and criticising it so vehemently.
    Okay Richard, maybe ease up on the personal insults. I'll agree to disagree. I just hope the cancel culture doesn't continue for more than a few days.
    Postponement for a few days is not cancel culture, no matter how much you might want to pretend it is. Again it shows the utter paucity of your arguments that you have to rely on that lie.
  • Leon said:

    Ukrainian forces will likely capture Kupyansk in the next 72 hours, severely degrading but not completely severing Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) to Izyum,
    @TheStudyofWar says


    4 hours later:

    “Kupyansk”
    Good lord, what’s going on.


    https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1568185503962259459


    Run, you Nazi fucks. Run!

    Are we allowed to gloat? I think we are definitely allowed to gloat. Just don’t want to do it prematurely
    Those who prematurely e-jacked over anti woke Putin definitely don’t get to gloat.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484
    A woman weeps as she sees the Ukrainian soldier

    Can’t stop watching them

    https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/status/1568185789942566912?s=46&t=fqdL0K9NxkSTGjHlnCTk_A
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    AlistairM said:

    Leon said:
    It seems as if the "areas of control" was in fact a narrow "line of control". The Ukrainians broke the line and then have had a free run at the areas behind.

    Apparently Russian media is now putting out images of huge reinforcements being sent.

    Russian state media with footage of sizeable reinforcements heading toward Kharkiv region. Desperately needed considering the way Ukraine’s offensive is going.
    https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1568190728886444032

    Looks to me to be repeated footage of the same few tanks, trucks and a solitary howitzer. So I hope I'm not wrong in saying that the Russians look like they are in serious trouble now.
    🙏🙏🙏

    Twitter has plenty of pro Russian voices shrieking for peace and compromise and saying “we never wanted this war anyway” - which is a hopeful sign, at least

    Ins’allah they are chased all the way to the Volga

    But what will a mortally wounded Putin do in desperation if this continues?
    Russian tradition indicates he'll ritually and accidentally go flying out of a window at some point.
    That would be a magnificently fitting end. Without being too ghoulish, I hope it is captured on video
    It already has:

    https://youtu.be/4_OdM7SWMLo

    Although Helena Bonham Carter with a knife isn't perhaps the traditional way.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 43,603

    A quick scout of Premier League fans forums reveals that this is a deeply unpopular decision.

    Who knew?

    There are tens of millions of people greatly saddened and affected by the Queen's demise. But I suspect there are tens of millions of people who don't care one bit.

    I was on my way to the chippy when the news was announced and when I got there 5 mins later there was a big telly up in the corner carrying it. There were a couple of tables with people sat at them who seemed entirely unconcerned.

    I'm somewhere in the middle. End of an era, sad someone's died, interesting to be living through this period, curious as to how Charlie pans out, but I'm not massively emotionally invested. In a few days I'll probably be sick and tired of the mawkishness. I had slightly moist eyes a couple of times yesterday, but that's about it for me probably. I think that's probably about where most people are, on the strength of the ten or so people I've spoken to today through work.

    Someone I used to work with went with her mother - both big Royalists - down to Windsor yesterday morning for a visit. They'll be getting more than they bargained for. No tour round the castle though I bet.

    I understand why people are upset, why the Queen meant so much to them. Fair enough, we're all different. Essentially they're just remote poshos to me, embodying a Britain that doesn't much resonate with me.
    I remember the death of Diana, which I had to deal with in a work context as well as living through, and in the very early days there was a balance of views and mostly level headed responses much as you describe. What was remarkable was how the tide of emotional reaction built in the period between the death and the funeral such that by the time of the latter it had overwhelmed almost everyone, and for many it became a defining event of the period.

    Of course her youth, backstory and the suddenness of the tragedy all played into this, but nevertheless I would be very wary of making predictions now about how the country will feel by the time we get to the funeral.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 8,712
    edited September 2022
    Leon said:

    A woman weeps as she sees the Ukrainian soldier

    Can’t stop watching them

    https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/status/1568185789942566912?s=46&t=fqdL0K9NxkSTGjHlnCTk_A

    You could go on a long hike or something?
  • Oh god BoJo is on his feet in the Commons
  • King Charles III will be proclaimed the new King at St James’s Palace at 10am tomorrow morning

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1568198955598479360

    And unlike the previous Charles III, the new one won't have to flee dressed as his own maid.
  • https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1568201026519408641

    'For the 70 glorious years of her reign, our Queen was at the heart of this nation’s life. She did not simply reign over us, she lived alongside us.'

    Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer pays tribute to Her Late Majesty The Queen in the House of Commons

    I think Keir Starmer's best speech.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563

    King Charles III will be proclaimed the new King at St James’s Palace at 10am tomorrow morning

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1568198955598479360

    And unlike the previous Charles III, the new one won't have to flee dressed as his own maid.
    Was he wearing a Bonnie-et?
  • kle4 said:

    @EmmanuelMacron
    To you, she was your Queen.
    To us, she was The Queen.
    She will be with all of us forever.


    https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1568181528932356099

    Classy. He has a knack at times.
    Both Macron and Biden have shown real class the last few days.
  • ITV News spelled Keir's name wrong! Embarrassing.
  • Bonzo on his feet from the back benches. Really could have brushed his hair for a change.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 3,623
    Why are they now showing bloody Boris Johnson giving a speech?
  • Good speech from Blackford too - nice to see the Commons rising to the occasion.
  • Starmer really was pitch perfect. More personal/reflective than the PM and deeper/shorter than Blackford's speech.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Thoroughly ADEQUATE from Liz again. Wooden doesn't really stick as a criticism when you are sandwiched between Hoyle and SKS.

    I actually think both Liz and SKS gave very good speeches which felt more heartfelt and poignant than they would have done coming from more “charismatic” figures. They felt solemn and measured and I actually think reflected well on both of them.
    I just REJOICE at random moments two or three times an hour that this is NOT PHATBOI'S GIG. There is perhaps a God.

    Superb from Blackford. Hard act for Wales and NI to follow. "She came here when she had to."
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    IanB2 said:

    A quick scout of Premier League fans forums reveals that this is a deeply unpopular decision.

    Who knew?

    There are tens of millions of people greatly saddened and affected by the Queen's demise. But I suspect there are tens of millions of people who don't care one bit.

    I was on my way to the chippy when the news was announced and when I got there 5 mins later there was a big telly up in the corner carrying it. There were a couple of tables with people sat at them who seemed entirely unconcerned.

    I'm somewhere in the middle. End of an era, sad someone's died, interesting to be living through this period, curious as to how Charlie pans out, but I'm not massively emotionally invested. In a few days I'll probably be sick and tired of the mawkishness. I had slightly moist eyes a couple of times yesterday, but that's about it for me probably. I think that's probably about where most people are, on the strength of the ten or so people I've spoken to today through work.

    Someone I used to work with went with her mother - both big Royalists - down to Windsor yesterday morning for a visit. They'll be getting more than they bargained for. No tour round the castle though I bet.

    I understand why people are upset, why the Queen meant so much to them. Fair enough, we're all different. Essentially they're just remote poshos to me, embodying a Britain that doesn't much resonate with me.
    I remember the death of Diana, which I had to deal with in a work context as well as living through, and in the very early days there was a balance of views and mostly level headed responses much as you describe. What was remarkable was how the tide of emotional reaction built in the period between the death and the funeral such that by the time of the latter it had overwhelmed almost everyone, and for many it became a defining event of the period.

    Of course her youth, backstory and the suddenness of the tragedy all played into this, but nevertheless I would be very wary of making predictions now about how the country will feel by the time we get to the funeral.
    A very good post.
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  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,197
    edited September 2022
    TimS said:

    Why are they now showing bloody Boris Johnson giving a speech?

    “I missed out giving this speech as PM by two days waaaaaaa”

    In all seriousness I suppose they will call former PMs first so TM will be up next too.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563

    ITV News spelled Keir's name wrong! Embarrassing.

    Very Keirless of them.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 42,433
    A very sombre Boris Johnson on his feet. None of the usual bombast, he looks quite emotional.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    OH FUCK I SPOKE TOO SOON

    SERIOUS misstep from Speaker and PM

    All about him
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 15,467

    King Charles III will be proclaimed the new King at St James’s Palace at 10am tomorrow morning

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1568198955598479360

    Isn't he already the King?
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 1,589
    Grim news if you're in the Russian army (worth reading the text in the images).

    Igor Girkin - Ukrainians will continue advancing aiming to strike approaching Russian reserves during the march. Russians may be forced to abandon Izyum very soon.
    https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1568201294418001923
  • eekeek Posts: 22,056
    IanB2 said:

    A quick scout of Premier League fans forums reveals that this is a deeply unpopular decision.

    Who knew?

    There are tens of millions of people greatly saddened and affected by the Queen's demise. But I suspect there are tens of millions of people who don't care one bit.

    I was on my way to the chippy when the news was announced and when I got there 5 mins later there was a big telly up in the corner carrying it. There were a couple of tables with people sat at them who seemed entirely unconcerned.

    I'm somewhere in the middle. End of an era, sad someone's died, interesting to be living through this period, curious as to how Charlie pans out, but I'm not massively emotionally invested. In a few days I'll probably be sick and tired of the mawkishness. I had slightly moist eyes a couple of times yesterday, but that's about it for me probably. I think that's probably about where most people are, on the strength of the ten or so people I've spoken to today through work.

    Someone I used to work with went with her mother - both big Royalists - down to Windsor yesterday morning for a visit. They'll be getting more than they bargained for. No tour round the castle though I bet.

    I understand why people are upset, why the Queen meant so much to them. Fair enough, we're all different. Essentially they're just remote poshos to me, embodying a Britain that doesn't much resonate with me.
    I remember the death of Diana, which I had to deal with in a work context as well as living through, and in the very early days there was a balance of views and mostly level headed responses much as you describe. What was remarkable was how the tide of emotional reaction built in the period between the death and the funeral such that by the time of the latter it had overwhelmed almost everyone, and for many it became a defining event of the period.

    Of course her youth, backstory and the suddenness of the tragedy all played into this, but nevertheless I would be very wary of making predictions now about how the country will feel by the time we get to the funeral.
    A remember 3 things from Princess Di's death.

    1) the B&B owner in Hawes being in tears
    2) having to buy a CD in the services for the journey back to Kent as we could take no more "news"
    3) immediately purchasing tickets to France for the weekend to avoid the funeral - I then saw Elton John playing on a TV at Auchen while Mrs Eek went to the loo...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,107

    King Charles III will be proclaimed the new King at St James’s Palace at 10am tomorrow morning

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1568198955598479360

    Isn't he already the King?
    Yes, but the proclamation does not occur instantly.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563
    Sandpit said:

    A very sombre Boris Johnson on his feet. None of the usual bombast, he looks quite emotional.

    I'm not bloody surprised. Just think how gutted he must feel as a totally shameless narcissist that he isn't able to hog the limelight. By a mere 72 hours!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    King Charles III will be proclaimed the new King at St James’s Palace at 10am tomorrow morning

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1568198955598479360

    Isn't he already the King?
    Yes

    And he will be crowned King in a few months time

    Soooo confusing
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 2,644

    King Charles III will be proclaimed the new King at St James’s Palace at 10am tomorrow morning

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1568198955598479360

    Isn't he already the King?
    One can proclaim a thing that has already happened.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 15,467
    RobD said:

    King Charles III will be proclaimed the new King at St James’s Palace at 10am tomorrow morning

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1568198955598479360

    Isn't he already the King?
    Yes, but the proclamation does not occur instantly.
    So what is the point of it? Isn't the coronation ceremony next spring?
  • Leon said:

    A woman weeps as she sees the Ukrainian soldier

    Can’t stop watching them

    https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/status/1568185789942566912?s=46&t=fqdL0K9NxkSTGjHlnCTk_A

    Yeah these are powerful. I hope they can hold their gains and keep going.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,107

    RobD said:

    King Charles III will be proclaimed the new King at St James’s Palace at 10am tomorrow morning

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1568198955598479360

    Isn't he already the King?
    Yes, but the proclamation does not occur instantly.
    So what is the point of it? Isn't the coronation ceremony next spring?
    What's the point of anything? It's symbolism. Much the same as him taking the oath.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    TimS said:

    Why are they now showing bloody Boris Johnson giving a speech?

    The media thinks Johnson is box office.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563
    edited September 2022

    King Charles III will be proclaimed the new King at St James’s Palace at 10am tomorrow morning

    https://twitter.com/darrenmccaffrey/status/1568198955598479360

    Isn't he already the King?
    Yes, but in medieval times, the Council had to meet to confirm the succession and arrange a coronation, modelled on the customs of the Roman Empire.

    Usually, there was a Regent in place until the coronation, which might be the new monarch or might be a senior member of the council. For Henry VIII, for example, it was Margaret Beaufort. For Elizabeth I, it was Philip. Henry V, by contrast, was his own Regent.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 10,764

    Assassin Liz still wearing her bondage necklace as she pays tribute...

    What is wrong with you ?
    What? She IS wearing her Fetlife necklace!
    And she DID novichok the queen.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,197
    edited September 2022
    My opinion of Harriet Harman has gone downhill massively after standing up and adding fuel to BoJos ego by telling him how good a speech he gave….
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    A very sombre Boris Johnson on his feet. None of the usual bombast, he looks quite emotional.

    I'm not bloody surprised. Just think how gutted he must feel as a totally shameless narcissist that he isn't able to hog the limelight. By a mere 72 hours!
    All about him. I am seriously angry about this and the disrespect to Wales, NI, Lib Dems, T May

    She wasn't E the Great. Might have been if Gloriana hadn't been such a player.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,107
    An excellent and moving speech from Starmer.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,656
    MISTY said:

    TimS said:

    Why are they now showing bloody Boris Johnson giving a speech?

    The media thinks Johnson is box office.
    No. They will stick with the party leaders, the former PMs, and probably the Father of the House. It’s not all about Boris.

    See also this nonsense about the Queen hanging on to get rid of him. Utterly fails to understand why she stood for.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    A very sombre Boris Johnson on his feet. None of the usual bombast, he looks quite emotional.

    I'm not bloody surprised. Just think how gutted he must feel as a totally shameless narcissist that he isn't able to hog the limelight. By a mere 72 hours!
    All about him. I am seriously angry about this and the disrespect to Wales, NI, Lib Dems, T May

    She wasn't E the Great. Might have been if Gloriana hadn't been such a player.
    I thought the most memorable thing about Gloriana was that she wasn't a player.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 8,712

    My opinion of Harriet Harman has gone downhill massively after standing up and adding fuel to BoJos ego by telling him how good a speech he gave….

    But it was a good speech.
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