I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. If only it was streamlined, as Duchess of Hamilton looks spectacular.
And thanks to the poster below for info. on Princess Elizabeth.
2 x Stanier Black 5 locomotives would also do the job.
I’m going to be extremely annoying and advocate for an HST. All these steam locos are wonderful machines, but the HST is the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan Age.
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. .
And possibly the best Hornby train set of all time.
Horby Dublo or modern Hornby? The original one was cast metal not plastic, as I recall from the 1960s.
More seriously, using a Deltic or a steam loco to hand would certainly avoid any concerns about wire damage - a regular, though not common, issue on the ECML.
I am going to lobby for a Deltic given they were introduced early in her reign. A steam loco is too retro. Royal Scots Grey I think has the most appropriate name and as D9000 was the first numbered member of the fleet of 22. It has been under repair but I think is now available.
If this is the day, then weirdly impressive that she held on just long enough to carry out the hand over for Truss.
I'm sort of imagining the Queen would go on as some sort of Hari Seldon (from the Foundation) type figures - having recorded speeches for all the things foreseen to come in the future, reassuring the British people at all kind of future events both domestic and global. It's that sort of day.
NEW: Harry and Meghan, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are travelling to Balmoral Castle. They were supposed to be doing a charity event in London this evening.
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. .
And possibly the best Hornby train set of all time.
Horby Dublo or modern Hornby? The original one was cast metal not plastic, as I recall from the 1960s.
More seriously, using a Deltic or a steam loco to hand would certainly avoid any concerns about wire damage - a regular, though not common, issue on the ECML.
The problems of coaling and watering most large steam locos for the Edinburgh to London run means that there would have to be two or three stops on the way - and that means they probably won't do it. But if they do, there will be a diesel backup as well.
I'd expect it to be two large diesels for redundancy.
But what carriage would they use?
Edit: BTW, I don't meant o make light of this situation. I'm a bit upset already, and best wishes to HMQ and her family.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Charles is King instantaneously
Indeed, although we should note that this is a legal fiction as no information can actually travel faster than the speed of light.
The Queen has got on with Meghan better than almost all the rest of the family combined, and always was relatively unfussed by the whole conflict and nonsensical tribalism on both sides about it, and social media wars. Good to see that she's there - it seems very likely the Queen has asked for that.
Do you actually have any evidence for that?
Ms Markle has levelled some pretty unsavoury stuff at the Royal Family, knowing they are limited in the way they can respond.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Charles is King instantaneously
Indeed, although we should note that this is a legal fiction as no information can actually travel faster than the speed of light.
I read a brilliant explanation the other day as to how quantum entanglement can convey information instantaneously, but also how it isn't very interesting information: take a pair of gloves, put them into 2 identical bags, randomly pick a bag, drive 50 miles. Open your bag. You now know instantaneously (faster than light) the chirality of the 50 mile away glove.
There will be three days of official mourning when she does die. Everything will close down for those three days. (Not sure about food shops.) We had to consider "London Bridge" insurance for the Dart Music Festival. If she had died during it, we had to pull the plug.
The BBC don't seem to be cutting back to the studio.
I’m watching GB News - it’s the only UK news channel on Youtube - and they’ve not had a studio shot for more than an hour now. Perhaps they’re re-arranging it. Lots of croaky voices and the occasional slip into the past tense from guests.
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. .
And possibly the best Hornby train set of all time.
Horby Dublo or modern Hornby? The original one was cast metal not plastic, as I recall from the 1960s.
More seriously, using a Deltic or a steam loco to hand would certainly avoid any concerns about wire damage - a regular, though not common, issue on the ECML.
The problems of coaling and watering most large steam locos for the Edinburgh to London run means that there would have to be two or three stops on the way - and that means they probably won't do it. But if they do, there will be a diesel backup as well.
I'd expect it to be two large diesels for redundancy.
But what carriage would they use?
Edit: BTW, I don't meant o make light of this situation. I'm a bit upset already, and best wishes to HMQ and her family.
The Royal Train still exists, but if that does not have a suitable vehicle they could whip out the seats from a modern coach anyway (especially if they have had some warning). They would need to install curtains, though.
It's possible a quick respray of a closed van would be used. Edit: Or vinyl over the windows of a coach anyway.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Charles is King instantaneously
Indeed, although we should note that this is a legal fiction as no information can actually travel faster than the speed of light.
I read a brilliant explanation the other day as to how quantum entanglement can convey information instantaneously, but also how it isn't very interesting information: take a pair of gloves, put them into 2 identical bags, randomly pick a bag, drive 50 miles. Open your bag. You now know instantaneously (faster than light) the chirality of the 50 mile away glove.
The information transmission in your brain is not instantaneous.
The Queen has got on with Meghan better than almost all the rest of the family combined, and always was relatively unfussed by the whole conflict and nonsensical tribalism on both sides about it, and social media wars. Good to see that she's there - it seems very likely the Queen has asked for that.
Do you actually have any evidence for that?
Ms Markle has levelled some pretty unsavoury stuff at the Royal Family, knowing they are limited in the way they can respond.
But not at the Queen herself - quite the opposite in fact, describing her as looking out for her with kindness when she first appeared - and thus they themselves got on well from the start. Hence the Queen's own response to the whole conflict has always been very measured and not too involved.
There will be three days of official mourning when she does die. Everything will close down for those three days. (Not sure about food shops.) We had to consider "London Bridge" insurance for the Dart Music Festival. If she had died during it, we had to pull the plug.
Well, “the queen passed away” is a better reason to miss the Duxford air show again than “I had covid and didn’t feel better in time”.
NEW: Harry and Meghan, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are travelling to Balmoral Castle. They were supposed to be doing a charity event in London this evening.
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. If only it was streamlined, as Duchess of Hamilton looks spectacular.
And thanks to the poster below for info. on Princess Elizabeth.
2 x Stanier Black 5 locomotives would also do the job.
I’m going to be extremely annoying and advocate for an HST. All these steam locos are wonderful machines, but the HST is the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan Age.
That's actually a good shout. I think it would be very fitting, and operationally much easier.
If HMQ does pass on, Truss is going to have to channel Blair’s Diana moment but on steroids. I do not envy her.
Way bigger moment than Diana.
She will have an opportunity to express the nation's gratitude. If she gets the tone just right, a very big moment in the making of Liz Truss.
Bigger formally, but perhaps smaller too as far less of a shock.
Diana was out of left-field and something nobody had expected. London Bridge is inevitable.
Is it London Bridge if she dies in Scotland - thought it was something else then?
Unicorn. (One of the Supporters of HM's Coat of Arms north of the border.)
Wiki:
Operation Unicorn
Operation Unicorn is a plan that outlines what would happen if the Queen dies in Scotland. Details about Operation Unicorn were first reported to the public in 2019, although mention of the codename was first made in the Scottish Parliament's online papers in 2017.[9][10]
Once the death has been made public, Holyrood Palace, St Giles' Cathedral, and the Scottish Parliament will serve as the focal point of gatherings, with a condolence book open to the public set up at the latter location. Parliamentary business will be suspended immediately for at least six parliamentary days, in order to allow authorities to prepare for the funeral.[10] The parliament will then prepare a motion of condolence within 72 hours of reconvening.[9] The Queen's coffin will first lie in repose at Holyrood Palace, followed by a service of reception at St Giles' Cathedral in Edinburgh. Following this, the coffin would then be transported to Waverley Station and then taken by the Royal Train to London if possible.[10][16] Otherwise the coffin would be taken by plane to London and welcomed by the prime minister and cabinet ministers.[3]
There will be three days of official mourning when she does die. Everything will close down for those three days. (Not sure about food shops.) We had to consider "London Bridge" insurance for the Dart Music Festival. If she had died during it, we had to pull the plug.
What happens with schools etc?
It won't be announced until after the close today, but if its announced tonight would schools be closed tomorrow or open?
The Queen has got on with Meghan better than almost all the rest of the family combined, and always was relatively unfussed by the whole conflict and nonsensical tribalism on both sides about it, and social media wars. Good to see that she's there - it seems very likely the Queen has asked for that.
Do you actually have any evidence for that?
Ms Markle has levelled some pretty unsavoury stuff at the Royal Family, knowing they are limited in the way they can respond.
But not at the Queen herself - quite the opposite in fact, describing her as looking out for her with kindness when she first appeared - and they got on well from the start. Hence the Queen's response herself has always been very measured.
Just a shame that level of kindness was not reciprocated.
There will be three days of official mourning when she does die. Everything will close down for those three days. (Not sure about food shops.) We had to consider "London Bridge" insurance for the Dart Music Festival. If she had died during it, we had to pull the plug.
What happens with schools etc?
It won't be announced until after the close today, but if its announced tonight would schools be closed tomorrow or open?
It wont be announced outside normal waking hours, if she dies late tonight no announcement would be made until tomorrow morning
Just back to the energy stuff, the sentiment is good but I think the target of becoming a net exporter of energy by 2040 is nowhere near ambitious enough. We should be aiming to do that by 2030 and by 2040 having a huge domestic energy surplus so our industries benefit from low prices and clean energy generation.
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. If only it was streamlined, as Duchess of Hamilton looks spectacular.
And thanks to the poster below for info. on Princess Elizabeth.
2 x Stanier Black 5 locomotives would also do the job.
I’m going to be extremely annoying and advocate for an HST. All these steam locos are wonderful machines, but the HST is the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan Age.
That's actually a good shout. I think it would be very fitting, and operationally much easier.
I'd be okay with an HST but I'd dispute that they are the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan age, as they weren't introduced until after her silver jubilee! A first generation diesel like a Deltic would be more fitting IMHO.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Charles is King instantaneously
Indeed, although we should note that this is a legal fiction as no information can actually travel faster than the speed of light.
I read a brilliant explanation the other day as to how quantum entanglement can convey information instantaneously, but also how it isn't very interesting information: take a pair of gloves, put them into 2 identical bags, randomly pick a bag, drive 50 miles. Open your bag. You now know instantaneously (faster than light) the chirality of the 50 mile away glove.
The information transmission in your brain is not instantaneous.
No you don't; you don't know its position or even whether it has been destroyed or altered meanwhile.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Charles is King instantaneously
Indeed, although we should note that this is a legal fiction as no information can actually travel faster than the speed of light.
I read a brilliant explanation the other day as to how quantum entanglement can convey information instantaneously, but also how it isn't very interesting information: take a pair of gloves, put them into 2 identical bags, randomly pick a bag, drive 50 miles. Open your bag. You now know instantaneously (faster than light) the chirality of the 50 mile away glove.
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. If only it was streamlined, as Duchess of Hamilton looks spectacular.
And thanks to the poster below for info. on Princess Elizabeth.
2 x Stanier Black 5 locomotives would also do the job.
I’m going to be extremely annoying and advocate for an HST. All these steam locos are wonderful machines, but the HST is the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan Age.
That's actually a good shout. I think it would be very fitting, and operationally much easier.
Is Highland Chieftain still knocking about? That would seem the appropriate choice.
If HMQ does pass on, Truss is going to have to channel Blair’s Diana moment but on steroids. I do not envy her.
Way bigger moment than Diana.
She will have an opportunity to express the nation's gratitude. If she gets the tone just right, a very big moment in the making of Liz Truss.
Bigger formally, but perhaps smaller too as far less of a shock.
Diana was out of left-field and something nobody had expected. London Bridge is inevitable.
Is it London Bridge if she dies in Scotland - thought it was something else then?
Unicorn. (One of the Supporters of HM's Coat of Arms north of the border.)
Wiki:
Operation Unicorn
Operation Unicorn is a plan that outlines what would happen if the Queen dies in Scotland. Details about Operation Unicorn were first reported to the public in 2019, although mention of the codename was first made in the Scottish Parliament's online papers in 2017.[9][10]
Once the death has been made public, Holyrood Palace, St Giles' Cathedral, and the Scottish Parliament will serve as the focal point of gatherings, with a condolence book open to the public set up at the latter location. Parliamentary business will be suspended immediately for at least six parliamentary days, in order to allow authorities to prepare for the funeral.[10] The parliament will then prepare a motion of condolence within 72 hours of reconvening.[9] The Queen's coffin will first lie in repose at Holyrood Palace, followed by a service of reception at St Giles' Cathedral in Edinburgh. Following this, the coffin would then be transported to Waverley Station and then taken by the Royal Train to London if possible.[10][16] Otherwise the coffin would be taken by plane to London and welcomed by the prime minister and cabinet ministers.[3]
The Queen doing her bit for the Union until the very end.
There will be three days of official mourning when she does die. Everything will close down for those three days. (Not sure about food shops.) We had to consider "London Bridge" insurance for the Dart Music Festival. If she had died during it, we had to pull the plug.
Think I remember reading somewhere that the ECB have insurance for if it happens during a Test Match (which started today).
There will be three days of official mourning when she does die. Everything will close down for those three days. (Not sure about food shops.) We had to consider "London Bridge" insurance for the Dart Music Festival. If she had died during it, we had to pull the plug.
What happens with schools etc?
It won't be announced until after the close today, but if its announced tonight would schools be closed tomorrow or open?
It wont be announced outside normal waking hours, if she dies late tonight no announcement would be made until tomorrow morning
I was kind of thinking they would announce it outside business hours but during waking hours. So eg about 10pm.
But all the more, if its announced at say 7am or 8am tomorrow morning, are schools open as normal tomorrow or closed? Its not something that we've ever discussed so I have no idea, it would cause a lot of disruption if stuff were suddenly shut without notice.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Charles is King instantaneously
Indeed, although we should note that this is a legal fiction as no information can actually travel faster than the speed of light.
Quantum entanglement. Yes it can.
Ah, a classic PB side debate. No, that’s not proven, and a lot of people are theorising around how it need not mean the exchange of information and break that rule.
The Queen has got on with Meghan better than almost all the rest of the family combined, and always was relatively unfussed by the whole conflict and nonsensical tribalism on both sides about it, and social media wars. Good to see that she's there - it seems very likely the Queen has asked for that.
Do you actually have any evidence for that?
Ms Markle has levelled some pretty unsavoury stuff at the Royal Family, knowing they are limited in the way they can respond.
But not at the Queen herself - quite the opposite in fact, describing her as looking out for her with kindness when she first appeared - and they got on well from the start. Hence the Queen's response herself has always been very measured.
Just a shame that level of kindness was not reciprocated.
I hope for Harry's sake he gets to see her. He was invited to Balmoral this summer but declined, reportedly. If he arrives after the end, he will regret this I think. Meghan is completely unimportant at this time.
There are other grandchildren whom the Queen has known and loved for far longer who will be sad at such a time. Let alone the great-grandchildren.
There will be three days of official mourning when she does die. Everything will close down for those three days. (Not sure about food shops.) We had to consider "London Bridge" insurance for the Dart Music Festival. If she had died during it, we had to pull the plug.
Think I remember reading somewhere that the ECB have insurance for if it happens during a Test Match (which started today).
Another strange reason for abandoning a test along with Dangerous Pitch (Sabina Park) and that one where it got flooded?
If HMQ does pass on, Truss is going to have to channel Blair’s Diana moment but on steroids. I do not envy her.
Way bigger moment than Diana.
She will have an opportunity to express the nation's gratitude. If she gets the tone just right, a very big moment in the making of Liz Truss.
Bigger formally, but perhaps smaller too as far less of a shock.
Diana was out of left-field and something nobody had expected. London Bridge is inevitable.
Is it London Bridge if she dies in Scotland - thought it was something else then?
Unicorn. (One of the Supporters of HM's Coat of Arms north of the border.)
Wiki:
Operation Unicorn
Operation Unicorn is a plan that outlines what would happen if the Queen dies in Scotland. Details about Operation Unicorn were first reported to the public in 2019, although mention of the codename was first made in the Scottish Parliament's online papers in 2017.[9][10]
Once the death has been made public, Holyrood Palace, St Giles' Cathedral, and the Scottish Parliament will serve as the focal point of gatherings, with a condolence book open to the public set up at the latter location. Parliamentary business will be suspended immediately for at least six parliamentary days, in order to allow authorities to prepare for the funeral.[10] The parliament will then prepare a motion of condolence within 72 hours of reconvening.[9] The Queen's coffin will first lie in repose at Holyrood Palace, followed by a service of reception at St Giles' Cathedral in Edinburgh. Following this, the coffin would then be transported to Waverley Station and then taken by the Royal Train to London if possible.[10][16] Otherwise the coffin would be taken by plane to London and welcomed by the prime minister and cabinet ministers.[3]
The Queen doing her bit for the Union until the very end.
Actually, Queen V established the primacy of the (then Established) Church of Scotland north of the border for anything she did - she went to kirk with the C of S, not (as some might expect) the Episcopalian Church. The Royals have followed that ever since, e.g. as seen in going to Crathie kirk while at Balmoral, not the local Pisky one, even though the C of S disestablished a century ago. This, to some extent, is simply the continuance of that tradition (note that what is misnamed here St Giles' Cathedral has not been one since 1690, but simply the High Kirk of St Giles).
The Queen has got on with Meghan better than almost all the rest of the family combined, and always was relatively unfussed by the whole conflict and nonsensical tribalism on both sides about it, and social media wars. Good to see that she's there - it seems very likely the Queen has asked for that.
Do you actually have any evidence for that?
Ms Markle has levelled some pretty unsavoury stuff at the Royal Family, knowing they are limited in the way they can respond.
But not at the Queen herself - quite the opposite in fact, describing her as looking out for her with kindness when she first appeared - and they got on well from the start. Hence the Queen's response herself has always been very measured.
Just a shame that level of kindness was not reciprocated.
I hope for Harry's sake he gets to see her. He was invited to Balmoral this summer but declined, reportedly. If he arrives after the end, he will regret this I think. Meghan is completely unimportant at this time.
There are other grandchildren whom the Queen has known and loved for far longer who will be sad at such a time. Let alone the great-grandchildren.
The BBC don't seem to be cutting back to the studio.
I’m watching GB News - it’s the only UK news channel on Youtube - and they’ve not had a studio shot for more than an hour now. Perhaps they’re re-arranging it. Lots of croaky voices and the occasional slip into the past tense from guests.
Just back to the energy stuff, the sentiment is good but I think the target of becoming a net exporter of energy by 2040 is nowhere near ambitious enough. We should be aiming to do that by 2030 and by 2040 having a huge domestic energy surplus so our industries benefit from low prices and clean energy generation.
That would require her to build the onshore wind and solar that she doesn’t like instead of chasing the fracking canard (still no mention of the BGS report).
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Charles is King instantaneously
Indeed, although we should note that this is a legal fiction as no information can actually travel faster than the speed of light.
I read a brilliant explanation the other day as to how quantum entanglement can convey information instantaneously, but also how it isn't very interesting information: take a pair of gloves, put them into 2 identical bags, randomly pick a bag, drive 50 miles. Open your bag. You now know instantaneously (faster than light) the chirality of the 50 mile away glove.
I think it is. The speed at which politicians have reacted to this and the way things are being phrased suggests to me there has been some news through official channels which essentially is letting them know to prepare themselves.
The BBC are also not holding back on the level of concern.
The BBC don't seem to be cutting back to the studio.
I’m watching GB News - it’s the only UK news channel on Youtube - and they’ve not had a studio shot for more than an hour now. Perhaps they’re re-arranging it. Lots of croaky voices and the occasional slip into the past tense from guests.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Charles is King instantaneously
Indeed, although we should note that this is a legal fiction as no information can actually travel faster than the speed of light.
I read a brilliant explanation the other day as to how quantum entanglement can convey information instantaneously, but also how it isn't very interesting information: take a pair of gloves, put them into 2 identical bags, randomly pick a bag, drive 50 miles. Open your bag. You now know instantaneously (faster than light) the chirality of the 50 mile away glove.
If HMQ does pass on, Truss is going to have to channel Blair’s Diana moment but on steroids. I do not envy her.
Way bigger moment than Diana.
She will have an opportunity to express the nation's gratitude. If she gets the tone just right, a very big moment in the making of Liz Truss.
Bigger formally, but perhaps smaller too as far less of a shock.
Diana was out of left-field and something nobody had expected. London Bridge is inevitable.
Is it London Bridge if she dies in Scotland - thought it was something else then?
Unicorn. (One of the Supporters of HM's Coat of Arms north of the border.)
Wiki:
Operation Unicorn
Operation Unicorn is a plan that outlines what would happen if the Queen dies in Scotland. Details about Operation Unicorn were first reported to the public in 2019, although mention of the codename was first made in the Scottish Parliament's online papers in 2017.[9][10]
Once the death has been made public, Holyrood Palace, St Giles' Cathedral, and the Scottish Parliament will serve as the focal point of gatherings, with a condolence book open to the public set up at the latter location. Parliamentary business will be suspended immediately for at least six parliamentary days, in order to allow authorities to prepare for the funeral.[10] The parliament will then prepare a motion of condolence within 72 hours of reconvening.[9] The Queen's coffin will first lie in repose at Holyrood Palace, followed by a service of reception at St Giles' Cathedral in Edinburgh. Following this, the coffin would then be transported to Waverley Station and then taken by the Royal Train to London if possible.[10][16] Otherwise the coffin would be taken by plane to London and welcomed by the prime minister and cabinet ministers.[3]
The Queen doing her bit for the Union until the very end.
Actually, Queen V established the primacy of the (then Established) Church of Scotland north of the border for anything she did - she went to kirk with the C of S, not (as some might expect) the Episcopalian Church. The Royals have followed that ever since, e.g. as seen in going to Crathie kirk while at Balmoral, not the local Pisky one, even though the C of S disestablished a century ago. This, to some extent, is simply the continuance of that tradition (note that what is misnamed here St Giles' Cathedral has not been one since 1690, but simply the High Kirk of St Giles).
It’s a good compromise to prevent the wifies of Auld Reekie pitching chairs at your head.
There will be three days of official mourning when she does die. Everything will close down for those three days. (Not sure about food shops.) We had to consider "London Bridge" insurance for the Dart Music Festival. If she had died during it, we had to pull the plug.
What happens with schools etc?
It won't be announced until after the close today, but if its announced tonight would schools be closed tomorrow or open?
It wont be announced outside normal waking hours, if she dies late tonight no announcement would be made until tomorrow morning
I was kind of thinking they would announce it outside business hours but during waking hours. So eg about 10pm.
But all the more, if its announced at say 7am or 8am tomorrow morning, are schools open as normal tomorrow or closed? Its not something that we've ever discussed so I have no idea, it would cause a lot of disruption if stuff were suddenly shut without notice.
Things arent shut. I dont know that there are 3 days of closure. There are 3 days lying in State
The Queen has got on with Meghan better than almost all the rest of the family combined, and always was relatively unfussed by the whole conflict and nonsensical tribalism on both sides about it, and social media wars. Good to see that she's there - it seems very likely the Queen has asked for that.
Do you actually have any evidence for that?
Ms Markle has levelled some pretty unsavoury stuff at the Royal Family, knowing they are limited in the way they can respond.
But not at the Queen herself - quite the opposite in fact, describing her as looking out for her with kindness when she first appeared - and they got on well from the start. Hence the Queen's response herself has always been very measured.
Just a shame that level of kindness was not reciprocated.
I hope for Harry's sake he gets to see her. He was invited to Balmoral this summer but declined, reportedly. If he arrives after the end, he will regret this I think. Meghan is completely unimportant at this time.
There are other grandchildren whom the Queen has known and loved for far longer who will be sad at such a time. Let alone the great-grandchildren.
I don't personally agree that she's completely unimportant, although it's not a day for conflicts about it. Whatever her own responsibility - and she has a fair bit - the cultural polarisation between her own and Harry's supporters and those of the rest of the family has been entirely toxic, egged on by the media too from the other side, and also damaging for national and cultural cohesion.
The fact that the Queen herself has been both personally and institutionally above this, always producing the most measured statements on the conflict when the Right wanted fire, again evidenced by Meghan's apparent presence today, I would say is actually extremely importan ; and also typical of the consensual and thoughtful way she's continually carried out her role for 70 years.
I think it is. The speed at which politicians have reacted to this and the way things are being phrased suggests to me there has been some news through official channels which essentially is letting them know to prepare themselves.
We knew my grandmother was a palliative case a couple of days before she died. The team was superb and I was able to see her before she went. Nothing but respect for the PCTs. I suspect the Royal Family have had the same news.
There will be three days of official mourning when she does die. Everything will close down for those three days. (Not sure about food shops.) We had to consider "London Bridge" insurance for the Dart Music Festival. If she had died during it, we had to pull the plug.
Think I remember reading somewhere that the ECB have insurance for if it happens during a Test Match (which started today).
Another strange reason for abandoning a test along with Dangerous Pitch (Sabina Park) and that one where it got flooded?
I think that when the Queen dies everyone should stand or sit completely still - for five weeks. You just have to act like you’re totally frozen with grief because anything else would be disrespectful. Even tho this will mean all people pooing all poo everywhere
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Charles is King instantaneously
Faster than light travel, like quantum entangled particles.
I think that when the Queen dies everyone should stand or sit completely still - for five weeks. You just have to act like you’re totally frozen with grief because anything else would be disrespectful. Even tho this will mean all people pooing all poo everywhere
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. If only it was streamlined, as Duchess of Hamilton looks spectacular.
And thanks to the poster below for info. on Princess Elizabeth.
2 x Stanier Black 5 locomotives would also do the job.
I’m going to be extremely annoying and advocate for an HST. All these steam locos are wonderful machines, but the HST is the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan Age.
That's actually a good shout. I think it would be very fitting, and operationally much easier.
I'd be okay with an HST but I'd dispute that they are the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan age, as they weren't introduced until after her silver jubilee! A first generation diesel like a Deltic would be more fitting IMHO.
Deltics were a failure though. They lasted twenty years. They were a dead-end piece of tech.
HSTs have lasted (so far) 45-odd. Well over half her reign. They were also typically British - an afterthought, a compromise, that turned out to be far more successful than the 'better' thing they were playing second-fiddle to. I think one also still holds the world speed record for diesels?
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. If only it was streamlined, as Duchess of Hamilton looks spectacular.
And thanks to the poster below for info. on Princess Elizabeth.
2 x Stanier Black 5 locomotives would also do the job.
I’m going to be extremely annoying and advocate for an HST. All these steam locos are wonderful machines, but the HST is the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan Age.
That's actually a good shout. I think it would be very fitting, and operationally much easier.
I'd be okay with an HST but I'd dispute that they are the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan age, as they weren't introduced until after her silver jubilee! A first generation diesel like a Deltic would be more fitting IMHO.
Deltics were a failure though. They lasted twenty years. They were a dead-end piece of tech.
HSTs have lasted (so far) 45-odd. Well over half her reign. They were also typically British - an afterthought, a compromise, that turned out to be far more successful than the 'better' thing they were playing second-fiddle to. I think one also still holds the world speed record for diesels?
Yep, was very pleased to find one to ride in from Castle Cary to Padders 3 years back! In terms of comfort they are much superior to the modern DfT's idea of cramming seatage in.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Charles is King instantaneously
Faster than light travel, like quantum entangled particles.
A demise of the crown also used to meant that Parliament was automatically dissolved up until the 19th century I believe. Imagine, we’d be having an October GE!
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I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. If only it was streamlined, as Duchess of Hamilton looks spectacular.
And thanks to the poster below for info. on Princess Elizabeth.
2 x Stanier Black 5 locomotives would also do the job.
I’m going to be extremely annoying and advocate for an HST. All these steam locos are wonderful machines, but the HST is the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan Age.
That's actually a good shout. I think it would be very fitting, and operationally much easier.
I'd be okay with an HST but I'd dispute that they are the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan age, as they weren't introduced until after her silver jubilee! A first generation diesel like a Deltic would be more fitting IMHO.
Deltics were a failure though. They lasted twenty years. They were a dead-end piece of tech.
HSTs have lasted (so far) 45-odd. Well over half her reign. They were also typically British - an afterthought, a compromise, that turned out to be far more successful than the 'better' thing they were playing second-fiddle to. I think one also still holds the world speed record for diesels?
Yep, not to mention being the train that anyone born in her reign took to job interviews, weddings, funerals and sports fixtures. It’s dyed in the national psyche, even if most people don’t realise it.
I think that when the Queen dies everyone should stand or sit completely still - for five weeks. You just have to act like you’re totally frozen with grief because anything else would be disrespectful. Even tho this will mean all people pooing all poo everywhere
I take it you binned the walk and got shitfaced instead?
I think that when the Queen dies everyone should stand or sit completely still - for five weeks. You just have to act like you’re totally frozen with grief because anything else would be disrespectful. Even tho this will mean all people pooing all poo everywhere
…what the actual fuck?
Grief, drink and strenuous exercise can do strange things to a chap
I think that when the Queen dies everyone should stand or sit completely still - for five weeks. You just have to act like you’re totally frozen with grief because anything else would be disrespectful. Even tho this will mean all people pooing all poo everywhere
Just keep an eye open for a dodgy Austin K2 ambulance that is actually transplanted onto a four wheel drive chariot, with three blokes and a female nurse in it.
I think that when the Queen dies everyone should stand or sit completely still - for five weeks. You just have to act like you’re totally frozen with grief because anything else would be disrespectful. Even tho this will mean all people pooing all poo everywhere
…what the actual fuck?
Grief, drink and strenuous exercise can do strange things to a chap
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. If only it was streamlined, as Duchess of Hamilton looks spectacular.
And thanks to the poster below for info. on Princess Elizabeth.
2 x Stanier Black 5 locomotives would also do the job.
I’m going to be extremely annoying and advocate for an HST. All these steam locos are wonderful machines, but the HST is the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan Age.
That's actually a good shout. I think it would be very fitting, and operationally much easier.
I'd be okay with an HST but I'd dispute that they are the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan age, as they weren't introduced until after her silver jubilee! A first generation diesel like a Deltic would be more fitting IMHO.
Deltics were a failure though. They lasted twenty years. They were a dead-end piece of tech.
HSTs have lasted (so far) 45-odd. Well over half her reign. They were also typically British - an afterthought, a compromise, that turned out to be far more successful than the 'better' thing they were playing second-fiddle to. I think one also still holds the world speed record for diesels?
Yep, not to mention being the train that anyone born in her reign took to job interviews, weddings, funerals and sports fixtures. It’s dyed in the national psyche, even if most people don’t realise it.
They came in about the time I got my first job. I can remember the smell of the early brakes.
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I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. If only it was streamlined, as Duchess of Hamilton looks spectacular.
And thanks to the poster below for info. on Princess Elizabeth.
2 x Stanier Black 5 locomotives would also do the job.
I’m going to be extremely annoying and advocate for an HST. All these steam locos are wonderful machines, but the HST is the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan Age.
That's actually a good shout. I think it would be very fitting, and operationally much easier.
I'd be okay with an HST but I'd dispute that they are the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan age, as they weren't introduced until after her silver jubilee! A first generation diesel like a Deltic would be more fitting IMHO.
There will be three days of official mourning when she does die. Everything will close down for those three days. (Not sure about food shops.) We had to consider "London Bridge" insurance for the Dart Music Festival. If she had died during it, we had to pull the plug.
What happens with schools etc?
It won't be announced until after the close today, but if its announced tonight would schools be closed tomorrow or open?
When her father died I was at grammar school. News filtered out around about lunchtime and we were all summoned to the hall before afternoon lesson started. "Boys "started the headmaster "I have to tell you that the king has died." He paused. "As this is a sad occasion there will not be a half holiday; please return to your classes! "
Just back to the energy stuff, the sentiment is good but I think the target of becoming a net exporter of energy by 2040 is nowhere near ambitious enough. We should be aiming to do that by 2030 and by 2040 having a huge domestic energy surplus so our industries benefit from low prices and clean energy generation.
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We should start thinking about moving the Ukrainian border east of Moscow.
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. If only it was streamlined, as Duchess of Hamilton looks spectacular.
And thanks to the poster below for info. on Princess Elizabeth.
2 x Stanier Black 5 locomotives would also do the job.
I’m going to be extremely annoying and advocate for an HST. All these steam locos are wonderful machines, but the HST is the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan Age.
That's actually a good shout. I think it would be very fitting, and operationally much easier.
I'd be okay with an HST but I'd dispute that they are the railway symbol of the new Elizabethan age, as they weren't introduced until after her silver jubilee! A first generation diesel like a Deltic would be more fitting IMHO.
There will be three days of official mourning when she does die. Everything will close down for those three days. (Not sure about food shops.) We had to consider "London Bridge" insurance for the Dart Music Festival. If she had died during it, we had to pull the plug.
Think I remember reading somewhere that the ECB have insurance for if it happens during a Test Match (which started today).
Another strange reason for abandoning a test along with Dangerous Pitch (Sabina Park) and that one where it got flooded?
I think that when the Queen dies everyone should stand or sit completely still - for five weeks. You just have to act like you’re totally frozen with grief because anything else would be disrespectful. Even tho this will mean all people pooing all poo everywhere
Grind it out, it's what the Queen would have wanted. In fact throw your shoes into the sea and leave bloody footprints of mourning across the Iberian peninsula.
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Diana was out of left-field and something nobody had expected. London Bridge is inevitable.
I'd expect it to be two large diesels for redundancy.
But what carriage would they use?
Edit: BTW, I don't meant o make light of this situation. I'm a bit upset already, and best wishes to HMQ and her family.
Quantum interaction
Ms Markle has levelled some pretty unsavoury stuff at the Royal Family, knowing they are limited in the way they can respond.
Sombre music - as off-screen, Huw manically changes his gear for the occasion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Auq9mYxFEE
It's possible a quick respray of a closed van would be used. Edit: Or vinyl over the windows of a coach anyway.
Oprah may be called upon to record Meghan's intensely private grief to the waiting millions.
Wiki:
Operation Unicorn
Operation Unicorn is a plan that outlines what would happen if the Queen dies in Scotland. Details about Operation Unicorn were first reported to the public in 2019, although mention of the codename was first made in the Scottish Parliament's online papers in 2017.[9][10]
Once the death has been made public, Holyrood Palace, St Giles' Cathedral, and the Scottish Parliament will serve as the focal point of gatherings, with a condolence book open to the public set up at the latter location. Parliamentary business will be suspended immediately for at least six parliamentary days, in order to allow authorities to prepare for the funeral.[10] The parliament will then prepare a motion of condolence within 72 hours of reconvening.[9] The Queen's coffin will first lie in repose at Holyrood Palace, followed by a service of reception at St Giles' Cathedral in Edinburgh. Following this, the coffin would then be transported to Waverley Station and then taken by the Royal Train to London if possible.[10][16] Otherwise the coffin would be taken by plane to London and welcomed by the prime minister and cabinet ministers.[3]
It won't be announced until after the close today, but if its announced tonight would schools be closed tomorrow or open?
But all the more, if its announced at say 7am or 8am tomorrow morning, are schools open as normal tomorrow or closed? Its not something that we've ever discussed so I have no idea, it would cause a lot of disruption if stuff were suddenly shut without notice.
There are other grandchildren whom the Queen has known and loved for far longer who will be sad at such a time. Let alone the great-grandchildren.
Blimey. This is it isn't it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmHYxJH2dSw
The BBC are also not holding back on the level of concern.
The fact that the Queen herself has been both personally and institutionally above this, always producing the most measured statements on the conflict when the Right wanted fire, again evidenced by Meghan's apparent presence today, I would say is actually extremely importan ; and also typical of the consensual and thoughtful way she's continually carried out her role for 70 years.
Pretty certain she's already gone.
The prospect of the Prince of Wales becoming king is no longer a hypothetical.
HSTs have lasted (so far) 45-odd. Well over half her reign. They were also typically British - an afterthought, a compromise, that turned out to be far more successful than the 'better' thing they were playing second-fiddle to. I think one also still holds the world speed record for diesels?
https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1567863002614927360
Look at it. 15 km. zero shade. zero. All sand
https://twitter.com/bealejonathan/status/1567860690227961856
"Boys "started the headmaster "I have to tell you that the king has died." He paused.
"As this is a sad occasion there will not be a half holiday; please return to your classes! "
PS the address is not filed yet, it gonna be sent in the coming days
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1567867734393749505
Stay away from upper storey windows.
And the sand!
*soldiers on, britannically*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNV8LJX1Pms
one or two batsmen glad to be out there!
I'd hope you brought a few litres of water and a hat. 15km in full sun and sand. You're not in Camden any more.
https://woodbridgetidemill.org.uk/
This is like Christmas Eve for anarchists.