I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
I find these odd words to type, but I think you may be underestimating Johnson. He was and is an utterly sleazy piece of shit, but he could get the tone right for this sort of thing. He’s not like Trump.
The tone, perhaps, but he would still look like a fucking clown at a funeral.
It is a blessing he is gone.
I'd imagine he'll be at the funeral. And I am sure he'll look fine.
All living ex PMs will be at the funeral no doubt.
Plus I suspect Heads of State and ex-Heads of State from all over the world will actually come. It’s going to be a funeral not just for her, but for the 20th century.
It will be the biggest world event in decades in terms of global gathering. It will certainly be the most watched tv event in the world by miles
I have a nasty feeling the death of HMQ is going to be for me a proxy grief for Mum because covid robbed me and the family of the chance to properly grieve for her or say the right sort of goodbye.
My sympathies, wooliedyed. I am glad in a way that my Mum passed away a bit before COVID-19 and we avoided such.
I suspect the Palace would not make an announcement until William is there, the official 'end' will require the family to be with her.
Wasn't there talk that her predecessor's end was hastened to fall at a more convenient time for the evening radio? Much easier to quicken than to delay, of course.
Not so convenient for HMQ. She was up a tree in Africa at the time.
I have a nasty feeling the death of HMQ is going to be for me a proxy grief for Mum because covid robbed me and the family of the chance to properly grieve for her or say the right sort of goodbye.
My sympathies, wooliedyed. I am glad in a way that my Mum passed away a bit before COVID-19 and we avoided such.
I have a nasty feeling the death of HMQ is going to be for me a proxy grief for Mum because covid robbed me and the family of the chance to properly grieve for her or say the right sort of goodbye.
I think this may be true for a lot of people. Sending best wishes.
My Rangers, Royalty and Rage local the Louden Tavern is going to go absolutely tonto. I'm sure that it'll be the full 8 shutter photo wrap salute on this occasion, possibly even a tank parked outside.
Not sure of the date but I think Last Night of the Proms isn't too far off. Don't always watch it, but the anthem changing will be rather odd, if it happens.
It does seem more serious than what the statement released suggests . The family wouldn’t all be going up there otherwise .
I think, in reality, she's already passed. It's all media management and gathering the family to announce at this stage - and fair enough, I get the reasons.
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
Which I don't understand at all. Surely his name is Charles? The previous two were ok, apart from a tiny civil war for one and a lot of shagging and cavorting for the other.
Yes, but Coronation is one of those odd events where God lets you choose a new name. Popes get to do the same.
Perhaps he can be “King Dave” or “King Steve”? Capture the zeitgeist.
The most popular boys name for years has been Oliver for some reason (I know none).
King Oliver II (essentially).
We already have had a King Steve . Perhaps there is a reason why there is not a second though !
Doesn't he always top the 'Britain's worst ever monarch' list?
The Chaos.
Although history is in the gift of the history writers. Why his long (19 year) reign is so uniquely bad is explained by the various challenges from Matilda amongst others but perhaps no more or less than other monarchs.
The BBC don't seem to be cutting back to the studio.
I’m watching GB News - it’s the only UK news channel on Youtube - and they’ve not had a studio shot for more than an hour now. Perhaps they’re re-arranging it. Lots of croaky voices and the occasional slip into the past tense from guests.
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. If only it was streamlined, as Duchess of Hamilton looks spectacular.
And thanks to the poster below for info. on Princess Elizabeth.
The BBC don't seem to be cutting back to the studio.
I’m watching GB News - it’s the only UK news channel on Youtube - and they’ve not had a studio shot for more than an hour now. Perhaps they’re re-arranging it. Lots of croaky voices and the occasional slip into the past tense from guests.
Does GB News not cover events in Northern Ireland, thus the name?
It does seem more serious than what the statement released suggests . The family wouldn’t all be going up there otherwise .
I think, in reality, she's already passed. It's all media management and gathering the family to announce at this stage - and fair enough, I get the reasons.
If I can make one plea in all of this, can no one use the word "passed". Passed away is just about ok but dear god not "passed".
It does seem more serious than what the statement released suggests . The family wouldn’t all be going up there otherwise .
I think, in reality, she's already passed. It's all media management and gathering the family to announce at this stage - and fair enough, I get the reasons.
If I can make one plea in all of this, can no one use the word "passed". Passed away is just about ok but dear god not "passed".
As a a brief moment of light relief, that looks very strangely like a cross between a landscaped garden and entrance at a holiday complex - just missing those ball lights on stands - and a random piece of the Australian outback made by nature. The Queen would be amused if presented with it during a royal engagement, I think.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. .
And possibly the best Hornby train set of all time.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
Le Roi est mort....
Would have been Charles. Gone are the days when it was a race to Winchester, speaking of Stephen's era...
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
The king would have done it. “The Queen is dead. Long live the King”.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
Cynic in me says The Queen would have appointed Her new PM but there'd have been no photos released.
NEW: Harry and Meghan, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are travelling to Balmoral Castle. They were supposed to be doing a charity event in London this evening.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
Cynic in me says The Queen would have appointed Her new PM but there'd have been no photos released.
I think Johnson woudl have stayed as to not avoid a newsclash
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
Charles becomes King the moment his mother dies. However, when such things have happened in the past no change of government has taken place during the official mourning.
Equally, that was when the death of a sovereign automatically dissolved Parliament anyway. In 1901 and 1936 Salisbury and Baldwin hung on for a bit longer than they had planned to make sure the succession went smoothly (which didn’t quite work in Baldwin’s case)!
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Charles is King instantaneously
Indeed, although we should note that this is a legal fiction as no information can actually travel faster than the speed of light.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Monarchy travels at the speed of light. I believe the High Frequency Traders have looked into using it.
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. .
And possibly the best Hornby train set of all time.
Horby Dublo or modern Hornby? The original one was cast metal not plastic, as I recall from the 1960s.
More seriously, using a Deltic or a steam loco to hand would certainly avoid any concerns about wire damage - a regular, though not common, issue on the ECML.
I really hope she recovers, but if HMQ were to die in Scotland, that would be "interesting"
Why?
Special procedures, I think trains are involved.
There would be something entirely fitting about a funeral cortège moving down the ECML allowing people the length of the country to pay their respects.
Would be a bugger for train schedules, but it would be symbolic.
Pulled by Flying Scotsman, Mallard or a Deltic. Would be beautiful. Thoughts with HMQ and her family today, feeling very sombre.
Mallard definitely.
Definitely not I'm afraid. Mallard is not in running condition. It can be hauled along the tracks, but it can't haul anything.
Is 'Princess Elizabeth' available? It was named after her, and is mainline certified.
But it has to be a loco that is immediately available on her death. We'll probably get a 68 or 60 ...
Clan Line or Duchess of Sutherland might be available to haul a funeral train.
It seems an odd thing to be discussing, but please let it be the Duchess of Sutherland. A magnificent loco, and the most powerful class of steam locos ever to run in Britain. If only it was streamlined, as Duchess of Hamilton looks spectacular.
And thanks to the poster below for info. on Princess Elizabeth.
2 x Stanier Black 5 locomotives would also do the job.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Monarchy travels at the speed of light. I believe the High Frequency Traders have looked into using it.
Perhaps the Queen and Prince Charles are in a state of quantum entanglement?
As a a brief moment of light relief, that looks very strangely like a cross between a landscaped garden and entrance at a holiday complex - just missing those ball lights on stands - and a random piece of the Australian outback made by nature. The Queen would be amused if presented with it during a royal engagement, I think.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Charles is King instantaneously
Indeed, although we should note that this is a legal fiction as no information can actually travel faster than the speed of light.
The Queen has got on with Meghan better than almost all the rest of the family combined, and always was relatively unfussed by the whole conflict and nonsensical tribalism associated with it , and the various social media wars and cultural polarisation. Good to see that she's there, and it seems very likely the Queen herself has asked for that - in fact that's almost certain, I would say.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Monarchy travels at the speed of light. I believe the High Frequency Traders have looked into using it.
You only have a limited line of succession to use as quantum pairs. Eventually you get the wrong German title holder due to an error in the 12th century and your chain breaks.
We always say in politics events and this will be huge and Truss's Blair moment
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
What would have happened if the Queen had died on Monday or Tuesday, with the new PM needing to be seen? Is there a protocol? Would Johnson have continued for a while, or would Prince Charles have done it?
I believe Charlie takes over her responsibilities from the moment of death but I’d not take that as Gospel.
Monarchy travels at the speed of light. I believe the High Frequency Traders have looked into using it.
From Terry Pratchett:
“The only thing known to go faster than ordinary light is monarchy, according to the philosopher Ly Tin Wheedle. He reasoned like this: you can't have more than one king, and tradition demands that there is no gap between kings, so when a king dies the succession must therefore pass to the heir instantaneously. Presumably, he said, there must be some elementary particles -- kingons, or possibly queons -- that do this job, but of course succession sometimes fails if, in mid-flight, they strike an anti-particle, or republicon."
If this is the day, then weirdly impressive that she held on just long enough to carry out the hand over for Truss.
I'm sort of imagining the Queen would go on as some sort of Hari Seldon (from the Foundation) type figures - having recorded speeches for all the things foreseen to come in the future, reassuring the British people at all kind of future events both domestic and global. It's that sort of day.
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https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1567857237112098822
I might expire before her Maj
https://youtu.be/tQpV-A2zOvI
Although history is in the gift of the history writers. Why his long (19 year) reign is so uniquely bad is explained by the various challenges from Matilda amongst others but perhaps no more or less than other monarchs.
Times Radio cutting off coverage to run adverts for McDonald’s.
How dare they.
And thanks to the poster below for info. on Princess Elizabeth.
The news will be dominated for weeks to come with both the funeral and coronation being World events
The only good news is it is Truss and not Johnson
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Would have been Charles. Gone are the days when it was a race to Winchester, speaking of Stephen's era...
The nation is at least fortunate to have got rid of the clown prior.
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1567858932164579328
https://northernbelle.co.uk/journeys/princess-elizabeth-steam
So presumably available.
Equally, that was when the death of a sovereign automatically dissolved Parliament anyway. In 1901 and 1936 Salisbury and Baldwin hung on for a bit longer than they had planned to make sure the succession went smoothly (which didn’t quite work in Baldwin’s case)!
More seriously, using a Deltic or a steam loco to hand would certainly avoid any concerns about wire damage - a regular, though not common, issue on the ECML.
“The only thing known to go faster than ordinary light is monarchy, according to the philosopher Ly Tin Wheedle. He reasoned like this: you can't have more than one king, and tradition demands that there is no gap between kings, so when a king dies the succession must therefore pass to the heir instantaneously. Presumably, he said, there must be some elementary particles -- kingons, or possibly queons -- that do this job, but of course succession sometimes fails if, in mid-flight, they strike an anti-particle, or republicon."
She will have an opportunity to express the nation's gratitude. If she gets the tone just right, a very big moment in the making of Liz Truss.
I'm sort of imagining the Queen would go on as some sort of Hari Seldon (from the Foundation) type figures - having recorded speeches for all the things foreseen to come in the future, reassuring the British people at all kind of future events both domestic and global. It's that sort of day.