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Why being anti-lockdown might not be popular – politicalbetting.com
Why being anti-lockdown might not be popular – politicalbetting.com
Were the COVID lockdowns worth it? Rishi Sunak has complained that ministers weren't allowed to discuss the trade-offs, but for 62% of Britons (and 61% of Tory voters), the benefits were worth the costshttps://t.co/HayJNDPJB6 pic.twitter.com/41IcGhv4Yo
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Is woke the end of civilisation as we know it? I suspect not but any idea pushed to an extreme would probably be so. What is woke? It's essentially a modern form of egalitarianism. You can argue whether or not it really is about equality but that is what drives the true believers. As well as providing representation for the previously marginalised. We have been here before. What was the trade union movement about?
Some people took it too the extreme of 'socialising the means of production' or 'to each according to ability to each according to need.' Was that civilisation ending when implemented? In some cases it probably was. If your only concern is equality and you have no interest in knowledge, freedom, scientific advancement, raising overall living standards, personal responsibility or a concept of justice separate to equality that may be where you end up.
In the 1960s some radicals thought one solution revolution, sex equals rape, property is theft. Are these now all accepted norms?
Oops wrong thread!
And the public should a) have been exposed to discussions about the pros and cons (i.e. treated like adults and not kids by the elite) b) and have not been so scared by the advertising campaigns warning of total doom.
It also seems that minutes were doctored to remove sci opinions that differed from the main strategy of locking down. And as he points out it is all very odd when Whitty and Valance were initially against lockdowns.
There seems to have been no attempt to do even a basic cost/benefit analysis.
It is a shocking read about the lax way we are governed.
I will note this tho: a year back I barely knew anyone who was really skeptical about lockdowns. My mad but wise brother was one. A couple of journalist friends. A few on here
Now I hear it everywhere. “The lockdowns were stupid and wrong”
People are definitely more open to the idea we made a terrible error
Anyway, I'd better go and do some work so that I can save up for a candle or two.....
Laters.
Now Truss is a political animal, or so everybody claims, so why does she disregard these polls?
Gas bill up 300%. And not 600% thanks only to my landlord.
Bitch.
I have to add I am boycotting F1 after last year. Much happier watching CoffeeWalk, Samcrac, Salvage Rebuilds, Hoovies (thanks for the tip) and Nurburgring hits and near misses.
I’m increasingly skeptical about lockdowns 2 and 3. Not worth it. But we had to do some version of lockdown 1 because we had no idea what we were facing
So how would I answer this question?
But it is an intriguing difference. So many ultra lockdowners on Twitter are also angry Remoaners. Why?
The rhetorical game about what woke is and what it isn't is ultimately a empty distraction.
I would read one of Douglas Murrays last two books (the 'madness of crowds' or 'the war on the west') and try and explain how he is wrong.
I think Murray is over provocative and dramatic, and lacks solutions, but I find his diagnosis of the problem very convincing.
They see themselves as propagandists and political warriors. We saw this in spades with COVID (why aren't you locking down harder?) and we can see it with the tory leadership campaign.
All the big boy journalists clearly supported Sunak. When it became clear he might lose they tried to bounce Truss into Sunak's policies. In order to achieve this they wrote 'news' that was at best questionable and at worst frankly lies.
If it is true that there is no spending package, just go back and read some of the reports in the broadsheets. Its pretty sobering stuff.
I would tentatively suggest that remainers tend to a more pro government position. They like more regulation, whether from the EU or their own government. They don't trust others to behave as sensibly as they consider they do themselves.
In addition it's a "we should just have" issue. L2 and L3 could have been avoided or shortened, but by competent pre-emption, not bloody-minded refusal to countenance them.
You wanted everyone to vote YES in 2014 which would have meant iScotland instantly leaving the EU
I don’t think you’re a Remainer. More an opportunist and a hypocrite
Presumably it is younger families who voted Leave who are causing the Remainer/Leaver differential
People like @BartholomewRoberts
“BBC tells its staff to watch out for 170 different forms of 'unconscious bias' which could fuel 'discomfort'... including discrimination based on a colleague's hobbies”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11153049/BBC-tells-staff-watch-170-different-forms-unconscious-bias.html
Betfair next prime minister
1.04 Liz Truss 96%
22 Rishi Sunak 5%
Next Conservative leader
1.03 Liz Truss 97%
26 Rishi Sunak
Expensive, but...
Both highly intelligent, highly educated, successful people. Just massive worriers. And worriers tend to confuse the idea of “worst outcome” with the idea of “most likely outcome”. That’s catastrophising in a nutshell.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/energy-bills-support-scheme-explainer
And he's very lucky his front suspension wasn't smashed.
Well, it's different, I'll give them that.
About the only one who's done exactly what was expected at the time expected is George Russell.
Yes, that tends to be my experience as well, and it is the same highly educated cohort that's most vulnerable.
I think the problem here is that highly educated people believe that their education makes them naturally more intelligent and therefore more likely to be right. Therefore any information that challenges their beliefs is likely to be discounted as wrong.
For those of us geeky enough to have played Dungeons and Dragons as kids, it's like when you created a character and you had intelligence and wisdom as separate characteristics which were not linked. Highly educated people tend to be 'intelligent', not necessarily 'wise'.
And yet, even though it is undefined, I am sure @SouthamObserver would want us to fight Fascism. Read across for the studied enigma that is Wokeness. Indeed part of the reason Wokeness is so insidious and menacing is that it comes in multiple guises, from "decolonisation" to Extreme Trans Rights. It is a hydra
...oh wait, paragraph 2 you did actually mean it.
My take - again as a generality and with no aspersion cast on any specific individuals either on here or out there - is slightly different to David's and is as follows:
In order to conclude that the lockdowns - including even the 1st one - were unnecessary it helps enormously to believe that Covid was not the virus it was, was not spreading in the way that it was, was not as dangerous to people as it was.
Leavers, on the whole, are more likely than Remainers to inhabit fantasies such as this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uztIUUh5-WE
A much more serious than cold or flu virus that ~99% of people would survive and ~1% would die from.
It may be callous, but 2 years of liberty and our kids education is worth more than the lives of 1% of the population when more than 1% of the population dies every year anyway.
When Sunak made his "we gave the boffins too much power" speech, it was exactly the usual Remainer suspects who jumped on him
The perception that Remainers are considerably more lockdowny than Leavers, which one might gain from looking at Twitter, is confirmed by the polls in the threader
I suspect there are multiple explanations at work: @kinabalu is probably right to an extent, but so is @DavidL
Also Remoaners are richer and "better educated" (as they never cease to tell us) so they are more likely to live in big houses with gardens. Lockdown is simply easier for them, the smug twats. HAHAHAHAHAH we Brexited. LOL Suck it up LOSERS
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*coughs politely*
Edit - no harm done in the end, but really!
F1: so... Ferrari.
I think some psychology students after doctorates could have an interesting subject to explore here.
As an aside, both of my Perez bets came off as the 26 was each way. And the unusually short Sainz bet did. Writing up the wibble now.
This is just beyond ridiculous.
PB is not a pleasant place to be when you try to drum up an online Nuremberg Rally.
He seems to have the same total inability to do simple things correctly, coupled with mind bending arrogance that leads to extraordinary mistakes a fairly bright five year old would be embarrassed by.
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The image of the Crimean Bridge that connects mainland Russia with Russian-occupied Crimea made with a Finnish-produced satellite ICEYE.
That bridge is a vulnerable point for the maintenance of Russia's hold on Crimea.
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Mercedes had some good pace, though.
They have some military optical spy sats, but the coverage that the commercial systems give is much broader. The military systems tend to super high resolution of a small area, the commercial to wider areas, with frequents repeat passes…
For example, we know there were long detailed discussions on the pros and cons of lockdown prior to them being imposed (and there were published SAGE documents from the start of March onwards). He even says that Whitty and Valance started on the anti-lockdown side (so - this somehow means that there were no discussions). Even at the time, the question of whether we were going to try to "flatten the sombrero" rather than try to lockdown - remember that? It gets raised a lot.
The March advice and meetings are available here: https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/sage-meetings-march-2020
Even as early as 4th March, there were detailed summaries of the negative effects on school closures (eg here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/887574/04-spi-b-insights-on-combined-behavioural-and-social-interventions.pdf)
As with Leon, I agree that Lockdown 1 was inescapable.
Sunak complaining ahead of Lockdown 2 and 3 that there weren't detailed economic projections for them, given the make-up and direction given SAGE, might be sound - if it wasn't that he had access to the entire resources of the Treasury
Why the hell, if the Chancellor wanted economic modelling done, didn't he use the resources of the Treasury? Who's job did he think it was to get economic information on the unfolding of the likely ways forwards? Complaining that he and the decision makers were overruled by an advisory group (when the Cabinet were known to have made calls against SAGE advice already), and whining that no-one else turned up and handed him economic modelling makes him look like a twat, frankly. That was his job, if anyone's, wasn't it?
Looks to me like he's flailing around, wanted to try to grab a certain demographic of the Fraser Nelson/Toby Young/Telegraph area, thought saying this would help, and doesn't actually care what's true or untrue. Which is poor politics - you're supposed to hint or imply or 'just ask questions' rather than say stuff that's either demonstrably untrue or makes you look a prat with a moment's thought. But Sunak hasn't impressed on his politicking skills at any point in this contest.