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  • pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,880
    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cuts in VAT and business rates won't cut it at all.



    https://twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/1562854458299936768


    Sunak's is by far the most sensible and affordable, It just needs beefed up a bit to deal with the second round of increases. SKS's is ludicrously expensive and unaffordable and Truss's is nothing short of perverse.
    Doing nothing much except tinker at the margins is what is really unaffordable long term.
    £35bn is not nothing. But we cannot afford to repeat that largesse. The priority is those in real need.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,264
    Leon said:

    Images will be entirely devalued. Photographers and artists might as well retire

    Calm down, dear.

    I came across a quote recently attributed to Grace Hopper, a pioneer of computing, inventor of COBOL

    The quote is, "A computer will never ask a new question"

    Computers will only produce the shitty images you tell them to
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,880
    What an arse he is. I mean, really. A complete arse.
  • glwglw Posts: 8,876

    Even if "don't do a great deal" was an option now (which it isn't, in effect) it definitely won't be an option when the price cap inevitably rises again to circa 5 or 6 grand. If Truss can't see that, and why it's better to get in on a proper solution sooner rather than later when half the country is fomenting revolution, then she's an idiot.

    If households end up paying 4-5x what they used to for energy we are going to have absolutely huge problems. Cutting VAT and reversing NI rises is like trying to put out a house fire with a water pistol.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298
    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cuts in VAT and business rates won't cut it at all.



    https://twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/1562854458299936768


    Sunak's is by far the most sensible and affordable, It just needs beefed up a bit to deal with the second round of increases. SKS's is ludicrously expensive and unaffordable and Truss's is nothing short of perverse.
    Doing nothing much except tinker at the margins is what is really unaffordable long term.
    £35bn is not nothing. But we cannot afford to repeat that largesse. The priority is those in real need.
    Agreed. But the conversation is also now how to keep business going.
    That's going to dwarf your figures.
  • pingping Posts: 3,297
    edited August 2022
    Right, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and make a prediction;

    We’re going to see real energy demand destruction across Europe, this winter.

    20%, perhaps.

    A mixture of industry and business shutting down, poor people going cold and the wealthy elderly only heating one room etc.

    Futures markets are right now, near their peak and will come down, gradually, as traders realise actual use is meaningfully falling.
  • TazTaz Posts: 6,594
    edited August 2022
    dixiedean said:

    70% of pubs don't expect to survive the winter.
    It is gonna change the world and then some.
    I don't think folk have got their heads round all this yet at all.

    No they haven’t. It’s going to be a bloodbath.

    The soon to be former PM says it’s a price we need to pay.

    We absolutely need to stand up to russia and support Ukraine but the govt need to mitigate in the short term while we find medium term solutions.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Truss and the rump of Borisites and Sunakites.
    There's your coalition.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,316
    Good lord, a supreme court nominee who honestly answers questions about his opinions.

    Supreme Court justice nominee supports abolishment of death penalty
    http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=335155
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,880
    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cuts in VAT and business rates won't cut it at all.



    https://twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/1562854458299936768


    Sunak's is by far the most sensible and affordable, It just needs beefed up a bit to deal with the second round of increases. SKS's is ludicrously expensive and unaffordable and Truss's is nothing short of perverse.
    Doing nothing much except tinker at the margins is what is really unaffordable long term.
    £35bn is not nothing. But we cannot afford to repeat that largesse. The priority is those in real need.
    Agreed. But the conversation is also now how to keep business going.
    That's going to dwarf your figures.
    Business will have to pass on their costs. Which will drive up inflation and make it more persistent than the muppets in the BoE forecast but that cannot be helped. We simply cannot pretend that this is not happening nor isolate ourselves from it. It is a material change in our terms of trade and we need to adjust to it. And we have to make sure the poor do not freeze. That's it.
  • dixiedean said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Truss and the rump of Borisites and Sunakites.
    There's your coalition.
    Not the one I had in mind
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298
    The 1922 has royally f**ked this up, haven't they?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,637
    edited August 2022
    Meh. Everything is Fine



    "The iconic Shanghai skyline went dark on Monday. Offices are using large blocks of ice to stay cool due to power cuts. Why is China struggling to power its cities? A record-breaking drought has caused some rivers in China including parts of the Yangtze to dry up…"

    https://twitter.com/SortedEagle/status/1563970247329099776?s=20&t=ycU5zY5bnvXLQs9oZHwHXg
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,324

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,825
    Yes, as the article points out this has remained government policy since, only without the lib Dem policies of mass insulation of homes and roll out of new renewable sources.

    Fracking is only ever supported by people not wanting it near them. Support fracking on your own constituency as an MP and pick up your P45.
  • pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Nor that
  • dixiedean said:

    The 1922 has royally f**ked this up, haven't they?

    Yes
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Images will be entirely devalued. Photographers and artists might as well retire

    Calm down, dear.

    I came across a quote recently attributed to Grace Hopper, a pioneer of computing, inventor of COBOL

    The quote is, "A computer will never ask a new question"

    Computers will only produce the shitty images you tell them to
    Pseudo-profound hippy claptrap, there's an infinite number of questions in any natural language and even when the silly old trout was farting about with COBOL it was trivial to tell a computer to ask a new one. Billion names of God stuff.

    just to triangulate, what was her prediction for computers beating Go/chess world champions? 5000 AD, or never?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298
    Germany filling it's gas storage quicker than expected. Now 85% full.
    An advantage of having some I suppose.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,357
    Leon said:

    I am afraid to say that


    "Ilford station refurb nearing completion, as seen in August 2022."

    does not produce very exciting results

    So I did "Boris Johnson sucking a rabbit" and got this




    Some major flaws there, in the hands and eyes, etc. But remember, these flaws are built in. The models are trained so they CANNOT do faces and body parts well, and they completely reject anything sexual, porno, bloody, etc. But that is nonetheless a pretty good Boris, at least attempting to suck a rabbit

    What happens when these machines are let off the leash? Because someone will do that. In China if not here. We will be flooded with completely plausible fake images of outrageous things. Images will be entirely devalued. Photographers and artists might as well retire

    The second series of BBC drama The Capture tonight an interesting portrayal of how footage and images can be altered by technology if in the wrong hands
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,423
    Interesting documentary on BBC4 at the moment about the Satanic Verses saga.
  • TazTaz Posts: 6,594
    dixiedean said:

    The 1922 has royally f**ked this up, haven't they?

    We’re not at home to Mr Cock up.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    ping said:

    Right, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and make a prediction;

    We’re going to see real energy demand destruction across Europe, this winter.

    20%, perhaps.

    A mixture of industry and business shutting down, poor people going cold and the wealthy elderly only heating one room etc.

    Futures markets are right now, near their peak and will come down, gradually, as traders realise actual use is meaningfully falling.

    Definitely going to be demand destruction.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,264
    IshmaelZ said:

    just to triangulate, what was her prediction for computers beating Go/chess world champions? 5000 AD, or never?

    Did someone ask the machines to play Go/Chess, or did they start themselves..?

    Oh.
  • TazTaz Posts: 6,594
    dixiedean said:

    Germany filling it's gas storage quicker than expected. Now 85% full.
    An advantage of having some I suppose.

    The coalition did a great job on our gas storage.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 220
    When's the earliest we could have an election if Liz Truss announces one on 5th September? The Conservative Party need to lose that and then wash their hands of the problem as fast as possible, Return in 2024/25 after a mass revolt forces the new government to resign and resume being the natural party of government for at least the next generation.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,880
    Leon said:

    Meh. Everything is Fine



    "The iconic Shanghai skyline went dark on Monday. Offices are using large blocks of ice to stay cool due to power cuts. Why is China struggling to power its cities? A record-breaking drought has caused some rivers in China including parts of the Yangtze to dry up…"

    https://twitter.com/SortedEagle/status/1563970247329099776?s=20&t=ycU5zY5bnvXLQs9oZHwHXg

    There was a figure on here the other day showing that the Yangtze could produce roughly 6x the energy we use in our national grid. Our hydro, in comparison, is about 1-2% of what we use. China has a problem and it is going to burn millions of tonnes of more coal to cope with it. Which makes our efforts at reducing energy consumption look as much use as a Bournmouth centre back.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 2,081
    DM_Andy said:

    When's the earliest we could have an election if Liz Truss announces one on 5th September? The Conservative Party need to lose that and then wash their hands of the problem as fast as possible, Return in 2024/25 after a mass revolt forces the new government to resign and resume being the natural party of government for at least the next generation.

    Hopefully Oct 2022 👍
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,357

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Scott_xP said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    just to triangulate, what was her prediction for computers beating Go/chess world champions? 5000 AD, or never?

    Did someone ask the machines to play Go/Chess, or did they start themselves..?

    Oh.
    Could the someone bypass the computer, and defeat the world champion mano a mano?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,357
    DM_Andy said:

    When's the earliest we could have an election if Liz Truss announces one on 5th September? The Conservative Party need to lose that and then wash their hands of the problem as fast as possible, Return in 2024/25 after a mass revolt forces the new government to resign and resume being the natural party of government for at least the next generation.

    Truss has made clear she will not call a general election until 2024 in her hustings. She does not want to be the shortest serving PM in history
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,637
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Images will be entirely devalued. Photographers and artists might as well retire

    Calm down, dear.

    I came across a quote recently attributed to Grace Hopper, a pioneer of computing, inventor of COBOL

    The quote is, "A computer will never ask a new question"

    Computers will only produce the shitty images you tell them to
    You do know what happened with GPT3 and images, don't you?

    Someone for a lark asked it to draw a Japanese radish in a tutu pulling a dog on a string. They didn't expect any results. GPT3 was never trained to make images. Yet GPT3 did exactly that, to the astonishment of all, including its makers: it drew a Japanese radish in a tutu etc etc

    So you're wrong. The machines are now exhibiting entirely unexpected faculties. They have become SURPRISING

    This will continue
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298
    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
    Hang on. The LD veto expired in 2015.
    Why haven't we fracked away since then?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,604
    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
    The 2015 election was more than 7 years ago now.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298
    edited August 2022
    It's not about supporting the poor or the rich anymore.
    It's about whole swathes of business going bust en masse.
  • Leon said:

    Incredible early photo of Tony Blair at Oxford


    That must be just after he arrived from Innsmouth
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    edited August 2022
    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Germany filling it's gas storage quicker than expected. Now 85% full.
    An advantage of having some I suppose.

    The coalition did a great job on our gas storage.
    Criminal.

    Along with Clegg's 'why build nuclear when it wont deliver until 2022?'.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,357
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
    Hang on. The LD veto expired in 2015.
    Why haven't we fracked away since then?
    Boris put a moratorium on it.

    Sunak and Truss though have promised to resume fracking with local community support
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,880
    Scott_xP said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    just to triangulate, what was her prediction for computers beating Go/chess world champions? 5000 AD, or never?

    Did someone ask the machines to play Go/Chess, or did they start themselves..?

    Oh.
    I seem to remember the computer in Wargames suggesting a nice game of chess as an alternative to thermonuclear war.
  • Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    The 1922 has royally f**ked this up, haven't they?

    We’re not at home to Mr Cock up.
    Can we have Mr Cockup as a last-minute write-in candidate for the Conservative Leadership? Can't be any worse than the favourite.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,448
    edited August 2022

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5


    ...and Johnson will smash it out of the park.

    Don't forget the economy only went to hell in a handcart after Johnson appeared to leave office. It wouldn't surprise me if this had been his cunning plan all along.

    He will return cleansed.
    No chance. No leader gets sacked* by his own party, comes back and then wins an election. The electorate won't get fooled twice.


    *Ok not technically sacked, but it was clear there was a move afoot to change the rules so that he could be sacked.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
    Hang on. The LD veto expired in 2015.
    Why haven't we fracked away since then?
    Boris put a moratorium on it.

    Sunak and Truss though have promised to resume fracking with local community support
    The last four words mean a moratorium continues.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,357
    dixiedean said:

    It's not about supporting the poor or the rich anymore.
    It's about whole swathes of business going bust en masse.

    You can also provide support to small businesses without subsidising huge corporates who can absorb the energy costs more easily
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 2,643
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
    Hang on. The LD veto expired in 2015.
    Why haven't we fracked away since then?
    Boris put a moratorium on it.

    Sunak and Truss though have promised to resume fracking with local community support
    That will never happen as local communities will never give it support.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Meh. Everything is Fine



    "The iconic Shanghai skyline went dark on Monday. Offices are using large blocks of ice to stay cool due to power cuts. Why is China struggling to power its cities? A record-breaking drought has caused some rivers in China including parts of the Yangtze to dry up…"

    https://twitter.com/SortedEagle/status/1563970247329099776?s=20&t=ycU5zY5bnvXLQs9oZHwHXg

    There was a figure on here the other day showing that the Yangtze could produce roughly 6x the energy we use in our national grid. Our hydro, in comparison, is about 1-2% of what we use. China has a problem and it is going to burn millions of tonnes of more coal to cope with it. Which makes our efforts at reducing energy consumption look as much use as a Bournmouth centre back.
    So what? Do you want the country to maintain the soft power and moral authority to host COP events? Cos we got to keep on keeping on if we do

    Do you never vote because it never makes a difference?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 3,639
    nico679 said:

    Clearly something happened re Channel crossings as they seem to have rocketed since early 2021. Which just so happens to be when the transition period ended. It’s not all to do with Brexit but co-operation has fallen and the French might have not be so amenable to helping no 10 after the amount of anti EU bile which emanated from there .

    Other routes of entry became harder? Look at total illegal immigration state, not just one entry route
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 55,355
    edited August 2022
    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
    I very much doubt there will be any fracking
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
    Hang on. The LD veto expired in 2015.
    Why haven't we fracked away since then?
    Boris put a moratorium on it.

    Sunak and Truss though have promised to resume fracking with local community support
    That will never happen as local communities will never give it support.
    The same tory members who are frothing at the mouth with joy at the prospect of fracking will be the first to be signing a petition to stop it happening in the field at the end of their lane.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,357
    edited August 2022

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Fracking plus nuclear is vital to reduce our energy bills and help ensure no reliance on Russian gas. Renewables alone are not enough and fossil fuels are too linked to climate change
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 6,911
    edited August 2022
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
    Hang on. The LD veto expired in 2015.
    Why haven't we fracked away since then?
    Boris put a moratorium on it.

    Sunak and Truss though have promised to resume fracking with local community support
    The last four words mean a moratorium continues.
    Unless the local communities are promised a substantial share of the profit, .. perhaps.

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,604
    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
    I very much doubt there will be any franking
    It will be stamped on
    People will go postal if there’s any franking in their area.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    I ha
    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
    I very much doubt there will be any franking
    It will be stamped on
    I have corrected it !!
  • The Tories now want Labour to go into Government so they can be blamed! To bad you made the bed
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 3,639
    rcs1000 said:

    So:

    The internet / TikTok / etc is full of recipes for egg and cheese (and possibly bacon) sandwiches.

    Like this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTFjFayRjtw

    I made it for the first time yesterday, and it has been an enormous hit in the Smithson family. No mess. Delicious. Extremely unhealthy. What's not to like?


    Does something as processed as that “cheese” not break the trade descriptions act?
  • DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    just to triangulate, what was her prediction for computers beating Go/chess world champions? 5000 AD, or never?

    Did someone ask the machines to play Go/Chess, or did they start themselves..?

    Oh.
    I seem to remember the computer in Wargames suggesting a nice game of chess as an alternative to thermonuclear war.
    But he was telling WOPRs.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 2,930

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Like antiwokeness.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298
    geoffw said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
    Hang on. The LD veto expired in 2015.
    Why haven't we fracked away since then?
    Boris put a moratorium on it.

    Sunak and Truss though have promised to resume fracking with local community support
    The last four words mean a moratorium continues.
    Unless the local communities are promised a substantial share of the profit, .. perhaps.

    Do I get a backdated discount on the huge amount of onshore wind round here?
    Thought not.
    This is an emergency.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,880
    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Meh. Everything is Fine



    "The iconic Shanghai skyline went dark on Monday. Offices are using large blocks of ice to stay cool due to power cuts. Why is China struggling to power its cities? A record-breaking drought has caused some rivers in China including parts of the Yangtze to dry up…"

    https://twitter.com/SortedEagle/status/1563970247329099776?s=20&t=ycU5zY5bnvXLQs9oZHwHXg

    There was a figure on here the other day showing that the Yangtze could produce roughly 6x the energy we use in our national grid. Our hydro, in comparison, is about 1-2% of what we use. China has a problem and it is going to burn millions of tonnes of more coal to cope with it. Which makes our efforts at reducing energy consumption look as much use as a Bournmouth centre back.
    So what? Do you want the country to maintain the soft power and moral authority to host COP events? Cos we got to keep on keeping on if we do

    Do you never vote because it never makes a difference?
    I frankly do not care if we ever host another COP event. It was pointless. We look at this far too parochially. Cutting our energy consumption by having stuff made for us on the other side of the planet and shipped here really didn't help, it added to the problem. We need to focus our spend where it can do the most good for the entire planet, not futile gestures here.
  • HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Yep. I am hoping it should say something that there are a few of us on here who are in no way anti-hydrocarbons but who see fracking in the UK as a dead end. The economics and practicality just don't work. If you want to go that way then look at Underground Coal Gasification. Far more practical in the UK than fracking.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Fracking plus nuclear is vital to reduce our energy bills and help ensure no reliance on Russian gas. Renewables alone are not enough and fossil fuels are too linked to climate change
    Fracking is not going to happen
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298
    DougSeal said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
    I very much doubt there will be any franking
    It will be stamped on
    People will go postal if there’s any franking in their area.
    Except they are on strike.
    Yet another issue.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    I ha
    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
    I very much doubt there will be any franking
    It will be stamped on
    I have corrected it !!
    I knew I had to be quick 😃
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 20,506
    ...
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Fracking plus nuclear is vital to reduce our energy bills and help ensure no reliance on Russian gas. Renewables alone are not enough and fossil fuels are too linked to climate change
    Agreed. Any gas frackers produce is helpful. Lift the ban now.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,637
    This is like directly accessing the dreamland of the subconscious, via a laptop


  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,506
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Fracking plus nuclear is vital to reduce our energy bills and help ensure no reliance on Russian gas. Renewables alone are not enough and fossil fuels are too linked to climate change
    By the time that people stop talking about it, and start actually delivering it, we will probably control Russian gas in the post war aftermath of the total collapse of that country and there will be no need to not be reliant on it anyway.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Yep. I am hoping it should say something that there are a few of us on here who are in no way anti-hydrocarbons but who see fracking in the UK as a dead end. The economics and practicality just don't work. If you want to go that way then look at Underground Coal Gasification. Far more practical in the UK than fracking.
    Proven reserves for a start.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,448
    HYUFD said:

    DM_Andy said:

    When's the earliest we could have an election if Liz Truss announces one on 5th September? The Conservative Party need to lose that and then wash their hands of the problem as fast as possible, Return in 2024/25 after a mass revolt forces the new government to resign and resume being the natural party of government for at least the next generation.

    Truss has made clear she will not call a general election until 2024 in her hustings. She does not want to be the shortest serving PM in history
    So you think that she thinks she will lose if she calls an election this year?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,604
    dixiedean said:

    DougSeal said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that
    I very much doubt there will be any franking
    It will be stamped on
    People will go postal if there’s any franking in their area.
    Except they are on strike.

    Yet another issue.
    Oookaayyy then…
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 19,093
    edited August 2022
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Fracking plus nuclear is vital to reduce our energy bills and help ensure no reliance on Russian gas. Renewable alone are not enough and fossil fuels are too linked to climate change
    Why not wind turbines on land, solar farms, or Marquee Mark's tidal power schemes to make the shortfall.

    Fracking strikes me as a very environmentally bad and poor value idea. I'm not keen on mini nukes to be honest. What about an AD plant on every farm, a waste to energy plant in every LA (not a long term solution) a gasification plant on every lanfill and reopening all those mothballed coal fired power stations short term to burn waste wood?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 2,081
    Everything's just shyte isn't it?!

    See you all tomorrow goodnight 💙
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 14,025
    ping said:

    Right, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and make a prediction;

    We’re going to see real energy demand destruction across Europe, this winter.

    20%, perhaps.

    A mixture of industry and business shutting down, poor people going cold and the wealthy elderly only heating one room etc.

    Futures markets are right now, near their peak and will come down, gradually, as traders realise actual use is meaningfully falling.

    Indeed. The key is to reduce demand without completely destroying our industrial base and economy for what will be a temporary shock. Our feckless leaders appear not to give the slightest thought to the problem.

    Basically three messages:
    1. Things will be tough. Suddenly and unavoidably we are poorer.
    2. The vulnerable will be protected.
    3. Reduce your energy consumption to minimise your direct costs and help bring prices down
    The government should be relentlessly focused on these three things.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298
    Your reminder Parliament will rise on 22 September till October 17.
    Any questions left hanging will have to wait a month.
  • That TSE is in favour of the damage caused by lockdowns is no surprise. Whilst the first lockdown is understandable lockdowns post June or July 2020 when it was clear how fatal the disease really was probably represent the worst policy mistake since the failure of diplomacy leading to WW1.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 8,345

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Fracking plus nuclear is vital to reduce our energy bills and help ensure no reliance on Russian gas. Renewables alone are not enough and fossil fuels are too linked to climate change
    Hang on. You can't use fossil fuels being "too linked to climate change" as a reason to SUPPORT fracking. Do you think that the gas produced from fracking is some super special type of methane that defies normal chemical processes?
    He is too stupid to realise it is a hydrocarbon.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,357

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Fracking plus nuclear is vital to reduce our energy bills and help ensure no reliance on Russian gas. Renewables alone are not enough and fossil fuels are too linked to climate change
    Hang on. You can't use fossil fuels being "too linked to climate change" as a reason to SUPPORT fracking. Do you think that the gas produced from fracking is some super special type of methane that defies normal chemical processes?
    Natural gas can be up to 40% more carbon efficient than coal and oil.

    Obviously nuclear and renewable energy is least damaging to the climate of all but they alone are not going to slash our energy bills and help the UK move more towards energy self sufficiency
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I see the in thing for GOP candidates who have won their Primary is to scrub the "Abortion" section from their websites.

    https://twitter.com/sjdemas/status/1563918987045793794?t=E3Qsv8HIsMV1Y1SOwSgZQQ&s=19
  • Everything's just shyte isn't it?!

    See you all tomorrow goodnight 💙

    Good night as I also say good night
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298

    Everything's just shyte isn't it?!

    See you all tomorrow goodnight 💙

    Watford and Everton too. :)
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,506
    FF43 said:

    ping said:

    Right, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and make a prediction;

    We’re going to see real energy demand destruction across Europe, this winter.

    20%, perhaps.

    A mixture of industry and business shutting down, poor people going cold and the wealthy elderly only heating one room etc.

    Futures markets are right now, near their peak and will come down, gradually, as traders realise actual use is meaningfully falling.

    Indeed. The key is to reduce demand without completely destroying our industrial base and economy for what will be a temporary shock. Our feckless leaders appear not to give the slightest thought to the problem.

    Basically three messages:
    1. Things will be tough. Suddenly and unavoidably we are poorer.
    2. The vulnerable will be protected.
    3. Reduce your energy consumption to minimise your direct costs and help bring prices down
    The government should be relentlessly focused on these three things.
    I read something the other day that the Government doesn't even need to be that original. Just dust off all the files on the oil shock in the 70s.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,357
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Fracking plus nuclear is vital to reduce our energy bills and help ensure no reliance on Russian gas. Renewables alone are not enough and fossil fuels are too linked to climate change
    Hang on. You can't use fossil fuels being "too linked to climate change" as a reason to SUPPORT fracking. Do you think that the gas produced from fracking is some super special type of methane that defies normal chemical processes?
    He is too stupid to realise it is a hydrocarbon.
    And kjh bang on cue comes on with his daily rudeness and insults to me without adding anything positive to the discussion
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    edited August 2022
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Fracking plus nuclear is vital to reduce our energy bills and help ensure no reliance on Russian gas. Renewables alone are not enough and fossil fuels are too linked to climate change
    Hang on. You can't use fossil fuels being "too linked to climate change" as a reason to SUPPORT fracking. Do you think that the gas produced from fracking is some super special type of methane that defies normal chemical processes?
    Natural gas can be up to 40% more carbon efficient than coal and oil.

    Obviously nuclear and renewable energy is least damaging to the climate of all but they alone are not going to slash our energy bills and help the UK move more towards energy self sufficiency
    You're explaining hydrocarbons to @Richard_Tyndall? LOL

  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,448
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Fracking plus nuclear is vital to reduce our energy bills and help ensure no reliance on Russian gas. Renewables alone are not enough and fossil fuels are too linked to climate change
    Shale gas from fracking is a fossil fuel!
  • dixiedean said:

    Your reminder Parliament will rise on 22 September till October 17.
    Any questions left hanging will have to wait a month.

    The conferences should be cancelled and Parliament continues
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 19,093

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    When Boris returns shortly, perhaps he could lead a Government of National Unity, Conservatives and Brexit Party. Lord Farage could be his Deputy.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Fracking plus nuclear is vital to reduce our energy bills and help ensure no reliance on Russian gas. Renewables alone are not enough and fossil fuels are too linked to climate change
    Hang on. You can't use fossil fuels being "too linked to climate change" as a reason to SUPPORT fracking. Do you think that the gas produced from fracking is some super special type of methane that defies normal chemical processes?
    Natural gas can be up to 40% more carbon efficient than coal and oil.

    Obviously nuclear and renewable energy is least damaging to the climate of all but they alone are not going to slash our energy bills and help the UK move more towards energy self sufficiency
    Fracking is not in the equation
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,357
    FF43 said:

    ping said:

    Right, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and make a prediction;

    We’re going to see real energy demand destruction across Europe, this winter.

    20%, perhaps.

    A mixture of industry and business shutting down, poor people going cold and the wealthy elderly only heating one room etc.

    Futures markets are right now, near their peak and will come down, gradually, as traders realise actual use is meaningfully falling.

    Indeed. The key is to reduce demand without completely destroying our industrial base and economy for what will be a temporary shock. Our feckless leaders appear not to give the slightest thought to the problem.

    Basically three messages:
    1. Things will be tough. Suddenly and unavoidably we are poorer.
    2. The vulnerable will be protected.
    3. Reduce your energy consumption to minimise your direct costs and help bring prices down
    The government should be relentlessly focused on these three things.
    3 easier said than done when the temperature drops below zero in winter
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 20,506
    Foxy said:

    Yes, as the article points out this has remained government policy since, only without the lib Dem policies of mass insulation of homes and roll out of new renewable sources.

    Fracking is only ever supported by people not wanting it near them. Support fracking on your own constituency as an MP and pick up your P45.
    Before. Not now.

    As for renewable roll outs, BEIS's forecasts don't predict any decline in gas usage by 2035. We are nowhere with storage of electricity (is anyone?), so renewables don't take over from gas, they make it a permanent fixture.
  • HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Like antiwokeness.
    Or Rwanda. Or Just Don't Lockdown.

    They're all attractively simple and promise great rewards, if they work.

    They don't happen because they probably can't be made to work.

    Question is whether that is because of boring reality or a combination of weak government and internal sabotage.

    It's much more satisfying to think that there are untold riches under a feet that a green conspiracy is stopping us exploiting than that a combination of NIMBYism and geology mean that the game isn't worth the candle.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 19,093

    That TSE is in favour of the damage caused by lockdowns is no surprise. Whilst the first lockdown is understandable lockdowns post June or July 2020 when it was clear how fatal the disease really was probably represent the worst policy mistake since the failure of diplomacy leading to WW1.

    And there was me accusing Leon of dumbest post of the day. Sorry Leon.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,190

    dixiedean said:

    Your reminder Parliament will rise on 22 September till October 17.
    Any questions left hanging will have to wait a month.

    The conferences should be cancelled and Parliament continues
    At the very least the conferences could be done in parallel in some cut-down form, at the weekends etc. But Parliament should be sitting. That is critical.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 8,345
    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    pigeon said:

    Prediction: Starmer will face Johnson at GE 2024/5

    Please, somebody, make it stop.
    Unfortunately nobody is going to make it stop as the solutions are overwhelming and beyond our politicians of all parties

    This is the time for a cross party government but tribal politics will get in the way
    Agreed. Lab-LD coalition would be our best bet.
    Not if that means no new fracking as vetoed by the LDs reducing our potential energy supplies and hugely unaffordable subsidies from Starmer which give the rich as much as the poor instead of focusing on the latter.

    Sunak to be fair to him has the best plans on that

    Fracking in UK is such a total red herring. It's what right wingers grasp onto when they have no meaningful answers.


    Fracking plus nuclear is vital to reduce our energy bills and help ensure no reliance on Russian gas. Renewables alone are not enough and fossil fuels are too linked to climate change
    Hang on. You can't use fossil fuels being "too linked to climate change" as a reason to SUPPORT fracking. Do you think that the gas produced from fracking is some super special type of methane that defies normal chemical processes?
    He is too stupid to realise it is a hydrocarbon.
    And kjh bang on cue comes on with his daily rudeness and insults to me without adding anything positive to the discussion
    It is because as usual you have shown you are a complete idiot.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,506

    dixiedean said:

    Your reminder Parliament will rise on 22 September till October 17.
    Any questions left hanging will have to wait a month.

    The conferences should be cancelled and Parliament continues
    Conferences maybe to remove distractions for the Government, but not sure how Parliament being in session will actually help much - unless there are laws that need passing.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,423

    That TSE is in favour of the damage caused by lockdowns is no surprise. Whilst the first lockdown is understandable lockdowns post June or July 2020 when it was clear how fatal the disease really was probably represent the worst policy mistake since the failure of diplomacy leading to WW1.

    +1
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 2,643
    edited August 2022

    dixiedean said:

    Your reminder Parliament will rise on 22 September till October 17.
    Any questions left hanging will have to wait a month.

    The conferences should be cancelled and Parliament continues
    Agreed . It all looks very self-indulgent and to swan off for nearly 3 weeks after just coming back looks terrible given what’s happening re the cost of living and all the other problems which need addressing .
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,637
    This is my last, I promise. But Jesus F Christ United. This is brilliantly terrifying


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